I'm terrible at this thank you Paulo for reminding us steering committee meeting this is what August 21 20/21 Yeah, three so yeah, I don't have a full agenda but Chris was I mean, this is Chris's domain but like we should talk about anyways for picking a bank So Paulo saying the other bank that I had listed on there was the
other one called um it's Valley strong yeah credit union which used to be financial center credit union and they were like really like politically active before like making a lot of donations to pretty much like any candidate just to have sway some I was a little nervous about opening an account with them for that reason.
Yeah, Uncle bank I looked up some of like their board directors and like their president stuff I mean, outside of like one person it seems like they knew where they each made like large individual donations it was a Republican, they give like 100 here and there is nothing super significant. And so we can go with them they are local. I mean, Chris would need to go like make a bank like go together and then open a bank account
that's gonna be fun.
The question I have is do we want to stick with I mean, I'm picking local for like no reason other than like, you know, let's pick local seems like worried that I
don't I don't care as long as it's a credit union and local will be better but also something that if we happen to expand in the future has at least like I bank with Macomb the credit union, they have one fucking branch right it's not a good decision to put the organization's money there.
Yes, a phone call has like ATMs all over and they have branches kind of throughout Santa can County at least that I know of. I mean, I think their broader than that to me actually.
Yeah, when I was looking for a bank, I looked into makan whatever. But
they're great for for me, right for like an individual. They're great. So a
lot of the credit unions don't even do the problem is they don't do business and our business.
Right, that makes sense. I mean, I would imagine like,
okay, that's the place in Livermore Pleasanton, Stockton and Tracy, which is not the widest
spread, but that's basically all of San Joaquin County. Right?
Yeah, we're missing like Manduca. Okay. And I think there's there's one load I do, they don't mention it here. But they're the one Lodi so it doesn't make it easier for us to operate. And they do offer business like I think like, like golden one doesn't offer business
accounts. That was what I was thinking it was golden one. But if that yeah, that's yeah.
So okay, then I think we're just I talked to Chris and we'll go pick them and it's fine. I mean, what are they gonna give us grief on like, not respond to our emails quickly, like, whatever. And then if they do, like, the other thing is, if we are concerned about it, then I feel like we should just go with someone big, like a Bank of America or something because they're going to be too big. Like, what? They're too big to care about us. Right? Yeah. But that's if we run into trouble I feel like otherwise. Yeah, I agree. Let's stay local. On Robert, do you know any other credit union? Or like what are your thoughts? Okay, seems like everyone. Okay, bye. Bye. Don't feed the Wells Fargo death machine. Preferably. Okay, so we will go with her after confirming this because this is this domain
Yeah, I saw the thread but I didn't do any reading research or
anything. Yeah, that's fine. I looked up like a bunch of them that I could find locally. And those were the only two business accounts and I think these guys will waive the fee too. So it'll be cheaper than the other one. Okay, so let's talk about member stack that's related to this all alright. So I've been wasting a lot of time trying to like too much time trying to like rethink do I want WordPress Should we go with member or web flow that sort of like back end? The the WordPress the only reason I'm inching towards it is because they had a really nice calendar plugin that like gives you different views and stuff. But I don't know how much people actually use like our calendar versus putting it into their calendar, their own calendar. But then when members staff members tech only works with work Word for or Webflow, what we use now, the benefit of it is you can have, like an actual login. So like when a member signs up, they can actually make like an account on our website. And then so they can like, sign up, like the button will say sign up on, they're not a member or like signup login, they sign in, they can sign in, you know, through Gmail, or through Facebook, or they can use their email and password. And then they can go pop up with like, I was thinking we can just present them with like, two or three membership levels, like, you know, the $10, the like, activist level at 27 or something. And then like, something else or like something Oh, my
God, I'm so rich.
Yeah. Maker 1000. Like class trader for like, $100. But yeah. And then, yeah, so you have those three, and they can pick and then once they pick, then, you know, they can manage their whole, like, I want to unsub I want to go down next month, or whatever all on their own without touching or like bothering us about it. And then, the other benefit is that you also get, like, you can have web pages that only they can view. I've been trying to think about like, what what, like, we're so open about everything. I'm like, what web page is exactly what we have that only members can do. Like we have our little member only section on the forum. And like, I was like maybe for trying to coordinate a campaign or something. But
yeah, there's definitely I can definitely think of some campaign stuff that we would not want public. We definitely the private area for that for sure.
And so that's the other benefit is like we can have a private area where you have to, like you least have to be a dues paying member. I mean, the problem of all this stuff is like, are they found some landlord, I'll be like, fucking, here's your 10 bucks. Tell me everything. You know, it's a very weak paywall. But, yeah, it's something at least it's not like on Google. But anyway, so the decision between like WordPress and members, that could be WordPress, we have to start all over. But I am much more familiar with it and get it done quicker. But we would not have member only pages, it would all be public and member flow would be like this. Like to manage it, they'd have to go to member stack, and log in and manage it there. Versus Webflow. Were very nice. And like all kind of in, like on our website, you know, like it seems professional. But the calendar is the calendar we have now.
I don't mind the calendar we have now it works pretty well for me. How does has anybody else commented on it?
No one's commented on it. I guess it works. I think I don't. We don't get a lot of people like actually subbing like, RSVP. Yeah, yeah, or something. And I think people are just always like, you know, we're classy indeed.com/connor. I guess I could also just like change it to where we don't present the Zoom link like up front like that. Because that's that seems to be the thing. Now people are like, Why the fuck would I need to like, give you my email. Here it is. But it's also nice that they don't have to give the email but like, we have no RSVPs ever on anything. And that's a little frustrating.
Yeah, I mean, that's why I don't RSVP because it's just straight.
Yeah. Yeah. And like, what's the point? I mean, I don't. Yeah, and all the Zoom links are exactly the same. So honestly, you can bookmark or Zoom link and then just show up. And the other one, I mean, I guess word presses calendars a little bit nicer, but it's basically the same. But yeah, I mean, I guess I'm happy we are proceeding with workflow then doing number stack, but I wanted to bring up the option.
Okay, it's
like the big difference is like, one allows you to create an account where you can add stuff to the account, like what?
No, this is the calendar view. Let me see if I can find it. In my notes. It's literally just like a nice sort of calendar.
That's what I was gonna say the nice thing about being able to, like wait for the other thing you said is that they would be they would sign up and we would basically be they would be able to make an account and put in all their information, basically, right? Yeah. And if we make joining the website or joining the forum, or whatever, part of like new membership, and it would just be as a second like stop gap to ensure that we've collected their phone number and any information that's like necessary, right, so like when they join we put they put it on paper and when they log into the forum, they put in a digital format.
