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Board of Police Commissioners 3/6/2025, part 1
Speaker 1
Us. It's three o'clock today is March 6, 2025, the board of police recording in progress order, we're going to ask that the chaplain Marty Autry, if you online, please.
Speaker 2
Yes, I will. My name is Chaplain Mary Autrey and good afternoon to everyone Father in the name of Jesus. I thank you for every panelist. Oh God, in the name of Jesus, I thank you for the board of the police commissioner. God, we lift up the city of Detroit. Oh god, we're seeking your guidance. We're seeking your peace. Oh god, thank you for your wisdom that will flow through each and every leader, oh God, each and every dignitary. Oh god, thank you for unity in our hearts and in our minds. Oh God, for the common good of the people. Bless the communities with safety and love, oh God, and thank you for love and compassion and harmony in this meeting, oh God, in Jesus name, we are saying, Amen, amen.
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Apologize for that.
Speaker 1
We don't have a quorum yet. We expect to have a quorum very shortly, and so I'll go to the secretary report you.
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The report for today, excuse me,
Speaker 2
the incoming communications can be found under tab six in your binders today, and they are as listed, also note for your information, there are documents there that have been requested to be placed there. Next would be the announcements of the upcoming meetings.
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Next week
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we will be
Speaker 2
next board meeting is next Thursday, March, 13 community meeting. It will begin at 6:30pm the location will be in the 10th preset at Union carpenters and millwright skill training center, which is located at 11687, American street in Detroit. The next community meeting thereafter will be Thursday, April 10, 6:30pm and the ninth preset at Ford resource Engagement Center located at 15491, Madeline Street in Detroit. Upcoming committee meetings are as follows, the citizens complaints committee will meet next Tuesday, March 11, at 4pm and the Woodward Conference Room here at public safety headquarters. Following that meeting next Tuesday is the Budget Committee and the Woodward Conference Room here at public safety headquarters, and that will end the report for today, sir. Thank
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you very public comment.
Speaker 3
Thank you, Mr. Chair. We have two speakers in the room and one speaker in the room, first with Minister Eric blunt after Minister blunt, it will be Lieutenant Mark Young.
Speaker 4
Good afternoon, board in chief, our Minister of Catholic Church here in Detroit, Chief Minister, haven't seen you since your promotion. So congratulations. I think you're the right person for the job, if no other reason but that you know this department, and as deputy mayor, you know the city. So I say that to say you know the serious problems this police officer department has formal complaints to this ward are have doubled it in the last five years. That should tell you something, people just don't complain about any little thing that goes on. It takes a lot of courage and fortitude to file a complaint, because they know your name, they know where you live, they know the situation that happened. And false arrest is something that really has to be dealt with. And I'll even go back to Michael Jackson that was arrested twice and then prove it innocent of murdering the Jewish woman over in
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Lafayette, Orleans area.
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And then,
Speaker 4
probably equally as more disturbing, if my memory serves me, an officer called 911, for assistance, but then he requested that only the officers in his unit respond because he wanted to kill him. That's serious, very, very serious for the board the Shot Spotter report, what measure of performance Do you have, not just general crime, but specific crimes that were solved because of Shot Spotter. The last report we got was about a year ago, before it started up again, and it showed, point zero, 9% of guns recovered, and surely there was no report of any crimes actually solved by it. And that goes on with this whole surveillance system you guys got going on, and it's more of a scam facial recognition technology. I'll just point you to one specific pass that I could say, shows what's really wrong with this whole surveillance system, facial recognition technology. When COVID came and everybody was wearing the mask, mandatory, facial recognition technology had to have very little
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use time.
Speaker 1
I don't even see that up there. I gave you about 15 seconds. Okay, you know, I would give you a few more, but, you know, I got alerted, you know, so, oh, I want to be fair to everybody. You want
Speaker 5
to respond. Thank you. Look forward to working with you in my role as chief. And one of the things that I want to ensure that we do, as well, is get the information out in various different forms. And so I did a search, a national search, where a media director, a new media director, and we selected one, and I did something a little bit different as well. So I didn't, because I'm not a media professional, but when we came to the interview process, I made sure that I got some media professionals to actually sit on the board, to interview the media person to help me get the best person for the position. So with that, I just say that Shot Spotter, you raised that as a concern. I know that has been cases where Shot Spotter has led officers to the scene quickly enough to actually make an apprehension. It's been it's been instances where the perpetrator was still on the scene trying to even dispose of a body, and so if we haven't got that out to you, we need to make sure that we're highlighting and uplifting those cases. But more importantly, shot fire, because we know that when shots are fired, not always do people call 911, shots have been fired. Officers have responded and actually got there and found victims and got them to the hospital and saved lives. And so with the totality of getting this information out to the community so that they really understand the both sides of the technology, we have to do a better job as a department of getting information to use your groups, et cetera. And so that's why we need experts and others to make sure that we're telling our best story in getting information out. So looking forward to working with you. Citizen complaints being on the rise,
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maybe that's a
Speaker 5
as we push information out in the board of police commissioners and Office of the Chief Investigator, educate, the community and make them aware of different pathways to report. You know, it may be a side effect, and I'm just saying, I'm speculating, but it could be a side effect of making citizens know that the information is out there to report complaints and maybe more, also doing it that way. But regardless, we will get to the bottom of it, and we'll be working to address it together. Sir.
Speaker 6
Thank you, Lieutenant, before we move on and we'll let him
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how many more that we have on the inside.
Speaker 1
Miss Smith, okay, let's do all the ones on the end and move on. All right.
Speaker 7
Good evening. Some of my members evening, some of my members have approached me and excited about how the Board of police commissioners think of them. And you know what my response is, not be concerned about how the board thinks of you. You are with excellence, and you do the best that you can. Be more concerned about how the citizens of the city think of you, because I'm gonna tell you how they think of you. They think the world of you. The same people that will come before you and vilify you are the same ones that won't whisper on the phone, but no 911, way out of all the phone I poured all the calls for service that we answered last year, those people weren't afraid of the police. Those people aren't concerned. They embrace the police. I don't know my neighbors are so grateful, because I live in Detroit, there's so many police officers pull up and down my street. They are grateful. They are thankful, and then they tell me, so it's easy to talk about the negative from a pastor, from a bishop, from an anointed one. Let's talk about the positive that we did. This department has an outstanding relationship with this community. You don't hear that enough. You have men and women that were so concerned about the homeless and other things, you don't see that because that body warm camera footage is not requested, that the generosity of this department and these men and women is tremendous. I never hear the board talk about that. It's easy to vilify last story, I was in a dark place, and I went to Jesus, and I said, how bad things was. And Jesus spoke to me, and you know what he said? He said, Mark, this is billions of people on this planet. You hear about a few incidents, but I send good people. That's why I send you. That's why I send the people that you represent. There's a small amount of people that do wrong. There's no perfect organization. There's no perfect people, but I represent some awesome people. Thank you. Another
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thank you too far from me.
Speaker 8
Good afternoon. Good afternoon to see my chief here, because I haven't seen him since he escorted me. I gotta tell it. You all know, we lost the Chief, Chief Cox, and I didn't see none of you there. But anyways, all right, well, anyway, I called the chief. I had the nerve to do it because my granddaughter didn't come and get me. And I said, Chief, I need a car. He said, Okay, I'll send you an Uber. I said, an Uber. What's that? Anyway, I listened to him, what he said. He said, send your car. I said, all right. He said, be ready by 10. I said, Okay, I will. I rushed and got dressed and everything, and I'm sitting there. I live on the first floor there, and I'm sitting there because I can look out the window and see a car. Saw the car pull up, this black car pull up, and I got out with my walker and everything. I see sitting in the car. But our chief, I was so astonished, I didn't know what to do. And his driver came around and escorted me, folded up my folder and and put it in the car, and he helped me in the car. I said, What did I do to deserve this? But God is good y'all. I don't know how good he is to you guys, but he's darn good to me, because whatever I ask for, whatever I try to do, he opens up the door for me, and I was so appreciative to my chief escort. And he to the church, and there were about 30 steps going up the steps. I couldn't walk to step. Two steps. I told, I said, you call the I told the driver. I said, You go ahead. How you going to get up there? Well, we didn't go around the side of the church because it was stairs over there. One of the chief film. But anyway, Hey, I said, Well, I go up the steps. Gonna help me go up the steps. So I went about 30 steps, banister. I went up the steps, Chief behind me, and then one of the women officer, I don't know who she was, but I'm thankful to her. She had my purse and she helped me. And when we get in, everybody was looking at me. I thought I was a millionaire. Do you hear me? Knox? Because I know him, and we go and sit down. And who comes behind us but the chief from Southfield, Barron,
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mother, underneath. Three
Speaker 6
seconds. What? Three seconds anyway,
Speaker 8
and I am so grateful to you, baby. I appreciate you so much, not only because you're the chief of the city. I knew you was going to be the chief, but let me tell you this right quick. They met me at the hospital last week, and they want to be, want to become a police, I got their names. Thank you so much. Thank you so much.
