All right. Thanks, everybody. Welcome. I'm excited about today's call excited about what's going on in magenta. And there's a lot to share eventually. But we do have a presentation. And we want to have a conversation today. But there's a lot going on that we're looking forward to sharing. So the reason do you want to run the call and I'll do the presentation
again. Sure. Um, I think we'll just start with a chicken. I just love doing the chickens, especially when there's not too many of us. Just tell us what you're coming in with. I think it really helps to discuss your present and, and it helps for us to sort of hold what you're coming in with, even if nobody needs to fix it. But that gives you space, to be honest. So who would like to start?
I'll happily start. I'll go ahead bet. Oh, go ahead. I've got this weird balancing going on. I've been listening to like deep esoteric lectures while grinding stone. I've been cutting, cutting a custom fitting like a six piece sided piece of three inch stone to fit a ledge in our bath area. And it takes so many cuts and it's such slow grinding. And while I'm doing it My mind is like in this other place, and really kind of gives this meditative capacity to really feel the stretch. And where am I centered between it? So I know that centered Well, I'm stretched.
Awesome. Thanks, Tim.
And Matt. All right, Betsy,
do your best.
I am probably my normal little bundle of energy Energizer Bunny energy trying to be ready for a 10 day trip. I haven't been away from my little brood here for 10 days in memorable life. And so I'm a little nervous about that. I've got a business trip following my visit with Jeff Louisa, the girls and mom. And that's a new venture that is exciting, but you know, kind of kicks my anxiety into beer. So I've meditated a couple of times already today. And I will so right after the call
to try to
bring myself back into my body so that I can move forward with intention. So I figured this would be a nice, bring myself back to myself time with you guys.
Oh, awesome. Thank you. I'm excited about the trip. And I want to say that my meditation has been really wonderful lately. There's some sort of shift going on inside I have no clue as to what it is I know what what I would like for it to be but and and I'm feeling really happy and and relaxed. But really grateful for my meditation practice just almost brings me to tears. It's it's been so wonderful. And and Tim, when you're talking about meditating while you're grinding stone, I find myself meditating while I'm doing Damn this thing's not grinding stone. I'm not sure I could do that. But I'm just really, really grateful for this course and had a conversation with an old close friend john Macare can, who sends love to Betsy and Jeff. And she looked at the magenta website last night and just stood on her hand. She was so excited. And it's really fun to share, to share what's going on, you know, so I'm coming in with a lot of really positive energy and curiosity. Oh, thank you, Sue. Who's next?
I can jump in if if Mary's holding. They want to simplify. Are you married I'm happy to share Yes, I'm in Portugal, and it is fabulous. But, you know, the end, there's been, you know, a little bit of shifting stirring sense inside because, you know, my grounded rock of my life in, in Sausalito is, you know, is a distance from me now and, and there's a little sort of uncertainty about what's moving forward. So I've just had just feeling into that and being present with it. So I'm coming in with humility around. And, and, and also authentically, really feeling rather than just this sort of outward, you know, I'm on a trip, you know, but I'm actually really deeply trying to understand how I can best you know, do the bring bring into the world, what I would like to bring into the world and and that part is not always clear, it's not clear to me. So I'm really here with with humility.
Cool, thank you, Mary.
I'm experiencing a little chaos as my kitchen is being painted and sort of moving out of the kitchen, which is a big thing for me, and but it will be completed today. I just received the copy of Gary lambs latest book on Rudolf Steiner and technology. I think I just got that yesterday and started reading it. And it looks like it comes out a good time. It's different than what I imagined. And just contemplating steps forward of dissolving things and evolving things. Cool, thank you, Mary.
Alright, so I'm, Karen, I'm interested in your sharing, and I wonder if there will be some useful I don't know guide rails maybe today in the presentation, which is just talking about the higher self, what is it? And how do we know what it is? And not, you know, veering off into some kind of imaginative fantasy about it. So Jeff, why don't we talk about that? And maybe you can? Yeah, hold some of these chickens and see if if there are some points of reference that can bring about some really interesting conversation.
