So I think a great place to start is looking at how business is one today, right? And so if, if a podcast, if we believe that a podcast is great for marketing a professional services firm, let's take a look there first. So I believe you mentioned this on a very, very early episode of The Business of Architecture podcast. But the number one rule in architecture is to win the job, right and without the client, there is no architecture. And so business development is so important. And the the number one thing that I see out there in the marketplace, or the number one way that firms win new business is by responding to RFPs. That's typically, you know, how business development organizations are structured around RFP responses, and that can create, not the best environment, business development environment for your firm. And what I mean by that is, naturally a response to in our request for proposal is a competitive situation, right? And so you were competing against other firms, presumably, for the lowest cost bid, and the buyer is going to come around and say, Hey, nice proposal. Can you sharpen your pencil a little bit and shave 15% off? Well, that's not a really, you're not in a good negotiating position at that point. Yeah, right now, let's, let's flip that around a little bit, and let's say that you have positioned your firm as a specialist in one core area, right? And you have built a brand around being the go to firm for x, and buyers are coming to you, and they're, they're they're talking to you, and you are now in a position, a better negotiating position, because you have the ability to kind of enter into those conversations knowing that there isn't, there may or may not be A competitive situation, but you're in a better negotiating position. And so that's the power of creating your own business. And you know, referrals are great, but they're limited to your network, right? Digital lead generation, that's expensive as hell. And you know, you don't you get a kind of a low ROI out of that, a return on ad spend in person events. Sometimes they're mismanaged, right? You know, you know, you get out of in person events, what you put into it, the planning that goes into, you know, who's attending the event, and when you're going to meet up with them, and how you're going to follow up with individual people after those events. But with a podcast, you kind of get the best of all worlds, right? A podcast is a way for you to kind of accelerate your networking, or you can you're able to unlock conversations that you wouldn't normally be able to have chances are that your competitors don't have a podcast, right? And so therefore that experience would be different to, you know, your your prospective clients. They're going to remember, hey, yeah, I was on a podcast conversation with you, but they're not going to remember the sales meeting they had with, you know, the firm down the street. So that's kind of another, another reason why. But if we look at the marks of expertise, there's really like three core skills that experts in professional services have, speaking, writing and networking. And you know, if you don't like to write, that can be time consuming, right? But a podcast is a great way to just have a conversation and not have to worry about putting pen to paper. So those are just, I know I'm a couple all over the place a little bit, but those are a couple of reasons why a. Podcast might be a good fit for a professional services fan.