Hi, it's me sorry I've logged in with the wrong Zoom account. Okay. What's up, man. How you doing, Jesse. I'm good thank you how are you. Yeah, I'm well thank you are you feeling better.
Yeah, I am feeling a lot better. It's just a lingering cold it's really horrid
sorry there's something going around at the moment. Yeah COVID
Yeah. Yeah, so many tests. I've just bought worrying, worrying, worrying, but it's no it's just a horrible code everyone's got my partner had it last week, and then went away. On the day that I started feeling poorly, so. Hi Peter. That was great luck for me.
How are you, Peter.
Thank you, how are you.
Good. Oh yeah,
very tired.
Because last night. Was it press night Did you say
first night and then we drove home so I got home, my purse bomb. Oh my god, no. So, you get what you get this morning. Um, did you say you've got a cold or something crazy. Yeah, I mean I started coughing so I think Jesus after all this, I've got COVID, but I just had a test so yeah I think finally finally we're all getting other things, you know,
there's a different cold going round. Yeah.
What I wish it on anyone, but
it's a pretty nasty cold if it. Yeah.
I think I was watching my child last night, and I thought if you've got a cold. Kind of like, think it was acting but morning how are you.
Good ol double thumbs up.
Knowing Susan are like this, I love this look. This spa look.
Good morning, guys. It's been a while.
Oh no. Oh, I've got it written here. Um, anyone who comes into my studio thinks I'm nuts. Why is it got Peter speaking at the top of your computer, because I can't remember.
Hello. Hello. What time is it, I'm sorry I was just saying I've got home at 130 Last night
was only working by the pitter patter of John who helps me during the garden this morning so Lauren. Oh boy goes double.
Where are you,
I'm in my flat in London. Oh, very nice. I'm just gonna make some breakfast but I'm listening and now I'll join in, but I've just got a wizard there and chops and banana. So nice to see you, Susan kempster.
My likewise isn't kempster speaking. Likewise, so nice to be here and actually this is the only time I can come for a while because we've got teaching on Friday mornings, starting next week teaching we're at Trinity lab and conservatoire of music and dance,
and work. Tell me where that is.
That's in Deptford so Greenwich Cutty Sark Deptford in that you get. Well, not really, because I just go and I do get a nice,
beautiful view though from there to the city.
It's a beautiful building as well.
So we're in the dances in the sort of modern one that was built with lots of sort of glass and stuff but, but they made the, the windows all this sort of translucent sort of white so you can't see through that first frosted, but it's really glary and kind of horrible, just not good design. I don't think
it's got like the weird tele Toby
hills that the front.
Yeah, but that they're nice the grass, the grass is nice at the front, the hills and, yeah,
yeah. Cool. Morning Athena.
Why didn't they do
it. Thank you. How are you
good they just rolled out of bed, that I'm here I'm awake. My either good chat that Kay ended in didn't really make above labs and I don't want you, that slot. Slide. No, Actually no. So, then we'll go David dive I like to, because man that's not a good idea. Um, if the I had Wonderboy as detention bird 13 years though it diverges. And then see the kid. And now, boys and the city boys are making it to it's been the salon, lives in London, so she can't work, and they were childcare, so that they live it together and then die and then then together that dies yeah that's it and then it's about working
that.
So I basically have my bed, do my makeup do a ton day, two boys, kind of me. You buy makeup in about one minute, so
it's very like my morning. Yes, I am also a self confessed sloty personal story.
Oh, We knew that about you. Oh, oh,
I'm barely awake, a man barely awake. But when I, when I was a school picture if you will, many, many years ago, before the internet, and many such others before the fax, even I have my eyelashes died at school. I think it was the statement. Did you do it very subtle Brown, yes, I mean, I honestly don't know what anytime. Don't, but I mean I probably do but actually
this isn't bad signal.
But the trouble is that you you're actually giving the wrong bad signal because trying to find anyone in hair and makeup in theater at the moment is almost impossible. So, good luck is like,
yeah well I just don't want to visually paired to my CV, because I said girl but I want to kill.
Well, we'll we'll look for you. Good morning everyone, Peter speaking, because it says so at the top of my screen. Yes, I've made that. Hello Hi lovely to see lovely faces, I think a lot of us are a little bit worried and I've probably been up a little bit late, and, but let's give it a go. I'm gonna say Hello Hello Hello. I've got no questions, I, I did have a question actually, are we all. Yeah, what was your favorite view at the moment. That's my question. So, I'm going to go Josie, Mimi out. I know how hard could be the one I yeah, I don't have an answer to this, I think about having been in London and not seeing much of London at the moment I always love walking over Waterloo Bridge and I know everyone says that but I imagined this morning, and the ladies of the National Theatre might be able to confirm this that that's rather a beautiful day. So Josie, I've given you I've given you some time for God's sake, me, me, and out.
I did JC speaking, I did actually. During that time, remember, a good view. There's JC speaking she her along. Ali pally. No not Ali pally Crystal Palace. I've moved from Finsbury park down to right right down south so I keep getting those two confused. There's just as you're walking along the High Street in Crystal Palace, every time you kind of look to the left through down the streets you get this amazing view of the city, like just across the through the buildings, it's very lovely so I'm appreciating that at the moment.
Morning everyone, me me speaking, I'm going to choose a few here because I think it will be a bit sad to do something in England, make me seem like I'm really home slipping on pretending I'm not. That is a beautiful place. Up on the top of the hills answers check out called Bob Scott and I went there yesterday to meet a friend and you can see the whole city, and sit there and have an ice cream, and it's very nice
Allister speaking, I think it's quite hard, not because I can't think of any but actually I can think of a few that I would quite happily just sit all day and stare at I think of like my apartment. What I did the show in New York, my apartment there. The roof. We were in Battery Park, so you could just see everything statue liberty when you went out on the roof. I think if we used to go on a holiday that we used to have in Cornwall, and they looked down, literally that over the cliffs and down to the beach. That was beautiful, and then just this weekend I was up in Snowdonia and spent some time filming on a lake up a mountain in Wales, and I got to. It was awful. By the way, there's that there's a whole two hour meeting me telling you how bad this shoot was, but for one hour on last Saturday. The first hour of the shoot. I was on a 180 year old rowing boat out on this lake, and the clouds, we were in the clouds and they were just lifting, so I was on, and there was, it was a mirror, the lake was a mirror, and there was a drone flying over filming and a camera crew and I was like, This is my job. And it was an, it was so peaceful, until I got back to shore and shit. And that was, that was an hour, an hour of bliss, on a terrible weekend, but the view. Ah, the view.
Well I'm sorry to hear that I was excited to hear about your weekend but and I'm paying my boo boo. So Susan kempster policosanol Athena Stephens
isn't speaking in London I think the view that has always impressed me is when you come into black via station. And you, you're sort of in the middle of the Thames looking at across to St Paul's and the Tate and all of that sort of stuff. That's always just made me go, oh, maybe this place isn't my favorite kinds of views I think actually a bit more nature, I was very fortunate to be in Italy a couple of weeks ago and where I was staying was up on a hill. And you could actually see the sea in the distance, past the olive trees and green and sunshine and Mediterranean dusk and the colors and that was that. That's kind of. Yeah, makes my heart sing, I guess.
I'm 40 speaking to her. I, yeah, as you say. There's so many on there. When you love landscape but when there's two thoughts that come to mind when I'm traveling on the train home to Brighton, There's the most amazing viaduct across a we walked near is near the muddy Gulch season where we went for a walk, but there's amazing viaducts across the valley, just outside Bolcom and the view of the Downs is absolutely amazing and sometimes it's completely full of mist and you're sitting on commuter trains in the morning and this extraordinary beauty opens up to you, and you're just full of Pete grumpy people commuting and just go look, look, you know, and it makes me feel like I'm at home and then there's a bit of the downs, which Vicki and I know is angry lady Gulch, partly now because we are angry ladies when we're in it as well as the woman who originally showed her fist at me when I was there, but when you put the downs, there's this amazing view across. And one of the things I love about it so much is that the downs always slightly disappointment that they aren't rocky enough, but quite often as you disappears into cloud and it feels like it's the low part of a mountain range, so it reminds me of the mountains, and it reminds me of FM CW because lots of Vicki and my thinking happened on that hill, and it reminds me of Vicki Waterman, so it makes me very happy.
Oh, Moreno, making two very big different views. This view is what I'm working on right now. Why is it is not finished yet, but that will look have that the void. January, by my boy. Um, and a lot down number three wasn't. Um, I had the guy over here, filling me in for the filling bookcase and he does that, in the wall and then that big download, And we have standard planning lives. This is April, um, and I don't know if any of Linda and Taylor, who is the head of tech at the verge rightly here, but to actually build this for me is the best. And they build it, as they step through the caves and dealing lockdown because they've said, No, you need a desk, that you can look at because you're gonna create work for us. So that right there. Five minutes before the load was came online, they were going okay well I don't know but we need to. Yeah, give and get a cleaned up and get it done and have to go because we don't know when we'll be back. And that judge every day, below. Did you can imagine the. Oh, the god forbid someone going no, we're gonna make this exactly right for you so that you can turn around and make great work to employ, and as much to do. Hey CAD, the goal is that is capitalism at its best when it does work, and enabling people to do their best and create a Google form of income and then the other video, a lot less time did claim because I'm going to drop it in the chat, and all of you, designers, enjoy that. That's where my bamboo is. And that when you get all the threads in Vegas. That is the red still the lead, like and then we would wait and then good to go and if I wouldn't be getting a day would love dare that they'll be there be no decades in there it's just, unlike anywhere else.
Gorgeous. Thank you. I've never been to Vegas. I'll be coming. Good,
we'll have you,
and, and to look at your bookcase to when it's finished, who doesn't have a bookcase so the chemo ultimate and then Sunita if she's there. And then we're done. At the moment, listening.
Money oh thank you speaking boy follow those two thanks Athena mazing. I've got three I've been, I've had time to think about it, probably in this order. First of all the inside of my sleep mask at the moment because. Secondly, actually, this, I never thought I'd say this, this zoom screen. One of my favorite views, just seeing all you guys rock up facing, and the other one is pretty much any view with the sea in it, it's
just does me good. I'm with you on the sea. Please, a little bit. Oh, she's not. I am I am I am. What's your favorite views to need to.