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Got another police
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Amen, uh, please call the roll. What
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Commissioner Smith present,
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Commissioner banks present, Commissioner Bell
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person,
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President district five,
Speaker 2
Commissioner Moore is excused, Commissioner Presley here, Commissioner de Walsh present, seven, present, sir, we
Speaker 1
have a quorum. I entertain a motion for the approval of March 6, 2025, agenda so moved by Commissioner dosh, second by Commissioner Smith. Any discussion? All in favor? Say, aye. Aye. Anyone opposed, a motion is carried. I paint a motion for the approval of the minutes for February. 27 2025, so 25 so moved by Commissioner Presley, reported by Commissioner Dewas, any discussion? All in favor? Say, aye, and one opposed. The motion is here, let's go to the chief of police report.
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And is everybody here,
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staff and staff and so on so forth.
Speaker 2
Staff Attorney, Goss chief investigator, Warfield drew freeze, Felicia Tyson, Teresa blossom, Candace, Hayes army So Joshua. Daniel Underwood, investigative supervisor, Elgin Murphy, Dr Francis Jackson, parliamentarian, DPD, HR director, Katrina patillov and interpreters today are michikata and Dr Beatty or reported on handy side, audio, visual, Henri Jackson and media services, video, Charles Henry, elected officials and representatives registered thus far are as follows, Marie overall, of Office of State Representative, Byron Carter Butler, President, second precinct community relations. Don Davis, Office of city council member. Fred Erle, the third Lieutenant. Mark young president of lieutenants and sergeants Association. Ron Thomas, President Detroit police officers of America and former Detroit Police Commissioner William Davis, are registered at this time. Sorry, former
Speaker 1
police commissioner Bernice Smith, she's a former police commissioner as well. Chairman. Do you have people? I have people?
Speaker 6
No, I don't have a report the chair, yes, there's
Speaker 9
no evidence that Bernie Smith was ever a police commissioner. There's nothing in the records that state that. And that was that question has been raised before. Robert Brown, who once worked for the board, couldn't find anything in the record. Okay,
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the
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police report.
Speaker 5
Thank you, Mr. Chairman and the honorable board of police commissioners, just jump into the overall crime statistics, I want to say that over the past weekend, so Friday, Saturday, Sunday, something that we're that doesn't happen too often, but we didn't have a homicide, or We didn't have a non fatal shooting. So that's that's something I really don't need to knock on wood. Just give it to the amazing team that we have in the community and and even the technology and all of the investment. It's a cumulative of everything that's continuing our downward trend in crime. So when I say community, I'm talking about CVI, is just all of us homicides right now, we're compared to the same period of last year. We're at a 24% reduction. And so we know it's early yet, and our community is able, you know, whole numbers for the year, we're sitting at 22 right now, compared to the same period of time as of last year, it was 29 so that's 7% where I mean seven fewer people at this particular point, sexual assaults, which is concerning to everyone, 33% reduction. Aggravated assault, 12% reduction. And so in all of our violent Part One categories, I got green arrows that I'm looking at. I'm pretty sure the board has that as well. But that is a good thing, meaning we're down in all categories, robberies, which is a violent, violent offense as well. 17% burglary, which is, you know, definitely affects us. We're home invasion. Someone's coming in your home. 13% almost 14% larcenies, somebody's taking something from you that's 19% reduction. And then another particular prime that affects our Detroiters as well, where someone when your vehicle 28% reduction. So in terms of what that means is 401 people that still has their vehicles this year compared to last year, violent part one crime overall, 14% reduction. Property crime, 21% reduction. And when it comes to non fatal shootings, 22% reduction, and carjackings, a 36% reduction. So we're definitely off to a good start, trending down in the right direction when it comes to violent crime, some of the things else that has occurred reaching out to the community, our neighborhood police officers. Over at the 12 precinct, they went and read it to the kids, and so they visited the Bagley Elementary School, the Greenfield union to engage with reading Detroit police officers. They're going to be doing it in empowerment walk, and that's going to be this Friday at the corner of ballpark, part seventh, from 11:30am to 2pm so we invite anyone who wants to come out and walk. I know the weather, it won't be as warm as we'd like it to be, but dress warm and come out and support our ladies, our women, we continue to recruit, and it's a good time to be a Detroit police officer. And so even though we're at 98 roughly 99% a pool of staff rate, we know that it's attrition this large department, and so we're always looking for good individuals. And so our recruiting team went out to several events over the past week. We did a career fair at Wayne State University. And if you want to meet our recruiters, they're going to be at the women's empowerment walk at the Detroit Public Safety headquarters. Well, I think that's a mistake right there. So they're going to be at the corner wall carcass. Patillo. Director Patillo can give me a little bit more information on that director, where the recruitment thing
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somebody from recruiting or,
Speaker 5
okay, well, we'll make sure that we update that, because if somebody wants to get hired out, then we want them to go to the exact right place. Then one of the things that's a community top concern, and I pledge to be on as well, is traffic enforcement. And so the eighth precinct did a traffic enforcement blitz on March 5, 41 traffic citations were issued. They import, they're impounded, for vehicles, and really focusing on vehicles with those plates as well. No secret that oftentimes what a violent crime is committed before individuals want to do that crime, they do things to obscure their plates, and so we're really focusing on that. And then, I don't know if you all saw on television, Captain Sergeant Gonzalez did an excellent report, and they did some great work over there with because of the quality of life type issue. And I think that I saw the video, and I'll say that a community member sent me a video that was captured on a ring door bill, and it was some bees in a U haul truck in broad daylight, just walked up to a residence and stole some gutters off the house. And that just was so bizarre to me. I imagine them taking my gutters off my house, and it just really made me mad. I called a captain. She put a detail in place, and by utilizing some of that technology, likes and plate readers, they were actually able to track down the U haul. And we got the three perpetrators. We got them arrested, we got the governor's back, and they featured that story on the news yesterday. So, you know, make sure you pull that up. And we got those, those other thieves right there, um, just what a phenomenal job out there, doing great work the men and women of DPD. And I'm not going to say much about this, but you know, the medical examiners report did come back from the two children that tragically lost their lives over at the casino parking lot, here in the parking structure. And so from a DPD standpoint, I don't do charging decisions. We'll turn over the evidence and things of that nature to the Wayne County prosecutor, but Madam Prosecutor worthy audibly, will make the determination when it comes to whether or not it'll be any charges in regards to that case. And with that, that concludes my report,
Speaker 1
sir, thank you, chief any questions? Commissioner bank,
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thank you the chair.
Speaker 10
Chief medicine. First of all, congratulations on your promotion. Thank you, sir, because promotion don't come from man. You know that, right, sir, you're a man of God, yes. Promotion comes from the Lord Amen, and congratulations. But what I want to ask chief medicine, yeah, I take everywhere I go, Minister, former chair,
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everywhere.
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You know, you my man, right,
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all right, Mr.
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I mean,
Speaker 10
Chief, what's the difference between a taser and a stun gun? Give me the difference, please, between a taser and a stun gun, two different names. I know what your sex last week, I want to satisfy with the answer, though. Okay, now come right back. The
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chief is going
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to ask through the chair.
Speaker 5
I don't want to be incorrect, okay, and so I've always, and I haven't researched this, but a sun gun and a taser with language, the words could possibly be used synonymously. So, and then you can have various tasers that have different voltage. And so I will have to get back with you on that one right there, because I've never researched it, the Taser versus Sun gun. But so I will circle back around unless this is someone in here who knows the answer? So I will call my friend right now with my command posted back. Google may be able to
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tell me, but right or pairs,
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thank you, Mr. Chief,
Speaker 11
as the chief indicated there could be many, many different varieties of stun guns, and depending on how it's being used, it could mean a taser or it can mean an off brand weapon. But the principal difference is this, a taser is scientifically designed to override your neurological system to, in effect, seize your body so that you can no longer move. Physiologically, a stun gun is there to cause immense pain. Okay, so it's not scientifically designed to actually to disable you or to immobilize you. A stun gun is usually just there to burn you, to cause pain to get you to back off. Stun guns are illegal in many states, but a taser is different, principally in that regard,
Speaker 5
through the chair Commissioner Does that answer?
Speaker 10
So they do two different they do two different things. Based on the knowledge what came out of your mouth, it appears that they do two different things. Is that correct? They both
Speaker 11
conduct energy through an individual's person. A taser is scientifically designed for a particular purpose to immobilize your body. Okay, a stun gun is not, does not have the voltage, nor the connectivity, to really immobilize your body in most circumstances. Again, there are many different brands of stun guns out there. There are, they are illegal in different states. The thing that sets the Taser part is that is, it is scientifically designed for law enforcement to immobilize a person's body by overriding their neurological system. Okay, I
Speaker 10
get it. I'm satisfied. Thank you. Good job calls
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pain.
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Okay, they do cause pain, Yes, yep,
Speaker 10
okay. I'm satisfied now. Thank you. Just Just
Speaker 12
quickly, it's a pleasure to see you, chief. It's for all of us in this room and for our community. Just two things real quickly, in terms of your announcements and your communication section, you have now officially declared that there is a cold, blue in the city of Detroit, when the temperature is 20 degrees or below,
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that's the city standard. Was
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your standard, okay?
