Good afternoon. It is three o'clock pm and so we will began working in progress for the police commissioners, noting that we don't have a quorum. We will wait until we have enough commissioners to begin our formal agenda. But that does not stop us from beginning our meeting as we do each week with a word of invocation. And so we're grateful today to be joined by Deputy Chief Chaplain James Powell, who providers our invocation today by zoom, Chaplain Powell.
Amen.
Thank you very much. Let us pray. Lord God a great thing your wonderful, merciful name. We thank You, Lord for just looking down upon us and blessing us. Lord, I asked you Lord, just bless the Lord. Our meeting has you would happen to be asked you Lord God, just to look down upon our mayor looked down upon our chief and Lord God looked down upon this great commission, Lord I asked you just to look down upon the chairperson and the assistant and the staff and the members of this great commission. I asked you Lord God, just a blessed touch and anoint, let your blessings be upon them. Lord God, I asked you to draw their minds together and let your blessings be upon them. Lord, God help them to be one and Lord God, just give them that wherewithal, Lord God to duty to do the job that must be done for this great city. I asked you Lord God just to bless each and every member, strengthen them, strengthen their families, let your blessings be upon them. Lord God, we give You all the praise honor and glory. In Jesus name, amen. Amen. Thank
you so very much. With that we will now move on to announcements. We'll have Mr. Brown to provide us with those Mr. Brown.
Good afternoon, Mr. Chair. The announcement next meeting for the OPC is April 4 2024 3pm, located here at Detroit Public Safety headquarters. The next community meeting will be Thursday, April 11. At 6:30pm with the night present hosting the location is for resource and Engagement Center that addresses 154, NAMM one melanin Street, Detroit for a 205. The modeling community meeting scheduled for April 2020 for special committee and training committee meetings meet Monday, April 1. At 9am. Partners committee meeting meet Tuesday April the second at 5pm. policy community and meet again Tuesday April 16. At 5pm says complaint meeting, committee meeting meets Tuesday, April the 23rd at 5pm. And the policy committee meeting again Tuesday April 30. At 5pm and Mr. Chair, all those can be viewed on Zoom and they are located here due to a public safety headquarters.
Thank you for that Mr. Brown and I believe post this agenda being printed. There is an additional personnel and training committee meeting that has been scheduled for April the third 2024 At five o'clock pm in the wood room. And so again, we do want the public to be aware of that we do see we do indeed have a quorum present. And so with that, we will go to our formal agenda. I will begin by introduction of commissioners by Secretary Brown. Chairperson
Presley here, Vice Chair versus Smith here Mr. Linda
Banagher attorney Linda Bernard district to present Commissioner Sandy banks
Present. Mr. Willoughby Alexiou an excused absence committed Commissioner Willie burden. Commissioner Lisa Carter, Commissioner Ricardo more present Commissioner Hey Zeus Hernandez, Commissioner Gam exponent excused absence Commissioner Dr. Woods
present or we do indeed have a quorum. With that we'll now move on to the approval of the march 28 2024 agenda. Is there any objection to this agenda? Hearing no objection, the agenda is approved. We now move to the approval of the minutes for March 21 2024. Is there any objection to these minutes? Hearing no objection these minutes will be approved. Let the record reflect we've also been joined by Commissioner Willie Burton, who is here with us this afternoon. Next we'll have the introduction of the LPC staff Chief of Police elected officials representatives and community leaders by Mr. Brown. Mr
to your current we have with us Chief Investigator Joe Warfield. This candidate Hayes, Mr. Underwood, Miss Jasmine Taylor. Supervise investigators though Sonia slo DPD HR director, Katrina Pattillo. Don Handyside is the court reporter. Skip is doing a video. Sergeant Quinn is doing the audio and sitting in for the chief is ACS arguing. By elected official Miss Murray overall. A state representative Tyrone Crowder's office, Miss Yolanda Lockett city council member afraid to her auditor's office and former Commissioner William Davis.
Thank you, and again, we're grateful for everyone's attendance. At today's meeting. We now move on to our border police commissioner's offices report. Well, I will share that we had the opportunity to present before City Council for our budget hearing. I believe that it was well received. It seems as if we may even receive a little bit more in our funding than even the mayor had suggested as a result of that presentation. And so again, we are grateful to our staff, with our fiscal manager, Andrew freeze, and all those who've worked diligently to ensure that we've had the best presentation before the council again, it was emphasized that our focus is to address the overwhelming backlog that we have been carrying with as it relates to our citizen complaint reports. And so in lieu of that, hiring all our investigators is our utmost focus. And so in order to do so, there is a new posting that has been presented by the city's HR department and we encourage all of those who know individuals or within themselves, find your skills to match the expectations of the responsibility of a board investigator to indeed apply. I believe that posting will be up until April the 12th. And again, we are asking that you cast the net both broad and wide, so that we might receive the best candidates to help us become fully staffed because it is the confidence of our chief investigator in which we share that if we can become fully staff that we'll be able to significantly and sufficiently address not only the current cases that are coming in are relative to citizen complaints, but also to address the backlog is well, also under our border police commissioner's officers report. I do want the community to know that we are indeed responsive to comments and complaints that are lifted in this meeting. And we know that last week there were some conversations relative to the investigations around the death of condition kaneesha Coleman, and so we did do our due diligence in that regard, as it was stated there was a CCR that was submitted for service in that order that was submitted and closed after a thorough investigation. In 2022. There also was a letter that was presented to the complaintant to make them aware of the investigation that had been done and the finding that had been concluded, which again, was that it was unsustained. Also there was the statement relative to a four year request that had not been delivered. And so we had our board secretary, excuse me, our acting attorney to look into that. And there indeed was a four year request made, but it was our finding that the deposit which is required in order for that request to be delivered was not paid and so our encouragement to that family or any individual who wants to information surrounding that investigation is to resubmit that for your request, and then to explore options. If there is a financial burden that you might be able to pay the deposit to receive that information. We also asked for advisement and whether or not we could utilize our subpoena power in order to receive or to retrieve that information and based off how the charter is presented, because there isn't an open investigation and it does not fall into one of the five categories in which the charter enumerates we unfortunately are unable to utilize our subpoena power to receive that information. But again, we do encourage that family or any other individual who desires that information to resubmit your four year request. And then at the moment you receive that deposit fee that if you were able to pay that fee, then und will be in recipient of the information that you're asking for. And so again, we just want to show that we're trying our very best to be responsive to what is being requested of us a particularly as it relates to police misconduct. And so with that, is there any other questions or comments relative to our board of police commissioners Officer's Report? Hearing none, we will now move to our Community Impact Report. We'll turn it over to Chief Investigator Warfield. Thank
you Mr. Chair and to this not overboard. It certainly gives me a great deal of pleasure as we're moving toward full capacity of staff to present before this board today. Three new investigators that started with us on January the eighth of this year. They have been in training for these last three weeks and they are the ones who have started our new process, looking at these backlog cases, some of which he came back to us from the Office of the Inspector General, and they have done a good job. So if he's okay with you, Mr. Chair, I would like to call them to the podium and if you could square them in and we'll present them with their badges. For the day.
It'd be our honor.
We will have first of all miss investigator Jurica Johnson would you come up that's the gator Ramon kill Donnie. instigator Destiny Stephanie
you raising your right hand? We repeat after me. I say your name Ramon codon. Do solemnly affirm that I will support that I will support the Constitution of the United States
Constitution of the United States and the Constitution and laws and the Constitution and laws of the state of Michigan of the state of Michigan and the charter and the charter of the city of Detroit and the city of Detroit and that I will faithfully and that I will faithfully and impartially and impartially perform and discharge performing Discharge the duties of the office duties of the office as investigator as an investigator of the Detroit board of police commissioners, the Detroit police commissioner's according to the law, according to the law, and to the best of my ability and to the best of my abilities.
Congratulations. Thank you so much.
And as the chief investigator mentioned, you know, the new process I don't know if the commissioners have had the opportunity to review any of the cases that has used a new form and format I have done so this past week and I must say that it does add to the efficiency of being able to review these cases in the clear and succinct format and so, we are looking forward to increase productivity as a result of this process. And as we you know, are able to secure a case management system, as well as again be fully staffed with investigators in order to perform the duties of oversight. Is there anything further?
That is my report, sir, thank you.