Ah, My favorite view, probably a little bit sad, but I think my brother's face, which I don't get to see anymore. So, that's my favorite view,
that's a good view. Yeah. Oh, brilliant thank you oh that was lovely to the business in hand, which is slight well or not, let's see slight or meaty. Let's decide I'm going to you first out, because that's what we do. Google it says an email. Yeah.
I spent a long time coming back finally this afternoon. Hopefully, I just needed to face with JC first, we'll be switching away from Wix entirely for the last time, which I know we've been talking about for over a year but finally managed to almost untangle detangle and removers entirely away from there so it just means that things are be cheaper and easier to run, and we're not tied into anything that we shouldn't be, or don't need to be tied into anymore. So I just got to work out a couple of email things I think I have to download all the emails, and the Hello act. Just to back them up, swap it all over and then re upload them back into the account. And so that's my afternoon. But hopefully, I'll still be smiling at the end of the day and it will be done.
I'm Josie I'm coming to you for anti racism meeting update you wrote it. Now pull a face.
Sorry JC speaking I wasn't putting a face at the meeting, it was very much at the downloading every single email, and then transferring it. Yeah, just anti racism meeting, we have, we are going to have an anti anti racism meeting next week, and I'm going to pop the slack poll in the channel so if anyone else has availability next week, please pop in your availability, and we couldn't work out at least one meeting maybe two if there's different times that people, because at the moment there's a, there's a daytime Wednesday daytime is looking like the most popular, but I also know that there's lots of people who are only available evenings at the moment so if we want to do a evening. Please put your availability in there, and we can sort that out as well. We're going to chat about starting to use the in carts, anti racism toolkit, and also integrating anti racism into our meetings, and that sort of thing. So it would be a really good meeting to have lots of people under thought
speaking.
Thank you, Josie. Oh, Vicki,
Vicki speaking just. Also I got in touch with our yesterday because I had a improbable male out, and they are running a series of anti racism event through the open space process. I've been in touch with your Hannah who seems to be the contract for that, just to ask her for permission to share that information with through our socials, but also to try and get the right kind of information to put onto the socials, so that is work in progress, but as soon as I've got that info, I'll give it to.
Thank you. That's great.
Speaking Josie I've also got you for sex ed. I think, was that an email, was that,
yeah yeah JC speaking, there was When I first started there was an email from Melissa Taylor at Essex University who were doing a bunch of research about the impact of COVID on the performing arts, and they basically reached out and said, Do you like they've been following our work and our research like the big Freelancer report and that sort of thing. And they basically reached out and said, Is there anything you want us to research, is there any data that you need. And at the time we didn't have anything like the capacity to work out what data we did meet, but she's recently got back in touch and. And is that Vicki saying you have to go. Okay, cool. And they're applying for some funding so they've asked us to do a little right a little. Yes, this would be helpful to support their application. And I spoke to her on the phone yesterday, basically. She's just really extended that that offer of, if there's any data we need any research we need doing than they are, they've got a team like sat ready to do that sort of research if we need it. So, it's just that offer really go ahead poorly
poorly speaking. I think one really quick thing Josie to say is that we really love to repeat the big Freelancer survey, and we don't have the capacity, I mean I don't I don't know when I'm speaking out of turn, but we have talked a lot about wanting to do that. And it would need a little bit of shifting to do in a kind of in a post pandemic world, but I still think it would be really really worth that small shift and getting that out there and it would be a good drop bedrock for their research as well as for us to have two sets of data. So I wonder if they would be interested in, in that, And I, I think. I mean obviously there's a, there's a question around, how they're approaching people and what they're doing the questions they're asking but I think that it would be a little bit like the BBC, I think it's really important that we have a relationship with them doing that work because it's, it's feeding, what we can do, and that's really important, particularly this time when we can't generate huge amounts of stuff that actually made strengthening that relationship would be a really valuable thing, I would get my votes
and JC speaking there's. She was Yeah, her emails have been a bit. What they're, they're very kind of intellectual speak academic speak, which is kind of hard to, I find quite hard to access. And I know Paulie made a comment about that as well so, but actually speaking to her yesterday she was really lovely and they're just really keen on doing on kind of supporting freelancers in performance, via research, and that's the way that you know they can help to that's what they want to do. And so yeah I totally agree, like supporting like maintaining that relationship would be really really good. So yeah, I'll get back to her about the big Freelancer survey, because I think that's a great show. As I said they're applying for funding at the moment and they've said if they don't get this, they said it's, it's been a bit. They've had like a week to do it which is why the deadline was really quick and it's during is it during halftime or during dinner, she was basically. She was saying that, as a parent his absolute nightmare work into that deadline at this point so, but they said that they're going to keep trying. If they don't get this round of funding, they're going to keep applying for different rounds of funding so they will have the capacity and resources to do that. They have fully,
fully speaking, is it, what is it what you're asking, do they need anything from us at the moment, they just need a thumbs up and a kind of letter of support or that we're engaging with them or something because if a light touch something would help move them forward I think it would be good to discuss if we're happy to say that that we're kind of what EJ would describe as critical friends on the journey
and JC speaking, yeah. Well basically I said that I can send over the kind of statement of support, which is just saying like, we think this work is, is worth doing. And then because that's the quick turnaround that they needed. And then I'd catch up with them after I'd spoken to everyone about what sort of research we might want them to look into. So yeah, definitely worth going back to Melissa on that and seeing how we can move forward. She was also really keen because because she's spoken to us before and, and I'd said, you know, we're all volunteers and we don't have a massive amount of capacity she was really keen to make sure that anything we had to do was like they take the bulk of the work because there, they would have the funding to do it so they were really keen that, you know, we wouldn't be a burden to us at all any of this in the end, it would be a case of them taking work from us as opposed to adding to our list. So, yeah, and a thought,
all,
all the speaking, love it love it love it love it, would it be if it's of use. If one of them would like to come and chat to us about the big freelance report, and have a look at it as, as it was, because it would take, I think an hour of some of them and some of us just working out with the questions might slightly shift. I did you get support as opposed to are you getting support and little bits like that but I wondered if there's a Friday that they'd like to come, it might be a good thing to gather around. Great.
Thank you guys. Thank you. I think that's the updates and reports unless anyone's got an update they want to sneak in. Oh, Josie.
And just to add quickly I do need to go at 10 o'clock I will be back. But they also completely forgot this. And they're doing. They're setting up something called the future of creative, and they've got the woman who is the chair of equality, the equity equality. Equality committee at equity. She's come on board, and it's basically an advisory board about research, and the performing arts, and they were asked if we maybe were interested on jumping onto that advisory board so maybe that's like a critical friend thing I need to get more information about that, but I will update when I have that info.
Amy, maybe speaking, I just wanted to remind people that we've got a Brexit meeting tonight at 6pm, if anyone else is joining us
with cocktails, I hope you've got a preview for the constable. Good. Alright, so that's that. And now, this is full disclosure, because this is my fault. A little bit, that we were supposed to be having a meeting, introducing new people, but I felt I just felt like I couldn't share a meeting, that wasn't completely deliver that didn't completely deliver, and it didn't seem to me like we had enough. I don't think enthusiasm is the right word, I just think we just didn't have enough people, and it's problematic. And the bigger question for me is now given that these groups have been quite small, recently, how we actually get the right and analysis, sort of slightly contentious pneus in, in, in that, in those words the right people into the room but I feel like, unless we have the energy that corresponds to the energy that we've had in the past and the energy that we sometimes have ourselves, then we will endlessly be coming up against this problem. So, so the question today really is. What are we looking for, and how do we get it, And how do we get it perhaps a little bit more what's the word. A little bit of more of a planned way, I know there's a better word than that and I'm sure Polly's got it in their head right now but you know what I'm saying so I'm throwing this out to the room to say, where do we go from here, to quote, Madonna, in detail, the movie, the movie musical
speaking, I don't have a direct answer to that but I've got two examples of conversations I've had recently, which might, which certainly helped me think about the what the Ask actually is, both for us as FM CW members asking other people but also what they ask of other people joining us. So I spoke to a group of people, a while ago and said that we were looking to bring in some fresh ideas and fresh blood and they were asking Okay that sounds great. What is it that you do. And it was kind of quite an my answer wasn't very defined it was, Oh, we did lobbying do this, and they were okay. So what are you doing at the moment, they couldn't really give them examples that this is what we need help with. Whereas, on the weekend during my, my weekend of a mountain, and the three other actors, I was filming with all three of them at the XP but as well, we got talking about GW. And the way I explained it to them more than was going through that. I know we've not implemented it, I don't know why or what's happened. But when we were talking about the predefined or those more more defined groups of those a group that's going to do this as a group that's going to do that there's a mirror. Oh I get it. They understood that and they're like, Oh, I'd be really interested in sitting in on that meeting and inputting on that subject, or I have a capacity to be able to help with that or I don't have much capacity, but is there a group that does this sort of thing. So one of them is that other well being, I'm totally on board I can offer voice, absolutely, completely, but the rest of that I don't really get the politics side of things and I feel like that. So they it was two similar conversations but one was framed around having these four more framed around. This is what we would do in that group, whereas the other one was more. Well we do this and we do that, and, and it and it wasn't, it felt like it wasn't defined it, and none of them were came back to me as being interested, whereas the three guys I met this weekend, all three of them were like, I could commit something to that group, I could do something with that or I would be interested in putting some energy into that project, that seemed I got a lot better response. When the Ask was more defined or certainly my understanding of what fenti w is, and is doing going forward, was I know internally we've not implemented that I know there's a Brexit group meeting site which is fantastic and I noticed the small acts of kindness which is going on which is great, but we don't have any of those other that away day when we floated the idea of it, nothing's really happened. But when I spoke to people about what that could look like. There seem to be a warmer response to being able to commit time, energy and an understanding of what that would be. So, as I say that's not really an answer but there was two very interesting conversations I've had recently and one went a lot better than the other one. And the thought, he's just
thinking, thank you. Well that's really helpful, poorly
poorly speaking, it is really helpful out because I think one of the things that happened with the awayday is that we all gathered around different subjects, and then none of us had the capacity to really react. So I wonder if we did the bold thing of casting the subjects, out to the wider community, to say that we're looking for volunteers who are interested in working in these areas. And because I think anybody who's got a kind of interesting, capacity to step into that space. We, you know, that in itself, there will be learning by doing and you know there is a kind of, you know we have values that we can share, and we can body people and things like that but I think seeing if there are people out there who have capacity and interest in supporting this work is really critical because we've had an amazing dynamic team. But now we're in real trouble, and even us trying to control. You know how we invite people in is is proving a stumbling block. So we're getting into even more trouble. So that would be my thought. And
it is big THANK YOU Paulie, so Nita. Morning. I,
this is like a very personal thing, but I sort of think that I got really hung up on getting our own house in order. So like I, and I think that's the thing that stops me talking to other people about FMT W in a way that is useful, I think the work I think talking about individual subjects like those working groups is a much easier journey because I actually in genuine earliest don't feel like I can talk about, like, going back to work has highlighted some like mad things around. The way we FMT W function around the way the industry functions like we've all gone. Like what the fuck, but I think the groups are, are a good in. And actually, the groups are sort of probably the only thing I've I as an individual volunteer feel like I have the ability to relate to another person, because I am still super hung up on how we get our own house in order, because I don't, I don't think it is, and I don't know. Will we ever again because we're not all stuck in our houses, so like, we've all got outside influence all the time and I don't know. So yeah, I, I, maybe we do just pick a group and run with it.