Yeah, so the way I was thinking for and I guess this is membership committee stuff or whatever, like all this stuff is like overlapping some very much Whenever we're in the room together, let's let's talk, same thing. So the envelope, so the way that underside could work is you sign in, you say I, like want to want to do like the $9 account or whatever, like whatever you're paying $10, then you put in like your address, your phone number, your credit card info. And now, because you want to kind of make it minimal, right, like what you're collecting there, but we need phone number would be the one extra thing that we wouldn't need for their credit card. But it's good for us to have anyways. And then the follow up email can include, like we can hook up to Google Calendar through Zapier to Action Network. And so an action network you can make a new field that is basically anytime a new member is made. It'll pull it, like they'll activate the like, I'm using mc.com. But it's basically like Zapier, you know, the automations in the background, it'll pull like our like our upcoming membership meeting our upcoming event like how are we filter that in Zapier, shoot an email and it'll add it, it'll add it to like, an entry in their profile on an Action Network. And then in the email, you can pull from that field. So in the email, they'll have the most up to date, address, right. And this is grabbing, like when someone actually pays their dues, like, they'll be able to sign in with their email, Gmail or Facebook, they'll be able to pick like their $10, their solidarity level at like 27. Or I guess we're gonna go to class trader at like, $100 a month or something. And then, you know, they put in their name, address, phone number, credit card info, and then we'll be hypothetically be able to send them an email from action network that has like, welcome. Here's the next general meeting. Here's the next like, social event. If you have the mentorship program, like, here's someone you can call, like right now. And then, you know, here's like, link to our forum, if you want to come chat, and maybe like a link to like, here's what we discussed at the last meeting. Like we should be able to automate all that. And that's what we're doing next. Or that's what I'm planning on doing next for the pipeline.
Sorry, I just had this image in my head, and I'm calling the mentor, and having like a crisis like I'm a socialist. come the next meeting. My name is Riley and I'm a socialist.
You get a little coin. It's been five
years since I collected capital.
Anyway, so that's like, I guess I'll just move forward with member stack. I think we all agreed to it before even. Yeah, and I'll stick with the word Webflow. Because that will all be on the website instead of it booting you to like members back.com And like making you log in there or something. Yeah, that's all I got for onboarding, I think. What? And then this goes into like the tenant union stuff.
Yeah. Like,
I think for the short term, we need to, like we have our official meetings. But I think since we're all kind of in contact with with each other, we need to just have like, kind of additional meetings. Yeah, that we tell members about and ask everyone to come but like, I'm feeling like lag.
That's, that's the that's kind of what I was hoping the the WhatsApp could do, right is we can basically unofficial meetings where we just shoot out a message everybody like, Hey, if you're free in an hour, or four hours or tomorrow or whatever, let's get let's get together and work on X, Y, or Z.
Yeah, and I think we'll like we'll keep adding into the calendar. And I know not everyone is in the WhatsApp. So I think in our upcoming email, we should email people about the WhatsApp. Alright, I guess I should do like tasks to do.
Oops. It's not what I wanted.
But for the tenant union campaign. I feel like these are kind of like our upcoming priorities for like us actually. Wrap up and start doing stuff. Yes. For like the educational committee. Once our next meeting for that, that I think it's Friday, this Friday, I believe so yes, yes. Okay. Great, great timing. So we actually need to like formalize kind of like reading list, like you were saying, I think we do. So like a lot of the stuff on there. It was like everything I've seen, like anything I could see about it. But there are definitely articles where, you know, if you look at the feedback that like the tenant unions, or like the socialist Senate unions, talk about the article. They're like, what, like the latest one I saw was like, Never send us a liberal to do a socialist job. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I think the tenant union failed. cuz it was all like on the back of one person. And they're doing like one building at a time. And their conclusion was, look, this was really hard. I think we need to pass like state level legislation first before we move forward or something. And it was like, what this was totally the wrong lesson to like, take away, right like, because they felt like the Power Base was sown in legislation and not in the ability of tenants to strike and like withhold rent, right? Like, that's the real power that you have as tenant. So like, we got to be careful about what these articles are. But I was thinking, you know, in our reading list, we can put together like a reader of like, Here's the article, here's our, like, consensus, thought about it, and like the why it's important to read it. So maybe we do show people like an article that maybe is pro nonprofit, and then we critique it. And like, we can talk about the failings of like, the nonprofit model or whatever. You know, like, we got to design and I feel like that should be kind of the educational committee space, of like, we're not just here to read, but we're actually here to, like, put together,
that's what Well, that's one of the reasons I wanted to get a meeting together is because I can't be like, you know, you and I, we write something on our own, it doesn't really represent the organization or, like, you know, yeah, and
we and we are, we have our own politics and stuff that not everyone is gonna agree with. But um, and then like, if we get something solid in like, the next six months, we can even, like, get it printed. And like, it's under $2, for a booklet like paper bound booklet, or softback booklet. And I know if we order more, it's gonna be even cheaper. So we can get that stuff printed. And then, you know, whenever people join as like, join, if people are joining the tenant Union at that point, that's something we can like hand out to folks instead of asking them to, like download a PDF or something. But we'd like that we need to do that one. Also, just for ourselves, I think we well, we do have kind of an idea of what we think about or kind of union politics. Like, I think we need to read a lot more to really solidify, like, our own kind of ideology behind this. Yeah, yeah. And I feel like that that's kind of like independent study. So I, you know, I think if we can get a list of things like, top 10 things to read, or five things to read before the educational committee meeting, maybe we can email that out. Also, that like too much like five articles, like now,
I feel like I feel I don't think anyone's gonna read five articles. Like if we can whittle it down to like, two or three, that'd probably be better, but
okay, typically articles to read, or by this educational meeting. Or we focus on TV stuff. Okay. So some that out.
Tomorrow, they're themed, maybe have like, three primary and then a couple backup.
Okay. Well, the communist caucus have like three beginner articles and two more advanced, so maybe you'd be like, oh, yeah, three beginners, and then we can list it to advance.
That'd be good. Yeah. Okay.
And then people can bring it up, if it's irrelevant, or, you know, if someone didn't read it, though, whatever.
Yeah. And then as like additional work, we also just need to like, because I have a bunch of YouTube links, of like, you know, them doing tenant organizing, like trainings. And they'll do the whole thing of like, ask questions, like, how I was saying, like, he went to the other meeting that we all missed. Do want to talk a little bit about it. Like what they talked about?
Yeah. So that, that was just
them talking about how they, as union go back to like, the tenant associations, the TAs and like, sit down, and like small groups, like maybe like, three to five people, and then ask questions about, like, what they're facing right now their conditions, and then try to get as much information as possible to bring back to the union and then, you know, hopefully help inform the work that they do. And so they were like, talking about how like, it's a lot of like, trial and error, like no one taught them how to, like, conduct these interviews, and sort of just lessons on how to actually, like, get that information out of people like, like, you don't want like questions that are too complicated, because then they just won't know how to process it. And then if you're recording these videos, you may not want it to go on for like an hour or two, because then you're gonna have to like review that. And that's going to be like really laborious. So just keep that in mind when you do those interviews, and then a whole bunch of other stuff, which I'll type up and then I'll share it with the group.
