#127: Cyclical Living in a Linear World with Sussana Christine | The Quiet Rebels Podcast with Mai-kee Tsang
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Hello, my wonderful quiet rebels. I am so excited for this conversation today. Because there's a word that I've been using just to describe the way that I now show up in a way that's so much more sustainable. And when I met my guests that I'm about to introduce in just a second. Like he just completely owned this word. And I love it. So today we're actually going to be talking about cyclical living in the linear wealth. And who better to speak with us about this than the wonderful Susana Christine. So Susanna. Hi. Welcome to the podcast.
Hello. I'm so excited to be here. Yes.
Oh, gosh. I remember when you wrote out this line. I was like, Yes. Like I don't even need to know exactly what it entails. But just yes to all of this. So I'm just so curious. When we talk about cyclical living. You You mentioned the menstrual cycles and lunar cycles, seasonal cycles, creative cycles, so many cycles that we could work with. But before we get into all of that goodness, I'm just curious, like, what is it about the cyclical pneus of these cycles that made you want to talk about this?
That's a good question to start with. It's my own lived experience of not living, you know, in connection with my body, and it really influenced my life in a very significant way. So, before I even understood what it meant to be cyclical, I very much lived a very disconnected life. And then along came chronic illness that kind of knocked me down, and made me reevaluate. And it has been very much a path to understanding and embracing this cyclical way of being and what I've come to, to learn through my own, you know, healing process is that a human experience is cyclical. You know, we, we live in the natural world. And the natural world itself, like everything environmentally, is cyclical, there's the seasons of the earth. As human beings, hormonally, biologically, we are also in constant motion. And so very much we're cyclical beings living in a cyclical world. And there's this we kind of, we go against that, in terms of sort of, you know, this, the world is very much linear in terms of production and, and constantly doing and always being on. And it disconnects us from our cyclical nature.
Oh, gosh, I'm just like nodding away here. Now. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Because one of the things I was going to ask you, though, what do you think it is that makes us disconnect from our cyclical nature as a whole? And you mentioned the linear world? Could you venture further into that like, like, what is it that can stop us? What are the most common roadblocks that you see in people who aren't quite in a position where they fully honour their cyclical nature?
Some of the common roadblocks is, we're conditioned from a very young age, to move in this linear fashion in the world. And so from the moment we are born, there's this ultimate structure and systems that are placed on us to continue moving forward. So if we think about you know, as children, we learn by going to school, then from that point on, there's, there's the next phase after school, then there's work, so then you're getting to work and to build from that, that place and to end to move forward, you need to continually being producing. And it's always moving forward. And the thing about the linear world is it doesn't then take into consideration, our capacity, our energy, and how it fluctuates, and ebbs and flows. You know, there's no flexibility, there's no opportunity for rest, and reflection, and for, you know, really embracing our human experience and the nuance that that comes with that. And so the linear world is very much hustle, grind, push. And that's necessary to a certain extent, or, you know, for the world to go around, like we still need to be producing and showing up and doing, but at the same time, we also need to honour our capacity and their energy and where we're at, and to be flexible and to take moments of pause, to take rest, to be able to look inwards and see, you know, this is how I'm feeling. Whereas there's not that flexibility and that opportunity when we work in that very much always on always producing, always doing Way, Way is a cyclical way of living gives you that opportunity. And to be in rhythm with the natural cycle, whether that's your biological cycles, such as your menstrual cycle, whether that's environmentally with the seasons of the Earth, or even our personal cycles, such as how we create, or you know, our intuition and when we tell that shows up and tap, you know, we tap Been to that. And so it's this, the secret of a way of living is this beautiful flow, which is natural, it comes natural to us. And it's instinctive. And whether we're conscious of it or not, it's still there. And we lose that we are conditioned, very young, and very early on in life, to move in that linear way forward. And to discount and to not connect or be aware of the fact that we are actually secretly
Yeah, I can when you said school, I just immediately thought, yeah, I remember waking up at the same time every single day, and you know, going to school for X amount of hours. And it just everything just felt like it was so autopilot where I mean, like, these days, you know, I'm not in school anymore. I've graduated from university quite a long time ago. And I still judge myself for not being an early bird, for example, for the nine to fivers in the world. And I actually met a fellow night owl, there are quite a, I even feel that fellow night owls are kind of like we're kind of a hidden in plain sight, and almost don't want to own that because it's not the quote unquote ideal because like, oh, it's not productive to only do think that no, you have the whole morning from 4am to do that, like good for you if you can, but I'll be quite honest, it's not uncommon for me to stay up until 4am. And the reason why is because my lip my personal life, my partner, who is a very dear part of my life, she comes home super late, sometimes two in the morning, because of like, how far away Hoback is, right? If I honoured the earlybird 4am Rising, I would never see her, and this is my life partner. So that doesn't seem to make sense. That's one thing. And second thing in my business in itself. Most the majority of my clients actually are on a different time zone to me when later on in the day is actually their morning or early afternoon. So it makes sense business wise and life life. And yet, I still judged myself for not being a super early bird. The only time I ever AM, is when I fly to the US and my timezone. My time clock has gone a bit funky. And then and then I'm like, Okay, now I'm an early bird. So I'm just like, yeah, basically, I'm feeling everything that you said about being conditioned. So early on, and to kind of like ingrain, that sense of judgement, if we don't fit in with a quote unquote, norm, but there are plenty of us who work outside the nine to five period. And yeah, it's just definitely take some time to start integrating. So that brings me to my next question. And that is like, how did you even begin to get started with integral or which side type of cycle? Did you start honouring? First, I'm very curious about that.
