How They Did It — True the Vote’s Catherine Engelbrecht and Gregg Phillips on The Charlie Kirk Show, April 8, 2022

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Hey everybody. Welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk show bombshell episode. With Catherine Engelbrecht and Greg Phillips from TrueTheVote.org. All your questions about the 2020 election from mules to ballot trafficking, we address it all. It's a pretty amazing episode. And I want you to support TrueTheVote.org because they've done the difficult work to make all this possible. Subscribe to the Charlie Kirk Show podcast. You guys listen to this at any time, and share this episode with your friends. Social media is going to try to suppress this. So share it on rumble, share it on Getter, share it on Parler, share it on Truth Social, share it on Twitter, they might ban you anyway. But it's fun. Share this episode, everybody, you're not gonna believe what you're gonna see. Buckle up. Here we go.

Hey, everybody, welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk show. With us today, our two old friends. We've known each other for about a decade (about right?) in the trenches and kind of just got back in contact for one of the most important things, I think, happening in the country. Greg Phillips and Catherine Engelbrecht from True the Vote, website truethevote.org. We're gonna keep on plugging it throughout. I would just want to preface this by saying this episode and this conversation is one of the most important projects I think that's going on right now in the country. And the way that both of you went about it, to how you looked at a massive problem: use technology, use data, took your time to actually be able to prove what happened the 2020 election, is nothing short of brilliant, truly. And we've talked about the upcoming movie "2000 Mules", but I really want to talk about what you guys are doing and have done through True the Vote. And so let's start with this. Catherine, introduce yourself. You've been in the voter integrity space for over a decade now.

Yes, yeah, over a decade. Started True the Vote in Houston, Texas in 2009. Yeah it has been a wild, wild ride ever since and started out very simply thinking that we just needed more volunteers to work at the polls. One thing led to the next, we kept peeling back layers. And now here we are, I think on the on the cusp of sharing some things with America that that they need to know. And it's been going on for an awfully long time.

Yeah. And I mean, I, I could say, when I first heard about what you guys were doing, Greg, you sent me a couple of messages, we chatted on the phone, and I was blown away by it, then we kind of lost touch, you know, lives get busy. And next thing I know I'm in this room with all the Salem guys. And you're both there. And we go through all this evidence. And I was just completely blown away. So Greg, introduce yourself, talk about your background, and then talk about how'd you all of a sudden get looking into the 2020 election.

Been around politics since 1982, a long time. Been doing election integrity work. I did my first deal in Bullitt County, Alabama in 1982, literally got a memory foam or was running against George Wallace in his last race for governor. There were 147% of the voting age population, both registered and voting in Bullitt County. So that was my intro to it. After all these years, and quite a few campaigns and some other things - Catherine and I founded a healthcare technology company together but sort of kept our side businesses going - Catherine with True the Vote, me with a kind of a research company, and as 2020 sort of came together and unfolded. I mean, the day since, the day after the election or the day of, to now it's just been an incredible whirlwind where we've, we've figured out how to take some high end technology capability and apply it to these elections and come up with not only hypotheses, but now proven hypotheses. And super excited about the outcomes. It's great.

So we're gonna go through this in great detail, but how you guys came about it, because this is this is gonna be the number one story in the conservative movement for the next six to eight weeks, and hopefully for months, and hopefully it's a reference point, but few people will be able to actually hear the deeper level of that which I really want to explore with you guys. So let's just start right there. 2020 happened. We change all our voting laws. Catherine, you've been warning for a decade that dirty voting rolls is a necessary prerequisite to all sorts of other shenanigans, even warning about it and the Republican establishment didn't take it seriously. The Democrat establishment took it very seriously because they didn't want to clean the voting rolls. $430 million of Zuckerberg money, everyone gets a ballot. And all of a sudden in the gut, so many American voters knew something was wrong. Theories floated everywhere, machines, you know, China hacking things, no one was really able to put stuff together. But what I found so interesting is how quiet both of you were right after the election. I said "They must be looking at something". Walk us through the hours, the days and the weeks that followed the 2020 election, and then how you got into, really, this voluminous evidence. What is nothing short of a criminal conspiracy.

Well, in the aftermath of the election, and as you rightly point out, there was a huge run up of things that just all serve to sort of expose this weak underbelly of election process and our processes is notoriously, notoriously insecure. But what we saw in 2020, as you point out, were all these legislative and unconstitutional fiat changes, changes by fiat, changes by a lawsuit. And you couple all of that with dirty voter rolls, and with the mass mail out of ballots, and then drop in the $400 million plus in private monies, which went to fund many things. But among that was the drop boxes. And we thought that was a recipe, that was a formula that we could potentially take apart bit by bit, and use technology to measure. And that's kind of where this started.

Catherine, we ran a hotline for during the election and like all hotlines, you know, you get all manner of stuff coming in. But there were a few sort of kernels of really interesting pieces. And what we began to put together in Philadelphia and Detroit and Wisconsin and Atlanta, and even here in Arizona, we began to put together this, this sort of pattern that that each of the challenges that everybody seemed to be most up in arms about had some basic pieces that were all the same. You had ballot collectors, people out knocking on doors getting

All across the country, there was this weird pattern. So like people in numeral racking the same in like Philadelphia,

Well, slight variations, because I'll give you a for instance, we one of our target cities or target areas was Wayne County in Detroit. Well, in Detroit, ballot harvesting was illegal. And then for two weeks legal, and then illegal again. So you had variations of the theme. But broadly, the theme stayed the same.

And the theme almost always was a set of collectors, a collection point, or a stash house for all the ballots, the bundling of those ballots, and then the casting of those ballots, by what we were calling mules, in the drop boxes. So it had each of those elements. And as we began to sort of put the pieces and parts together, it really did dawn on us. Well, this sounds just like what's happening in Atlanta or, or in San Luis, Arizona, or all these other pieces and parts that were coming together. And it was amazing once we finally started to unpack the true grift. And as you said, this is a conspiracy, right? This is organised crime conspiracy, an actual conspiracy. Yeah, you know, it's not about, you know, packets of information flying from Rome to the drop boxes, or satellite or whatever. It's not about that. So what we were able to do was develop a hypotheses or a set of hypotheses, that when when data was gathered, we have more than two petabytes of data. We have arguably more than any nation state level data, we have more than anyone might have in terms of data. We have video, we have our geolocation information. We have all sorts of document policy.

Really Sure. So you guys are a 501 C3, all about voter integrity. Republican Party's nowhere to be found. Republican establishment nowhere to be found, major media companies nowhere to be found, law enforcement nowhere to be found. So it's truethevote.org that's going out and getting into the weeds raising the money to actually go find out what happened.

