Care of Magical Shippers Episode 35 - Snape's hungry for a Snaco... 🍩 (Draco Malfoy/Severus Snape)

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ship space let's go to ship big don't care if I get my bearings well then you can get the bricks This is my own TeeSpy down with

Well, welcome back listeners to Care of Magical shippers. podcast a Harry Potter ship culture podcast. I am Nathan.

I am mag

this week we hope you're hungry. Because we're talking about snack.

I'm gonna remember I'm not that has to be one of my favorite ship names. Probably. What's the other one? There's one with Draco. And what is it either with Theo? I think Theo and Draco is Taco.

Oh my god. Yes. I want to go to that taco truck.

Yes. So snack of course. Well, I say of course a lot of people ask what the heck is snack? So it's Severus Snape and serious black. Cool. So yeah, so

again,

we're getting one of those marauders versus Snape pairings, which I absolutely love. You know, we went into James when we did the you know, generally snot early episodes. And but yeah, but I love. I love their dynamic too, because it's something obviously that can happen during school and also transcend through. Whether it was something that there was betrayal involved that T was in our school band and Severus did not go to ask a band and then coming out afterwards and reconnecting in the Apple block. There's a lot of things to go into with these ones.

Yeah, there's a lot of extra. I don't necessarily want to call it baggage, but yeah, ephemera that we need to consider when it comes to unpacking their characters. And I just want to say for the benefit of our listeners, and for context, you've just come off recording a very, very intense episode of Snapchat, which I did have to do with Severus Snape unsex which informs this episode but it's not directly related to it

Yeah, Nathan was like oh, you just did so much with you know, with Severus Do you want to actually keep talking about him? And I was like, actually, yes, like that was we went to a lot of things so hopefully, if it hasn't either this is after October 1, and it's out so that's the goal for the episode to be released and then we'll link that otherwise it should be out October 1. I have no idea when this episode will air but but yeah, but that's super exciting. And yeah, I this is gonna be fun. I'm just I'm really excited.

In a way I sort of a little bit confused that we haven't done Snape sooner because we did like you say we did this Natali episode but that we haven't really touched Lape since and for us that's weird because I know that Snape is probably your favorite character question mark

yeah definitely yeah depth between Yeah, I would say overall like Snape central than probably Draco next like I love those you know the two difference era slither in characters. But yeah, I would definitely say Snape is gonna be number one.

So what you're saying is that for like an ultimate celebration of your birthday or whatever, we need to be doing a Snape slash Draco Episode

Oh my god that would be absolutely amazing Just kidding everyone, we're actually doing

JavaScript we could do that like

I need to know because the calendar now It's not that anything makes any sort of sense. So right now we're in August right now recording and today is day okay so Monday we're supposed to release the Percy slash right Percy slash Oliver. Yes and then and then on the fifth is supposed to be this episode. So technically, I'd be happy with either but we this would technically be my birthday ish episode

well let I'm gonna I'm gonna throw it back to max Meg's What do you want to hear? What do you want to talk about?

Okay. Okay, I am Snape and Draco I 100% doing sneaky trick let's let's come back to snack so tasty snack it was just a different tasty

this app pairing this sleep and Draco has so much drama that both absolute theater kids and they've learned into it they know how to make an entrance and they know how to make an exit. And so I want to know, in this scenario, like are they age down? Are they aged up is one learning from the other is it like adults Snape and like to Draco or how are you seeing this in your in your brain?

Okay, so a big headcanon that I have, you know, which is canon, you know, like Canon supporting is the whole like Half Blood Prince where Severus is looking out for Draco like for Narcissa as well as you know, when Draco has to spend time at the manor and obviously is as far as we know, you know, like becomes a Death Eater or at very least is like involved in you know a lot of the stuff there like Severus is someone who it's like he's maintaining the spy you know persona so a lot of times what he does is he's the one who's like protecting Draco because obviously like I mean it just is what it is it's the Death Eaters we're getting into some really you know dark people like the fact that it's like there's people that could see Draco as weak would want to prey on him and you know, play with him essentially. And then Severus either being like no like he could be a gift from the Dark Lord because Lucius lost favor after the Department of Mysteries. But Severus only uses that as a means to protect Draco it's not like he actually you know takes advantage of a teenager or anything like that, but it's with that trust and support of having someone that he knew that he felt he could trust but then was kind of not was hesitant of and then to have him come back and be there for him like obviously then I could see that growing into something more you know, genuine and things like that. So that's a big one is I love the idea of Severus protecting Draco during that time because obviously he was very vulnerable to a lot of things and probably asked and forced to do a lot of stuff like I'm trying to remember like Isn't there someone had is it Harry that has a vision of Draco? I don't know maybe it was in a fanfiction probably in a fanfiction. Harry has like a vision of seeing Draco have to torture somebody through Baltimore's line of sight so maybe that wasn't a fanfiction? I don't know if it was

I feel like that was fanfiction.

After I started saying it, I was like that probably was like a dreary. So if anyone knows that fig, like because I read way too many dreary to know. But um, but like you could obviously see him having to do things like his job was to kill Dumbledore. So that was a big thing that obviously Voldemort didn't think he was going to end up surviving guessing that you know, Dumbledore would either stop him or even made possibly kill him. So yeah, so that's so that's my main over like, as far as like the most inspired by Canon before we start getting into just all around, you know, fanfiction, au divergent stuff. That's my favorite thing, favorite bases for the start of their relationship.

And that makes sense to me because it's a time when Draco is at his most vulnerable. He's lost his father. He's in Azkaban or Italy and ask him no. Well, anyway, his father is disgraced and sort of discredited by the Death Eaters for having failed at the Ministry of Magic and so he's feeling the family pressure, I suppose. And the the hereditary pressures of the Malfoy line. And I can see Snape stepping in as a sort of surrogate father figure for Draco definitely. And there's potential for offshoots from that. Now, up until recently, as we know, didn't really see Snape as a very benevolent character. I saw him as maybe doing the best he could. But I saw him as being sort of quite out for himself and a little bit ruthless. And it's interesting now that we've sort of become friends and talked about this at greater length that I see that in a different way. And I could see him definitely being more of a protector to Draco. But the question is, and I suppose I'm really interested in your perspective on how much of this is Snape taking advantage of Draco and how much is it Snape being a necessary, you know, necessarily being a support to Draco because Draco needs that, you know, where's the line?

