A recording in progress, Jesus Christ. Thanks, Riley.
In order of people who came Alright, date is date is May 15, four All right, so do we have any unfinished business? We have, not from our previous grant committee meeting, but the one before that, unfinished business from the general meeting that, like we may want to add back on the agenda we had, we have some bylaws, so we have left
from like, okay, so I think we should postpone that until the next bylaw review.
Yeah, I was just gonna outline what they are, yeah, and we can cool,
yeah. We should post on that
Yeah, I was just gonna outline what they are and then be like, let's focus or delay everything until like next month. So I think we had the standardization of whether the outstanding vote as a no or not. So me and Robbie had gone back and standardized it as it does count. Or no, it does not count. There's debate over that. We can wait until the next final review where
it doesn't count towards the total, right? Only vote yes or no, count towards the total. Yeah. Okay.
And then we had, I was gonna say, a few other bylaws that we reviewed in january 2024 that still needed to be approved. Okay? So Riley is proposing we delay on bylaw modifications until the is it in July, because it'll be six months. So it'll be
in July, yeah, yeah,
bylaw reviews, and then can I add that at that time we will modify by law
review by the frequency of the bylaw reviews. Yeah,
the state that we will only review them one time for a year. Yeah, January. That makes sense. Because at the end of the year, we'll have a big, well,
I was gonna say we have the elections in November, December, right? Yeah, and that would mean the new steering committee, we get to review the bylaws as soon as they come in, which would be, I think it'd be
good. Yeah, that's good point. And then one time per year, also we modify the requirements so that bylaws only have to be posted on the forum two weeks prior to a general meeting, and then can be approved at that general meeting, no first reading, second Reading, every two weeks, make a case and up to members to do it. What do y'all feel? Okay, Robbie, Chris, what do you feel about delaying by by law modifications until January or july 2024 when we have to, like, do another review process? Anyways? Yep. Sounds good. Sounds good. And then Riley, Chris and Robbie, what do you think about only having one annual review in January for the new steering committee, and then also modifying the requirement so that bylaws like we just posted two weeks before, and then they get approved, like at that meeting, instead of the two month process we have now,
Yeah, makes sense to me. Because it was originally a one month process. It just then we cut the meeting, so now this would just be moving back to what it was basically,
yeah, no, that seems the same, similar to what we're doing with the actions and such. So it seems everything in the same way, and
the review seems fine, because it's not like we can't change it any other time. It's just someone else brings it up, not a formal review.
So okay, and then we'll just allow, allow what's called modifications, amendments, comments. Yeah. Um, during the two week period. Okay, cool. I don't think there's anything else. I think that's like the main thing we skipped over. Yeah. Okay. Anyone else think of anything
old business? You mean, yeah? I mean it's not technically, it's not old, it's not it's unfinished business. Isn't exactly, quite right, but since we passed the the Palestine focus campaign, we should do the election for the leadership at the next meeting. I don't know if that's, I don't know if that's unfinished business, really, but, like, it's not exactly new business either. So,
yeah, how does that work? Because it's, it's new, and that's, like, the next step, yeah, but it is,
I don't know, like, a separate thing for the you know, like, if the focus campaigns are our main thing, anyways, we could have that just be, like, its own separate category.
Okay, well, I'm just gonna leave it under nothing. All right, I don't think that important where it goes. I um, campaign business, election for no vote for leadership, um, okay, else, all right, new business, um, one thing, uh, meanwhile I talked about was the like the scheduling of events at meetings. So right now, like it says at the end of the agenda every time, but if we don't get to it, then it doesn't get done, and then we don't get to schedule anything. So we were thinking just once, any business that requires us to vote on, like approving something, like, we have to approve the social event, like once all that is like, put, push that stuff to the front. So do old business, but then push any thing that involves, like an event or something like that, to the front of the agenda, and then have the calendar like in the middle of the meeting. So once we have voted for everything that might need to be scheduled, then sit down to schedule everything for 30 minutes, and then if you don't complete everything else, like whatever. But it's it's really up this month, because we didn't do that, and now, like, I'm having a hard time actually scheduling anything. Like, don't own anyone's
free, so no. So it would be like things that need, that we need to do in the next month, or the beginning of the meeting, then scheduling, and then housekeeping is at the end,
yeah, like whatever else we have left. I guess we should still do old business at the start, or should we not? Should we just reconfigure the agenda? I
think, I think it depends. I think we what we should do is put all of the stuff that that we know we're going to need to schedule an event for in the upcoming month at the beginning, regardless of whether it's new or not. That way we can schedule in the middle, and then anything that doesn't require setting a date, right, just requires a vote or whatever we can put at the end, I guess. I mean, that's kind of like a, like a total modification to, like the category, order of business, yeah.
Um, so this would end up being kind of like a bylaw modification, because we have order of business in our bylaws, yeah. Um, I mean, I'm I guess we could start the meeting with, is everyone okay with this reordering, the order of business for this meeting, and then we can do our first reading, and at the next meeting we can push that item to the beginning. And then I guess we can do that. I don't know, Robbie, what do you think? Yeah, I guess
it just depends on how we have it adapted in our bylaws. Because I think in general, it's supposed to be, you know, a suggested order of business, or, you know, typical, and then you can alter around it. But I don't know,
default order of business for general meeting chubby as follows, but it doesn't that doesn't imply that. So it must be followed
one so, okay, one of the things that I was, one of the reasons that I wanted to do policy and, like, uh, SOP stuff, right? Was so that we can take things like this out of the bylaws, right, where it's we have to do it this way and put it into, like a policy folder, whatever. It's like, Hey, you should do it this way, but you don't have to right that way. We can have the bylaws be like, these are the things that you have to do, and then this policy thing is like, Oh, these are the things that you should do, or we'd like you to do, or whatever.
