Mr. Chair The time now is 3pm. Just a brief reminder Good afternoon honorable bore DPD executives and community again welcome to the trip border police commissioners meeting your cell phones at this time if you will, please silence them to prevent interrupting the board meeting and also with regards to public comments if you would like to participate during that time please submit your name to Mr. Brown who was seated here at the end of the table with his hand raised and if you have any further questions about filing a complaint involving the please feel free to contact our office 313596 to 499, the Office of the Chief Investigator or the board's administrative division 313-596-1830 Thank you so much. And now chair Ferguson.
Good afternoon. I'm Brian Ferguson, Chair personal board of police commissioners and this meeting will now come to order now we have have an invocation by Commander Chaplain Darren Penson. He's in person here.
Good afternoon board.
This Bala Hudson a word of prayer. Father, we come before you thank you first and foremost and acknowledging that this is the day that you have made and we shall continuously be glad and rejoice in it. And now God we thank You God that you've been with this department going all the way back to around 1860 God, God you've been there for this department. Sometimes it's been rocking and some time has been rolling but it still continues to grow because you'll go and now God we just asked your blessings upon the offices to wear the badge. God we pray God that you enlarge their badge is God that it'd be a shield of protection that are protecting them from seen and unseen danger. Now God we ask that you bless this committee meeting God we ask that you bless this agenda. Because God you continuously be a source through this department as a source of security, but most importantly, a place where there's hope and people can run to so continuously to bless this agenda. God we bless you and we glorify you, as in Heaven name, that we all say that
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Oh, good afternoon. Madam Madam Vice Chair, member at
large. Commissioner Jim Holley present. Commissioner quats has Presley here.
I'm sure hey, Zeus Hernandez. Commissioner Linda Bernard.
Attorney London Bernard district to present Welcome everyone.
Commissioners Cedric banks present. Commissioner will eat bill for us in District Four.
Commissioner will Lee Burton Commissioner Lisa Carter and Mr. Ricardo more present. Mr. Chair you do have a quorum
Thank you. Good afternoon.
Good afternoon. So no.
Yes, sir. Just as a reminder, Mr. Chair, the Honorable boards here we see the updated agenda for this afternoon and the next agenda item is the chief of police report. And so we just wanted to share that reminder as you move forward with the official business meeting. Thank you so much. Go ahead chi.
Good afternoon. I will start with the crime stats and I am very thankful to the board for allowing me a little additional time to speak through my report with me at the top of the agenda. I'll start with the criminal homicides. We have had a 4% or correction a 2% reduction down for from the same time last year 238 Last year 234 This year 13% reduction in our sexual assaults 13% reduction in our aggravated assaults, a 13% reduction and our non fatal shootings down 111 we had last year this time 867 We have 756 We'll move on to our robberies were down 7% from 1964 and 2021 to 1078 and 2022. We have a significant uptick in our carjackings, which we're working. We have a 30% increase and we are looking at a year to date increase of 47 carjackings 157 to 204 We're trying to see what's contributing we know that we've got a problem with a number of vehicles. We also know that we've have some, some young people and some debriefs that we've done on the arrests that are basically using carjacking as a mode of transportation and not really thinking that stuff through. They're doing a lot of behavior for social media likes and in the such are the like and that's that's where we're at but we're taking it very seriously and we are very, very focused on bringing those acts down and holding those folks accountable. We've actually been in contact with our federal partners to look at taking some of these cases federally, but we are seeing an uptick and we're gonna continue to work with our we're sick excuse me, and injured officers, one sergeant from the second precinct and two police officers from the seventh through saying we have a slight uptick with our COVID numbers. We have 25 members out with COVID. Last week we had 19 and we have 21 positives of those who are out so 21 out of 25 are positive. We continue to do really good work with our drag racing detail as the summer draws to a close and we will take lessons learned into next year. I'm going to skip the positives and the rest of this weekly report and get right into the report that I want to spend some time on this report to this board would be solely incomplete without devoting this time to the recent officer involved shooting and I want to start off by first stating to the board that my presentation the last couple of days, particularly with the media and the media brief was for the purpose of providing information and no way was that information. A conclusion to an investigation. This is a very complex investigation. It is four days old. There's a lot of video, both public video officers body camera, dash cameras, interviews to be done residents measurements to be done. The nature of the incident. The circumstances were preliminary. My commitment is as it's always been is to keep our community informed and to be transparent. To keep this board informed and to be transparent. None of us want to be here, but we're here. We have to deal with where we're at. If we could reverse time, certainly, and knew what the outcome was going to be. And that this young man who was struggling was going to charge at the officers that some of the tactics and techniques such as body armor. Vehicles reinforce what perhaps, been in play, but with the timelines that we have looked at thus far, what the officers were dealing with the the CIT which we use, to great success throughout this department was in play, the de escalation that the officers were trained to was in play. Things were going according to that strategy. When this young man who
