[21] Amitabha's Light: Mantra Techniques for Lucid Dream Induction

8:41PM Apr 14, 2025

Speakers:

Katie Love

Keywords:

Lucid Dreaming

deity mantra

Amitabha Buddha

Om Mani Padme Hum

dream stabilization

Vajrayana Buddhism

Tibetan Tantra

mantra practice

lucid dream induction

Bardo yoga

Pure Land Buddhism

dream yoga

mantra repetition

dream lucidity

spiritual practice.

Okay,

hey, welcome everybody. All right, welcome back. See a lot of familiar faces. Brings us great joy. Thank you for being here this morning. Everyone, yeah, hopefully everyone is surviving well and thriving in a in our world, in our world, our state of transition. So welcome to another edition of Lucid Dreaming induction group, and we're going to get started with some announcements and updates. Katie,

thank you, Bodhi, so I just wanted to give you all a brief update regarding this transition that nightclub is in from the old website to the new platform, which has been somewhat challenging, actually, because the new platform circle has been taking longer than expected to allow the migration to begin. So we appreciate you all being here and hanging in there with us as this transition happens. I keep hearing different things, like it's going to happen tomorrow, and then it doesn't. So I think the best thing is just to be patient and recognize this Bardo that we're in. But we're thinking it's highly likely that it will happen between now and our next Lucid Dreaming induction group. So by the time our next Lucid Dreaming induction group starts, we'll be in that new platform, and this group will be behind the pay wall, along with all the other groups of nightclub. So if you have any questions about that, I just ask you to write those down and bring them to the Q and A at the end of our time together here and again. Thank you so much for being here during this rocky transition. And so that being said, I'll, I'll pass it back to you, Bodhi for the poll.

All right. This is that time of month that I really enjoy. We're gonna put a poll up for you guys. If you would feel inclined to help us by just giving us some information on just three questions. Yeah, so take a look at those and and see what you think, see what Feels good fits for you. All right.

Fantastic. Thank you. Thank you for participating.

All right, I see one of the questions might be a clue of what we might be talking about today. Good, okay, Chelsea, what do you think are good

or 19 out of 20? So I'm gonna end the poll.

Beautiful, yeah.

Good call feeling into that time and Bodhi. So the first question is, diet mantra is part of my Lucid Dreaming practice. So six out of 19 people said yes. 11 out of 19 people said no, and then three out of 19 people said, unsure. So we'll go deeper into that practice today. So you'll leave today learning more about the Adi mantra practice and how to integrate that into your Lucid Dreaming work. Second question, I had at least one lucid dream in the past month, eight out of 17 people said, yes. What? Fantastic, yeah. Seven out of 17 people said no, and then two out of 17 people said, unsure. So we repeat this every time. Time, because we think it's so important to have Lucid Dreaming community and to be able to explore Am I having? Is this a lucid dream? What is this experience that I'm having? So feel free to bring it up if you feel comfortable in the Q, a, and we can talk about it together and see if your experience was a lucid dream. And then, oh, for some reason the pool did a different question. That's quite funny, but we'll just go with it again. This is a dream stabilization techniques are part of my Lucid Dreaming practice. It actually works with what we're talking about today, because mantra is a stabilization technique. So eight out of 17 people said yes, six out of 17 people said no, and three out of 17 people said unsure.

So, beautiful, beautiful, wonderful. Thank you everyone for participating in that really helps us out, and we get to celebrate as a community, lucid dreams. So thank you very much.

Yeah, and I also just want to add, if anyone had their first lucid dream in the past month, to please either put it in the chat or bring it up in the Q and A. We always love to hear about that and track that. So invitation for that as well.

Yes please. We enjoy that. All right, everybody, thank you for doing that poll, and I believe for the content portion, we're going to start with Chelsea.