But I think the language gives us. Flexibility. Okay, cool, because we put in the default, which implies you can modify the
default, right? Yeah, that's how I read it and when, when we did it. We did it just so that, because when we adopted Roberts and said, You need to approve it each meeting, so we just said, Okay, we adopt this as our default. All
right, okay, we were just taking away a vote. Um, okay, so then this our default we can, I guess, we can modify it, like, let's, let's see how it works for a couple of meetings. And then, if we like it, we can do it in like, August or something, yeah, like put into writing for now we just do unmodified so, do introductions, minutes. If you're
really worried about it, we can just, you know, say, Okay, someone will move for the next three meetings that we do it like this, and then you just say at the beginning of each meeting, we're doing it this way. Are there any objections? No objections. Okay, yeah. Nobody cares.
Okay, yeah, it'll be fun. All right. So instead of even reports of officers and committees, we can probably, well, we should probably do that, just so people know what's up, so that will probably inform future votes. I
feel like reports of of officers should be at the like, near the beginning, because it's real quick. Usually it doesn't, for the most part, it doesn't take a lot of time, unless it's like something that's like, very specific, right? And then maybe that can, like, get pushed later if it's like a big something, yeah,
you know, because, I mean, usually I delay my stuff because multiple slides, yeah. And then I think if we start doing something like presenting the Two Meeting groups, like a five minute summary of each we can probably delay that then, but then your report can just be like we did it. And the next one is, you know, whenever. So, okay, so I have like, one subsection that is, like, pertaining to scheduling in an upcoming month, and I'll be back in the door.
Oh yeah, okay, so related to this, but not exactly this specific topic. I was talking to both Paolo and Adri about this. And one of the things that, like, we kind of realized is one of the issues we have, is we miss so like Mayday, right? One of the reasons that we didn't have a thing for MayDay, really, right, at least early on, was because we hadn't planned far enough ahead, right? Like, and the thing is, like, major holidays and like things where we could plan, like, you know, a big campaign or a protest or whatever around it. A lot of times those things are things that we could know about, like, a year in advance. And I think that, yeah, part of what we need to do when scheduling, I mean, maybe this is actually something that we need to do here in the steering is look ahead to the next to not the the current month, month that we're planning, but the one after that, and be like, oh, you know, the anniversary of Stonewall, or the, you know, Labor Day, or whatever it is is, you know, we can do something for that day or whatever. Yeah,
I think it is here. I think we've been like, I've noticed in our scheduling, we actually ended on the end of the month, even if there's, like, four or five days in the next month for the general meeting, yeah, and like, that's always dead time. We almost never schedule anything then, because we just don't even talk about it here. So yeah, maybe staring can just I think,
Well, I think maybe what we should do is have our our look ahead. Instead of being the next calendar month, it's the next, like, two calendar months, right? And we're really only planning stuff for the upcoming meeting, but we're looking ahead to that next month after that for any potential, you know, events or you know, things we can do to plan for that month.
Okay, so let's say, like, specific days and additional months or something, like holidays or something,
yeah, because, like, the one of the ones that the reason I ended up originally thinking about this was the Lodi Pride festival got canceled because their venue went out of business. And everybody's like, Oh, you gotta plan a year ahead, in a year ahead of schedule or whatever. And so they're just not having it, basically because of some bureaucratic And I'm like, Oh, well, we should have planned a for, you know, protest or whatever, I don't know, something, some dumb
Yeah, we could have done some things, but, yeah, that stuff takes a lot
of planning, right? Exactly? Yeah. Okay.
So if we just say specific days and additional months, that's as many months as we want.
Yeah, well, but I think it should also, we should specifically say that the that dead time between the end of the upcoming month and the next general meeting is like part we should consider that part of the the next upcoming month,
okay
for time until messaging, yeah.
So are we sorry behind are we doing time limits for certain action, like, for certain ordering, like, are we doing? Because I know we discussed that briefly, where it's for each, you know, individual general meeting order of business, we could say, like, this is five minutes of discussion maximum. Are we still going that way or
so at the last meeting, I tried to cap each person's speaking time to three minutes, but it was like when they started talking, and no one talked for three minutes, but people did a lot of back and forth for like a minute and a half, so they went over three minutes themselves. Yeah, and we should probably cap that so, you know,
we did like, 15 minutes of discussion for, I don't know, whatever new business, each item of new business, and then we could sort of limit it in our campaign, or in our steering meeting, in the sense that we know ahead of time, like, all right, we got three orders of business for next thing. And we could just then, that way, we always get to the calendar, and I know that we're going to move the calendar. But then if, if we don't, end up moving the calendar, not that I think, I think moving the calendar is good, but I also think having at the end is good because it gives people a chance to digest everything that happened. So yeah, like in the middle, it's just hard because people are going to leave early, like I'm trying to get folks to come. And I think part of their frustration was like, you know, everything happened, you know, I don't get to, I hear everything at the end, and then I don't get to hear what everything is like. They're not they don't feel caught up. And I'm trying to find a way to balance that so it makes sense what you're listening to. And then it's not just 20 minutes of debating that thing. Yeah,
no, I agree. There's a just general problem with that.