Okay. Yeah, but so there's like a lot of YouTube videos of other meetings like that. And I feel like we need to just divvy up that work and like, watch a bunch of them and take notes, and then bring it back to everyone. So there's also like, there's that and And that's for like strategies like stuff like that was talking about. And maybe we can filter it by, like, we're not there yet. Like, we don't have to introduce associations, so we can put it off, like other videos, but actions on like how to organize just how to approach a building like that kind of stuff. You need feedback from other people, because why try to do something, you know, all on our own, when we can just spend like a week to like, see how other are a couple of weeks and see how everyone else has done it and like, what works and what doesn't. And then there's the much more harder process of like getting that total list of like, Where were all the tenant complaints happening? Were the eviction notices happening, like, Who do we talk to, to get all that info? And like, Who do we talk to to get more information about who owns certain properties, like we do have access to that website. But it was honestly only telling us who the landlord of each unit was in like the resident. And you can also kind of see what other properties that landlord has. But it was, you know, the other stuff of but it's like all locked into that app, you know, we can't pull it out into an excel sheet. And the other stuff, like the complaints and eviction notices and stuff isn't there. So and then we also need to like develop that survey, there is one example survey in that Google Doc that I shared. And I'll post a Google doc online on the I meant to make a thread about it, and then never did. Like use a survey to kind of flush out one of our own that we can print out. And then yeah, we need like a tenant union handbook that just has like kind of the your rights as a tenant person. So we have all these tasks. I guess my question is, like, how best do we divvy this stuff out? Like, we can't only do these things at meetings, I think we need kind of like a, you know, asynchronous work ethic here between all of us. So we can all just kind of pitch in where we can and then also be able to see kind of where other people have left off. So we're not doubling casts or anything. So how, how should we go about doing that? Like, it's, I think we need whatever way we do it then needs to be followed up with like, yes, email, but then we need to like contact the people we know. And be like, Hey, here's a list. Can you work on one of these, like this week?
Yeah. I mean, so as far as like, keeping in touch with each other to make sure that we don't duplicate, it would be good if we were all working on basically the same documents. Like we're all in one place. I Google Docs probably works for them. I'm not 100% Sure. Like, they do all the updates automatically, right. Yeah. Okay. We should. Yeah, we should all working on it.
Yeah, I guess we can make it infinitely long Google Doc or something.
Yeah. Start on the page and have a topic.
Yeah, like, because, like, the way, the way I've been doing it is just making, like a single document per like, thing that I'm doing. But maybe what we should do is have like a master list that just has links to all of the other documents that, you know, by like subject lately, you know, it's like, here's the tenant union stuff. And then here's the what, you know, the regular unions, you know what I mean?
Yeah, you can make like a header section, like Table of Contents, you know? Yes. And as long as everyone puts a header on top of their section, you can drop down to it. So it's more organized. Yeah. But yeah, I guess. I mean, there are other programs. But at this point, I'm like, we have to operate without anyone using any new piece of software. It's too high of a barrier, we have to stick with the magical box.
Although I will eat it as much as I will say Google Docs is good. Or as much as I've heard people say that don't use Google Docs. I'm gonna say fuck it. Let's see.
Sir Robbie. Yeah, good.
I was just gonna say Yeah, so I lost my train of thought. I'm sorry. Oh, so for what we're talking about. Are you talking about like for organization wide things? Or like for the education committee for the should the chairman of that be like responsible for saying, Okay, this committee, what are you doing? Do this, you know, that would be the point person and to connect on? Who needs what I'm what
I mean, this would be me, I guess, because it's for the focus campaign. I think Riley's would be like the actual
Yeah, I'm far more reading list. Yeah, that kind of stuff. Yeah, we can like split if we can, like set out as like a list of tasks. And then you know, like, set say, we need to have this like, at least like a state, you know, allocated to by, you know, the end of the week or next week or whatever. Yeah, that would be good. Now we
can have a table or something. And then and you can sign up for something
new and also it would also be good if we get his hat. Sorry pal going,
Oh, okay. But yeah, I think for me personally like I, I, I like getting like the direct asks from like someone to like, because otherwise like, I'll just put shit off and I just, I just won't do it like and I'll see that document and I'll be like, okay, no one else is I'm not I'm not gonna say,
Yeah, I think what we need to Yeah, we need to be direct with her like, and there is like so much like how do we prioritize this, like personally getting the evict book stuff is or at least finding out where the complaints and eviction notices are is important for like us finding our next building. Unless Sam, like comes back or we get like that other guy like we don't have a good source of like, where to go. And the like, that's number like these two are number one, because that's like how we move forward. Right? I think putting together the handbook on actual tenant like rules, we can take a lot from the other people. Yeah, I that's what I mostly mean. But it's not. Yeah. And it's not really something that you go to like tenants. Like it's not something you need to know, right? I think you need to know kind of the basics as a tenant, what can be done and what can't be done as you're knocking on doors, but you don't know the details. And then the survey is just a page wherever. And then I think this will be a work in progress for like the next several months, as we do a lot of reading on Earth.
It would be good if we could. So like, say it's the Education Committee won't like at the education committee gets together, we make a list of the things we need to get done, right. And we put it in a like a document or whatever. And if there's extra tasks that haven't been assigned, like less lower priority ones, people should just be able to come in and go, Hey, this is I'm taking this task. That way. If we have extra time or whatever, we can just come in and take it without being assigned them necessarily.
Yeah, you're right. We need some way to like set like, yeah, that's the problem with the Google Sheet. Strategy is like you're very siloed in each sheet at that point. So I don't know,
we can work on that later. But for now, let's just do it the Yeah, that's fine.
Well, that seems like where it comes in. The chairperson, you know, you say, Oh,
this looks need to be done. Oh, yeah, that's been done or whatever you check in
for either win or something.
Okay, and then for,
just take it and get it done.
Yeah, and I mean, I guess we should be delegating as much as possible. So I was for the 24th. We ever canvassing for the TCU. I, it will be like a month at that point since we last canvass I think. Yeah. So I don't think we should put it off. But I was thinking, we could just go back like with the survey, and just say, Hey, we're blah, blah, we're interested in your tenant union stuff. Here's like a sheet. Like, let us know. And then it doesn't have a convenient date or something is asking for like feedback. Like, maybe we can just go do that and try to talk to people, and then hit up the people that we talked to before. But at the same neighborhood. Yeah. Like, you know, at least let's not abandon it. We should at least do due diligence. So we can, we can do that this Thursday. And then, even if we're still kind of like figuring out what the fuck we're doing, I think that's fine. Very to show up. And then I can also give everyone their shirts. And then the educational committee. Yeah, so the cage committee, that'll be on Friday. And then we have our stock with you know, we haven't picked a park yet. Do we have a park? You know, iannetta Park picked out?
Yeah, he did. I need to message him. He said he sent it a while ago, so I don't think I have it pulled up. There's something there is Legion. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Legion was the big one. That one's huge. Anyway, that was the one Yeah, he got like requests for I'm gonna message him again and see if he has a list. Okay.
So maybe nation parks cleaned up. Alright. And then we have our general meeting. That is online only. And, and then was it the the Tuesday or Wednesday? That was the tabling Tuesday, I believe. You say? Yeah, okay. He's a cabling so I asked the guy I asked the printer for like A tablecover. And they said they can do that. It's like it crepes over on all four sides, and it's actually 100% printable, like, you can print on the whole thing. So, you know, we can have WC on the front, and like, on the sides, I guess for the website. We put whatever we want on the on it, I'm gonna make a post in the thread and just kind of get design ideas. I guess let's make a yellow. And then we need kind of like a, we need a flyer to hand out for at the tabling. So we got to put something together there. And then yeah, okay, so get Tuesday tabling sign up and the email. But I still have to email delta and ask if you can do it, but better to get sign up for help and then canceled and not say anything until delta gets back to us, I think. Okay. And then do we want to do? Uh, yeah, that's that. That's an event. So then like the last week of August slash the first week of September? We don't in the second week of September, like we don't have any events really planned out, even like social ones. Wait, there's one thing. Whitney says they're having a luncheon in tarrlok. On Labor Day. And so we're all for Labor Day. There's like a luncheon link for meeting with DSA in North Central Valley.