Exactly...

Yes.

And so okay, if it's okay to interrupt, Greg, just the one thing that fascinates me at all, this is the cell phone data. Can you walk us through a little bit about that? And I'd love to contextualise that sure audience, all of our cell phones put off a set of signals. They're mostly hidden. So what's the code? In fact, if you look on your phone, if you type in star, pound, 06 pound? It's in everybody's phone.

06 pound pound. Okay.

Did the numbers come up? Like that? Nope. Start in your phone. Like you're gonna call I'm sorry. Okay. Yeah, I just like you're gonna call somebody

or pound 06 pound

like that. Oh, wow. Okay,

so all of those numbers are unique to your phone,

no matter what. So even if you Wow, that's amazing.

And, and those numbers then are emitted with.

That's it. That's it. And those are all tagged to apps on your phone.

So this is like a fingerprint. That's unique to you, Nan, it cannot be replicated. That's right. And so my this is my device ID this is all of this. Yeah. And so based on that information, what do we know? There's three

there's 300,000 or so apps collect that information. There's 27,000 apps that collected on a prolific basis. So by the Weather Channel app or any of your surveys Facebook

is, is that right?

It's emitting a signal. And inside the signal, there are several things. First of all, it's the lat long, like, where are we on the earth? Right? So my phone's iPhones right there. And it can drill down into about 18 inch and 18 and 18 inches of dynamic data, they'll

be able to see Greg, Charlie and Catherine are here at our studio having a chat. Yes, absolutely. At this time, right. So it's absolutely Latin long time

and and elevation on the first floor. Sir, we on the first floor, we on the second floor, where are we? And if you combine all of those, and then add time to it, we can then build the pattern of life around.

So I came from a different building, you guys came from a meeting, right? And then you can kind of just trace the pings. Right, right.

Yeah, I can tell you if that's the pattern you normally take. We can go back years, and get very, very exacting. And that's what that's what was necessary in this project. So

let's, let's take a step back. Some people say, Whoa, hold on a second. What do you guys have on people's phones or something? Like how is this legal?

The the signal, we all give permission to these apps to collect the signals when you first sign into the app? And you sign in? And you say, Yeah, I agree. You just agreed to give those signals to everyone.

So how does Greg and Catherine get the combined pings of a city? There? There

are some, there are data brokers out there that will when do when you define a time period and a jurisdiction that you want to buy, like we wanted to buy San Luis, Arizona, so we decided, okay, well, we're going to pull back a little bit and buy Yuma county. And so in going to buy Yuma County, it picks up all of those signals across that period of time. And you ended up with a bunch of terabytes worth of data, you mash it all together, build the patterns of life, draw the let's just say there was a, a drop box there in the middle of that table. We draw a circle, a polygon around the drop box. And every time my phone comes in or out of that Dropbox, that's a unique bit around that Dropbox, that would be a unique visit.

So has did law enforcement think to do this with the 2020 election when they came out? Crabs and bar no fraud or anything? Did they go look at cell phone pings and even just say, Wait a second, were there repeated visits.

And although we think they were really holding their powder dry for January 6, because this is exactly what they did on January 6, to all those people, they

were very familiar with the state at that. So they

so let me get this straight. They used paying cell phone reconnaissance technology to be able to find out the 1300 people that one took selfies

100% What's really interesting about this, it's not foreign to them. Okay, no, no,

this is this is this, this type of technology is used every day in, in law enforcement. But it's also, you know, aptly called marketing data, because it's how you get served up ads. Sure. So this is this is widely used. It's as uncomfortable as that may be, we're all being tracked.

What we actually think happened on the January 6 piece was, this is not simple, right? I mean, you have to aggregate the paintings, you have to buy the paintings, you have to disassemble them, order them, put them in some fashion, build the patterns of life. And this is not a simple task, right?

How complicated is it? Correct how many people how many hours looks? Like I mean, like build it out? It's not some guy mining Bitcoin in a basement

took 12 hours or 12 people 16 hours a day for 15 months?

is still going on what kind of supercomputer do you need access to to be able to process that?

It's funny, you would say that we actually do have access to a several very high powered computers. And we do most of the work in Plano, Texas and part of the work in the High Performance Computing centre on the campus of Starkville, Mississippi.

That's amazing. So for example, just some guy on the side of the street. He gets what two petabytes of data. How much is that? By the way?

Man, a petabyte you know, back in the day, I mean, you know, 25 years ago would have fit in your room. I mean, this would have fit in here, like a half an acre. Yeah. Or like a quarter of an acre it would have been giant. So I cut you off. So

talk about the January 6 thing. So this is a lot of work. And yeah,

so recall what happened so that the January 6 event was on a Tuesday,

the day after the runoff. There was a Wednesday I think, right Wednesday, right?

Yeah. So so the next day, they had allegedly already identified some of the people gotten the convened a grand jury convened a grand jury and then issued arrest warrants in a matter of 72 hours.

It's not possible. So

did they have the fence of the pings ready to go? Is that what you're saying?

They had the actual devices ready to go.

That's our supposition. We there's no other way to have done. We

believe they were tracking people all the way back into the latter part of the election, certainly into November and early December people that would be likely to go to that event, or is that Correct, yes. Okay, so

they had a profile meeting

that profile in there, tuned up and ready, but then probably

the night before, they'd be able to say, hey, 200,000 of our profiles are in town. Right? Right. So there'd be like, they're around. We weren't wrong. So so then what you guys did is you said, Okay, you can't you can't buy the pings for the whole planet. Right? You have budget. So you guys went privately and raised money? Is that right? Right, because this is expensive stuff. incredibly expensive. So how expensive? Is it? 2 million bucks? Yeah, a little over 2 million. That's expensive. But we're dealing with a Republican establishment that raises and spends $2 billion. Well, that sounds right, you know, worthless person in Congress to go pass some crud bill. So it's a lot, but it's not a lot. Right? Well,

I mean, considering, you know, considering what we felt like the result may be, which is a lot for you guys. It's a tremendous amount for us. But it's also it was a it was a total gamble. Because we were we were determined to let the data show what the data was going to show, we had it we had a working hypothesis, that if in fact, the weakness in the in the election was going to be around these drop boxes, that we should be able to geofence around the drop boxes and see aberrant data patterns. If that's true, then we're onto something. But if not, we just spent a whole lot of money on a bunch of data. That's not going to amount to anything.