He just speaking selected Can I just ask you to clarify house in order. Yeah, maybe with an example. I'm curious because I completely agree with you and I just wanted to make sure that I know
for me personally, how many fucking times do we have to bang up against anti racism before.
A lot of people commit to it. Like, too many times, whereas I feel like Brexit will get behind really fast. And when we start to talk about anti racism, you know, I bought it up a long time ago, not pulled it up a long time ago Hazel bought it up. Jess bought it up at the last you know we've, we've been round this conversation, and I just that's what I mean by getting our house in order, but I know that that's just one topic. And I also think, I don't think that special to us I think that's special to that, I think that's I think that's the industry, like I had a conversation last night with somebody who works in a massive institution, and they're doing like plays that have lots all black casts, or brown cast over and I was like, have you had. Have you done any as a member of full time staff.
Have you done any anti racism work or any other ways I had an unconscious bias thing about eight months ago. That was it. Yeah, the narrative of that organization, outwardly facing is that we are doing this, we are fixing this blah blah blah. But they aren't that that's what I think that's what I mean but I've gone down a rabbit hole, sorry, like that's what I mean about house in order, it's very hard for us to collectively do that. Because if we are reflective of the industry that we all exist in which we are the industry that we exist in is a hot fucking mess. So, how do we then replicate a non hot mess environment in which I'm so sorry I've gone for one but how do we do that, like how do we do that, honestly and truly, we can't. So that's, that's what I mean, sorry if that's unclear.
Thank you that's really, really helpful. I think I did see your hand.
Yeah, no it's out there on the screen. Um, no, Geneva, housing, I think, is really really really important and is blended that I've been hearing a lot, thinking about a lot, and they were thinking that they are getting upset because I is having dinner with the King, the sagia manager. Bye. The back of me about all that going on. And she said, Whoa, these guys clearly do not have to know that at all. And then I've been doing them digging daddy Yeah, boy, boy, it was like I was there as a band aid, it make it look like they had cleaned out. And that wasn't happening that stage. I know. I know this man is pologize because it's gonna shout out and take it. The favorite thing, pay has in order to avoid criticizing the vote. And, as an industry. It's degraded at times the World Budget deja vu does own tire jobs job as a creative ad is to blame the drug in the world. And I love the idea of following Boga India, visit though we need help. What is. Oh, but I think we can do that anyway, but the world isn't people don't realize the voice that they have, and that their voice is important and that their voice needs need to be you, just so I don't. I don't like the boys. The main thing that anything that is great. Maybe this generation of ideas in creative gluing media actually changed the industry. We're also gonna have to be looking at people who don't realize the power that they have and need to learn how to do use that power in the way that are going demand the world the way we want it to be in the hot
seat to speaking Thank you Athena,
um, poorly speaking, I completely and utterly concur. I love your phrase Sinitta a hot mess. Because I think it's really important to acknowledge. And I think one of the, one of the things that we have to hold on to, if we are going to do this is the importance of our values. And the idea there are several things within there, the idea of working generously and and learning, trying to take care of each other but also moving forward and learning as we move forward, has been a work really amazing way to do a lot of learning. And I think that the, the wish to work in a different way, is, is aspirational. I don't think it's something that we are anywhere near, but it's something that we have all agreed we're trying to do. And it's that kind of the, the, the side of the circle that I think you're absolutely articulating Sunita is, you know, the fear of moving forward, but actually agreeing to move forward fearfully but carefully and generously, I just think somehow we have to hold that at the heart because if we just throw this open to anybody then much harm could be done, and that feels like what is all the work that we've tried to do, and is never going to be finished but around our own house, as it were, that has to inform how we move forward, or we might as well be equity or the globe, or, you know, or whoever, and just
me me
me me speaking hesitantly, um, it's really, I think this is such a special space, and we've got, you know, quite strong idea about what our values are. I wonder if there's a merit. I think we do shout quite loudly about what they are but I wonder if there's merit in really putting out there. These are, this is what we believe in. This is the work we want to be doing as in these are the project groups we have anti racism Brexit lobbying etc. And if you are on the same page as us. I don't know I just there's something about a lot that makes me think the right people will come. And maybe some of those people aren't coming right now because they don't think we can pick up certain issues that they care about, and if we say, actually, we'd really like to have a group of people come into this group and work with us on anti racism, we might find that people turn up who want in.
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If you hear me say under thought or did I not make it did I mute myself before I finished speaking you muted
yourself but thank you. Question comes in sexually but just sort of stare that keeps steering the conversation in the right direction in terms of productivity rather than just analysis, how what channel. What channel do we think we would use in order to offer that invitation. Paul
already speaking I just wanted to fill EJ in briefly, which is, we've been talking about the idea of opening up, you know, finding more people to engage with FMT W and even the invitation within the group that we have has yielded very little because of the issues of crusty and our was saying very usefully that when he's talked to people about it, it's quite hard in terms of articulating what it is and what it's doing. And we were discussing the fact that even the kind of away day strings of work. We've not had the capacity within the group to even follow up on those. So, is there something in throwing that out as an invitation to a wider group, and then Sinitta raise the question around the work we need to do to get our own house in order that is ongoing and acknowledging the hot mess of where we are but that, you know, it's the importance of the anti racism work is that you know, we have to, we need both to be happening simultaneously but, and then maybe he was talking about ensuring that our values are enshrined in the nature of the invitation. I think that's a rough summary. Just
confirm Q, Paulo back to a question that how do we send out that invitation or offer. And I did, I mean, then I think. I guess my question. My question is partly answering it myself, which is, I feel like it needs to be a little bit more targeted than just putting out a, you know something in a newsletter or something, because we, yeah, I don't feel like we've got there that's thus far so out, and then Becky and then EJ.
Amid Alice's speaking, sorry, even after all this time, still can't find the unmute button. I don't think we should say no to a newsletter, in terms of being the offer because the newsletter is where people have opted in, it's not we're just shouting it out on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram, this is this is you know we gain subscribers, we lose subscribers. And I wonder if the ask is, I agree about getting our house in order, but maybe that is part of the ask is, it's all part of the offer is, this is where we've got to and this is where we're going and we need help as well. And that's, and within that ask, is a clear statement of our values and a clear, anti racism statement, which should sit front and center. And then I reminded me if and this is, I didn't know whether it's serious or not because I don't know whether it's right or exact don't mean it to sound like sticking plaster over, because that's not what it's meant to be. But when we rehearsed a play I did, which was about addiction. If before everyone has to before every show you know you arrive at rehearsals, everybody's laughing and joking that we always did the Serenity Prayer and that grounded us into the work that needed to be done that day. Now I'm not saying the Serenity Prayer is what we should do but there's something about our values, there's something about a clear anti racism statement at the top of every meeting that, again, I don't mean it to sound like, oh what a tick we've done, but it grounded as every day and knowing that the focus of the day was about this thing. And we had to tune in, and we had to focus, and it had to be about that. And at first it felt like a bit of an exercise and all this, you know, what are we feeling but by the end of it, it was like within the blood of the company, those that that serenity prayer was, and we've all taken it on to our future lives and it's part of what we do and we slip and we fall and we met we make mistakes. Well of course we did but having that grounding at the beginning of every rehearsal, beginning of every show and beginning of what we didn't have meetings but it was a little bit like these are our values, every day, this is what we're striving to do and it put us all on the same page and all in the right space. And I wonder if there's something along that those lines, that is a, a very clear. Whenever anybody joins if anybody's not been here a while. The first thing is, this is an anti racism space, this isn't, this is what we stand for, and these are our values, and this, this is what we do. And it becomes part of the fabric of a meeting, part of the fabric of FM TW and hopefully part of the fabric of when we go back into the world and start working. And that's just a thought and it might be completely wrong, but it's certainly that that process, that always grounded me in knowing what the day was going to be about and why, why I was in that room each day. End of end of thought it note. And the thought
will continue. No, this is the right time, I'm Vicki, then EJ.
i Yeah, thanks. Oh, that's really. Yeah, striking a chord, for me, I'm sorry, Vicky speaking, I guess mine was a much more banal thought because your question Peter was about how to get the invitation out, and one of the things that would be useful for me would would be just to say, what do we think the strands of work are, I know we talked about that, many times, but just to have a little shortlist of what the strands of work are, because there may be different invitation forms for different things they might be good ways for one group that aren't good for another group, or something, not sure, I mean really, but I know that I'm not clear what we think the strands of work are necessarily, and might be the only one. I couldn't know what some of them are and then I think well they're things that I've forgotten.