Sorry. Sorry, what do you think, Chris?
Oh, my bad we should we get taken out? So I don't know. It's I mean, I don't know if it'll lead anywhere. But it may be interesting to just see what's going on.
Yeah, I mean, I think we should at least be friendly with the local. So I did talk to her for like an hour. Last week. They sort of she said that their DSA chapter was pretty like, Democratic Party aligned. And not great. And her and her husband, like a few other people came in and like took over. And she feels I think she's more aligned with us than she is with like the Democratic Party or like progressives, who are best friends with Democrats. So that's good. And the why DSA person is actually so when the UC when the UCS were having like that contract negotiation. Recently, the was actually like it was a bad contract for people for like a lot of folks and probably should have been voted down. But the union kind of disliked rah rah through them like even DSA was kind of just on the side of like the business union type of actors instead of being on the side of the actual rank and file. But the guy from why DSA from Merced, he got all of UC Merced to vote now or like, majority vote on that on the contract. So like, it seems like people that are more aligned on our side, I don't know about PSL I like they're not officially even a part of it yet. She's still trying to hear back from them. They may not want to be. So we'll see. If they aren't, then maybe, you know, we can do more of a parody, you know, on the on the committee. But it just has to be five people. And the way it was described to me was, yeah, like, there's I don't think there's any, like you guys have to do this thing. Like if the majority of the committee agrees on it. It's just everyone, especially the PSL doesn't join then everyone kind of has their little territory. Because they're mostly big and Stanislaus, then versus, like, Why do you say as Merced and we'd be up here, and we would like least take turns with, like, the whole committee going to like Amazon and Stanislaus or something and handing out flyers and then someone coming up to like, I don't know, impresa or something and like, trying to unionize that, like, the committee would travel. But outside of that, there's no other obligation really. And then if someone does take up the offer of like, hey, help us unionize. And you know, if it's impresso, like we'd handle it, if it's down there, they'd handle it, you know, like everyone kind of handles it on their own. So there's not a lot of like stepping on Pelzer anything, it's more just, let's all work together to try to like, get union people to unionize. But again, that's like, it would be a like side request up until someone asks for help. And then it becomes a much more bigger, like burden on the on the group. And so I think at that point, we'd have to decide like, can we do we have the bandwidth for this? I don't imagine anyone taking us up on the offer, like anytime soon. So I wouldn't really worry. And I think for now, it's a good way to like network. So yeah, I agree with that. Although I think I feel like they underestimate how long of a drive it is from like, load it down to like, per se, why isn't it
pretty long?
Why isn't it remote?
Well, no, the meeting like if you're handing out flyers, like they want everyone to go hand out the flyers in an area. Yeah, the meetings that are probably, I think those are like the once a month meeting, there's no other meeting outside of that. So it's pretty like low, low, low effort. Besides, it's like drive. That may be like an hour. But yeah, we'll leave it up to members to decide. But just wanted to give you guys a heads up. So you can also think about it.
They have a lot of members over there. I don't know. Yeah.
I don't know. I think what they said they they don't I shouldn't give me exact numbers. You know, these are always the secrets that you can think they said they grew by a bit after they put out like, I guess like the bad signal is up that we're not Democrats anymore. That they like, got a few members, like come back after that. So I've had an chance to like work on that article about like, fucking a Democrat. But I think if once we put that out, we may also get some more people, but we should get like all the members tech stuff. Ready? And going before we do that? Yeah. Just curious. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. They, I mean, she was like, because we've liked each other's content before, but they never deemed. And she was like, Yeah, that's a shame. Like, you know, one of us or like, one of us from satisfied should reach out to like, the new socialist Oregon area. So yeah, so I think they're, at least they're decent. We're all on the same side. And they're like, their major campaign now was like cow care. She was saying, like, they're doing it because that's who their members like. That's who they have in their membership right now. It's like some union folks. And like, that's what their capacity is. And not to like lobby Democrats. But to put out a petition saying, don't I pledge to not vote for Democrat that is not supporting cow care? Which is where it started. Yeah. Which is the I know, Chicago. DSA did it. And people were so upset at them. How like, you know, because it's always like, you can ask Democrats for things, but never ever withhold your vote. And so you know that with why
would you not withhold your vote? That's the only power you have over five Socratic way.
It's the progressives who are Democrats. Yeah, yeah. But anyways, yeah, I think, like, we this month has been a little slow. And that's my bad. I've been busy, but I think
I guess I think it's kind of all of us. I feel bad.
So yeah, I think we do need to wrap up on the meeting. So I don't want like, we're a month into the tenant union. I think, now that this will be the first month that will have officially like voted for the tenant union campaign. And like, you know, it only lasts for six months, until we have to reinforce so you have five more months. And you know, I don't want it to be like another two months of us is kind of languishing on it. Because it will take
it turns left. We got to do something.
Right. And then we're doing stupid stuff. Because yeah, yeah, I don't want to do that either. So I think Skillshare Oh, yeah. Do you wanna talk about it?
Yeah, I was just gonna invite you know, WC you members over because we have talked previously like about skill sharing, as you know, a way to like build community and I was gonna invite like everyone over to like learn a baking recipe. And I was just wondering if you know, September 9, or 10th work for anyone
let's see what is the night
they're both weekends. September 9 Is the Saturday and September 10
is a Sunday when what time
um, I hadn't picked out a time but like, you know, since we didn't have any like social events, I was thinking like, it could be a Skill Share, and then you guys can just hang out whatever afterwards and have like drinks or whatever.
Yeah, the ninth or 10th Works for me the I'm pretty sure on the ninth in the evening I have something to do though. But other than that, yeah,
you're trying to attend the evening. Probably better.
Okay. So do you is the time? What do you guys think of like evening like 5pm 6pm?
Five felt good?
Yeah. Okay.
So September 10, Scotia event on August 8 From noon hour after. Okay. But um, okay, let's see on our little calendar. So we got the first weekend of first October 1 weekend, September 30. And do we want to do anything like that? Thursday, Friday, Saturday like even if it's like, Go group bowling or something? I don't know what is there to hear? I'm not a social person.
Open a new bowling alley and load I
see that. Do you think that's gonna be busy? Stop?
Yeah, probably. I wouldn't plan on going there yet just yet.
Should we go to Stockton one since everyone will be ditching it? Well, I don't know what else is there? What do you do for fun? I'm like a workaholic. So
like I'm in I make music
socially. Socially. I mean social live streaming Yeah, I'm going on I
bring people into my room. But I do it
Sorry, what was that Robin go ahead Robbie. Sorry.
No, I just said Yeah, concert in hypnosis is room
yeah
we'll do a little rain
Yeah, I mean, it's or like to show or something like honestly whatever. Like I think we need Oh, there might be at least one Skill Share or fun event.
Wait, there might actually be
I know there's the fall of summer but that's next. I can't keep track of things anymore.