But the other thing we added, wasn't at the last minute, but it was it was to sort of help us get our arms around the data. We had been receiving information from witnesses from like, erstwhile whistleblowers, people that had been involved people that knew somebody was involved. And we were able to identify those organisations, those stash houses. So not only were we able to look at the drop boxes, where the people were going in and out of the drop box, sometimes over 50 times in Philadelphia, we had some people, quite a few people that went over 100 times, to the drop boxes. But they were also going to the, to the organisations, these

was a hub and spoke model is what you started to see. Right? This was a hub, right? To use the analogy, Chicago O'Hare or whatever. That's where everything branched out from right

and multiple sub hubs. So in Atlanta, we had 10.

So I want to get into that in a second. But just so that our audience understand so you guys go you had an hypothesis based on a good amount of at the time, disconnected firsthand. You guys had a hotline like, well, hold on a second, someone just called us from Milwaukee with a nearly same story from Detroit, with nearly same story from Georgia, nearly same story in Phoenix and Tucson. And you guys think Wait a second. The only through line that we see here is the fact that Zuckerberg spent 430 million bucks, there were dropped, there were drop boxes, there were ballots everywhere. If I was a criminal, that's right. Wouldn't I try to manipulate and use that? So you said How will we ever be able to prove it right? In

fact, what I, the fateful moment that I just turned to you and said, How do we take down a cartel. And that's when we began to use the term stash houses and drop wheels and trafficking and voter abuse, because that's what we're looking at. I mean, it is, it is shocking and sickening. At the same time, when you talk to some of these folks, and you realise that this is this is just part of this is just part of the normal cycle. For the people that are participating in this, it's been going on for so long, it certainly had happened at a level never before seen in 2020 of everything was just, you know, catalysed for that race. But,

and the rest of the challenge we had was, it's one thing to be able to prove that my phone's on that table, it's a whole nother thing if that camera proves that I was sitting here, and we're

gonna get to that because I want to, I want to build that out. So then you guys buy the $2 million with the data. And you were open minded to be wrong, right? Like maybe these were just a bunch of people that were reading all the same internet blogs, got a little too excited.

Grandma walking by the by the dropbox with their dog or something?

Well, you really see you start to begin to, you know, all all life sort of follows the bell curve, right? So you start to think, Okay, well, what is out so outside the norm, what is so aberrant that it would just stick out like a sore thumb in terms of a dataset? So what would that look like? Would that be going to the Dropbox three times going to the four times, five times six times and we want it to be have such clear margins, such clear lines that we finally settled out two groups that were going in Georgia on average of 23 times. So distinctive, and as Greg points out, they also had to go to the NGOs. So they had to meet both those criteria for a certain number of times for us to really drill down and

study government organisation. So like a nonprofit. So like a Stacey Abrams group, for example, would potentially exam apply under the umbrella, right, so you guys get the data, you get a connection to a supercomputer in Starkville, Mississippi, Mississippi State. It's like college towns. Enough, right? Good. Cool. And, you know, you guys start to go to work 15 months, got a bunch of guys, you know, 16 hours a day, a lot of monster a lot of Mountain Dew. But then all of a sudden, you guys probably start to be like, Well hold on a second. So what was the moment in the 15 months? We just said we got something here.

Oh, that happened early that was probably in March or April of 2021. And, and we thought, You know what, we only need to develop this to a certain point, because certainly when we show this to the election officials or to law enforcement, they are going to jump into action. We don't have the resources, we can't offer immunity, we can't, you know, there's certain limitations. So certainly, if we lay this out, that will be all it takes. And we spent the following six, seven months, really being led on wild goose chases with with no action. And we learned a lot along the way. And I guess the most salient thing we learned is that we're gonna have to do it ourselves.

You wanted to trust law enforcement, law enforcement, corrupt to the core? Yeah, unfortunate. I still hope they act. I think there's some good people in there. But there's a lot of bad people at the top. Do you guys go through this process? And you start to see that almost identical ballot trafficking mule operations? I think that's your term, right? Ballot trafficking is that the right language in the cities were happening? So then you guys say, Okay, we got to aggregate this. We got to put this together all the while you're being sued by every organisation on the planet? Is that correct?

I see Abrams, Mark Elias the whole Yeah,

you got all the right, friends, enemies? Well, you got the right friends and the right. And so I want to play one of these videos here. And we can watch this together. And, Greg, which one would you like us to play is that is that Gwinnett? County, Georgia, let's play Gwinnett County. So actually, before we play the video, I wanted we let's get into actually how you got the video, because I'm actually cutting in line here.

Well, so in addition to all of the analysis that was happening, we were we were doing a wide sweep of all kinds of election integrity records or open records. Video was part of that. The federal government had come out and given guidance for all of these new drop boxes, saying that their recommendation is that in addition to a number of sort of checkpoints, video surveillance should be among them. And so we began to submit open records to get the video. And these videos are a product of ultimately what came back, although what's interesting about what you're going to watch now, is that we didn't get this until last month. Yeah, I mean, I mean, since I mean, the first open records requests went out in probably January, and we've been fighting for

by law in Georgia, they had to have a camera over the ballot drop boxes. By rule by rule.

Remember, they made up the they made up the emergency rules that allowed the drop boxes to be there at all. So they had to have rules to go with them. So when when Rafa's Berger came in and signed a consent decree with Mark Elias, to allow these things to happen, they had to codify some rules internally. So the rule said, you have to have these these spammers, surveillance cameras on the drop boxes. And we almost immediately started as soon as we started asking, they started well, we don't have it. We can't give you an example. Or reason why we don't have it, we just don't have that six months to get it. It'll be including the video you're about to see, they took a year to produce this video. And the only reason they produced it at all, is because Catherine enter the vote made a complaint to the Secretary of State, which would have been put in place a mechanism for them to get in a lot of trouble. Lo and behold, the next day, I think, all of a sudden the video

now this is Gwinnett County. So before we playing the video, though, you also suspected that that time place on the video would show you something because you had pings that showed that this individual was doing a route

that ran they had that. And in addition to our open records efforts, we had evaluated all of the chain of custody documents. And so you could tell at this particular location, what a what a typical day look like how many ballots they were getting the spike, and ballot trafficking by and large

laundering works. When you see the cafe that has the $9,000 breakfast, I'd wait a second. Yeah, any auditor worth like, Why? Why did you have a big, you know, there was no one in the restaurant. Right, right.

There's also no one looking though, Charlie, there's no one looking like produce these documents. They didn't care.

I just I want to make a side point here. And I want to ask question, is it true that our elections are generally unsupervised by law enforcement? It sure seems that way.