So for me, in the cycle that really resonates, and I lean on the most, personally, is my menstrual cycle. And again, that's very closely tied to, you know, my experience of living with a chronic illness and what that entails and the impacts it has on my health. And so I started off very clearly tracking my cycle for the symptoms. So I could have those conversations at every specialist appointment of what was going on physically for me. And it's, I've been in this lifestyle, you could call it of cyclical living now for about nine years. And it was, it's been this gradual process and uncovering and exploration of what it means to be a cyclical being in a cyclical world. And really just, it's when I look back on those nine years, kind of go, well look how much I know about myself now. And yet still, as as an emerging business owner, I'm my third year into my coaching business. And I'm very much emerging and learning along the way, I still find myself influenced by this conditioning of the linear world. And it's only now in my third year of business, still emerging, where I've said to myself, or come to this realisation, I really need to move at my own pace. And to honour that, because that's how I function best. That's how I can best show up in my business and how I I create and what I share and what inspires me, and how I can be of service to myself but also to my clients and community. And for me, it's very much a lifestyle. Now it's very much a part of who I am I talk about, you know, cyclical living with a lot of people, you know, personally, my own life, but also in my business, and also in random places like the supermarket. I've had conversations, when I'm buying menstrual products, with cable, like, it's very much a part of who I am. But it always was, it was learning to embrace that it was exploring what it means for me. And what that looks like for me, well, how that feels like, for me. Now, how does it feel to live cyclically is probably the best place to start? Like, how does it feel? Because they will look and feel so different for each and every one of us. You know, if we think about the menstrual cycle, not all of us have a menstrual cycle, we may be administrating bodies, but not all of us at different points in our lives will have a menstrual cycle. And for some of us who may not have a cycle for whatever reason that may be we may feel more drawn to the lunar cycle. And so the moon itself isn't always full, isn't always on. There's moments of darkness where build up to that fullness, and you see the full moon and you're like, wow, look at this. Look at the moon shining, you know, like, I do. Glory. Like there she is. She's arrived.
Yeah, I literally the last full moon that happened. I literally stopped in the middle of the street, like not on the road or anything, but like on the pavement, and I just went off just an aura of it. It was so stunning. It was beautiful. And before we go into Lunas Agatha, I just want to acknowledge for anyone who's listening, when we speak about the menstrual cycle that you already touched on it as well already. So you don't know. I just want to say when we speak about the menstrual cycle, we mean anyone who who bleeds, right? Or in your in what you said as well, which I love that you acknowledge that like, you can be a menstrual being without having a menstrual cycle. So like, just want to say that for anyone who like heard the word military, like, Oh, I'm not sure this applies to me. It might. But that's why I love that we're talking about different types of cycles as well, because, you know, the moon exists for us all, as well. So just want to say thank you for acknowledging that. And because the lunar cycle is one that I I personally started integrating first, I think the first one that naturally came to me was the seasonal cycle that I found in business towards the winter time, like everyone starts kind of like reflecting for the new year and just to start looking back on like, what was what was great what was not so great this year. So business wise, and life wise, like yes, like, I know that when we start, like at least in the UK anyway. Where we do have most meaning cold weather then we do warm but as soon as it hits like September October, we start getting the gloves and their coats and their hats and scarves and everything. And we started wanting to be more home and just kind of like doing like really like warm Coastie kind of activities like puddles with the kids or just whatever that is. So the seasonal cycle of life that the spring, summer, autumn and winter, as I started noticing, anytime I had a particularly emotional, emotionally charged time, let's just say I would speak to my friend and she is like she's, she's my spiritual guide. I wouldn't quite call her a mentor. I've worked with her but she doesn't claim myself a mentor anyway, but she would always tell me, me, it's the full moon. And she would keep telling me this over and over and slowly but surely, I started looking into like how actually am in like, I don't know, every single phase. I know that the moon like it waxes and wanes or like you said it's periods of darkness. And then it doesn't build up to its full glory, the full moon. So I've only really started doing rituals around the new moon and the full moon. That is just I'm just so curious about your thoughts on like how you started integrating the lunar cycle into your life just taking that into consideration with how you want to show up at times. At times, but you also feel like no, it's okay. It's my time for treatment best. So what's that been like for you?
You know, I, I have to say, I love how you say that. I don't know all the phases of the moon. And like, neither do I, and I'm a cycle coach.
Something pressing, I think there's,
like, so many,
you're like wasting crusting or something.
