about that, yeah, you know, I must start by saying, you know, there's many schools of architecture in the UK who deliver, you know, excellent an excellent program, excellent programs with excellent results and candidates graduating from those programs. But I think the ARB, the architects Registration Board, recognized recently, in those two years that there needs to be a radical shift in how architectural education is delivered, because it's essentially too long, too expensive, too complicated, and there's an awful lot of consist inconsistency in how it's delivered. Now, it's not saying every every school of architecture should be exactly the same, but there's recognized problems with it, and it's because it's expensive and it's long, it's become slightly exclusive, or a leader, Stephen, if I can use that word, and it prevents those from necessarily under under representative, under privileged backgrounds, from it, from entering it as a profession. So that's one consideration. But from my own experience of I learned so much in the period from probably when I was 23 when I started down this route to when I was completed. But Newcastle poly was sorry, 1987 888, almost everything I learned was in the workplace, on site, working alongside experienced colleagues. I probably the greatest insight I got from purely from academic side, was learning about learning about contracts and appointments and contract law and risk management. I suppose that was that was really well delivered in an academic context. But everything else about design and implementation regulation was learned from the workplace. So having a program which blends practical experience with with academic learning, it's really got to be the way forward in my, you know, in my estimation, the other thing is that we, probably around 2013 we this conversation about, you know, within the UK, about architectural education being at a crossroads, or at a point where it needs to be rethought has been going on now for many years, but around 2013 it was our, I think, was our 60th anniversary as a practice at the time, because the practice was found in 1953 we started talking to some of our built environment consultancy peers in the North East. And I'm talking about businesses like Arabs, Sir Robert, McAlpine, Turner, Townsend, Faulkner, browns, not small organizations. But you know, have a have a UK international reach as well. And I think we all felt that we all wanted something more from architect for suffering, build environment education. So we decided to collaborate, collaborate and design our own program, which was a blend of practical experience and academic learning, but very much based on, you know, learning in the workplace and designing something that would allow candidates to not have to take out student loans, and could learn and earn at the same time. So we developed a program which is now known as Plan B, which the reason is called Plan B. It stands for plan for built environment education. That's the acronym. So we launched this officially back in 2016 we managed to get it off the ground. Our original aspiration was that it would lead into a degree program. We did speak to a number of universities at the time, and for whatever reason, it was difficult for them to align their funding or their structures to respond to that at the time. So it's currently run as a pre degree level program, which is for those familiar with UK educational structures, it's level four, level five. But basically what it involves is, is an apprentice joining the program, normally from from a levels in the UK, or T levels, which is level three high school, and then being employed centrally by an apprenticeship agency, which then will place the candidate or the student in a six different work placements over two years. So they'll do four. Months working in a variety of businesses. It could be an architectural practice, an engineering consultancy, a contractor's office or a site the Quantity Surveyor, cost management business, project management business could be a building services, mechanic and electrical engineering business. So it's a variety of experiences over four months. Each paid a salary, and they will study one day a week in a college academic environment. And they will gain a huge amount of experience during that time. They will not end up with any debt as a result of the program. And once they graduate, they can then normally progress into an advanced entry into a career in architecture engineering, construction management, cost management, and we've had over a well of 105 I think, 100 under five graduates from the program since we launched officially in 2016 and the program now operates in Newcastle, Manchester and London, and we're very proud of that. And as all the other family sponsors, the likes of Ericsson, we've now got over 60 businesses in the UK supporting that program. And basically, the sponsor business will will pay the salary of an apprentice, and they will host an apprentice during that two year period in rotation. In brief, that's how the program works, and we're very keen to spread the word about that program. We, through our Vancouver office, we've managed to establish an affiliated program with British Columbia Institute of Technology in Vancouver. It's not quite the same structure, but it follows the similar principles, and that's now in its second year in Vancouver. So we think the model of the template works, works. Well,