Thank you. Is there any further questions or comments for the chief investigator? Hearing none, we'll now move on to the chief of police report. Well, we have AC Ewing staying standing and on behalf of the chief police. Morning. Good morning. Good afternoon
for the board short report today. Before I get started we just want to introduce the staff I have with me here today. I have director Lamoreaux
microphone, NASA director mo
manager, Mark Jones, Captain Erica Frederick's Captain Laurie Carter, Captain Donna McCord, Lieutenant star Gonzalez and Lieutenant Robert Douglas. I think I got everybody Alrighty. So to disarm billboards, I'm pleased to report that one number one, this report for this week, we have no disabled members are out or recovering from injury. That is great report for this week. Our crime data just continues to astound. Me. We're looking at historic decreases in crime. Currently, we're down 35% in homicides, a 25% in non fatal shootings. Let me throw up the little numbers, too. That means when I say 35% down a homicide I'm talking 12 Less homicides from the previous year. Non fatal shootings are down 39 shooting from the previous years which is 26% robberies down 78 Less robberies than we had last year. Down 26% and total part one crimes were down 10% to one and 30 less part one crimes from the year before carjackings, as we had in the past years has always plagued the city of Detroit. We're currently about 34% and carjackings, and I got one particular case to talk about a little later, but that's down 14 from last year. Currently, we're doing our drag racing detail. As you know we primarily bring it up every every summer. We're getting out early this year to try to get ahead of these drag racing incidents across the city. And we're still we're storing some some good numbers as it relates right now. We're not seeing the pockets of drag racing as early as we did last year. So hopefully the message is getting out. But so far this year, we're actually for the week of March 22. The weekend of March 22 24th. We investigated 31 People did 24 traffic stop. We investigated 24 vehicles issued four citations, no arrest however the message continues to get out. Total 85 People were investigated with these drag racing. So one of the things we're going to be looking at is, in past we used to issue citation to spectators. You know, it's illegal to actually go to these events and sit around and you're egging the vet on. So we're starting to look at that to be a part of our enforcement as we go forward. You all know that we have our Mental Health Corps Response we're looking at currently last year, we had 30 381 calls for service this year. We're down to 3355. Now what that tells me is we're doing a better job at servicing these individuals and trying to get them help by quite naturally, with a number of things that we put in place. We're starting to recognize what is mental health what isn't mental health and starting to direct individuals to the right path. Over this past weekend. We had an incident where an individual on Sunday morning Rob noon, was at the lodge and Myers 32 year old individually lost his job due to her injury and lost his family. And just at that particular point just found it. There was no other way that he could find to live and he wanted to jump off the bridge. However, our mental health care response or proud team and Detroit Police Department responded and after about 20 to 2025 minutes of coaxing. They were able to talk this individual down and get up some services. So just great work by a mental health coach.
Just to get into a couple incidents that have occurred since our last meeting on Wednesday, March 20 2024. In the area of 18,000 block of West eight mile we had an uncooperative individual who was shot. The investigation as it unfolded he was out and about as he claimed he was just shot in the leg and didn't really know who shot him or what what this whole thing was about, but do some good detective work but eighth precinct. We found out that this individual had gotten into an argument with a female who was in a company of another male shots were fired. Discretion was given out with regard to the vehicle itself. And they were able to identify this individual and get him into custody. We're still awaiting the prosecutor's decision on the warp is still up for review right now. The next incident happened Friday, March 22. About 3:20am in the morning. This is a case of individual who was the father of one of the individuals, kids. The mother was an at home with her new boyfriend sleeping the bed. This individual broke into the house with a weapon. The new boyfriend and in the father of the child they got into a fight struggling over the weapon. And in the new boyfriend was shot several times. It was thought that this individual we knew who he was but got away what they did not know is that in the struggle of the weapon and going off the shooter was also the suspect was also shot ended up at the hospital. Great detective work as we whenever we have a shooting there's a chance of individual may be a shot we notify the hospitals they let us know when they have a victim coming in with a gunshot wound they were able to piece everything together. He was taken into custody quickly. warrant was typed in prosecutor's office approve the warrant and he had been charged with assault with intent to commit murder. Home Invasion first degree assault with a dangerous weapon times two weapons firearms possession by hook prohibited person weapons filming firearms times for and domestic violence and he's currently in jail on a 75,000 cash bond. The next incident happened is a double fatal shooting. We're asking for to help for the public and happened on March 23. About two two o'clock in the morning. Two individuals route altercation occurred. One victim was shot in the shoulder second victim was shot in both arms in the left eye. A victim was traveling on Connor Avenue when a dark colored SUV of drove alongside fire shots into the vehicle. We have no other leads right now but we're asking if anyone who has any information with regard to this particular shooting will either call when I when I speak up or call or go to Detroit Wars TV to give the information. And lastly, we're talking about a carjacking that occurred Sunday March 24 11:30pm. Officers were dispatched in 14,000 block a Puritan this was not a random carjacking. What we found out through the investigation the victim in this in this case, oh the shooter some money. He agreed to be with this individual to have a conversation I guess with regard to the money. This individual was in the backseat conversation to go right. He pulled the gun out fire shots at the individual striking him and then stole his vehicle. The painting was taken to the hospital center His grace hospital while the officers were waiting for the detectives to arrive at the scene. Apparently this shooter came back to the scene in the vehicle. The officer is astute enough to recognize the description of the individual they were able to take him into custody. He's currently inside wayne county jail. He has been charged with carjacking, armed robbery and, of course, motor vehicle theft currently waiting in jail on a 300,000 cash bond. So let's get on to some positive news. This is going to be from March 21 March 25 to march 31. All the precincts this weekend will be hosting some type of Easter event for the children. The second third, fourth eighth 10th and 11th precincts will have all have Easter events. The fifth precinct is holding a game night for seniors beginning at 430 today at their precinct and tomorrow the fifth precinct will host a crow crow kick club and play croquet long time home if you guys have I may be dating myself because it probably but a lot of people here don't know what croquette is, is for the seniors from between 4pm and 6pm. On Tuesday, March 26, the chief attendant Islamic center for center Detroit law enforcement dinner, which recognizes the work of the law enforcement officer. So US law enforcement celebrates the partnership between the police and alumni community. That was a great event. It was attended well by all the law enforcement agencies. On Saturday, March 30, Detroit Powell will give away sports equipment for kids from ages four to 14 from 12pm to 2pm. At the corner, the corner ballpark. And lastly, let's talk about Well there's a couple things I want to talk about but we have a coffee and cake on March 30 For those who may know. Corporal Marcus Harris will be returned from Detroit police department after 27 years of service he worked at the 11 precinct and of course, you know this is March Madness for city Detroit but throughout the month of March our precincts will hold dedicated movement and health seminars from February to February for various heart health events. Now I will tell you outside Police Headquarters April 8 to the April 12. We will have a heart screening semi truck outside for those of you want to come out and get yourself screened so we can kind of dig and get ahead of some things that may be occurring within our bodies we know myself included. We don't always go and get help when we need to get help. I'm talking to the men in this room. But here's an opportunity for us to go out and make sure that we stay heart healthy because we're supposed to be here for ourselves but not only that for our family so we take great pride in bringing that to the advantage for anyone in this particular building. Anyone in the community wants to come out please do. That concludes my report.
Thank you any questions Commissioner banks,
do the chair Blessings to you and your household? Assistant Chief. Now, crime is down in a lot of major areas in the city of Detroit. Is that because of the addition of the new officers that the Detroit Police Department is hired? Or can you give me a little briefing on that?
Sure. I think there's a combination of things Commissioner one certainly the hire of new officers help us out okay without without a doubt but the board in the city of Detroit allowing us to to take advantage of technology number one, citizens working with the police department to solve crime is number two. When you look at the numbers of these decrease in crimes, part one crimes. It's just not the Detroit Police Department. It's collaborative effort. You know, and in doing so, and as I said before, when I was here last time I have not seen this level of cooperation with the police in the community in my 30 years. And I think that is our relationship. The technology that you allow us to have the equipment were able to get helps with all that.
Assistant Chief, what type of can you give me a percentage, what type of role do the community play at help in solving crimes? If you can give a percentage wise, I
can't really give you a percentage, but I can tell you if our precinct commanders were here, they will tell you that the relationship we have with the community we're seeing no record of cooperation with citizens giving us information. And if you think about 911 calls, start with someone from the community call. We don't just happen to be in those particular areas when it happens. Someone's calling but the the additional information that we're being given is helping to solve crimes.
I'm all set Mr. Chair.
Thank you any further question, Commissioner more veteran Mr. Chair,
just a couple quick questions under the daily precinct crime report has criminal homicide. How many other different types of homicide are there?
term you talking because
are you look on the second page it says criminal homicide and it has a breakdown by precinct. I would just wonder how many other different types of homicide are there? I'm kind of vehicle to homicide. Yeah, yeah, justifiable homicide. And I was just wondering how many different types are they and how are they categorized? If they're not listed on here under criminal? I
don't have an information for you right now. But I can get you that information. I didn't bring that with me today. But you're correct. We have vehicle homicide. We have justified homicides, things of that nature. Okay, when you look at the stats we're talking about here we're talking about criminal homicide. Okay,
and sexual assault. Is that all four degrees or is that just the top three which are felonies?