There's, you know, there's all sorts. And so I, I, when I talk about it in my work, it's more the there's four primary phases of the moon. So there's the new moon, the first quarter moon, the full moon, and then the last quarter moon or the three quarter moon. So we think about that it's in the seasonal way. The New Moon is winter,
spring, summer. Okay, that helps so much. Yeah. So it's building
up to that energy, winter is very much, you know, it kind of like things pause, or rest. And so the moon is still like it's building up, it's waxing, the energy is increasing to its fullness with the full moon. And so I love that you touched on that, because I enjoyed stress out, because even I like it to anyone listening, you hear, like, I don't know, I just stayed in the sky, and it looks beautiful. That's okay. However, I will state it's called time and date.com, I believe. And you can put in there, it talks about the moon phases, the sun, the planets, very fascinating. And you can put in there where you're located. And it will tell you the four primary phases, if you feel like I want to align my life to the lunar cycle, and you can put in where you live. And it will tell you this is when the New Moon is this is when the first quarter moon is the full moon. And so it gives you this kind of cyclical framework. And I've pretty much been leaning into and playing with the lunar cycle and how that may translate into my business. And very much I see similarities, the similarities in all the cycle and cyclical frameworks that we'll touch on today. The thing about the loose I gives you this starting point is in business, if you're planning say, on creating something, or putting something out in the world, following the cycle of the moon, gives you this space, an opportunity to be and do at the same time. So you don't have to just be in that phase of just creating. And so I've lent into looking at my business, when I share things, you know, when I when I'm sitting in the ideas, space and the inspiration space and just collecting that what comes through for me, and that is the new minutes usually a good time to set those intentions. Similarly, if you have a menstrual cycle, when you're menstruating is also sort of akin to that, that phase with with the new moon, and then starting to put those ideas into action around the first quarter moon. So as you move to that phase, as you build up that, that energy, you start creating, putting things together, and then the full moon being that time of sharing or creating. And then as you move into that third quarter phase towards that darkness again, just before the new moon, it's that time to sort of evaluate and analyse and reflect. And so I've been playing with that in my business a little bit. But again, because I lean more to the menstrual cycle, like it's the one that resonates with me most it and my menstrual cycle and the lunar cycles don't line up and they don't have to absolutely not. There are people out there who played on the new moon amazing. And then there's people who ovulate on the full moon. And it looks nice on paper, so to speak. But we're all very much moving at our own rhythm. And so we don't have to necessarily fit these these boxes like Yeah, yeah, it's kind of like there's these each cyclical framework has its own characteristics, and archetypal characteristics and experiences and then there's your own personal experience, as well and that's the personal experience is the one that counts.
I love that you said that. Because immediately when we got into a little bit more of the nitty gritty, I thought to myself like, of course, I need to remember this, this, this, this, but I love that you said like, look, some cycles may not align, and it really depends on which one has the most resonance for you and relevancy, as well, because I do follow the moon cycle, but quite loosely, still intentionally. But again, I don't know all of the phases, and something that came up as we're speaking about the different phases. For anybody who's ever tried, it's kind of like a biscuit but also kind of a cake is called jaffa cakes. And it's basically a spongy, Kiki biscuit, where the sponge at the bottom there's a bit of orange jelly and chocolate on top. And basically, like anybody who's ever had a Jaffa Cake there, they'll probably know this advert. But basically, there was a teacher, and they'll circle time with the kids, when they're like telling stories and things. And she brings out this Jaffa cake from the boss, and she goes full moon, and she takes about half moon, she eats the whole thing and just totally eclipsed. I mean, like, that's how I first learned about how the moon changes that occurred, I was always curious, as a child, I was like, Oh, why is the moon changing. But now I know. But I do want to say as well as well as our time and date.com or the, or the actual website, which I'll be sure to pop in the links. By the way, for those of you who are curious about that website, I also recommend checking out the moon app. So if you just own whichever phone you have, whether it's Android or Apple, go to your app store and just type in moon app. And the little thumbnail of what the app looks like on your phone is like the moon. And basically, I get notifications when like the new moon, the New Moon is about to comm. Or was it Oh, the formulas coming. So you can actually place like the date. So for example, if there's a very specific date, and you're going to be curious about where the moon is going to be at that time, you can put in the date. Other than that you actually just show is basically you just it just shows you where the moon is that and the only thing else that you can do. It's like learning like to which like where is the potency of the full moon or the new moon right now is it 100% or 99%, etcetera. So that is also another option. If you really want to start checking out the lunar cycle I, I love that it just notifies me like full moon is coming in 14 days or something like that. And it's really helped. So I love how you said that you're starting to really start to see what this looks like in your business. Because when I really look back in retrospect, I'm in a time in my business at the time of this recording of like a lot of creation. And specifically, I'm revamping my ultimate podcasting workshop series, which is where I teach people how to book themselves online podcasts without having sent a tonne of pitches. And I distinctly remember, before I started revamping everything, I set the intention on the new moon i did i do a burning ritual where I set my intentions and I burned them just to kind of like had those ideas like transmute into the universe. And just to kind of CO create with it. And I love that. And yeah, and now Now, as you're saying it is making me think oh, yeah, so this is how it's all playing out. And the full moon is actually when when I'm ready to talk about it like in its entirety, because it would have been done by then like all of the updates for for that workshop series. So by you just like say this. Oh, yeah, I can see it down. So thank you so much for that insight. Okay, so we've spoken about menstrual cycles, and Luna cycle, seasonal cycles, even though we also touched on creative cycles. And I'm just curious about what does that mean? Because that sounds like a very personal practice to be aware of. So I'm just curious, like, where do we even start with uncovering what our creative cycle it's like?