Great. Well, I have been thinking about, you know, this question of churches and Christianity and iconography and, and the way this domain is described, on the one hand, and on the other hand, back in May, I started to get into, to kind of short crypto art non fungible tokens or NF T's. And in the last week, I've just figured out that it's all happening on Twitter. So I've been really researching into this space because there's something there's some connection with, with art and creativity and this intercultural marketplace of artists meaning collectors, meaning artists, meaning historians, and the work that we're doing, which is about becoming creatively alive. And the reason I bring that in is that it's, it's, for Louisa and me, it's vitally important to support to do our best to support the world. In its creative activation, against evil, tyranny, destruction, self destruction, and to end to activate because we've done so much social change Work we've seen that the effectiveness of good intentions relies entirely on whether individuals can outpace their compulsions towards egotism and control and enmity and be creative and co creative together. Does that make sense? Because good intention so often can just build all this project and money and hype. And then the projects implode, and I've seen it so many times that as you know, this is why we're, why we're focused on supporting creative capacity. So the question is for us, and you know, we're finding our way into this how to describe and represent these phenomena in a really inclusive way. And so this is just this is, this is both a fishing expedition of looking for that, but it's also a dialogue to get to get your input, and really trying to narrow in on the phenomenology so that the conversation is not just guesswork, or, importantly, talking about what's comfortable, or what fits our biases. But but because only if we get into the phenomena, can we solve the problem of representing that phenomena? That makes sense. So this week, I thought we would just, I'll share a little bit about why we call this mapping the higher self, and I'll try to keep it super brief. But this is, this is just another step towards diving into these phenomenon, and then we can have a conversation. That sounds okay. Alright, so I'm gonna share my screen, make sure that I've got this, right. Okay, Can y'all see that? Um, so, in the previous weeks, we've been sort of creating these pictures of a human as a complex being where the inner life is like a stage for invisible but very real phenomena to play themselves out. And although we've inherited a picture of the physical body as the source of these phenomenon, as if there's something going on in the blood and the nervous system that causes good and evil, so to speak, or causes creativity or causes genius, or causes self destruction and whatever, these invisible phenomena are, can actually be held and perceived and interacted with, in the phenomenal world as, as they as they reveal themselves in their own on their own plane.
Okay, so Elon Musk said once, he thought thoughts and feelings lived on their own plane, you know, and that's a that was a picture in popular culture of some famous person kind of saying something interesting. Because only if we only if we kind of go after them as they reveal themselves in phenomenology can we actually interact with them on their own claim, rather than trying to affect the physical body in some way to resolve or activate them. So the beginning picture is to kind of live learn to live into these phenomena in yourself. Because when you when you do that, you do gradually see that these are invisible, but real, and that they're not you that they that they play themselves out in you and on the stage, that is you. They've Incorporated, they shine through, they shine into you and shine through you. So that's just some pictures. Now, most people, of course, don't do this phenomenological work. And, and, and they think of themselves more or less as a personality. So as we grow older, we kind of construct, we construct a self, a persona, a me an identity, an ego, and
remember where we're going, and of course, you know, from time to time, it's it's like okay, today I'm sad, right? Today, I'm sad today, I'm happy. And so so a lot of people live their lives trying to be happy and not be sad, never realizing that, that that's just the surface of a lot of phenomena that are playing out. Now I want to paint a picture because this is such a common experience, we kind of go from bad for me, good for me, I'm sad, I'm happy. You know, I'm a terrible person, I'm a great person, whatever this pendulum swing, whatever this pendulum swing is right. And then as a person matures and grows and can finally get somewhere with personal development, it's possible to to find that there is an agency in the soul and in the mind, that can lend balance and creativity and wholeness. And that that agency is just as real as the destructive or the self doubt, or the so called negative and to laureles point. There's a spectrum here. So I'm not I'm just painting in rough pictures. I don't want to paint a dualistic, monotheistic, Judeo Judeo Christian worldview, but I'm just talking about a spectrum of phenomenon. And so when we, when we talk about the higher self, what what really pointing to see if I can find it, yeah. Is what is that agency? And how do we, how do we map it? And how do we get to know it? Because it's not all these things. It's not bound to an limited by it's almost like sun shining into a room, you know, lighting up a room. And, and you would never think that the sun is in the room, the sun is shining into the, to the room, right and you let the curtains in. So so this is a path of discovery, to find that there is something in the human being, and in our world, that is a spiritual potency, that we can open the curtains and begin to let it in. And it's not a picture that we make in our minds and live into, because that would be a fantasy to Louise's point earlier, that would be that would result in bypass spiritual bypass. That, okay, now I'm going to be happy, I'm going to breathe light in and love out, and I'm going to just be a good person, and I'm going to fill my life with spiritual symbology. And all the while there's no transformation, there's just pretense or pretend acting, which is just going to run you around in a giant loop. Because eventually, you know, you'll have to, you'll have to examine reality, right. But if you, if we I would say if humans and this is just my view, if we really take on this task of, you know, getting to know these phenomenon, then we we can feel ourselves connected with schools of thought throughout the ages, that in one way or another, from different points of view in different cultures are seeking that same creative healing and co creative activation. And this is something you can find absolutely in all cultures, and especially the closer you get to the present, the more they have in common if they're really based on phenomenology. And the reason I want to say all this is that you know, for for magenta, this is where the hope for the social future is, is in the, the correspondence between the micro and the macro, between our activating ourselves and in the selfless creative way as we, as we
get to know these phenomena in ourselves and, and can be free, free free are in a creative and spiritual sense and more more creatively robust and powerful correspondence between the microcosm and the macrocosm that that there are there are good there is good In the world, there is good in the makeup of the earth, and in humanity.