I wanted to do a game night or anything. movie or something?
Sorry the what?
The whole if we ever wanted to have an event there yeah.
Oh yeah, we could do a movie night and then be lame and watch like something that makes you cry about you know, Palestinian deaths.
We could play we can play coup, which is a it's a card game about lying. It's like a social deduction. It's kind of like poker slash social deduction. Yeah. Social deduction.
We can do that we can do. We can do board Night Slash. Should we have like dedicated board night flush Movie Night? Like once a month? for funsies? Yeah, cool.
I'm trying to figure out what patch so part of the fun shows. There's a show on August 18. That already happened
we could also do like, like the hiking activity or something. I don't know if people want to do that. So fucking hot.
August 30. There's like an open mic night hatch.
Hiking sounds like death right now. I literally might die.
So hot. I like the idea of hiking. Yeah.
Yeah, maybe the end of September.
The end of hell month.
I think in the winter in the summer or something.
Yeah, Pat, there be more events. I'm actually not seeing any. Yeah, what happened?
I thought Wildwood had like concerts pretty frequently but their thing says that they don't have concerts for some reason. Even though I know for a fact that they had one last night or wait, no, not last night the night before last? Did they did they not have their concerts like listed? And they also I know they also have like stand up comedy. And that has the double benefit of being good organizing to talking about the skate shop. Yeah, the skate shop in Lodi. They have concerts and they have stand up comics and stuff
and they were having the last shows I actually haven't seen because my friends do the elbow drop booking so they have like I'm trying to see if they have anything on there selling tickets sold at a tickets
my their links don't work either their websites broken as fuck.
Yeah, it's hard to that's all these things are all just DIY so they're all just slapped together. She's Instagram.
Yeah, I was wondering maybe they just do like Last minute, things that you have to just be in the know to, like, actually get in.
I could. Yeah, I'll try and be better about giving up on it. I just haven't been the past two weeks. So I need to. But I know Ian's going out of town. So I don't think cash is going to book anything. And I think elbow drop isn't gonna book anything probably either, because B is going out of town. So
do we want to do like a board night or something?
Yes. Let's just do it. Let's do a board game. Let's do something like that. Or a movie night?
Let's do a board game. It's more interactive. All right. Should we pick like, Thursday? Or should we climb another Thursday? Or do weekend? For what? Like a board game night? So in terms of like events that we have, we don't have anything. The last week of September, and the first week of October? Yeah, until like the weekend. And Labor Day is like that thing with VCU North Valley. So do we want to do like the I don't know this upcoming weekend with the 38th on the first
Winter Park cleanup. Where did that go? Oh, yeah. Wait, I'm sorry. I'm looking at the wrong weekend. My bed. I'm all the way in October. Okay, so the cleanup is this weekend? Yeah. And so yeah, the year we have the sorry, the second or third weekend that we don't have anything. So the microphone attempt will be the Skull. Skull of Apollo's second and third quarter like Friday. I don't know when do people want to do coordinate? Um, we need a board game.
Friday nights. I have band practice.
I feel like Friday night is usually when it's not to Friday night.
Friday and Saturday are hard. Thursday or Sunday are probably better.
Sunday would be easier for me for sure. Yeah. Thursday kind of overlaps with both meet up like both of our meetings. I know it depends on what time
Yeah. Okay, Sunday let's do Sunday evening. Five o'clock. Six o'clock. We can pick and bring food dinner and board games. Sure. Okay, September 3 and board games
when we put up a notice for the August or open mic night that we're going other people wanted to um, okay. What they prefer third? Yeah, Sunday
what's the day for the open mic night that you were mentioning?
August 30.
Whoever is that going to be? At workshop? Okay, so we're at or our but um, anyone else have anything? Oh, we gotta go to Chris. We gotta go to Uncle credit union sometime. Yeah, yeah. Agree with uncle. I don't know, whenever you're free, like around lunch or something? I don't know. When are you free? But whenever, honestly, yeah,
I need to I need to find a day when school is not fucking nuts. Dead. The education is absolutely a disaster right now. Like a day off?
I know. I hear we're okay. We just talked about it later. But,
ya know, we'll figure it out.
Okay, anyone else got anything? Yeah, I think this is just more like process.
Nothing for the steering committee, at least just kind of like specifics for Yeah, education stuff. So
I think I think at this point, the, this is where the steering committee is supposed to. I mean, this is our role, right? We have to do the grunt work of like actually implementing all these systems and stuff. So yeah, sir. Responsibility. And then, yeah, that's about it. I think. There is general interest in like the labor stuff from a few other parents that I talked to. But that can be dealt with later. And then And then yeah, I think that's how we We got to like, recruit, I guess. But that also comes after our second one. I want to finish my project tonight. That's what I'm doing today. Okay, because I think we I think we can I think we can get member members even if we don't have a bank associated with it. Because I'll just sit in like member stacks funds and won't get deposited maybe somewhere we can start collecting dues and is our balance on there? Maybe unless they're like stripe in which case they directly deposited disappearance. No, like in they'll need a bank account or something which case okay, well, wait, but yeah. Okay. And then. All right, we need to I mean,
like are, obviously the sooner that we can start collecting dues the sooner we'll see like legitimate organization, which will be good. So,
yeah. And then, oh, I was gonna say update your contact info the org, but that will use as an en su once you make an account, when understand, that's fine. Alrighty. We're at an hour, we only started 53 or 57 minutes ago. So I think, for the first time ever, we're ending the meeting before an hour. Yay. Okay, yeah, that's all I got. Yeah, sorry. It's been busy. I think the bad month.
Next month will be better. Yep.
Yep. Next month will be better. And then we'll find we got to I got to reach out to like, Sam again. And the other dude that I know about a possible location. Yeah, because because, yeah, that would be great. If construct that way. That way. We can also kind of skip the research part. For the lengthy. What was that eviction book? About? Yeah. evict book? Yeah, like, we don't need that kind of research. If we already have a place with a tenant living there would be nice. Yeah.
Well, we we still might need some of it. But yeah, we wouldn't definitely wouldn't need nearly as much for sure. Yeah.
Oh, and I didn't get a nice theme for our newspaper. Blog. It's it's not up because there's nothing to post. But yeah.
All right. Yeah.
I got nothing else unless he's got
some questions. When we're done.
Okay, done. Okay, cool. Hey, Robert says Done. Robert will say done. There we go.
Okay, so as far as the recordings, yeah, this Yeah. Okay. We're doing a impromptu education slash membership for five minutes. Okay, cool. As far as the tenant union survey and handbook, like what do we need to be putting on that? I don't know. I've been I've been kinda like half listening and like doing research trying to figure out what we're going to put in it. So
like, there is an example survey and like Google Doc, I went around, okay, cool. Yeah. And but obviously, you know, it's a, as we knock on doors, we learn more about what people like we want to track. So come with that. Okay. The handbook, I would say, like lot twos and a tunes like handbooks that they have, like their guidance they have online. That's what we need. I think a lot of it is we can copy paste, but we gotta like, like I said before, like there's some stuff that's la specific. Yeah, some stuff that is like Stockton, Lodi, blah, blah, blah, specific. That's
what I was doing with the membership handbook. I was going through the DSA. Cleveland. Yeah, yeah. I was going through their handbook and a couple other DSA handbooks and just kind of like replacing the DSA with W cu and getting rid of everything that was in California or like specific to us basically. Yeah.