We have our own opinions about that. It seems to me that whether it's law enforcement or anyone responsible for a process that might deliver a free fair and legal election, it's just not happening. So whether it's a supervisor of the process, or law enforcement in general, they, they need to do that. And what we've since learned is that there were off duty law enforcement officers that were paid, paid for by the Republican Party, that that reported all of this and it was covered up who

they report it to the NRSC the National Republican Senatorial Committee, yeah. Okay, let's watch this video here. This is Gwinnett County. Is that right? Yes. Okay. And we can talk over the videos it's happening because it's no sound okay, so White SUV pulls up middle of the day, what are we looking at here,

guys, you're gonna see a, a voter get out or a meal get out.

So this is a meal. This is one of your 2000 that you've profiled,

and, and they've got their ballots and they walk up to the box like you can only fit a couple of ballots in at the same just

as the state of Georgia. Yeah, so you're not allowed to turn in more than one of our close relatives.

And he's trying to figure out how to even get them into the box because he has so many can't fit them in the little little slot. So then he starts having to put them in one by one, everybody's sitting there waiting on him.

Now this is illegal, highly illegal to do this.

Everyone passed that that first one was illegal.

Well, there is a possible in that he could have been an assist or which would have meant he would have had a signed envelope that would have indicated that he was an assist or in that capacity. But through our open records, we confirmed that Gwinnett County had noticed the stores. Okay, so we tried to kick over every every that

would have been the Washington Post. Oh, sister, we looked out.

So here's what here's what we know in Gwinnett. County on October the 11th, from 730 in the morning to October 12. And Monday morning at 730 or so when they picked up the ballots. Because of the pings, we knew that approximately 270 People went to this ballot box. But according to the key to the chain of custody custody document 19 162 ballots were actually deposited. Then all of a sudden, the video shows up. And now we get to go in and corroborate it. So we sit there and we watch 24 hours of video. Sure enough 271 people approach that ballot box. And like I said, 19 162 ballots show up on

but if you watch the video, did you see people carrying more than sure, but not 1900? Where would the discrepancy in that be then we don't know.

There's so many breakdowns process tell you that story?

Well, there is a video at the end that might tell part of it. At the end of this day, there's an interesting intersection between there, there are two people that are charged with going and taking the ballots out of the ballot box and putting them into bags. And then taking them wherever they're going. Those are the ones who fill out the Janie custody docs. But on this particular day, on this Monday morning, another person comes out from behind underneath the camera walks toward the two that are there. And instead of having it in a having the ballots in a blue rolling blue cooler, which was what kind of their norm they put had 19 162 ballots in two black duffel bags. The person whom we don't know who it is, comes up, takes the two black duffel bags and walks away

and gives them a cooler but who's supervising

the Secretary State of Georgia, I guess is supposed to be right. Well,

one thing we often laughed about was, you know, just unpacking these videos was a challenge in and of itself. And one thing we often laughed about was that it was clear to us nobody was ever intended to look at these videos.

You know, not to make this even worse, but but for all the heat that reference burger is received. He actually has been helpful to us in this way. All of the politicians, all the media, everyone were saying you have to go to the governor's office, you have to go to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation. And we had our own dust up with them, which is a whole nother topic. But once we finally learned and Roethlisberger, his team helped us figure out the process is you have to make a complaint to the Secretary State. Secretary of State investigates it takes it to the state board of elections. They take it to the Attorney General and then back again. That's the way it's supposed to work. But no one told us that so for 11 months, we laboured under the this illusion that everybody was saying you got to go to the governor, you got to go to the

and they and and that arm allowed that time to run out

right. So then I want to play another video here. But you've got all these cell phone pings, you start to see these, these mule operations, you're starting to see the video. And then you can't help yourself but start running numbers and you're thinking yourself wait a second. This is not just like a one off thing. This is not some kind of Democrat activist that really wanted Trump gone that, you know, might have had a couple friends do this. This was a machines that Right?

Absolutely. And you could see different characteristics among the different groups of mules, you had certain groups of mules that tended to take pictures of the drop box after they dropped their ballots. That's what sort of one style then you saw another style where people always wear gloves, and or they or they as they would come up with their stack full of ballots. They would pull their shirt down over their hand

put the ballots in and you saw multiple people with the same behaviour. Absolutely.

Absolutely.

Okay, let's play this video. Okay to play right here. Alright, let's play this video and let's watch it together. So is this also looks like it's the same Dropbox? Same Gwinnett County, right? Yeah,

this happens. One of the interesting points about that is this particular Dropbox. The reason we pick these is because it is very clear.

Some of them are fuzzy, right. Some of them, some of them are. So what time is this one? It looks like at night. Is that right

to see it in the time on the bottom? Yeah, I think it's the same basic thing.

He's got multiple ones, right? Yes. And he's one of our meals too, though. He's a meal. No gloves? Putting them in? Okay, that's at least 10. Absolutely. So it's illegal to do this. Yes. Right. Now, this is the same location where someone else also pulled up with the white Ford Explorer. Same day,

this is one box on one day, same day, same day. Okay. So

let me ask the obvious question where, you know, a sceptic would say hold on a second. Okay. Where did they get the ballots from? And who's to say they're just for the Democrats? I mean, come on, Republicans are terrible people, wouldn't they be the ones doing this?

Well, we'll never know. We do have secret ballots here, number one. Number two, the where the ballots actually came from, when they decided to, to sign this consent decree that that pushed raffles burger to send out ballot applications to both active and inactive voters. That's where the funds came in. Right. So like, I used to live in Georgia. And when I left, my name remained on the rolls for a while. So if I haven't voted for 567 years, and all of a sudden there's a ballot application that shows up these guys go get it, fill it out, get a ballot application in my name. I don't I live in Texas. Now. I would I know. Right.

Now, Katherine, you said this is where the tainted voter rolls came in. Right?

Right. And interestingly, in Georgia, while we were doing this project, we had also assisted with finding volunteers in all counties across Georgia to file a historic number of electoral challenges. So 362 364,360 4000 Electric challenges because the roles hadn't been cleaned in two years. And so we knew that you're gonna get the mail in ballots. There's no way of tracking these loosely. So we filed these electro challenges. To illustrate just one way that that those bad rolls can creep into this process. We now know that ineligible voter records contributed to 75,000 of the votes in the general and 45,000 of the votes in the runoff. That would have changed, it's

important to remember that the runoff would have only been one race, Leffler versus Warnock because had been the they'd only been three or 4000 Vote differential that prevented the runoff it was right on the cusp. So this is high stakes stuff. So to kind of drill down the point, though, ballots went everywhere, 248,000 ballots in 2018. And then we went to 1.2 million that we're just talking about Georgia, right, Georgia is a good case, take case study for this, but that you have that kind of increase of ballots, basically, your hypothesis proven by the cell phone pings in a video is that the ballots were everywhere. And then therefore, someone went on an operation to go scoop up the ballots, collect ballots, pay for ballots, and then redistribute those ballots through a ballot laundering scheme is that hypothesis, absolutely.