It's just thinking, thank you, Vicki, PJ and then possibly me.
He just because it kind of ties in with what I was gonna say in Vicki, what Alice said and Vicki said, so hopefully that's helpful, and in one of the other organizing spaces that I'm part of, we have the CDs of like working agreements, the way that you'd set up working agreements in a rehearsal room and they're basically the values that we carry but recycled into like commitments and actionable statements, and I think there's about 12, but at the start of every meeting three are read, and it's really like in this space I will dedicate a day, and everyone gives a visual signal to say that they have agreed with that agreement, and it works in the way that Allah was saying with the Serenity Prayer, except because it's a difference three every time you acknowledge the from this larger agreement but because you need a different three, the land quite freshly because you're not eating the same things over and over. And there's something in the physical act of having to listen and say yes I sign up to it. That means it's really hard. That is a quite a helpful way of working, I think particularly in a zoom space because there's enough time and breath to do it. And the other relates to what Becky was saying, I think we cannot underestimate and in all of the organizing spaces, I'm in right now but also workspaces, just how exhausted people are, and how people don't realize that they are as exhausted as they are. And I'm not saying that in a patronizing way I think we've never been through a global pandemic and there's lots happening around that. And so for me relate to Vicki I think we need to add almost like under ask people, we need to ask people to join and do things that they can definitely overachiever, so they get the buzz of being here and they don't feel like this is just another responsibility that they're kind of dragging themselves through and not doing well because if they get that like, I've done it and whatever I'm doing is working, even if we're moving slower than we want to. That is the momentum that keeps up the capacity so it feels great. I know and I can say and I'm here because the stuff we're doing with BC is working. And so actually that's given me the energy to continue, but I think we can create these invitations, in a very simple way, so we invite people into a space where they're pretty much going to succeed, and that will generate that staying power and then maybe give everyone in this room, you need to nap space to go and have a nap, and have thought.
Speaking Thank you. I see a so poorly before me. So need to, but I'm just going to explain to Chino in a roundabout way which is what I was going to say anyway, that we're talking about how we invite new and engaged members to the group so that we can perpetuate our work without to AJs point, killing ourselves. I think that's, I mean that's is that what I wanted to say was because I'm trying to keep this as a practical exercise and not to just keep talking about how we might do it but, but what I hear is that if we had, let's, we've got Brexit groups, I'm going to use the Brexit group as an example because we know we have that we have others. I've got an idea about a quick response group, from what I've seen in the slack recently which I find quite sometimes in terms of jumping on the bandwagon and not bandwagon jumping on an action thing. I find that that's all, that's a lot of what I see in Slack or on the back channel is what I'm seeing, and it makes me a bit anxious, and I feel like that, that in itself is a project, rather than just a bad signal that actually what we should have is a group that responds to things we see, and it has a formal strategy, rather than a sort of panic, and I don't mean that in it, just mean. Rapid Response thing so that could also be a project that, you know, all sorts of other things but I feel like what the invitation would be to Al's point if we did it in a thing is to invite people to a meeting. a meeting that we've organized a meeting that is perhaps just a discussion so that people can see how we work. So, so it's, it is you know it's a friendly, open, open room, a bit like the Friday mornings but actually just more specific around a topic and then we can you know like minded people can have a good conversation. So where we're hosting things around our themes that the, the, that we see where the engagement might come and I think that might be a good rather than throwing people into a room like this and try to explain everything. I think that might be a good first offer if to Vicki's point we can identify those what those groups are and maybe, maybe, in terms of an FMT who we should, you know, our top five and start there and say okay well these are the things that we really feel like terms of our engagement would be most helpful to get to get brains working on and see where we go from that end of thoughts Sinitta them poorly.
Okay, sweet speak. I got a bit lost, but I think the thing I think I am interested in is giving people something to take part in that they can't possibly fail that I think that is a really exciting, offering from us to the community. Because actually, I think there's a lot of people feeling like they're failing and shit at the moment because we are being set up to fail up quite a lot of things. And actually, maybe meet, maybe the word meeting, and maybe the word working group, and anything that is like a, like, I think, as Peter said like they are just conversations. And then from that we'll just get what we need from them but I just, I'm really interested in not setting people up to fail. And how we do that, like that is exciting for me.
So I'm just purely speaking inspired by Sun eaters, thought, it strikes me that it's really rather than getting too bogged down in a way, avoiding the conversation that you got bogged down in our, it would be a way to, I mean the people, what we need, Let's be honest, is people with capacity, an interest in advocacy, and the situation for freelancers and a belief in change. And interesting collective learning and going on a journey. You know, it's like, Is that what I don't know do we define the really simple things in order to invite people in EJ take that from the sorry or Peter I don't mind whatever Sorry, bad pulley, EJ,
EJ speakin
if I separate three of the things we've mentioned, or three of the things that exists so the rapid response group, the government body and Brexit, and then see the small act campaign, or whatever that is, they are three very different types of working, and if they were three jobs to be in, they'd be very different job descriptions, and I think all of the things you said are really valid Paulie, but actually we could put them out as three job descriptions, where we could say, are you comfortable checking in with Slack every night. Okay, working on the hot motivated by quickly responding to things come to this, this gathering, and we'll just talk about the rapid response, as a as a project that we do. Are you motivated by voting document policy. Are you turning politicians and frustration, join the Brexit group, have a great time, or are you do you have design skills and campaigning skills and we're starting this new idea, and I think if we separated them. We could do that thing you're talking about Peter where maybe everyone lands together, and then we go into breakout rooms for those specific things so people are only having to listen to the way of working that already suits their style of practice, and can get excited about that instead of overwhelmed by the different stuff and I do think it's a strength to lean in and what Vicki said, I think it's great if we don't all know what's going on, like I think that is what we'll make as a movement because in massive organizing movements, not everyone knows every single detail of everything, because it's not possible. And maybe we start with that as an impetus, but it's like we're not inviting you to see the whole cake we're inviting you to have your slice and really enjoy it.
Peter speaking Thank you EJ. Yeah, I think I agree. I mean, I think, I, I mean maybe it's my, my own I see you Athena and then I see you, me, me, um, in terms of this up. I like to keep things simple in terms of understanding things, and I feel like an invitation to a meeting around the subject would be a good start, in terms of getting people engaged, and I think for me, what I feel like we need is people to be excited by what we do, and to feel like they're part of a conversation. In order to discover those things each year that you've just been talking about in order to go. I love this but all account. And maybe, as part of that we explain those beats of things but I, is that what I was really gonna say, perhaps it's not. And now I've lost the thread so I'm going to thena, and they're going to meet but I may come back to myself,
a thing that he did comment on what he said. Maybe, maybe NBN gybing been negative, the weak hands vendor has done. I'm not sure how many people read to me no in Ghana other mentally say this is my way of working. Now that doesn't mean that we can't help them, they get it. But maybe that is that was his, his doing anyway the, the, whatever that what get done in terms of intensity level. This time, all that good stuff stay when joy is like, kinda like, oh, voted in this way. What the be the bird that I didn't know I've been burned in the garage of exam to me as an introvert. But, you know, there are five different ways of working. If you are a grown man, this might work for you. If you. No, no, no. Whoa, this might work about you, looking at children plugged into my head. giving me the no mode. So, but honestly I think that a lot of people. They typically live in today. But, in the world in general they either they go, I can be wherever you want me to be. When do really sad, but they really need to give them the tools a little bit and figure out how they work. Before I go and do what then translate it, then do what we need
to speaking, thank you so you know, you said it much better than I was going to say it but before consuming me I just wanted to finish my thought. I think it's exactly that and that's what I meant about exciting people and enthusing people is that a lot of the people that we're talking to, I have. I've had several conversations recently where people say that Freelancer think you do, as if that Freelancer thing that I do and we do is doing all the work, and that's the questions, and it is, but it's, but, but if someone else is going to do it and nobody really knows, and that they haven't been invited, but they know they're safe in safe hands. And what I feel like is the invitation, would be lovely, but we are inviting people who have no experience of this at all, as we did 18 months ago, none at all. So, to to Athena's point to be guided to be shown that this is, this is what we need from you we need, you know, we need your conversation we need your thoughts we need your just to begin that process in a gentle welcoming way that says this is how we function and these are the conversations we're having would be a very good start in discovering, as, as it always has been, who, who the right people to, to connect with are. So, me, me and then Chino
me speaking. Although, I agree, that not everyone knows how they work. I think people do know which ideas in which campaigning topics kind of set them on fire. And so that's, that's still quite a good way to get people, and I wanted to make another offering, while we're kind of talking about how we work going forward, which people might hate the idea of but it's that we create a space, once a week or every other week, on Zoom, where there's a Zoom Room open and FMT W volunteers can come and do stuff, and it's like it's like a Friday meeting but rather than sitting talking, we just have a list of, I'm going to write to these MPs or I'm going to work on this bit of website. And it's just a space where we can get stuff done I mean you could do it in person, because you're mostly in London I guess as well, but it just might be a nice way to start making more actions happen. Yeah.
Thank you, Mimi Chino
morning I've still got morning voice. Oh my god I can make FM CW. Let's go.
I've got coffee now.