So there are a few like housing nonprofit people I know where can talk to you about that. See, like if they spot stuff that's wrong. Okay, cool. But that will like that also kind of gives us so actually can I get Chris was it was a Sam the web guy. What was his name?
Oh, Alex,
Alex. Yeah, sorry. No, was it Alex? Isn't Alex The tall guy?
Yeah, what's funny? Oh, Dennis. Dennis.
Yeah, is can I get his number later?
Yeah, yeah, I'll let them know I'll see. He walked into the meeting like 15 minutes down the hills I'm hoping we can if you do Yeah, more like like board games and stuff. He'll be here more we'll get more people.
What is it with socialist and I swear to God, all of them love nerd games. I love them because they are they all everyone?
Nerds. They're all in their beam Taylor's back we want to go hiking and We can we want to and we want to play board games. Like every lefty Tinder profile, what do you do? I like going hiking and playing board. True.
Yeah, I do love board games though.
Yeah. And I love to travel. Even though I've only been able to afford to go traveling. Like once in the last decade, I'm still going to write it.
I've never traveled an adult. I went a lot of places when I was a kid. So I guess that balances out?
Yeah, at the same time.
But yeah, I mean, I I mean, I like wanted to do more sports stuff. I don't know what people are comfortable doing. Like, you know, pickup soccer game or basketball or something. But it's still hot.
It is. Yeah. Actually, like, there used to be at least in Lodi I know about I don't know about Stockton there used to be a like what the fuck was like a soccer like a a week cobbled together Soccer League. Yeah, yeah. And I don't like I think that the issue was it was sponsored by businesses. So it'd be hilarious if we sponsor a soccer team to play. Well,
I mean, I've wanted us to like sponsor or like organize your own V because right like I think that's eventually Yeah, once you get enough people, but it would be hilarious now to like, go with WC U shirts. have like an capitalise on the back. And
I find that very fun. Yeah, yeah. Okay. But,
yeah, I mean, honestly, I don't think we should wait for these meetings, like organize events. I think if someone wants to do something, just like, say it somewhere in the WhatsApp group posted on the forum. And I'll start
typing there. I'll start posting the event because that's my friends do the booking the DIY booking so we can at least go to shows. I don't. I don't know if you guys like hardcore music. Even if you don't though. It's still good environment. They have other stuff. Oh,
do you not wait, do you? Did you go to the one in Wildwood yesterday? Or?
No, I missed it. I was it. Did you go?
No, my friend. My. I know a bunch of the I know a bunch of those people, or I know people who know those people. So
that would be a good spot to like I said the campus because like you were saying I should say because what's
okay, my my here's my issue, right. And the thing that actually does make going there really good is that the Hardcore scene has a lot of Fashi kind of shit going on it? Oh, yeah. But they also believe a lot of the same things that we believe about, like economics wise, right? And like, we might might be able to steer them in a more better direction, maybe.
I think if they're willing to participate outside of, you know, the structured scene, which I feel like there are people who are outside of it that feel like they want something to do to attend and organize. I know a lot of them are in shitty living situations. So it'd be nice to have them. I know one of them for sure is yeah. Nice to have them. Talk to us about that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. That Trump video was, was pretty great. Which one? That one you posted that Trump supporters? Oh, where they were basically, like, economically at least aligned. Like maybe not with like, left wing stuff. But definitely like Poppy was like anti monopoly stuff, which sometimes you have to talk to people like, you know, halfway there. You can't just be like, Well, I don't really care about anti monopoly because I want socialism. They like Well, that's where they're right now. They're just talking about that to just get there.
So that's pretty socialist anti monopoly shit is socialism. Yeah, no,
it's uh, it's I have been weird, like the DSA. So they elected some left leaders, right. But now it feels like online at least they're they've like swung so far in the other direction. I'm like, you're no longer appeal. Like, it's weird to like normal people now. You know, which a lot of the right wing ideas they was like, so focused on like, be a Normie be an army, be an army. And like, don't even try to be radical politics. But now it's like swung in the other direction or like they want to do radical politics. But they're being weird about it. So like, why can't you just find a nice balance place?
Alright, yeah, they want to bait and hook with like abortion. It will probably work with the election with the general election. So like, that kind of stuff does worse. Yeah. And then it's like, but we also want to do we're gonna be sneaky. And it's like, that's not what people think people just want to be able to afford to live.
man Yeah. And a whole conversation with my boss today about exactly that topic. They like shit tons of normal people. They hate the like, deceitful part of politics, and they just want shit to be straightforward. That's all they want.
No, I mean, that's like the essays problem now it's like they so like even the left the NPC, their leadership now is like more left wing. The activities of endorsed doing was like, run like socialist for school board, which I'm like, You guys are not competent enough to run people for school board. Like, and then fight on the abortion access stuff like whenever there's a ballot initiative for abortion access or protecting abortion, access, like fight for it, but I'm like, You're just tailing the Democrats. Like, if I told someone I'm trying to vote for better school board elections, and I'm fighting for abortion access, oh, and then the other thing we endorsed was fight the right. Like, wherever they are, like fight the right argument what that means. Other than voting for Democrats, like, like, all these things, like if I told you I'm doing those three things, you'd be like, obviously, you're Democrat. Right? But they're like, oh, no, no, we'll talk about it. In a socialist the way though, and I'm like, it doesn't matter. Because if you're in a coalition, like the Ohio, resolution one or whatever, like DSA is taking like all this credit for it. And I'm like, how, like, you weren't in that coalition. Like it wasn't like you put up the ballot initiative. And then you said, hey, the Democrats fucked you and like, let you down on Roe v. Wade, they never cared about it. They always use it as a wedge issue for voting. And that's why it got taken away now. Like, they're not going to help you. So join us and get this ballot initiative. Like, that's not what DSA does, because you're gonna get a lot of, because then potentially, the ballot initiative goes down, right? Because a lot of Democrats gonna be like, Fuck you, like, we're not even gonna vote for it. Because we don't like that you're attacking Democrats, or a lot of the people who would be getting out the vote for like a won't, because it's associated with something that they don't like. And like DSA isn't willing to risk that, like, You got to be able to risk that L to like, show how independent you are from the Democrats, like you are this other thing. That's very straightforward. We're only talking about this, and we want to make your life better. And we're not the fucking Democrats. Like we're telling you how they fuck you. So we need a broader coalition to pass it. But DSA doesn't want to do that, you know, they want to run as Democrats for school board, etc. Now, the
problem is that they're risk averse, right? And they bear realize that politics is all about, like, taking massive risk, because no one no one fucking remembers when you make mistake, nobody cares. All they care about is when you succeed.