But the way that the ballots were collected becomes sort of this multi tentacles Hydra that we have, we have pings that show people going to UPS stores at midnight, and then going straight from there, to the to the nonprofit organisations. We have stories from around the country of people that live in underprivileged housing communities, and it's just sort of pay for play there. That's one of the things that

you didn't own and Frack lore of. That's right section eight house,

but it's but it's proven to be true. It's proving to be true. And so, you know, there's all manner of ways that those ballots came. But I think the important takeaway is that dirty voter rolls allow for a big portion of this. And then just the lack of general awareness in the in the populace that this is illegal. It's this is not this is not business. I want

to replay one of these videos, Greg, just I want to just reinforce a point for myself personally, for everyone watching, which is you're seeing a felony take place in real time. That's right. And so for better knowledge, has this person been arrested? No. Has this person been? You know, ask questions. You don't know that part and there might be an active investigation? Probably not.

Secretary refaced Berger, shortly after Katherine Steen filed the complaint Secretary RAFs Berger, went on on Fox I think or somewhere in said that. Yes. We believe this is credible evidence for an investigation and we believe they are looking into

it but the investigation is fine. That was in November. You guys filed a complaint, right? We're now five month four or five Months later, it's we got we got the murder, the video the murder, right? That's a crime, right? You can't do that unless you're in a store. Right, which you say there were none for that particular area of county, then that person why is that person not yet been indicted? These are the questions you guys are gonna get a lot, by the way. Oh, yeah,

sure. Well, we certainly hope that that will happen. The reality is that, that there are I think we have 4 million minutes of surveillance video. 4 million minutes and it takes a while to go through it number one, because the government isn't doing it. Now. The the, the, the setup of the surveillance video is such that it has to be attached to the player that is unique to that particular camera. And so actually getting it out so that you could even look at it those are mp4 is but just getting it to the mp4 point incredible accomplish. It's just, it's ridiculous. You know, John, David and some of the other people on our team have just spent I mean, hundreds and hundreds 1000s of hours poring through this video. And it can be tedious and you know, the idea that maybe there's a government person somewhere doing that Not

gonna happen? Not gonna happen? No. So, but they did do it probably for January 6, or something similar to that. Right. So they did it quick. Yeah. And they did it really quickly. It's really, really makes you think, right? So this, this starts, this, this pattern happens. So goes up to election day. And this is where I really want to get people fired up. Because so Election Day happens. We are warning against the mail in balloting. Arizona, Arizona, Arizona, Georgia, Philadelphia, mostly Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan. Let's take pause, how many mules how many ballots just up into the first election, then I want to talk about the runoff. Because I think that's a really interesting wrinkle on this to Well, go ahead how many meals how many ballots I mean, come on, that's gonna be the counter argument.

2000 plus meals, it's the 2000 meal movie.

And the number that sort of held true across all the states about 7% of their volume of mail in ballots.

So I'm going to ask an obvious question that I wanted to ask later. But I have to ask now, who's running this? Who's the one that's what's your suspicion? There's got to be some money. There's got to be something behind this. Right?

We we are hyper our current hypothesis, and we still have some work to do on this point. And Catherine describes think, aptly that they're sort of new money kind of folks like the Stacey Abrams of the world, who all of a sudden show up in Maricopa County after the election, you know, arm and arm with the SEIU and others, then thanking her for helping the state. Well, how did you help win? Right? That would be one question. A second piece of this is there's there's old money ties to this into some foundations that started in Chicago back back some years ago,

in the 60s. So there's, there's two, there's sort of, in our observation, there's sort of two levels of play here. But they work very handily together and you have to remember, you don't need a whole lot of broad use needed in the right places. And so when you have an organised effort, it can be and so much chaos, so much confusion inserted intentionally into the process, it it. It's not a hard leap.

We internally call it the 1000 front war, because it's everywhere. It's a little bit here a little bit in St. Louis,

but you're saying that there's a foundation of 501 C three that was potentially funding some of this activity? Yes. Many that would be illegal, that would be illegal. Okay, let's go to another video here. This one here is okay the player Okay, so what are we looking at here as we pull this up? Same basic thing.

It looks like the same Dropbox everybody look, all those people doing the right thing while they're waiting to wait? In line? Right, right.

So this is a maroon dress woman or is this somebody else? Yeah, no, that's is that your meal? So this is a mule in front of everyone. Okay, look, everybody's sitting there watching like what so this is right now as she opens it up, up, can't figure out open up because they won't fit right felony. At what point after the first year. Now it's a felony. So this is a felon, three felons at one Dropbox everybody want you to think about that? One after the other in broad daylight. I mean, now, you could also get driver's licence plate info and stuff, right? Yes. So she in broad daylight while everyone else was watching just violated Georgia law. Right. So let me ask us a really dumb question. You know, Raffensperger camp, all these people? Why didn't they have someone just parked right next to the Dropbox? Now you don't want to get put in one. That would have been a pretty simple way to fix this. I mean, that's just top you know, that's a simple way to do

but well, my view of that would be why the hell do you have the drop boxes anyway, all you gotta do is stand in line with everybody else

go with the Republican Party here right there, the Vichy French so but so that's those are three felonies we just saw on camera.

And we have 4 million minutes worth of video.

So what state was the worst offender? Pennsylvania Philadelphia is that worst proportionally or just worst in every way? Everywhere? Every, every census I mean, why

11 155 people met our criteria criteria of 10 or more drop boxes and five or more organisations

1155

in Philadelphia, well, let's pretend

half you're off by half. That would be insane. 600 would be right.

What's even more insane is watching the data watching the pings come across the bridge in New Jersey. And then to Philly.

across state lines. Sure, yeah. They did that against Kyle Rittenhouse. It's like jail for you know, even suggesting it so. So the Philadelphia was the worst 23 ballots on average per mule, is that right? It varies

state to state. But we always tried to again to to meet our criteria, it had to be 23 or more. I mean, in in Yuma County, the number was 31. Just because we had to get to this dataset of number of drop boxes and number of organisations so that we could study the sample set. And we're

not in any way saying this is all there is no this is just this week, cut it off here because running these cycles, you have two petabytes of data. It takes a lot of processing power. So you got to skinny it down somehow. And we just sort of arbitrarily said, Okay, well, we'll stop at 10. Yeah, we could we could do what about all the nines and the sevens and the sixes, right?

