SMME EP431 The Untapped Superpower in Community-Driven Growth

8:25AM Apr 27, 2025

Speakers:

Daniela Woerner

Keywords:

Community

spa growth

relationships

local partnerships

referrals

marketing strategy

business success

networking

professional network

community ambassador

budgeting

relationship building

micro influencers

customer experience

leadership.

Welcome to spa marketing Made Easy, a podcast for spa owners who want to step up their leadership and business skills and step into the role as spa CEO. I'm your host. Daniela Woerner, CEO of Addo Aesthetics and Founder of the Growth Factor Framework Program, where we teach, coach and guide spa owners in scaling their spas to the next level of growth and unlocking freedom in their life and their business. I'm so glad you're here now let's dive into the show. Hey, Daniela, here and welcome to spa marketing made easy the podcast where we share actionable strategies for esthetic professionals to grow their businesses without stress and hustle, we like to work smarter, not harder, around here, and that's why you've been hearing me talk a lot about AI and how we can use it to tighten up our operations. Today, we're diving into the untapped superpower and spa growth, and that is community, my dears, because let's be honest, community isn't just a feel good concept. It's one of the smartest growth strategies that you can implement in your business. So many spa CEOs miss this opportunity because they are buried under a list of to do's, and plain and simple, they're exhausted and overwhelmed by the end of the day. I want to change that for you. So my guest today believes in the power of community, and she has a pretty incredible story around how community and relationships helped her take the next right step and then the next right step in her very successful journey into esthetics. I'm joined by Kim Pezzetti, the director of practice development and Cartessa Aesthetics, to explore why authentic relationships are the real currency of business success. Kim sharing. Her give something, get the something. Philosophy on how you can start building powerful local partnerships that drive referrals without breaking the bank. So if you're ready to be the mayor of your town, as you guys have heard me say so many times before, and position your spa as the go to into your community. Keep listening. Let's go ahead and play that interview. All right, Kim, welcome to the Spa Marketing Made Easy Podcast. I am so excited to have this conversation with you today, because over the past few months, as we've been getting to know one another, as we've been having our own conversations and building our own relationship, one of the things that we have discovered is that we both deeply believe in the importance of community. That has been something that really helped both of us get to where we are in our careers, it's affected our success in the different roles that we've played, and I think it's just such an unspoken thing that we really need to start to normalize and get out there of just How important it is to have this skill of relationship and community and connection, because it truly does open so many doors, and even the relationships that it's not opening doors for, it just makes you happier. It makes you, I mean, like, plain and simple, right? Like, it makes your life more pleasurable to know incredible people, to know people, to laugh with people, to connect with people. I feel like it's part of the human experience. So thank you for coming on and and getting into this today.

Yeah, well, I can't tell you how excited I am to be here number one and number two, yeah, it's just, it's been fun to just grow the relationship with you. And again, as like, it kind of goes back to community. Like, how did we get here? Daniela, right? And you just, you just said something that, I guess I didn't think of it that way. And I think it's so powerful to say it just makes you happy. And I think that's key in how you just approach life in general, whether it's business or professionally. And I guess you even think about it like when you walk into an establishment, and if you just simply say, have a great day to somebody who's not expecting it, you spark something that you don't know where it could potentially go, right? And so I think, if you think about that, and that's, I think that's the power in all of this, is just having these great conversations. And it might go somewhere and it might not, and that's okay. But I love that you just said, but it makes you happy, because I know I always feel better when I say something to somebody and they smile and they walk away, like, oh, gosh, I wasn't expecting that. That was