Yeah, so I definitely am here for both I'm totally fine with either my notes but I definitely picture in relation to like what I was talking about before, like Severus going in purely like mentor position. I mean, he's his head of house. He's taught him he's always been one of his, you know, favorites. I mean, be that between his you know, relationship with Lucius and things like that, like, they've always had, like, I like I kind of see it as they probably have a similar relationship to what Harry and Dumbledore had show. Like, I'm sure that I'm sure Draco showed up bitching all day long to like, you know, Severus like Harry bubble, but like he was like Harry and Hermione and Blair bland doesn't he was just like, Oh my God, just like, Oh, stop, but I could see them having like that are really close. You know, obviously platonic mentor mentee, you know, teacher student relationship, that that is also a little bit closer because a lot of people say he's Draco's Godfather, which isn't canon, but a lot of people do. Like yeah, of course. Yeah. Name him as that. So that's another thing of like, you know, growing up and being someone that Draco always trusted and new as like family as he grew older, so I so I just I see if it was like a protecting Draco situation. In the beginning it would like it would not be on snipes radar for it to become romantic. Like I feel like Draco because like we said, he's at his vulnerable state. No one is nice to him. His you know, his like, who knows, like his father might not be talking to him because he thinks that he's set versus play thing or something like that, or, you know, things with his mother who knows what the reasons behind it, but he's his main support. So it's like that. Like, it's almost like forced proximity trope, you know what I mean? Like they're meant to spend time together either for reasons that it's like he's supposed to be taking advantage of, you know, this teenager but he's not they're really just sitting around reading books. So it's like, I just I feel like it would be a Draco thing of slowly seeing a different side to Severus because because even if they were close, I feel like at school, he would still be like, professional, he would still be like, if you need to talk to me about something, you know, like, I'm someone to come to, but I'm still like, I'm your teacher, you're my student. Whereas in a situation like this, Snape is feeling the burden of being a spy and living in that place and doing what he needs to do that I'm sure like if they have to, like share a room, let's say like they have to share the room. Then he gets starts to Draco starts to see sides of Snape that like you know, that start coming to the surface because he's, you know, he's worn out he's tired. I think we kind of went in on that a little bit with Bella miny, like talking about Bellatrix like she's ruthless and puts on this front and, you know, publicly because she wants to come across as someone who's strong, you know, within the circle because whether it is because she's a woman or for whatever reasons that then she could become vulnerable with someone else behind closed doors. So I feel like it was an it would be an opportunity for Draco, Draco to see sides of Snape that he wouldn't otherwise see. I see that trope a ton in in Snarry. Like when Harry finally starts to see sides of snake keeps hidden and like you know, pulling out different vulnerabilities. He's in past traumas and things like that. So I I, when it comes to Severus like, it's either like I'm in for reading like just like porn like porn no fly just like I'm just coming in just to read some porn. Otherwise I love his character as a slow burn just because he's so complex. He's so guarded he's so broken. He needs someone to get in there and you see that a lot with Snarry Like Harry is the one who's slowly working his way and I could absolutely still see that for Draco. But you know, their relationship at least it doesn't have the like, the like, hate to love thing like it's definitely like, friends or at least like acquaintances, trusting people to eventual lovers that Yeah, I mean, still I love when Severus is like, no, I cannot. I'm too old for you. I cannot

enunciate you know, it's impossible.

Because I because I also love the idea of like, okay, Draco is given like he's given to Snape. Right? I'm still I'm still here. This happened. Yeah. So Voldemort gave trick go to sleep. And Drake was like, Okay, I guess this is part of it. And he's like, you know, ready to, like, do the thing and save like, no, no, no, I'm not gonna do anything to you and then drink. I was like, why not? Am I not attractive at that, that like becoming this total brat. And like, I just I can also see that for Draco to have being you know, like, so. I love all of it. Like, because obviously, Draco's in a place. And I just yeah, so. So that's those things, but I also read plenty and have written actually, where Snape obviously is like, is a dark character. So he's not like that. teamable You know, character. Like, that's, I mean, I think about it, and like, oh, that's why I bring up this. He's a gift to Severus thing, because that's what I wrote. He literally was a gift to save. But in this one, it was very different. He definitely was like, Okay, you're my play thing and stuff. So that's so I'm obviously into that too. Because I thought well, you probably did you I think yeah, yeah, I feel like he read you beta. It was for non con AThon got Yes, yes. Yes. So yep, that's a lot happened in that story.

Yeah. A lot of it was very questionable and very hard to say.

I just those are the best comments from you when you were just like, I read something and I just got the most inconvenient and I'm just shocking erection of like, inconvenient. I just, where did this come from? Apparently, whatever. Yeah, so fiction is fiction, guys. Fiction is fiction.

Yeah. And that's something I think that more people could really listen to and do with internalizing is it's it's words on a page isn't real life. I know that we talk about it seriously, like it is a matter of life and death, because of course, these characters is, but also, I'm so glad that you brought up Snarry Because in a strange way, Draco is Harry's foil, Draco, is what Harry almost would have been if he'd been brought up pure blood and been, you know, raised by Wizards only and had that upbringing and just been exposed to to that side of the world. So in terms of just narrative structure and plot, Draco is there to be Harry's other to represent something that Harry isn't, but in a strange way, they're also mirror images for each other. Yeah. So when Snape and Draco get together, I almost sort of think it's not necessarily at the expense of Snarry but I see Snarry in it, because I'm like, this is the side of Harry that he would never give vent to because hurries too oblivious. I'm too modest. Yeah. And drink. leans into it. Draco is all about being the brat and being you know if I'm going to be a trophy, I'm going to live up to this.

Yes, exactly. I know. That's why I just see him being like what you don't want me why like it seems just like oh my god, like there's so many reasons why, like there's just so many reasons. Oh, I'm straight. I was in love with Lily ovens. Well just wait until I have my hands on you will see how strange you

are Spaghetti straight until it's cooked professor

that is the best thing I have wow that was amazing

the rest of this podcast will just be us laughing at each other we're done. Tune in next week when we'll be coherent again

the first 10 minutes of this episode was us thinking we were doing Severus

sorry serious you'll come back next time. Yes,

you'll come back next time. Where's the damn with this sorry not sorry. This is

Draco has just elbowed his way and he's like No, this is my entrance. I am in my platform shoes and my cape and I am wearing my eyeliner. I love how dramatic fanfiction Draco is in comparison to ordinary standard narrative Draco that we get in fanfiction Draco is the definition of extra Yes, I love pairing that with Snape because Snape likes to think that he's all brooding and dark and mysterious and moody and nobody understands me and nobody will ever unravel my inner turmoil and of course Draco just sees it and goes, that's a nice act, but can do drama too.