Speaker 5
No, no, that's set by the, you know, the city of Detroit, and so the housing vitalization department and you with cold blue is many different entities that will that aim to putting that in place and based off of research and what's what's good. So that's really coming from the mayor in the city of Detroit, and we all, whether housing revitalization, the Detroit Police Department to Detroit health department, sitting in Detroit Homeland Security, we all work to ensure
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that we're working
Speaker 5
to ensure that our citizens, when it's a cold, we're getting them out of the elements, and that we can get them to shelter
Speaker 12
the good part, I'm going to ask that our office to reprint this for the next meeting on blue paper, and it might be a good idea for us to put it in the precincts as well, because you have about 15 different centers where people can go when it is 20 degrees or less, that are already printed with addresses and everything and their hours. So this is like a public maybe even a PSA you might want to do in, you know, on TV, to let people know that this cold blue what the cold blue situation is and what the facilities are. But my second question is one that I asked that you explained to to us and to the community, that is what was fast, F, A, S, T,
Speaker 5
um, Fugitive Apprehension service team and so that that's our officers that when individuals have outstanding warrants, they typically go after violent offenders, individuals one at the non fatal shootings, homicide suspects, robbery suspects, where the prosecutor has secured a warrant via judge and that they're on the run, so they are actively out there, working to bring those violent offenders off the street. That's what they do day in and day out. They service warrants.
Speaker 12
But this is a multi jurisdictional project with the State Police. It says, I guess the federal government, I don't know, we have a lot of partners fast that we don't routinely have for ordinary crime.
Speaker 5
Yeah, that's what allows us to be able to go anywhere we need to go to actually get those individuals, because when folks are on the run, we even work with the United States Marshals. Is so regardless where you go, you can be in Alabama or wherever we'll go to where we need to go to make sure that we apprehend folks who have done bad things in the city and hold them accountable and in with that, that's another factor that contributes to us are decreasing, trying to get the right individuals off the street, holding them accountable. And right before Christmas, we executed a large future apprehension, or sweep. What did we call that. What was the name of the sweep? Nice name too.
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They had a holiday rain.
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You know, we always give these big ones a name, so
Speaker 5
we get that to you. But it was a catchy name. Thank you.
Speaker 10
Just gonna be real quick chair, real quick
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chief medicine, the
Speaker 10
when the officers, when officers are out on the streets, when freeze is not dead, 10 degrees and all that, are they taking citizens to warming shelters. That's all I want to know. Yes, they are. They picking them up and taking one warming. Yes. Okay. Great.
Speaker 13
Commission. Impressive. Thank you. To the chair two questions. The first is conversation with your predecessor, and I just want to make sure that it's been hand off. Maybe you can buy some update. And it was around the challenges with communication to citizens, particularly those who had cases with detectives, and they were saying that they responses back and having a hard time getting any feedback. And so I just wanted to know if there's any update on improving the efficiency and responding back to citizens, whether it's through homicide department or detectives. This
Speaker 5
met with and through the Chair. Thank you for the question. Commissioner Priestley just met with mothers, keeping the boots on the ground. And yesterday, matter of fact right in the room. And so we have in constant communication, my former predecessor now calling CEO white, at the time chief white people in our family unit, and their sole purpose is really to ensure that they're communicating with our homicide detectives, and also they're calling back and keeping in close contact with the point of contact that was selected by the family to be the representative to receive information when it comes to our non fatal shootings and our homicides, and so they keep a meticulous log of it. You will still always at various points here where family member says, Hey, I didn't get a call, but when we go back through the law and we have the conversations, is like, you the point of contact, and we're going to continue with that and working towards continuously improving it. And so it is ongoing process, but thus far, I'm happy with it, and we're going to continue, we're going to continue to build on to it and take feedback from those various family members, is how we can continuously improve it as well. But we are, and it's a top priority for me, and so much so that when it comes to family members to have their cases that are still unsolved, because we know the cases will go cold. I've actually already assigned additional officers to our cold case unit, and so I'm going to continue to do that. And one of the things that I'm looking forward to is with our budget, etc, identifying and putting some positions in where I can look to hire some retired detectives part time to further enhance our coca shielding. So everything that I can do looking back to bring forth the additional eyes and and and enhance that aspect of it I'll be doing, and I'm communicating that with the families, and so I'll be able to keep the board updated. But that's something that's always been, been very near and dear to me when it comes to cold case and traffic enforcement, and even people report out on what we're going to be doing as far as enhancing when it comes to missing children, etc, human trafficking. But I'll keep you updated with that.
Speaker 13
Thank you. And the second question through the Chair, I know there should be conversations between our board secretary OCI and the department relative to disciplinary actions that are taken with officers who have sustained cases. The data that we've been receiving has kind of been aggregate in order to say this number had counseling, this number had this sort of disciplinary action, but it doesn't really give us the detail according to which officer or which case, and so we're hoping to get a little bit more detail in that regard, so that we're aware on the particular sustained cases what disciplinary action was taken. And so again, I just wanted to see if you can provide some update on whether or not that's something we could expect to receive. Moving forward,
Speaker 5
I need to really understand a little bit more, but we'll just sit down and have a meeting and so that I really understand what the ask is, what that is, per se, so but
Speaker 13
aggregate numbers, so we can't tie it to a particular case. So say, for instance, we have a sustained case where officer used violated the policy on demeanor, we don't get a sense on what was the actual disciplinary action taken on that officer. We just get a general aggregate number on how many officers went to counseling, how many officers had peer support, how many officers were suspended, or how many officers? I don't know what all of those categories are, but if we actually assign those to the particular cases, and that gives us a little bit more confidence on what's actually being done with sustained cases that we're seeing through our OCR investigation.
Speaker 5
So we'll have a single purpose, you know, we'll be able to come to some type of agreement or conclusion with it, because without me fully, I'm hearing what you're saying, but I need to really fully see it and understand. So when I look at the report, I need to know what I'm what you're getting now versus what the ask is, we
Speaker 1
get nothing right now. The fact of the matter is, this is far as for public trust and far as for the process to make sure that this process is an authentic process it. We are not spinning in the wheel that these CCRS are sustained and sent back over to the department, that there's some corresponding action to it, and what that corresponding action is to that specific case. We right now have a database right now that tracks all of that, all of that stuff,
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and the public have the right to know what happened to
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what happened to their particular case,
Speaker 13
what you wanted to actually see we're talking about. So we do have a citizens complaint committee that is scheduled for the event, and I don't know if someone from your department or you might be able to be present, and we can have that to be a single focus issue as we attempt to try to be better at responding to the citizens on what disciplinary disciplinary actions have actually been taken. So
Speaker 5
I'll check my calendar and do everything that I can to be there on the 11th, and I would like to personally be there, so look forward to being there. Thank
Speaker 6
you. Thank you. Thank you very Commissioner Burton, Commissioner
Speaker 9
Smith, for or the hard work that his men and women in blue are doing in the department. I look up and read these stories about how officers out in southwest Detroit and the broken water main break and but you had offices out there helping people back away from their homes, walking through, you know, water as those powers your car, and you know, this could not be an Easy job for the men and women in blue, for this department, you know, can't be an easy job,
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but those men and women in Blue,
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you know, just,
Speaker 9
just helping, helping people mean homes, people thinking the Detroit Police Department for their help. You know, I will love to see the department knowledge and recognize those members, as well as visible board by offering some tribute or certificate appreciation for their for their work. Me, personally, I'm not walking through that that kind of water, but, but those men and women in blue, went out there and they families. I'm more so concerned about long term, long term health
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of those officers and those families.
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You know that water?
Speaker 9
It was sewage water, it was the water main break. I mean, all the pollution and stuff, I'm more concerned about their health long term. It may not have any effect today, but what about three years from now? Five years from now, and I don't know if it's anything we can do to lobby with the state to come here and help fund this department or to refund that community, but we had Harper Master, we had the Fourth Precinct, we had SRT and and you had community associations and CB radio patrols. You know, we had so many different community groups and so many different members of the department. I would love the CS SRT Harvard harbor masters for pre sent and those neighborhood associations be recognized by this board, but also by this great department. We must remember those names of those off those brave officers that went out there on that week and help help rescue those families. It was not an easy job. Somebody had to do it, and it was, I can see any other city what out there to do, what the police department went out there to do, and they rescue families, and they still helping families to this day, and I wanted to say thank you to our chief, Todd Patterson. Always have five favorite chiefs in the US and chief Todd Patterson, our chief, even when he was a deputy assistant chief, he was always in that top, top three. So now we, we have, we had the chief stick right here, leading this department and leading our community. This is, this is the future of policing right here. This is what Chief Todd Madison, Chief, thank you for the work your men and women are doing out there helping families. Thank you, sir. Once again, it was, wasn't easy, but I've heard a lot of the stories from a lot of families that's been reaching out. Thank
Speaker 6
you. Thank you very kindly. And let's I
Speaker 12
just want to say one thing, if we're going to honor the people who help, we should include the fire department as well, because they helped with DPD. That's my only point. They were out there. Take putting people in boats and all that kind of stuff.
