Thank you Jana champagne for being on TSC Talks, you were our guest, probably, it's been at least a year a little over a year ago. And since then you've you've really kind of developed autism safe haven, I think you were kind of thinking about it back then. But I was going back to our old interview, and we didn't really talk, we talk more about integrated, holistic care, and your journey from becoming a Cannabis Patient and your own health, and then your daughter. So why don't you just start out and give a little bit of information about who you are and what you do. And then we'll get into your story. And
yeah, of course, and thank you for having me again, gel. I know it's been a little while and there's a lot a lot of new stuff to talk about. So I'm a cannabis nurse full time. And I have come into this industry as a patient, I have benefited greatly from cannabis as medicine, as has my daughter. Our stories are very widely available. If you want more detail on that. And just by following patient needs, I progressed from a patient to a grower to helping patients to now I'm beginning to educate medical professionals about cannabis. And another project I'm working on is is improving the accessibility of cannabis inclusive autism care resources. My daughter is you know, with her autism, and she's 18 years of age and, you know, ready to move on in life. And there really are no resources. So I'm building this for her and for other children that rely on cannabis for their quality of life and is their medicine and to allow them access to their chosen medicine, you know, while also receiving the care that they require. So that's that's really the purpose of autism safe haven.
Yeah, I love it. I read your talk that you had I put everything into my otter and transcribe it. So I do better read stuff. And just like it's just exactly like all if I could have thought of it. I mean, it's just beautiful what you're you're putting together and so needed, especially you know, now I've you started, I think the last time we talked I hadn't started using cannabis with my any of my own children. And now I have and the differences like there's just no turning back. So yeah, so it's, I'm really inspired by you and just impressed with everything that you've done. So yeah, I guess your story with cannabis is is available online, but you were patient, you know, you came into it as a patient yourself. So tell me a little bit about your daughter and the autism diagnosis and how you started using cannabis with her.
Um, so so my daughter didn't
begin using cannabis until she entered puberty and in suffered what we call a puberty crisis is common to about half of kids with autism, where with puberty onset come all of a sudden, really dramatic and extreme behaviors. And in her case, it was self injury and aggressive behaviors towards others. Because typically, those have authority like parents or caregivers, and also property destruction, she basically destroyed my house. And so you know, one point in the team for three months, she was working, she was living part time, in a separate home for me with a caregiver. And so we just narrowly missed her, her requiring out of home placement due to those behaviors for safety reasons, and cannabis spared her that so that is well a big part of why I'm so passionate about cannabis for autism, and ensuring that those that have come to rely on cannabis, you know, to improve their quality of life and their function and reduce the pharmaceuticals which we know have such horrific side effects for many, you know, to allow them that rate while in a home placement. And you know, currently the trend is that parents of kids with autism sometimes even have to leave their own state and their home and their family and go to a legal state in order to access cannabis for their kids with autism, despite it having an unsurpassed safety profile. And, you know, just being a lot more effective for most of these scenarios. So it really is not in the best interest of the patients. Right.
Yeah. Something to fix that problem.
I think it's hard for people that aren't familiar with you know, the situations that that you've been in and a lot of people that have children with on the autism spectrum or similar conditions, the extremes of behavior and the you know, the desperation that the positions that you're in and then to find this substance that kind of like makes life livable and not to be able to really use it without jumping through like 80,000 hoops. You know, I find it really frustrating I guess would be the word. I'm frustrated all the time, by people's, the cognitive dissonance that's going on and you know, I don't have to really say much more about that. So you started out and as a nurse and then your business integrated holistic care how does that play into your your journey? In your path,
integrated care I founded in 2015, to provide holistic health education to patients. And it was based largely on on the answers I had found, you know, after being very disenchanted with mainstream approaches for my own health, the answers that I've found to promote health and help regain balance in my own life and with health. And so that turned into largely consulting with patients about cannabis therapy. And unfortunately, about a year ago, in November of 2019, the Oregon State Board of Nursing, declared that they were actively rejecting the National Council state boards of nursing guidelines, the ncsbn guidelines for nurses working in the cannabis industry, which is what I was abiding by through that business and had three nurses on staff work. And and so basically, I was at the meeting with my name and my face on the zoom screen talking about my work with patients when they announced that nurses in Oregon are no longer allowed to do this.