I just and I definitely see, um, you know, Draco's just he's gonna have that stubborn edge like I feel like we like kind of like route that correlation with Snarry Like a lot of times like Harry's stubborn and is trying to like get in with you know, with Severus when I feel like Draco would just be blatantly like this is what I want give it to me because I'm an entitled little shit. And then cyber says like no you don't always get what you asked for and and Draco's just like watch me ropes fall to the floor and he's he's completely naked

classic Severus I must continue like a rich dramatic again I must control my urges I just cannot I Will not I cannot my godson

little guy No, he would grow into such a fine specimen of a man

oh man

and and then also I love the like Snape lives like a you Yes. Where after the war obviously Snape comes forward as a you know, a spy like being for the quote unquote good, you know, like good side. And then Draco a lot of times is written as like having his like redemption arc of he was he was forced into it. Like he didn't necessarily completely align all of his values with it. Like a lot of times Harry obviously, you know, they they grow like not necessarily romantic relationship but, but build a relationship post war because everyone's like it was the war was the war. We were kids, whatever, like it doesn't matter. And so I could see them their relationship growing from that because his father is in, you know, is as far as we know. And as cabanne Most likely, so then Severus if he was in any part of his life throughout, like he's going to maintain like a really close relationship with Him. That's another opportunity for like Dracos older and you know, and this just starting to get away from like, I was just terrified of everything like either like I like he was like a cocky little asshole through school, and then things got real. And then I'm sure he was just completely terrified and wasn't thinking about anything romance. And then, you know, comes later on, like, I could see him just being that person that we went through this together. Like, obviously Draco didn't go through it to the extent that Severus did no one, you know, could have fat, you know, understood what he went through, but at least he could understand Draco. So he would be someone that Draco could feel like he could go to him and understand, you know, especially if he doesn't want to talk or to open up or talk to anyone else about it. I can also see him shutting down and not wanting to talk to anybody and Narcissa being like you need to talk to someone. How about savaris Like it's just like, no, like, doesn't want and then finally When it happens, like, ah, then we, you know, opening up vulnerability eventually fall in love happily ever after voila.

It will because Draco is such an interesting character from that point of view because of course, it's easy for Harry to take the moral high ground because he's had the luxury almost, of having all of that, I suppose counseling, and growing up as the outsider. So he's really had the luxury of being able to choose, I suppose his own moral position. And Draco really hasn't had that. Yes, he's been a spoiled, entitled brat. And he certainly played that part well, but I think when the chips were down, and it required him to actually act on the side of Lord Voldemort, and the Death Eaters. We saw the strain that that put him under, you know, it wasn't that he was waltzing into this with any degree of ease being like, oh, yeah, of course, I'll just use the vanishing cabinet in the Room of Requirement to bring everybody into the school because I have no problems with this whatsoever. He was really struggling with this decision. And he knew that his livelihood would ride on the choices that he made there. So I don't buy that he was just this sort of two dimensional thoughtless sycophant of Voldemort's that was just going along to get along. And so I suppose that's another reason he resents somebody like Harry, is because he's jealous of the capacity of someone like Harry, to have the luxury to have the choice of arriving at his very easy position of moral good from his point of view, right? And so when after the wall when he starts to square all this together, and he's like, Okay, I made some very dark choices, but they almost weren't mine to make because I was pressured into making them. How does that square then with, because some writers will say, Oh, this is where Draco and Harry should get together. And there's room for that as well. I don't want to say that Drake COVID Harry on a pairing that I ship, because let's be fair, I ship everything. But for the purposes of this episode, let's just say that he isn't able to, to use a political analogy crossed the aisle in that regard. And he doesn't find that easy. He's going to go to someone let's say Snape lives, he's going to want to go to someone who has had to make the tough choices, like him for advice for like, How do you square these terrible things that you've done against being the person that you are slash have grown into, and who better is there for him than Snape in that situation?

Absolutely. I mean, it's just, too I also there's also the like, part like it's kind of a two part thing like with Draco like seeing how, like how few relate like how few close relationships like Severus has, like as far as we know, and can see like apart you know, Lucius I guess, you know, kind of as far as like someone who's like a close friend, Dumbledore, you know, to some extent, whether it can be said that they were actually friends or not. So either a Draco could see him as a person of like, like, has no one and either can feel like, see Severus is someone who doesn't have anybody and feel sorry for him and want to be someone, you know, more important to him, or like enjoying the fact that he's one of the only people that Severus talks to or interacts with because yeah, Drake goes Draco and loves that sort of attention. As well as like the fear of ending up alone of like feeling like am I as broken or gone through the, like enough traumas from the war to that kind of are reflected in someone like Severus, who has gone through, up until that point, as far as we know, like no relationships or real connections with anybody and Draco potentially being scared of not being able to have anything real elsewhere because of that example, but then then finding that together, which is also really nice.

Yeah, it is, um, I suppose the wholesome side of that isn't something that I sort of readily jump up, but it is there as well. I mean, they are human characters at the end of the day who have come through trauma. You know, much as I may just want to read porn occasionally. It is it's not realistic for them. mine's to be on porn all the time. And sometimes they're gonna want to, you know, is it not? Well, of course they're characters. So yes, they can have you know, 15 orgasms each day.

Absolutely. Just like it's have come back.

Exactly. It's dripping out of them. Just Just like they just they have to have sex in a wet room because everything just gets too sticky.

Okay, so I have to bring this up, talk to you. So,

oh tiga Coleman. Now I have a tangent.

So, dumpsters are really hard to get right now. So we were lucky to get one for the house. But my husband's parents were doing some spring cleaning and stuff and they couldn't get a dumpster. Apparently, you can go to your local hardware store and buy the Bagster which is essentially an Ikea bag that is ginormous. And it is a dumpster like a portable dumpster. What it is also the size of a bed. So if you're into some very wet and you know stuff. Hey 20 $20 roll that out on your bed. Have your fun, call up, you know, call them up and they'll come and take it away.

I know that is not what I was going to say that you could see Draco's handle on an app being the Bagster.

Also checks so that yeah, so all of this was like when we saw it, like open like in their garage. We're like, huh, so I guess I was into some seats. It would be the perfect way. Like it's, it's got walls. It's like it's just a rollout self contained. Whatever, like go crazy.

So if you want to end up as a human Jackson Pollock painting

Yes. Draco absolutely does.

Well, he's been through a lot, right. I feel like he feels he would need to overcompensate by being extra good to himself and drink. That's very specific ideas about how to achieve that. But also I see now why you want to record in private and why you don't want people around. will literally just talked about like people getting very wet. Oh, Draco never change. Of course. Yeah. You know, speaking about this while we're on the subject, it could be that Snape is particularly, you know, in need of some vigorous support in that area.

I can't stop thinking about I think there's a mayhem that we wrote forever ago, which will just cold and it's hairy and for Renzi. And it's the best it is literally the best it needs to get on a oh three.

I love that one so much.