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Absolutely.
Speaker 1
Commissioner Carter is present, and let's
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go back to oral communications
Speaker 1
very briefly, because we got a heavy agenda. Sessions will do chief
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you just take it over for Chief white,
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we got nine more months to go in the year.
Speaker 10
What are some of your goals and things you want to achieve? Because, you know, when a new administration come in, they have goals they want to achieve. They want to make new accomplishments. What are some of those goals that you want to achieve, if you can put it out to the community you want to, you know, I don't know if you can put it out, but can you put some maybe two or three talked about
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at the
Speaker 5
No, I have not, but through The year, to the commissioners, so at next week's hearing. Well, next week's board police commissioners, because I can do a quick rundown of my 30, my 60, my 90 day plan. But of course, every sheet does do a reorganization. So when it comes to the board, I definitely submit my reorg plan to you as well. Some of this already happening when it comes to traffic enforcement. Talking about it, you see how already started with additional traffic enforcement when it comes to narcotics. That's the thing as well. So already added additional units to Major Crimes. Our narcotics unit, we're doing more these as of right now missing persons, I'm leaving that up when it comes to cold case, that's another thing. I'm adding additional officers to our cold case unit, and so things like that. I want you to know that when you ask me, What's my priorities, my priorities are community's priorities. So what the community is concerned about. That's what I'm concerned about, and that's what we're doing. Another thing is continuing crime going down so with our officers, you know, when I took over as interim chief, making sure that with the work that James Whitehead did, the men and women of this department with crime already on the strategic now, I wouldn't let it go up. Gotta keep going down. Otherwise I wouldn't sit here as the chief. I got a whole lot.
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I'm interested in hearing
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it, sir. Thank
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you. Thanks, Chief.
Speaker 12
Walk tomorrow at March the seventh, at 11:30am we start at the corner ball park Detroit, pal at 1680 Michigan. So anyone who wants to walk tomorrow, I'm sure that Kyra will be there. She's always leading the parade, speaking. Tomorrow, I'm going to be there, and I hope everyone who can will be there as well,
Speaker 5
everybody, but we're there supporting women. Okay? Amen.
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All communications,
Speaker 3
Mr. Chair, you have five secrets. Our first speaker is Julie Lyman, then former commissioner, William Davis, crafty Rue and then we'll continue.
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You may speak. You may be heard.
Speaker 6
Caller, Hello, yes, you may be heard.
Speaker 14
I do apologize. My name is Juliet Lyman, and this is my second time being on the Zoom and joining you guys. And I'm here on the behalf of my husband, Cora Lyman, I was referred by council president's office to speak with one of the commissioners, who I don't think is joining you guys today.
Unknown Speaker
Yes, sir.
Speaker 14
I found out here recently by contacting the the office again, council president's office again to see if any other commissioners could assist me. And they said yes. So I'm here again to see if someone could reach out to me so that I could go in more depth about what I need assistance with if possible.
Unknown Speaker
Do you have my telephone number?
Speaker 14
Um, no, sir. I'm not sure who I'm speaking with is Commissioner woods. Commissioner woods, no, I don't have your number. I have the office number, but I'm not able to get anybody
Speaker 1
give her my number offline, uh, directed to her. And so when you can
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call me, yes, sir,
Speaker 14
I do appreciate that. Do I need to stay on the Zoom or
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information? Okay,
Speaker 1
so call, continue to watch the meeting, when the meeting minutes and then give me a call.
Speaker 14
Yes, sir, thank you. Alright, thank you. You're welcome. Thank you. Alright,
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Speaker 6
Good afternoon. Could I be heard? You may be heard, sir.
Speaker 15
Okay, let me start off by saying I'd like to invite let people know that the fact that that the Detroit retiree Task Force is meeting tomorrow from 11am to 12:30pm or maybe a little bit late, later, for those who do not know, the task force, one of the things we're doing, we're looking at a 13th check for city Detroit general fund retirees and police and fire retirees. And that's going to be the 13th check. It's going to be on the agenda and other things. So if anybody's interested as a city retiree, be it general fund or police and fire, tune in. It is be on Zoom, and also in person, also, I would like to see more emphasis on the board of police commissioners, on on helping to recruit, especially recruit Detroit residents. I know at the time that I was on the board, there was a couple commissioners that was actively involved in recruiting. I do not hear anything about recruiting in the city of Detroit like I used to
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also would like to see the
Speaker 15
Detroit Police Department take a more active role again in the Michigan roundtable. Metro Detroit all pack, because there was some officers that was joining. I know in the past, even the chief used to join. Well, the current chief used to join but, you know, we like to see more people, because we want to make sure that the community and law enforcement have a better working relationship, because there's a cross section of people from various entity, governmental entities, to be part of the OPAC and and community leaders, community resources and community people want to know what's going on and have a better exchange with the law enforcement community. Thank you.
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Thank you very next speaker.
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um, pay close attention, dear woods.
Speaker 16
Chief betterson, I would like to congratulate you and commend you. Uh, assistance you provided in from Nini. Now for me, panini, it's been well received. And again, I'd like to thank you, Commissioner subject banks. I was also like, thank you. Now there was they don't call me rude. Black bag group, Motor City rule, Mr. Rule, for nothing. Pay close attention. I
Speaker 6
hope you got threatened me, man, I you know. I hope that you, man, shut up.
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Wouldn't fail.
Speaker 16
The Detroit tapes outline the whole circumstance of you, Lawrence Akbar and Melanie white, that's the Detroit tapes. That's what I call the collection. I'm going to release the whole collection. I got five copies spread throughout the country of everything. So if anything was to happen to me, it's still coming out now, Tamara Libby Smith and Darrell woods, Kenisha Coleman and shoot herself. I done told y'all that. Now I'm gonna demonstrate it to everybody. Charmaine McLeod did it, and I got a 40 year reputation of being stand up 100 I don't put stuff out my mouth unless I can stand on it. And I told both y'all that. Now y'all getting ready to see what I'm talking about. It's about over with for you.
Unknown Speaker
Thank you. Very kindly. Next speaker,
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that is your last speaker, Mr.
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Chair, praise the Lord.
Speaker 1
Let's go to the presentation of the board, because we have some serious closed door sessions that we need to hand through
Speaker 9
to the chair. Yes, before we can move into that. Can I say a couple words real quick? Yes, sir. I just wanted to say that. You know, a lot of commissioners on this on this board, and I really want to speak to the public right now, we have a lot of commissioners on the board that does a lot of work, a lot of hard work in their communities, including our one of our past chairs, Commissioner Willie Bell, and District Four, Commissioner Bell has has pretty much every graduation of a new officer that comes on board with this department, just, you know, very knowledgeable about the department, is really retired from but he does a lot of good work in his district. In the community, you don't see what commissioners are doing. They got their sleeves rolled up. They busy here in meetings, but also in their communities. Talk about someone mentioned about police recruitment. Commissioner Bell has always been pushing recruitment along with Commissioner Carter. Once again, you don't always see the work that commissioners do, but commissioners are busy working their districts, working in these meetings, preparing, you know, before these meetings occurred. And so I just wanted to say, you know, Commissioner is a great Commissioner, great person, but the thing about it is he does a lot of work, a lot of good work, and I think the community needs to sit down with him, I mean, and talk with them. Learn about the history. Learn about, you know, you know, how we can, you know, make things better. This is a great man right here, and I have opportunity to sit with him these past 12 years. And I have learned a lot from Commissioner bell as well. So this is a good man. I just want the community to know that vouch for him, you know, for his leadership, and he's a good man. There's a lot of good work in the community that you know that he actually runs circles, trust me.
Speaker 1
Wonderful. Okay, all right. Thank you very kindly to the technology utilization and advocacy COVID fire detection report.
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We're on the road today.
Speaker 17
Good afternoon chair, commissioners of the summer report, good afternoon chief,
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you may be heard. You got two and a half minutes
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just waiting for the slides to come up.
Speaker 1
Good guys, too. Thank you for your hospitality and citizens the city of Detroit who has come in to be able to see the real time crime center, you have been a great, great sport in that regard, has been phenomenal in that space.