was obviously struggling with mental illness, has been well talked about well documented that he suffered from schizophrenia and made the decision to charge the officers that plan changed. It is evident to me that the plan consisted of getting him some help early on. And that was evident to me by the video review that I did. Personally where I hear the officers planning to get the complainant, his brother to the hospital at a later time for me that that at least for that moment in time put in perspective what the goal and the outcome was what that they were hopeful love unfortunately your police department has become the mental health system. And I never thought I'd see the day when we really have to take a look at building our own mental health database because of the frequency in which we are dealing with these runs. This particular run in question we didn't have all the information we knew that we had a violent person based on the information that we received about him slashing his family's tires, or his brother's tires. We also knew that he was armed with a knife and the officers went to look for him at the requests of not only his brother but as part of the plan to get someone off the street who is armed with a knife who is in a psychotic episode and who was a danger to themselves or others. It was five o'clock in the morning. This is when the day is starting. You can't have a situation like that where someone is out armed and dangerous. In our community. People could be walking their dogs, whatever, go into work. And that's a very dangerous situation to have. Frankly, we know what this looks like. We had the very same situation in the 12th precinct not with a arm with a knife person with regards to mental illness but similar in nature, that a person who had a mental problem was randomly shooting throughout our community. So we have these experiences. We've had these experiences. We deployed our CIT trained officer to ensure the safety of the young man and to ensure the safety of our community. The event was truly tragic. And this is why it's even more important to view the incident through the appropriate lens of fact and truth untainted by motion, which is very difficult. I will forever know that this young man was shot. And he has a condition that he can do nothing about. I don't agree with a lot of what I heard today on the news, but I do agree with one thing. And actually this is something that was said originally by Benny Napoleon that the biggest mental health institution in Wayne County right now is the Wayne County Jail. And the police department are in the enviable position to have to manage the mental health crisis in our community. And to do so we have to have training and we do have training we have CIT, but certainly what as I look at this incident as a person who is a licensed mental health professional myself, I am frustrated. And I'm not talking about frustrated with all the aspects of what happened, but I'm certainly frustrated with the fact that he should have been getting the services that he needs. And that frustration is because there are no mental health facilities in the state period. A temporary hole for 24 hours is not the answer. And so when looking at the outcome and we're not there, we are far from there. My commitment to this board will be that I will be transparent I will hold our officers accountable. If there's a violation of policy or any activity that was not done properly as I do with all officers. We will look at ways to be better and ways to increase our effectiveness. And one of the things I was talking to the mirror about last night and again today is it is time for us to look at a way to bring all the information together about someone who has a mental health crisis and make it readily available to police officers the moment they get the call. If we have been to this house, as we have with this situation multiple times from multiple violent incidents, having had that information, perhaps in the future could change something I don't know. And I don't think it would have changed this circumstance.
But we owe it to the officers to this community to look at ways to be better. And perhaps it is time to look at armed people who are in mental crisis and treat them similar to how we treat our SRT, barricaded gun people gun and gun women. And that's where we've had our greatest amount of success, isolate, control shutdown streets and see if we could deploy that same type of tactic where we can be more effective. Now I don't know if that will work. And perhaps some of this is just out of the emotion. But I'm going to look at every opportunity best practices around this country. What can we do to be better and it's something that we look at anytime there's a critical use of force or serious use of force and certainly a fatal use of force. How can we be better doesn't necessarily mean anyone did anything wrong but how do we be better? You've got a 22 year old young man and mental crisis was no longer here. And the system failed him. You shouldn't have even been on the streets. And we've got to do everything we can as a police department to make sure that we have the tools and equipment that we need. So it doesn't happen again. So with that, I will take any questions and please know that there are certain aspects that I don't have all the information on. I will communicate what I can to this board. And those areas that are part of the investigation that I can't discuss in an open forum. I hope you understand and and and understand that it's an act of investigation, but I will do my very best.
We do. Thank you. Commissioner Presley.