One of the ways, so, like, one of the ways that I've seen like city councils prevent like run ons is they give a speaker like five minutes or something, and then if someone has a direct question, they have like 30 seconds to ask their direct question, right? Or, if they have a rebuttal, they have like one minute to do their rebuttal, right? And so that way you're, you're never, like, going over, like, more than, like, seven minutes in total for a conversation.
Yeah, I think that's something, yeah, that's something good to consider. I don't know it's like, it's hard, because it doesn't need to be hard and fast necessarily. It just needs to be like, I want to get to the calendar stuff. And I know, like, that's, that's a big priority. It sounds like that we're moving around, but I just, I don't know, for the people that I'm thinking of, I don't know putting calendar in the middle will help, because they'll just feel like I have no context for what we're putting on
account. Yeah, so, I mean, maybe we just go over them the weekly.
Do we want to? Do we want to move a lot of this? So, like we have the, some of the stuff that's at the beginning, I think we could probably knock to the end.
Fabulous is good this, we can totally knock I'm putting it here. I think this is nice. I think it gives you like the vibe of the group. You know that we care about this.
Hey, wait, maybe, wait, sorry. Can we? Can we maybe modify? Can we have the minutes be at the beginning, but instead of like, showing the minutes, we just say, here are the minutes. If you want to look at them, they're on the forum. That's what we do now, yeah, like, I because like, that should take like a no more than 30 seconds. Probably right? Well, it
still takes like, three minutes. I mean, because we don't show the minutes, we just have, like, minutes for date, general meeting dates during meeting, and are, like, vote to approved as, like, you know, posted now, but that still takes like three minutes because you got to vote and count the vote and move. This is put at the end, just All right, so, Chris, I don't know if you saw you saw this, like weekly update. I was
just gonna say, under the Roberts Rules, there's allow allowances for things like that, where you don't necessarily need to have the vote, we're just okay. Do the minister stand approved as. Posted, and then if there's no objections, then you don't have to, okay. The same thing, like with the how we move to close the meeting, you can just say, Okay, time to close the meeting. Any objections, it can just be understood that, in general, everyone approves of that.
Okay. Well, Riley abstained from last
I have to go through a full round of Yes.
Sorry, Chris, can you Did you check out the weekly update thread?
No, let me look at it right now. Okay,
I'm working on the one for this this week right now, which is basically going to be the same exact thing, because nothing happened last week. But the goal is that could be like every week, because I can update, and I was hoping Natalie Peterson and Cheyenne could help out with that, but maybe we just, like, go back over the weekly update at the general meeting, and like, the real when people can present, like, because it is still broken up by like, the focus campaigns and the education committee. So maybe we just present this and be like, This is the last update that should be like, full context for what we're doing. Basically.
Okay. Yeah, no, I like that idea
we have, like, the current project as a letter to code enforcement and, like, you know, capitalist governing document show it's a choice responsibility, and that's why we're tack like we're going to Hoa instead of landlord by landlord. And then our goal is to try to get people involved in collecting signatures with us, which is not a lot of detail, but maybe, maybe we should. The problem is, our meetings always run so long, and I don't even know why, but yeah, I think if we're more stricter and then we do like full updates, maybe like full context updates at the beginning,
we need to assign someone to timekeeping at the beginning of the meeting. Yeah, we if we have a you have somebody running the meeting. We have somebody keeping time right and like, that's their job. Their job is to keep time, right? Because, like, that's the only way we're really going to keep time, because otherwise the person running the meeting has to keep time. And, yeah, it's just like, too much for one person to do.
Okay, so should we add to reports of officers and committees, I guess this counts as focused as campaign. I guess officers, but campaign leaders count under this, but basically updates that are similar to a weekly update, but perhaps a bit more context,
but more monthly instead of weekly.
Yeah, okay, so let's call it a monthly update. Okay, so let's call it a monthly update. State of the org that are similar, yeah, that's a good name for them, state of the work, monthly updates that are similar to the weekly updates. I'm trying to, like, get a structure down for weekly updates so that way, you know, we can hand off that job to someone else. But basically, like, starts off with like, extreme detail about what we just did, like, in the last week, and then putting in the context of, like, why do we do it? And like, what's the like, that month's goal? Like, how did it help that month's goal as it pertains to the focus campaign? Okay, so do we want to say this should be like, 15 minutes, because I don't have time. Yeah. See in an hour and a half meeting,
as long, yeah, I mean, as long as it's not 615 as long as it's not QA, yeah, as long as it's not that, and as long as it's not like, when we're presenting, like, Hey, we're gonna, we're gonna do this for, you know, for one of our campaigns, or for whatever the right? Something wrong, like presenting a thing here, we're just saying this is what we've done in the past month, basically, right? Yeah, if this is just, it's just a report, it's nothing, it's nothing else.
All right, that makes sense. 15 minutes, if you want five minutes, Q, A, that's 20 minutes out of our 90 minutes. That's fine that I think if Chris, like you're right that like for new members, it's hard to gage context, and that's been the biggest complaint from like several other members, that it's very hard to. Know what the is going on. So I think spending 20 minutes on that is perfectly acceptable.