Oh, my goodness, left.
Yeah, it puts our license in jeopardy. If we do, okay, I walked away feeling like I had a target on my back and all of my nurses quit because they're all Oregon licensed. And so it became, I begrudgingly had to back away from from my focus of working directly with patients, and began to think Okay, so what can I do, I can educate medical professionals. And so I launched some accredited content through cannabis nurses network to teach nurses how to work with patients around the cannabis space. Mm hmm. You know, using the ncsbn guidelines, and then that actually has led to now I am I'm officially faculty at john Patrick University, through the Institute of Medicine and will be teaching my first
college level. Wow, we're
starting January 11, of 20. Congratulations to john Patrick University, you know, teaching nutrition students about candidate as vital nutrients, which I think is just amazing. We're bringing it into the integrative nutrition program, and also into their oncology programs. And like, this is just, it's about a while,
that's awesome
sighted to be working with future practitioners, and teaching them about cannabis.
And what a nice way to, you know, be actually able to influence in a different way then, you know, one on one with patients and to have lost that, you know, that sounds like really tough. And then you pivoted and walked into something else and gives you more credibility for everything you're doing. I mean, there's not that many cannabis universities so or that have a component so it will reach more patients than
I ever could alone. So I feel really good about that. I'm still mad for Oregon patients and service that OSB ends decision has his, you know, impact them, we were filling a gap. I don't teach the patient, walkway, woman card with a signature and then they're left to rely on internet or family and friends are budtender advice, right? And how to get the best, the best medical outcomes of their cannabis. And none of those sources know best how to work around things like pharmaceuticals, or which you know, what the research supports for their specific indication. So it's really put them in a bind.
Wow. Wow. Do you have any idea why that happened? I mean, not to segue too much. But I'm curious. Now,
all I can say is that OSPF has not been receptive to communication or education on the topic. And it's my paradigm that their decision Actually, it's funny because they they have this clause in their statement, which is open source online, on the MSDN website. And so far, we haven't heard of any patients being harmed by being educated by the nurse about cannabis. And I'm thinking that they're putting patients at higher risk. Yeah.
Because we weren't filling that educational gap. And the biggest risk of harm comes from combining pharmaceuticals with cannabis and bud tenders are not
educated on that. Yeah, that even
first that's that's like the perfect niche for nurses to fill and they've taken us away from patients and so it's not part of it was really difficult to overcome as self as a patient advocate. I was so angry and it did take me a couple of months to finally say fine, I stopped doing this basically because I need to start a nursing agency for autism safe haven and I need my license to be in good standing for that. So that was really when I would find I'll stop
whatever Geez, yeah, though, you're so right. I mean, it is such a niche and there's so few people that know like what you know, and there's so many parents out there that I mean, I don't know whether they know it yet but they need to know. So we I feel like you know, I see a lot of the the boards for tuber sclerosis and I really had to disengage from a lot of Have it because it was just talking about pharma, you know, and very just a real, like, people are just frustrated and desperate. And, you know, they're hope they're putting their hope on these pharmaceuticals. Like, what's the next thing that that we can be prescribed? That's going to save us kind of thing. Like, there's a mindset, you know, that I'm sure you're aware of So, and breaking through that is really tough. Because, you know, as you know, when your kid is seizing, or your kid is in the middle of a behavior, you want to stop it now. So, yeah, talk to me a little bit about pharmaceuticals, and why they're so problematic for individuals with autism and how you've been able to transition. Your daughter and, you know, just a piece about that, if you can,
we and my daughter, just to be clear, his has not been on a lot of pharmaceuticals. During her crisis, I was very resistant.
Yeah, I think you mentioned that I forgot.