Morning, everyone. It's really interesting listening to all of this because I think there's. So there's quite a lot of stuff in this conversation that feels like maybe we just need to, I don't know how we break it down but there's like the thing of where people are at in the industry. And also, how, and just coming in and what you were saying Alistair and, you know, how intersectionality plays into that at the moment, like, and how the layers of what people are feeling is particularly important to talk about because I think there's becoming, there's lots of kind of bottlenecks that are happening in the industry at the moment. And part of those bottlenecks are largely around freelancers and actually, I would say, both from kind of inside of it and outside of it, that I think that what FMT Darby, and, and I would say majority FM TW and a few other people have done is that we've empowered organizations to talk about freelancers and what they might need, without actually doing the work, the deep work. And so, sorry I'm just gonna just spill latest stuff thoughts in terms of what I've just been hearing. So what is happening, the main is that lots of people in buildings and in organizations feel totally able to go. Yes, of course, and then we must think about the freelancers. Right, and they use the word freelancers more in the last six months than I've ever heard the word used in my entire career. And, but the deep work hasn't been done. So what then happens is that what we're, I think what we're finding in this group there's two perceptions that I want to share one is that I heard is, Oh isn't, isn't the work of FMC W now over because everything's back on. Which makes me go. Whoa. That means that you think you're doing the work or somewhere else now, which is slightly worrying, but also makes me wonder how many freelancers are being engaged by buildings, and organizations to be doing the work that we're asking them to come into, say, a work room and do, for example. So I think there's something about when we're talking about people being overwhelmed I think there's also something about people being overwhelmed by being given these Freelancer hats within organizations. Unofficially, and within those hats sometimes are, you know, to talk about freelancers of color blind majority freelancers. Disabled freelancers freelancers and this particular community of freelancers that particular community. So I think there's something about those levels of where tired is and where overworked is I, as, as it comes up to Black History Month. I feel a pit in my stomach, of what I'm about to the kind of emails I'm about to receive, and the sorts of stuff they're gonna ask me to do. And so there's a lot of freelancers I think in that position, but I do, listening, I think there's something about. There's something about a space, and, and I wonder if it is just the space to think out loud together, and that's the initial invitation.
Um,
I think lots of buildings. And I don't say this in a malicious way. I do think lots of people feel that the work the FMC debris is doing that isn't needed anymore because everything is starting to feel more back to normal or whatever the word is. And actually, as well. I think part of attracting and those three groups you're talking about. AJ and poorly, as well as attracting new people I think there's something about making sure that we read that people realize that what we've been providing as well as all the strategic stuff and all the talking to people and challenging that is the care, because that's not what is being provided at the moment so actually I sort of weirdly want to go back on the like thing of what can people do skills wise, and go back to an idea of a key part of what we were doing for the first year of this was care, providing a space for freelancers to come and be and be angry and be whatever, and feel cared for. And I wonder if we've lost that. I feel like that's all I've got to say for now but I do think something like work rooms important. I also think the intersectionalities why there's less and less blue majority people in this room, I think that's a great that's something we've really got to tackle, because I have a day job and, And it's hard work, but that's because I've been doing two people's work, and I will have someone supports me now but then I'm also like the number of other rooms and called into to be the global majority representative is bothering me, and I would rather be going into those rooms with an FM CW hat on, but at the same time, probably needs to be in this space, a bit more so that's my own complex dilemma at the moment. So yeah, care feels like an important thing that it's a bit it's a bit like equality, diversity and inclusion stuff. We've equipped buildings and institutions with the language they just don't, they and they don't really care if they can do the work so they can talk about justice now, and they can talk about equality and representation, and use the fancy words but they don't include in that care and thought, and what that means in practice, so I'll stop Wittering on, I'll have coffee and then I'll maybe make sense
later speaking Thank you Tina, I've got Paulie and Vicki. I'm aware that we are at 1044 and should have a break, but I'm gonna do poorly and Vicki and then have a break, if that's all right with everybody. I just wanted to thank, Chino for bringing the word freelancers back into the conversation actually it was really, really focusing and the only thought I had, as you spoke was a challenge back to, to all of these organizations and buildings as a question and maybe it's a newsletter and I'm not offering out because all, because it's not anything I could write this is what are you doing for your freelancers, as simple as that. Right now what are you doing, you can say you're doing it all but what are you doing poorly and Vicky
only speaking. Yes. Likewise. Thank you Gina for bringing that very important you know the reason why we're all here back into the room, and I've been thinking this morning about the thing that keeps bugging me is how do we keep the conversation alive and how do we move from conversation to action, because it feels like we've really only just started and I'm talking about the heart like you say freelance as a word is not peppered through the lexicon. You know people say freelance in the same way that they use all sorts of language that they've learned, but we need to shift that from being an idea into being an activity and there's a few rooms where it feels like there's an interest in that happening. And I'm talking about looking at buildings and companies and the mechanisms within the industry where there is a kind of hunger to go, how do we shift this. I wonder whether there's anything as simple as a, dare I say, you know, just thinking about the way we all first came into this room was a really light touch conversation. And then we all came into a room and found that we had a lot in common. And is it as simple as, trying to find that input of energy of people who want to keep doing the work, and then we discover the things that EJ is talking about, and the things that Athena is talking about but the first thing is that people are interested in giving some time. I mean I think time is a really controversial issue because as you say, we can't offer to pay people. So where are we asking people as individuals to step into that space, rather than the GLA space which has been funded or whatever, but in a way we need to find a common ethos, which is a belief. A belief that we can somehow make change happen for freelancers within our industry. And is it as simple as sharing a belief in that caring and hoping that that and it wanting to work towards making that happen. And if thought.
Lucky, and then
Pinky speaking. I'm not sure I've got a practical suggestion, I'm afraid, it just is really interesting listening to you speak to you know because I realized that
I just feel
overwhelmed by fury and fight, I really recognize what you're saying because I feel as though freelancers who are in the position of being in the workplace, at the moment are the pressure and the expectation that the Freelancers will deliver the change is really palpable. It's like there's a premium on top of what we were already expected to do as freelancers in terms of bringing creativity into buildings where, and, you know, work ethic, and, and, you know, the sort of every, every contribution that a freelancer of every kind, makes the building is bringing the thing to life. And on top of that now. We're supposed to be representing change and effecting change. That's an extra bit of our job now and it's really true that is happening to all of us I think in it, in, in different ways. And it's really helpful to be reminded that actually, where we started from is still where we are, which is that the freelance story needs to be effectively held up to be needs to be held in sight, I guess is what I mean. And it's getting it is getting buried. I thought your phrase think out loud was really helpful I think out loud space,
because I think
we're so fragmented again. And I also thought the question of the unofficial freelance hats, also really helpful. And, yeah, what are you doing for freelancers feels like an important provocation, again, and I, and I guess, you know, it's not an unusual situation to be frustrated in this way apologies though so rambley but I just had a whole thing going on.
Thank you, buddy. Listen, I am going to go see hands up, but I'm going to go to breaks it's 1050 We'll come back at 11 and continue this conversation but just keep in your minds, really, the practicality of how we help ourselves as a group and how we help freelancers obviously beyond that but I think Gina thank you that's been really helpful to, to set that back in our minds and let's think in the last half now about moving forward. Seeing a bit 11 o'clock.
Which Lake were you on on cope. Oh. Which mountain were you up.
Oh, you'll see you're asking questions there that I've already forgotten entertain okay. It was beautiful.
Oh I'm sorry it was a pain
to too many stakeholders, too many cooks, it's an advert, it's, it's, EA, but it's about the new iPhone that's released today the iPhone 13 Right, so you've got, you've got a, you've got Apple, you've got the agency such as Archie, and then you've got the director, all have different ideas of what the advert should be commercial should be. And then just bad communicate, They didn't have the photos but start on Friday, they didn't have the phone, so they helicoptered the phone in. They actually they paid to send a helicopter from London to helicopter the phone in. So that kind of show that shows you where we were in the pecking order. Vegas. Yeah, and then I'm using the word literally in the correct term here we were, we've got up the mountain, which was a treacherous drive that we had to get a special cars to go up. Before the four actors, and we were literally about to step into the boat and the director came over and cut one of the girls from the shoot, as we were about step into the boat in front of the whole crew of 50 people, and it was, it was so awkward, and so it just set the tone really for the day then it was to do with this. This new phone that comes out today has this racking motion so it looks very cinematic it's amazing. It is really amazing. So you could you can move it and it racks to the next person that focus poles and it's beautiful and it looks like you filmed it on a really good, but we're in this boat, in a narrow boat and we'll pop our heads up, the idea is that it focuses focuses and focuses one by one. The technology wouldn't work with it that many people, How would they not work that out before hiring them, how would they not work that out, the evening, we were doing the rehearsal on Friday night on dry land. And how are they not informed as before we got to the side of the boat, about to step in and then they kind of kept making these false promises to they made the hang around all day they kept saying, well we're gonna do a version with the fall, we'll do a version with the four, they've got a seven at night and they were like, No, we don't have time, and they were sending us braids voices and she was in tears, understandably, we were all awkward because we were trying to, you know as the cast we were trying to be as one but we were all in it, and get going to get paid, she's not gonna get paid a day rate to get a buyout so it, it was so awful, and awkward and on set where the, the agency were just, they were just stepping stones and having a right laugh and think it was a day out on a lake for them, you know, and it's still just been fired and oh it was, it was awful. It was no toilets, no toilets. So we all had to be on a rock and it's like, well that's fine for the guys, that's okay for us to nip around the corner and fly around roll
under the guise of sculpting with God loves a good gender.
So, yeah, so it was, it was,
Wow, we see the only woman.
No, no, so there was two guys and two girls in the boat, but then there's two other cast members, Kevin Bacon and another guy who aren't on the boat. So it was basically one girl was cut and five guys were left in the ad. So, as much as I was enjoying rowing, I was thinking as soon as we get back to shore, they're going to swap me out because they need to get because the balance is wrong now, they add the balance is wrong. So I don't know. And then I was on Sunday. I was supposed to be filming on Sunday but they released it all, and I was an hour into my journey home a Welsh mountain, and I've been officially released and I got a text message saying, Oh you had a lovely time. I enjoyed filming we really enjoyed it. We've had some issues with the technology, if you please don't leave the house, the hotel yet, we might need you back on set. And it turns out, if it turns out that one of the clients taken one of the phones because they had three phones one was not being used and two are being filled on where the clients have taken the phone back to the hotel and deleted the footage, restless. So they were waiting for that client to turn back up on set with the tech guy from Apple to see if he could retrieve the footage. He did so I ended up driving back to pull up my deck, which is where we were staying at to get breakfast and then back over the lush mountains. It was just, I was really looking forward to being a Welsh man's gonna set I'm not gonna set in a year, my first job in a year and it's gonna be glorious. It was just the worst. Anyway, I'm back. Hey,
yeah. Well, thank you for that. What's your story. Thank you out. Okay, so we're back. Maybe you are in screen. There we go. Anyway, um, where do we go now, I think maybe I'll just say, I was just thinking about practicalities. And in the break, and I thought, I wonder if this is a subject group that, you know it's great if we carry on talking about this for the next half an hour next 25 minutes or whatever. And then we set up a group that relatively quickly, decides, some, some things that we might want to invite people to conversations about. And then we set up some conversations. What does that sound like poorly.