So these are the thoughts that I thought to just put together, as we begin our work in Module Three, and mapping the higher self, that it's like a source that like to sign is a source of light, the spectrum that we're exploring is a is a source of the eye, the capital I. And now Steiner says that in his work, and it's a very kind of nice concept in a lot, but the point is to experience more and more to experience one's agency one's to experience looking upstream and seeing that the eye is a gift. And that there is also that gesture of giving, like the sun gives light. And so that for this, for me, is a very exciting time to be alive, because we have the opportunity to do that in in full consciousness as individuals, without reference to our, to our broader culture, or family or bloodline, permission gurus, you know. So although it does have distinct, this is the last thing I'll say it does have distinct ties, both phenomenologically. And historically, and culturally and ideologically and all that to Christianity. It's, it's bigger than historical Christianity. It's, it's bigger than what it's bigger than what we know, I would suggest. And it doesn't exclude anyone doesn't exclude pre Christian post Christian, it's, it's not about the name. It's not about belonging to a religion. And that's why we've chosen a phenomenological approach, because we want to have the dialogue around that phenomenon. So let me stop there. And let's just talk about what's coming up for you guys.
Notice ad goes a little on that. Yeah. So I love this image of the sun shining into the room, but the sun doesn't come from the room, which I think is a lovely contrast, like you've got the narcissist in the center of the room. And they mistakenly believe that the sun shines from them. Right, but really, that there's the ego, but the eye, the higher you know, what we call the higher self, for lack of a better word. Because to say that AI is very mysterious. It's, it's an experience of the sun shining into our room through us, right. And the reason why I want to give this as a picture is because the way that I personally experienced this phenomena is that the less I am bound up in my own habits and compulsions, the less free I am, the harder it is for me to experience this phenomena. So it's a it's a subtle thing, but it requires being it required the experience of a requires the increasing freedom from our own shadow. Which is why module two comes before Module Three. But that's just my build.
So can I sort of repent on that? So I guess what, what you're saying the ouiser is if you're allowing the true funnel of your highest self to come through, that's the optimal and if you're spiritual bypassing and you're spending a lot of time projecting or you know, putting that facade and maybe my words to do with I'm not going to kind of get me portable so maybe I you know, I'm feeling and I need to express that I'm you know, especially with this group, feeling a little unhinged, you know, on as I approach this, you know, is that is that allowing more light to shine through because I'm truly seeing? I don't know, I'm trying to pin together a couple of points. You know, Deb's point about the spiritual bypassing, I totally understand you're, you're focusing on the personality, you're not really kind of allowing the true what's what's going to come through from your higher self Well, you know, maybe we even call The Universe you know, how the universe provides, you know, is that our higher self? I wonder, you know, that trusting what's really there for you? What's the, what's that energy source or that godlike? kind of support of you? I don't know, I'm merging a lot of things probably didn't make much of a sense. But I'm curious about whether the the spiritual bypassing or the projection is actually inhibiting that true life?
Well, I would like to say that, that, that description, I've really appreciate both of you talking about the spiritual bypass, I spent a lot of years and that spiritual bypass. And I'll know that I know that landscape really well. And I'm beginning to know a different landscape. And, and I, I can feel what you're talking about, I couldn't talk about it. But I, I had the realization yesterday that really, all of us are alone, from birth until death, with only the eye and the me inside, to to allow the eye to get to know the knee. So there's their subject and object and there's, there's the gift of, of that process. just felt really grateful. I felt a gift that I, I hadn't really thought of it as that until you said that, Jeff, that the eye is a gift, that, that that ability to Well, I know, like I said, I really can't articulate it. But I know what you're talking about. Because I pretended for so long.