Thank you, Bodhi. See here we get my view Correct. I can see all of you. There we go. So as you may have guessed, today we're going to be talking about deity mantra practice and how it's related to Lucid Dreaming, how you can actually use deity mantra in your practice to induce and stabilize lucid dreams. So the practice of deity mantra is actually from Vajrayana Buddhism, particularly Tibetan Tantra. And while these practices have deep spiritual significance, we'll focus today on their potential to influence our dream state. Deity mantras are really a powerful method for waking up the mind, the body and energy to transform ordinary perception and cultivate enlightened qualities that are within ourselves. Always, mantras really act as a form of voluntary rebirth practice, because they can shape the mind in intentional ways. This connects to Lucid Dreaming, because both practices involve consciously directing mental activity. We're always reciting mantras. They can be habitual samsaric mantras, like me, me, me, AI, mine, my mind. So we really want to replace those samsaric, habitual mantras that we have with these sacred sounds of the universe, so that we can cultivate these enlightened qualities within ourselves. With consistent practice, mantras will actually start to recite you. They'll start to do you. You'll notice that you just begin chanting the mantra throughout the day. If you really have integrated this practice into your own body, mind, heart, they aren't just a technique, but it's really a way of cultivating to a deeper wisdom within ourselves. And through practicing mantra during the waking hours, it can actually translate into greater dream stabilization and induce lucidity. So for example, I have been practicing with Om Mani, Padme Hum for a long time now, a pretty long time feels like long time. Got a good relationship with that mantra, and it's related to me to Bardo yoga, and it's translated into my Lucid Dreaming practice, because Andrew taught me that if we are in waking life, and we might be experiencing something like accidental death. What do you do if there's a quick death that's going to be happening? People have asked that question in the preparing to die program, for example, and he's recommended that you think. At the top of your head and you chant Om, Mani, Padme Hum. It's a way of directing your consciousness, right? And so how this has shown up for me in Lucid Dreaming is I will go to bed and I will be chanting Om, Mani, Padme Hum, Om, Mani, Padme Hum, sometimes that will translate into a lu just moving into a lucid dream, inducing lucid dream in that way. And it can also stabilize a dream, stabilize lucidity. So I've had dreams before where I'm non lucid, and maybe there's a there's a car that goes off of a cliff, and then it's slowly moving, falling. And then, because I've created this habit of chanting this mantra in my dream, I start chanting, Om, Mani, Padme Hum. Om Mani, Padme Hum. And in that moment I become lucid, and in that moment I can change what's happening in the dream, and maybe I can fly, or maybe I can float, or maybe I can turn into a bird. So that's one way that we can use these mantras in our dreams to really stabilize, to awaken lucidity through these sacred sounds,

they work on the subtle levels, really reconfiguring our energy systems and evoking A kind of resonance with these awakened qualities within us. And I love what Andrew likes to say about mantras. He calls them the first wireless communication system. And he'll relate to mantras. He'll call them the email address of the Deity. So you're calling in that deity when you're using these mantras, they're they're really profound sounds that help us connect to the deeper dimensions of our mind and reality. So today, we're going to be talking about Amitabha as mantra, which is om AI. Wai and it really can be used for purifying passion within ourselves. And we're going to talk a little bit more how this particular mantra can be used as a way to help us in our Lucid Dreaming practice, help us induce lucid dreams. So this particular mantra is really an invocation. It's a way to connect with the qualities and the blessings of Amitabha Buddha. It's really a powerful and widely used mantra in pure land Buddhism, serving as a means of connecting with Amitabha and the Buddha's compassionate energy and cultivating the path to enlightenment. It's Amitabha Buddha is known as the Buddha of Infinite Light and infinite life. He really embodies compassion, wisdom, pure awareness that transcends all limitations and all of that is always within ourselves, in pure land, Buddhism. Because I'm sure there's a few of you that either know this or are wondering about this, and I'm just going to mention it briefly. So in pure land, Buddhism, chanting, Amitabha mantra, is often done with the aspiration to be reborn in his pure land, which is COVID, which is a realm of bliss and enlightenment. If you want to know more about that particular Pure Land, I highly recommend you go to one of Andrew's retreats, he knows so much about pure lamp Buddhism, and it's a beautiful experience to really learn from him and ingest the material from him. And part of the reason why I'm sharing all this context with you is when we're chanting a deity mantra, it's very important to have a connection to that deity. And I know all of you, maybe you have a deity that you practice with. Maybe you're already chanting with Amitabha. Maybe this is the first time you've heard of this. Really, just allow yourself to feel the qualities and not get stuck on unknowing, all of these things that I've just shared with you, but really try to feel that compassion, that pure awareness, that wisdom inside yourself as we're going through the practice. So as you can see, Katie just put up a slide. It has the mantra, which is, om AI Deva Kri. And I'm going to be guiding you through a short Lucid Dreaming induction technique that Andrew actually taught me a couple of years ago, relating to. Amitabha and this particular mantra. So what we'll do is we'll just take a meditation posture, make sure that you're comfortable, because we'll go through this brief practice. There will be a little bit of spaciousness, and then Katie will actually be taking us into a deeper practice. So really make sure that you're comfortable where you are right now, if you can get into a space where you can close your eyes, and when you are doing this practice in your bed, you're going to be laying down right so just keep that in mind, you don't have it. You can be sitting, seated up, but you can also be laying down when you're doing this practice for Lucid Dreaming. And this particular practice is usually done when you're in the bed. So you're in the bed, you've done your practices, you're kind of getting closer closer to sleep. It's like a way of of going down deeper into sleep, of clearing out your channels once again before descending. And what we do is we imagine Amitabha on our heads. And you can visualize Amitabha there, if the visualization is accessible to you, and you can also have feelingization, you can feel Amitabha is compassion, pure awareness, wisdom there on top of your head. And what we'll do is we will then move Amitabha down through our central channel, through our head, through our throat, into our heart, while we're chanting the mantra, and then we release Amitabha out through our heart, feeling all of those enlightened qualities. And as Amitabha is leaving our heart, he is these little, tiny amitabhas coming out of our heart. So he's no longer large. He's these little blessings of compassion going out into the universe. And when we're doing the practice, we're going down with Amitabha. And what we'll do is we'll say Om ai devakri, om ami devakri, as we're moving down, and chant it seven times together. And then we'll feel it go out of the heart, and then we'll stay in some silence for a little bit, and then we'll continue on to Katie's practice. So I'm going to guide us through the actual practice. Now I just wanted to give all of you some context of where we're going first, so and if it's easier for you to keep your eyes open so that you can see me moving down, so you can see the pace that I'm going then that is an option as well. So what we'll do is we'll become comfortable in our scene. We'll just take a moment to relax. Close your eyes.