Or people that didn't use drop boxes? And they went to mailboxes. We didn't measure that. It was too big.

Was this is the ice? Was it enough? To swing an election? Yes, yes. Walk us through the numbers.

Well, Dinesh and in the movie, they do a really good job of this. And they do it in to to sort of have two separate ways. You want to kind of get into that. Do you want to wait for the movie to kind of roll? Well, I

mean, I think that the the takeaway is, I think when you when we look at what we know to be true in all the states, the number of organisations, the number of mules, everything in combination, what we what we've gotten in testimony from how much people were being paid and so forth. The number breaks out to about 7% of the mail in ballots, and that holds state to state now you're going to have some states that have less, but some states that are over performers in that same way. And if you look at that, just as a quick sort of back of the napkin, it's 4.8 million votes

nationwide. 4.8 million votes just in our target states,

just from what we know.

Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, right. That many votes were trafficked, or is that correct? Yes. That's that's a serious. That's a serious operation.

Yeah. Well, I mean, it's everywhere. It's everywhere. Every one of these communities that's receiving money from these foundations that are doing this, they're all doing it. They're all doing it. It's slightly different grift. But it's all the same

thing. And Who's stopping them? I mean, this is it. The one word I think that characterises best. 2020 is lawless.

I'll give you I'll give an example. Tomorrow, this is hot off the press. We learned this while we were at lunch before we came here to see you today. We have the file that those videos came from came on a big disk. And in that disk it it looked to us like there were several sort of blank, just just empty folder files. But we couldn't open them it felt. I mean, we just didn't really feel fiddled with it because we were interested to get to that. What we learned was in kind of backing into this disk, is that was the camera from the 14 cameras inside the counting facilities at Gwinnett. County. From inside, so we have the outside. But now we have what was happening inside. We don't know yet. Just has found them just correct. Just that's a whole different

part of it. Right? That's the counting of it is a whole different layer. That's right. So I went out. I want to now get to part two with Georgia. Yes. Right. Which I think is interesting. And I don't know if this is gonna get as much attention because everyone's focused on Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, and that's great. We love Trump, and this was, you know, this was stolen from him, but also the Republican Senate. It's a big deal. We're about to get another Supreme Court justice. Right. A lot of this nonsense is being pushed forward. And it went through Georgia, with John Aasif, and with Raphael, Warnock and Kelly Leffler and David Perdue. So we I mentioned briefly that if it wasn't for this ballot trafficking operation, it's easy to say David Perdue would have avoided a runoff. Absolutely. But there was a runoff. And so there was a whole there was a month two months of November in December. What's happening in those two months.

Well interesting as it relates to the pings. One of the things that we did in our by Katherine suggestion was let's by September Front, before it started, let's buy October while they were voting. But let's buy November when nothing should have been happening at the ballot boxes. And then let's buy December what a great control variable. That's right. Because the patterns you see it do exactly.

Right. So they weren't going to drop boxes in November until ballots got sent out nearly exact

and then you'll find this interesting two of the mules here in Arizona made their way to Georgia.

Oh, come on. Yes.

Things don't lie.

Okay, so let's talk about Georgia. So how many people were also were they it was an almost an identical carbon copy from October to December, they use the same people

or the I think the 8020 rule kind of held, you had your top performers that played in both, and then you had new people. But, you

know, I was just gonna say we've recently come into some additional information that shows that we show some of the people that participated in the runoff participated in the general, but we went all the way back to 2018 with some information and found that they did the exact same thing in 2018. And they

might have done it in 2012 and 2008, or whatever. So let me ask you to give me a profile what a mule is, who is this person? Teacher, plumber, criminal, former con, I'm asking you to stereotype this important people gonna say come on, I don't believe it that anyone would actually do.

It's a mixed bag. We had, we had some incidents where this place in Atlanta called the bluff. It's one of the heaviest I guess heroin trafficking places in the United States is very dangerous, one of the top five most dangerous places in the United States. And

it was like a park or is it a building? Yeah, it's

a part. It's like, it's like a it's like a four square block area. Okay, so it's like a neighbourhood sort of, except it's

just like a crack neighbourhood like that. Think of

think of a four square block neighbourhood where everyone and all of their friends were all on heroin in the street. And it was wild. And so we went down and interviewed a couple people down there and had some interesting intersections with some folks. Me and a couple of my guys. We went to that same night, actually, we went to a place called 201. Washington Street, which is an advocacy centre attached to a church right across the street from the Capitol. Is it black area, it's just downtown Atlanta. So it's, I mean, I guess mostly black, I really don't know. And so what we wanted to do then, though, was we wanted to go from 201, Washington Street, to Auburn Avenue library, which is about nine, a nine minute walk away, according to our pings, because we had people going from Auburn Avenue,

to 201 to two when the libraries were the dropbox was

right, and then back again, and then to the Fulton County government Centre, which was another five minutes the other way. So we went up there in the middle of the night, just like they were doing and just walked it. And sure enough, nine minutes, and then five minutes the other way. It's crazy. So I mean, there's a lot of that going on. But there's also people that came in, there's a bartender who came in from South Carolina to help. As Kathryn said, there was a couple of unindicted

obvious Yeah, but you know who they are.

Yeah. And then in Arizona, the profile looked a little bit different because it's been happening. It's been happening in Arizona for an awfully long time. And what we see there are people that really control communities. And you have people that are a top of the pyramid that are coming in and doing everything from building underprivileged housing to controlling the full vertical of the contractors and the banks and the financing organisations. And all of those people are participating in rounding up ballots. And we have, as people that go to see, the movie will soon learn. We have informants who have come forward to describe exactly what happens. And it's, it's just a day in the life. It's just what you do in those communities. Collectors

in these meals are making between 10 and 40 bucks a ballot here in Arizona, according to the to the testimony that we have. And a lot of money, Tally all that up. Somebody's making some some back.

And one of the most chilling things, I think, in this entire journey for me has been when we interviewed two people who were very familiar with the grift here in Arizona, one of them just from observation. And she just at one point, just sat back in her chair and just put her finger up. She said round and round it goes. Nobody ever listens, nothing ever changes. And so we hope to, you know, we hope to help push this over the edge in a way that people can wake up and realise what's happening to our elections.

Here's here's a tape here of Brian Kemp, this ad is on television in Georgia, because he said there were no problems. He said everything was great. And I want to play this tape here. Brian Kemp is now getting a challenge from someone who should stability the US Senator David Perdue just played the is here, listen to it. I led the fight to aggressively investigate all allegations of voter fraud. So let me pause it. Did he Did he lead a fight to aggressively investigate voter fraud?

He led a fight all right.