Yeah. medical world, I was actually a mainstream critical care hospital nurse giving pharmaceuticals every day, work until I got sick. And then it was like, whoa, wait a minute, pharmaceuticals are not the answer. And so that was more the realization. Okay, yeah, that, but I do work with a lot of kids with autism. You know, that's what one of my specialties is cannabis. And the problem is that a lot of times are using the mental health medications for behavior, trying to interpret the behavior as communication, which is what my belief is that, you know, especially in these kids that have limited verbal abilities or other challenges, and they're not able to communicate clearly, if there is their communication, and if you can figure out what's triggering the behavior and address that. Just throwing behavioral medications at these kids, which, by the way, horrible side effects, I mean, extra criminal with them,
Enough said, Enough said,
um, but, you know, the nice thing is, a lot of times when these kids add cannabis, and we're addressing things like their underlying pain issues, which they're not going to touch, yeah, that reduces their behaviors reduces their reliance on the medications, they end up with fewer side effects, better quality of life and better function as a result. That's totally commonplace. Yeah. Add cannabis to an autism regimen.
Yeah, I mean, that's what I've exactly what I've observed. And I'm not even got my son off completely a farm. It's just the other piece of it is, you know, I'm sure you see a lot of kids who are have been subject to a lot of pharma. And then you know, there are sometimes interactions with with CBD and pharmaceuticals. So, it almost becomes more complicated for some people unless they have someone to guide them through that because yeah,
that's where cannabis come in. We're good at that piece. Yeah, yes. SSRIs are, you know, one of the mental health meds if be super careful with combining with CBD really get too much serotonin, CBD increases serotonin, SSRIs increase serotonin, you get too much serotonin, and it can be miserable.
So it's always about
balance. And that's part of the problem with these mental health pharmaceuticals being thrown at these kids is there they're not doing any objective lab work or any objective, kind of assessing to see which medication might be the best fit. They're just kind of guessing, oh, well, you have these symptoms, we'll throw this one at it.
Yeah, it's not looking at the whole person.
A problem if a child already has high serotonin and they throw an SSRI at them, they're gonna end up with too much serotonin and morson behaviors and aggression and anxiety and irritation. So, you know, I think there's a lot of that happening as well. And not to mention, you know, there was one child that I worked with it was prescribed benzodiazepines multiple times a day, and he went into crisis and ended up in the ER, and they ran his blood and actually accused mom of non compliance with his medications because he came back and negative for benzodiazepines. And they pushed out advan checked again, he's still negative for benzodiazepine. So it's like, you know, sometimes kids with autism don't metabolize things like we think they might. And then so it's not turning into this metabolite that they're looking for to screen for benzos. So what is it turning into? And is that causing more Yikes.
Like, there's so many knows, we've been no testing, or research on these medications on children in general, much less kids without Yeah, you don't know the long term effects of them. The effects we do know are horrific. There's cases where you have extra criminal symptoms. They get these grimaces and ticks and all kinds of horrible side effects. And sometimes they'll take the medication that starts and they stopped the meds right away, but that side effect can be permanent
permanent. Yeah. Yeah, that's pretty terrifying.
When we have
cannabis with this unsurpassed safety profile. Why are Why are we not using that as our first resort? You know, as medical professionals, we take an oath to to weigh risk versus benefit for our patients and guide them appropriately. And when you include cannabis in that assessment, it's the logical first choice,
right? And and when you get when you can you get people to see that when you're, you know, teaching and how hard has it been for you to break through those those roadblocks with mindset?
kind of depends on the person. I've I've really gotten to where there's enough people actively seeking this information that reach out to me that I don't have to go out trying to convince people
to sell them. Yeah.
So if there's stuck in the stigma, and they're stuck in that paradigm, let them be. Yeah, when they're ready, I'm here.
Exactly. It has to be that way. It can't be something that, you know, I've tried to, like browbeat people with information, when I first realized you know, how much better it was. And that's just doesn't work.
It really doesn't, you know, the stigma is real, but it doesn't fit the science. It doesn't fit the facts. It doesn't fit the ethical medical paradigm and approach, which is risk versus benefit, like I was saying. And so you know, now with teaching medical professionals, one of the most powerful tools is patient outcomes and patient testimonials. So many medical professionals have reached out to me after I worked with their patient, their patient went to them and said, take me off these meds. And they'll call me and say, What are you doing?
I've heard that from other
nurses, and they're off their meds. So it's you know, that's there's there's different ways to kind of crack open those medical paradigms as well. And then say, hey, there's you know, there's 10s of thousands of solid research studies. We're not talking about High temps magazine articles, we're talking about science. Yes, well, self and realize cannabis meets zero of the three criteria for schedule one yet. It's there 30 years after we had a judge agree with us that it should be scheduled. Why
is that? Mm hmm.