And thinking of a couple of things, but I'm not sure whether they're directly related. And one has to do with some thing in Prokofiev's book, the occult significance of forgiveness, sort of saying that our our heart needs to be clear. Which you could sort of translate that to the shadow for an experience of Christ, which you could also say is love. And then in terms of phenomena, you say that word often and right now I'm thinking about that, or what's on my mind is how to express how things really work. There's all the organizational theories and about theories of change and all of that. And I guess what I'm wanting to articulate or explore is something more related to this. How do things work? Yeah, I'll stop there.
I wanted to,
I mean, thinking about what you said, Karen, and I wanted to throw something at you, and actually everyone and just see how this lens so what we can do is get into a bit of an oscillation between I suck, and I'm important. So I don't know if I'm important and something is important, right? And certainly in my journey with magenta I've been I've spent differently this oscillation between this work is needed in the world. And I don't know if this is needed in the right. And I think that oscillation goes between a belief about one's inadequacy, which is a constant refrain. And the other side of it is unmet unmet need. And so part of the process of of avoiding spiritual bypass, which is a kind of a funny way to put it, because spiritual bypass is avoidance. Yes, exactly, Jeff pendulum between two components. So, how to avoid the spiritual bypass and the projection and how to stay true to your destiny. Right. So, this is a really fantastic delimited or crucible to be in, because your destiny is important and your work is important. But if there are unmet needs that are mission bound up in an unfree way, with your destiny and your work, that's when you can get tripped up. And I'm not sure Mary, if this is relevant for the thing that you were saying, but I wanted to just present it as a picture and see what came up in the both of you marry again, I'm unsure if it's relevant, but you know, Correct. Correct the picture if you need to. And Karen, I wonder what came up for you or so when I see
that. Louisa, can I just do a build real quick? Yeah. So I'm just gonna show a picture right now. Real quick. which is this one, just to do a build here, can you see that picture the two people. So this is the oscillation between two forms of compulsion. Right. And often, I, we just draw them as one Red Cloud to sort of indicate the compulsion and the habit. But if you break it down, from one point of view, you can see the sort of makings of a kind of individual psychosis or mass psychosis in a in a, in an extreme form. Which is this, no other choice between this oscillation between the great knee and the terrible knee. But in a less extreme force, it's exactly dependent on that, that Louisa described, and it's just this oscillation between happy sad, I'm not saying happiness is bad, I'm just saying that the self absorption into another way to put it is excessive light and excessive dark. Fear, self hatred, rigidity, spiritual bypass, forever happy. Everything will be okay, utopian fantasy, you see where I'm going with this. And it's, it's so easy to just get wrapped up in here. And a lot of people, our time is so full of this stuff, that a lot of people just put all their energy into that stuff. But the key here is that neither one of these is a creative place, because it's not. You might feel creative, you might feel happy, but you can't produce anything of value. There. You know, so it's an invitation. It's impotent. It's not joy. It's it's elation, if you get what I'm saying the space of, you know, too much light. So this goes to, to your question. I think Karen of it, you know, if you're dwelling in fantasy, and it's comfortable for you, it's hard to bring it down into reality. And if you're, if you're dwelling in darkness, and stuckness, you kind of have to bring that up into a more stable place. So Steiner has this picture in his work of opposing these two adversarial forces. And there's a there's a long history there. But it's like, there's something in what you were saying that's really balanced. And the reason we keep saying free, is it utterly isn't compelled. That's the phenomena. You know, to your point. I do see That a lot, Mary, because that that's where I have found the phenomena that correspond to the descriptions in the literature. The phenomena are like, okay, that's what, you know, this person or that person is talking about it like that a real experience that I can describe, and I can help others experience with it like this balancing points. So that middle middle path between terrible, demonic stuck, rigid, awful look, and then the greatest and, you know, all powerful demigod me it's the middle pictures just chopping wood carrying water and doing the right thing for the right reasons. Steiner calls it having a motive of love. So, yeah, just that's kind of where we're pointing.
That's an opening space, you know, it's hard to find, but it's kind of one of those things where it's like, you find it in like, wow, this, this can go a long way. This is a space that opens itself and reveals itself. It's a bit of a balancing act, because there's temptations all around. But in my experience, that's a Yeah, it's a real thing.