I don't know why it's taken me so long. So hopefully I can do that. But one of the descriptors was Harry was so full he was gonna burst like like what was it like? Like a whatever a jelly doughnut or Lucky was I it was just it was something else. Oh man. Do you know what like, Oh, funny,

awesome. bonus episode, I will sit and record myself trying to read out loud. Assuming assuming that everybody that contributed to that mayhem is happy enough with me reading it

that for sure. I think that was enthusiastically expressed a long time ago. And there's art someone drew art because they were confused on how they fit together and the frenzy had a human penis and a horse penis and how that worked in regards to where

I remember this art. I remember the detailed discussion about this. And I was very you know, the fan that drew this was very committed to this moment. And I just appreciate that level of dedication and passion is I would struggle to come across that in any other fandom but you know, someone was like, I'm gonna draw for Renzi with two penises, and it's gonna be fun. Domina

because it's like if it has if he has two penises like once in Harry's mouth once in his ass how does this work? Is the penis between his front legs like a human and then the horse penis is between his back legs and they were like in sounded like they were both in the back so does he have just a really long penis that can make its way up

hadn't sale you know is? Is the is the animal one pre hadn't sold on the human one just human?

Yeah, I know. Right? Exactly. We're just like we don't

also biologically I think I'm right in saying that humans are one of the only species not to have a penis bone, which means that they as they get erect, they don't follow a particular sort of straight line. They that's why they sort of well, I don't want to say they get wobbly but you know what I mean? That they don't follow like a straight line upwards whereas whereas I'm reliably informed in other animals that is not the case. This discussion has gone down a very weird road and I would like to

see it wouldn't be Care of Magical shippers

podcast anyway, the point is there's a there's a brilliant way home somewhere with friends with two penises also, we need to do more me this is what this is making me realize we need to actually do some more mayhem that would be nice. Because we need to

see your donut that's what it was.

Oh no. Oh no. As somebody who's somebody who's successfully quite a few Costa donuts in his life I am deeply disturbed by the visceral nature of that image

next time you get one just oh and we'll

get to the costume in my moustache.

Oh my oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Everywhere I'm hard. Snape and Snape and Drake.

We bring this background to Snape and Drake oh right now

well Drake goes they roll out their Baxter Jackson Pollock action and it's just maybe it's a feeder situation where you know Snape is feeding custard every

look, they are they're both entitled to happiness and they get it home as they see fit. And if that whether that involves costed or other other condiments soup we'll leave it at that. But but as you know as a thirsty reader of fanfiction and as a thirsty writer of fanfiction, sort of the consumer at fanfiction I'm curious to know how like the Dinah how you see the dynamic between Snape and Draco playing out in the bedroom. Do you see Snape as more of a top in this situation? Is is Drake home or a bottom? Because I have some thoughts but I'm keen to hear your input.

I absolutely when it comes to them, I definitely see Draco is a bratty bottom or like, or crying because he doesn't want it, you know, really either of those things. But I also I love the idea of any pairing with Severus where he's able to reach a point of trust with someone and is able to give up control to someone else. So I feel like if if there was going to be a switch in that relationship it would come later you know like when it took a while for Severus to feel like he could give himself over to someone not to mention like you know someone younger and like you know trust is huge trust is huge. But so I mean I definitely the primarily what I see what I find and what I you know picture when it comes to the two of them. I definitely you know prefer the draycote bottom Drako intense Dom You know, Severus and that's, you know that I love that but I'll read both I'm good with anything.

See in this situation I do. See Drake hoping a bottom but I see Draco being a DOM from the bottom. So, so very much leaning into the power bottom dynamic of I know what it is that I want and I'm going to get it and I will, I am going to literally power through to get it because I, I see Snape as not necessarily being more reluctant, but just not knowing what he wants quite as much from the get go. Because he's so he's had to live quite a solitary life and be away from all of that for so long, that by the time he gets the space to be himself, and to embrace that side of his nature, it almost must seem a little bit alien to him. So I could see him almost handing the reins over to drag out a bit like Well tell me what you like, and we'll go from there. And then as their relationship develops, and they both get more confident, the balance becomes more sort of centralized, at least initially. I see Draco being very demanding. And very, if something isn't going right, this comedy potential for him pointing out exactly how he wants something to be done. Yes.

So now of course, so I'm picturing so Drake has obviously been trying like trying and trying every little thing like be that like, I mean, I just know that's kind of cracky but also whatever like be that like walking through the room like with you know, just a robe on or just his his tiny pants or like thanks like like, little things to just be like, like what I've just you know, like what there's, you know, just ways to tease him and whatnot and but but becoming more and more like obviously bold and determined because obviously it's like he's always gotten pretty much for the most part of everything that he wanted, like growing up too so to have someone tell him no is really hard for Draco Malfoy you know, so, so part of me is like, okay, Draco would reach the point where it would be a like probably a non con so I'm gonna philia situation where he takes advantage of Snape in his sleep and gets him going and then Snape wakes to Draco having a great time

then, of course ever since just like, like, you know, then he just loses all you know, sense of restraint and it's just like, fine, whatever, like, first horrified and then just like, whatever I've, I'm into this and then I'm gonna feel I'm gonna have huge, like probably a month long self loathing well won't even

look at the thoughts more on Snape though, right? I mean Snape and self loathing go hand in hand. And I feel like he would especially be confused about anyone bringing in happiness, joy, pleasure of any sort. Because it's, you know, he's been quite happy to separate himself from all those things for such a long time. Yeah, that when they come crashing into him, he's gonna have reservations about that he's not going to know what to do about them, much less. I mean, Draco is a very sort of a few Civ character. He's going to be very forward about how he feels and how things are going. And let's say he does take charge, you know, how is Snape going to feel about everything else that's happening to him, not just physically but emotionally. And of course, he's got to go off and be an you know, have his brooding and need to figure out how that works for him. But the question is, how does he emerge from that, like, does he come out of it, being the Snape that we we've sort of come to know and either love or loathe depending on your stance on? Or does he come out of it, being sort of freed in a way from this recalcitrant character of you know, living in his solipsistic little bubble of you know, I need to withdraw from the world and the world cannot touch me. You know, when it when it starts to become that he is very much alive and living in the world. Does he embrace it? And in a very, I suppose, in a slightly cracky way in a real way, it would be fun for him to do that with Draco. Because, you know, like I say they've both been through that trauma of war to get there. And then once they have their Aikido roll out bad thing Draco's like I'm not normally partial to Muggle technology but in this case

Oh Draco but you're like Yeah, exactly. In this case, it's like we have a perfectly good scourge of barrier charms and