Yeah, yeah. I think a big thing too would be linking the forum posts on that. If that's possible, I could talk to Shannon and Natalie about that, or just figure out if there's a way to do it, just so it'd be, there's an easy spot where you can just have every forum post in all one space, so you can just look at the context for that on top of a little descriptor or something, yeah, just like, just like, here's the hyperlink to this thing, and then here's a quick description about why, why we're talking about it. And then, okay, long time, but
because Riley wanted, like, a master task document. And so that's like, kind of the weekly supposed to be, like, if you go to it, it links to, like, the letter to code enforcement, also, okay, like, under action items, and that's like a thread that you signed up on. So maybe we can also, like, put that link in, like, the agenda, just like, I'm hoping we can send this out every week, yeah, and that way, like, Everyone always has this kind of master task, slash, context document,
yeah, I think it'd be nice to just have the forum tied into it, just, just, and that sounds like, that's what, what's going on too. It's just like, we could just link, this is the the master task document. Here's everything that's going on. Click on the master test document if you want to pick up an assignment. Okay? And we
can just, like, flash the table, like the one I use,
because I didn't, I mean, not, I apologize, I've been so behind, but I just saw that. I'm like, Oh yeah, I could do that. Like, that's totally that's totally possible,
yeah. And it's pretty easy to edit the table, little pencil thing I didn't even know that existed, kind of like, I thought you have to put your name in the markdown table, and the table is a mess. Okay, have the forum post the slides, so when people go back, they can remember what the forum Okay, anything else? I
think that's it.
I'm not gonna give us how much. Credit. I'm just going to say 20 minutes. That's fine. Yeah. I mean, I think this is really important, because I don't think because every meeting we're going to have someone who hasn't been there for
So real quick, in theory, that's like five minutes per officer or per like, steering member, right? Or if we have two campaign committees, it's like, I don't know what, like three minutes per officer, all
right now, yeah, so right now it'd be, you know what? Let's just do this that would give
no because, put 20, put 25 put 25 that way, with minute with questions, it's 30. That's 1/3
of our time, okay, because now that gives you five minutes for Secretary, five minutes for treasurer, five minutes for membership in education, and then five members for the campaign leads each Yeah, that's 25 and then five minutes of Qi, yeah?
That seems well. And ideally this is a maximum. They should be as concise as possible, right?
Yeah, right. Okay, so maybe, maybe what we should be looking at like for time wise is say like we have 90 minutes, right? We want to spend a third doing update like reports, right? A third, doing, like, dealing with new and old business, and then a third, dealing with housekeeping right? Scheduling,
like, yeah, take like, 20 minutes, yeah, okay, okay, really, it's like, let's just make the meetings two hours long. I mean, if we literally are, anyways, if we can
make it optional to like, to like, I don't know if they're a way to adjourn the like, part of a meeting and be like, All right, this is the unofficial adjournment or something. And then we'll, we'll talk for 30 more minutes about these topics if you want to stay because I think the problem is two hour meetings just daunting, but an hour and a half feels fine,
yeah? I mean, I think we just need to do it in an hour and a half, yeah, oh yeah, yeah, until next meeting, like, we always put the bylaws at the beginning. It feels like and like, that sucks the life out of everybody. That's true, and we're rushing, like, the actual stuff that we're supposed to do so but, like, I'm fine if bylaws keep getting delayed until like next month, I think all we have is updates and, like, a few other things. Well,
also, if it's a real issue. You people, like, people will be like, hey, we need to put, like, push this to the beginning of the order of business, because, like, it's causing a problem,
right? Because, so far the bylaws, like, no one gives a So, yeah, okay, so 90 minutes total. We have 30 minutes dedicated to updates and Q and A so far, and then for so we go through all this, we'll have to have some discussion of these items also like an additional context, if you can work them into this. Now, just keep a piece of Okay. Should we do this whole thing? Should we dedicate 30 minutes to it? Because we would, yeah, we would need to have some back and forth on like, hey, this what we're proposing. What does everyone think? Like? Do you want to do it next month, etc? So it feels like we need at least, like, 15 minutes at the end to schedule everything.
Yeah, I Yeah, because so yeah, I think that, like, I definitely think that we should spend at least 30 minutes on the, like, planning of the next month or two, for sure. But I think that one of the ways we could, like, maybe trim the time down on that is to encourage anyone who wants you know if, if, like I was saying for the Pride festival in Lodi, right, instead of bringing it up in a meeting, we post it on the forum the month before or whatever, so people can Talk about it that way, we can just kind of breeze through it at the meeting.
Yeah, I think for everything, one thing that would really help is us doing a better job of reaching out to people and then initiating a conversation ahead of time. Okay, because I know I DM, yeah, I tried to DM some new members about the Palestine vote, but it was only like, four days before, so I don't think they got a chance. Okay, and then our remaining items 30 minutes, which I don't really remember us having a lot of, like, non scheduled items. So I think that's
actually Chris, I should ask you. So you know most of the new people, right?
Yeah. I mean, not the last meeting. I didn't know a lot of them, but the Yeah, the folks I brought before you. Okay,
so of the ones who have, like, come to multiple meetings, have you, like, talked to them about, like, their about their experience at all? Because, like, a lot of them haven't really responded to my questions, and so I'm having kind of a hard time gaging, like, where they're at.