Speaker 17
Thank you. Chair. We're always happy to explain everything to members of the community
Speaker 1
who come in the microphone for Commissioner. Commission webinar,
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yes, sir. Okay,
Speaker 17
down 
a little bit. Next slide, please. I'll go through this part a little quickly. Has been around for a while. We've talked a little bit. We've talked plenty about it. But just to go back to the beginning, body shots father, God's father, uses audio sensors to locate, detect and locate gunshots that are fired within the coverage area that we've defined. They are then able to provide alerts to the police department, allowing us to more quickly, respond to aid victims, identify witnesses, collect evidence, and then potentially identify suspects and prosecute them. Next slide, please. So what does this mean? How does this work? Basic overview. So ShotSpotter uses an array of acoustic sensors. They're spread throughout the coverage area. What the means, with the goal of being able to triangulate the location of impulsive sounds. So impulsive sound now that can be a gunshot, that can be fireworks, that can also be a car backfiring once that sound is captured, the audio that is analyzed by a machine learning algorithm that Scott's father developed, and then that classifies that sound into a variety of categories, whether it was a gunfire, whether it was a car backfiring, whether it was a firework or some other sound. That information is then reviewed by an analyst in one of Scott's father's incident review centers. They confirm what the algorithm has determined. They may add some additional information to that that they are able to determine from listening to the audio, and they push that alert to the police department, usually within about 60 seconds. Why is this important? National studies suggest that less than 20% of shots fired not shooting to people. Just generally speaking, gun shots are reported to 911, it's important because firing a gun within the city limits is a violation of the ordinance. Firing gun that somebody is obviously a much more serious crime, and it's important that DPD be able to respond quickly to all of those incidents, whether they're recorded by citizens or not. Just one of the reasons why citizens may choose not to report them, I can think either they've just gotten used to it, which is a horrible thought, or potentially they don't want to get into a dispute with a neighbor who has shown the proclivity to discard a firearm. Next slide, please. So this is a map of where 
we have coverage. The darker green portions here show the original two coverage areas that we implemented in March of 2021 the lighter green areas have been added in so the total coverage we have is approximately 39 square miles across nine of our 11 police precincts, and any of those shaded areas represents the current coverage area. Coverage areas were picked through a data driven process where we identified zones with higher than average shooting victims, higher than average calls to 911, reporting shootings and higher than average calls reported to 911, for shots fired. Next slide please. So this is a look at weekly ShotSpotter alerts since April 10 of 2023 and reason for starting the slide on April 10 is this is approximately when the expansion to 39 square miles was completed. And so all of these weekly counts are being collected from the same square miles. If we went back further, we'd see lower accounts simply because we had less coverage area. So we're looking at 2023 we saw an average of about 350 alerts for shots fired each week. And then in 2024 we saw that come down substantially to about 240 alerts for shots fired. Now you'll notice the gap there in the middle. We have excluded the few weeks surrounding New Year's Eve and New Year's Day from this graph. There were such a staggering number of shots fired alerts caught during that time that it would throw off this entire graph and we wouldn't really be able to see any patterns of the scale those weeks, the week of New Year, New Year's Eve, approximately 2000 alerts in a week, most of them coming from you know, those two days. So we have seen right behavior changing within the area. We're seeing less people going out and firing shots. And why is this important? One, you know, there is we hope an overall effect is part of our layered technology approach to reducing overall crime throughout the city. And I think we have seen that year after year now, as we have worked to increase in our leveraging of these technologies, we've seen these declines, but also from a public health standpoint and a public safety standpoint, the impact on children growing up with constant gunfire, right? We can reduce that. We can make a difference in early childhood development as well. Next slide please. So looking at some overall metrics for 2024
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a little bit. Next slide, please. I'll go through this part a little quickly. Has been around for a while. We've talked a little bit. We've talked plenty about it. But just to go back to the beginning, body shots father, God's father, uses audio sensors to locate, detect and locate gunshots that are fired within the coverage area that we've defined. They are then able to provide alerts to the police department, allowing us to more quickly, respond to aid victims, identify witnesses, collect evidence, and then potentially identify suspects and prosecute them. Next slide, please. So what does this mean? How does this work? Basic overview. So ShotSpotter uses an array of acoustic sensors. They're spread throughout the coverage area. What the means, with the goal of being able to triangulate the location of impulsive sounds. So impulsive sound now that can be a gunshot, that can be fireworks, that can also be a car backfiring once that sound is captured, the audio that is analyzed by a machine learning algorithm that Scott's father developed, and then that classifies that sound into a variety of categories, whether it was a gunfire, whether it was a car backfiring, whether it was a firework or some other sound. That information is then reviewed by an analyst in one of Scott's father's incident review centers. They confirm what the algorithm has determined. They may add some additional information to that that they are able to determine from listening to the audio, and they push that alert to the police department, usually within about 60 seconds. Why is this important? National studies suggest that less than 20% of shots fired not shooting to people. Just generally speaking, gun shots are reported to 911, it's important because firing a gun within the city limits is a violation of the ordinance. Firing gun that somebody is obviously a much more serious crime, and it's important that DPD be able to respond quickly to all of those incidents, whether they're recorded by citizens or not. Just one of the reasons why citizens may choose not to report them, I can think either they've just gotten used to it, which is a horrible thought, or potentially they don't want to get into a dispute with a neighbor who has shown the proclivity to discard a firearm. Next slide, please. So this is a map of where +1
we have coverage. The darker green portions here show the original two coverage areas that we implemented in March of 2021 the lighter green areas have been added in so the total coverage we have is approximately 39 square miles across nine of our 11 police precincts, and any of those shaded areas represents the current coverage area. Coverage areas were picked through a data driven process where we identified zones with higher than average shooting victims, higher than average calls to 911, reporting shootings and higher than average calls reported to 911, for shots fired. Next slide please. So this is a look at weekly ShotSpotter alerts since April 10 of 2023 and reason for starting the slide on April 10 is this is approximately when the expansion to 39 square miles was completed. And so all of these weekly counts are being collected from the same square miles. If we went back further, we'd see lower accounts simply because we had less coverage area. So we're looking at 2023 we saw an average of about 350 alerts for shots fired each week. And then in 2024 we saw that come down substantially to about 240 alerts for shots fired. Now you'll notice the gap there in the middle. We have excluded the few weeks surrounding New Year's Eve and New Year's Day from this graph. There were such a staggering number of shots fired alerts caught during that time that it would throw off this entire graph and we wouldn't really be able to see any patterns of the scale those weeks, the week of New Year, New Year's Eve, approximately 2000 alerts in a week, most of them coming from you know, those two days. So we have seen right behavior changing within the area. We're seeing less people going out and firing shots. And why is this important? One, you know, there is we hope an overall effect is part of our layered technology approach to reducing overall crime throughout the city. And I think we have seen that year after year now, as we have worked to increase in our leveraging of these technologies, we've seen these declines, but also from a public health standpoint and a public safety standpoint, the impact on children growing up with constant gunfire, right? We can reduce that. We can make a difference in early childhood development as well. Next slide please. So looking at some overall metrics for 2024 Unknown Speaker
compared to 2023
Speaker 17
in 2024 the total published alerts were 14,695
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and in 2023 the total was 18,065
Speaker 17
so we are seeing a decline in detected gunfire within the city. Now, I think it's also important to remember that in 2023 between January 1 and April 10, we didn't have that full coverage area, so we only had partial area throughout that and so even with that right where we had a shorter year, shorter amount of time, in 2023 with the full coverage area, we're still seeing a substantial decrease. The total number of rounds fired that were detected in those right were over 63,000 in 2023 and we're down to 54,000 in 2024 so we're seeing a decrease, substantial decrease, and the number of shots actually fired. Now when it comes to enforcement stats, right? So, for arrests that are connected to the shots father alerts in 2023 there were 401
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in 2024 there were 373
Speaker 17
and for firearms that were covered, that were connected to shots father alerts in 2023 there were 708 in 2024 596 right? We're seeing a decline, partially, at least, driven by the decline in those alerts. I also think it's important, you know, if you look at these numbers, right, we're in completely different magnitudes. We're in 10s of 1000s for those first two rows, and we're in hundreds for the second two rows. You know, there is not, you know, firing a gun. It's not an arrestable offense, right? It's, it's a violation of the ordinance, which is dealt with 
with a ticket. So those arrests are for much more serious crimes that are connected to these alerts. And then next slide, please. So why is this? Another reason this is important, right? Many of you may be familiar with nibin, National Integrated ballistics Information Network. It's a program here, exceptional program here, DPD from the ATF, all of our bullet casings that we collect, either from the scene or from firearms that we recover and then test fire are loaded into that system, 3d modeled, and those scans are compared, so we can link crimes together. Again. This is just an example of how one piece of technology supports another piece of technology. In this case, very directly, we saw the evidence we collected. The amount of bullet casings that we collected substantially increase after we expanded our coverage, and so that just gives us another investigative tool to link crimes together hopefully find leads across multiple cases that can help us solve them. Next slide, please questions, and that is the end of our
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with a ticket. So those arrests are for much more serious crimes that are connected to these alerts. And then next slide, please. So why is this? Another reason this is important, right? Many of you may be familiar with nibin, National Integrated ballistics Information Network. It's a program here, exceptional program here, DPD from the ATF, all of our bullet casings that we collect, either from the scene or from firearms that we recover and then test fire are loaded into that system, 3d modeled, and those scans are compared, so we can link crimes together. Again. This is just an example of how one piece of technology supports another piece of technology. In this case, very directly, we saw the evidence we collected. The amount of bullet casings that we collected substantially increase after we expanded our coverage, and so that just gives us another investigative tool to link crimes together hopefully find leads across multiple cases that can help us solve them. Next slide, please questions, and that is the end of our Speaker 13
question. Thank you. Have a question, and I hope I'm remembering this correctly. I believe it was like this around this time last year. There was some reports that the company that we contract with for shots fired, it had like a leak, and there was some concern about whether or not there might be retaliation on the devices as a result of people knowing where they are. And so I just wanted to see if you could provide any update on whether or not there has been not there has been any material a challenge as a result of the leak that occurred last year. Of course,
Speaker 17
very good question. Yes. So the circumstances around that, my understanding is a former employee had saved a copy of a map layer that had a snapshot of sensors across the whole country, and I think in other parts of the world as well. They released it at that time that was already six months old. It was quite out of date, and so sensors had, some cases, been moved. I took a look at the website that posted it, none, and there was no public facing version I could find that allowed you to zoom in beyond, like the city level, so you couldn't actually see the exact locations. You could only really see the approximate locations. So we didn't see any direct retaliation or action taken against sensors during that time. Occasionally, a sensor will come down either because car collision into the pole or other equipment some kind of collapse. I'm aware of maybe three sensors that have come down in the whole time. But there are, you know, contractor Scott's father, right? There are processes in place to collect them and have them reinstall
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commission into Washington. Bernard,
Speaker 18
yes, thank you, Mr. Chair, yes. Just notice that on the shot metrics, the periods for 24 and 23 are not the same. For 23 is an eight month period, and for 24 to 12 month period, is that correct?