That's this. I think it's all sexual assaults. Awesome. Okay. Thank you. Chair.
I think we may have a correction here. ACU dealing with sexual assaults are considered. So I heard shake up your staff there to that response,
if they would like to come up to the mic level.
Apologies. sex assaults are as part one crime defined by the FBI rcsc One and CSC three.
Can you give us your name? For the record?
My name is Steven Lamoreaux. I am the director of crime data analytics at DPD. So just
a follow up, Mr. Chairman. So what about CSC tos? CSC
two is not defined by the FBI as a part one violent crime it is a part two crime and so our stats report part one crimes under the thank you to the chair. Yes,
question mission of burden.
Thank you. Question for Assistant Chief. Our Detroit. Residents like to know what cities that the Detroit Police Department have sharing data agreement with and does their policies line up with Detroit's policies.
So I believe that question has been asked before
it's been it's been raised for several weeks now, Chief, but our Detroit residents still like to know. And we do also understand if the department is still you know, working on working on providing that. We just like to know a date when that information will be provided because we really like to know. Well,
Commissioner Burton, I would suggest that there has been a document provided to us with all of the law enforcement agencies that DPD has a data sharing agreement with and what we can do so that we can respond to your passion and desire the community knows that Acting Secretary we can get a copy of that at one of our next meetings and have that so that Commissioner Burton can read that on the record. He can read all of the law enforcement agencies that DPD has a data sharing agreement with that way the community can be made aware of who the cities and agencies are point
of order and for point of information, Mr. Chairman, is that the Detroit Police Department can share with the board and also with the community on what cities they have data agreements with. But also does their policies reflect the CDD choice policies, policies that the Board of police commissioners, Commissioner Linda Barnard and myself who've been on the policy committee for years and in fact, she's Chair of this committee. We like to know and even Commissioner woods as part of this community. We all like to know what cities what how their policies line up with our policies. You know, because the board is responsible for policies, rules and regulations, according to the city charter.
And maybe there's a way that we can try to make that more digestible and understandable, but it's my understanding the way that the data sharing agreement works is that the agencies that you have this agreement with, are beholden to operate according to that agreement.
That is correct within each year. Our agreement is with that particular agency and how it's laid out, please, if they have their own policies, we have nothing to do with their policies. What we deal with is a agreement with that particular agency. If that particular agency violates our agreement, then we we take action based on that we don't we don't chair over what their policies are. We have nothing to do with that.
So that the use of the data that they may receive from DPD has to be used according to the agreement that DPD has created with those law enforcement agencies.
To the chair question for the chief. So we like to see their agreement and what that language what it what it what it says, but we also aware that there is our article or report that was that came out in a wire, and so that raise a lot of eyebrows from our civil liberty activists, and we don't know what these other cities are doing. And we don't know what type of punishment for those that violates agreement, and we don't know what their policies are. But we have policies here and we just wait to see what Sadie's DPD has agreements with contractor great agreements with but also we like to see what their policies are like. Okay,
and so I will reiterate, Acting Secretary brown must make sure that our next meetings that we had the information that DPD has provided us, relative to the cities that we have the data sharing agreement with, just in case this comes up in the next meeting, we'll be able to read it on the record. So again, there's no confusion, one that DPD has not responded to that request and to the community can be made aware of what that response entails. Because Commissioner wouldn't
share once again, that was not in our binder. We have not received that in a binder that also have not been shared in this meeting. First that report. If a report is available, it'd be nice if the public is to translate the final within that report as well from from a transparency standpoint,
it has been a part of our incoming communications from our board secretary it has been emailed to commissioners, but that is precisely what I've asked the ACTING BOARD SECRETARY to do for us so that next meeting whenever you might mention it or need that information that it will be available so that we can read it on record to respond to again your your desire and passion to ensure that the community is aware of these cities and law enforcement agencies. That we had this data sharing agreement with Commissioner woods. Yes.
The chair assistant chief is it is as you stated the the agreement, violation of those agreements would resolve in us, you know, disassociating yourself with those agencies, when there are some clear violations that would not be comparable to what our policies are
right that is correct. That's great. And it all depends on what the violation is. And you know, the severity of that. I can't answer that without knowing exactly what that would end up being but we have data sharing agreements signed, and we're holding them to that
and they hold you to their to the agreement on their hand, right, that you hold each other to the agreements and there are severe violations. Have there been situations where there has been some violation that if you do not if you if you know, of any other agreements,
I don't have the information with me here. I don't know any as of yet, but I will check with my staff and I will let this board know we have that but I don't remember any of
has there been a time in your mind? If you can remember you may or may or may not know. Have we dissolved any relationships? Based upon any violations anything cause for alarm?
Yeah, Director laminal. I would have him come up in the talk about that if he knows.
Good afternoon to the chair. As far as LPR data sharing agreements, which I believe the focus of this conversation is there have been no violations that we are aware of, for these data sharing agreements, the approximately 30 agencies that we have entered into those agreements with throughout the years. I'm not certain, you know, before I was involved in data sharing agreements, certainly our data sharing agreements have expiration dates, and so they will lapse and if they are not renewed, then they are no longer valid. Okay, thank you.
Is this to the point? Okay, so permission more
just to just to food for thought, how will we know if somebody actually did violate?
I mean, there's a few ways right. You know, there's a lot of communication within the law enforcement. It may be in the media, we may become aware of it through our communication channels.
All right. Commissioner Bodnar quickly, I think what a commissioner burden is is getting it. Assistant Chief is where in my view and probably in the view of most, most persons who have residents in the state of Michigan, a well run police department with gold standard limitations. On what officers can do, what they can't do. We have a very vigorous OCR with a lot of things. So I think what he's he's trying to understand is whether or not other the people, the organizations or cities that we have agreements with, we can say Southfield or Bloomfield Hills or whatever. Whether or not they have similar protections within their departments, that for citizens that we have, and hypothetically, if, in fact, they didn't have those protectors, if if you felt for example, that people were being or you were aware that people will say African Americans in Bloomfield Hills are being misused or abused or something, then what he's saying is we shouldn't have a data sharing agreement with them. Am I wrong about this? Is that what your point is that he's trying to get to the end and that will go back to your department? Where you where you fit that to the gentleman just spoke? Where you physically look at the organization's when you've got things that you already cleared, like FBI, Homeland Security, we're not talking about that. He's talking about communities within the state of Michigan, with which we have data sharing agreements to see if if they have, quote, constitutional policing. Like what we signed on to do with President Obama. I think that's what the point is. But that would that would require require some analysis by you to make sure that, you know, we're not helping an abuser, like helping a wife abuser, something like that. Again, I think a lot of the confusion can be mitigated by again, having the agreement prepared so that the language of that agreement can be provided because again, I think that there's a very narrow scope that is presented that allows for these instances where data is being used. And again, I think that it is valuable and appropriate and oversight to ensure that these agencies that we have agreements with aren't misusing the data, but I believe that that is a shared desire from DPD. They wouldn't want to damage the effectiveness they believe this technology is having in our city by entering into an agreement with another law enforcement agency that might put that at risk. But again, if we can have that prepared, as it has been for several weeks now, but so that my colleagues might be able to review that language so that they can be clear. What are the barriers, the ramifications, the narrow scope of these agreements that we have with these different law enforcement agencies, so that we might be able to again to let the community know why DPD is confident in entering into agreements with these law enforcement agencies. Commissioner words
through the Chair, Mr. Director, you might want to stay up there for one that's one second. Are those agreements do they mirror the same language? Or are they are there some differences in some of those agreements?
For me through the chair for LPR data sharing agreements, they are all the same agreement? We don't we don't modify them for specific agencies. There are, you know, other agreements in place especially for grant funded programs. We have university research partners serving you know as technical assistance and analyzing the effectiveness of these programs and those look different but again, clear standard based on what type of information is being shared. Oh, Mr.
Commissioner,
more directly, can you look at the Michigan State? I think that was interesting because this, I guess this kind of like pulled together with Michigan State and each one of them like a cookie cutter for each of the 30 Plus that I've read. Michigan State's name is us now shared our commander Parrish and we kind of discussed the state will get back to me he still has it but when you pull that one just look at it and you probably understand why I'm so if you have any questions, you can reach out to me.
Wait, we prepare it on the spot. I mean, I know you weren't prepared for a presentation in this regard. Commissioner Hernandez.