Thank you chair. Appreciate your chief in I sympathize with your frustration and definitely pray for the department in your morale in this most difficult circumstance before the community's benefit. You know in watching the video that you released again I commend you for your transparency in the quickness, the expedient NIST do offer that information. But I think that we're trying to grapple with the distinction between a person who has a knife and a person who has a gun and whether or not there is a different approach or response. For the imminent threat of danger with the person who has a knife versus a person who has a gun. And so for the community benefit, could you explain to us if there is any distinction? And if not, you know how there might be one a noting that there is a difference in the fatal force between a knife and a gun.
Yeah, well, both have dangerous weapons, and both can lead to a fatality. And we've had instances where officers have been stabbed as you know, most recently in number 11 where the officer lost the use of his right hand. We had an EMS Person A few years ago that was stabbed. So knives are dangerous. The training is different from the standpoint of with a firearm the distance is different where in which you can engage the person and have to use or shouldn't use force to stop the threat as it relates to a knife and without getting too technical. We train to approximately 21 to 31 feet based on the average person's ability to close a gap in a number of seconds. And so the officers tried to keep that distance of that 21 to 30 feet. Understanding that that distance can be close and then and then certainly there are a lot of other factors, lighting and other things that come into play barriers and those types of things. But that's general very general as to our approach, and then certainly when the person is running towards you, and the rate in which or they're gaining in your ability to retreat. But but but the the idea isn't a mandatory retreat is to try to get safe and stop the threat. And then I'll stop there.
Yeah, and it's very difficult conversation because even hearing that response, you know, I understand particularly as the preservation of life of our officers is paramount. But at the same time the injuries that you mentioned in the examples that were sustained by officers when engaging someone with a knife, allow them to still be alive. And so when you when the community is trying to weigh the response that takes someone's life versus a potential severe injury even in worse circumstances with a knife it it's no easy answers and so again, I share in the frustration, but I do appreciate the fact that you do see this as an opportunity to still look for improvement. If not saying that someone did anything wrong, that this is a situation that we should be able to grow from and find better ways so that this sort of incident doesn't weigh on our community. Moving forward.
Thank you for that. And if I may comment, you know, we've had many knife attacks with citizens and community and you know, the officers trying to stop the threat if that if we were to take the officer out of that equation and replace the officer that was facing the young man and that was a citizen. They were response is to stop the threat of the citizen stop the threat of the officer. It's the same and knives are deadly weapons and simple Google searches can tell you and show you a number of instances where it's occurred. Certainly people have a different response to a knife, which is why that distance is so important. But knife attacks are very, very dangerous and they're considered deadly force. It's it's a deadly force encounter and the deadly force policies what we're looking at the fatal force policies, what we're looking at the officers reaction and again you know, this is this is not me giving you a disposition in any way, shape, or form. I'm only merely providing information. We're looking at all aspects we're looking at, you know, every single thing that happened that early morning, and we're going to continue to do that. And we will be turning over our findings. Our independent findings, which the investigation has been done by our homicide task force was consists of the Michigan State Police, and the conclusion of that will be turned over to the prosecutor's office and there will be an independent review by the prosecutor's office as to the actions that morning. And and alongside that is another investigation which is an internal investigation, where we will exhaustively go through every single policy that we have the officer's actions, the officers training how it was applied, and then that's where I come in with my response to the final investigation.
Thank you. Commissioner Hernandez.
Thank you through the chair not until the conclusion of the investigation then I'll have questions.
Fantastic. Commissioner banks.
Yeah. Peace and blessings to you, chief white.
The department the
Detroit Police Department maintain a 21 feet distance separation is that correct?
I can't give you that. Information right now because the investigation is still active measurements are taking place camera angles looking at the various camera angles that we have. I just don't want to go on record was saying exactly what that measurement was but I assure you will be part of the investigation and there will be an adjoining schematic with that.
Okay, I like I'd like to see a video on that Chief white. Also. Why couldn't the officers use a taser because the Taser goes up to 10 feet. If I understand the man was charged and that the officers but a taser goes 10 feet and a taser has enough power and enough equipping to stop an individual.