Speaker 17
So on the weekly side, yes. So that is the yellow graph on the green background. That is correct that that is starting.
Speaker 18
I'm actually looking at the at the the
Speaker 17
is not that is 12 months compared to 12 months, the full year, compared to the full year. The only caveat for that, as as you know, I think they're you're seeing here, is that between January 1 and April 10, we were in the process of expanding still, and so we didn't have that full 39 square miles during that time. So we started, you know, at the beginning, right? That's why we didn't include it in the weekly comparison, because we would have less collected during that time. So there is a slight discrepancy in what we're comparing, but overall, I think it shows programmatically, what we got out of that program, regardless of whether it was exactly consistent year to year.
Speaker 18
Okay, so that I'm sorry that clarifies my question that I had, and I just want to highlight that the numbers are significantly lower in 24 compared to 23 and if it was for, if it were for an eight month period, I was gonna say it was really lower. But would you attribute that to the significant lower numbers? Is it because of that?
Speaker 17
I think that's why there plays a very large role in that, right? I think it's important to think about everything in the context of our overall technology strategy, right? That includes license plate readers, Project Green Light. Everything is thought about holistically so that we get the most out of it all. One technology is valuable. Two technologies working together are more valuable. So shots fired is definitely playing a role in that. And I think, you know, that's helping drive changes in behavior. I think people in those coverage areas are getting a sense that if they fire a gun, the police will show up. And so we would expect to see, and I think the that substantial decrease in alerts and all around, you know, leads us down that path of saying, you know, we are seeing a change in behavior. People are firing guns less frequently in the city
Speaker 5
through the chair. I have to add to it's another aspect of ShotSpotter alerts, where the next day, we actually send out officers with the little metal detector things and ATMs as well to collect the shell casings. And so that creates a stir up in the neighborhood, and individuals who fire shots, or folks who frequently fire shots in the neighborhood, see that wrap around, and that has a tremendous deterrent effect as well. So you see in view of alerts, because it's changing culture and behavior in the neighborhoods. Thank
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you. Thank you, Commissioner Bernard and Commissioner
Speaker 12
banks. Just quickly, as I recall, the Shot Spotter contract was with a California company. I don't recall if it was bid. I don't think that it was. I don't I don't know what the term of that contract is, but we would be interested in in knowing that it's about, as I recall, six or $7 million a year. But my so if you can enlighten us on all those issues, but, but what I wanted to ask you about is, as I recall, when we started, Scott spotter, it was for the ninth precinct only. Now it's spread, and I'd like to know what precincts is in. That's number one. And is that your plan to make it citywide
Speaker 17
through the chair? I believe you're right. The total contract amount was about $7 million for the expansion. No for the total expansion the most recent contract, I believe it's been some time I wasn't directly involved in the process and except, you know, for the kind of planning and determining where the coverage area to be, I believe we bid it out both for the 20 21/8 and ninth precinct and set up, and then also for the we bid it out for the expansion as well. You may also remember back in 2014 we it was a one square mile trial in the ninth precinct alone that lasted about 18 months, no cost of the city. And then it went away. There wasn't really an interest, I think. Since then, we saw a lot of other pieces and play for technology. DPD implemented a new records management system, and we dispatch system. We brought Nineveh here. And so there was a lot of other we stood up the real time crime center. There was a lot of other systems in place to support it. And so in 2021 when we brought it back, we had, I believe, two square miles in the eighth precinct, and four and a half square miles on the ninth precinct. That's when we really started to see a lot of success in terms of evidence collection. And some of you may remember the news within 24 hours, approximately maybe, maybe 30 hours of launching it, we had identified a ghost gun manufacturing house in the ninth precinct, successfully set up surveillance, gotten in the search warrant. Did it recover the whole bunch of assault rifles and other firemen.
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Is it gone city wide?
Speaker 5
At this point, I haven't had any conversations to indicate that it's going city wide. So we have to be very economically responsible, and so it's a pretty significant cost that goes along with it. And so we've identified the most based off data that the neighborhoods where we were seeing the most homicides, non fatal shootings, got fired. And that's why we chose the 39 square miles roughly that we have in of course, the city of Detroit is roughly 141 square miles. So at this particular point in time, as of right now, there's no conversation for it to go city wide. Let's
Speaker 1
direct respect that Commissioner. Man, this is present commission.
Speaker 18
Okay, thank you, mister. I just wanted to clarify that we do have a report under tab six, and it is by precinct and the precinct for Scott spotter, and the precincts that are not, there are one, three and seven, all of the other precincts have a report. I assume those are the three that were not, that we don't have shots.
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Thank you. Yes sir, thank you.
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Look at
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New Year's Eve and New Year's Day. Mr. Year Eve, we have a tremendous volume on construct. I would hope that you would shop out of this mic after that. Well, 911, probably would, Steve, that type of information, could you look in terms of that even pre shot powder concept, and also we need to look at in terms of the gunfire decreasing. But we know that this is a violent society. Too many gun shootings. We've been very blessed that we didn't have a shooting this weekend of fatal shooting, just only, good lord, put in the mind people to not respond. What happens to ghost guns that we've been dealing with? Any feedback on that, and also reference to other devices, COVID technology, process in place, we need to perhaps a breakdown on the board determined to community conception in terms of the heaven series. We need to identify that we need to be informed, and also, if we work together in terms of us. E, educational process, maybe we need to start a campaign in reference to dealing with us, because it just totally out of control. I know in my neighborhood, I know in your neighborhood, it is still with us, and we just very fortunate what goes out, don't come down and kill somebody. Thank
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you. Thank you for your time through
Speaker 5
through the chair, Commissioner Bill, you're absolutely right. We still capture it, and so the only reason you don't see the shots fired data for New Year's Eve and New Year's Day on here is it would have completely skewed everything. But we shot fired still on we just didn't choose the ability to actually see the trend line. But we still respond, and we still for every one of those shots fired, we still did a wrap around and sent officers along with the metal detectors to all of those locations. And on New Year's Eve, our officers were out there. They were working. And as a result, you can even go back. We all one house over on the east side, on the boards, they were getting ready and prepared to shoot. And we got a whole arsenal, of course, officers in the ninth and so I could provide that for the board as well. They're out there. They're working. And I do agree with you starting earlier, as to what we can do as far as the educational campaign, letting individuals know that through the board of police commissioners, our community violence division, our interrupters, still pushing the narrative out that, hey, what goes up does come down, and its consequences fire to come within the city limits. It also letting individuals know that you know if you're using a ghost or some other illegal firearm, or illegal firearm, and you're shooting expected to be for a police department to come collect your shell casings, and we're gonna put them in our naive system. And many of those shell casings actually link to other crimes, so the traffic control stuff that they leave behind for us to link to serious
Speaker 1
crimes. Thank you so much, chief. And great, great point, I will ask, what were the arrests for? Give us a breakdown for that, you know, in the future, and also like, if it was a homicide and then, or whatever it was, and then how many lives were saved during the shot spotted them responded to Shot Spotter, because I know of a couple of cases that you guys reported to us that they came in at the nick of time and they saved the lives, you know. So if there was some lies saved, I think that should the community shouldn't hear about that as well, because we're saving lives in this process. That's that's worth life. It is worth the money, you know, so I think that you should detail that in the report as well. Yeah,
Speaker 17
through the chair. It's a very good point, and we can work on a breakdown of what the arrest was for saving a life. I think that gets a little more complicated in terms of timing, right? Would that person have died if we have not gotten there in time? Is a little hard to where you draw the line. I have
Speaker 1
a victim. There could be possibly bleeding out, you know, if you could, you know, I think that's making your point.