Thanks to the chair. Could we just request a presentation at a future date regarding this given just the amount of questions
I think that would be sufficient. Thank you. Right. And so without any further questions for AC Ewing relative to the chief of police report, I have a question. And I don't know like timing wise, you were talking about beginning the drag racing team again. And I noted and again, I'm just trying to have a sense of pinpointing when the speed bumps started to be popularized in our neighborhoods and communities and wondering if this is the first summer where they've been widespread and how you figure that that might impact on the drag racing that we have historically seen in our community.
And this is my personal opinion. I drag racing with a speed bumps I don't think really have any effect on drag racing. Normally, drag racing is on main thoroughfares. Most of the speed bumps are in neighborhoods. So it does not have an effect on it. At all.
Thank you any further questions? All right. Commissioner Bodnar just real quick. I think one of the things that would be helpful to us is if you could find out regarding the other communities with data sharing agreements, whether or not they've signed on to the constitutional policing a methodology upon by by President Obama that most major cities have accepted or adapted. If they haven't adopted it, there's a reason and that may be a reason that we might not want to communicate with them. So when scheduling this presentation around this data sharing agreement, I'm going to have Acting Secretary brown to send out an email to all commissioners, providing us a timeline by which you can submit all questions that you may have relative to the data sharing agreement, so that the presentation can be comprehensive, and indeed answered the questions you may have. I know we've lifted a lot of them and so you may sit and deliberate with them for a while, but if we can kind of compile all of those questions so that DPD compare four responses. I think that that might help us to be efficient in that presentation. Commissioner burden.
Real briefly, just a quick statement. I just wanted to say to Assistant Chief, you wanted the best assistant chiefs that we have had here in this department, but you know, the questions that are raised today and the questions that often raise at this table is based off of how my district five residents feel. They bring their concerns to me. And so as long as I'm at this table, I'm their voice and so I'm sharing what's been on their hearts and their minds as well. As you know, this on my heart and mind as well. It's one of my constituents. And this is information that we we like to know, because our community wants to know and so, but you know, and you know whenever we can get the sooner, the sooner the better, you know, we get this information will be will be helpful because the public has a right to know as well.
All right. There's no further questions. Thank you so very much
for your work in this board.
Thank you for your report. And now we'll move on to oral communications and public comment.
Who do we have Good afternoon, Mr. Chair. Good afternoon. We have Ms. Shanita Williams. Miss Elena Moran and Russ Bell et
Hello, everyone. Hello. We always talk about transparency. You know, accountability. And having come here like I said almost a year and I've been complaining about police officers stalking me following me, but I just found out recently, I want to know who's given them permission to follow me undercover officers. When I was in PA undercover officers acting like they homeless people on a bus is everywhere I go, who's paying for this who gave them permission to follow me around like this and I continue to complain about police officers and violate my constitutional rights. I stay in a shelter. They came in here illegally without a search warrant went through all my stuff. constantly coming up here. I continue to complain about all of this illegal activities from police officers. So who's gonna be held accountable for this? And who's given them permission to do this? violate my constitutional rights. And every time I tried to get some legal help, all my devices, I don't care what carrier I get. I cannot get in contact with the people. My calls are being redirected all type of stuff. And it's an undercover officer working at the shelter. So I want to know who's paying for it, and who's giving them permission to continue to interfere in my life and violate my constitutional rights. Thank you.
Let the record reflect I'm sorry Commissioner nandus has has been joined us but also we've been joined by a commissioner Lisa Carter, our next public commenter. AC Ewing, what department or precinct is responsible for undercover officers.
We have a number of units that we deploy undercover, but none for shelters. I'm wondering what you know, her issue is I have my staff here being certainly talked to her about that, but I can assure that we don't have any undercover people in the shelter's Thank you. Go right ahead.
Thank you. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. I want to thank you for raising interesting and important discussion and sharing of data. And I just want to before I make my comment about the resolution, I would also like to add that Detroit drivers have a much greater insurance burden than suburban drivers, and are much more likely to be profiled. Immigrant drivers, particularly undocumented persons have been criminalized for driving now for a number of years, and also cannot legally drive but still need to go to work. So when we look at sharing data between Detroit and other cities outside of Detroit, particularly the suburban areas it's very important to know that people who are not criminals are being criminalized because they don't have the money to pay this insurance or don't have the status to legally drive and yet are committing no crimes. So I want to really go on the record and thank the burden for raising that issue of the data sharing, but it's a really important part because if you look at the bus stops, who's waiting for buses that don't come who's waiting for buses that may or may not ever get people to work and cannot afford the insurance and the kind of fines that people have been having to pay and the amount of money that we pay for car insurance in Detroit. I know that I pay double what my sisters in Ann Arbor pay and I have liability only and they have full coverage for nice vehicles. I'm paying more for my hope DS for only liability. So if it gets stolen, I don't get anything if it gets if it gets smashed up. I don't get anything. I pay simply for the right to drive more than they pay for full replacement of their vehicles. This is the racism of the insurance industry, which is really far reaching when it comes to drivers. So I want to thank you for taking that up. All of us here. who live in Detroit know this. Everybody gets profiled or not. So we really need to keep that in mind. It's a very unjust system. Now that my concern is your time. Well, that was my time. Oh, thank you. I'm sorry. Thank you. Okay. Well, you know what to do? Okay
this is gonna be a difficult your name, Russell and I spent a decade researching and wrote a book on aspects of the Holocaust excuse me, from World War Two. And I found that Detroit has a special burden of implications that most other places in the western world do not in the North American world do not regard it the Holocaust. And I'm talking about this today because my wife and I pay attention every day to what's going on in Gaza. We are opposed to mass murder, whether it's Auschwitz, whether it's Tulsa, or whether it's Gaza. This is not self defense. And anybody who dilutes themselves into thinking that because some preconceived doctrine are looking at the bodies of the children,
of the women.
And we have to do take special responsibility. Now I'm going to give one example because these corporations that are doing surveillance, American corporations, IBM, organize the intelligence and the surveillance and the data on all the Jews of Europe. Organize the railroads that took them to Auschwitz, IBM and the Holocaust for our neighborhood, Henry Ford organized the anti semitism was the only American praised by Hitler in mind calm. We have a duty to make sure our technology and what we're supporting with our taxpayer dollars is not being used to elevate the persecution of Israel and if any corporation is getting tax money, that relationship has to end because all their production is being used for the surveillance that will be executing the population and that is a stated by leaders of Israel
Thank you Mike, Shane, please. Minister blood are you speaking today? You after Mr. Shin? You're after Mr. Xiang.
Good afternoon, commissioners. I want to speak in support of the resolution on Gaza. I think it's very important. I think it's an no brainer, in fact in the city of Detroit that we would call for an immediate and sustainable ceasefire in Gaza. I wanted to relate to rally that we organized on Martin Luther King Day and without any prompting every speaker at the rally that was our 21st By the way rally that we've been organizing in Detroit. on MLK day, every single speaker without any prompting, spoke in condemnation of what Israel is doing in Palestine, not just in Gaza, but in the West Bank. So I think it'll be really easy for the commissioners to support that. But we also need to look at the surveillance technology, if any of those technology that we're using in Detroit is being tested and experimented on in the West Bank or on Gaza. We should not be enabling that by purchasing it. We need to take a close look at that. And if this technology is being developed in other countries, the city of Detroit should not be purchasing that. We need to find better sources. I'm actually opposed to a lot of this surveillance but that's a whole nother question. I think it's also fitting 60 years ago, we had Freedom Summer where young activists went down south organize Mississippi for the you know, to register to vote. I think it'd be a very good tradition for shot 60 years later, to take the Palestinians under our wings and offer complete solidarity. It's also a 1964 60 years ago that the Palestine Liberation Organization was formed. So I think it's fitting that we commemorate that this year by passing this resolution and saying that we don't want to get any surveillance that's been experimented on in the West Bank and Gaza on brown skinned people making the same identifying mistakes that the technology makes here. However, in Palestine, the consequences are much more lethal if you're misidentified. You're killed. Thank you.
Good afternoon. Board.
Afternoon.
Minister Eric blunt from Sacred Heart Catholic church right here in Detroit. Jefferson Presley is not often and I find an opportunity or a reason to thank you, but I want to thank you for what you did last week. When the Auditor General said that their report was not complete. Commissioner Bodnar was visibly shaken. And she started asking for preliminary draft reports. So she said the quiet part out loud, but I want to thank you Commissioner Presley for demanding that she stopped trying to interfere with any investigation on this board. I demand that Commissioner more that you continue to request a federal consent decree over this police department and particularly this board of police commissioners. Every week, there is in our lawsuit settlements and people of color being released from prison or jail just due to their innocence to the police department, no matter how many Easter egg hunts you do. If you don't root out the bad cops in this police department, our children will continue to fear the police officers and no amount of Easter egg hunts will ever stop them. And yes, Darnell Vance was we believe murdered. Lamont Johnson was murdered. And we thank God had finally Darnell Ewing was released from prison because he has proven to be an innocent person. Thank you.