great. It's so and I think it's like the, I mean, there have been, you know, the the study that Harvard did that's like the longest going study of all time, Happiness Project. Happiness Project, yeah, so there, and it's like, the answer is, people that have community are happier. And you can look at all these people that have made millions and millions and. Billions of dollars, and if they don't have community, if they don't have family, if they don't feel connected and like they belong, they're not happy. And so when we spend so much of our time in the workplace, so much of our time doing something that we ultimately are wanting to help make people's lives better. We're wanting to help them solve a problem. And in Spa, in the esthetic space, you know, I mean, what a joy. What a what an incredible industry to work on. Work in um, one of the first physicians that I worked for, Dr Stalley, he would always be like, we're not hearing cancer here, and it's such a like to make it so light and to make it like we get to help others build their own confidence and feel better about themselves. What a joy of an industry to be in and and I wanted to kind of go back there, because it was at Dr Sally's office that I met one of my best friends in the whole world, NIA Naya, has opened so many different doors and been a friend since 2009 so I mean a really, really long time, and she was the one who introduced me to you, and she she had so many positive things to say about you and and cartessa, the company that you are working for right now, that that really it built the trust. It built the the ability for me to come to our conversations you and I open and and just ready to connect so I want to know about you. Like, tell me kind of your origin story in esthetics. Like, you didn't always start out in the esthetic space, but you got into the esthetic space and, like, tell me that journey, but also, like, add the connection piece. Like, how did these doors get opened for you?

Yeah, I love that. So it's funny, right? If you go, like, way, way back, the way back machine, right? Because I'm now dating myself, start to go to school. I thought I wanted to be an accountant, and I was like, yeah, no, this is not for me, you know. So I steered left, and I got into marketing. And then, you know, fast forward. I've been, I've always been in business development of some sort and or marketing, but back in my goodness. So What year was this? It was 22,009 when you met Naya. 2009 like, there's this common thread here. I went to a work, went to work for a company called doc web, which, believe it or not, was a digital marketing agency. We were owned by a physician who was also an esthetic Med Spa owner, and his whole thing was his talk

about being ahead of your time.

So crazy. I

mean, I was like twisting arms, like, can we please have a social media page,

right? Not a digital agency, yeah. So it was digital marketing. And it was funny, because he was a core just GP, but he had his Med Spa, and I think, through the process of building a website for his Med Spa, he got so agitated by the fact that these people were trying to build websites and then own them, and then, you know, kind of like, kind of take people for a ride in that space. And his brother in law at the time, John, who was who hired me, he was a digital guru, knew how to build websites, had a connection, and he's like, Well, we can build this company, and we can provide physicians that are looking to get into the Med Spa space. These websites. At the time, we were calling them micro sites, right? Because they still had their core website for everything health care based, you know, to be able to do all of the HIPAA compliant, all of that fun stuff. But now they're in a world of esthetics, so we've got to build these micro sites. So we were, you know, literally working the basement of his practice, which I find funny. Like, I think at one point my desk was an exam table because we were in between. I was like, this is kind of weird, but it worked. And then they so, because he had the Med Spa space, there was a connection to at the time it was sinusore. And so what happened was,

just up in New England too, right up in there, they're based out of Westford mass.

So literally, 35 minutes from me, met Chris aaronson, and as we were working through this, he's like, Hey, look, we would love to kind of bring you in and speak at our conferences across the country, to teach these doctors how to market themselves, right? Because they were of this mindset, I'm a doctor, if I build it, they will come well, we knew that wasn't the case when it came to the cash. Side, right? So now they had to learn how to market themselves. So I traveled for sign of shore as part of Doc web, and we would go in very educational Right? Like, here's what you have to do. Here are the basics. And then they would include our services. When they would sell a device. Kept those relationships, but helped build stock web from basically, I think I remember when we were starting, you know, maybe $150,000 a year to over $2 million in about 12 months. And I attribute that directly to the relationships that I nurtured, that I, you know, fed that I again, it was like trying to just make sure that I kept in line. And then fast forward from there, we grew too fast. It was what it was. I went on. I started my own consulting company in this Med Spa space as well, and but I always kept my relationships intact. And then I saw Gabe Lubin, who's now our, he's our CEO and founder here at Cartessa, and I could see he was starting this thing called Cartessa Aesthetics. Nobody really knew what it was, but I reached out one day, and I was like, hey, what's happening over there? Like, it looks like you've got some really exciting things happening. And he's like, Kimberly, when you come into work for me,