Now begin to imagine Amitabha

sitting on the top of your head.

And as we're doing this practice to bring more potency to it. I'm going to invite you afterwards to dedicate the merit of this particular practice to somebody that's in our community who recently transitioned.

His name is Pierre,

and this particular mantra was deeply connected to him and his practice. So I'll guide you through the practice, and then as the little Amitabha Buddhas the blessings of compassion are going out into space, into the universe. We'll be thinking of peer transitioning in the Bardos. So Amitabha is on your to top of your head. You.

Once again, feel into those enlightened qualities,

and we will begin to chant the mantra

as we move down the central channel seven times,

om ai de Wai om AMI, Deva Kri om AMI, Deva Kri om Ami. De wa Sri, WA Kri om ami de wa Kri om ami de wa Kri om ami de wa free

now feel a Metta ba the compassion coming out of your heart. Dedicate the merit of this practice

to Pierre

and sit In that space

of these enlightened qualities of Amitabha, you,

now Katie will continue the practice.

Thank you. Chelsea, someone asked a very beautiful question in the chat, which is the about the meaning of the different syllables of this mantra, and so I want to share that with you. So OM is the syllable of the eternal world. AMI is the syllable of the Infinite Light, day. Wa connects the six realms to your true nature. So it brings this mantra into the earth and into your earthly experience. So it's that connection between the spiritual and then the six realms of the below. And Hui is the syllable for compassion, self respect and dignity. So you can see how it goes from eternal world to the infinite light, to the six realms, to that quality of compassion that emanates spontaneously from all of us. So I'm going to now guide us into the rhythmic version of this mantra so that we can get a sense of really dropping into the feeling of it and the sound of it in a deeper way. And the version I'm going to guide us into is the diminuendo, decrescendo version of the mantra. So we'll have five layers. The first will be chanting the mantra at allowed normal volume, the second round will be chanting the mantra at a quieter volume. Then we'll drop into a whisper, followed by internal recitation, so just inside the mind. And then we'll drop into silence, and we'll rest in a silent meditation for a few minutes. And the invitation with the mantra, working with the mantra in this way, is to deeply, allow yourself to feel the sounds and. And to let the mantra start to work with you as much as you're working with the mantra. So I'm going to be chanting it at a rhythmic, consistent pace, and I want to invite you if you notice that your voice wants to do something different to allow that to happen. So let the mantra move in you however it wants to move in you. One suggestion I have. I've been working Bodhi and I have been working more with proper breathing techniques, and breathing in through the nose is, in general, healthier for all of us than breathing in through the mouth. So I'm going to do the mantra at a pace that allows a nose breath in between each cycle of the mantra. So it'll look somewhat like this, om ai de wa ri. Om AI ri, so it allows that inhalation through the nose to come through, which I think is overall better for our health, and also as we're transitioning between the different levels of volume with the mantra, I'm going to give a cue, so I'll just pull up my screen again here. So as we transition between loud and quiet and between quiet and whisper, what I'll do is I'll lengthen the free at the end so it'll sound like this, Om, AI, te wa ri om. AI mean, te wa ri om, aI mean, te, WA, Ri, and that length and heat free will be the cue that we're transitioning to the next level down. When we get to the Whisper level, I'm going to give a cue of just one word. So I'll say from the Whisper level, I'll say internal and that will cue us to go to the internal recitation, and then from the internal recitation, I'll say drop into silence. And throughout this whole mantra, the intention isn't to reach for or to try to feel compassion. It's more about surrendering and letting go and letting that natural, spontaneously arising compassion that is inherent in each of us arise, letting that come forth. So when we drop into the silence, imagine that you are just simply resting in this quality that is already inherent in you and in all of us, wonderful.