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oh my goodness, what was it good to say oh,

so

So coming off of what you were saying part of me when it goes to like say whatever something brings them together like sexually maybe it's like you know, the whole time Severus has been fighting it and he just he's you know been fighting it finally it happens but then be that whether he regrets it or whatnot. I see him when it comes to Draco questioning his motives you know what I mean? Like with Draco is it just like an itch he wants to scratch of like oh, I you know, trying to seduce my you know, like my teacher or my teacher or whatever and then Severus is like is this just some game for him? And I don't want to play the game like I don't want to play a game you know, especially with someone you know younger whatever. But then even if Draco comes forward is like no the reason why I want this is because I have feelings for you. I feel like anyone coming to Severus with those intentions would heed it would take them a while to believe it but I feel like when it comes to someone like Draco even Snape would be hesitant to be like okay, I is this is this really something it's not going to work long term like he's not he's just he can't see he can't see the you know, it's just it would be hard for him to accept it but that's what I love about those sorts of relationships of like you're just fighting fighting, fighting and they're you know, pushing pushing, pushing just because you know, at the end you're gonna get that satisfying, you know, happy and damn them finally coming together. That's probably a reason why I love Severus so much with anybody is the fact that they have to work so hard to get him and so that is just the it's like the chase to like Severus Snape Hart is just like, it's tumultuous. It's crazy. It can be you know, sexy and wild and hurt and all those things and but when it comes to someone like Draco like Draco's personality, I see it a lot and dreary to have like Bing, what's in it for you? Like, what's your, what's your motivations for this? Is it just, you know, just because we happen to be in the same place? And you're just you're horny, like, is that? Is that the only reason or but no, if it's if it's more, it's gonna be really hard to convince, you know, convinced Severus of that.

Yeah. But also, do you think Snape has trouble visualizing and the thing in the long term, because he's been so convinced that there was no long term for him for ages?

Oh, for sure. And I could see him like with anybody, especially someone like Draco like, he sees him as a boy with like, promise and you know, able to like go places and do things and make connections as well as like, he knows Lucius and probably the expectations of the Malfoy family and what they would want for him be that, you know, arranged marriages or, you know, various things like that lots of things can come into play, have reasons why Severus wouldn't, couldn't see it long term because like people, it wouldn't be accepted. It's was it wouldn't be acceptable. It's, he just wouldn't feel like he could have him. You know what I mean? Yeah,

yeah. And I suppose it's, it's coming off the back of the dynamic of what they used to be. Everybody in a in a Harry Potter fan fics situation has to come off the back of the relationships they used to have, and a lot of that comes from the baggage of what they were in school. But like, this is why I love eighth year and up so much is that you stop having to be tied to those old definitions of like professor and student or I know people still write that, but I also love those authors that write them as human people that have gone through stuff. We've seen it with Neville. We've seen it with characters and Like Hermione, you know, Why can the same not also be true of Snape and Draco, just because they're darker characters, or they've made, you know, very questionable dark choices in their past, that doesn't mean that they're not ultimately also a reflection of what they were having to go through at the time. And that's not me excusing what they did. But also squaring that up against maybe a person is worth more than the sum of their actions. And maybe there is more good in them than they've then either of them have really been credited with, and a lot of their frustration and sort of pent up sexual energy, I think can come from this idea of being misunderstood and somewhat underrepresented by the others on the good side. Do you know what I mean? They're like, they're always the underdog. So they're always because they were doing the spy thing. And, you know, sort of batting for both teams that it was like, Oh, well, yeah, yeah. But you weren't really being good, though, because you weren't doing it the same way as we all were. But they had their roles to play in this. And, you know, ultimately, Draco didn't make the choice to kill, and Snape Snape made choices to kill. But arguably, they were unnecessary from a tactical point of view. And he was repulsed into having to make them in the first place. That was why he was arguing with Dumbledore. So I completely get that there's a lot of pent up frustration with these two. And it's easy for me to see why that would boil over into a sexual relationship. Now, I also think that long term that could be something more sustainable between the two of them, but only if Snape comes to his senses and sees that there is more of a future for him then he gives himself credit for

oh, yeah, because I I feel like it would have to be like purely sexual in the beginning like it's just it was it just, you know, I just I just feel like Draco wouldn't settle for waiting for you know, for romance.

Like it once you put it in the no waiting literally put it in me already.

Draco was like fully dressed reading sitting by the fire and then snakes like Okay, I gotta go get something he's gone. Like five minutes comes back. And Draco's naked splayed out. Ready to go.

arrow pointing Oh. Like, Draco is many things, but subtle is not one of them. No.

I think maybe because he's been through the war more recently. He's more in tune with this idea of having to have some sort of therapy to get through all of these emotions that he's feeling. And part of the resolution I think he sees for himself is sex therapy, where it's just like, if I can't talk to anybody about my feelings, I'm gonna have them banged out of me.

I love that. Oh, man. Yeah, so I feel like it would it would it would take some time to maybe like Draco would already be in the mindset of like, this is already our future like our future is happening. Like even if you can't accept it like either.

What do you so extra,

we are living like we are living together like we're you know, we're obviously having sex all the time. Like we eat together, we do all these things together. I also love the idea of like, after the war, Snape doesn't go back to teach because he was forced into that position. You know, like it wasn't necessarily what he wanted to do. It was like it was literally a position that was like unit you come here and I can protect you and do all the things and whatever. I mean, Hogwarts was the place of his childhood, you know, like bullying and things like it's not a place that he likes to be at. So I could see him opening up like an apothecary or like some sort of like potions or something and then Draco being like his apprentice like I see him going into potion earring. A lot of people write him that way as either becoming the new you know potions teacher or you know things like that later on. But then we have you know, the possibility of like Draco wanting to not go the ministry route like go completely different went from what you know, his family would expect of him and then he Snape either like offers like, Hey, I'd be willing to, you know teach you if that's what you wanted. And then that was, you know, an opportunity that opened up into oops, we had sex like, like now we're never gonna speak of it again. And trick was like yeah, like I'm not gonna hint at it all the time and until it happens again like,

yeah, snake was embarrassed Draco wasn't

no. Yeah,

that's definitely that's definitely the dynamic but also Yeah, I could see snake not going back to teach I think if I were in his position I'd be embarrassed. I mean, he was headmaster on the Caros whenever they were torturing or administering the current the the sort of Cruzi artists curse lessons on first years. You know, I do think sometimes because I'm very sad and nerdy, but I think sometimes about those first years, and what that experience of coming to Hogwarts must have been like for them, you know, their experience of Snape is going to be very different from someone who else? Yeah, yeah, who was coming through Hogwarts at a different time. And I could see being very difficult for students like that to forgive him presiding over that kind of cruelty, which is, you know, that's fair. But but coming at this from a, from a sort of a human point of view, and in the interests of healing. I think it would be really interesting if Snape decided that he was going to put his like potion earring talents into, like, healing.

Yes, I was going to talk about that, too. Yes.