I was like, Well, how did you How'd you meet Gabe? Though, was it when you were

he was with sinasure at the time as well. So sinusore acquired Palomar. Yep,

I remember that because I was Palomar trained, and it was so hard for me to like, wait, what's happening? Yeah,

yeah. So I met him briefly at a couple of shows, but my connection was mostly Chris. Met him at a couple of shows, but just always kept that, you know, relationship, and felt as though, because I built that relationship, I could reach out, which was like, lovely, right? Like, you know that you have that ability to do so and not like, Hey, I'm only reaching out because I want something. I was just really curious and, like, excited for what you could see that he was building. So then I I've been here for six and a half years. And what's interesting is, I think three years ago, Chris ended up coming over to cartessa as our CCO, so that I ended up reporting to him again. So it's kind of like this full circle loop that came back together, which is,

I think what's interesting about that is when you have that established relationship, like, Sure, there's always you've got to remember what hat you're wearing. Like, is this my friend hat, or is this my employee hat, or, like, what hat is going on here? But I think it creates a much more open dialog for real conversations when the when you're in that, like CEO employee role, you can have in it, you're part of the leadership team there, but you still can have like, real conversations rather than, and that's probably what they're looking for from you, rather than someone that's just going to be like, sure, whatever you think. I'm a, I'm a, like, you want to be a team player, but you need that like challenge as a leader, to be able to see where your blind spots and where the where are the opportunities that I'm not seeing? And I think you get that when there's that established relationship and trust, no,

absolutely, and that's, that's the interesting thing. I think it was, maybe I want to say, three years ago, when we had our leadership meeting and gave, you know, always kicks off our leadership meetings, which is fabulous, he says. But you know what I'm going to do today is I'm going to actually go around the room with all of my leaders and tell my story about how we're connected. And he had a story for every single one of us in that room that went back years, not months, like years, and in many cases, decades, right? So it was kind of a testament to the connections that you make and that you continue to nurture, and how it's really helped him. I mean, we are $150 million company now, right? That's crazy to think when we're like, eight and a half years young, but he will attribute, I mean, obviously he is a mastermind, but I think it's what you know, it's all of those relationships that he kept in place too, to help build this company. So it's pretty interesting. So it's been a fun ride, but I love the fact that I've been able to continue to build relationships and partnerships as well. Because as part of my role here at cartessa, not only do I run the practice development program, but I also kind of keep tabs on our third party vendors. And it's really got to be to your point, like we have this conversation all the time, right? Daniela is like, there has to be a culture fit, because not everybody fits our mold and what we're. Trying to deliver to our customers. So it's something that we take very seriously, or, I should say, like not light hearted, because we want to make sure that, you know, it's that culture that we're delivering to our practices, no matter what and as wonderful as a service might be, if the culture isn't perfect for what we're looking for, you have to move on and find the next one.

Yeah, I so agree. So you guys, you have this theory that we were kind of talking about, that that I love the title. It's called the give something, get something, theory. So talk to me about that in like, because you, you know when you think about networking, and for somebody, I don't know about you, but like, I don't do great in like, huge rooms of people, I feel nervous. I like, I can stand on stage and talk in front of 1000 people, no problem. It's the like, the small talk that happens after that gives me the most incredible anxiety. Like, it's so hard for me, and I've worked at it and all those things. But when I used to think about networking, it's like, you think about those like crazy LinkedIn messages that people are just sending, like that you've never met this person before, and they're like, here's all the things like, it feels transactional, right? So how are you the give something, get something? It sort of feels like leading with generosity, leading with how you can help and support, if I'm if I'm guessing that, right? But I would love to hear kind of your approach.