So let's

begin the mantra now, and the invitation is once again, to find a comfortable seat, meditative posture. If you're able to place the soles of your feet on the earth, on the ground beneath you, then do that, and you can rest your hands gently on your thighs, face up or face down, or you can rest one palm on top of the other in your lap.

Invite a gentle alertness to your posture, but simultaneously a sense of relaxation and openness within this alertness, can close your eyes and feel your shoulders slightly pulled back as a way of emphasizing the openness of the heart. Take a moment to drop into your body and into this present moment you

Go ahead and inhale through your nose to prepare for the mantra and

om aI mean te wa ri om AMI te wa ri om Amin te wa ri om AMI te wa ri om AI te wa ri om AMI te wa ri om AMI te wa ri Om AMI te wa ri om aI mean te wa ri om AMI te wa ri om AMI te wa ri om AMI te WA ri om AMI te wa ri om AI te wa ri om, aI mean te wa ri om, ami te wa ri om. AMI te wa ri om, ami te wa ri om, AI ri om, AI ri om, AI ri om, ami, te wa ri om AMI te WA, RI om AMI te WA. Ri om AMI te wa ri om AMI Tewari. Om AI ri om AMI te wa ri om, AI ri om AMI te wa ri om AMI te WA ri om AMI

ri Om, AI Om, AI

om, Internal recitation And

Silence And

slowly begin to deepen your breath.

Bring some subtle movements to your fingers and your toes.

If it feels good, you can stretch your arms and your legs, bringing some stronger movement back into the body,

and in your own timing, slowly and gently, blink your eyes open

lovely. I just want to share that the mantra practice is such a powerful practice. It's a practice that I frequently engage. However, whenever I'm going to be teaching about mantra, I do it more frequently than usual, and I always notice an increase in my frequency of lucid dream. Teams in this experience. So I just want to encourage if it speaks to you, to work with this mantra or other mantras that resonate for you. And yes, we will now transition into discussion, Q, a open sharing with Chelsea.

Thank you, Katie,

I wanted to just presence a couple of things in the chat. Barry shared that today is Amitabh Buddha day on the Tibetan calendar. Just just such a beautiful synchronicity. So thank you so much Barry for sharing that brought me lots of joy when I read that comment,

yeah, we didn't know that. We didn't know that consciously, at least I

and then, before we begin with the Q A Metta, I'm grateful that you're here. I know you have a lot of experience with mantra, and I just wanted to check in with you, because I know it's one of your loves to see if there's anything that you want to share about mantra with the group.

Well, thank you so much, Chelsea, it's pretty interesting how pure land practice evolved simultaneously in China, in Japan and in Tibet. They're like parallel trains running down the track to the same destination, and we saw that photo that they our host shared, of Amitabha Buddha, that beautiful orange. And that's to me, the image of the Buddha in his Western, pure land, like the setting sun, that deep, beautiful orange, just glowing. We all have that experience of sort of out of body, other worldly experience when the sun is setting. I have so much more to share, but if you'd like, I could sing a little bit of the mantra,

yes, please.

So this is a daily practice for me, and I've put some of these up on my web page. Excuse the pop here for a moment when I plug in the guitar. So these are always available to you to chant along with. And this is om ai de wahi, as we just did, to a melody that was inspired by Amitabha Buddha, and feel free to sing along.

Om Momi de Wadi, Om ahm. Ahm,

omm om mommy day, om mommy day.

So beautiful. Thank you so much.

Thank you for allowing me to share that with everyone, and thank you for your wonderful teachings. You guys really knocked it out of the park. I can tell you're connected so much with Amitabha Buddha.