I think you're touched on it already. Right now with saying you're curious. That's where you start. And it very much is a creative cycle. Very much is a personal experience. And it's understanding your own creative rhythm and output and when you're most inspired when the idea is dropping, when is that? You know, when do you feel you can start to you know, be creative and start to, you know, bring things together and when is it that you feel like you can share whatever it is that you're creating, whether it's an offering your business or a product, an opt in a blog post, whatever it may be. There's a creative cycle, and that can last a few days a day even like or You know, if we think about it in, in a launch plan, it could be a 90 day launch plan. There's that creative cycle that you will move through from, you know, and then whatever next is. And so there's very much it is a personal experience the creative cycle, and tapping into that curiosity of I want to know more as to how I create. What is that? For me? What does that look like in my business? How does that feel? I get really curious, in my own business and the creative cycle, around when the inspiration strikes, when does the intuitive flow for me come into play? I've noticed particularly it's just before my period, and during my period, like the first few days, like ideas galore, inspiration, insights, just downloading. But at the same time, that's very much my low energy point. So I can't take action. If I did, I could, there's nothing saying I couldn't, there's nothing stopping me. But I know in that moment, I need to sit with it, I need to integrate that it needs to sort of flow through me pun intended, need to really flow through me before I can then come out of that lower energy, and I can feel my energy increasing, and actually start to take action. So I think about the creative, like a cycle more about sort of the the inspiration, the new ideas or possibilities that come in, and then you move to sort of that that creation stage that creation in the putting together in the sharing, or offering whatever it may be. And what's next is the reflection. And that is really important I feel, and something we may miss in the excitement of what we're doing, especially when we love what we're doing what we're offering is a reflection to come back and going. How did this work? You know, what didn't go so great. What do I need to tweak next on what did I love about this experience? And what did I not? You know, what are the bare minimum that I need to be doing the non negotiables? Where's the tension? And how can I release some of that tension. And so the reflection is just as important as the inspiration and the creation. And then there's the rest of the celebration, the acknowledgement, the gratitude, we don't have to jump into the next project or the next offering or the next launch. Please just be in it for a moment. Like we've arrived in this place, we've we've created something. And it's similarly to if we're creating just art for ourselves, or drawing or, you know, whatever it may be. There's that creative process that still goes into that. And so, again, it's recognising and starting to be curious about what that looks like for you. I love
that you mentioned the importance of reflection and rest off of the creation process because I definitely get caught up in the excitement and I'm a manifester. In terms of my human design, and I my being whenever I have a creative urge, I have the ability and the means to action it almost straight away. And sometimes I might do that a bit too much. But at the same time, because for anybody who knows human design, especially what manifester cycles are, like, it sounds scary. When I'm when I know that, you know, we live in a linear world, in a way, or rather we have a conditioned linear lifestyle, I should say. Hearing that manifest is our 80% rest and 20% creation, you bet your honey buns that are part of me, it's like well, if I if I'm naturally only 20% of creation, when I do have those urges, I'm going to action on it. But something else that came up for me as you were speaking, was that curiosity piece, right? Getting curious like what other patterns that you can spot for yourself when you find yourself super creative? Because when when you were speaking about yours, I started naturally thinking well, where does my creative process come from? And mine actually comes in two places. One, one can relate to a lot of things in the shower. Some of my best ideas truly do come in the shower. And maybe it's the water later Washington. I'm like, I don't know watching this water go Daljit. I don't know what it is. But maybe it's the pure prep that people say is because you're purely present with yourself, maybe. And the second part, which I now am a lot more intentional about, is actually when I have meaningful conversations with people. That is why I have now I'm still mindful of my capacity. Because I am an introvert, I'm a highly sensitive person, I'm an empath, all of those things. And because of that, being around too many people at a given time can actually lead to more overwhelm. And so that's why I'm very conscious of my calendar and who I open it up to, to book to have a call with. So something I do in my business is something called copper catch ups, where I set aside one hour, every month, I split it into 320 Minute Calls. And then those calls whoever's on my email list and catches the email, and they book slot, we just connect for the sake of it. And there are so many of these incredible humans I've gotten to meet put a face to the name. We our conversations can go from anywhere from all things