Oddly speaking is a little bit like an I don't mean in an ongoing way but a little bit like sort of doing a walk next freelances sort of trying to kind of build a what next community. Somehow, or, you know, I wonder if that was useful.
And it's anyone else that jersey goes.
Sorry, this might be because I, I had to duck out but can you just explain a little bit what you mean. Me Naiku like
poorly speaking. So it felt Josee like the conversation around. What's the nature of the invitation, and what are we offering people, and how do we ensure that we try and create a world where people can quickly feel they have a sense of achievement and a sense of doing, and there's a sense of that, but also Chino was kind of steering us quite brilliantly back towards the beginnings and the beginning was basically a sort of agreement that we were all interested in working giving some time to working in this area, it's Sunita posted something really interesting about the ink arts Amanda Parker. Even the nature of the welcome. You know I can help to sort of generates or encouraging welcome the right people that you know that so and as EJ was talking about the, I wrote it down statement and this is how we care for each other in the wider community so being quite cautious around how we articulate the invitation but also being willing in a way to throw it quite wide, to see where the community is and to reengage with the fact that, fuck me it's like we've none of us got any capacity, it's really shit out here and there's a fuck of a lot to do. Help. Sorry, that's how I'm feeling today.
Speaking exactly, EJ,
EJ speaking. I may not be following the thread, I think I have. There's a fear that happens in me, I think when we have these conversations and FMT W because somehow we managed to talk ourselves rounds into doing a new project. And so what next for freelancers to me somehow. Like a new project, in some respects and I'm not saying that that's what it is and I think there's clarity to be gleaned around that. And I also I think the other thing that really sets in me strongly is a fear of anything being perceived as more talking. I think the invitation has to be towards action because I know particularly from within the disability community if people are invited to one more conversation about disability in the arts, they're just gonna tell everyone to fuck off because they've been talking for decades, or only just been listened to, and now it's like more talking so I think for me, and a lot of my friends in similar situations they don't want to be invited to talk unless that is, this talk is going to be leading to this action, and therefore the talk about this is how we care for each other and this is how we work so we're inviting you to know the internal working before you sign up is really different from like a what next for freelancers because I think freelancers are painfully aware that there's still problems and we've been talking so I still don't. I'm still a little bit uncomfortable with the pre stage, I think it has to be a clean invitation that you're joining part of the movement to be active in FMT who people are going to be like, what, what we do and I know from some of the people that came to the last big invitation that was why they didn't come back. Some of the people I invited as they were like, it just seems like a lot of talking. and I'm not actually sure how I can help. End of
speaking. Thank you, Jay. No, I think you're absolutely right and I think that I think, I think I hope that's what we're talking about is that the conversation is a conversation about these, this is a subject, let's say Brexit because it just keeps bringing to mind it's the most active group that we have, but it's about this but it's actually about how you engage with this group, freelancers make theatre work, and how we work and what you can bring to help that conversation so it's not, it's a conversation around a theme, but really the fundamental thing is, We are looking for new engagement in the group. We're looking for ways forward with these subjects, and we want to know how you can help us to do that so I think always each of these conversations should be geared towards, we're looking for, you know, new volunteers that's what that's what this whole conversation is but yes thank you for clarifying that. And then, Chino
Chino was before me so Chino you
know Ross, Chino speaking, I'm so sorry, I think, I'm trying to reconcile the fact that I haven't been in this space for ages, but actually what's great is coming back to it was slight with with that slight distance and hearing, maybe I'm hearing stuff differently. I didn't know what's going on me. But I think there's something about trying to find if you. How do I put this, I feel like we're trying to find a model invitation that fits everything that we're doing, and I'm just sort of going back to your thing. Pizza about Brexit, the Brexit group for example so like I feel like the invitation to that work is going to be very different from an invitation to another piece of work. And I think in a way what we, what we should. The approach may be should be about looking at specific bits what exactly what you're saying Peter in a way like that's what's coming in your head is something feels that it needs action and so what is the invitation to that particular bit of action, and that bit of the work, but also realizing, for example, that when we talk about Brexit and when we talk about
who
will no longer be allowed to work in Europe for example, even with 20 years experience, I guess, that doesn't really affect me because I'm never asked to do European projects, I'm never asked to do projects abroad. It's a completely to be crass about it a completely white, probably because I'm never asked to do those projects. I've never been in 20 years, I've been invited to three international projects like. So I think there's something about it might be useful to use something like the Brexit thing to really tease out all the thinking that needs to happen around that and at which point that invitation for people to get involved in that piece of action happens. Because, actually, for that group, we, I feel, still being quite ignorant still feeling slightly outside of it, that I would need a lot of information on hand in written form, in whatever way resources, whatever the word is that will get me cross a mad about it, because it's so outside of what I'm doing in order for me to then feel that I could really bring something to the action. So I suppose what I'm saying is that, is there something about bespoke in that invitation for each bit of this work and thinking about what the end action is so that we know which point we bring the invitation in
is speaking and then poorly Thank you Gina No, you're absolutely right and that's what I was gearing towards is that, in terms of a project plan, you know, finding a way of inviting new people in identifying, let's say five, and picking numbers out of midair here, things and then letting each group say this is what we've been talking about, this is how we would like to engage and letting each of those groups, or even forming a group of people around to say, we're going to have this thing to talk about this, this, this is how we'd like to do it so, so that each. Each, each meeting, let's call it, again I'm talking very broadly here but in terms of a project plan. Each invitation is the appeals to the people that we were I mean that's really what we're trying to do is appeal to people who are like minded around those subjects and and and don't have to worry about all the other subjects because that's not, that's not what we're, that's not what this project is so. But absolutely, you have not misunderstood Chino, you will bang on. As ever, poorly and then Josie,
Sunita, did you not want to say, poorly speaking. I think also one of the things that slightly tricky is that it I think Brexit is a very good example in a way, and I think Chino, it's, it's, it's really useful to hear that, you know, that's a completely different lens on it and I'm ashamed to say I'd never considered that I mean I knew, I know that it only affects a certain small part of the workforce and the industry. The fact that that in itself is a carries of overtones of extraordinary racism in itself I fear I'm so sorry I had never been aware of my complete ignorance. But I do also think one of the things that we've been doing in that room around trying to educate MPs and such like is to see that it's around a wider ecology, and I think Brexit is very specific, but I think in a way, speaking truth to power, is, is almost, you know, it's like what how specific do we make it but then I think perhaps what we need to make it specific to is the things that we know within this room at the moment we can carry. So, you know, it's good Peter talking about five projects because in a way if we filter it down to five, it can become more another day but at the moment that's quantifiable while there, and capable with and while there are only a few of us, you know, and that we're swinging in and out quite a lot so we could support people coming into the space because that's really important because if we open the door wide and people are interested in an area, and there's no one to carry that flame as it were, then it, then it will all pitch away again so it needs to be things that we can deliver on, I think.
And Jersey in the now.
JC speaking, and yeah just sort of sort of agreeing with all the above. Just the thought that if we are doing sort of bespoke invitations for each group that we have identified that we already have a tiny flame of capacity for an energy for, then we can invite people into that room, and like stoke that fire as opposed to just go what do you want to talk about come and talk about it and then have no passengers do that. And also, we then have a model to in the future if someone goes, this is something I would like to talk about. To create an invitation around that and then open it out again, and, and ask for more people to come on board. So I guess it's a case of identifying what those specific call outs are at the moment, where the energy is at the moment. And what those projects and actions are,
and thought
I was just speaking, I feel like we've done quite a lot of this work already, in the last few months, that didn't come to fruition on the away day, but was very much about. It wasn't a finalized plan, it was an example of what it could be if these are some examples of groups and all those post it notes are conversations to be had in this room, or commerce part starts a conversation so on a very base level I suppose the idea is, we've got these four groups, and here's all the post it notes that are about that group, and we put all the people who want to talk about this in a room and hear all the post it notes to go through kind of thing, and to work out how, if we can actually some of them, what are they, and, and for each of those groups to sort out within themselves as to well how do we how do we work as a group. How do we, the practicalities of working as a group, do we have a meeting a week we have a meeting a month. Do we have a WhatsApp group or. But we've already got some ideas of what those groups are and we've already got a bucket load of conversation starters and issues and thoughts and that we've put on those posts ready to put in that room as it well, we've, we've got all that ready that's that's what that process was for. But we don't seem to have moved on to the next, the next bit of that. And the thought
piece of speaking Thank you out, Tino, I've got Mimi and then Josie, and then I sorry j flap up just then.
Yeah, and I mean just add, I think, sorry chinos speaking, I think there's coming back to the idea of what we throw back to the industry. I go part of the capacity now, is that there is no doubt it regardless what, what, how, or what people are running with, there is no doubt of the work that this group has done in the last 18 months. There is no doubt that everyone understands that we're all freelancers who are doing this work largely unpaid and unsupported by the industry. And I think that in that idea of demanding. What are you doing for freelancers that you were talking about pizza I think there's something in looking at the list that Vicki just posted freelancers and anti racism Brexit freelancers finance, like to me. There are about two or three of those things on that list that I would throw back to the industry to fix themselves in the same way I now stray back a lot of the equality and diversity stuff it's not my problem that you've built a systemic racist, it's been like system, it's not for me to fix it. And I feel like some of these things we can throw back in a kind of open invitation to the industry and I think that question of capacity and projects is is also being clear, and maybe a bit clever about actually freelancers finance, and that conversation and how that conversations had and how information is provided, and he provides that information that is something that can be thrown back to the industry, every building has a finance director, every building has that knowledge in those skills within them. We, it just doesn't feel like a piece of work that we should take on as a grade. And so, yeah, that was my only thoughts. Thanks Vicki for that list it felt really clarifying as well. And for
me,
mainly speaking, um, as we're talking about how we work, I find, personally, and I don't know how other people feel at all this talking, sometimes feels like we've talked enough and actually we need to break down and just do something. And we've refined quite well in this meeting what we, what we're lacking in the group which is time and people, and how we think we might start finding them. I guess I'm saying this as I can see we're 10 minutes from the end of the meeting. To me it really feels like we're ready to take a step forward, and we're all talking about how little time we have. I know from my personal honest perspective, I'd like to spend my time feeling like I'm making something happen now not just having these conversations. JC speaking.
