Sure. I'll back up actually a little bit more to give you the listeners a little bit of background. So back in 2008 when the DNC and RNC were at Denver and Saint Paul, there were lots and lots of protesters that were arrested. This was during the Occupy Wall Street movement. And the NPPA board asked, Hey, you know, what can we you think for the next convention in 2012 see what we can do to avoid that happening, and I'd been doing, and still continue to do a lot of training with journalists about what their rights are, but I really came to realize very soon that journalists knowing their rights, or even saying I know my rights, was oftentimes the last thing you get to say before hearing turnaround put. Hands behind your back, you're undressed, if they even got that courtesy. And so I thought, well, maybe we can start doing some training with law enforcement, if that's possible. And you know, one of the things my background is, I was a photojournalist in both print and broadcast for over 40 years, but I've also been a uniform reserve sheriff's deputy in Erie County New York for almost the same amount of time. And so I think that helped me a little bit in terms of having some credibility. So in 2012 when the NATO summit was to take place in Chicago, we were very worried because, because Illinois had this draconian law that if you recorded, whether, more particularly, audio, a police officer performing his or her duties without their permission, and you were charged and convicted, you could go to jail for 10 years. And the ACLU had challenged that law, but the law was still on the books, there was a ruling that it was unconstitutional in the District Court. It went up on appeal to the Seventh Circuit. We filed an amicus, along with another, a friend of the court brief, along with many other news organizations, and we were really worried that there were going to be journalists coming from all over the country, all over the world, who had no idea about this law and could be subject to it. The superintendent then had promised that they wouldn't enforce that law. Well, that's all well and good, but fortunately, the Seventh Circuit actually struck it down as unconstitutional, like five days before the convention. In the meantime, I had offered the Chicago Police to do First Amendment training with them, and I did it along with Greg Leslie from the Reporters Committee for freedom in the press. We trained about did the training with about 250 supervisory officers, and then I was back in Chicago in May for that NATO Summit. It was extremely unseasonably hot. There were lots of officers who were in their turtle suits. So, you know, think about how you'd feel if you're getting baked in the sun for hours and hours, you know. And police learned a lot there too, not to have everybody out there dressed in that battle armor, as it were, for so many hours, but to keep them off to the side until they're they're needed. At any rate, we were, we were fortunate that only at least as far as I knew, one photojournalist got arrested, Josh Lott from Getty, and I got a call from another photographer from Getty to tell me that, and I ended up calling the chief there, who I had contact with, told her that journalist was arrested. She said she'd look into it. About 20 minutes later, she called me back and said, Yes, he was arrested. He was charged with felony inciting a riot, and I'm kind of staring into my phone, you know, this long pause. You can imagine the look on my face, like, seriously, Chief, I might have even said that. And she said, Yeah, I know. Let me, let me see what I can do. And 20 minutes later, she called me back to say, Yeah, we reduced it down to disorderly. We found out where he was. We went there with a local lawyer, lawyer Steve Mandel, was able to get him out. That charge was later dismissed, so I was hoping we could do that again. Not have journalists arrested, but having training, it took me part of my problem, and I think other people, as well as finding the right person, the person that gets it, that understands you're not trying to sell them something. You're not trying to do anything but talk to them about the constitutional rights that police officers swear and oath to uphold. They were telling me, You know that? Yeah, they had done enough training, and they basically said, Thank you, but, but no thanks, which was the exact opposite of what had happened a few weeks earlier in Milwaukee. In Milwaukee, it took me a while in 2020 before covid started to find the right person. I did. Covid came Milwaukee wasn't going to have their convention, at least they weren't going to have the DNC back in 2020. They hosted the RNC this year. But the chief there asked me to do the training anyway, which I did. Turned out that he, four years later, I still had his cell phone number, and he was the mayor's Chief of Staff, and he was very appreciative that I called and he talked to the Milwaukee folks, and so I ended up doing a training with them. As far as I can tell. You know, I look at what I do is like chicken soup. It may not help, but it doesn't hurt. Nothing bad happened in Milwaukee. There were no incidents. I think that had more to do that there were very few, if any protests. I think that had to do with the fact that the RNC was starting very shortly after the assassination attempt on Donald Trump, and I think everything was a whole lot lower key than it was at the DNC in Chicago, and I'm sorry that was a very long answer to get to where we need to be.