To get what I'm hearing is, it almost sounds like manic presents sort of high lows. But what what I'm really interpreting is, rather than say they are, is that how it is of those two extremes, rather than being the factual? What I'm hearing from you, Louis, there is, alright, I'm feeling a little on the hoop. But that's not how it is that to me understand what an unmet need might be. And then how to be in. Thank you.
That's so funny, Karen, because I was just thinking about that same thing in terms of manic depressive. And the aspects of that, that you find within our culture, just like all the different layers, like picturing what that looks like, at all the different layers, and then you said to pull yourself out of the mire, by the work of looking at those unmet needs. And I was like, Oh, yes, that's it.
for yourself down and out of the clouds by looking at your unmet needs to?
You can see the that manic depression is nothing other potentially, then coping mechanisms, because when the lows are low, it's intolerable. It's like annihilation. So what do you do in order to compensate to get yourself out of such a space of annihilation? Well, you that's the manic stage, it's nothing other than a coping mechanism for some for for an otherwise terrible experience. And so, obviously, I mean, I don't think anyone here is necessarily me to paint a picture of manic depression sort of where we went. But I, I certainly resonate very strongly with with with the experience of an oscillation. Where is the middle ground? ground being the operative word here? How do you if you're not in Sausalito? Karen have, you know, and then realizing just how much that grounded you how do you ground yourself in Portugal, you know, so it makes sense that you would feel a bit ungrounded and then every shifting sense. And so how so I think the picture of the oscillation is to say, you the ground isn't new because wherever you go, there you are, it doesn't matter you don't have to be in Sausalito in order to find your ground. And so, the the tool hope you know maybe could be do some journaling and and what are the beliefs that bring you into that space of shifting same sense and what are the unmet needs that you need? Maybe that could be met right now.
Any other thoughts coming up? Somebody?
I have a question. I think manic depression is a is a good metaphor, these swings between Bad, bad, bad and good, good, good. Although that's caused by an interview interior balance of hormones in your body. And what we're talking about is something that we have agency over. Is that right? We have the agency over finding that middle ground between the oscillations? I think so. Yes.
If we practice,
if we practice,
yeah. You don't have automatic agency? No, no, I
understand. Yeah. With it's it's a it's spiritual agency. And it has to be. It has to be practiced and strengthened. Yeah.
Yes. And that's the key. It has to be practiced and strengthened, because you cannot access it. It's a capacity.
Yes, it cannot be accessed. Incidentally.
Yeah. And when you want to. So and this comes back to the practice of identifying the beliefs that and unmet needs that are driving the oscillation. That's a part of the practice. But that's only part of it is a, it's 50% of the practice, the other 50% is connecting to the higher self, because what is it, that has the ability to look at the shadow to say, Hmm, that's what I believe about myself, that takes a certain kind of strength, that if you don't have it, staring at your lack, like all the terrible things I've learned about myself, and all the unmet needs that I have, that can drive you into the abyss. So staring into your shadow without the requisite strength is dangerous. And that's why people can experience trouble in therapy. And yeah, so. So the higher self and, and the practice of cultivating the space, where you do not experience compulsion for five minutes a day, where you can have breathing room where it's just peace, or you know, that's really critical. It doesn't take much, but it takes practice. Otherwise, you don't have the strength to stop the oscillation. Does that does that make sense?
No. Absolutely. I
think that's really well said.
Very well soon.
Any any thoughts that come up? Karen, I'm, I'm thinking of you in particular.
Can I just can I just share a real quick picture? Yes, yeah. I just went and found these for the basketball fan. Oh. These are two famous pictures by Jean Michel Basquiat. And so you can find this in culture, you know, the sad me the happy me. But if you look at these pictures, you can you can just see the compulsion, you can just see the overwhelming agitation and pain and and here, you know, the out of control. ecstasy, you know, so anyway, I'm sure you might find your own pictures, but
it was pretty damn.
One of the things that I experienced when I am able to ground myself is a sense of not happy, not sad, just content just it's maybe even neutral. Not you know, not but but there's a sense of, of solid and stable. Not not happy, not sad at all. I don't know how to. I'm not very good at articulating this, it's good enough for me to be thinking about this. It's a it's a satisfying, maybe satisfied feeling that grounded place in the middle.