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Thank you. And we do have a facial recognition presentation is coming directly after public comment. And the AC Ewing a relative to the drag racing is the ATV surveillance a part of that team that comes out in the summer.
So you know we have of course we're plagued every every year with the ATVs. We have helicopters that we utilize out there to help us with drag racing. I don't want to give away a lot of our techniques out there for corralling these individuals but we do have a contingent of video visuals out there spotting for these locations for us. Okay, maybe
somebody in the department can reach out to Ms. Maddox and figure out her her route. Because it seems like it's a prevalent issue, wherever she might be traveling to see what other assistants might be. Absolutely. Thank you.
Mr. Hill.
Yes, you can go right ahead.
My name is Chris Gilmer Hill, lifelong resident of the city Second District. I'd like to first thank the other commenters who came before for their comments supporting Commissioner Burton's ceasefire resolution and call for disinvestment in surveillance technology with direct ties to international human rights violations. And thanks to like Ross, and everybody else who spoke I know, it's this is a difficult topic to talk about. It's incredibly important, but it's also a genocide and that's never easy to discuss. I urge this commission not to take a cowardly route out. City council has already done their job. Now it's time for the Board of Commissioners to do your job. You have the duty to protect civil rights here and abroad. This is fundamentally an issue of human rights. And there's zero justification that anybody could possibly give for why the city of Detroit should want to use technologies that are directly tied to international human rights violations. I understand that there are members on this board who get squeamish anytime the word surveillance comes up. I would urge the desire to rubber stamp existing policies should not come before this board fundamental duty to protect our civil rights and to protect civil rights around the world. This board has stood for 50 years as a symbol of what civilian oversight can do. This board has a fundamental duty to protect that legacy to ensure that civil rights are protected and the destroyed stands on the right side of history. The way to do that is by passing Commissioner burdens motion and calling for the correct things, not just throwing your hands up and repeating what the council has already said. I am hopeful that the members of this board understand that and that Commissioner Burton's motion will pass.
Thank you. Thank you. Next will be former Commissioner William Davis, and Denise Lyles and CAC Scotty Bowman.
Commissioner Davis
Good afternoon cannot be heard. You can go right ahead. Let's start off by saying that I am strongly in favor of an advocate for a ceasefire and this board should be strongly fought and advocating for it also, as it relates to your budget because you know, as you may or may not know, I call on the city council almost every day. And I'm also strongly in favor that this board more strongly concentrated on getting rid of the backlog of cases. In fact, I when I spoke after you spoke earlier, you know about the Border Police Commission budget, I advocate for even more investigators and what you're asking for, because I think not only should Zhao get the cases under under the 90 days or what have you, but Josh should be able to get the cases so that all the cases regularly up on the 60 days. You know, y'all should be there advocating and supporting the people. You know, far too often, you know, people wondered who are you there for? Hopefully the community can see that you there to represent the community. You know, we have a lot of good police officers but far too often. It sounds like you they're representing the police department. The dislike I think it should be some stronger language dealing with officers that falsify reports, you know, especially when we end up costing taxpayers money for cases being overturned. And especially if people go to jail, and they shouldn't be, you know, so it should be a stronger language dealing with offices falsify official documentation. I worked for the water department for 34 years. If I falsified official documentation, I will be terminated you know, so perhaps y'all need to be a little bit more aggressive and some of the stuff you do and say, and I need to do more as relates to stop and all these people running these red lights. You know, you need some public service announcements. That's all for now. Thank you. Thank you.
Good afternoon. My name is Denise Lyles. Can you guys hear me yes, we
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Good afternoon. Ah, I am a district five resident. I'm also a district five CAC member and I want to back Commissioner Burton on the community and district five his constituents do want to know because too many times we mix or information or resources with other individuals that are not like minded that their city their residents aren't made up of the same mixture as our city and we ended up getting the short end of the stick. So I just want to say I echo that. I thank you for speaking up on not just district five but Detroit that have because we need to know who these other cities are and if they have our same mindset. Thank you, commissioners.
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Yeah, hello. Yeah. There's a lot of people who have passed resolutions opposing military intervention in Gaza, as well as in the past. I remember a lot of people passing resolutions in support of divestment. From businesses that worked in South Africa. There were retirees that had their entire portfolio pertaining to South Africa being modified so that they could disinvest in South Africa. I think we have a similar situation here. Where you have many people dying in a conflict that is ethnically oriented within the same region where different groups are against each other and currently, one group is killing huge numbers of another group. And I think it's totally appropriate to have some kind of just investment here. I'm keeping it focused on surveillance related technology, I think, maybe brings to light certain other issues that are pertinent to the board of police commissioners. It does not prevent them as much as I would like to prevent them. It is a separate matter does not prevent them from using surveillance technologies. It prevents them from disinvesting in technologies connected to Israel, and the fact that Israel is currently using their capacities, whether it be intelligence gathering, or be it surveillance or be it outright weapon tree to kill 1000s of people. That's the problem. And we need to stop that and I think it's, you know, everybody has a bit of responsibility when they make decisions and you gotta like look at the harm that's being done there and take some responsibility yourselves. When you can make a statement, you have an opportunity to do it. And people are asking you to make that choice. And so I urge you to go along with this resolution. Personally, I think a ceasefire isn't enough. I don't think we should be sending any military aid to them whatsoever or any other country military aid for the US alone. But that's my thoughts. Thank you.
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we apologize for what may have been able to present prevent that comment or from sharing, but again, we do thank everyone for your contribution to today's meeting. With that, we'll now move on to the presentation to the board around DPD facial recognition technology.
Good afternoon. My name is grandpa socket deputy chief legal adviser before the facial recognition presentation on begins. I wanted to present to the board that the department has worked with the ACLU and the University of Michigan Law School and revamping the facial recognition policy as well as the eyewitness identification and lineup policy. And as part of the agreement with the ACLU and the University of Michigan Law School. Those changes within those two policies will be presented to the board for the board to evaluate and examine as well. Thank you
sa Southern New Mr. Parr. You can I just suddenly want to say thank you for that, Mr. Ha. I appreciate you're an attorney as well. I appreciate that outreach to another law school and other university and also to the ACLU. And please communicate, I think all for all of us, our collective. Thank you for that initiative by the police department. It wasn't required by the border. We do our own. But that was that. That's commendable. Thank
you. I want to say that the the national deputy director from the ACLU was also involved in this as well. So it wasn't just one ACLU member regionally, it was actually quite a bit of ACLU members who are present in regards to revamping the policies.
We look forward to reviewing the policy. Thank you sir.
Good afternoon, so I will use this presentation to discuss some of these. Sorry, excuse me, I will use this presentation to discuss some of these changes that are forthcoming with the policies that will soon be presented to the Board may have the next slide, please.
So to begin, I'd like to talk a little bit about what facial recognition and facial recognition technology are. So we use software that would be defined this facial recognition technology and we use a version called Data works plus, this is now provided to us by Michigan State Police, specifically the statewide network of agency photos, which is a division there that I will refer to a snap for the rest of this presentation. So snap provides access to statewide arrest photos only for the use for facial recognition, right so only statewide arrest photos can be used for facial recognition comparisons. We also through our policy and this is in the current policy and will of course be continued in the new policy. We limit our usage to just a few types of crimes right so part one violent crimes and home of first degree home invasion. So part one violent crime would be a criminal homicide and as a sex assault, so a CSC one or three an aggravated assault or non fatal shooting, and then a robbery or a carjacking. First Degree home invasion is also included because somebody in this case has broken into somebody's home either in possession of a weapon or while the home is occupied. And so we consider that to be a very high level dangerous situation. I do think it's important to point out that facial recognition software, this is a standalone piece of software, right? This is not connected to any of our other systems. There are no integrations. We can only load still images into this for use and facial recognition searches. There is no ability for us to use video or run this in any way on live streaming. And then I will you know, rehash this point a few times tonight. This afternoon, excuse me. Facial recognition results are only leads right by itself. This is not enough for a probable cause arrest or even to submit an arrest warrant. And in fact, under our new policies that are forthcoming, this will not be enough to proceed directly to a photo lineup as well. So again, this is only a lead. We're looking here historically at recent facial recognition searches the last few years. The this is broken down by month. The dark section of the bars at the bottom show results that returned no match and the kind of tail section at the top. Those are the number of searches that returned a possible match and the lead was generated over the course of the time period displayed on this chart. There were 489 facial recognition searches of those 242 resulted with no match identified and 249 resulted with a possible match and a lead generated
may have the next slide please.