Speaker 20
Thank you. I would just go off that same point. Maybe there's a preventative chapter, right that could include some criteria. And I know Steve just mentioned that there, you know, there was a moment where shots are about to be fired. Maybe that's one of the criteria in terms of when the response time occurs, how quickly it is, and so forth, it would be important to capture more of a preventative sense,
Speaker 17
yes and through the Chair, just for example, for job title alerts that were connected to a kind of serious RMS report. So in 2023
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we had 149
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RMS reports for either homicide, aggravated assault or non fatal shooting. So that means shots were fired towards a person, whether they took effect or not. About those 149 that I'm talking to did not have corresponding 911, calls rent in our dispatch system, it was about 30% of total reports. And the same, it was about 30% in 2024, so some sense of there are, you know, you know, 30% of incidents connected to shots, Father alerts the last two years were shocker fired towards an individual we're not also reported to 911 I
Speaker 1
think that's important. You know those numbers, because some lives were stayed there. Yeah, yes, sir. Thank
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you. Okay, you know.
Speaker 9
I guess I have a question for the gentleman at the podium. Is that
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we would like to
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know just a return on an investment program. This is a we know that this is a very priceless tool that the city is using,
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you know, especially when it comes to,
Speaker 9
you know, gunfire alerts, how many people are arrested, how many guns are confiscated. I mean, we have to be able to measure this to some proper way to see, you know what type of investment is the city's getting for his dollars. I look at cities that pushed away from stock spot, or which would be Chicago, February of 2024, fall springs, Massachusetts, Charleston, North Carolina, Dayton, Ohio, which is three hours away from here, North Carolina, San Antonio, Texas, and the list goes on, but you know we you know we could see what the ROI is, especially how much this price tag is costing. I want to
Speaker 5
definitely explain it through the chair with the report, and Mr. Reverend blunt raised this as well. As far as wanting to know that a number of arrests that Scott spotter Lewis read to and so with this report, it states that arrest connected to shop bottomers. For 2024 it was 373 and in 2023 it was the 100. I mean, it was 401
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so that gives the number of arresting. You know, as we
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detail our reports giving more specific information, we can look for other ways to articulate in show return on investment. ROI, so to your point, Commissioner Burton, thank you for that. And then looking to based off the 911 calls, where the lack of 911 calls, in many case, but for ShotSpotter, the police are there timely and finding a victim, getting the investor, and getting individuals to the hospital, actually saving lives. So it has a it has a an effect where we're able to get there, save lives and also, in many cases, arrest perpetrators and deal with the situation where citizens would not have normally called 911,
Speaker 1
all Right, thank you. Commissioner Smith, I had a question.
Speaker 3
Yes, through this year, I was just in response to my experience with John spotter. So I'm a community engagement specialist with cease fire Detroit, which is in partnership with DPD, and that in 2022 I reported of an incident that we responded to, and that was with the department responding to the stop spotter, going off and finding a home that had been shot up. You know, a woman had been critically injured, who had been shot twice in the head and once in the abdomen. Medics came and transported her to the hospital, and her life was saved because of Shot Spotter. And the stop spot or not went off, they would not have even responded to see that a woman was near fatally injured. So that is what my evidence and my proof of just being a responding first responders to that scene.
Speaker 12
Okay, thank you. One final comment on that mother, Bernice, who's sitting right there, showed me her car. I did not what you said earlier is too what goes up does come down because there was a bullet hole in the foot of her car. That was from it was New Year's Eve or something, you came out and there was a bullet hole in your car, and the shot went up came down. So steel as well. Yeah. All right,
Speaker 1
thank you very kindly. All right, going to the budget presentation.
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Good afternoon, Mr. Chair Lord,
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part of the presentation of the budget special from the Department of Finance through the chief office. And first slide, next slide, please, shows the reports that are submitted to the board that are the budget perspective for quarter two for all the funds, then the general fund revenues and expenditures, vehicle purchase report, capital expenditure report, and then the last one activity report. Next slide please. This report shows the budget and the actual for the quarter of all the funds. And as you know, the police budget includes four major funds. It is the general fund, the revenue fund, and then special revenue fund includes the top fund, together with the 911 fund, as you can see from the slide the budget for the general fund and December 31 2024 was $18.1 million and The actual was almost $18.1 million
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part of the presentation of the budget special from the Department of Finance through the chief office. And first slide, next slide, please, shows the reports that are submitted to the board that are the budget perspective for quarter two for all the funds, then the general fund revenues and expenditures, vehicle purchase report, capital expenditure report, and then the last one activity report. Next slide please. This report shows the budget and the actual for the quarter of all the funds. And as you know, the police budget includes four major funds. It is the general fund, the revenue fund, and then special revenue fund includes the top fund, together with the 911 fund, as you can see from the slide the budget for the general fund and December 31 2024 was $18.1 million and The actual was almost $18.1 million Unknown Speaker
of minus 0.3%
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again, was the budget was 297,000
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rounded up, and the actual was $273,000
Speaker 21
a little bit below the budget. Grant Revenue Fund, is the one that we missed the actual compared to the budget. And the explanation for that from $1.9 million we brought in only $26,000
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is the timing of the recording of the revenue
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for the police department. Special indicated is the CO fund, plus the two point and we brought in $2.8 million consisting mainly of the increased, little bit increase in poor revenue. Then on the expenditure side, the General Fund was almost $4 million below budget. And again, we do expect at the end of the year to finish the year within the budget. However, not that the surplus that you see at the end of six months. And the board to emphasize the fact that this presentation, or these numbers represent half of the year, so six months out of 12, therefore this is a good indication where the police department stands. Budget wise, the other funds, again, are not the concern of Future Fund, grant fund and the talk last 911 fund, all of them doing or staying within the budget while supporting the operations of the police department. Next slide please. This slide shows the revenues that we are expected to receive just the general fund now the comprises of three major revenue sources. Is the municipal income tax, utility users tax, and the revenue that are the total revenue and the special events, combined with the secondary employment we expected to receive, or we had a budget that we received $18 for the three months and the whole year, we expect to receive $92 million So we actually we received close to 20% of the revenues during the quarter. Wages, in the middle of the slide, we spent $86.8 million salary, wages and overtime, and for the whole year, we have budgeted $340 million in that regard. So we are a little bit over 2% over the budget amount for the quarter. Then you can see down the line, employee benefits, contractual services, operating supplies, operating services, capital 
equipment and other expenses, all of them very much staying within the budget refinements. Next slide, please. This is a detail slide, and for the public, this is not too it's too small print. But I just want to let you know that this is a more detail of the previous slide that shows details of what the municipal income tax, utility users tax, sales and services, license, permit and inspection charges, fine, sports, picture and penalties, coupled with revenues from use of the assets. And again, those are a lot of details. The information has been provided to the board, and I'll be happy to answer any questions you may have in that regard. Next slide, please. This slide again has the details of expenditures, and the expenditures are broken down by salaries over time for the non uniform police uniform employee benefits and all the operation, Operation services for the police department, from contractual services to medical expenses and professional services, the way that they are budgeted and what the actual amount was. Next slide please. This is continuation of the previous slide. We continue the other services, such as operating supplies, operating services, capital equipment and other 
expenses, including training. Next slide please. The following. The slide shows the vehicle purchase report, the total of vehicles that were purchased during the court for the month of October, November and December. There were 37 vehicles, and the slide has been broken down by type and the type of vehicle and the month that we purchased those vehicles. Next slide please. The This slide shows the improvements, capital improvements, and the repair maintenance that we did during the month of October, November and December, and broken down by the location and by the amount. The total amount for the quarter was, we spent $316,000 among all the locations that DPD has operations or operates in those buildings, the last, next to last, slide shows the grant activity report. There were only two new grants that started during the fiscal year 25 and the one of them was overtime traffic enforcement of $159,250 and the other one was community policing. 26,290 $5,000 the grants under that are the grants that were utilized during the quarter. But they did not initiate. They did not start doing that quarter. Rather that they are continuation of the previous quarters, prior to the second quarter 2025, and honorable chair, you conclude my presentation, and I'll be happy to answer any questions on behalf of DPD that you may have do Commissioner
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equipment and other expenses, all of them very much staying within the budget refinements. Next slide, please. This is a detail slide, and for the public, this is not too it's too small print. But I just want to let you know that this is a more detail of the previous slide that shows details of what the municipal income tax, utility users tax, sales and services, license, permit and inspection charges, fine, sports, picture and penalties, coupled with revenues from use of the assets. And again, those are a lot of details. The information has been provided to the board, and I'll be happy to answer any questions you may have in that regard. Next slide, please. This slide again has the details of expenditures, and the expenditures are broken down by salaries over time for the non uniform police uniform employee benefits and all the operation, Operation services for the police department, from contractual services to medical expenses and professional services, the way that they are budgeted and what the actual amount was. Next slide please. This is continuation of the previous slide. We continue the other services, such as operating supplies, operating services, capital equipment and other +3
expenses, including training. Next slide please. The following. The slide shows the vehicle purchase report, the total of vehicles that were purchased during the court for the month of October, November and December. There were 37 vehicles, and the slide has been broken down by type and the type of vehicle and the month that we purchased those vehicles. Next slide please. The This slide shows the improvements, capital improvements, and the repair maintenance that we did during the month of October, November and December, and broken down by the location and by the amount. The total amount for the quarter was, we spent $316,000 among all the locations that DPD has operations or operates in those buildings, the last, next to last, slide shows the grant activity report. There were only two new grants that started during the fiscal year 25 and the one of them was overtime traffic enforcement of $159,250 and the other one was community policing. 26,290 $5,000 the grants under that are the grants that were utilized during the quarter. But they did not initiate. They did not start doing that quarter. Rather that they are continuation of the previous quarters, prior to the second quarter 2025, and honorable chair, you conclude my presentation, and I'll be happy to answer any questions on behalf of DPD that you may have do Commissioner 
Speaker 1
the wash and any Commission have any questions
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at the watch. Oh.
