So they spend some time pointing out why shooting underhanded is such a better strategy. When you're at free throw line, it's just fewer moving parts. The arms are in a natural position. The ball is lofted up to the basket softly, and so even if it's not quite on target, better chance it's going to roll in is just better mechanics. And the question that we're looking at is, okay, that's a better way to shoot demonstrably. Anyone who's tried it has been able to improve their percentage. So why? Why? Why don't why doesn't anybody do that right now in professional basketball, not right now. This podcast was done a few years ago. In professional basketball, there were two people who shot underhanded. One was an American, Nigerian who from another continent, and the other was Rick Berry's son. Nobody shoots underhanded, and even will Chamberlain, who had so much success with it, gave it up, and he said in his autobiography, I felt like a sissy throwing the ball that way. You know, they, one of the people on the production team, went to the Columbia women's team and asked them, you know, well, this is, if you look like a girl shooting the shot, maybe, maybe the women would shoot it this way. And they called it a granny shot, and said, Nobody shoots that way. It's kind of mind boggling, and especially mind boggling to Rick Berry, who is just totally set on winning and does not understand why anyone would let anything else stand in the way. And he worked with a lot of different players, and even though they were successful, and they began to shoot more. None of them would do it in front of their peers, in front of an audience. In fact, Rick Barry, when his father told him he should shoot underhanded, objected. Said, I'll look like a sissy. Guys are going to make fun of me. And his father told him, Rick, if you're making them, they can't make fun of you. And he said, the first time he tried, it was at an away game somewhere in New Jersey, this is as a high school player. And he heard someone in the sand say, Barry, you look like a sissy. And then he heard the guy sitting next to him says, Yeah, but he's making them all and that was it. That was Rick Barry was sold, and he did that for his career, and he taught a number of other people the problem with a great player like Chamberlain not being able to shoot free throws is at the end of the game you want your best player in there, but if you give the ball to Chamberlain, or later in NBA history, if he gave the ball to Shaquille O'Neal, they just foul him. Somebody goes and fouls him. He tries to shoot a free throw. He misses other team gets the ball. Instead of being his team star player, at the end of the game, he becomes a liability. And it's interesting to speculate on how many championships Chamberlain would have won if he just had the wherewithal to forget about what other people thought and do what worked Barry actually worked with Shaquille O'Neal, and Shaquille finally said, Nah, I can't do it. I'm a hip hop guy. It's, it's, it's your the way you look to other people, for almost everyone, is more important than whether you succeed or fail. And as you may have surmised, we're going to generalize from from this phenomenon that Malcolm Gladwell presented so well. I