Well, there's a number of reasons. One is we were looking at a fatal force situation and he was charging at the officers and again, this happened in three seconds. There was an arc of a taser, we're looking into that deployment. But it appears that that deployment either did not make contact or make contact did not take effect. tasers are about 90% effective. And I'm not suggesting this to take away from what you're saying. I'm just telling you because you said what it could do. They are not 100% effective. And again, this is a deadly force encounter. And the response to that is to stop the threat. As the officers were working through their plan, there were a number of different ideas that they came up with. And we're going to be questioning the officers individually and talking through that and that'll be made available to me they have a rights to a process and we have to avail them to that process. But I'll be reading both what they say under guarantee and what and what I'm privy to any any other part of the investigation. So that's where we're at. But I wouldn't just say with a blanket statement that the Taser would have worked as this this is not factually correct,
but a taser, releasing a taser, a taser will hold 10 feet is that correct?
It could it could,
but this is a three second deadly force encounter. And, you know, again, you know I'm not minimizing marginalizing all of the ideas that everyone's saying, these are hindsight ideas that don't change the outcome, but it does give us an opportunity to look at, you know, going forward, what could be done, you know, this isn't easy for for me, and it's not easy for this department. This is not the outcome. Anyone want it and it's certainly not the outcome. I want it. I can tell you that this whole department is in mourning over this situation, and certainly my condolences to his family because they lost a loved one. And you can only imagine what they're going through today. So I totally get everyone with you know, what if What if what is and the unfortunate reality is, you know, I got to deal with what happened. Look at every aspect of it. How do we become better not suggesting that anything was wrong, but when you've lost the life of a 22 year old? I would be derelict in my duties as chief if I didn't look for ways to make sure it never happens. Again, if there's something in my power I can do. What would be very helpful is if we have a functioning mental health hospital system in this state, and we haven't had one and many, many years, and now we're seeing the results of that. Simply medicating someone and keeping your fingers crossed, that they continue to take it is not a strategy. We've got a mental health crisis in this country that's got to be dealt with and if you if you lock folks up, and they don't and they get out without proper treatment, and there's jails aren't mental health facilities, and then they're on the street, right, right. And they're engaging police who I stand behind our training. I stand behind the CIT training. I know the success rate we talk data all the time. We look at that we look at you know we've got a high 90% success rate on barricaded gunman. But people in mental health crisis particularly paranoid schizophrenic or schizophrenic, okay, are unpredictable. Because they see here environment differently. They're not they're not functioning with the same levels. There's a chemical imbalance so they're not operating with a baseline normalcy when they have this condition. So to suggest that a taser will work 100% of the time, it's just simply not factual because there are a lot of different factors that go into, you know what the Taser does. And as this process goes on, you know, we will be looking at all of that and ways to deal with situations just like this in the future. And as I indicated, you know, I talked to the mayor and he's in full support of a independent database, because here's where I think we do have a opportunity. You know, we didn't know that until later that he had several other instances of contact with the police department. We didn't know that the officers had found him on six mile after he walked away from Sinai grace, and they took him back. But at that time, he fought with the officers. We didn't know that he had a stabbing situation with with family members. We learned all of that after the fact as part of our overall investigation of the incident. But if the officers were armed with that information on the front end, when they pulled up to the house, and they said, Hey, we were just here last week on Iran. This is the guy who fought with someone this is a guy who stabbed a relative. He's known to have a knife. Then if we shift to a protocol like we do with SRT, when someone goes to a barricaded gunman we don't once we knock on the door and I say I got a gun. I'm gonna shoot you. Party over we walk off the porch. We declare it SRT comes over. We clear the street, we block off both corners, we start negotiating, I think it may be time on the violent mentals to do that, as extreme as that sounds, to cordoned off the corners to bless you to clear the houses thank you to negotiate with the person. And then someone suggested you know, suiting up and all those kinds of things, then maybe that's an opportunity. Maybe you you go in and you've got one officer, you know, armed with with with a beanbag, one officer with what was a more advanced Taser system, and you go in and you break the door down and you get them out that way. Maybe maybe we're there. I don't know. But I know I want to do everything I possibly can to make sure that this doesn't happen. Again. But armed with what the officers had to deal with. In the end, the unpredictable nature of that moment. And after those those times that they spent talking to him. We find ourselves in the worst possible outcome.