I can feel that in you too, and just his presence here in the group today, and I really, I would love for you to share your website in the chat so that we can go to your website and enchant the beautiful melodies that you've put with these mantras.

Sorry about that. They're on YouTube under well, so I go, my name is Matthew, but I go by Matteo and maheo, which are versions of my names given to me by my Latin and Native American friends. So the web, the YouTube page is maheo, M, a, H, E, y o, music on YouTube, and you'll see. See this icon? Whoops, I just disappeared. But it's a little yellow Buddha with a guitar. And like I said, there's other mantras there. There's a full form of the practice as well. And you know, as auspicious this would have it today, after this, I'm going to do a chanting session on zoom so there you go. If you go there, you can find the Zoom link. But sorry, shameless plug, as Andrew likes to say, but it's it's all there for you. I've been doing this for years, and some of my friends encouraged me to share it online. I will say that I used to chant with a group here in Truckee, and it's so amazing when we all put our voices together. Unfortunately, the technology isn't there yet with Zoom, but when we do join together on on Zoom, it's like we're all chanting in our different parts of the world together. So and then, as Chelsea and Katie shared, it's really just a small part of the practice. You learn the mantra, you sing it, and then you start to visualize the Buddha on your head or in front of you, and you share that energy with the world. The last thing that I'll say, I know I've taken up so much time, but thank you all for letting me share is Bodhichitta and Japanese Shin Jin true and trusting faith and Amitabha Buddha are like two sides of a coin. So Bodhichitta is what we generate internally, and the true and trusting faith that we have in Amitabha Buddha is the Buddha calling us home to our true nature, this internal life and light, this boundless light that's within all of us. And so I wrote this prayer from my study of Tibetan and Japanese Buddhism. It goes like this, truly entrusting in the infinite life and boundless light of Amitabha Buddha, we awaken the spark, the spirit, to seek enlightenment for the sake of all beings without one exception. Om ai de wahi,

powerful. Thank you. I love how we can hear you chanting also from your YouTube page in the background. It's really beautiful. You reading the reading the prayer, and then hearing you chanting in the background too. It's it's beautiful. So thank you so much for sharing and your gifts with all of us.

Well, I'd love to do a collab with you guys, your chant for Anu Tara, the you know, the Dream Yoga chant. I love that. And you and Katie sitting in the flowers there. It's such a wonderfully produced video. And I want to encourage anyone, everyone, to go there and check it out and learn that chant. It's so powerful for your dream yoga. Thank

you. Yeah. Thank you so much. We had a lot of fun creating that, and we have deep connection to mantra too. And we'll put a link to that, om om mani, Padme, or, wait, I'm getting all

they're like that, though they all blend together.

Chant into the chat for all of you, so that you can also see that that video that Metta just spoke to as well, and I'm going to just go through the chat and see if there are any other questions. So Gilda actually wrote, When do you engage with om Anu Tara? Do you want to speak to that kitty?

Sure, absolutely. So first I just want to say, after that song, I closed my eyes and the color behind my eyelids, was that that orange, that deep orange, so beautiful, yes, so yeah, but coming to the OM, the OM mantara, you can chant Om Manu, Tara, anytime, all throughout the day. It's it tends to be most effective just before bed. I like to chant Om mantara, sometimes in conjunction with the Lotus practice. So chanting the syllables around the edges of the lotus, so it's, it's ah at the top of the Lotus. New on the right side, ta, on the back and RA on the left, we actually have a, we have a session about that that we did previously. But really, om man, are these incredibly primordial sounds of the universe. So they're like the most subtle sounds that you. Can have before you go into Non duality. And it's the only mantra that that we've worked with that's connected directly with the Dream Yoga practice, although we did hear about another one in a previous group that someone knows connected with the Dream Yoga practice as well. So you know, you can chant it anytime you would use any other mantra, so anytime that you feel that you want to bring more protection to your mind when you have a busy mind, anytime that you really want to connect with the Dream Yoga practice, or if you want to connect with a particular deity that you work with in the Dream Yoga practice, if you want to work with it in conjunction with the Lotus visualization. I really, yeah, there's really no time that's not appropriate to chat the mantra. So use your own discretion with it. And then that right before bed is a powerful time. And also when you wake up in the middle of the night, sometimes, if I wake up and I've just had a dream. Or if I if my thoughts are going in the middle of the night, I'll just work with that mantra as I fall back to sleep as well. Thanks for the question, Gilda.