Yeah. And the thing that's Mungo's, he could have his sort of like 80s Montage redemption arc. Yeah. As he's coming up with potions, I see it happening. And of course, Draco is there to sort of be his emotional support through this because Snape is so unaware of his own emotions that he doesn't know. He's not intellectually aware that he needs emotional support. He's like, What is this thing you've invented that this is not a need that I have. But then as, as time goes on, and Draco is that for him? He's like, Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, I see why you're here. And, and that's how their relationship develops. Because yeah, initially, I see it being galvanized, you know, through the sort of the melting pot of sex. But it can be other things as well. And the fact that it can be added in a way that isn't only cracky is exciting to me.

I absolutely love the idea of healer Draco as like him wanting to do something to help and heal after all of you know, the horrors he had seen and all the hurt that like his family, like his extended family all had some sort of hand in some really, you know, deep horrors of, you know, like, his name has been dragged through the mud, like finding ways for him to not necessarily like want to be like, re accepted into society. Like I could see him also being like i i can see how I would be undeserving, but I still want to try. And yeah, so that could be part of like, he's going through healer training. And you know, maybe Snape is developing potions or is even, you know, doing things with st Mungo's and opening up with their heart to hearts of how hard it is postwar and how, you know, with everyone just like them being their own sort of, you know, outcasts and things like that. And so yeah, but I love healer Draco, I love when he's like, I want to do something to heal and to help when before everything was very, like, you know, hurt and death and torture. And, you know, it was very different.

Yeah. Because if your worldview has been really self centered up into a point, until you realize and I think I'm thinking of that scene, where Voldemort murders charity, Burbidge up up Malfoy Manor, and Draco is witness to that. So Open to open till a point, he has been very comfortable in his own bubble, his own little sense of entitlement, if you want to call it that, and he hasn't had to think about other people really. And then, through a series of events, the world comes knocking at his door, and he's like, Oh, my actions are having all my interactions, even having direct consequences on people and places that I care about. And that, you know, sets off a chain reaction in him that admittedly we don't see very much of in the movies, but I could see him you know, knew that that shift in him starting from that point where he then becomes over time, more and more interested in ways to be, well to look outward or other people to consider the wider world to maybe look at, you know, the Muggle world again, in a different light and see that otherness isn't necessarily this stain on society that he thought it was. But that in that in that openness, actually is his capacity for redemption. And I think I agree with you. I like healer Draco, but I like it for that reason. But it's born out of a desire to be something that he inherently wasn't at school. And you know, we've talked about this before, where I have issues, judging characters based on the moral decisions they make when they're 16 and 17 years old, because, like the decisions I would have made at 16, andata, a reflection of who I am now. Yeah. So would I want to be judged by those parameters? Of course not. But then of course, I'm not going to live to 150.

That's true.

What if it had transpired that Snape wasn't working with the Order of the Phoenix? And in fact, instead of triple crossing people, he had double cross them and was working with the Voldemort Bellatrix side of the coin? Do you think Draco would have an easier time of it? ending up with Snape as he would otherwise? Like, what what's the decision making process there? Is it just a snoopers Snoop and I love him for who he is or is there more consideration going on?

So I think with that there, we we get some of that like in the what does it have lead prints like he Draco is obviously very like mistrusting of Snape whereas otherwise they would have they had like a good you know relationship you know slithering head of house whatnot if but at this point like if he if he was still you know, playing the two sides and Draco wasn't aware of it until later I don't know I just Yeah, cuz I don't know how would How would snipes behavior be different? Would it be different? Because is I guess it would be because he would be genuinely behaving and acting in a way that he believed in versus manipulating a situation so Severus would be definitely have been more long term present in Draco's life and like Draco grew up knowing and believing certain things. So at this point, you could see like, okay, these are two characters who aren't being redeemed, there's just two characters that are moving forward together and happen to you know, end up together because of reasons. So with that, I mean, I think that that which is just like any sort of experience of like, oh, when anyone else would fall for someone that's either like a close friend or someone they know within you know, their their comfortable environment like it I mean even just there's there's not they're among their people like they're among the same people that it they there's that goes on and said it's not like worrying about how different each other are, I'm trying to like I don't know how to describe it other than that doesn't become a factor anymore. Like they're just people that believe and think the same things and things are happening around them is relation to that and there they would just be different people both of them would definitely be different people obviously, if Draco saw that there weren't any you know, any people to like, show him to think differently. Like especially if everyone that he loved and respected be that his parents or his aunt or because I always like to think that Bella was very affectionate with Draco and was all like even though she was an ask cabanne for a long time when she got out or before that even like she when she was able to meet and be a part of her you know, nephews like life she never as far as we know. They never had their own children. So I love that idea of her being like oh sissies little boy and wanting to you know be a part of that so I just I feel like Draco would the situation is interesting because it still could be like okay, there's these terrible terrible people together but there's also like they have love for each other too. So it's just it's a complex other side of things have like they have some skewed thinking but they do you know, they they can they're, you know, they're allowed and there's nothing wrong with them finding love within that sort of environment.

Sure. Um, And I suppose I asked that question because I know some humans who have fallen in love got into relationships, and then one person in the relationship has almost sort of completely changed their political view, or religious view, or whatever it happens to be to almost accommodate this other person. Yes. out of, I suppose, from their point of view, it's a grand gesture, a welcoming in of, you know, if I accept this person, I accept everything about them. And if they want to live life this way, then I am also going to behave that way. And if Snape stayed dark, I can see Draco making that leap personally, because I see him being doing it in a sort of a dramatic way where he's committing to the character. And this is this is how I see him making that choice of like, Yes, I can do this, I'm committing to the moment. Ya know, and I don't want to just have that bear cracky thing where I like, undervalue the seriousness of what goes on if both of them stay dark, because I know that they're capable of doing very evil things. And I know that certain people write them that way, and enjoy it as well. So I want to give a shout out to those writers. Because just because I like emotionally resolved, fluffy, very sexy stuff doesn't mean that you have to write it that way. And my views on a ship, whether it's this ship, or any ship that we've ever talked about, are not prescriptive, they're just my views. I'm not trying to convince anyone you know, I'm not being sponsored by anyone. This is just

I am sponsored by fluffy Draco Malfoy.

And his little dumpster, portable dumpster.

Oh, God, I hope that makes a regular cup back. So I just thought it was so funny that both me and my husband immediately looked at that, like, Huh.