No, I love that. And it's funny, because as I was writing this to you, I was like, this is just something that I always speak to when we're talking with some of our clients, that we're like, coaching, right? So we always get into this. We call it like, sometimes we call it grassroots. It's community. What does that look like? And I just, I kind of it just dawned on me with one of our customers in particular, who's based out of Colorado, and we were kind of walking through, like, look, we need to have some sort of community ambassador, like within the practice that goes out and builds these relationships. So we kind of put them on task. Like, here's what we want you to do. And I guess maybe we didn't put enough parameters around it. So when we met the next week and she came back and she said, Oh yeah. I went out to, you know, 50 different locations. I dropped off these little baskets of goodies. I put my business card in there. I put a, like, a page in there. She's

a type A action taker. She just needed a little more.

And I was like, Wait a minute. We need to go in, and we need to offer them something like the owner, the manager, somebody like, maybe, hey, I'd like to invite you into my practice for free treatment, whatever that might be. It could be this treatment, that treatment, or maybe, like, maybe we have just, like, three treatments that we select from because we don't know what their skin type is yet, or all of that fun

well, and also, like, highest perceived value, lowest consumable cost. Like, let's exactly you know. So

you can't just go in dumping and expecting them to now promote your practice to their members because you gave them a basket. Like, in my mind, that's not really truly giving them something, that's giving them homework like so you need to invite them in for something and take care of them first. And it is. It's building that trust, build that relationship, and then once you get past that, then you're in, and you might even find out, too that they're not my culture. Their base isn't my culture, I'm not I'm maybe going to have unhappy customers. So maybe this isn't what I want. So you use it as kind of this testing ground of sorts. So I feel like when we you do it that way, that kind of leads us into like that more intentional, right? It's that more intentional side of the the business.

So two things are coming up for me. First, what's the quickest way to get rid of a laser salesman by a laser Okay, so. But how cool is it that you guys as a company have an entire division dedicated to educating your internal clients, to helping to support them to grow. I don't know any other companies that have such a developed program for their internal staff that's not only teaching tactical but also relationships. So kudos to you guys for that. That's incredible. But the to go back to what you were teaching around the relationship piece is someone can't recommend you authentically if they've never had a service from you. And so it's there. Think about the difference in the testimonial or the the refer. All that they're going to be able to give us. I walked in and it smelled like this, and they were right on time, and my skin felt amazing, and they followed up with me, and they did, you know, it's like, and they had the water with the cucumbers and strawberries in it, and, you know, you get the little details that's actually painting a picture, rather than they came in and brought me some bagels and gave me these cards that I'm supposed to give out, but I have no idea. How can I recommend my people if I don't know what the experience is going to be like, that's going to look bad on me if I am sending someone there, and I've never been there before, right? Because when we're asking someone to refer that's a huge that goes on them too. Whether it's a good experience or a bad experience, it goes back to that person. So we want to make sure that we are doing things to make them look good in the eyes of their friends, colleagues, clients, whomever they are referring to. So it's such an important piece. And I like to look at like, you know, we I want to get into this budgeting piece, because you have listed out here, like, how much should you spend on this relationship building aspect of marketing in your business, and the consumable cost, especially if you're doing an energy based device, is going to be pretty low if you take that consumable cost out of your marketing budget. Like, what a better way? What a higher conversion can you get than to just really looking at, like, hey, if we can get somebody on our table, and then we can sell them into a series, and then they can refer people, I mean, that's a way higher return than some of these other marketing strategies.