Just an offer to start writing invitations get people that are interested. Send me over anything that like if you're in the Brexit group and you have capacity to write a little thing about what you're talking about in the Brexit group in invitations, send it to me and I can start formulating that stuff or do we want to have a meeting or slash, and do we want to have a meeting next week with anyone who has time, maybe to talk more about this and finalize those invitations so we can get them out, and we can start doing as opposed to talking and thought, okay,
he just because it was a really small thought in terms of the, but an important site in terms of the groups that Vicki had listed. I think we've had a conversation previously about our anti racism work and how that is as much internal as it is pointing at the industry so we recognize that freelancers are also part of that system and perpetuate that system and so I think we possibly have a little bit of my suggestion would be that we try and and shoot at least one person from each working group is part of our anti racism conversation, and that that possibly rotates and that would actually encouraging people to be involved in anti racism and access, as part of being a volunteer, that's not just shouting at the industry it's us dealing with the whiteness and the ableism in this room that inevitably will happen because of what would
you do poorly, and then chinos your hand up. No, it's,
um, I just, I think that's a really brilliant way of articulating what we were sort of trying to say were umbrellas, wasn't it, What you know something, an ethos that we absolutely have to hold. And I think that holds that central as well as ALS perhaps invitation for this, the FMT W equivalent to the Serenity Prayer or the three values that circulate and are sort of shared at the beginning of each meeting which feels like some really good mechanisms, Chino just going back to the question of something like freelance status finance freelancers finance. I agree and there's, there's actually an offer for UK theatre and salt, and the Arts Council to generate some work in that area. But there's also a need for some freelance voices to feed back into that. And that's one of the things that I think that as we push them, and there are places like the theater artists fund becoming a foundation and creating some really long term well, you know well considered bursaries, a little bit like the BBC model, the thing about being critical friends critical, you know, in these, that thing about consultation is something that will constantly come back to this room, and we need to ensure that the freelance voices fed healthily into those groups you know there's a really interesting question around. How many people wish they hadn't been pa ye, when they went into the pandemic, for instance, and if there was an opportunity to look at different models of freelance work, you know, payment structures that has to involve us even if we don't generate the work so there's a kind of consultation area that I think we do need to remain participants in. And I wonder, Josie in a world of moving this into action. I think it would be great to continue the conversation. I also wonder whether those of us who are working in certain areas could just articulate a little bit of a document around what the actions are that you might own what the interests and actions might be in the nature of the invitation for that area. From what Vic's put down, which I've, yeah so that's something we could, we could possibly work up into a doc this week, and then gather around and thought
he did I see a hand up and then I'm gonna need to close those down.
If we can, I think it's just something that's really important to float in terms of awareness and it fits in with the research group, as we're being asked to do consultation, which is what's happened with BBC. We need to be ensuring that there are people in these rooms that have done this kind of consultation before I celebrate that we're not experts and I want us to be a movement and I hope the organism work that I try and do embraces that and brings people into those things, but there's a lot of things in the BSE project that would have slipped through the net. Would it not for the fact that myself and Jess particularly have actively studied and researched and looked at the setup of a call outs, beyond just being people that applied to call out, and I think that sits in the world of anti racism and access and all of those things just because I'm disabled doesn't mean that I'm like an access specialist, it's actually a different thing. And I think we are being asked to do research and we're being offered money to do research, we need to get our house in order and start to acknowledge where other people could be doing it better and be bold enough in the research group that maybe their job is to find the right people, as I know that sounds obvious but I think we run the risk of FMT W and being co opted where we are this kind of stamp, and have this importance that actually we're not qualified to do which will stress us out, more than anything because there's nothing worse than thinking you've done a good job and someone else coming along, being like, you've undone a bit of something that actually, other people were doing well into thought.
JC speaking, sorry, sorry to drop this in right at the end of the meeting, but I don't know if we've had a conversation about processing. Doing a call out and then processing how we, like, If we have hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of applications, or even if it is an application process. I think we need to have a conversation about what happens once we've done the invitation, how we then process those responses, and how we kind of get people in. If, if anyone has capacity for a meeting next week about that that would be really handy so we can start thinking about that before we get invitations out so we don't suddenly have loads of responses and a panic.
I think we're not necessarily talking about invitations specifically but an open invitation to an open meeting. I obviously agree I mean I was going to just kind of do a recap action points because I think this is the action this week is in the way it should go is, I think, correct me if I'm wrong, we need to identify, let's say five let's say five could be four could be six but I'd say in terms of our ambition and learning from something if we get it wrong. We're only around five times or three times or whatever bad things to focus on, find the people, and this, we don't have to do all of this this week but find the people who will take a key lead in each one of those things so if there's a conversation or an open meeting who those point people are going to be for those meetings. They don't have to be at this meeting, it's just, we can talk about all if we get all of this in place we could talk about this again next Friday. So identify those things work out a process of what we think we're going to do a timeframe for when these meetings happen, I don't think they should all happen at the same time I think they can happen whenever we want them to, and learn from each one of them a bit like future labs so you know we could do two in one week and two in another week. Just see how we go or what responses we get, I'm not sure we'll be inundated, to be absolutely honest, I think history will record the take up on things like this isn't massive but I think if we get the invitation, right, and also reach out specifically to people, we might do better. But I do think it's a meeting, a sidebar meeting in the week, so that we can come back next week and be a little bit more focused and have a bigger plan. I'm happy to be involved in this bit of it because I like organization, and that's about it. Anybody else got anything else to say before we go, Josie perhaps you could put some feelers out for that meeting, just to remind everybody to fill in the anti racism poll for when you might be able to be available for a meeting this week although Wednesday afternoon. Wednesday day it's looking high on the list I think anybody else, anybody else look at that 1131 Thank you all. Lovely to see you really lovely to see you. Please come again and see in the week. They care about
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Hi.
How are you.
Good, how are you.
I'm good. I've been really poorly this week.
I saw I didn't, I didn't want to, I didn't want to cry. What's
I've just had this absolutely horrible cold.
Oh, this, there was snow on the news about absolutes inker doing the rounds.
Yeah, my partner. Yeah, she had it last week and then she, she went home on, she was feeling a lot better by Friday and then she went home on to see her mom on Saturday, and then as she was leaving, I was like, I feel really awful so I've literally had like just a week in my flat on my own feeling really, really BP. So that's boring. I think I'm on the tail end of it now which is good but yeah it's been really really nasty.
Oh, man,
same as on the news.
Yeah, my wife told me about this she's read something or saying something about this like Uber cold, doing the rounds at the moment, I didn't see it, but something about there it's just this route, and a lot of it's to do with, because so many people have not been well for the last 18 months, because we've been indoors, we've not been spreading stuff that our immune systems are quite low. Yeah, so when you get a cold because you've usually always got the remnants of a cold or something, that this is just a normal cold but it's just knocking everybody. Oh, systemic, she's just sent me the link.
Oh yeah, it's absolutely just horrible. And so many people that I know because there's been so many people going on might have COVID No, it's just this horrible cold.
Okay. It's the worst code, ever going around one day ago BBC. Yes. Hey is.
And it is very much, it's not COVID I've, I've had lots of COVID tests and it's not COVID, but you still just feel absolutely crap.
We've got our school, obviously, the last eight months hasn't been open for the whole eight months but in the school I think it's been during this time it's been three cases maybe four that we've been made aware of Coronavirus this week. This was five. In this week.
Oh my god. Yeah, they having they, how are they dealing with it they isolate, like what are they doing.
Yeah, so if you, if they test positive, they have to self isolate 10 days, so the children that the child is off school. But what happened last time was the boat because they were in school bubbles, the bubble would also be sent home but that's not happening now. So, that's the kids, they're all at school.
So they still in bubbles or not, no
air bubbles, no social distancing.
Maybe that's why I find cases in a week.
Yeah, well there was a thing yesterday I saw I think was in Scotland the secondary school, where they had 50 cases in the secondary school so they're asking all the pupils to start wearing masks again in the, in the corridors and classrooms. Joy. Corral around. And
what I thought was,
that was a positive meeting, I think. We talk a lot. And there was a lot of talk again. But I do feel as though destined to be a bit more underneath the talk, there was a bit more of a passion or drive to have some practical solutions.
Yeah, I actually felt excited at the end, but
I really wanted to raise that about circumstance as you get it whether you shed or whether you're just rolling donation since you all wrote about a lot of this work that we're talking about the groundwork is there. And we are we are literally have it all on a plate. To say, here are 10 groups that we can set up 10 meetings and 10 email distribution lists, or a WhatsApp group. And within those 10 groups we have 50 posts that are ready to be dropped on the laps of that group to be, not, not in, not all sorted, but he go guys, this is, this is what he is fit. Yeah, it's all there ready to go. And I know capacity is an issue but I still feel as though we've just tried, we might find that actually this works, and if it doesn't, Then that's fine but we still not tried it. Yeah, with, I feel so we inched a bit closer to it today.
Yeah, I mean there's some groups in that they were like, Oh, we still don't know how we work and actually, I think we do a bit, I think we do. And there were some groups like like Chino said like the anti racism that needs to be and then we've obviously that's the conversation we've already had and like access is the same like, yes, we should be throwing back that back to the industry and go this is a problem but it's also a problem here and we need to make sure that within the stuff we are doing we are not perpetuating that issue. Like, housekeeping, so anti racism and access are both housekeeping. And then, most of the other things are just groups that we've already identified and the one that isn't currently being talked about, but I think should be, because there definitely will be capacity for this, his well being, I think, I think if we did a call out to the wider industry and said, like tea breaks or you know just kickstart in that again, it would be so easy, and there would be appetite for it and there's definitely people who were like yes just a little bit of like, it's essentially like HR isn't it for, for community people that don't have a HR department is essentially just
quants etc, as well, like we did with the tiebreaks I would do with the boxing, I let it go with the dog course that that little group runs it and sells, as long as we update, people with this is what's on. I agree, I think we could quite easily fill a week of weekly one or two things, a day that people would be happy to volunteer an hour of their time to do do accents on whatever day, or I do dance, the daily dance kind of thing that kind of stuff. I think would be able to fill a week of content that that individual person or group has ownership over, but that the well being, group have purview in terms of making sure that we've got 10 dance classes and nothing else kind of thing that would be. I agree entirely.