It's the number one competitor to all pharmaceuticals, and so much profit and political entanglement in those funds. Universe is stuck. And is that in the best interest of our patients? Absolutely not.
Right?
this dichotomy of freely allowing opioid medications, which are killing patients every hour of every day, but oh, God forbid, we allow cannabis, if you want. I know. And, you know, I
think the long term what Say that again?
is killed? Nobody
ever I
know. I know. And we have, okay, how long have has what's the history of cannabis? It's like 5000 bc or something. You know, we have the data people. It's not like we have that data for pharmaceuticals. What we have 20 years maybe I mean, it's just mind boggling.
Yeah. Like, it's political and its profit driven. And that needs to change.
Yes, it really does. It's, it's depressing in a lot of ways. And, you know, to carry that around and to continue to, it's just something that's always there that that like, knowing that we have to just kind of live with this. On truth, so to speak.
It's a stigma. It's, it's propaganda, you know. And I've lived it in my own family. I mean, I have split relations with my family over cannabis, because my dad is a baby boomer and he was a minister turn prison guard. So there wasn't a lot of wiggle room. Wow. Except cannabis as medicine and except, you know, even seeing my improved medical outcomes, accepting that that was why
really wow, so yeah, yeah. Yeah, I, my brother is
you that's the lesson and so don't even waste your time. Man, I
know. plant the seed. That's exactly it. You know, I've worked with my mother was very resistant, but slowly, slowly, she's starting to come around. And you know, I have to respect I think sometimes. I want everybody to hurry up already, but just respect that. They she's been brainwashed or whatever for a far longer than I have. So it's some deep grooves in the in the neuro chemistry or whatever.
Nobody likes to hear that they were duped.
Exactly. Oh,
she like oh, no, I'm too smart to be fooled by that. Well, actually, yep.
They are meant to fool us.
So there was that piece too, you know. It's bared out like what half a dozen big industries were spared from hemp competition in 1937 when they passed the Marijuana Act, paper, lumber fueled
cotton oil.
What else? I
mean, come on.
It's money driven. It's
money driven. I know. I know. And so I guess to get into autism safe haven. Tell me about how you have gotten it off where you are and what you're, you know what you're doing with that and how It looks okay. Well, we
have our nonprofit designation or a 501. c three application is just being submitted, I think this week. So working on that piece. And we have the first home, which has already been extensively reinforced for autism behaviors, thanks to my daughter and just having to repair. So your home
is the model.
Is that the first one?
Yes. And what did you have to do to make it you know, safe and compliant it so it could be used in that way?
Well, the remodel so far, and this was done, like I said, to repair once she called her behaviors back in, okay. He's 16, I think is when we remodeled. And we have tempered glass windows that are breakable, we have a six foot fence around the property, we have walls that are literally quarter inch plywood with beadboard over the top, so indestructible. Lots of other Ada types of accommodations, like a flood proof bathroom. And so it's really just meant to it all without compromising its appearance as a home versus like a commercial facility. Most people wouldn't even know unless I told them, no solid hours. Follow on so they can't be kicked. And so basically what we're wanting to do with this model is is share it with with other children in the community that that have behavioral needs. And it's not just about cannabis therapy, although that is one aspect. And it's cannabis inclusive, which is really what makes it okay me. And we're going to have nurses or caregivers that are going to be able to administer the cannabis in the home. So the parent doesn't have to be on call to do that piece like is is the current trend with the homes here. We're also paying Yes, we're also bringing in ABA therapy and every resident will have an individualized behavior plan that caregivers will be trained on that. So it's very proactive, very positive motivation. Viewing behaviors is communication. Let's get to the root of the problem with these kids. It's really compassionate care. So many kids with autism, their behaviors mellow out when you cheat them for pain.
Do you have an example? Like what either with someone you've worked with where you discovered while I guess your daughter with with menstruation? You know, that's, I think that's really it speaks to the whole interconnectivity of the microbiome and everything that we're really not able to address in institutionalized medicine, so much. So. Right.