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, and when we talk about the reason why I throw budget in there, like, and you're gonna laugh at me for this is, I don't think you need to have a budget to your point, it might be the cost of a consumable, if that's the treatment that you so choose to highlight with them, because maybe that's like, the latest greatest, you know, and most popular treatment that you have. But, I mean, I would say less than $500 a month, like, and that's really just kind of looking at your time, and maybe you are creating a few things. But that's the beauty of the community side of this, or the relationship building side of this is I always like, it's funny when I hear my team start to repeat me, they're like, low cost, no cost, right? Kim, like, Yes, but what can because this is truly something that is next to nothing for you to do, aside from, like, some elbow grease and getting out there and just putting the time in, right? And then I think when you have a practice that maybe has a little you know, maybe you're beyond a solopreneur, because I know solopreneurs might be become a little bit overwhelmed, but that's why you do it in digestible chunks, right? Like identify one, just identify one within the next two weeks that you want to go and start to try to build a relationship with. But if you've got a bigger practice, then maybe there's somebody within your practice that you know, you know, kind of oozes your culture, and maybe they've got some really deep ties in the community. Tap them to be your ambassador of sorts, right? And one of the practices we worked with in the Carolinas actually had didn't realize it. As we went around the room, there were so many of their team members that were involved in some form of community group or like charity, like they they just they had this pile of gold that they had no idea until they started asking the questions, right? So I think it's also, it's key to also understand who your team members are and what they do in their spare time, because you can potentially use that to your advantage as well.

So I want to go back to this budgeting thing. We do believe in having a budget, but I agree. I agree quite a bit with what you're saying around the strategy with it and what i So, according to the SBA, you want to have anywhere between eight to 10% of top line revenue for your budget. So if you just say, like an easy just to maintain what you're doing, if you want to have a 10% marketing budget. How many practices do you know? And I know on our end, the dollars are going towards fulfillment. They're putting all of their dollars on back end, on services, on all of this stuff. When I ask somebody, how much do they spend on marketing and advertising? It's it's very rare that I'm finding a practice that spends more than $500 a month on paid ads, if they are and maybe they're doing like an ad in a newspaper or like a local magazine or something. Like that. But if you want to build a sustainable business that's growing, you do have to have some sort of advertising budget. And I think that if you start out with this strategy, Kim that you were suggesting, which I think is brilliant, you start out with that and you say, Okay, if we're doing 50,000 a month, then maybe we're going to give five that we have $5,000 to play with. In terms of budgeting, if you break up your consumables, you can say we have however many treatments that we're capable of giving away, which then, to your point, would almost be unlimited, if you're like, if something cost, you know, with with payroll, maybe the consumable is 40 bucks. 50 bucks you divide that, there's going to be more treatments that you have capable of giving away than you can fit on your schedule. If you're looking at what your actual budget is, and that should really put the CEO at ease. And saying, like, if we're looking at our marketing dollars, of what we're going to be doing, of what the SBA or other, you know, says, and we're can, and we're looking at it like this, we truly can. We have so much possibility if we're not yet ready or not, don't have the desire to do paid ads or to invest in SEO, this is one of the the best ways that you can really start to market in such a meaningful way, where you're building those relationships and getting word of mouth and getting reviews and all of those things, and then you can go into ADS and then show them all the case studies, all the testimonials, all the reviews of people in your local community. So it's really brilliant to start out with a strategy that you just recommended Kim, and then move into the other spaces, but you've got to start thinking. And I do want to call it a budget, because I want them to start realizing you do have to put investment into growing. And there's different like, are you just wanting to maintain? Are you wanting to grow? Are you wanting, like, hyper growth? If you're kind of in your first five years of practice and all of those are going to have different budgetary amounts of your top line revenue that you would allocate towards, but it really doesn't have this is one of the easiest ways to get started with marketing your practice yet so many are just like holding so tight, Like, I don't want to give things away for free, right?

Yeah, and I think you're so spot on with all of that, so, so I use this as kind of a stepping stone, right? Like, this is your stepping stone for those practices. But I also feel like the bigger practices could invest more time in this avenue, because they might be misappropriating some of that budget, because they might say, Yeah, I'm spending 10% but I'm not getting the return. So let's look at like so let's flip the script and say, what's our return on the investment that we're getting? So if we got say, it's $5,000 a month, maybe it is more in those free treatments versus Google AdWords, because we're not seeing the leads come through like we thought. So yes, I think you're spot on, right? So it's you have to spend money to make money, we all know that, and you just have to basically figure out what your percentage is based on where you're at in your growth process, right? So we're actually getting ready to work with the new new practice here this week, actually. And like her, it's like, it's a little scary to me, like her number one goal is, like, she's like, I want to get from 1.5 million to 3.1 million in about 12 months. But she recognizes too, that I've got to spend money to make money. So she's investing in coaching. She's investing in, you know, marketing dollars. So it is you have to recognize, like, what are your biggest return on investments? And I think the bigger piece is, like, even when you look at the community side of things, Daniela, like, You're the queen of this, right? We have to track it. We have to track how those spreadsheet,