thank you. I gotta move on to thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chief, and this is really like a commentary. I think we have to start educating folks more on the force continuum or what that looks like. Because there are levels that I heard during the video that the officers did go through to make sure that their reaction was proper, but I want to focus on intermediate weapons. The Taser is an intermediate weapon that the department uses beanbags and rubber bullets to in crowd control instances. When you go through your after action reports, which I know you will be doing when we look at like getting a net, you know, so huge net that can be deployed as an intermediate weapon. Certain situations more so as a distraction technique so that you can employ other intermediate weapons whether that be the pepper spray or the taser. And that's just my commentary with the force continuing. Thank you, sir. Mr. Bill.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I don't have any questions or concern with the chief but Mr. Chairman, I think that the chief made a key point. It had been a long history of mental illness folks who are had been shot and killed a term with the police would alarm the community over and over again, I think we need to take a deep dive, is the chief mentioned in reference to a policy How would you treat mentally ill individuals versus especially with a weapon so we need to respond in kind with the chief Miss White in terms of the board weigh in on those issues because it's a long history, that type of action when you got a cluster officers and all them just pretty much respond to a situation is troubling. With weaponry. We all that issue been raised to come in and I'm not raising an issue but that's a concern and reference to bars. You know, that type of instance, is in the community. So we have to respond in kind in terms of policy. And I hope that we do that in a timely manner. Mr. Chairman,
thank you, Commissioner Carter.
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Good afternoon, everyone. Chief My question is regarding the data on responses to it individuals in mental health crisis. Three of the four cases that I read last week from my review of complaints to the board of police commissioners was had something to do with mental health, mental health crisis and the response of the officers. So I'd like to know and you might have it I don't know. I know that the CIT team is in certain precincts. But I'd like to know like, probably on a weekly basis, how many how many runs are in response to a mental health issue?
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you have that report? They say was
on TV you spoke from and I was impressed by the report that you had already gave that gathered the data.
Thank you, Chief 2000
I'll get you a cleaner report. This is 2022 mental, not violent 2464 I'm sorry,
can you repeat I'm sorry.
This is a mental run with it runs. This is a run that has a mental illness Nexus but does not have a weapon. This is 2022 that I'm going to read to you and I'll get you in fact, I'm going to update the weekly report. To include this data going forward. Thank
for the mental not violent runs for 2022 mental violent arm 1138 mental violent not armed, they're fighting but they don't have a weapon. For foul 1189 We classify overdoses. When you are at a point where you you pass out and we classify that as a mental run as well as 6001 or 64. One down over over the wheel, which we're starting to capture separately. That's got a drug Nexus 378 suicide in progress 1105 and suicide ideation, which is the threat and the ability to carry it out. 2169 part my math I don't have a total here but I think that's about 17,600 and but I'll get you a clean report and going forward, you will have a clean report each week. So we're at 17,600 if my math is is close, for 2021 The for year number comparison 2880 for the mental nonviolent 1274 So this is 2021 for the whole year. Mental violent arm 1274 mental violent not arm 4836 for the whole year, and then the one down I'm sorry, the overdose 7614 the one down four and a 23 suicide in progress, suicide ideation of 1411 and then the the suicide threat 2403 So 20,800 So, in crisis when we're when we're and again, you know, not to insult anyone 99 9% Of those, you know are handled without incident, but it's it's not. It's notable, but it's certainly not appropriate to talk about the ones that are handled with success when you've had this one, right, but I just need to put in context, that the CIT does still work. What we want to do with this situation is grow with an opportunity to be better.
Absolutely. And I think the numbers show that we need to do something different. Thank
you, Commissioner Banagher.