It's a kinder approach. And and we can even get into, you know, genetic assessment and nutrigenomics and helping to offset some of the genetic mutation contributors to their imbalances. So I mean, we can do a lot. It's very targeted, specifically for autism.
And really, the goal is, is to be seen those behaviors as communication and figuring out what is the problem. And so often, these kids with autism have systemic inflammation from the microbiome imbalances in the gut, neuro immune triad, that's, that's, you know, they're all linked, and they're all dysfunctional, and it's overlooked by mainstream medicine a lot. And so oftentimes, autism, you know, entails systemic pain. And these kids that can't communicate pain, it's going to come out as behaviors. So when you treat a kid with autism with a good pain strain of cannabis, oftentimes the pain itself will mellow the babies because they're not painful anymore. Well, that way, like this is compassionate care, not treating that, you know, imagine if that was a child that could tell you they were in pain and you're not treating it that would be neglect.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. There's there's
a cohort of art in the autism community that that believes that intervening medically with autism is not allowing them to be their, their, their best personality or something of that nature. It's, you know, like we're trying to change them.
Uh huh. Okay,
this is compassionate approach. This is compassionate care. If somebody is in pain, whether or not they can tell you you should be able to figure it out and treat it.
Yeah, absolutely. Wow. So you're saying like the corks of personality in that might be pain initiated, are some people are wanted that to be just kind of part of their personality?
Yeah, that there's a group in this autism community that doesn't believe in treating autism from a medical approach. They believe it's a neuro diversity.
When Okay,
what I see in what I'm talking about are these severe kids that are limited to minimal verbal and eye behaviors and their self interest and you know, that they don't have good quality of life, what we're doing giving them quality of life, we're not trying to change who they are, or change their autism which is you know, often not realistic goal anyway, right, right quality of life and give them better function and give them purpose and help them meet their potential.
Yes. Absolutely,
really clear about that piece.
Right. Yeah, you know, I think presumption of competence is something that I learned from other TSC moms like, and that's something that I really like, for instance, with my son, you know, he's kind of been classified with a global intellectual disability, which, you know, based on his history, there were so many things to happen, I always kind of held on to the idea that it was more a function of what all the pharmaceuticals and the seizures and all that that had happened, rather than something that couldn't be chipped away at. And, indeed, when cannabis was initiated, you know, now it looks much more like learning disabilities, you know, it's not so global. And to me, that's like, you know, as a human being, we should be allowed to be the best that we can be, you know, it, Sherry's not going to be a rocket scientist, or sure he's not, you know, but to, to know about these things, and to not offer them to these, this population is just, you know, it's unconscionable and also the burden on society, if you think about it, you know, if you're caring for your, your child and your home, as opposed to putting them into a facility, which is far less expensive, you know, you're saving the government, you know, money by, by taking care of our children and trying to make it work with, you know, on a shoestring when, you know, and so really, I feel like it's sometimes like they should be paying us for for the difference between, you know, placing them in a home, but it's been it's been a big wake up call for me, Jana. So, you know, I'm, your words are just like, it just, I guess, just wonderful to hear, because there's not that many people that really understand at such a deep level.
how important this is. So, you know, it's and I'm so glad that you get it, you know, we're definitely Kindred special needs moms, and I'm Kindred missions to help our kids and, you know, I just, I just think, you know, until we get these kids, what they need to be comfortable and be most functional in reducing anxiety and reduce your seizures and reduce, you know, the distractibility and the overwhelm and the overstimulation in their brains until we can address some of those things. They can't be their best
self. Yeah, yeah. And it's hard to live with that. It's hard to watch your child suffer when you know, you know, I think that's a big piece of it, too. You know, watching somebody take a bunch of pills when you can't change, you know, because of legal restrictions or something. So and whereas on your psyche, I'd say, people hopeless, yeah. circling the stripe that drain of despair. Some somebody said that I yeah, it's so true. You know, you can you can really get caught there.