It's just, it's the way your mind works, because we were talking about calm and then you immediately went to dumpsters? Like, I see what you did. See how that link was? Me? Yes, I too, have ventured on the dark side of Tumblr. I know. To what to refer, but yes. My point. My point is, I suppose why I suppose why these characters are so great, is because they're so nuanced. And there's so many sides to them. And that's why people keep coming back to them. And why if you ship the ship, you ship it hard. Because there's so many, like, we we've talked at length about the sexy aspect of things. But there's so many ways these two characters can get together and stay together that you know, I never used to think like this. Because, you know, being a filthy cannon purist has its disadvantages. Whenever you're whenever you sort of see the the novels as sacrosanct as I used to, then you have a hard time looking at characters outside of their cannon selves, right, but, but then, once you start acknowledging that these characters can have a life of their own, things start to become not only fun, but a better reflection of the kind of people we are and times we live through. And maybe I just like the ultra sexy stuff, because I want to have my own portable dumpster

going on jungle right now, where can I find a bag?

Yeah, not necessarily a man just a bikes.

So I'm ready when said

I'll be prepared. It's okay. I look, I'll be on Grindr and I'll just be like, No, give me 10 minutes to roll it out.

Someone comes in and pulls it out like what the heck is like okay, you know you've been to IKEA and you know, you want to take home everything so this stops everything comes from separate pieces like you need to Holloway.

So, so have you seen the meme on it's like it's of a A guy in a harness, but it's it's like oh made of IKEA bags. And it's like when you're kinky, but you're on a budget

Oh, fantastic. Okay, so I remembered the thing that I, like tell me about dealing with like, with like, inheritance and stuff like that. Okay, so I also love especially with Snape, which we talked about in the state chat episode, is marriage law thick. So like when you know, do you have to be forced into a marriage and therefore that obviously influences you being in relationship with someone. So I think of Draco as like potentially, Severus being someone that either the Malfoy is trusted enough to then be like, Okay, I know I want to make a connection even though you're a half blood, even the prince line is like very prominent, like sometimes, snakes like grandparents come out, like say like his mother was disowned when she married a Muggle but the princes are still a prominent family. So when Snape comes into his inheritance, he has, you know, he, he may still he still has spinners and or he's still a professor or whatever, but he has, you know, that status, he's still the head of the house of Prince, you know what I mean? So that's a opportunity for potentially Draco to become betrothed or in some fashion tied to to Severus because he has those connections that could benefit their family, either post war when the Malfoy name is like, you know, has been shamed or whatever, like anything to pull Draco out of where he is to like, it's like, oh, he has to obviously rely on a different name because the Malfoy name isn't, you know, what it used to be. So that kind of plays into when I was picturing like, oh, they, for some reason, they have to be forced to, like, live together or share a space like, oh, that's where it can, you know, it could fit in that way if for whatever reason, they were forced into some sort of marriage contract and then the whole time Severus is thinking about like, Okay, we need to find our ways out of this because obviously, Draco This isn't what Draco wants, this is what his parents wanted. And, and I was willing to do it for whatever reasons, or they neither of them had a choice, but they were I could see Severus wanting to find a way to get out of it. And then maybe Draco did too because he just like I can't believe that my parents married me to my you know, teacher or someone, you know, 20 years older than me whatever reason, but then eventually obviously falling for him and then not wanting it to end but then Severus just being like, no, no, no, like you're giving up so much of like, You're so young. Like there's so much more out there. And Drake was just like, No, this is actually I couldn't imagine anything better than what we have together. So,

so I love that

the idea of because love transcends all boundaries.

Yes, exactly. So yep, so marriage, marriage law force proximity, like get those people to share a space and obviously fail try and kill each other first and then and then they'll have angry sex and then

they'll fall in love and it'll just be great.

I was gonna say I need that as a rom com. But yeah, but if that was good, it was gonna be like a rom com but then with an X rated section. I wouldn't be mad at that either. Now I just have a question though. Whenever you're picturing sexy Snape Are you picturing out in driver? That's a yes. Just smiling, like wistfully like thinking to yourself like Who do I picture sexy

yes I love the idea of Adam Driver as as Snape even though it's like I usually picture him as like obviously super tall really skinny on the verge of like malnourished like it's just this tall skinny like but but yeah when I love Adam Driver is I just love fitting him in as a headcanon like once in a while with different it depends on the ship it depends on the story and I still love that meme you made for me it's I go back to it all the time and reference it so much when it's like Achilles and then his heel and then whatever guy in his hair and then it's like mags and that a picture of Adam drive for like every hero or every like legend has their weakness or something that was that killed me and it still kills me.

Just in this scenario, I ever heard a time casting Draco, because it requires such presence such a command and have an awareness of one's own sense of ego to be able to pull that off. And I don't know, I don't know who I would cast as Draco. But as a slightly different suggestion to our listeners, I'm going to say if you have headcanon castings for dramatic fanfiction Drako send those tours at Care of Magical shippers podcast gmail.com Because I really want to know who you would cast opposite Adam Driver driver in this yeah

yes who would be without a driver or yeah tweeted us that's really easy. Magical ship pod just send us a tweet send us photos. I don't I don't care who it is. But yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, cuz I love Tom Felton, but it's like Tom Felton created his own unique you know, Draco just like the books have the Draco Tom Felton has like his movies Draco but then when fanfiction like I just I definitely picture someone totally different. Just like I have never pictured Snape when reading anything as Alan Rickman like just like I can appreciate him as Snape in the movies, but it's literally like I only see him as Snape in the movies. I've never seen him whenever I see him used in stories be that like mood boards or cover art or whatever. I'm like, I'm like caught off guard because I'm like, that's not that's not Snape. Like, just because that's not the you know, the state that I picture. So yeah,

so I'm intrigued by this, though, is that because you were reading the books when you were younger? And you had this sort of formative idea of who Snape should be before you ever saw the movies? Or is it because you see fanfic Snape is somebody entirely different.

It's definitely from reading the books like before the movies and having and because Alan Rickman is character is so different from the book Snape because he's like, yeah, he made the character likable. Like he was obviously still brilliant. He did a great job. But when you read the books or listen to the audio books, like that's what I pretty much did. It's like you're just reminded how like, how nasty his character is, and like how he's described,

he's terrible.

But even so, like I think he's described with like a goatee, or you know, something like, I don't remember how it was described at some point somewhere, but I'm like, I don't see that either. But it's what I pictured for all of the characters as like, an 11 through you know, whatever. 18 year old as the books came out is definitely what I consistently see in my head. Like when I'm reading fanfiction, like I don't picture for the most part. I think one of the only ones that I know there's there's a couple like Maggie Smith as McGonigal. I'm like, okay, yes, like I like I see. Yeah, think of her and I'm like she was a great McGonagall. Like, technically too old if you're going you know, off of like Canon. But I loved her and then of course, who they like cast for Hagrid like making a Haggard's to see how grids character in real life like helped create a character that I couldn't necessarily picture because you're like, oh, yeah, like a man who's like four people wide and two men tall and Bobe like you're just I mean at least like even though he's really tall and he's not to the size extent that the book describes like he's still a big guy so I can still picture him I'd be like, Oh, that's my Hagrid and so there's a couple characters that it now in the movies like it's still kind of a cartoon in my brain if that makes sense. But But yeah, I just yeah Snape for me is very usually very strictly like a really tall looming skinny dude like just like you know pale and skinny Long Point like pointy features is hooked nose like long you know long greasy hair. Greasy oily greasing himself through

with his sallow waxy skin which you know, every single description of Snape is just like he's emaciated yeah pale face.