business. Some we ask existential questions like What's the meaning of life, some just wants to talk about my cats, and some want to talk about plants and the garden that they are planting? Like, there are so many different things, but there are also some of those conversations that really lead me into the ether of my, my creative space. And it just helps me clarify something. When they asked me a question and I verbalise out loud, I'm like, oh, okay, where did that come from? And so I now acknowledge that conscious conversations with aligned people, not just anybody, but people who are on my email list. So of course, there's already an element of connection there. I now know that they really ate my creative, my creative process, and it's been a sustainable practice. I've integrated into my business for three years now. So I just love what you're saying here. Like the curiosity just like really spotting, like, when is it that you feel most creative? Like what elements are involved with that taken out of it? Because like you said, it's personal for you. So yeah, I
just love this. I love the shell share, because it makes me mainly feeling when you were saying that because, and I know our listeners cannot see me. But where I sit in my office is a whiteboard behind me. And it's usually scribbled with so much right now, it's not I backed it up, but it's usually scribbled with all my random thoughts that will drop in at random times. Sometimes it's while I'm cooking dinner, I'll walk away and scribble something on the whiteboard, and then go back to what I'm doing. But nine times out of 10 my ideas drop in the shower. And I will stand at this whiteboard, naked, dripping wet shower, writing down these ideas. Before I forget, whatever it is, it's come through like it might be like, Oh, great idea for a blog post. This is what I want to talk about. Me my client we're talking about this, this resource may actually help them need to make sure I write this down because it can drop out for me. And so having this way to capture it, but like the shower thing made me laugh because I people could see me. Scenes you'd see me dripping wet, standing at the whiteboard naked with a towel, and just scribbling things. Just random stream of consciousness. Like it's just that was, yeah, I just that made me laugh. And you said the shouting, and a lot of conscious, you know, conversations with the line people absolutely. I resonate with that as well. I recently went to a TEDx talk and sat in the audience and listen to these inspiring people talking about living beyond the binary. And that in of itself, being in that space, just ignited something in me that I can't really fully articulate. Other than just this explosion of fireworks, I felt so inspired. So created, there was so many downloads that came in, it was hard to actually get them all down. And it made me make a commitment to myself for this year. That would I would actually get out from behind my desk. And I would go and meet like minded people, or not only like minded people, but be in different environments amongst different people learn from you know, people that are different from my own lived experience, who have their own lived experience and the sharing that and to be in those spaces and to see you know, what inspiration strikes for me in my life, not just for business spending just in my life in general. And so I really love that you touched on that because it's like for myself as an you know, Online Business Owner It can sometimes feel like I'm working in this silo. And it's very isolating, and the ideas can sometimes become stagnant, or the flow of ideas and inspiration can become stagnant. And that when that happens for me, now I know this, as I've started to sort of learn where my ideas drop in, and at what point in my cycle, they drop in, I start to go, okay, when I feel this, I need to get out from behind my desk, not saying let's go network every weekend, you can, if you want to do, but what is something you could do to start shifting that energy? Yeah, because there will be points in time where we feel that stagnant energy where we feel low energy, where we don't feel like showing up. And so how can we look after ourselves in those moments of low, low energy or low capacity? And being really flexible with that as well? Because you also touched on that sustainability? And cyclical living is about sustainable living.
Yes, yes. Yes, yes. And wow, what a vision the the dripping wet in the towel. Like, I see this giant whiteboard, because I know that lovely listeners cannot see it. But I can and I can attest that, yes, it's a big giant whiteboard. And I've got this tiny, like one that can, I don't know, it's the size of my forearm, and I'm not big enough to take on all these ideas. But I totally agree in the sense that I, when these ideas come capture them, like, I can't trust my memory to, to just recall the depth of inspiration that that was the one I'm looking for, is I think is like the energetic potency. That's what it is, like, I need to capture that in its purest form, before it gets filtered. And before my logical brain is kind of like, but is that possible? And all of that kind of stuff. You know, my little imposter complex was like, no, no, no one's gonna care about that. Like, before, all the other little voices come in, like making room for that voice that was so frickin excited to bring whatever that idea was into existence. So I highly recommend, as well, like just really capturing it in its purest form, when it's the highest, like enthusiasm, the highest energetic potency they have when it first drops into your brain. So I love that.