Yeah, thank you, Katie. And then Gilda wrote, or you wrote in conjunction with the OM ai de wahi practice. So we like to share different mantras. And there's so many mantras out there connected with different deities. And this is just one particular practice that you can use as you're falling asleep, you know, and you can play with it in the sense of sometimes what I'll do is I'll do the OM AI free practice, and then as I'm falling asleep, I'll be just continue to chant Om new Tara, so basically, I do the clearing of the central channel just once. So with the OM, ah, with the OM ai de Wai, it's more of like a clearing of the channel. Is what you're doing with Amitabha, with the OM Anu Tara, it's more of a descending down into sleep. Okay, I see you shaking your head. Okay. Wonderful.

Um, and then,

was there a significance to the number of repetitions of each round? So seven is a sacred number, and so seven is the number that we've we've been shared through our teachers to say the mantra at least seven times, so that that is what our understanding is with the repetition. And I'll

also add to that. So when I'm doing the rhythmic mantra, I'm doing it more from a feeling place, rather than counting. So I'm just noticing when that transition naturally wants to happen, rather than having a specific number. But I do have it be at least seven, and sometimes it's much more than that. Yeah, thank you.

You're muted? Chelsea,

yeah, I'd love for you to share on this question. Katie, when song clips gets stuck in your head, can it have a mantra effect for positive or negative?

Yes, beautiful question. This is a strong experience in my life having song clips get stuck in my head. So it depends on what's happening with the song clips. If the song clips are just playing unconsciously and we're not being present while they're playing, then it's more of a distraction than a focus. So what I've noticed is if I have a song clip that's playing repetitively, and I'm not aware that it's happening and it just keeps going, I'll sometimes actually use mantra to dismantle that, and sometimes I'll even use a mantra to the tune of that song, so I'll replace the lyrics of the song with the mantra, and then I'll transform from that into the mantra in whatever way I want to sing it, or whatever, whatever way it's classically Sung. But it actually can happen similarly with mantra, where mantra can just play in your head and you're not conscious to it as well, if you start doing mantra more frequently, so you want to when you're doing the mantra, to be really present with the feeling, with the experience of the mantra, and with the qualities that it's bringing forth inside of you.

I. Thank you Katie. And then I also wanted to invite Kim to come on and share about your dream.

Hello everyone. Thank you for that beautiful dedication for Pierre. He transitioned two weeks ago today. And so because there's a lot going on, a lot of emotion, a lot of sort of regret appearing, I've been saying om really is mind protection, but generally I'm remaining pretty calm and aware as the feelings arise. And so a couple of nights ago, I dreamed that a caretaker was at our house and that she said, Pierre is taking a bath. And I said, Hmm, he doesn't normally get in the bathtub. And I dreamed that he was underwater with bubbles coming up. And so I lifted him out of the bathtub and put him on the bed, and I just wanted to hold him. And we started having a conversation about I asked him about if he remembered our favorite place in France, and he remembered that, and said yes, and smiled just a little bit. And the light in the bedroom kept coming on this bright light, and I kept going to shut it off, and the light kept coming on to shut it off. So I I'm not sure what to make of the content of that dream, except that it feels like a communication as a way to transform the regret, this kind of momentary regret that, did I do enough as he was declining in health and that kind of thing. So thank you for letting me share it. And thank you so much for giving structure to what was sort of just a omm he recitation. I really love the idea of the structure. So thank you. And as I was lifting him out of the water, I had the thought I could not normally lift him out of the water. This is, this is probably a dream. So it was a little bit of a, you know, lucidity there. So thank you for letting me share, and thanks everyone for being here.

Thank you, Kim, yeah, we're with you. Thank you for sharing your dream. And I mean, it sounds like you're still in a place of holding the dream as a place of just being with Pierre in that moment, you know, as he transitioned. And I hear you're feeling a little regret, and maybe that dream was a bit of a bomb for you on your tender heart, yeah, thank you for sharing,

right? So that's everything in the chat, so if there's anything else anybody wants to bring in before we close for the day. Oh, I see you're getting big hug. That's wonderful.

Okay? Jude, you Yes, I

have a question, if my dream, what are they called? If I want to see my hands in the dream to become lucid, and I am using my hands regularly in the dream, in my dreams, but I'm not becoming lucid. Do you have any suggestions for me, if that's an okay question to ask, after all this beautiful mantra,

of course, yeah, of course, it is. Chelsea and I were just going which one of us is going to answer. So um, so, yeah, one thing I would suggest is you could start wearing things on your hands in waking life. So make your hands look different in waking life than they might in the dream. When you look at your hands in the dream, do they look normal? Do they look like your same hands?