I think that's why in what I wrote, I referred to it as a foundational ground because I think it's actually maybe it's part of the process. But I think it's important to not just trying still the waters. Yeah, you know that it's not about holding the center, but about holding the breath in balance, so that you're not just pulled side to side but have then inner forces with which to strive forward. In if I find so many of my peers and elders who have who've spent so much of their life just trying to steal the waters over and over again, without without working towards a conscientious striving for the future, out of building solidity in the reality that that that that tensional reality of pulling between the two poles is actually what frees us to move forward, if you can hold them as concurrently true. That clear enough?
Yes. I like the way you said that.
You say, holding both. That's true.
I think what comes up for me is trying to understand what makes it hard to stay in that middle zone. So what what is arising that gives me such great satisfaction about the on that path? And it's all working? Or, you know, down in the, this is never gonna work? Or who am I trying to, you know, it's, it's, it's being able to just be in that contentment, space without stealing. I'm really, you know, loving what you're contributing here, Tim? Because, you know, I know those people are just trying to steal through the meditation. Exactly, you know, and it, and I love that too. I like the dojo, the dojo, because it's actually a practice of doing nothing, like not working at meditating, declare your mind, actually just allow, you know, just doing nothing. Because that, that gives you that page. And I think, you know, I think that that is that is a beautiful moment of peace. However, it's not spilling over enough into my non meditating life to to just have that content and allowing it, you know, allowing, and I'm really gonna try and have that happen and potentially through Yeah, taking a little bit of a sabbatical just having some time off. Maybe still, that you didn't want to not still it, but just to feel content with just as it it's, you know, if you want to feel that Right, right. Yeah.
Yeah, you know, the, the horses have been instrumental for me in terms of getting present. Because if I come to them with a really chaotic bunch of emotions, they like they don't, especially this wild Mustang, who's extremely sensitive to chaotic human emotions. And but if I am very deliberate in saying, well, that's just my human stuff, be like a horse, and, and cease my need to self feel. And to project How to say, to ask the horse to emote with me in some way, like, Oh, you're so beautiful, but instead to feel a sense of radiating calm and peace from my heart to them as a gesture of love. And take all the need out of it because we humans love to, you know, we touch with our hands and we also touch with our minds. The horses are like stop your breath be nervous. This is how they experienced humans, right? So if I just come with this radiating peace and love, very deliberate like a practice with the horses, then they don't have to move out of my space with such speed. And I have found that a very useful practice because I didn't realize how easily I fell into self feeling. Does that make any sense? I'm not sure if that makes sense. But the self feeling was key for me to unlock from the oscillation, oh, I'm feeling certain things. And I couldn't get out of that. And they're always negative feelings. As almost like I was identifying with these negative feelings, they're more like emotions.
suggests shifting from set from emotion to sensitivity.
Yeah, it's like rising up out of and going on just, you know, garage, draw up for a bit and radiate some love
in a very deliberate way. And then I was much more bearable to be around. Yeah, so I highly recommend getting around some pulses.
To be this is something that's been living really strong in me for the last couple of days, I got overwhelmed. My partner's in Ireland right now for two weeks. And so I'm having a lot more free time to really work through and sift through my creativity and wondered, a poem that feels like it's really directed towards this came out. And I wondered if there'd be time to read that today. pretty well. How long is it? It's maybe two minutes, maybe a minute and a half, like a page or something? It's in a screen. So on my screen, it's four pages.
So we have time for that. Maybe, maybe if we could just spend
three minutes just till three minutes to one, I think it'd be a nice way to close today's Yeah.
Can we? can we can we finish with the poet? That sounds lovely. And just have some last thoughts that anybody wants to share? And then we can move into the poem as a kind of a checkout moment.
Any last thoughts?
Well, I would like to pick up with a little more understanding about what Jeff said, still waters are good, but not yet creative. There's still nothing moving forward. Right, Jeff?
I think I think just real briefly, the point that I think both Karen and Tim pointed to is that
in our work at magenta in our consulting work, we sketched out a path from chaos and pain and wound woundedness, to healing, to unlocking creative potential, to creative capacity. And so if you stop along that spectrum in the still waters place, but don't build the creative capacity, and there's a there's an unrealized gift, an unrealized potential. And remember, creativity is meant in the widest possible sense could be just having the sensitivity to refer to what Tim said, and the perception and the presence of mind to say the right thing at the right time that helps unlock someone or helps heal them, if that's the kind of creative impulse So, so, yeah, I would say that moving forward that generativity, that generosity is is is a built on the still waters, it's it's it grows out of the still waters into a, you know, productive potency. Giving potency.