Yeah, and this way, they just get like, absorbed into the Democrats. And like, even for school board, I'm like, You guys are honestly gonna have to fucking over trans people. Because you have no idea what it means like, like, at the city level, I feel the school, like a school board and like the school budget is much more complicated than the school or the city budget. Sure, yeah. And, like, you have no idea what's going on. Right? And like, you're just running on, like, I want to protect trans people, okay, you can run, you can win, you can do that all the parents that we're going to be upset anyways, because the school sucks are now going to be like, we you're like fucking all of our kids. So like, protect this one group. So we're gonna start blaming that one group. And like, you're gonna fucking things over. Right. And so because DSA has no training on, like, how to be a good school board member, like what the school board budget is, or anything like that. Answer is gonna be at the mercy of the CBO and the super, because that's what it is now. And like, but they're just like, I don't know, like, whatever cultural issues that Democrats and Republicans are fighting in, DSA jumps in, and it's like, don't worry, we're not Democrats. We're super Democrats. Like, that's all they do. They
kind of are. Yeah.
You know, it's like, that's how we'll be different from there. Yeah, flip it. SBA, SBA, super Democrats of America, super
Democrats.
But anyways, it's like, yeah,
I think the American super Democrats. Yeah.
We have to avoid doing that. I think like going forward, it adds,
I mean, like, Yeah, I agree. But that's easier said than done. Yeah. Yeah. And like, it is really easy to fall into that trap.
Yeah. And, you know, I think, so far, like, we aren't really that well known. We're kind of just like a little Ducati Park cleanup group. But I think we do need to like moving forward. I mean, like you were saying about also having stuff about local politics, like part of that is just, let's talk about both sides, actually. So
yeah. Okay. Wait, did you see the thing I posted? I think that was today, right? About part of the education things we need to like, give you about what's going on here because people are so focused on national politics, that it kind of washes out local. And, like National is important for like getting people activated or whatever, but local politics is you know, like it don't know what's going on. They're gonna get led astray very easily.
I tried to do it. But I do try I've tried it I've reread dissolution
what we need is five of you doing one quarter of the work that you're doing.
I when I had a job that I hated that was a lot easier
so that way we get 1.5 FTE do
ya? Yeah it's just it's wild to see the holes get filled by these like by understandable it but it's like always some organizations city organization that's like filling the hole that's like we're gonna do this and then like that works but also you're not independent you're just saying what the city wants you to say.
This exact conversation Holy shit, okay. Repeating was like I straight up I am i i am really bad about taking risks at work when it comes to talking to people about politics, but I can't help myself. So yeah, I had that exact conversation with somebody at work today. Like right in front of my boss, which was real fun, which started another conversation with my boss but politics actually motherfucker is very amenable to our politics so I'm hoping I can convince him to because that he basically organize an entire business from the ground up right and so like, he might be more capitalist than he's letting on but he also has the exact skill set that we need so I would like to get that motherfucker on board.
He's gonna have to declare the status of the boss when he joins. This is true you gotta go through a public flogging first
do a little mouse criticism session
Yeah, I've been trying Yeah, it's been it's been very just depressing being like on the left lately. Well, I know forever but it's just like now just watching even more and more people like seriously like the Bernie Kratz the so called Bernie Kratz, and like people who are in our revolution. Or like now, you know, President of the stock San Joaquin County Democrats, and I'm like, This is so embarrassing. Like, what are we doing? It everyone else is getting deactivated. And like you look at what the socialists are doing, and I'm like, You're not doing anything to set yourselves apart at all, like besides a tenant union stuff, and the and to be fair, the also the E talk. Or the walk. Yeah, but yeah, the like, it does sound good. Like yeah, some of the like the UPS stuff is pretty sad that like DSA didn't back the no vote. But you know, they are there's like a Trader Joe's and he's way apparently that didn't get unionized and stuff, but like, even that kind of stuff for the Union stuff. And this is more like the commie caucus literature. But it's like, okay, so we formed a union. So what the fuck, like they're not going to ever recognize it. So what's the point? Right, like going through like this legal structure of like, forming a union? Oh, that's, that's the coolest thing. Yeah, like that was originally designed like the progressives like designed to like neuter, like Fighting Unions, because they're like, Okay, stop fighting, stop causing a ruckus. Please go through the documents and the proper process, you know? Yeah, and unneutered union. So it's like, so moving forward, like, whatever we were trying now, we gotta throw all that shit in the trash. So like, maybe maybe a new union thing is like, we do a whole shopping center, like, what are we actually trying to win? Right, like better? Like, do we need a formal union to win those things? Or can we like unionize the whole shopping center? So no,
we need to continue. This is the syndicalist thing. We need to convince people that the legal union is not what's important. It is the Solidarity union that's important, regardless of whether you have that fucking piece of paper, you're in the union. Right? So
like, if you have a whole shopping center unionize or something? And then like, unofficially, yeah, yeah. And then you can go like shop to shop, like, plus you have community buying at that point, because there's so many people, and then you set standards for like all the workers in that entire shopping center. And you can shut down someone's business because you have, where you can shut down all of their businesses, if one owner is fucking over. And then all the other owners are like, hey, but can you fucking pay people like two bucks more because we're all losing?
Dollars? Right? Well, and also we need to, we need to re instill the concept of slacking off, slowing down and something I'm not gonna say on the recording. Just, you know, like, if we can reinstall those concepts into people like we you'll actually get effective union strikes, right, regardless of whether they're like, official unions or not. Because like American, talking to French people and German people, they think we're the dumbest motherfuckers in the history of the universe, like they look at our unions and are like, why you're not even in a real union. What are you talking about? Yeah, yeah. We Americans really need get their shit together and come to the unions.
Yeah, sorry. I
got off a little tangent there.
Um, yeah, it's a That's so like, you know, it's whatever we're doing. It's like we got to reimagine what we're doing. And part of that, and also, we were talking about before you hopped on prints, because it's like the, like we were, I like we know some people who got like, basically held hostage in their own house and like, got robbed. I know, it was, it was like, my, like three kids, you know, threes getting worse. I know. And like, apparently, they like beat up like four year old, like, a few days before that. I forgot. Like, because they were trying to rob the house, and that house had no money in it. So they took it out on the kid. You know, it's like, so how do you like actually deal with this stuff? And it's like, yeah, just like, trying to build social cohesion, right? It's like an impossible task at this point. But like, you can't do any of that stuff. Like people aren't police alternatives. It doesn't work unless you have social cohesion. Yeah. And, you know, there's just, I don't know, I don't know if we should be, like, I don't know how you spread this stuff. Like you write about it. Like just to get other people thinking about it.
Literally. Okay, the whole conversation I had with my boss today was about this exact fucking subject of getting like he's so he said, the reason that he doesn't engage in politics is because he feels like he's in the minority of educated people who think that they we should do good things, right? And he thinks like, you can't trust anybody else to do politics. And I'm like, motherfucker, you're in the majority. Like you. You're the ones. Yeah, exactly. Right. That's exactly the problem. And I was like, I'm like, Look, just go out and do an hour of whatever kind of contribution to politics that you can think of, right? It doesn't matter if it's feeding people, housing, people, whatever, just go out. And do people don't
see that as politics. I know, like, like, it's a double thing of like, I want to do politics, let me go volunteer for the local Democratic Party. And then depending on your local Democratic Party, either they just like tell you to fuck off, because they're like, We don't care. Like your politics isn't welcome here. Or they're completely incompetent. Or they
are they don't, or they don't have the manpower to assign you to work, right?