So the reasons I love cannabis, because it's, it's so great for alleviating these parents that are in these families that are in crisis situations, and they're right on that edge of, you know, dramatic measures to try to amend their situation and cannabis can do that. But that's a great tool for,
you know, quick onset, especially like the sublinguals or the inhalants are great for stopping or calming a behavior in progress, you know, keeping it from going full tilt, but it's also safe, and it's also addressing an autism and underlying deficiency called Endocannabinoid deficiency, okay? It's a great tool for mitigating those symptoms, but it's actually helping to target the underlying cause of the symptoms. So it's huge.
So yeah, just to just for anybody that's not aware of what an endo, what the endocannabinoid system and deficiency, can you just briefly
saw our endocannabinoid system. It was discovered in the 90s. And unfortunately, you know, as of today, I mean, I'm I have my college course launching in January, but as of today, most medical and nursing schools do not teach but the endocannabinoid science. And so this explains why so many medical professionals when you say, Hey, what about cannabis, they think it's thinkwell. All good for everything. But what they don't understand is that we make cannabinoids in our bodies called endocannabinoids. And they exactly mimic the cannabinoids in the plant. Oh, and they happen to be vital nutrients. And when we make enough of these, the result is that it keeps our bodies in balance. This term we call homeostasis,
homeostasis.
And when you when you consider that the underlying cause of all disease or all chronic illness is underlying imbalances explains how it can help so many different things because the endocannabinoid system is throughout the body, it interacts with every other system of the body and promotes balance.
So the minute that your endocannabinoid system takes a hit, it's going to be off balance, and therefore it makes you susceptible to diseases and all kinds of chronic health problems, I would say,
when we can't produce enough endocannabinoids, we end up with imbalances that we label with a disease name, but it's also an NAD deficiency. And the cannabinoids in the plant exactly mimic these cannabinoids we make. Yeah. So supplement from the plant when we can't make enough and it helps fill that deficiency.
Yeah, to me, it seems like for so many, you know, we're trying to override nature and the plants as guides instead of trying to come at you know, impose our our mind and our intelligence in our brilliance instead of following these plant allies. It sounds kind of hippie ish, but
human ego to think we can improve upon the perfection of nature and save yourself of evolution with our big toy, no jeans, I'm sorry, we just, you know, over and over and over, we're seeing that whole plant spectrum products are far superior to than the human altered ones. Yes,
yes. Why it's hopefully a better option.
Oh, gosh, here we go.
So my nurses
and I created what we call the flow criteria. Okay, patients and this, you know, we've never benefited from the sales of any product ever. So it's not about Commission's it's about what's best for our patients may seek our eyes subjectively, to tell them what is the best fit for their situation, that was our job. And so we always taught flour derived lab tested organic and whole plant spectrum is what you want from medicine. And this is what the research supports, as well as you have seen in patient outcomes is that when you have a human altered form of cannabis, whether it's standardized, or lipids, or co2, or isolate, basically, they're taking, you know, the 500 plus column pounds that you find in the cannabis flour, and stripping away most of it to extract usually is about a dozen compounds. And the final product, I slit is one. So what we recommend our whole plant spectrum products, which are food grade, ethanol extracted or infused,
those retain
hundreds of compounds from that flower. And with all of those compounds, there's a synergy we call the entourage effect. And it optimizes medical outcomes that optimizes the the response in the body to so like a couple of things about it. what the research says is that they compared co2 versus whole plant spectrum, and co2 worked less effectively. And the whole plant spectrum beat it at 20 to 25% of the dose with better response. So there's meanings there for the patient as well. And then there's also the bell curve response, which another study found with isolates, as you increase the dose, it'll peak fall off and stop working
is there to to the receptors, tolerance type of I, I don't know whether that's the right word, but I've heard that, you know, your receptors just they need changed up they need that the plant to figure out what it needs, what could have been going to fit in there. That's kind of how I think about it like
it is what it really is, you know, because with co2, they removed the bioflavonoids, antioxidants, essential fatty acids, the chlorophyll, hundreds of compounds are removed.