Yeah, I briefed Kemp's team. I personally bring brief Kim's team but

they wouldn't be bothered by well, they know felonies on camera. They not only refused,

but what they did was they sent one of their henchmen, the guy that runs the GBI, down to the FBI office where our data lives, not to see the data, but to get into the metadata and figure out who the analysts were and then burn me and a couple of my annual releasing it all in the AJC

releasing it all to the press, as opposed to just thinking through what we have now. They did everything they could to stop us

wonder why. Yeah, well, the truth

is kept dismissed concerns about voter fraud and the 2020 election as governor, you could call for a special assembly. You have not done that. Cap refused to call a special session before the runoff and the widespread illegal ballot harvesting continued electing two Democrat senators. It can't can't be voter fraud, he won't beat Stacey Abrams, get Georgia right is responsible for the content of this advertising guys,

that last video there, which I know is also in the movie. So what were we seeing in this video guys,

this is this is uh, this is this is a little bit. And she's, this is in Fulton County, she's approaching the box. And,

and this is a runoff was on January 5 at about one in the morning. This is on webinar and votes are actually one way most of our meals apparently.

And she approached it as you see her walk up to the box, she never looks at the trash can to her left. And that's relevant because she goes up, she puts the ballots in the box, and then turns around, starts taking off her gloves and puts them in a trash can that she'd ever looked at. Meaning she knew the trashcan was

and she didn't want fingerprints on the ballot because it's significant.

Because in Arizona several days before this, in San Luis, there were some indictments brought, and part of the indictment was brought because they were able to lift fingerprints from the ballots.

So she comes in with latex gloves, comes there and drops them off. How many of your videos show mules taking pictures of the ballots? 100,000? What's the significance of that?

We we understand that that's how they got paid.

Because criminals don't trust criminals.

They were taking pictures of of how many. In fact, in some of our videos, when people forget to do that, if they're part of the group that was supposed to take those pictures. If they forget, you can just see them just their whole countenance changes in those trudge back to the Dropbox and reluctantly take pictures because they've already dropped the ballot. So now they've just got to imagine

there's a lot of photos on some picture on some cameras somewhere that can be used as evidence, but law enforcement won't be bothered by this. Let me ask you a question here, which is, we suspected who's behind this, the criminal conspiracy, you know, all these sorts of things that are happening, whistleblowers are starting to come out, you know, we're starting to see more and more energy, you know, into this entire deal. This, this is the stuff where people just lose faith in their whole system. Right? So what what can be done to restore integrity here?

First thing is, I mean, wake up America, it's happening. And if we don't stop it as Americans, if we don't say we demand clean voter rolls, and we demand accountability around process, then this slide will continue. But if we stand up and get engaged, most Americans want to do the right thing. Our process has just been allowed to erode to a place that, that the inconsistencies and the insecurities and the inaccuracies, they function as a feature, not a bug. It's intended to keep this way. We're the only industrialised country in the world that doesn't have a standard form of photo voter identification.

I was in Ukraine two weeks ago and was inquiring with some of the people there about your Tell me about your voting. And they're like, We have to show up on election day. I have to have show an ID. And so So I mean, they do it in Ukraine. They do it in Romania,

send in our you know, our military to protect the election where they do retinal scans

can't make this up, right. And these, these people in Gwinnett County, Georgia are just subverting the process in front of, you know, 100 of their fellow voters.

But But this type of work and Trudeau has been doing this for 12 years, I mean it saying these things out loud leaves marks, you know, this is this is not a popular thing to reveal. This is high stakes. This is this is the kind of stuff that you say it too loudly and you know, a lot of people that aren't super friendly, want to push back so you got to you know Why do you?

Why are Why are conservatives Republicans so afraid of this issue?

Oh, I think they don't want to be called the names. They don't want to be called right that just, you know, a good answer. Yeah. And I think it takes so much to pull. So many layers have to be pulled back. It's such it's such a daunting task. It's just easier to kick the can down the road, particularly, you know, when you're talking to someone who's elected, I mean, process work for them. Right. So why should they worry about what happens downstream, it's great to save a rattle and great for fundraising. But the practical matter around getting this process cleaned up is something that most most most folks just don't want to deal with.

I think there's some fundamental things Catherine has long said there's sort of four pillars here we need to think about. And that's a mark Elias phrase, by the way that he uses pretty often, but let me just give it from, from our from our tank view. We gotta get the voter rolls clean. You have to you can't get the voter rolls clean, then then, you know, few other things we do the Republican establishment doing that? No, they here's their version of it, let's just sue them. And then they'll do a, you know, they'll say, Okay, we'll do it. We'll do it. And then they don't do it. Two

years goes by and by that time the population is

because they're raising hundreds of millions of dollars and trying to do that. Do you think those donors are being misled?

I just don't think that they're telling them the whole truth. The fact is, it doesn't work. It takes it's hard, right? This is an easy Katherine's created, or we've created an app with her IV three.us, that allows an everyday citizen to go in and chat, sit, sit at their kitchen table or watching television or whatever. And, and we help them through the process of challenging voters in their jurisdiction or in their account

or challenging their records. This is an important distinction because the record, it's a process to get people to be removed from the voter rolls. It's not a just a one and done, you've got to and you've got to be able to clearly state in your filings with your county what's going on with the with the record that you're questioning. So that's what we've tried to tee up. But this notion that we're going to pour hundreds of millions of dollars into lawsuits and get this done. As a practical matter. I mean, the left is game for that. That's law fair. That's attorneys making, you know, making bank and very little functionally happening.

Second thing we have to do is we have to stop this this, you know, mail in or just, you know, all mail applications and ballots, you just can't do it. Right. I mean, it's there's no way to control it. We certainly don't have the mechanisms here in the United States to do it when we have to stop. The third piece of this, I think is getting rid of these drop boxes. These drop boxes are Trainwreck, can

I ask you so Zuckerberg funds them? Yeah. Are they going to be around for the midterms? Few states? Yes. Where some states know what states are they're gonna happen.

I'm not I'm not aware of any state that's pulled them entirely. Now there was it hasn't stayed right now in the courts. But even in Georgia, they said we're just going to move them inside. Oh, so Georgia still has Dropbox. They're just inside the bill. We can't see him.

Maybe he does. Yeah, really got something on them. But when it's a Republican state still have dropped boxes after all of this right,

you're gonna start seeing more and more of what's happening in Jackson, Mississippi, right now there's a state auditor in Jackson, same shad white. And he went out and audited some of these officials that were doling out this Zuckerberg money. And there's been four arrests in Jackson already with this. So for them stealing the money, and I think you're gonna see the state auditors and others all over the country now start to say, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute, where did all this money go? Like I used to, I used to be in government. And I can tell you, it's hard to spend money fast in government, right? I mean, you got you got some hoops to go through, you've got to do things. And so the very idea that they were just going to get for under a million dollars, and then spit it all back out, and everything was gonna be okay.