So training is a very important component of facial recognition usage before any analyst is allowed to use facial recognition, or they have to undergo training conducted by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. This is posted periodically throughout the year. Our analysts attend this training and it focuses on morphological comparisons, which is you know the kind of scientific methodology for identifying differences in facial features, structures, measurements and things of that nature. After analysts complete the FBI training, we do our own internal training for them. We go over our policy, we go over our procedures, the process, answer any questions they might have. And then we also give them a little you know, kind of firsthand experience with the application. Right? Well, how they get help through they don't just get thrown to this and expected to conduct their first search by themselves. MSP also provides a fair amount of support and training. They have training that they will conduct periodically, and they offer self service training you know, so online modules through the portal that we access this application through. So the process for how we decide to run a facial recognition and is requested of us is as follows. So, an officer investigating an appropriate crime so part one violent crime or first degree home invasion, will submit a request to the crime intelligence unit that's a webform and they provide a lot of information about the crime. They provide us with the probe photos that need to be loaded into run the search that they've obtained through their initial investigation. But that's not enough in itself to even run a search. Our analysts are instructed and trained to review the case report. So they are reviewing the original report. They're reviewing any additional case notes and supplements. And this is just to make sure that this crime as reported and with all its notes, and whatever investigation has been completed so far, meets our policy and we're allowed to run this. So if that vetting is approved, the analysts will load the photo into snap and run a search the CRU analysts will conduct this search and compare all of the route to many of the returned photos to the initial photo. You do using their morphological comparison training. And they will identify the if there is a photo that they think is a potential lead right they will identify that photo once if and once they've identified that individual within the database of arrest photos. A second analyst will also take a look at these search results. And if they corroborate those findings, it is gone it goes to a supervisor at Cru for review and if they sign off on it, then the lead template can be completed and sent to the investigator as a potential lead. So as part of the work with the ACLU, and the University of Michigan Law School, we have changed the templates that we will be using for facial recognition. So we've added an entirely new template. This one is on the left under the light teal part. It's our vetting template. So when that request comes in, analysts will complete this form and this includes a variety of information just about the crime type. There are some fields there that get filled out to indicate whether or not the review was completed and it meets policy and then we've also agreed to include information provided by the analyst on photo quality and things of that nature. So there's analysts will make notes on obstructions in the photo, the orientation or angle of the face, image brightness and quality, any face markings and other dimensions and size. Now this document will stay with the case right so this will go to the investigator. This will go to the prosecutor and they'll stay with the case throughout the entire criminal justice process. We've also expanded our investigative lead template, so the three pages on the right there. That's the new investigative lead template so we have agreed to put our disclaimer about limitations with the technology as the entire first page of this document. The second page is very similar to the original template. There's some additional information captured on it. It's not that just about how many photos appeared and things of that nature. And then the final page, because this is not enough, right? Because it's important to remember that this is just a lead this is not enough to establish probable cause for an arrest or even submission of an arrest warrant by itself. Additional investigation is required and we now we'll require this to be documented on that form. What that additional investigation was and those steps will have to be approved by the commanding officer of the unit responsible for the investigation and the commanding officer investigative ops only then will a probable cause a recipe allowed or a warrant request be allowed to be submitted. Those are important changes. I do want to bring up you know in this new policy we have some very specific prohibited uses and I think these are important to touch on. So again, this is not allowed to be used for surveillance. This is an investigative tool to generate a possible lead so we cannot use any facial recognition technology to surveil the public through any camera or video device. Similarly, there is no live streaming or recorded video right? We cannot run facial recognition on live videos or recorded videos. We have we are not allowed to use mobile facial recognition technology. So we cannot put this onto a cell phone and go take a picture of somebody on that cell phone and run facial recognition on that is not allowed. We're not allowed to do any predictive analysis related to anything captured in this information. We are not allowed to use this technology related to constitutionally protected events, right. If somebody's just at a gathering, that's a constitutionally protected event. We have explicitly put that in the policy even though it's part of our other policies. We've also added that as a prohibited use in this policy explicitly. And then finally, again, this appears and many of our technology policies facial recognition is not allowed to be used to assess immigration status or for any enforcement of immigration laws. Next slide please.
Again, so to re emphasize, anything produced by facial recognition is only a lead and cannot be used as the basis for a PC arrest or an arrest warrant right. So before any arrest warrant can be submitted or probable cause arrest can be made. This additional corroborating evidence has to be obtained using other sources, other types of investigative tools and methods and then that has to be approved. By high ranking members of the department to ensure that we are not jumping to conclusions that we are not making any arrests without fully investigating it and finding other corroborating emphasis.
Next slide, please.
So this is a little diversion from facial rec but we do want to talk a bit about the photo lineup policy. This is changing as part of this whole process and improvements in the policies and procedures related to facial recognition and photo lineups. So DPD will now use a double blind sequential photo lineup. This is kind of an important direction that a lot of the country and a lot of reform around photo lineups is going so double blind means that the officer or investigator the member of the department who is actually administering the lineup has no knowledge of the investigation does not know who the suspect is does not know what their photo is and does not know where in the lineup it is. So there can be no tells accidentally you know given there can be no no influence from their prior knowledge. Also, instead of having photos displayed side by side, they are now displayed one at a time, right so individually, one at a time is displayed and so there's no comparing photos together at the same time. Witnesses will look through one photo at a time and you know, they will receive the same instructions right that you know the person may not be in this lineup and will not be pressured to pick a person from the lineup and then photos in the lineups that come from snap. Again, right there's they play a role in they have a tool and the ability to create these kind of better photo lineup. So those are improvements that are coming there. And next slide please. And just at the conclusion, I won't read this out loud I thought this was good to leave up. This is the new disclaimer that we have agreed upon so this is the disclaimer that is on every page of every document, the lead document related to it, and is especially prominent as the entire first page of the new lead template.
Where thank you for your presentation. Any questions?
Commissioner woods? Yes, I know Mr. Gan, Mr. Director. When you say you work with the ACLU, and University of Michigan Law School was that Professor Michael Steinberg class
through the chair, yes, sir. Okay,
who is already a civil rights class, right? Yes, sir. And Professor Steinberg, him and his class they didn't want some action with the city of Detroit on facial recognition is that correct? Yes. Yes. And, you know,
my chair. Yes, he was very involved and he brought members of his class during the discussion in regards to revamping v two policies.
Yeah. And He is the former legal director of the ACLU right before he became you don't know that but it's all debt. So that's that's very, very honorable for you to be you got to sit down with them to work this situation out to be able to come up with something robust to protect the citizens of the city of Detroit. And as as it relates to the the identification policy. I'm I sit on the policy committee with our chairperson, but not there. And I believe vice chairwoman Tamar Liberty Smith was on air but we did have and as well as commission of burden, we did have the opportunity to bring in someone who was wrongfully convicted, who has a vise strong in terms of some of the safeguards as far as I witness. Identification, thank you. And so that those recommendations are has been sent and that has been adopted by the Board so you guys are ready to push that policy. Back to us. Is that what I'm hearing today?
Through the Chair, I'm not aware of any suggested changes that the board has made. But the changes that have been made is in conjunction with the ACLU and the University of Michigan. Law school.
Right.
That was passed by committee was that last week? Yes. So last week, you we passed it. It was passed by committee, I think two weeks ago. The board passed it last week. And so it should be if not with you on its way. And so as you all are preparing or massaging the policy, it might be beneficial to review it to see places where there's some overlap, and maybe you can predict some changes that might be suggested a once your policy does come to the board.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman for that and my understanding this policy is been strengthened to protect as much as possible and make it stronger to prevent wrongful convictions. Is that correct?
That's correct. Through the Chair, we wanted to make sure that the policies and training are robust in regards to ensuring that no innocent citizens were arrested wrongfully.
Thank you very kindly,
Commissioner Bodnar.
I just wanted to congratulate both of you gentlemen, again on taking the initiative. I don't think any other police department in the state of Michigan has taken this initiative that that you've identified. And secondly, I have one question, and that is, we'll you'll see our changes. I think they're very consistent with yours and we'll make sure you get that by Monday after the holiday. But will this keep us from getting into all the hot water and the litigation that we've gotten into as a result of MIS identification? And like the arrest of the pregnant lady, the arrest of the gentleman in Farmington Hills, the things that have been so embarrassing to our community and the board and the police department
through the chair, we believe that with the collaborative effort with the ACLU and with the University of Michigan Law School, that this policy and training will be robust, to hopefully prevent anything that had to happen before.