I don't, I mean, they don't have any experience. I think that's why they, I mean, they should respond, but I feel like they're confused about where to start, and then they don't have a lot of context. Like, like, we're saying like, to like, they they all say the forum's confusing, and they all say that they don't know where to start in the terms of like, it's like, we don't want to assign them a task, because I don't think that's going to work. But we all they also don't know where to go to, like, pick up a task.
Okay, yeah, that's kind of what I that's kind of what I figured. Okay, cool, yeah,
if you need, I mean, if you need any context, or if you want me, I mean, I can talk to him. It's not like, like, Tanner, for example, I know Tanner's down. I think he's just like, where do I go? Like, he wants to know where he needs to be. It's like he's down to come to person events. But I'm sure he would help with other things. I don't know that he's at school. A lot of them are in school right now. The school's about to end, so they'll put more free time here soon.
No, reach out to Tanner. We're doing some stuff in a couple weeks. Probably said he'd come out to Canvas this weekend or this Thursday, but, yeah, it's been a matter. It's been a matter of, like reaching out and like telling them about what's going on, and it's just, yeah, yeah, okay. Well, I mean, let's not go forever on this. But no, yeah, I think just overall, staring needs to do a better job of giving more context, and we can talk about it. Okay, anything else for agenda modifications that we want to talk about? Nope, because we're also time.
Question is financial report separate from the yeah from the report of officers and committees, or is it mixed in with that?
Karabi,
depends on how you want to sometimes like for when we put the treasurer's report at the end, just if we spend. To any money during the meeting or whatever that's included. Oh, you can update it. Yeah, okay. But that could always, we could just say that's, you know, folded into the report for next month, if we just want to keep it wherever it
is. Or, yeah, because it seems like having another slot for it, like, because, like, it, I understand why. Sometimes we would maybe want to, like, pull one of the officers or committees out if there's something that's going to take more time, but like otherwise, it seems like it should just be folded into that. Yeah, new thing.
What is announcements now also,
I don't know upcoming dates, but we cover that when we're scheduling. Yeah, yeah, that's
okay. And I'm just putting this again in case we need it for whatever reason. Like, if we're taking too long, and people are like, I gotta look at stuff, give me, like, 10 minutes, we can move on and then come back at the end, I just want to, like, have the option, yeah,
yeah, yeah. That seems right. All right,
Okay, moving on. The next thing Adrian brought this up. I think it's a good idea. She wants to make one of the working meetings Monday working meetings into a super working meeting, where it's a hybrid meeting at Odd Fellows. Robbie, do you think the Mondays after the third Thursdays are open Mondays after the third Thursday because that's, I think maybe first
and third Monday. So that'd be Monday, yeah,
usually it's fourth Monday. I think this month, that should be great. Okay, because this month the working meeting is going to be next week, and that's third Monday. But we can always, just always do the last Monday, like we can always schedule around them
one I think they meet in the afternoon, though, I think they meet at like two or something, so it should still be fair in the evening. Okay, let me go ask real quick.
All right, I'll talk to you guys about what the super working meetings were in our idea for them, super working Monday.
So is that the Monday after the general meeting, or after steering, after
steering. Okay? I mean, I guess we can just move. We can pick and choose, like, when we need, when I feel like we want to do
it. Yeah, I do. So I do think that like having regular, like, one of the problems. So I there's advantages to having mobile dates, right? Because sometimes people just can't do a certain day or whatever. But there's also advantages to having regular meetings where people can go, oh, this Monday, like, like with the general meeting, right? It's the first Thursday of every month or whatever, right? Everybody goes, Okay, I know for sure that on the first Thursday of every month, if I want to go to the meeting, it's whenever, you know. Okay,
so let's do last Monday of
every month. Then, yeah, yeah, yeah,
okay, yeah. I think that's, I mean, I think the Monday after the general people probably won't want to do another hybrid. Yeah. Anyways, yeah, keep it spread out a little bit. Okay. So the idea behind them would be that they're approximately, like, an hour and a half or two hours, and they're longer, but we keep, like, a strict timeline, so like, 45 minutes for, like, whatever the timetable is, we'll decide at the general but like, an example would be like 45 minutes on folks. Campaign 145, minutes on folks. Campaign 230, minutes for remaining tasks. And like, we stick to that table timetable. So if people only want to come and help for, like, focus. Campaign two, they know I got to come in Alex at 45 like, on a hybrid meeting, or even in person. And then, since it's hybrid and in person, if people in the first group want to, like, keep working on something, they're free to, like, go into the kitchen and, like, keep working. And they can bring, like a laptop or on their phone, like, start another zoom, to get another to bring like, their hybrid buddies over, but basically, like, have another in person kind of effect. I think hybrid only is hard because, like, Chris and me and you're working on the database thing, like, no one else can talk while we're working
on it. Yeah, that's, would it be cool? Like, if I just went and worked on database Like, is that? Yeah, you can do whatever. Because I'm just thinking, like, that does. Provide me, because I could bring Dennis or whatever, I could look at it, or get the your the website hosting and stuff up, because I think it would be better to have a time just be like, Hey, can Are you free at this time? And then we can all meet together and just do it, and then everyone else can take care of whatever, like everyone could work on everything, like you said, independently. But I do like the idea of breaking into focus campaigns too. Just if you want to show up for a focus campaign, I focus campaign, I just feel like, that's my problem. Is I've been trying to get this on board, and it's just like, it's hard when we are on separate schedules. So if I just have a day, we're like, hey, just come to this day and then we'll go do it this place, even though my concern is the internet, but we'll figure it out.