Come on. So let me just ask you, how critical was the Zuckerberg money to all of this?

Oh, it was it was a huge catalyst. Huge.

cupboard doesn't do that. And let's say no one did it. Do you think most of this would have happened? I know it's a hypothetical. But it's an important hypothet. I

think I think when combined with the first two, right, you take dirty voter rolls, you mail everyone an application, whether they asked for it or not, whether they're even on the legitimately on the rolls or not. And then you provide a means to stuff them in there. Which brings us to the fourth point, right. The fourth point is if you don't have some sort of a punishment for this stuff, and a follow through on that fits your crime. Right and put some people in jail. You put somebody in jail for 10 years for this.

You'll we're starting to see some whispers here. I want to read some headlines are here. Which is to individuals accused of ballot harvesting and Yuma county. Seems like there's an attorney general Mark Brnovich announced the state journalist jury this back into December, I'm hearing through the grapevine maybe there might be more happening in Yuma, I don't want to speak out of turn. But that's just kind of what I'm hearing from the kind of whispering community in Arizona.

We think so too. Okay, we think there'll be more. One of the interesting things about Yuma county. And San Luis, in particular, is some of these kind of that old money that we talked about earlier. There's some some money that flows into some of these poor border communities and other poor communities around the country. That is less about electing a president in with these, these harvesting techniques, and more about electing themselves so they can stay in control over all the billions that are flowing in. And it's, it's legit and real. And we believe that here in Arizona, that your attorney general, and others are tuned in enough to what's going on down there, that we're gonna see some action.

So let's talk more about citizen empowerment to close out here. So this is all ongoing, there's going to be a lot of attacks against you guys a lot there. So what can people do, and then I want you guys to just totally, you have my permission, tell the audience how you can get support, and help, because you need it, and you're gonna need it. Because, you know, the Republican establishment, they won't be bothered by this, they'd rather lose admirably Vichy French, you know, most of these big DC organisations establishment, they're fine sitting on their endowments. You guys are in the trenches, you're the one that raised the 2 million bucks, you're the one that's connected a supercomputer. Right? So answer that first. And then the citizen empowerment. So

what people can do to help I mean, go to tree the boat.org and support us. I mean, this is, you guys. This is this is this is not for the faint of heart. I mean, we are playing at a at a level beyond to get to this kind of data. And you are exactly right. The attacks are going to come in, they're going to come hard. And that was part of the calculus that we signed up for. We know

I got to ask you, why are you doing this? Because you could just not do it.

Well, can you though?

I'm unemployed people do Brian.

Well, yeah, I guess that's true. I can't I can't be complicit in this. I'm you know, I've uh, I've long said If elections aren't truly fair, we are not truly free. And that's it.

And Charlie, the other thing that we need money for is, this movie is going to be huge. We believe 1000

meals it's going to you guys are the protagonists in the film.

We we brought it to Dinesh because the news the news stations wouldn't run it.

I think I was smart to do but what we're planning on after that. Remember, we have two petabytes of information. We have we have cell phone pings, we have video we have all manner of documents. We have all sorts of things. Catherine, I have long talked about this. And our intention at this point is at some point shortly after the video runs, we're going to pull the ripcord we're going to release all of this totally

transparent all of it give it all to the American people so like

WikiLeaks style but but legal and say do with it what you will

right now you can see what nobody's showing you to this point

you can see the movie is the is the kind of the build up. And then you're gonna get discredited, isolated incident. You know, Dinesh was a felon pardoned by Trump all that crap they're going to try to do right and you'll say you want to dance. Let's do a go. Let's go. We're right. So true. The vote.org True, the vote.org is how everyone should make a contribution we are our show is going to contribute. So it's turning point USA, it's the least we can do. We did a little bit from turning point action in the midst of all this

nonsense on my way down to San Luis, Arizona for the initial interviews. You and I talked and you sent us some money.

We wired you some money we did a little bit we're going to do some more. What can regular everyday people do they feel so helpless?

Well, first, don't feel helpless. Okay, we're not victims, because victims don't have a choice. We have a choice. This is happening on our watch. So we can choose to remain complicit and to watch this and to watch the movie, go pop a bag of popcorn and sit back and say, Wow, this is just horrible. And the band plays on or we can say Not on our watch. Yes. And get involved. Voting is not enough.

So but let me stop you should people keep voting? Oh, absolutely. No, that's a weird question. But they're gonna see that and say, What's the point?

If you're one of those people standing in line right there without? Well, that woman's breaking the law? Uh huh. Talk to well, you can't do that.

Most Americans the bought by far and away want an honest fair process. Most Americans are voting for the right reasons and have no ill intent whatsoever. 7% there abouts. Maybe not so much, but we have 93% worth saving. And we are. We are an exceptional nation that can pull this together and pull it together quickly. We just have to make this a priority because it hasn't been a priority. We've taken it for granted, we've taken voting for granted, we've taken the process for granted. And that has to come to an end. Because we're being left in the dust by countries around the world, now is the time to wake up and demand standards locally, and then it'll all roll up.

I said this in the movie, and I believe this to my bones, that, that everybody's afraid right now, they're afraid of getting cancelled, they're afraid of this, they're afraid of that they're afraid of their neighbour, they're afraid to go to the store, whatever. On the other side of fear is freedom. And all you got to do is just step up. And let's go, let's do this.

So you both are are. You're making a decision. You're like, you know what, this is institutional evil, a criminal conspiracy, the likes of which we never could have imagined. What else you're going to take for me, right? Day after

the election cut. Katherine looked at me and said, What are we going to do? And I said, let's go and she said, Let's go all in. Let's go all in.

And just by background, I don't like talking about it, Catherine, but you were targeted by Obama every which way. You know, people, some people will remember you from that IRS, DOJ, OSHA, all of that. And here you are, again, I can't get rid of you. Actually,

the irony, I think of that is the irony, I think is that it steeled me for this moment. Yes. Because that was that was a lot. That was a lot. I really was thinking in 2019 when we finally because we sued the IRS. And then, you know, six, seven years later, we beat them. And and at that moment, I really had to do some prayer for prayerful consideration. You know, whether or not this is this is was that really what true but it was about were we there to make good case law, not to you know, not to settle to fight it out. I think this is what true the votes been put here to do is to take us into the other side of the mountain because this is real. And now we have to do something about it.

You're the best. Thank you.

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