And that is, gosh, cycle tracking. That's, I mean, I know, when you think when you look up cycle tracking on Google, or, you know, on Instagram, if you, you know, the hashtags that very much it's aligned to menstrual cycle tracking, women talk about cycle tracking, but that in of itself, like capturing that idea of inspiration that that stream of consciousness that's happening at that time where you're at, that is tracking your site that's cyclical living and tracking that. And that is just so potent, you may not come back to that, you may not use that. And that's okay. Like, you've captured something that is, in that moment really inspired you. You may come back to a later months later and go, actually, you know what I want to talk about this, I have so many ideas that, you know, my ideas list is ever growing and evolving. And I've captured it somewhere, which is so important, but then when I go back to it later and look at it. guy had this idea such a long time ago. And it's rumoured it's reemerged a couple of times now. So there's a pattern there. This is important. I guess it keeps coming back for a reason. Let's be curious about that. What's the reason? What's the message that's trying to get through? You know, for me, for my community? Is this something that I should be sharing and giving attention to? Yes, I really liked like, I love how you talk about like capturing that because that's cycle tracking. It's not just cycle tracking in terms of symptoms, or in terms of our menstrual cycle. But we can expand that view to capturing other, you know, secret ways of being and doing. Yeah, I
just have to me like because my memory, I don't always trust it. So I'm like, Nah, I'm just going to release any unnecessary claim that that I have in my brain. For example, I remember. Okay, this makes me sound so bad, but so be it. If that is the case, my partner needed to remember like, just for numbers, it was for like a passcode. For you know, those temporary pass codes that we get for when we're resigning into something we haven't logged in for a while. So can you remember like, I don't know. Let's just say 2468. Right. So Okay, remember 2468 And I was like, okay, and for the next couple of minutes like she was excited, and then If she didn't ask for it again, like, after a couple minutes, I was like, Honey, like, when do you need this number to say anymore? And I was like, why on why? Or why would you asked me to reserve precious like, you know, short term memory capacity in my brain for something that you didn't actually need? In the end? Do you know how precious that is? Because of how Dory memory of like, what what's just happened. So to prevent that, now, whenever I have an idea, I do note it down. But it's just like you said, like, Oh, why does it keep coming back? So every time I have an idea, and I wonder, is it worth actioning? Because we all have a finite amount of time, resources and capacity. So I say to myself, does idea have legs? And what I mean by that is, if I were to review this idea a couple weeks later, am I just as excited to put it out into the world? Because if not, it may not be the season, or it might not be aligned any more full stop. But that's how I keep track of all my ideas. Because again, I get a lot of creative urges and ideas. There's so many of you, but do you want action by just knowing I don't have the capacity or time for it right now. But I want to know if it has legs? And yes, many of my ideas have like sprouted little legs and they're running along with me. And it's quite cute.
Note to self does this idea have legs like that? I've actually written it down like, I'm like, okay, because my ideas list is massive. This could actually help refine it a little. Nice,
because we say we say in passing, it's like, oh, let's run with this idea. Well, imagine your little idea as like little bull. And if it sprout legs and can run with you, then yes, it can you can run with this idea and literally say yes. Does this have legs? May that be your filter questions? All right, fantastic. Okay, so there was one question that I do want to ask you before we start coming to unlovely conscious clothes. And you mentioned launching at one point and I was like, oh, okay, I'm definitely gonna circle back to that. Yes, the idea had legs. And I wanted to circle back to it in this very conversation. So launching so many of us plan in advance, because as an ex launch copywriter, excellent strategist myself, Yes, you do plan in advance, like, please do not. I mean, like you it can work, I'm not gonna lie. You know, it can work if you do it on the fly. But there are plenty of things that could be optimised, let's just say that. So, again, many of us when we launch, ideally, you would do it in advance, I plan ahead, your pre launch, as well as your actual launch and your post launch. So we may base that on certain things like how much time we have or other projects we've committed to. And it's almost like, our cycles are almost like an afterthought. So I'm curious to hear from you your perspective, maybe your clients perspective, so as you've worked with, etc. Have you seen a witnessed a situation or scenario where the cyclical part was an afterthought? And then they kind of like burned out because of it? Or the flip side? Where, you know, the cyclical living part was honoured, like, did you have any thoughts around that around launching? Because, to me, I will admit, my cycle has been the after thoughts for many years in my business, only now I do kind of like look at when, when Mercury Retrograde happening. Yes, I also think of my birthday, because like, for example, one of my next launches at the time of this recording would be I'd like to wrap it up before my birthday, because I want to celebrate my birthday, have a couple of weeks of rest before we start before I start delivery on a live programme. So I'm just curious your thoughts about you know, launch planning, and integrating your cycles into that plan.
Love these because someone who's emerging in business and figuring out what launching even meant, what it actually entails, or looks like and yes, I really love this question. And yes, our cycles are our secret way of being can be an after thought in those moments. And some of the conversations I've been having with people in business around having that understanding of your own cyclical nature, that awareness of how it actually plays out for you. So you can plan your launch Absolutely. With your timeframes and your pre launch activities and all of those things, but then also, before you start that, like have that plan process, but before you start then putting that plan into action, then looking at well how does my How will my secret way of being play into this? Whether it's your creative process, whether it's your energetic, you know, use your energy and how that ebbs and flows for you, when you have your menstrual cycle or influenced by the moon, for example. And so building in that awareness into your actual launch plan will give you some, some space to really look at, okay, this point in my cycle, I usually can do bare minimum. So I still turn up for this launch, I still are, you know, in that forward momentum and, and, you know, moving through this launch plan, but I know that during this point in this month plan, I'm going to have bare minimum capacity. So what are the bare minimum essentials that I need to be doing? Or that I can do? You know, what capacity do I have. And what's important though, is we can plan, we can plan out a launch, we can plan around our cycles, whichever, you know, framework it is that we resonate with and follow, we also need to be flexible. And zoom in on what's happening in that moment. And so checking in without energy, before we do the activity, or the task at hand. So zooming in is something that I have found is very beneficial in