Yeah. Yeah. Robbie Riley, what do you think
I'm all for? It
makes sense. Yep, seems good to even just have a place to say. Okay, yeah, we're meeting. Yeah, we'll be there if you need to show up.
Yeah, okay, so I'll go to that. The other thing was we need. So this is like a discussion thing for new thing, but how to interface or work with outside groups? Groups, or the no vote for campaign. So me and bessma went and presented the campaign to North Central Valley DSA, and they voted to like, keep us as like leads of the campaign, but like, if they want to start working on their on their local Democrats, like they would, they want to starting, like, next month, I think. And so they're like, you know, whatever info or help you guys need to get, like, our guy onto the website, because we talked about how you could do like, no vote for can be like the default for Josh, unless a bunch of people sign up. But then we can also have like, slash, harder slash, who the their person is for like, a specific forum for them. And like, we went because we already were already working with North Central Valley DSA for ewoc, so it's kind of like an approved group. But we don't really have like, a like, we need to vote on how we're going to bring in other people that may want to work with us. Like, do we want guidelines on who they are, what they believe, how they will work, how they will work with us, etc, so I want to talk about at the next general meeting. Yeah,
I definitely think that we should be at the very, like the bare minimum, like approving as an organization who we work with for like,
yeah. And I think one rule, I told them was that we are not going to accept anyone just putting their congressional member on there. Like we want you to put the congressional member and all the down ballot and up ballot Democrats that they've endorsed or been endorsed by. So that's the whole idea behind the thing. And you can't just be like, Oh, I have a conservative Democrat, so I'm just gonna put him and just be like, normally, demped on my local people, and they were okay with it. But yeah, I guess I just worry other groups like not wanting to do that, and then still wanting to work with us, and then diluting the whole message.
Yeah, that's so like, I again that kind of like when we were talking about how the difference between like a sponsorship and like a coalition partner, or, like, a, you know, whatever, like that kind of stuff. Like, we should make it clear, like, what category these people are in, and like, who like, what we're allowed to do with that kind of people. And like, you know, whether I could see potential issues, like we, yeah, sorry, go ahead, yeah, if we align with somebody and they don't really understand our position, right, and we're working on the same campaign, and they go one way, and that totally deviates from what we're trying To do it could be it could definitely be problematic. So,
yeah, I was going to say going off of that, like we are, like the only group that I can see doing this. So I almost feel like it's risky for us to form, like a coalition where we include equal partners, because no one currently shares our mindset. And we can, very quickly just get out coded in our own like campaign and so almost like, only treating it as like we're gonna sponsor other groups attempts. Yeah,
I think that, I think at the very least, until they, until they get kind of like on the until they until, I, like, ideologically, they get kind of more aligned with where we're at. I I could, I could see that making sense. Yeah. Like, I
think, like, I'm fine with, like, if they already have action at work, like making a new form for them, which is not a lot of work, and just like sharing emails with them, because I think that's like the main thing they will really want out of it. And like, we don't really have use for emails, like, you know, anywhere else outside of our area. So like, I'm fine with doing that as, like, a sponsorship, but yeah, like, I don't think we should let them have say in how we run the campaign. Because I think even though DSA, like, I know there are like, Democrats in North Central Valley, DSA, like, we didn't say anything, but who may at a later date want to say stuff, so we should just not give them the option. And yes. If some groups really working with us, we can bring it up another general meeting to be like we want to vote to put them in as coalition partners.
I think that makes most sense to me, to take it as a gun that we can, you know, align it. If we want to take it further, we take it
further. Okay, so we'll propose it that way to membership. If membership feels differently, we can modify it, then we only add new groups that want to join the effort as sponsors and not as coalition. Say, can
campaign? Yeah, I would say that unless they unless like this is again, why we need points of unity if they were to agree to write a set like a series of points, right? That like the campaign was based on, then it would make sense to have them join us as a like CO as an actual coalition partner, right? But that would, that would require them saying, Hey, we, we like, you know, before we even, you know, what was before, the fact I can't remember the word A priori, they're just like, accepting these, you know, these axioms and go and basically meaning that they would not be able to go against them. Yeah, right. And then it's kind of like when we were trying to deal with a tune, or whatever it was, they wanted us to sign on to their points of unity. Yeah, same kind of thing,
yeah. I mean, I guess my only worry is, like, there's plenty of groups who will have like, a tune points to unity and then still vote for Democrats. And we really mad that we're advocating not to vote for Democrats. Yeah, that's true. Like, this is a very like, specific kind of, like, breaking thing where, like, all the you can be as radical sounding, and like, leaving radicalism as much as you want, but I'm like, you're always casting the ballot anyways, and this is a break from that. So I feel like we should still be careful no matter what. And really, like, we only care about harder, like, it's just if other people want to join and find like, if you don't want to be only sponsored, like, just make your own website. Like, it's not like you have to be like, go through our website, you know, yeah. So it's not like we're stopping anyone from doing anything. It's just don't post our website and then be like, vote for every other democrat, just not our guy. Yeah, okay, but if there are groups that we believe align with our goals, then vote to make them coalition. Yeah. I
mean the other thing is, like, we could always, like, even if we they join, they like, agree to our points. Like we could always back out of it. If we have to. I'd rather not, but like, be good, you know, yeah, okay. But I agree. I agree that might be good to build consciousness before we or start, oh yeah, before we start, like making coalitions. I'm
pretty sure even at the DSA meeting, not everyone understood the full context of what we were like advocating for. No, they didn't because, yeah, because, yeah, there it's. Of people who I thought would disagree that did not. And I'm like, I don't know if you're just like, lying.