Well, I'm not just looking at them, but, for example, I'll be writing something, and I'll be looking at the paper as I'm writing, and yes, they do look normal.

Yeah, right. So this is so one thing I've noticed is with this particular dream sign, looking at our hands, not everyone has it where your hands actually look different in the dream. So one thing you can do is make your hands look different in waking life so that you'll potentially notice that they look different in the dream. Or you can work with a different kind of dream sign. You can say, rather than looking at my hands, I'm going to jump in the dream. Or rather than looking at my hands, I'm going to go down and see if I can put my hand through the ground. You can start to play with different ones that won't have already such an established mental image in your mind for them. So, so that's what I would say. Yeah, I think it even even throughout the dream practice, changing up our dream signs more frequently can be really beneficial to the practice, because our minds can adapt to what we think we're going to see, and our egos might find ways to prevent us from becoming lucid. So we have to be kind of playful with our own mind and be more open to changing what we're working with in that regard. Thank

you. Yeah. All right. Gilda, I

was trying to find the dream that is somewhere buried. It was interesting that I had a dream. In the dream, I I said, Oh, I am about to get lucid. So I thought that was really funny. I remember the dream, and I wrote it down, so I'm so yeah, I might share that I forget what else went on in the dream, but that was that stuck with me and and I weren't sure about mantras that actually I've been contemplating because I in dream states. My being does not say, Oh, I'm dreaming, which is a sign of Lucid Dreaming. But definitely I'm lucid, not that, because I can recall and I scan and I do all sorts of things, so I'm still working With that to see how lucid induction techniques are. Paired with lucidity. That's not necessarily lucid induction techniques related, or they are related, but they're just not addressed as that as being a Lucid Dreaming technique, perhaps is more related to individuation techniques, hum style, but they seem to correlate or be mixed together, interdependent. Maybe it's a better word. So just want to share that and in mantras, sometimes, when there's a melody that I really like, maybe from Gregorian chants and such that carry already heights of notes that are related to the Spirit. I transfer them the melody into a mantra, and then in dream states or so on, I can recall it because of the melody and not necessarily because of the words. So for me, the melody seems to come first before actual words. So it's the rhythm seems to be recalled first or deeper, and then the the words or the seed syllables, whatever it might be, follows, and I can remember it. So just wanted to share that.

Yeah, thank you. I want to just speak to one of the first pieces that you said, which is being lucid in the dream, but not having that moment of recognition of lucidity. I think about this a lot, because this happens to me a lot, so I actually feel like So say we call waking reality the physical plane, and say we call dreaming reality the astral plane. So sometimes I'll be lucid in the astral plane. I will know that I'm in that plane, that I'm in a dream, but I don't necessarily. Necessarily have the distinction or the awareness between that and the physical plane. Meaning I'm not really thinking, Oh, this is a dream separate from the physical plane, but yet, I have complete facility and freedom to behave as I would in any lucid dream in that astral plane. So that's kind of an interesting distinction to me. And then there's some sometimes when I'm lucid. So I'm on the astral plane, and I become lucid, and I'm very aware of my waking presence. I'm very aware of who I am in the waking world, and what my intentions were in the waking world, and I can bring those intentions in, and I know that I'm in this dream state that's very different from the waking state. And so that's that's one thing that happens for me with that. I don't know if it's the same for you, Gilda, but I just thought it was interesting to mention. And then there's also this experience sometimes of becoming lucid or being lucid, but there was never a moment where I became lucid. It's just like it was always there. So that's more of, I call that kind of more of a feminine way of being lucid, rather than there's this particular moment, and I'm clear about what that moment was and what caused it, and why I became lucid. It's just lucidity is there. It's an ever present thing, and I'm tapped into it, and I'm seeing you nodding, and that seems like maybe more of what's similar to your own experience. Yes,

for me, it's, it's yes, it's more in that vein as well as I don't see it that different from daylight states, in fact, that, to me, is more real there as my nature than it is what I experience in the zeitgeist in which i in which I function inside a body. So maybe that that also has something to do with it. I'm not sure, yes, but, but yes, it is like that. Thank you. Thank you for sharing. Yeah. Thank you.