Or if they do, they are doing like, stupid, busy work, right. Like you're updating voter files or something. Yeah, you're not actually engaging in real politics. So yeah, maybe, maybe that's
maybe. Okay, so like, I feel like, that's the kind of we need to Okay, so the education wise, for community outreach, the program basically needs to be not it, we need to find a way of like getting to people where they're receptive to what we're saying, right? So that we can give them this this message of like solidarity, right? It because we can't go knock on their door and be like, Hey, would you like to hear about Jehovah's, I mean, the socialists, right? Like, they're not, they're not gonna give a shit about that, right? So if we can, if there's someplace else that we can find them, where they're going to be open to the idea that everyone in their community, or most people in our community are on their side, and want to, like, fix the same kind of problems they want to fix. Like, the union is like the traditional place, but we don't even have those at the moment. Right? So we would, we need to find some other like entry point. I feel like the traditional places that people would have engaged with these kinds of things like, you know, the Elks Lodge, or the grocery store, or the water, people just don't talk to each other in those places anymore. So I don't really know what that vector is. But we that's the thing we need to like, identify as, like where it is that we can get them. Yeah, that sounds so much scarier when I said, vector. Yeah,
I like that.
Um, I mean, churches would be a good probably a good start. But I feel like there's probably a lot of left wing churches out there too.
I think a lot of them are more left wing than they lead on. I think a bunch of religion is contingent on right wing ideology, this so they think they're right wing. I don't everyone thinks they're like a libertarian. And I think part of is to justify not helping people.
Yeah, that's yeah. But that
might just be the the impression I'm getting at this point. I don't know. I think things could get better.
I don't know. Well, if we didn't, if we didn't all believe things give me better. We wouldn't be here doing that is true.
I think things can get better. I don't know how peacefully like, I'm done. I'm done thinking recording. It's like, I'm done thinking we're gonna vote our way into socialism. So it's, Oh, yeah. You know, so it's like, how, how are people really going to give up power?
You got it? Yes. You gotta get in the streets to do that shit. Well, I'm
like, I'm like if we couldn't even unionize without violence in the past, like, how are we going to get anything else like there's gonna be violence?
Oh, no, I, I legitimately think that if Americans started unionizing, like for real, like we started forming solidarity unions and not going through the books there would be like, it wouldn't be massacres, like It wasn't the 20s and 30s. Right for the teens or whatever. But it would be police coming in like kicking, you know, Oh, yeah. Yeah, but like doing arrest and stuff up there.
Well, that are just like, we're just gonna, you know, hack into everything you have and be like, Well, we found that Zoom conversation where you said you were going to use violence to take over this is terrorism.
Hey, there, they tried with the fucking with the stop cops city thing. I mean, terrorism charges fucking across the board.
That's what I mean. I mean, in some ways, like, they don't even need to be that violent. Like they like that's, I mean, that is in a way violence like fucking your life. 30 years. So it is violence. Yeah. But you know, it's not the same kind of violence. But so yeah,
no, no, the problem is, it doesn't look like violence, right. And that's the thing is like, the reason it's so hard to get people activated, because nothing appears bad to me when like when COVID was happening, and there was shortages on the shells, right? People were activated, because they can see how bad things were. Right? And now things nothing bad is happening. So they're not activated. But that's why they do like that's why they go through you through the courts, right? Because if they go through, they go to you or they go after you in a way that doesn't look violent. Right, then nobody gives a shit what happened to you? Oh, you broke the law. You're quitting. You gotta
like, you know, there was something on Stockton subreddit or the Stockton maybe was California something about how like Sutter is getting even more shitting right there. Like, I tried to book a, an appointment for a primary care and they're like, our next appointments in 2025.
No, for what? Jesus Christ.
Oh, we should.
And but you know, like, that is violence, right? Like a system, this is gonna let you be sick. So you just like die of whatever you have. Because they don't want to hire enough doctors. Like that's violence. I think that's the primary
thing people have like the socialist and anarchist and communist idea of freedom and violence, it's kind of hard because like people are idea of freedom is the ability to do things. And our idea of violence is the ability to basically not be do not do things that other people fuck with your life. And people just don't see it that way. Because they, because they probably never experienced it, really. But
I mean, I mean, it's just a lot of like, it is what it is, you know, like, I think I used to say it was like, like this economic system and fall from the heavens, right? It's not like written in stone. And so like, but people think it is and so they're just like, hey, that's what helped the healthcare system. It's also apparently unbound. Well, unbound got denied their charter. And people like When do they stop referring to me as former ninth congressional district candidate, but never was a cycle ago, please stop now. But they're also like, current fix SUSE? Organizer, I'm like, gotta get that change to work and God's gonna be organizer sometime. Fix is gone. Now fix is never really a thing. Is this an Instagram page?
That's how I feel with the stupid the two nine times thing, but I feel that there's there's work to be done. But like, yeah, I don't know how it gets executed at this point. But that's I mean, it's like, you're like we're saying there's too much work for one person too much work for?
For 20 people. Exactly.
That's what so like, I think if you can funnel people into our org, it would be good. But then no one responds to anything.
Well, that's not no.
I'll keep doing it.
I think that yeah, I was gonna say I think that we could I actually Chris, at some point, we should do a Skillshare on how to run like a decent propagate Insta?
Because yeah, we could I could try. I mean, I wish Zeb is still in town. But of course, everyone who used to live here, that was my socialist friends. So Alex is moving away. Sam Regan is moving away. So everyone leaves and then we're back at square one. Yeah. But I can trust exact No, it's just the cyclists living here. But
well, that's why that's why we have to find the people who are here and turn them into socialists. I agree. You know, the people that are like 50 years old, ain't going anywhere. And Warren said, Go on a stupid Democratic Party things.
Yeah, there's a ton of farmworkers who like I know sure would organize as fuck with us. Yeah, sorry. I
didn't put that on the list. There is. So Louise McGann yes thing. Yes, it is. This Friday, and I don't I think I'm not going to be here. So I need someone to go.
What are we going to what's going what's happening where?
So you remember the Carol's event collected that corn thing? Oh, yeah, yeah, I'm butchering what it is. It's Friday at 730 at the center that he cuz I'll link it it's like by
7:30pm or PM.
It's a god's Burg. I forget where it is. I'll link it somewhere in stock. Well, sorry. But yeah, like a couple folks could go, that'd be great. I'm, unfortunately out of town.
Okay, I might be able to go back. I'll
try I need to say,
because we do. Yeah, this is unfortunate timing, but because we do need to go. Yeah.
Did he need us? Does he need help with something?
No, to attend, so he had his thing. You know, the cultural coordinate. That's what it was called. That's happening on September 3. So we actually got to put up a flyer about that too, because we endorsed at the last meeting.
Okay, cool. Um, but I told him go find out by tomorrow if I can go or not. Okay.
Yeah. And I'll see if he wants to go, or some other folks want to go. But um, I told them that we want to, like promote an event and like, help, like, help out in any way. Yeah. So just like, we just got to show up and be like, what? Corn cultural coordinate?
Yeah, I'll try and stop by. I just got to see. I got to put it in my notes.
Okay, I'll link everything in the email. I'll work on it. I haven't eaten all day. So I'm gonna go. Oh, we need to.
We need to do the
email. Yeah. Yeah. I'll go eat and then write the email and then put it in. Cool. And then have you send it right.
Well, yeah, let's
all right. I mean, all right. Well, let everyone go on