especially as an emerging business owner, because there's sometimes I just need to focus on this one thing, I need to write this sales page, for example. So then I can publish it. And so there may be a whole host of things happening. But this is what I have capacity on because I've checked in with myself first. So my list may have had three or four different things to do for that day or that week for my launch, but I can only focus on the one. And so I zoom in on that. And then I also need to zoom out at points in time to then reflect on and look at, okay, well what's coming up? Where am I likely to be? Or how am I likely to feel through this process? And are the things that I need to integrate and put in place and then support me to continue to show up? So it's not, I know, we talk about, for example, like when we bleed in our menstrual cycle, it's a time of rest and restoring Absolutely. And I'm all for rest as a projector, especially, I nap as much as possible, and then I nap again, because that's what sustains me. But I still have not have to take that back. But I still want to show up in my business. I want to show up for my community. And so it's like supporting myself through that though. What can I build around me to make that feel a little bit lighter, a little bit less tense, be able to show up and do the bare minimum. And the bare minimum Essentials is something that my business coach introduced me to. And I love that because I'm like, there are days where I have a big to do list, I have all these plans. But when I check in with myself, I don't have the capacity or don't have the energy or don't have the motivation to give myself a breather. Take a moment. What can I do? What is the one thing that I can do that will continue moving me forward, that will continue on this this band I have and still be flexible that plants can change. And then when we think about like that linear world have this rigid way of being that it has to fit in this one way of doing. And if it doesn't, it's no good. And we always analyse that and forgiving yourself some grace to be flexible. Things will happen, things will change, we will need to adapt. That's very much integrating your cycle awareness into how you do business. You know, if you're launching, where are you going to be? And if it's where you there are non negotiables in business, we still have to turn up for something. But you know, it's likely to be a lower energy phase of your cyclical experience. And how can you support yourself while still showing up is really important. And I know we haven't really touched on this. You know, one thing I talked about in my communities about cyclical self care and really integrating that into that every day and adapting and changing that for what we actually need in our secret experience.
Okay, I love all of this and especially from the launch perspective, because launches are a time of high visibility. And that can take a lot out of people there's definitely has for me in the past, especially when I haven't planned beyond the to dues, because like, I can like to do spine, you know, got all the assignable all of that. But in relation to how each of these things, what degree of energy output is required in order to fulfil it. I love how you're speaking about if you are in a time of low capacity, but you need to work through it, like what can you do for yourself to work with it to move through it in a way that's not going to kind of like, feel like you're tapped out? You know. So I love that you mentioned that. And I just do want to support what your business coach said about, you know, the bare essentials, you know, that you can do in your business. I teach my clients in the sustainable visibility incubator about the three types, like the three E's of capacity planning around being visible. And the first eight Essentials is the essentials, the enhancements and the embellishments. And so the Essentials is when you're at low capacity like this, the bare minimum that you do to be visible, the enhancements is the middle ground where it's like, okay, you have a bit more wiggle room, you may not be reaching out for the TEDx stage anytime soon. But you know, you're there like you can do a bit more right now, maybe a couple collaborations, one that feels like quite close to home, where you can like, expand your comfort zone a little bit. And then the embellishments, they are the bigger things, the things that require so much capacity from you, like pitching to Forbes, or, you know, speaking on a huge stage or your dream podcast, or whatever it is. And like it's just really working with what does your business need in order for it to stay afloat and to flourish? And also, how can you honour your humanity in the process? So I love that you mentioned that your business coach and talks about something similar? But yeah, like, how does that plan or when you just need to look at what you can do like your bare essentials? is definitely a nice thing to kind of lean back on if the thing that supports you, when you're like, Okay, I'm at capacity, how do I take care of myself and my community at the same time, where I don't kind of let go, like, drop the ball, so to speak, like, drop one ball for another. So I love that there's just a lot of balance and awareness. And I know that we're coming at time, and I feel that do you have like any resources, any places where people can find you to learn like where they can even get started? Because we talked about a lot of things. We've talked about so many different types of cycle frameworks, our experiences with with them and how it integrates into our business into our lives. And so I'm just curious to hear from you. Like what is one key takeaway or a nugget of wisdom that you'd love our quiet rebels listeners to really take with them today? Because we talked about a lot so what would bring them to a grounded finish?
My want number one wisdom that I would love to share with everyone listening is to release what secret for living should look work and embrace what feels true and aligned for you.
No need for further explanation. Got it. I love that thank you for just reminding us how it can be so it is a personal exploration. And we get to explore that and how it's meaningful for us. So thank you so much for that granite finish. Now for those who are like okay, this Suzanna person like I want to know more about her like where she at. So please let us know where can we connect with you online? Where can we find you on the interwebs?
So my website, Suzanna christine.com is where you can find a little bit more about who I work with how to work with me, as well as I share a menstrual musings blog, which is very much inspired by my own menstrual musings around living a cyclical life. I also love and sometimes not so much love to hang out on Instagram at Susanna dot Christine. And I share in that space very much ideas and inspiration into how to actually or how to begin to embrace your own psychological experience which is very much for me something that is so important to share is that take what you need from this and leave the rest and I have created embrace your flow which is my free beginner's guide to menstrual cycle awareness and living. That You know, touches on the menstrual cycle, the seasonal cycle, the lunar cycle, and how to begin to track your sacred boy experience as well. So it's very much an introductory Beginner's Guide. So if you feel like we've talked about a lot of topics today and a lot of different ways have been doing in a secret way, where do I start? This kind of just brings it all together in a very much. He's He's the he's the intro to it. And he's how you could also begin to then track your cyclical experience and what that may mean for you. And that is available. You can find that link by my Instagram, Suzanna Dachstein, or my website, Susanna Kristina.