All right, Mike,

I had a interesting night experience that I recall later on, but I recalled when I was in a Liminal state and I was explaining something, and I got really excited and thought, Oh, this is Non duality, because I like that Non duality. But in my dream, I was thinking, okay, there's just like left and right. And then I thought, no, there is no left and right. There's just, I thought, Oh, I mean, night and there's no it's Non duality. But the sort of fragrance of that dream has hung around in the morning while I was waiting for my breakfast to cook. And I mean, is that lucid that I remembered that I had that dream, and it was just such a fun joy. Wow. So it just really phenomenal, of like, I'm not doing the Tibetan thing, but I sure remember my dreams and the different levels of sleep that I do and I track, so I'm usually there between three and five, and just having a whole lot of fun with the whole lot of data that's being processed for me. And it's just great I get all kinds of great information, so I don't have a really good explanation for that, but just the experience.

Yeah, what I'm hearing from you, Mike is it's really more about the the experience of it. For you, you know, you're having all of this data come in. You're having this like, playful, joyful experience, where you're experiencing Non duality, and then it's perfuming your day and perfuming your life. And the thing about Lucid Dreaming, and dreams in general, is we don't have, I mean, we want to be lucid, right? Because it's this bi directional approach. If we're lucid and sleep, then we were more likely to be lucid and waking, which is something that Gilda and Katie were talking about. They actually aren't separate. They're we have this idea of duality, like there's sleep and dream and death and waking, but it's all the same. And so what, what's really important to me is what is. The effect that the dream is having on you, whether it's lucid or it's non lucid. And it sounds like this particular dream, you know, we're, we're wanting, we're we're setting that striving, that goal, to become lucid, and this particular dream is supporting you to become more lucid. It's like I said, perfuming your life so that you're more lucid during the day.

Yeah? Joy, just joy. Like, wow, look what I found. I found something. I found some silver coins on the sidewalk. Yeah,

yeah.

I mean, we all need more joy in our lives. Yeah, yeah. So thank you for bringing that joy into the space. Mike, your your coins that you found on the street, a

great inspiration.

And then, Marianne,

good to see you. Good to see you too. It's been really insightful. Today. I wanted to make a comment on what Gilda and Katie were talking about, because I find so much of what we talk about is about knowing and how we know and as a process. And for me, so much of the time, I think of dreaming as a way of knowing and and I I feel like I learned so much in my dreams, and I find the more I let go of trying to categorize it, the better off I am. I mean, I I know I at first really thought a lot about, am I witnessing, or am I a character in the dream, or what is my relationship with what's unfolding, and then I just decided to let go of all of that and see The dream as sentient and something that I could relate to, just like any other phenomenon. And when I let go, of course, I let go of all the so called rational thinking of the waking world, and I can create characters in the dream that speak to me, and it's a fascinating thing, because I often also have what I call novel character dreams. When I'm just in my dream is suddenly a scene I can use in the novel, full stop, huge. And at some point I begin to think, am I my novel characters? Or I suddenly feel like I've got two characters in this novel that seem like they're representing some part of me, and I'm having a conversation with myself, and then I feel like I'm in a Fellini movie. And it just, I mean, I It's a good feeling always, but I feel so real to me, and that's of course, why, when I wake up, I'm like, Mike, I'm like, God, life is wonderful. So I've stopped questioning a lot of it, and just find I experience more. I dream more and I'm lucid more. So whatever is happening, I'll take it, and I know it's been inspired by this group.

It's been so beautiful to see your journey with that. Mary Ann of like, finding the middle way of, yeah, when you were first, you know, coming here, it was about like, I need to figure this out, what is happening. I need, I need all the details of what and and now it sounds like you're really in a place of letting, letting it flow, letting it come to you, letting, letting it be a process, right? And it doesn't mean we take away, like the masculine, needing to know, needing to self reflect, you know, it's, it's finding that middle way, you know, and we, and we tend to do this like pendulum shift, right? We go from, I need to figure it out. I need to figure it out, to, okay, I'm just gonna let it all go, and I'm gonna surrender. And then, slowly but surely. We find the middle and thank you for sharing. All right, so I think that we're going to close it out for today. Thank you all for being here. And before we go, we are going to have think it's Katie you're going to do or Bodhi, you're going to do the dedication, and everybody getting it wrong. Bodhi, you're going to do the blessing. Katie, you're going to do the dedication. There we go.

All right, very good, everyone. So in the coming weeks, may we all have deep, restorative sleep, May we all be blessed with more recall of our dreams and more lucid dreams.

You dedicate the merit of this practice and this group today to the benefit of all beings. May it be so.

Thank you all. Thank you everyone.

We look forward to time. Thank you for being here. Thank