Well, I think I would propose that like because I'm happy to. I also think it's going to be one of those things that like you say, it's really hard to update the community if we're not making if we're not doing anything, and if we are doing those things, then that is literally a walk, like at this event we did this and it's just, it seems it seems insignificant, but it's actually community, and like that's one of the massive things that we've identified. And I think, alongside the groups that Vicki has proposed, I would be super, super happy to like head up that well being, section, and like put that in and then be be the person for that.
I think it's going to be more with the well being, because it's going to be community sourced is going to be more the organization of it in some ways anyway, isn't it. Yeah, setting up accounts and logins and things like that for people to run their own class and just making sure that it runs on time and we don't overlap and that they adhere to our values and stuff but I agree. A lot of this stuff, just, we just need to start doing stuff we need to start committing to a Brexit meeting once a fortnight is a bit like the Friday group, it's is at the same time. It's that place, and you know that I've done that job. And I can I can absorb information throughout the week, bring it back into the room the following weekend that is all I need to do, and I feel good about that, and it's moving something forward conversations are happening at the moment, we're just meeting up on a Friday for two hours and continue a conversation from four months ago, let alone. Four weeks ago. And yeah, that's why I kind of wanted to say. I think the everything that you're saying is great but a lot of we've done a lot of this, and it's not perfect, but let's not start again, when we have so much get ready, literally to just go bomb. Yeah, it's ready it's there.
Do you think the i tag again because I had to check out for this doctor's which really annoying but did they, was there anything about how the invitation would be shared.
No So we've talked a little bit about, would it would it be like a newsletter or but there was no kind of practical solution as to identifying where that would be shared.
Now, I think, I think tweeter and newsletter. And because purely because I had a conversation with my friend Carmel who is amazing. We went to uni together and she literally has not she came back she graduated went straight she's, she does production, and a phase manager. She literally came out of uni about six years ago just went, walk straight into freelance work and she's been working ever since. She's incredible. And, And I yeah I invited her to. to FM CW because I thought she'd just be great for this room, and she said she was like, since FM CW started, I've just been looking for for my n, like I've been looking how to get involved. And I feel like we've always been a bit like from what I've heard, we've always been a bit of a closed door, which is difficult. And I obviously haven't been here the whole time so I don't know how true that is. But I think that she was basically like I've literally just been waiting for, like, some, some access point to start working on this. So if we open it to the community I think there was appetite.
I mean, I think so. I think you're right I don't think there's been too much of a closed door it's been that concern of what we don't want to be doing is have 50 people come join us, and we have to handhold them. And actually we end up not nothing gets done. We need people who are going to come in and start running straight away, in order to help, and move stuff forward, I think it was more that because there's a lot of people who perhaps want to be seen to be doing something, or might be like yeah popular meetings and actually drop a couple of grenades in, and then leave, and it not be at all helpful, and the opposite actually be quite a destructive thing. So I think there was that at the start. And also, so we did the first the big influx of people that we had, and then the retention of that influx of people were so minimal, I think there's a bit of trepidation of doing it again. I think there are ways of doing it I always come back to the with the newsletter that those people who've opted in to receive our information they're not just seeing it, They are actively asking for it. So people who read the newsletter, reading it because they're interested. So I always think even though it's our smallest community of freelancers that we talk to, it's actually our most engaged community of freelancers that we talk to, and then there is also kind of an auction of, I think I sent it around a couple of times, actually there's a website where it says we need help with, and it had all these different things and you can literally put your name in and kind of what it was. Now, I've got it bookmarked somewhere. Because it was thought I wouldn't need this at some point, take a European movement.co.uk chat and I think I've probably you've probably seen this before. If you scroll down, it's how can you help, Please select all that apply and you select the things that you have an interest in. Yeah. And it just puts them into a database that can then be called upon as and when needed. Now that's that's a catch all and not as personalized, in terms of approaching people, but it's always that that could be step two, if we find that step one didn't work or when we can tailor all this to well, we need these three things at the moment. And you can hover over it and you'll be able to see what it's about and what the, the time it was this this group meets twice a month, and conversations usually happen this on Zoom for an hour. I report back to the main group, your commitment isn't much, but we talk about these kinds of things I'm interested in that puppy and Amen.
Yeah, that's why. Yeah,
I think that's quite a simple way of doing it. Yeah.
And it's also not like. It's not like we're in massive exposure, like you know it's not like we're gonna get anyone like loads of jobs or anything. It's very much like hard work for no money. So, yeah, people that come along, are going to be people that, that are interested in doing that and it's.
Yeah, and it's not a thing again if. Is that good enough is greater than. Yes. And a lot of this stuff is, it's not, it's not perfect, but it really is good enough, just starting to move us down the lane again. This week, we've just been stuck in first gear for neutral so long now. And even this conversation we've had this conversation a million times, it just feels like today, we teetered on the edge of moving forwards.
Well I'm going to try and get. I'm going to do a call out within FM CW, that says, if you're in any of these groups, and have a little bit time to write. Like, what Polly said like, basically what the group is doing at the moment, and the invite, what the invite might be for this, please send it over, and then also try and get a date in the diary, next week, for anyone who can to meet.
Yeah, to meet and chat about invitations and next steps. And
so that's a good one. And I think, I think we've got to start. Because sometimes maybe we asked too much people in one go, I don't think we do but maybe we do that using things like the the Brexit group had a meeting last week as an example of subtly I project group working, and the big projects that, that when we're in these smaller groups it does work. So like, for instance, the well being thing, just since it just got set up and we were having a wellbeing meeting a Coach B me and you to start in these meetings by we're having a meeting about this if anybody wants to join this wellbeing group this is what we're going to talk about and it's happening on this, this time in this day and we we just start doing things like that. So, this is a meeting about this, and it's going to happen then rather than have to keep asking, and dragging people to just commit to a day that we can do I think stuff like the anti racism is or that is that is more important to make sure as many people get there. But if we're just trying to ignite some fires a little bit, maybe we should just start booking into meetings if there's a wellbeing meeting happening, whatever day at this time, we're going to talk about reaching out to the community see if anybody wants to offer that we can help them offer some stuff through our platform.
Great. Would you want to have you got time to do that next week, because then if.
Well, I wonder if I wonder. I do absolutely, but I wonder if we have to say to on next Friday, this is what we're going to start doing Josie and myself we're going to put it, we're going to put a meeting in next week about because somebody might be like, No, we shouldn't do that at all that's terrible way of doing it, something again isn't it I'm asking before we do it but I kind of feel as though maybe we could just start setting a bit of a, I'd say maybe we just do do.
I think,
I mean, again, it's that thing of good enough is is perfect, like,
Yeah, I'm available next week anyway so I'm back to having no work again.
I've got a new Fitbit and it keeps telling me to do more steps and it's I'm not enjoying it.
Same as mine. Yeah, that's worth it. It's my Fitbit as well. It feels a Fitbit Fitbit on it. My mind doesn't say Fitbit on it.
Mine's a little secondhand one from a partner.
I see I've turned off the reminders,
I think I need to do that.
Because that, because I do I get my steps in, in the day, I just don't do them every hour.
Yeah, I do like I haven't done many steps today but I am getting my SATs in Germany this week has been a bad example though because I've been poorly.
Yeah of course. So,
we're given, I've cut myself some slack this week. So,
Wix. Yes. So, basically, we're ready to go at this and in order to transfer everything away from Wix. What I need a you don't need to do anything. But what I need to know is that you're not doing anything during the time we do it. That makes sense. So, I need to know when you're going to be hands off the emails, so we can go in and do it. Well, if you've got a busy day today. Then I'll do it on Monday, I'll do it next week.
I think it's, let me just have a look at the moment I think it's probably best to do it today. I mean, all I need to do today really is send out the minutes, which are very thin on the ground because I wasn't there for a massive amount of it. And so, if you give me an hour. Yes, that okay and then I can use that if I if I'd be off, I aim to be off by one. And then, and I'll just send you a message and say that I'm, I'm done.
Yeah, you just send me a message when you're done. Cool. And then I would, I would suggest don't log back in until you hear from me. Cool.
Should I log out.
Yeah, I might as well.
Cool. Okay. I will do that then,
and then we'll start, we'll start the process, and we're just gonna basically backup all the emails, first and then re link the accounts to the new server.
This does this mean we're gonna, we're gonna have JCR freelances and Alastair freelances. That's exciting.
Let me check. How many, how many email addresses do we get, which, oh unlimited unlimited 109 minutes.
That's really exciting.
It's so exciting.
We can both have
unlimited it is unlimited.
Great.
Cool.
Okay, well I'll get I'll get to work on the, on the minutes,
you just tell me when you're out, and then I'll tell you when you can go back in. Cool. And hopefully it will be seamless and you won't notice anything change. It all depends on the main switch over a matter of minutes to a matter of days. Okay, so it's probably best we do over the weekend. Then we started started today. If you're quiet we can finish it mentally. Cool, Josie is just saying she's just gonna send the minutes out from today, which will be done in an hour, and then in theory is nothing else for the rest of the day is there, switching a domain from Wix to SiteGround so that all has to sort itself out and it can take hours, it can take days. Okay, doesn't normally take more than 24 hours, okay. And then you've got sort of emails. So the site the domain switches first and then the emails, okay great. But
the domains attached to the email so once you do
that, it's going to knock knock us all off anyway.
Okay. So, starting this afternoon is actually probably best anyway. Yeah, Cuz
then if it does take 24 hours at least one the week, it's over the weekend anyway. Cool. Amazing.
Cool. Have a nice day. Well the nice feature later.