Honey, give me a spreadsheet I got you,

but it's so true, and then it's just like, all of these aha moments pop up, right? You're like, oh, that partnership actually, although I think in my heart, it's doing well, it's actually not, because the numbers are telling me differently. So it's just taking a few extra minutes to use one of your wonderful spreadsheets and say, what does this look like for us? So yeah, I think that that's yeah, you have to have a budget. But I do think if you think about how you invest it in your community, the dollars go further. Potentially. So yeah,

and I'm just going to throw out another little tip here in this like community building piece, something that we see so much around September, October, when every spa is inundated with donating things to charities and donate like, can you donate a gift basket? Can you donate what you know? Like, it's always like, they want free services. I tell our people to say, Sure, we'd love to donate if you send this email out to your entire list. And so we want proof of the email. We want proof of getting in front of those people. And then you just got free advertising. So one, you get one client out of that, then what is your lifetime customer value? And so, and you're getting exposure to their entire list, track that, and then you can give bigger to less organizations in the following years, because you can see the ones that actually come in and redeem the gift certificate. You can see the ones that are serving your people. You can also ask your existing patient base, what are the charities that they support? And similar to what you were saying, Kim, if you have staff that is involved in community, what are the ones that they support, that you have a direct connection with, that is going to really understand, like, there's so many ways that you can go about this and really make it a win, win situation. But your local community, if you are the CEO, I want you out there being the mayor of your town, I want you out there, being visible, building relationships, going to charitable events, going to your local BNI or rotary club or chamber, whatever organizations you decide to visit, which is what this gal that you have this practice that wants to go from one point Whatever to 3.1 she's got to get in the community. She's got to be she's got to be out there building the relationships. And that seems counterintuitive, because it's like get out of the practice. That's what you need to do, right? But that's what she needs to do. She said, those partnerships, Yep,

absolutely

okay. What am I missing? Let me look at this list, this golden list here. Okay, so you said, in the world of esthetics and med spas, what is community? So specifically, I want to talk about that internally from a professional network as well, because I think that what we see, if you're in the industry long enough, it just gets smaller and smaller, and there are really great individuals that are with company A, and then they move to Company B, you know, and it's like that can also be a really beneficial thing for you as a practice owner, to maintain relationships with your vendors. To you were just saying, I was I met them when they were sign ashore. It brought me to you know, it's like those relationships opened up so many doors. So I think really being aware of these people that are trying to build relationships, and yes, ultimately do business, but sometimes it doesn't work, and just because you're not doing business with a particular company doesn't mean that you still can't support or provide value or build relationships with those so what's your kind of take on building your professional network in the esthetic space,