Okay. Yeah,
it doesn't compounds, usually an isolated cannabinoid and some terpenes. So when you compare them, they work very differently in the body. And what they found was it you know, there was this bell curve response with co2. But with whole planet spectrum, as you increase the dose, the the effect increases, and they were measuring tnfa, which is an inflammatory marker in the movie. So very clearly and what this translates to, for me, as a nurse, I work with patients that sometimes need very intensive dosing for things like cancer or automotive, they need even autism, sometimes they need really high doses. So with that high dosing, they could actually fall on the opposite side of this bell curve, and be spending a ton of money and getting little to no benefit from it can take the patient's response. And we found this naturally through our work with patients and working with different products. like wait a minute, this one works differently. Why is that? And that's what prompted my research into the difference in and, you know, helping learn and teach patients what to seek for medicine.
Wow. Yeah. Thanks. That's, that's really good. I don't think I've heard that detailed explanation of the whole plant. You know, and I think what I see with epidemic epidiolex is a lot of side effects a lot of people complaining, you know, and I'm always like, well, I wonder what 10 other medications are being are being used that are interacting that nobody's bothered to, to investigate? So yeah, I see the people complaining about diarrhea. And you know, and I'm always I'll always go on and say, Well, you know, it's a really high dose of CBD isolate. Um, and it may be interacting with your other pharmaceuticals,
you know, sucralose in it with sugar supergloss.
Right. And isn't that bad for autism? Because
$30,000 a year when you could get away from seizure targeted formula for about 1500 a year? Yes, it's at or a 20 to 25% percent of the dose and not have that bell curve response like, it's right, deceptive. It's Yeah. Well, pharmaceutical SLP strip away all of the medical benefit because they want to create customers, not real cures. That's what epidiolex is.
Yes. Dan can to tell.
Yes. I just guy just like pop the cork there. But for me, too.
I can soapbox on so many topics.
Yeah, I hear ya. I think Yeah. Something about raising individual with extra challenges leads to that kind of soapbox type. Activism, though.
Sometimes you just like wake up people. Come on, wake up. Come on. Come on. Look at the
money.
Politics, don't listen to the media. Look at the logic.
It's there.
The Sciences here.
Yep. And it's all there's like a default mode. Yes. When you get somebody that wakes up to it, it's pretty cool. And yeah, and it is planting the seed. So where are you at now with I don't want to go too far off, I want to you to talk about what you're looking for in terms of support where people can find you what stage you're at all that.
So our our model is, you know, we're so thankful that we have a model that we're we're able to kind of duplicate Nikki's garden of hope I'm going to give them a little shout out. And you know, they reached out through you.
I met Adriana and in there doing Nikki's garden of hope, which is a very similar model out including cannabis. So we're just a little different. But based on that model, we are doing a hybrid business model where we have for profits feeding the nonprofit, okay, seeking for profits or for profit ideas. To help facilitate that. We have launched unity formulas, which are my targeted recipes, and all of 100% of my profit for those recipes is going to autism safe haven, we're launching some other programs to help feed it you know, right now we're able to utilize some of the government funding to help with that, but we don't we don't want to rely on that and rely on that continuing as it is right now. Especially with this tumultuous political environment we're
in right now.
Right You know, we're so thankful to have Adriana and her input on how to do all of that autism safe haven you can find it autism safe haven.org and it's a 17 minute video on there. That's a nice overview excellent reviews the science behind cannabis for autism and why it can be so big and it kind of talks about the journey and how this became a passion for me and also gets into the model more in depth. Okay, we are able to accept donations we have a 501 c three fiscal sponsor so all donations even while we're waiting for our 5013 c three designation are going to be federally tax deductible so we have that in place currently excellent for seeking donations and also you know impact investors to the courts going to be feeding autism safe haven as a 501 c three so and all the above any anybody that's interested in this and wants to help support our mission please check out our website at autism safe haven.org
Now do you the Unity products do you use those with your daughter do you grow I made I guess I wanted to get it how that works with the whole Will you be growing on the side or will you be
kind of ironic I grew for five years between 2018 and 2019 and had to pull the grow off of here in order to transition this into a cannabis in
your home. Okay,
yeah. But basically, that's the law here and so I did tear up the girl I'm not growing Currently, the formulas are white labeled through one of the suppliers I've worked with and been custom blending for patients for many years. And there's some some targeted so we have like an anxiety formula and asleep formula. On these are all CBD hemp. They can ship anywhere in the US and be totally legal. We have pain formulas for daytime and nighttime. We have a neuro support formula that's great for things like seizures or ATD, ADHD and focus. And so those those we also do custom And have a nurse line that you can call if you want a custom blade or something we'll add in place. And like I said, that's one of the businesses that's feeding autism safe haven. That's how I was talked into finally doing it was okay. benefit from the sales and then I'm okay.
