right. So essentially, what I loved about this conversation is looking at different ways of both integrating access essentially, for different farmers and farms, to to be able to also benefit essentially from some of the resources are already present, but that there's such a lack of access and, and working on that has been really amazing in creating this participation, essentially in supportive process. And of course, what's amazing about technology is that way, it can be on a global scale, right, which is very new. And so I think that because of that and platforms like Hylo, for example, it does give us an opportunity to open this access like, you know, whether it's through, you know, ecosystem services, connections, you know, finding ways to, to sort of build up the resources of folks that have been historically essentially dismissed from, from these processes. Right. And, and it wasn't, I mean, Hylo is one of the great examples that I was able to participate in, but also these, you know, concept of data sovereignty, for example, and, and really recognizing the importance you know, of ownership of your own data, you know, to avoid appropriation, you know, by especially by resource heavy secretaries, right. And so really looking at these things, in sort of a holistic approach, but also it's very tentative, and like we were talking and Andrew was saying, like, it is a constant sort of adjustment and, and, you know, as things come up, and then we're able to build, again, more access and so on, and it was the same kind of thing that I was sort of feeling with the environmental claims clearing house as well, right. It was again, it was like creating these platforms, right, for greater access and so on and so forth. And, I mean, for me, it was very exciting to be with a group of people that are like dedicated, you know, in systems shifts because we're, you know, it makes us all uncomfortable like Andrew said to you again, you know, like all of our Liberation's are tied together, which is, which is a quote from Lila Watson. Actually, he was an Aboriginal elder. And, you know, I use it often but that, I think the concept is if you've come, I don't want to mess up the quote, but if you've come here to help me, you know, you can go home but if your liberation is tied with mine, then let's work together, which is kind of the situation that we're in is that all of our Liberation's are tied together in creating a system that is equitable for everyone. And that does not mean equal either. Right? And so what are my needs are not the same as yours, and so on and so forth. And yeah, so yeah, I really have been very, very pleasantly surprised, I guess, in some ways, right? Because it's not in everywhere that we're seeing this litigation. With the work that OpenTEAM is doing. Great.