No, I don't think that they understood what we were saying, Yeah, because I think
they have a Republican Congress member over there, so I think it's like, oh yeah, it,
yeah. It is kind of a different it would be a little bit easier,
yeah? So I think they didn't understand that also met down like it would mean you're down ballot. People have to, like, reject. Joe Biden also at that point, because you don't have a congress person, all right, there's one more big thing. But Did anyone else have anything else? Oh, the WCU first meeting anniversary is, like, I think, two days after our social event, yes, so maybe we can rephrase that as, like, one year anniversary social event.
Yeah, that'd be good. Oh, did we ever get some um, Adri said there was somebody in the group who had a button maker. But did we ever,
do you have button maker? I told you, okay. I was like, I can't remember which one of them had one, but I know one of them has it.
Okay, I'm, I think I'm just gonna buy one, because I think in the long run, it's gonna be cheaper than actually buying buttons from a company,
for sure. I mean, they're either like 35 bucks, but I don't know how good they are.
There's no the ones on um, the ones on Amazon are like 50 to $100 for the on the lower end, and then the higher end ones are, like, up towards of, like 300 but like the 50 to $100 ones are like, well, within my price range, if I really, you know, like, done a big deal. Plus, I just want that allows me to put together sick campaigns. Yeah, yeah.
All right, that'd be great. All right, so last thing, all right, so Paula messaged me and said that at the he wants to spend time at the next general meeting discussing ideas on a process for public facing material and calling the general membership for what they want, so we can finally get something finalized. This is in regard to the temporary Working Group on public based material that we voted in on February 1. So that was over three months ago and although there has been a lot of discussion on the topic, we've added it to our working group throughout the last two three months. And it's not clear to me that broad membership is invested in either intervening in the way we're doing things now when we handle public facing material or in developing like a new process that adds steps and responsibilities to what we're doing now, so we have, like, a record of the discussions that I've been typed up on the forum so members can review them, like, if this does become an issue in the future. So for now, I want to get your feedback. But I was going to propose that steering just enshrine like the status quo, where steering committee is like, kind of responsible for final approval on their lane, and then we add like, the ability for either steering and general membership to, like, recall a post once it goes out. But like, that's just the that's just it. And I think I wanted to add some language for
for just saying that the steering committee should only publish material that it believes has either been approved, approved by the membership through a vote, or is in line with what the current membership or what steering believes is in line with What the membership is currently like. Okay with basically, Don thoughts, because my my concern is that outside of like me, Riley, Adrian, like Paolo, no one's really had a chance to think about this, and like no one's really brought it up as a concern, and it seems I don't even appropriate it's the right word, but it's like, how things get up when, like, you just spring this as a concern to like, all their new members, Chris, I like, don't know what's going on even Yeah, and they're like, can you come up with a process on the spot? And like, they don't really know the day to day workings of how the org works. Or, like, yeah, like, they don't know how it works, and then so they don't have, like, a reasonable idea of, like, how they would like to intervene and, like, have a solution. And so I feel like it would just up, because we'd come up, like, we'd come out with some process that, like, makes no sense unless, like, we're again, just being dickish, like, at the general meeting. And like, let me tell you how it is that steering, like, as steering. And like, if we're going to do that anyways, let's just put forward a very status quo proposal and put it up to, like, an up and vote, up and down vote. And then just say, if you do have a problem, there's a thread, work on it, talk to other members if you're concerned. And then once there's, like, more of a consensus that this needs to come forward and there is a problem with how we're doing it, like, then we can address it once members actually have experience enough to come up with a solution, like an educated solution, basically, okay, not thoughts, sorry,
yeah. I mean, I'm basically in favor of that. So yeah,
that seems fine.
Okay. Do we want to fold the temporary working group or do it with
it? Yeah. So, okay, the I think, I think what we should do is for the public facing working group, or public facing media, working with temporary
Working Group on public facing material. Yeah, that one,
that one, we should either delete it or modify it into a standard operating procedure group that just the whole point of it is to just come up with SOPs for making sure that new members can have a like, you know, Chris was saying earlier a thread that they can follow to, like, engage with the organization.
So for things like, and this is on me, I guess, but for things like adding stuff, oh, that was the other thing, okay, on the calendar, me and Riley talked about this, like, stuff that we're supposed to be delegating that's, like, very basic, like, add the events to the calendar, or, like, type a draft of an email that we're going to send out about the general meeting, stuff that, like, you need to know how to know how to do if you want to run for steering committee, that we add that to the calendar. Also, like, add in the calendar period. It's not an event, but it's like asking people like, Hey, can someone like, do this so you learn how to do it, basically, but you need an SOP for that. So,
I guess that I feel like we should just, like, fold it and make a new one, instead of transforming it. I guess same thing, whatever.