Speaker 18
So the question, thank you through the chair. So the question I have is, you mentioned that we're 50% six months into the year, the fiscal year, and I'm, I'm looking at, for instance, total revenues for the second quarter, which is the municipal utility revenue that page, yes, and it's 18,000,018
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point 1 million.
Speaker 18
And our annual budget is 92 point 8 million. Yes, it only represents 20% even though we're at 50% of the year. So is that timing? Are we gonna achieve? Yes,
Speaker 21
that's a really good question. And the revenues, although we stood at 20% for the quarter, most of revenues are time sensitive, meaning that, for example, income tax that police department gets a portion of the overall cities. Most of that comes in the month of months of March and April, as you know, when we filed income taxes. Therefore not much happening. Very hard during the months of October, November, December, tax, we receive a portion of the utility expenditures in the civil Detroit. But as you know that the heaviest months, which are the coldest, question that there is a tight as we have budgeted for the fiscal year.
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Thank you. Okay,
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Commissioner press lady and Commissioner
Speaker 13
Bernard, thank you. To the chair. My question is again, relative to the grant revenue, you said that the shortage is really a part of the timing, and so I'm wondering whether or not we should have seen that in the first quarter, or should we expect to see that made up in the third quarter with
Speaker 21
the grants? And that's not a good question. The way that the county rules work is that we do book them as they come in, and usually the grants we square up, we reconcile at the end of June, truly. So the report will be the more accurate report. However we move up and down throughout the year, we book them the way they come, the way that we sense them. Therefore, to be more succinct on that point, is that, because it kind of drew my attention as well, that we had made a entry to boost some of the expenditures in the previous year to make sure that we utilize full advance. Therefore that negative expenditure, that we took money out from the third second quarter and
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took that mom down, therefore
Speaker 21
you expect me to give you a fuller and better picture of the grant revenues, as you expect. Okay, thank
Speaker 13
you for that, and follow up to that. Understand these two allocations, because again, the actual for the second quarter in grants is $26,000 but the new brand started in the second quarter, $600,000
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captured in a different area
Speaker 21
indicates the amount that we're authorized and we signed the contract to spend. Doesn't mean that we spend or start the spending. Also, you know, we were approved. You approve them. The chief approve them. The City Council approved them. But it does not indicate the approve them, but they have the actual expenditure
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in the revenue, because we
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don't get money until
Speaker 12
commission Bernard, just, just quickly, thank you for your report. I'm sorry. Thank you for your report. The according to the general fund, about 62% of the revenue for the department goes for personnel related costs. That's higher than it used to be. And I just like to I know we've done some hiring and so forth, but, but obviously personnel and benefits are the largest part of generally, any budget, but to go from like 50 some percent to 60 50% to 62% is a leap. But my second question is, and it's even more important than that one, and that is, what are we going to do? What percentage in your opinion of our budget is federal grants, and as federal grants decrease probably in the next year, how do you see us being able to pay all of this money and absorb the expenses related to this budget, considering the fact that there's no major tax increase for Detroit residents being protected
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by answering the second question. First, the
Speaker 21
budget does not depend heavily under threats, and we know that lately, the situation withheld from the federal government coming down. We are. Detroit Police Department is built to operate without being much dependent on the grants of the federal government, state or otherwise. Therefore, as you know, the Detroit Police Department is probably $450 million and the respect to receive in any given year is anywhere from seven to $8 million that again, we are not dependent. We appreciate that. We make the best use of them. But chief medicines department does not again attend operating on those chip through
Speaker 5
this year. One of the things that we're doing, also commissioner is with our public safety Trust Fund, 4605 4606
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what likely we're expecting it to come out of the State House of Representatives this week. That's what I've been told. And you know that happens in when it passes the state senate, there will be an additional $18 million to the city of Detroit, approximately or public safety, which will benefit this department, so that that comes from State Road sales tax, and it not only benefits the BPD, it's going to benefit other departments across the state of Michigan as well. Grand Rapids, it's roughly about 3 million Lansing this year. Dear board. Emphasize that it's good for public safety across the state of Michigan, but Detroit, give the lion's share. Thank you. Another question,
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versus the sale, it
Speaker 21
now is operating almost at full capacity the department and plus the the the contracts that were approved back in 2023 however, it is not that major increase. You know, Police Department has has always operated from 55 the personnel expenditures are from 55 anywhere to 60 to 63% of don't watch it. Okay, just
Speaker 18
thank you through the Chair, just a quick question with regards to the appropriation that you talked about, Chief, that I'm sorry through the chair, is that amount already factored into this budget? That would be an amended budget. It would be an additional Okay? And you said about 3 million, 18 million. Oh, 18 million. Okay. And then my other question just real quick, under other revenue, what does that incorporate? What does that include other revenue? The other
Speaker 21
revenue consists of the special events that money, employment, fees charge. The option of the abandoned vehicles is there and the fees will receive. General Fund receives a portion of the totaling fees from total operations, 900,000 $2
Speaker 19
million a year. Yes, sir, we approve the budget, and from there, the mayor approved the budget and give a final budget to the council. They are the final authority. Can you come back and arrange the Secretary to come book back to this board to highlight area, to have an impact in terms of what we submitted, the changes that you ever might be significant. Might insignificant, I don't know, but I think we should have that opportunity to review that, and
Speaker 21
when the city council finally passes the budget to make sure that those numbers are passed down to
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the report
Speaker 5
absolutely you know as well. So
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thank you so so much.
Speaker 1
And the vehicles in the second precinct are we focus. We have a lot of citizens calling in about that, and there has been some complaints about that. Are we getting the vehicles there or are there? I don't know what the situation is. I ain't told police, but, you know,
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yeah, through the drive and heard that, and so
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never stole
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something as
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well as right, correct, okay,
Speaker 1
all right, Thank you. That's the
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only question that
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there's nothing further?
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Yes, sir, thank you. Chair
Speaker 20
I made to a very fine line with what I'm going to ask. But is there, is there any work underway from a budget perspective regarding any potential reductions in budget, whether it be grants, revenue, otherwise, based on lingering executive orders at the federal level, for law enforcement, potentially have even on what I call points of access for Officers, partnerships like Cleary, partnerships like Wayne State, are we going to lose any kind of funding, and is there any kind of work to even interpret that
Speaker 5
through this year? We have, we have no indications at this point, but become aware of our here. Anything we'll make this board aware.
Speaker 1
So long as the shortage is taxes, this is mostly taxpayer dollars. And then this is reason why we asked it to the public, you know, because this is their money. Most of that four, $50 million come from citizens of Detroit, and we appreciate that our citizens contributing and make sure that we have a police department, and then we'll move on, because we have some closed door sessions are vitally important.
Speaker 9
I have a couple of questions. I'll be short and brief on this. Yes, sir. I love to see more dollars put into helping the finance and persons here in the city of Detroit. I love to see more dollars added to traffic enforcement unit as well. I don't know I don't know where would it be coming from in this particular budget, or where should I look but, but also, like to see dollars and telephone crime reported, you know, just, I would love to see some dollars in those in those areas where we can beef up the midst of person unit and get more. You know, officers and civilians working in that office, as well as
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traffic enforcement.
Speaker 9
I have not heard any discussions about harbor masters, about how many dollars probably was awarded over the years for harbor basket, but I don't know how they look in on funding. I think DTE, I think probably help funds the Mounted Unit patrol. These are different divisions. I would love to see the additional dollars go to those departments as well, because of the hard work those men and women in those divisions and what they bring to this department and to the great city of Detroit,
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okay, all right, Chief,
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thank you. Commissioner bird, yep. All right.
Speaker 1
Let us go into closed session. Can you read it off first,
Speaker 10
I move that we go into closed session, pursuant section eight A of the Open Meeting, act a, f, MC, l, 15, 268, a department request for the board to consider administration leave without pay with
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someone taking that you don't
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have his glasses. Maybe that'll
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help our business. Okay,
Speaker 13
you were reading a new business. Business here? Yes. Oh, okay, we moved to closed session pursuant to section 8f of the Open Meetings Act MCO, 15, 260, 8f candidate, Charles bonder, for the board to consider disqualified applicant appeal for the DPD hiring process,
Speaker 1
motion made by Commissioner Presley, second by Commissioner Hernandez, to go into closed session to consider disqualified applicant appeal from DP D hiring process. Any discussion? All in favor? Say, aye. Anyone opposed? The Motion carried. This is uh, three and a half minute recess
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recording. Stop me.
Speaker 22
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Speaker 20
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Speaker 16
helps. I saw what the number away, but I don't see
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well in the deep.
Speaker 23
Helps keep people focused. It helps a lot of training helps you, you know you, you still put the same amount of studies at all from week To Week, Like