yeah. So when we say professional, like internally with your vendors, yes, I 100% agree with that, right? Because this world is small. It's It's kind of crazy to me every every time I think that it couldn't be any smaller, it ends up being smaller, right? So there's that piece. And then when we think about, like, your professional network as a business owner within a community, right? Because you're in your community, community, I think some people kind of start to shut doors when they think about, oh, well, it's got to be wellness related. It has to be, you know, maybe it's like, we always kind of go back to this, like, orange theory, fitness, the pure bars, the hot works, like everything that is kind of like tying back to somebody's overall wellness. But I think you can take it further than that, right? So when you get into community, you, I mean, yes, charities, yes, that's a whole nother piece, but I attribute this to a conversation I had with actually one of my local esthetic practices that I worked with, and it was funny, because they're like, we are having a hard time literally pulling from the other side of town like we're we don't know why we've like, we've advertised in their local like, greet that town. Greet Bedford. And we're not getting any traction. And I was like, Well, what about like the coffee shop that is, like, it's like the hub of the community over here, like all the moms go there, like all the business professionals go there in the morning and have meetings. I said, What if you just bought, like, Coffee Sleeves and threw them on their coffee cups until they were out of them. It cost them $48 right? And said, enjoy this, you know, coffee and call us for a consult. And it was one of their best marketing campaigns that they'd had to pull like this new market. But again, it was going in and meeting that owner. We all know who Hillary is, because Hillary is out in the community. So if everybody knows who Hillary is, and now all of a sudden, Hillary is talking about our Med Spa, then Hillary must know something that we need to know, right? So I think it's understanding that there are different avenues of different business types that you might not always just think of so and it could go to, you know, maybe it's a fence company that you just see, like they're all over, like everybody knows who they are. So it's like understanding who the people in your community that have some, I guess, some. So I'll call it celebrity status, right? Like, it's one of those things when I run into people, like, What do you mean? You don't know, so and so they, you know,

they're, they're micro influencers. Is what they are. They are, who are the micro influencers in your community, who are the Hillary's in your community that you can locate and build relationships with. And sometimes it takes, you know, six months to a year to really build a true relationship. And it's, it's finding the points of connection. You don't want to just go in and lead with the transaction. It's like, Do your kids go to the same school? Do they play the same sports? Do you have any hobbies in common? Do you work out at the same gym? Do you like what are the things that you can do, and how can you help their business support the things that they care about without like expectation of what is going to happen after, right? No, and

I think so there's a sorry for interrupting, but there's a practice that did this really well, actually, in Dover New Hampshire. And you do, you think about the reciprocal, where they actually highlight another small business in the community, within their practice. So when you check in, like, they'll have, they would have, like, a whole coffee station set up, and it would be compliments of the inside scoop. And sometimes they do that just to kind of build that knowledge. And maybe they don't even know Hillary yet, but they're like, hey, but I recognize everybody loves your coffee, so I'm going to highlight you as a small business that I like am proud to support and everybody else is proud to support. And then there's this like you, you create this reciprocal before you then get to their practice, their business, to be able to make that connection, right? So there's a lot of different ways to go about it, but I always thought that that was cool. I'm like, that's lovely that you're just, you're a small business owner, and you're just, you know, celebrating the other small businesses in your community that you might not even really truly know, but you enjoy what they bring to the table. So I think there's a lot of different ways you can do

it. That's really cool. I love that. That's a great idea. All right, anything else that you want to add to make this episode feel complete?

Oh my goodness,

what am I not asking? I don't know. I

feel like you've asked it all. I don't in this with this topic. I think we've touched on the biggest points that there are. And I think it is, it's just

consistency. Like, yeah, like, like, we were just

talking as we got to start. We got started. Lori harder, like this, the cop, the title of her podcast, is, earn your happy. And I think you you hit it the nail on the head as we got into this, like, earn your happy, because you're gonna, when you start to showcase other people's successes. It makes you feel good, and then it's going to make your life so much easier as you build your own small business within your community. So, I mean, I think we've touched on all of it. Daniela wonderful,

all right, so I want you guys to take action. I want you to really put community at the forefront of your marketing strategy. Reach out to your network. Understand like First, understand who your network even is. You know, like the story that you were telling about, all the connections that you already have in your location. It's such an important thing. Kim, where can all of our listeners find you, follow you, get in touch with you if they want to learn more. If

they want to learn more, they can shoot me an email, which we can put that in the open all the mouth full. Kay Pozzi at cartest esthetics.com but I'm with cartesian esthetics. Like I said, we are eight and a half years young. I. Or you can follow me on LinkedIn, Kim pozzetti, and I'd be happy to connect with anybody and everybody that wants to

connect. Wonderful. Thank you so so much love this love community aspect. It's such an important piece to have as your foundation of marketing and career growth. Thanks again for listening, and we'll catch you on the next episode.