So this, this person was a retired executive. Lots of time on their hands, and they wanted to start a community garden. So they created this massive binder, and they had been tracking their time. They had spent 700 hours on the plan for the garden. They had gotten land from the local government, provided, they had put together, like planting schedules, volunteer schedules, everything, but the executive director was not on board. She was like, I don't think we need it. So we invited him to be a part of the team, part of the process. So they went out and started interviewing people. Because what was fascinating is this organization was telling community members and fundraising around the fact that they lived in a food desert, but we started talking to people, learning about their diets and shopping access. They were not in a food desert. They had a rainbow of vegetables and fruits. They had pretty healthy diets. They felt pretty well connected to resources. So we were kind of serving that up to the leadership and to this board member, and he still would not take it. He still was like, okay, no, we gotta do it. We thought, okay, Twilight's Zone moment. Let's keep going. So we said, what else has to happen? And we said, volunteers. You have to have volunteers to make this happen. You don't, you don't have farmers showing up to do this. So we made him send out a message to his network alone, and about 80 people in his network said, I'm there for you. This is awesome. I'll volunteer. We said, okay, we need to raise the hurdle. We need that make that hurdle bit higher and say, Okay, you need to come to this meeting at this opportunity, and you're going to sign up for your volunteer spot. So we really wanted them to commit. Only three people came to the meeting, and I joked that one of them was his wife, so she doesn't quite count in this. Two of all those buddies that were like, I'm with you. We're really with you, and that's why we have to test these solutions. So this person, this board member, he came to me want to have a private chat, and he cried. He cried in the meeting, and he was so ashamed and felt so guilty about the amount of time he had spent and had derailed the organization with this conversation, with this focus, that he was like, I've gotta step away. He left as a board member, he stepped away from the organization. But the the value that that executive director, you know years and years ago, said, is anytime now, anyone comes to me with an idea, I now can say we value our resources, we optimize our resources, and we value our community and our team. So if you have an idea, join me in identifying what we need to learn and going to talk to people and be involved. And I invariably, about half the time, those people then fade into the background because they're like, oh no, I just had the idea. I'm not I'm not going to do work. Bye,