So for anyone who's like, how do I spell her name and all that, don't worry, I've got it all in the show notes. So be sure to drop your website, your Instagram, your menstrual musings blog, and this beginner's guide that I'm curious about as well. So I'll be sure to put all of that in the show notes. So everyone who's listening go jewellery. I gotcha. So if you don't have a floor, I let you go. There are two final questions I have for you. Are you ready? Yes. All right. So my first and one of my personal favourite questions is to ask what makes you a quiet, quiet rebel.
Moving at my own pace, and really honouring that. It hasn't always been that way. And life threw me a curveball with my chronic illness.
But I'm grateful for that curveball, because now I'm at a place where I've really been able to just breathe and just move at my own pace. And that in itself was like a rebellion. Because radical, but it also feels really good to be here.
I love that. I mean, this entire conversation has been about like really honouring and moving at the pace that is meaningful to us. So I love that that is your version of a quiet rebellion. Good. And my final question to you is, what is a fun fact or a wild story about you that no one else knows on the internet.
I'm a bit of an adrenaline junkie, as introverted and highly sensitive as I am. And if we talk about astrology, or just to touch on it, my moon sign and my rising sign are very much water signs. So Scorpio and Cancer, but I'm also very fiery. And so I'm a Sagittarius born in December, and very much, as much as I love myself, I love to also do things that are just adrenaline filling. And so one of the most exciting things that I've done so far in my 38 years of life was a freefall jump, have a think it's 250 metres, and I can't figure out the feet in Las Vegas was the strategy building where they they do attach you to something, but essentially, we're standing on the edge of this building. It's about 900 feet. But if you look up the stratosphere in Las Vegas and give you all the details, stand on the edge, they give you 123 Or three to one, you step off, and you have this freefall experience and looking out over the Las Vegas Strip. And I love that stuff. I love seeking out these exciting things to do. And like my panic printers because he's like, I'm not into that. I'm like And so my it's one of my proudest, journaling junkie things that I've done is step off this building. Because if we think about it from a human nature perspective, you're not supposed to step off, like just this freefall. It felt like no control. But I landed, and I felt like I sounded like the biggest Ozzy in that moment. Because I was like, fuck you. Yes. Let's do that again.
Oh, my gosh, I I love this. Thank you so much for sharing my experience because I'm a fellow adrenaline junkie. So also as introverted, highly sensitive as I am. I've always loved roller coasters. I've always loved zip lines. And for one of my birthdays, my partner, somewhat reluctantly came with me when she set up a experience where I can't remember how many feet it Is but or metres even. But there's a football stadium in London. And basically, there's an experience where you descend from the stadium and it's pretty damn high. And you have a choice of whether to lean forward or like, you know, look forward, outward, or do you look backwards or like, you know, facing the stadium? I looked forward, obviously. And because I was like, oh, yeah, obviously forward, the people who were strapping us into our harnesses, they didn't ask my partner and she was like, I want to go back. And I was like, Oh, honey, just tell them like, No, I can't have you beat me. And I'm like, okay, okay, fine. But I love that you also have a reluctant partner who kind of tags along to these adrenaline fueled activities. Just so you know, if you're ever in London and you want to do something, hit me up. We can do that together. No worries. Or if I'm in on your side of the continent of the world, then I'll be sure to to hit you up at your event. And what do you want to do? Do you want to do those huge zipline or something else? Because I'm totally here for it.
I'm up for that. Said it is happening yet.
It's happening. It's happening. I love it. And I do want to skydive once in my life and when I finally get over my fear of deep water, I probably need to need to snorkel a little around coral reefs. But eventually one day, I would love to actually go deep sea scuba diving.
While the Great Barrier Reef is a beautiful place to Yep. Okay, so we're doing
okay. Okay. University here is what we're doing the Great Barrier Reef. I love it. But Susanna seriously, thank you so much for all that you share, both from your your expertise and your personal experience. I love how your personal experience informs your expertise as well. And just like just was really intimate shares. I mean, like not everybody is happy to announce that yeah, I scribble ideas on my big whiteboard when I'm naked in the shower still dripping wet with a towel around my waist. Like, oh, maybe like not just the waist. More than the waist. Anyhow,
there have been times when there's been no towel. Okay, just putting it in transparency. Alright.
Yeah, I have a beautiful naked body. But I love this everything that we've covered and surely there's a lot that we could go into more depth with. I love that you mentioned towards the end about cyclicals self care. That's that's a topic for another day. But I love that just by sharing your experiences and helping me like share my own. So thank you for that too. I hope that our lovely quiet rebels who are listening to like, okay, here are some experiences that I can have a reference to where I can get started with, like just really uncovering unveiling the patterns in my own typical nature. And what that means is when I think about how it applies to life and business,
thank you. Thank you so much. It's been an absolute joy.
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