Yeah, it has the same effect. I don't, yeah, I don't know if one's easier than the other. Maybe would be the reason, but like it has is ends up being the same thing. So
modifying it as one vote closing and opening is two votes. So let's modify There we go. Okay, so modify it to sop development group or something to help. So let's say, like steering identify areas that need an SOP so they can help us prioritize and then develop SOPs themselves for areas that they can and ensure they the SOP is good, I guess, like the new members can actually, like, use it. So you had in mind, Riley,
yeah, because, like, that was kind of like what I that I had in mind originally, so and like, also, it just makes it easier on me, because, like, that means I have, like, a ready to go working group that, like, does most of the things that I kind of like want to do anyways, which is, like, get new members involved and it All but, but it also allows us to deal with like, to come up with like guidelines for, you know, for what would have been public facing material anyways, right, to be like, you know, you should have, you should use our font and our color scheme and like, use our logo, or when you
want our style guide, yeah, that kind of yeah,
okay. Like, it just, you know, kind of mix all that stuff into one, one group,
okay, that works. And so just, do we want to add this as, like a, as a bylaw, though? So I was thinking, like so public facing material is basically. We all encompassing from like, emails, social media, posts, text messages, flyers, press releases, website content, and that it would basically be like for the focus campaign stuff, me and the campaign leader have to approve it for membership, education stuff, Riley, fundraising stuff is Chris. Anything that doesn't fall into our buckets would be Robbie, plus like you would be emails and stuff that we and, like, calendar posts and things like that. Do you want to just have, like, an understanding of like, we can also prove each other stuff if, like, we're not available? Yeah,
I think so. I think I think as long as, I think, as long as we know who it was, who it do, approved the thing, yeah, is the thing that really matters.
Okay, do we want, like, do we want this heavily recorded, or just, like, be, be a good steering committee member and be on the other person and just be like, Hey, I approve this.
Probably that. Okay,
let's do that. Yeah, okay. And then for recall, basically, like, if me and a campaign lead approve something, and all three of you disagree, like a three fourths vote is either all three of you, if we expand to five, it's still four. So it has to be like unanimous of everybody else in steering either way for three fourths. If three fourths, you disagree, it gets pulled, or just like a side quest, if a member at like needs a pulled ASAP, they can post on the forum. Get quorum plus one votes, with only two coming from staring, and it can be pulled, or we just wait until, like the general meeting and a member can put it up for, like, an agenda item of like, I want to talk about why this went up.
Yeah, yeah. Because I figure as long as as long as we have a, both a quick option and you can come to the general meeting option if it's like, not super important, right? So, like, using the side quest. You're, you're saying, I think, option on on the forum, if we need to, like, take it down immediately, right? It's like, oh, we need to take it down by tomorrow, right? You know, but I have a feeling most of the things that people are going to have issues with are probably not going to be that critical. And they can wait until the next general meeting, and they can, they can make a proposal to take it down or to censure whoever put it up or whatever. Yeah.
I mean, ideally it's just like a discussion of like, leave it. Let's talk about how we phrase it going forward or something, yeah,
yeah.
Okay. Everyone happy with that? Chris Robbie, okay. Robbie nodded his head watching
CSI Miami or CSI Miami, NCIS. Can you
see it in his classes?
No, I get it. I just hear the the theme song. I thought, Oh, he's muted. Oh, well, that's one of you guys. Then I don't have anything.
I don't have anything on either. Oh, Am I hallucinating? It's just in your head.
You want it to be there.
Um, okay, I feel like that should be fine. I mean, let's give it, I guess 15 minutes. To talk about in case there is, like discussion on it, and then 15 minutes for how to interface a lot of groups, and then maybe just five minutes on that, because I don't think anyone's gonna object. Let's do 10 minutes on this, because that leaves that should last 25 minutes. This our last 30 minutes, and then we close anything else we want to add.
Nothing good.
Oh, it's not really super important. I could probably just mention it in my No, because it's not really a report. We you and I were talking about doing the post, like posting flyers or whatever, and,
yeah, just in general, yeah.
And I think that if. We're if we are going to do that, I need to recruit the people who are going to do it, like early, because even though it doesn't take a lot of like training to put up flyers, it does take a lot a little bit of like practice to get used to doing it. So we might want to just put it out and be like, Hey, we're, we're looking for people to do a street team kind of thing. If you want to join. Put up flyers, hand out, you know, hand out leaflets or whatever. Put up stickers, I don't know, that kind of Yeah,
okay, I added it five minutes. All right. Um, I think that's it. I don't think we really have, like, a lot to vote on. I think we're like, set in terms of like we're doing what we're doing. We don't have infant side quests for Palestine anymore. So I think just focusing on, like, clear updates and context for what's happening, and then doing the focusing on the calendar stuff, and then just quickly talking about Super Monday, working with other people. Like I don't think anyone's going to be working with us anytime soon, anyways, so I'm just going to do this at the end. If you run out of time, it's fine. I don't fine. I don't think in the next month we're gonna have clamoring for people working with us, the temp Working Group. Hopefully we can just sign off on that, and that'll be that. And then, and then street team, and then at the very end, how to interface with other groups, because we can talk about it next month if you run it. Yeah. Okay, all right. Adjourning. Meeting. Any objections?
No, I'm all in favor.
Thank you steering for we did it finally, like, yeah, the right date, and we got we're all here.