Thank you, and we're using Wayne State. So we've got Michigan now you get the best of the best in the business. Thank you. Commissioner Moore.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Is the double blind photo lineup video videotaped or
the double blind sequential training I believe it is videotaped by the sergeant that's providing the
training, the training or the actual process? Yes.
I'm sorry. Yes. When you look at the new policy, it'll indicate in regards to the lineup procedure that everything will be videotaped and recorded.
Awesome. Thank you, Chief.
Thank you for the course. Commissioner Hernandez.
Thank you through the chair. Is there a retention period of that video.
That retention period will follow the the retention period of the Detroit Police Department
Commissioner woods
as as it relates to the chair as relates to the facial recognition. This is used throughout the world.
To understand through the Chair, I don't know if it's utilized. Throughout the world, but by majority of the nation as well as other countries that are. Again, I don't know what other countries do. But I know that the facial recognition is utilized by countries like England, France and so forth. It's widely used. It's why force
Yeah, and the reason I'm asking that question is because we have before us a resolution to do a ceasefire, but attack attached technology to that. And my concern is is that if we were to pass something like that, how that will affect you know, technology like facial recognition and other technology. If we wish to attach a resolution to a ceasefire, and not just you know, because it's not addressing a company or a specific issue, but we attach or pass a resolution saying that we're against technology, certain technologies, and they you know, people use technology everywhere. They use a cell phone, you know, that's the technology that someone may use throughout the world, you know, and so I'm very, very careful not to confuse the two
through through the chair. I think what the commissioner is articulating is not that it's a opposition to technology itself, but to advocate on behalf of responsible use of technology.
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I don't know if he I don't know if he's referring to the same thing you're referring to Okay. And and I think that they would say that facial recognition is not surveillance technology, correct? That's
correct. Okay. Yep. So
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only using it for violent crimes. Okay.
And I think the more pointed discussion is, are you aware of any company or software that's being used around facial recognition that is also being used in Israel?
Not to my knowledge. Okay.
I think that's probably more pointed to your concern. Thank
you, Mark. Sorry,
I misunderstood. Yeah.
So my question is probably a little bit technical, but again, in trying to get an understanding of the rationale behind making sure that each photo is displayed separately by itself, one at a time, and I'm assuming that that's to try to avoid the confusion that may come from comparison. And so my question is, is that when you have an individual that you are asking to identify, are they able to go back to prior photos?
No, that's the way that the the double blind sequential lineup is is that they look at it one at a time and not compare it
to SRM I get to this one at a time. So say for instance, you show me one, and then you show me the next one. You show me the next one. They all have one at a time, but then I say, can you go back to the one you just showed me two times, two pictures ago. Are they able to go back to prior photos?
I'd have to look at the policy but I'm not sure. I can't give you a definitive answer off the hand. Okay. But the reason why it is a sequential double blind, as you said was so that the individual is not comparing it. And it was a best practice as recommended by the US Department of Justice, as well as our homicide section as well. Okay,
so I've been looking forward to that policy. Any further questions? Here? No, thank you, Commissioner burn question.
Question to the gentleman at the portal at the podium. What do you say to the families, Robert Williams What do you say to his wife and daughters? What do you say to the family of MIKO Bolivar who slept in the Wayne County jail on a cement floor and ate bologna sandwiches for breakfast? Lunch and dinner? What do you say to tore African American woman by the name of Portia Whitworth who was eight months pregnant? What do you say to her? Her little girls and her family? How much is this cost in the city of Detroit and lawsuits and allegations? What is that? What does that total? What is it costing Detroiters? What is the total of these lawsuits and what other lawsuits that may be? Are
these rhetorical questions or do you want responses? I'm only saying that because it might be best to kind of break them up so that they important
point of order. This is for point of information. So you do citizens of Detroit want to know as commissioners we all to know. We understand that three individuals that we all have learned about that was mis identified treated in inhumane way.
I'm trying to ensure that your question is actually responded to so let's begin first with what would you say to the families who have been victimized by being mis identified by facial recognition technology
through the chair. I have met Mr. Williams and I have personally apologize to Mr. Williams on behalf of the Detroit Police Department. Mr. Williams was standing next to the ACLU and his representatives as well as from Professor Steinberg from the University of Michigan Law School. When I offered my sincere apologies from the Detroit Police Department.
And I think she White did the same thing for Porsche. But I mean, that might even be sufficient. But I wanted to answer your question then I think they were second responses. How much money are we spending on facial recognition technology
in regards to any questions that the commissioner may have in regards to litigation costs I would leave that to the law department.
And then the cost of facial recognition in general.
For the technology specifically, there's no cost to the department. It was provided to us by the Michigan State Police.
Was there any further questions do yes there's
there's more questions. How many how many cities that's pulled away from data works plus. And, and and what was some of the reason is that they pulled away. We understand that. Detroit has misidentified more individuals with the surveillance than almost any other city three individuals that we know of that we learned that was misidentified here. Two African American male and a black woman. And then the question is Could there be others and should we be using these technologies?
So how many of the cities have pulled back from the use of data work plus,
through the chair? I don't know the answer to that question. I don't believe that there's a question we would be able to answer. And I don't want to speculate about any reason why if any study has decided not to use them, in
noting that there has at least been three noted cases of MIS identification. How many would you say have existed since DPD? Is you've been using facial recognition technology through
the chair. We are only aware of the three
any further questions?
I will say my comments at a later time.
Thank you Commissioner woods.
How many do business use facial recognition?
Through the Chair? My understanding is there's a robust technology market for the private sector. Although I don't believe we can speak to their adoption of that
right what I what I missed sweets this I know I've been in a number of gas stations because I had to deal with gas stations that were killing African American men in their gas station, locking them in a gas stations and all of that type of stuff. And I'm very interested in that. And making sure that we protect the black young men in the city of Detroit and but going in some of these gas stations. I've found out that many of these gas stations have facial recognition technology cameras in their places. of business, independent of you know any type of green light situation and I was just shocked. You know, like wow, they got facial recognition. So everybody have facial recognition and have the ability to get facial recognition. And are we saying that we don't want to give the city of Detroit or the Detroit Police Department ability to use this technology in a safe way in a way that protects civil rights and civil liberties to be able to bring to justice some people who have I was in a trial today a murder trial someone was killed and you know, it was a lot of controversy there. But you know, technology is being used to solve some of these cases. And so you know, I'll leave it at that.
Thank you. Any further questions? Thank you so much for your for appreciate it. At this time. We'll move on to the report from the ACTING BOARD SECRETARY, Robert Brown as well as incoming communication.
There's a couple of correspondences in your folder. One being that turning the Bell Center over the resolution that city council passed regarding ceasefire. And that's in your package and you can just this also was mailed to all commissioners. So you can review the two with the one commission burden has. And on another note there. We received some questions from council member petition Johnson staff is currently currently looking at those costs and endorse responses on it. So we should be able to finish those sometime next week. Did Receive the OCR weekly report. And just for an FYI for the last couple of meetings, staff has put a Bible in your folder. We really need those Bibles back. The printing contract has been approved. We're in the process of sending samples over to the vendor for the brochures, the newsletter, the annual report and the 50th anniversary booklet as we call it. And so we got a nice staff feet I mean Commissioner feedback to be able to get all this to the vendor. So we'll need those BIOS as soon as possible if you want to update them, just to get to as I said in my email. Commissioner Bernard mentioned it earlier, just in case where everybody tomorrow is what we call Good Friday is the excuse holidays for staff. So Bill PC and OCR office really close. And Mr. Chair that makes
my report. Thank you. Yes, Commissioner Fernandez.
Thank you through the chair under announcements. I know there are a series of committee meetings that are listed. We didn't get to submit in time but the personnel and training committee is actually going to meet on Wednesday, April 3, at 5pm here in the Woodward room at Detroit Public Safety headquarters. We're going to screen resumes for the board secretary position, and from there produce three candidates to submit to this full body for deliberation on April 11, and then subsequent interviews on April 18. So we'll have a scoring sheet and interviews available. And I really highly encourage high attendance at that so that we can all contribute to the interview process.
Thank you. Mr. Moore.
A quick question. Mr. Brown as the Secretary is how do we go about seeing all the meetings that the board have on the online on the website, because some of them are missing.
So had a conversation with media service because of space. They get only reserve a certain amount of meaningfulness, so give me an example. If you want to watch 2021 You have to call me I have to call media servers and say listen, somebody want a copy of that. Can you go back into your archives and put it on a thumb drive or? And so that's what we're facing with this space. Is we do need they have to take some off
because a reporter kind of threw the board under the bus saying look at how they were in 2018. And every meeting was on there. And now you come because specifically it came out about the November 30 2023 board meeting like where's that mean? I said I don't know. I looked it up and just figure it out. I x
and so yeah, given media servers, but that's what they're doing. Now. They kind of what they call hashing meetings because the space
and get to November 30 meeting. Thank you.