So, um,
yeah, it's it's wonderful. And we have several people white labeling them and give me just all kinds of accolades, you know, 70 to 80% success rate on a lot of them.
That's great.
You know, through the free nurse line, they can call and ask questions and get more guidance and problem solve that way if needed. So
this weekend,
so Wow, that's, that's awesome.
Oh, and of course, they all meet flow criteria. So their medical quality, they're going to get in a patient, most medical benefit possible in a targeted way.
Wow. But this is just incredible that you're that you've brought this all together, I see that the pieces are really kind of falling into place. And in terms of the ABA and the therapies that you're going to implement? How does that look? How are you going to have an idea of how you're going to, you know, recruit caregivers or put that those pieces together? And
right, yeah, and we're working on the caregiver agency right now. Okay.
That's somebody that
that's able to help with that and get us an EIN number to bill Medicare and Medicaid. According to Oregon law, anybody that's listed as a caregiver can administer cannabis. So we're working trying to figure out like, does that need to be a nurse does Can that be one of the caregivers for the agency, we're really trying to have it be a fully integrated model. So we have we are are overseeing every piece because that really capitalizes on being able to use the profit to help those we're serving more easily. So that's that's really the goal is to have whatever we need built in built in. We have an ABA therapist, she's the one who's been working with my daughter for six years. And we're able to build insurance for ABA for autism in Oregon. So that piece, pretty much everything is covered by insurance, except for the cannabis itself, which now that Oregon has passed, measure 109 and 110. Just yesterday, yeah, we have legal psycho, psycho silan, for medical, for medicine here that might actually open up reimbursement for cannabis. So that's something we're looking at as well.
Great. Yeah, I know that. There's some insurance in Massachusetts that will cover cannabis. I'm not sure how it works. But it's, there are starting to be some, you know, and I think there's certain parameters, actually, it's not actually the No, you know what it is, it's the medical part of it, that they'll cover, like a doctor's appointment to talk about it, but they won't pay for the actual cannabis isn't covered. So
it's tough because it, you know, and my thought is, gosh, if I need to move to a property and grow for the residents here, I'll do that myself, you know, we're pretty well connected, he and I think we're going to be able to cover what we need in donations on the cannabis piece until we can charge for it. And although we were starting this launch in Oregon, our plan is to launch it, research, the outcomes show the costs, efficacy and benefits compared to what's happening now, which is, you know, pharmaceutical and physical restraint model, and then duplicated in every legal state. Awesome. One. And we also want to expand to more of a community model for those that, you know, go through the behavior program, and they're well managed, and they're ready to move on to more of a focus on quality of life and learning job skills. And you know, we want to have a community where they're learning to work with animals and learning how to garden and learning how to do culinary skills and different things as able to really continue to promote that potential. So it's a multi layer program,
I say so. So it's not necessarily just residents, it could be the community at whatever level that they need support. They can be plugged in and then get involved in Yeah,
yeah. I on on the location for that. There's a place about an hour from here that is a pre existing Lodge. So it's like an eight room Lodge, and then there's a dozen or so homes on this same hundred hundred 21 acre property.
Oh, my goodness. be perfect. So
I just need to come up with $5 million.
Okay. It's, it's good. Yeah, yeah, you know, I got that you've got all the pieces, you've got the motivation. And, you know, I see the connections that you're making and, you know, the investment impact investors. I think that's a good that I hopefully, it'll work. I mean, at the timing. It's great. And, yeah, thank you so much for being on and going into detail on all these things. I, is there anything else you want to share before we wrap up that I didn't ask you about?
So autism safe haven org for more information on autism safe haven, you need the formulas for the product line that's feeding autism safe haven. For more on my background, my daughter's story, my story You know all of my roles in the cannabis industry which are many Janna champagne calm.
All right. All right. Thank you so much. I'll be talking to you soon. Okay, take care Jana. Do you think