Who doesn't want it? Yeah, exactly it just so but I love that about him and I just like it's yeah, it's it's I love I love him that way I just do but I also love the idea of Adam drivers Snape too. Like that's, that's super fun. Also,

that's fair. I also thought they deliberately leaned into that idea of character when they cast Ezra Miller in Fantastic Beasts, because he sort of fits that type as well. He's the sort of pale face long black hair pointed nose.

Funny because yeah, in that in the Last movie when he was shown with the long hair, I'm like, that's just young Severus was like Ezra would be an amazing like marauders era Severus Snape like oh, it would be so great. Yeah, I was like that's that's Snape. That's Snape. I just Yep. Like that character is going to die because that's obviously what's going to happen and then reincarnation is obviously as rare can also play shit together and is no longer whatever person he is.

Yeah, leaving, you know the personnel issues that we hope they get resolved and yes, just just in terms of character. Yes. He played a very familiar kind of character I want to say and I feel that that was deliberate. But also when you were talking about Tom Felton coming up with his own kind of Draco. I definitely feel like he did that because his Draco isn't the Draco we see in the books. The Draco we get in the books is a lot more posh, he's a lot more entitled He's a lot more of a mummy's boy. He's very codified, as you know, someone that, you know, went to a very posh school and was used to just the finer things in life, I think. And Tom Felton was able to imbue the character with a kind of a roguish charm that I think a lot of people responded to. But then in terms of fanfic, Draco, it requires even a bigger leap. Because that character is so extra is so like, the literal definition of Camp is often like How often has like glittery eyeshadow is wearing a cape and platform boots is just a statement piece in and of themselves. So I would really love to know from our listeners who they see in that role opposite somebody like either Adam Driver, or Ezra Miller.

Hmm, love that. Love that here for that. Ah, all right. What is there anything else we wanted to cover?

I feel like I've more or less covered everything that I wanted to say.

Yeah, I think so too. I mean, obviously i i I'm also here for just some like plain old like, teacher detention. Punishment porn just as absolutely full wrap up this episode with punish naughty boy. Mr. mouthful.

This is the last time you cross me.

Gosh, oh, man.

Oh, do we've been wild. This episode has been our smelting ghost filming us nasty stuff.

Yeah. It just goes to show the growth of I mean, even just like us, like both of us, but also like me with like, when I if I thought about what I started reading when I was, you know, exposed to fanfic, like, I mean, it started with like, fanatical fics cracky you know, stuff and like, you know, very, like wholesome and, and like slow burn, but like romance novels, the type of stuff and now I'm just like, nothing. There's, I see no bounds as far as content goes. And a lot of times they'll be done with something and like, I cannot believe I read that and really liked it.

Like, exactly, exactly. I could read 130,000 words of just porn. Yeah, just porn. And let's be happy with it.

Absolutely. So yeah, so that was super Bagster

We've both been on a journey. And it's fitting that on your birthday, we celebrate the small TSR you'd have our enjoyment of the community because there is some great smart. I mean, I have been reading some horror novels written by an English author, I think in the 1980s. And the horror aspects of them are very good. It's very well written, but there are some sex scenes in there. And they make me laugh because I'm so used to reading like high octane fanfic vaccines that whenever there's like, slightly time mentioned of, like, on getting somebody's blouse, I'm like, oh, please just get to it. Just rip it off buttons

everywhere.

Oh man, but it is funny when it comes to other fandoms or like original works or things like that to be like, Oh, they don't have magic. Yes, there are no shortcuts.

Exactly. And, you know, sometimes I do appreciate magic for the ability to, you know, conjure lube out of nowhere. Yeah, you know, certainly clothes aren't there anymore. And it's just like, This is so handy. Why don't we have this

Oh, wow. Oh, well, this was so much fun. I love that. It was I just loved it. Well, to start we were like, I mean, this happens a lot where 10 minutes before we're even starting I'm like wrapping up Snape chat. And so I asked Nathan Hey, what do you want to do? And and even the two options that I think you gave then we went I went completely away from and then now we did we're like, yeah, Severson serious, and then hey, you know what?

We've never started an episode and then five minutes in gone. Do you know what we're gonna do a different episode. Introduce this episode as snack and to be fair listeners, I feel like you got a tasty dish. It's what you were expecting.

It still feels like it's still snack. Whoa

it was definitely a meaty mouthful

custard doughnuts to be had.

I'm gonna look on our page next and there's just gonna be like your Costa donut merch was successfully

Oh my God, I need to draw. It's literally gonna be a cluster leaking.

No, don't do this to me.

It's gonna have a hello my name is Drake

I used to be a respected academic and now I'm talking about becoming a human Jackson Pollock paint item rollout dumpster What have you done

I love you Nathan. I love this podcast wow,

you know, I just keep coming back for more. I'm like, I'm like Snape in this situation. I don't know why I'm enjoying myself. But I just keep coming back for more every time. Like,

oh, man, oh, tears. So yeah. So thank you listeners for sitting through that. Whatever that is if you made it all the way till now. And once again, who knows if I'll be in the next episode, because I'm still luckily I was able to record today because my parents were out of town. Otherwise it would be another week. It would have been not I wouldn't have been able to be a part of it. Which is really sad. But so far we've done super great. I mean, we had the one with Danny because you had the crazy concert. But no, but it's been it's been it's been good. Like, I mean everything has been working out great so far. So hopefully, you know, we'll we'll see how it goes as far as next time. So yeah, so thank you listeners definitely, you know either send us an email or tweeted us like your thoughts on you know the dinette dynamic and why you would ship you know Snape and Draco Do you have any fanfiction Rex that you have? Who do you picture as you know, the Draco in this situation? Like we'd love to, you know, see all those face casts and things like that. So, so yeah, let us Yeah, send them out to us.

And even if you don't want to just directly get in touch, just know that we love you. And we are so like every single time I come back to this. I'm just so heartened by the community. Everybody is just so lovely. You're the reason why we do this. Thank you for chuckling along with me. It's just really great. Thanks for being here. We appreciate you.

So until next time to read

we don't have a sign off again. Please, just crushing to light.

Until next time Drako is still a custard donut Bye Oh Oh Oh man.

Oh wow

tastic

okay

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