I know the difference. Yeah. Yeah. So why is it good and necessary? They're just not the destination. Yeah, my view. I get it. Thank you.
There's me. There's my view. Any other last thoughts?
No. All right.
Tell me I think Mary was just looking at Mary, do you see something?
I'm not really? Um, I think. Yeah, the words middle ground are sort of misleading.
But I picture. Yeah, I'm thinking about what Tim said that both sides are true. And I was going along the path of neither of those are true. Yes. That's what I'm thinking about.
there, they may be the same. I don't know. I mean, it's not an either or they're I
think it's important parts of perspective, because it's, as you hold that reality of Okay, from one perspective, it's true. From our perspective, both are true. And from another perspective, both are absolutely not true. I think that that that's part of the growth is really finding sensitivity to the value of all the perspectives that make something really true. You know, that it's where it's where it's life is not able to be talked about, but really experienced.
summit. My question is, is that middle space, actually the space of really looking at the phenomenon? Because growing the capacity to see more clearly what is being that?
Not so yes, I would say yes. And technically, it's less of a looking at then then looking with or, you know, kind of seeing. Yeah.
Do we want to do the poem?
Yeah, let's do the poem laid on us?
Yeah. I'm sure. Yeah, yeah. All right.
I'm sorry, can I miss it, but let's do it.
All right. It's not fully edited. So mid mid process. Today is the day that is reached for itself. In many ways. Today, the moon shone in silence, while the sun rose, and majesty of true gift. And all the plants reached from the depths of the earth. With all the mites that had been given them by the sun of the previous today's. They reached from the promise of their seats, a promise that was first met in darkness, where and when the damp, cold, first yielded to walk. Where and when the tears of the world allowed them to soften, and encouraged the dream of their becoming, to crack open their shell and reach for the light. All of the plants in the whole world carry enough water to stand fully in the light. They carry that water from the depths into the sky. When they are without water and life they can no longer stand. To offer their becoming. They carry this to the sky to offer their becoming to the unseen. To offer their richness, the richness of the dark earth on the altar of flow and fire. Their flowering forth of the cosmic forces and myriad forms and scents and colors of metamorphosis. A gift for the queen of the sun a gift for the future of the earth. A gift for the eternal interweaving of water, and light filled air. A gift for all of life, a gift that stands on and pushes off from the darkness, the hidden interconnectedness of all the earth. The earth holds the roots of all the successes of the plants. And I have a love for this darkness, a darkness that I have experienced as a necessity to give birth to the light. Like the seed held, the love, that boards promise, and that aligned and patient love is there for all of us. No matter how many times we stumbled towards collapse, we can be reminded, be patient and aligned in a way that awakens us to the service of the day, to make the love we have received in our own becoming visible to the world to make our work a service for humanity. In humblest of ways like each plant on it's part of the darkness. We can meet today a day like unlike any other unremarkably. So when we edit it is the only today that is And today, I am on man. Because today I reached as high as I thought I could for a sweeter Apple before it rotted. The sweetness spawn and the act of of Venus's song to the earth. sweetness I hoped would preserve the gift of chutney. I was stirring for my neighbors. Because today I fed the hummingbirds and bees. And because I listened to the whispers that my heart wanted to share with you.
Great. Thanks, Tim. Really beautiful thing. Yeah.
Yeah, thanks for helping it off. You're so aligned. Huh?
Would you put that on the platform? Yeah.
Maybe when it's edited fully.
When? When you feel it's finished? I'd like to read it again. Huh? Sure. Very, very beautiful. Thank you.
Yes. So you full of heart forces. Yeah.
Yeah, but that that sense that gift can't be given unless it's standing on the darkness solidly. Just really resonated with what was being shared today. I love that part. That beautiful term. Thank you for sharing. Thank you all for willing to be shared. I feel my heart fueled by Tim love. Yeah. Awesome.
All right. People think we had to call it for this week. And Bitsy, do you want us for our community call next week? Will you be here? I can't remember. I mean, will you?
I speak from home on Thursday. I'm okay. I think
I will miss it to me. you'll be on your way on my way to work,
right. We're sure looking forward to being with you.
Yeah, we'll see you soon. All right, you guys. Thank you,