Yes. And maybe what we can do is to find out what that space capacity is and then have a notation on the archived page. So then it's communicated that you get the last whether it's less 20 meetings, the last 15 meetings and if you desire a meeting, before then or previous divan and given the instructions to be able to retrieve that commission Hernandez
through the chair just to add to that, could what's the turnaround time now for the IT team or whichever team handles it to upload meetings? I know a few years ago when I joined this board the turnaround was 24 hours. And now it appears that it's
so it's a low media servers has gone into a turnover. That's why you don't see him as a as a member speaking. So they go through a turnover and so as soon as they get that turned on, right now it's about two to three days. But what we do is take that same link, put it out into the board. So you can watch this mean tomorrow. The same link it might not be on video when you want to go to this station, but it'd be on the Board website and what we call other documents. And all you gotta do is click on it. Okay, so that is done the next day.
Okay, thank you, Commissioner Woods
through the chair. So if I understand you correctly, Commissioner Hernandez is that the I see it through the chair. No, you can't speak to me. Okay. With through the Chair, if I understand correctly, as relates to the the process on interview end for the Board's secretary. We're not going to interview the seven candidates that that they push him through but he is going to simply grow through resumes.
So the personnel and training committee will vet the seven candidates, three of them will be brought to this board to be interviewed the general board to be interviewed.
Okay, so they will not interview the the seven people or you know, they narrowed down to the three
Correct? Right we just vetting the resumes to see scoring those resumes and out of those resumes that are guarded there will be actual interview scheduled with those seven Yep. So there'll be vetting the resumes out of those seven resumes, the three top will come to this board to be interviewed,
and that's customarily how things operated. If this were these customarily done, but I would think that you will want to interview those individuals so that you can hear from them and make it a robust manner. Is that a looking at a piece of paper, you know, and but be able to test the veracity on what's on that paper?
Yeah, and we've definitely had the opportunity to do that on the top three that we decide but again, for matters of efficiency and capacity. Again, to do that try to schedule the seven may elongate the process. And if there's a way in the scoring document, that we're able to identify and distinguish who indeed stands out, then we have opportunity to do that. Now there also was the case where we interviewed the three and none of them are sufficient. We still have access to the other four. But again, the way the process is set up, we'll bet the seven resumes come up with the top three and this entire board will have some states only three that selected
I just you know I have to push back a little bit on that because as you know, it was 65 candidates from what it was said that they the search firm talked to and you have you went from 65 and they force fed us for candidates from the fund themselves. And we have three are ready. I just believe that all seven those people need to be in a view so that we won't have to go back, you know, and that we can get this done correctly.
I mean, I think that might be helpful to also trust the process. I think in how we hired the chief of police It was similar situated and again, I think that we got a great candidate by doing so and again, we think about efficiency and capacity. I think that all seven of them because they have been vetted to reach this place will be sufficient candidates capable candidates. And again, with the personal training committee having a rubric to vet the resumes, they will be more in line. And so again, I think that it might be helpful not to be so suspicious ahead of time, because I do think that you will be surprised by the caliber of candidate that will come amongst the three that will again help us to hire more secretary.
I won't be surprised. That's the that's that's what my point is I do not want to be surprised. And the city has been surprised for a very long time dealing with this issue. And I think that we need to carefully do this so that we can make sure that we get it right but you know, I digress. I digress to my chairman and whatever his pleasure is, you know but I don't feel comfortable without interviewing all seven of those individuals,
and your concern is duly noted. And again, my philosophy is cherry is to acquiesce to the will of this board, which is why we went from a cities processed with contracting process, which is why we went from a contracting process to now having the three candidates come before the entire board to be interviewed. That is me being responsive to what my colleagues have suggested they desire in order for us to all be confident in the selection of our board secretary. I have the chair of the personal training committee to speak and then a commissioner
more. No, I'll just do the chair. I'll close up double click on everything you just said, which is consistent with HR policy and HR guidance. So we had a series of deliberations with Mr. Darrell Conrad with Miss Katrina Pattillo has been supporting this process also big shout out to miss Underwood for supporting but it's based on the guidance and you hit it spot on that's the same exact process that we followed for hiring the chief of police so it's consistent. It's thorough, it's going to
produce a series of candidates again already in the seven that I feel very confident about number one, heading this and having clear HR experience professionally outside of this board. So nothing has been forced fed. Nothing is being no agendas being pushed. And the other side note that I would put is that once we do produce the three names anyone who has any tie or connection to these individuals will have to recuse themselves from the process anyway. So whether it's 763 We're still going to get to a point of having a great hire for the next board secretary. And I'm confident that she commissioned a more Yes, Mr. Chairman, will the board see all seven resumes that can be made available ahead of time through the chair so I'm receiving and I'll just give us a little bit of background again. The position was reopened and closed on last Friday, March 22. Those resumes have been screened and vetted again in combination with city HR, along with the search from that that this body retained on Monday for one I'm going to receive along with everyone else on the bo PC. We're going to receive those resumes. We'll have the personnel and training committee on the third at 5pm will produce and review or review first and then produce the three top candidates and that's what we'll bring forth on the 11th and subsequently interview on the 18th. Commissioner burden. My my colleague Commissioner more out of district seven raised the question that was going to raise so appreciate your commissioner or more Commissioner woods so to be clear, we will receive those seven ahead of time before you guys for before the personnel and training committee even do their interviews when you guys get them we will have them to be able to digest them. Because it may be them seven that we not we might think of somebody and that did you might push those three we might say well pull this one up to you know, so I would like to have the information ahead of time. So I think that was communicated is by Monday resumes will be available to all commissioners and Wednesday is when the personnel and training committee will have the interviews and so by that timeline, commissioners will have resumes prior to the personnel and training committee making the decision of the three who will come before this board. For interviews. Commissioner Banagher quickly are you are you Commissioner Hernandez planning to have make a recommendation to the board next Thursday after your Wednesday meeting. I think it's Wednesday, this Wednesday through the chair. So yes, again, just restating that. We'll have the top three produced candidates out of the personnel and training committee after next Wednesday, and we'll bring them forth on the 11th of April to this body. Again, you'll still have those those three resumes in preparation for interviews that will take place during this meeting on the 18th of April. So you'll you'll have the resume, technically two weeks ahead of time, or actually more than two weeks. 18th is the interview day? That's correct. Okay, this wonderful conversation under announcements. Mr. Commissioner, I just want to say to everyone at most, we've lost a number of our people but those are still here. I just want to say to you, I wish everyone here a Happy Easter. Happy Passover and a happy Ramadan. It's a season of of celebration throughout the world. And it is for us as commissioners and for DPD as well. I want to say have a wonderful holiday. Thank you. Is there any new business? Hearing no new business the chair entertain a motion or German?
Yes Commissioner burden
for new business for new business. I'm looking at here for new business, for our colleagues for the ceasefire resolution, the one that council had was not strong enough. It didn't have enough teeth and their resolution. The border police commissioners an independent body that has policies on surveillance and policies when it comes to oversight and we want to also ensure that this board
do the right thing. Last week I raised a broader resolution here. Call for doable, sustained, sustained ceasefire in Gaza. That resolution was also emailed I believe by a Board staff member who's haze but I like to add language like to move that way that we add the following language to the resolution
the part where it says be resolved a point of
order there is no need to move to add language to the resolution because there has been no resolution adopted.
Well do the chair. Okay. Mr. Chair, I like to I like to move that we support the ceasefire, surveillance resolution that I introduced last week, if any of my colleagues second that motion. I will be happy to read that into the record again. As it was read in the record last week. I believe I had the support of Commissioner Bernard. Commissioner Bernard, will you like to have a second? Second that there
is no resolution before me to be able to read a motion before my colleagues of which a motion is being made or seconded.
The motion Miss Mr. Chairman is the motion calling for ceasefire and surveillance in Gaza. It was a resolution that are brought before the board last week. Every commissioner at the table at that time that was present had a copy of it. In the prior week. Miss Candace Hayes emailed it out to our colleagues. And so the resolution was a ceasefire plus a valence resolution and and you had a copy of it last week
number and I'm just going to have to apologize for our unreadiness I would need to have the resolves in order to read that into the record facility and my colleagues might make a motion and so because I'm unprepared for that, which I do apologize for. I should have the copy that was given to me last week, but we can bring that back next week.
Chair any further. Commission car move for German Sir,
is there a second? Second? The property was second. All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. All those opposed, no. The eyes have it. This meeting is adjourned. Thank you