I'm gonna take I'm just trying to keep up with the questions. Let's start with with the last part of the question with regard to number of rounds, so he was not shot 30 I think he said 32 or 35 times that was not the case. Oh, he was the medical examiner. preliminary report and listen, this is not making it you know better but I just want to correct the record. There were 30 and I'm gonna say approximately 32 rounds fired. The medical examiner counted 15 wounds in his body and again, this is you know, this isn't you know, making it better. It's just giving you facts, okay, and so 15 rounds in the body. But what they don't know right now is if some of those rounds were entry, exit rounds, okay, so they're counting those 15 but the total number of rounds were 32. And, again, nothing I'm going to say it's going to probably make you feel better about it, but I just have to talk police policy for a moment. So each officer is responsible for their own bullet. Okay. The officers carry a nine millimeter and they've got 17 rounds, ready to go and they've got an additional 17 And they've got an additional 32 in their in their waste on their. Their keepers. So each officers got approximately 49 rounds. Okay, each officer there each individual officer has 14 proximately, 49 rounds 32 or fire and each officer is responsible for the assessment of threat. And so you have multiple officers there. Each of those officers saw the threat and they saw the need to stop the threat. This person took off and and ran towards the officer with a knife had he stayed where he was. We can presume that things were continued the way that they were. Before he took off running. There was a long beginning of a long conversation they were asking a number of questions saying please put your knife down. Let me take you home. Let me take you to the doctor where do you want to go? Those types of things which we saw on the video. It was at the point that he charged and became a threat with a knife closing on the officer you see the officer take a few steps back and begin the shoot from an community education standpoint, those other officers also saw the threat this happened and I did this last night and this morning as I watched the video over and over again. 123 Okay, I wanted to see how much time so then I said One Mississippi, two Mississippi, right like like the kids do to see how much time we're looking at now we're doing a more scientific measurement of that right now in our investigation. But for my own benefit, I wanted to see how much time happened between the first shot as he's running and the last shot and I got to about unscientifically About four seconds, but again, a company will be looking at that. But what was what was evident is and what I know as a police officer, is it's my responsibility to evaluate the threat for myself and others, you or my partner. Each individual officer assessed that threat at that moment as such that they felt the need to fire their weapon until the threat was stuck. That means you have each individual seeing it similarly and needing to be stopped. That is why you have the number of rounds because each assessment they saw it as a deadly force encounter. It is their responsibility to stop the threat against a partner or themselves and others. There is no time at four seconds to pause and look over to see if your partner is aware of the threat that he or she is encountering and then stop the threat. We are trained to stop the threat. It is not like on television. It's immediate. And I've gone through many scenarios and I invite this board to go to shoot no shoot scenarios that we can host for you and see how quickly in a controlled environment that adrenaline pushes through you and causes you to react. It will be very beneficial, maybe outside of this investigation because I know you have to review it. But it is a very important training and I go through it. It's in the academy just to keep my senses sharp because I know being an administrator for the lion's share of my career. You know, I sometimes lose what the officers are dealing with on a daily basis until I see it or read it. So I just want to illustrate for you that the number of shots that the officers have available, and the fact that each officer fired which accounted for the shots and then again in closing
15 of those 32 and please give me a little bit of wiggle room on the 32 because I just read the report before I came down here. I don't know if I don't remember if it's 32 or 35. I think it's 32 Chris graveline in the room. But I'll correct the record on that. But it was mostly shortly. 15 Woods,
fantastic. Commissioner Holly I gotta move on. Commissioner Commissioner Holly,
thank you to chair to the chief to the board. And another distress to my kids were killed Monday. Coming out of out of a tribe. McDonald's. Everyone. Okay, driving
honey. Sorry. My condolences to one on Mac. Right. In fact, the McDonald's right. My condolences he just took
it to school to register and put a room up and everything. She was home to Senator but cheap I'm a I'm a kind of guy all my life been since solution oriented. I've been for the last three years I've been here on this board. I've been trying to put the judge the prosecutor mental health handed and the governor's office in a rule and and this is I went to two or three sessions where the governor spoke and not one person asked a question about a health. She was at over two hours. Nobody asked the question that mental health. Here we are in a democratic state. The President is democratic. The prosecutor the judge, who is supposed to be partners, and the governor and the mayor. I just have a hard time to reconcile why we're not dealing with this institution. I live a walk by drive by me keeper every other day. Assist, you know, and I see many other builders that have been rehabbed. I don't understand why we don't have an institution. For a for mental health. I don't understand that. We owe the COVID money. So I'm just talking and I don't mean to be preaching to you. But I don't understand. I just I hear every questions just nothing like because it's about the problem, not about solution. We I'm here to Mill State Health no state facility in over 30 years. And it's getting worse all the time. The other problem is cheap is you know, you may not know uh, my information came is that that he was he was hurt by one of the members of the family which is which is he's sick, but there was no charge. So I'll just say it to you. That's not being unkind to anybody. I'm just saying this man was fail all around. All around even at the mountain site that site site, cyanide. That's that's I mean, if he was able to escape, then obviously, he was he was capable. I leave you alone. But my frustration is trying to get this board to sit down with the with the people this in charge of the state to deal with mental health. And we keep pushing this off. And I leave you alone but my my style of leadership is I know what the people need. Even the people don't know what they need and I was told I know what the people need. But mostly went down to town to Egypt. He didn't ask for a boat. He said God said this is what we got to do. This is a this is the right thing to do. I'm not preaching to you, but I'm just trying to put it in your spirit. That in your circles and you go to all other people and your heart is your heart is good, too. I like that you have a good heart and a good mind and good training. But I just feel like we can't be here again. If we're not careful, because you got to have help with these people. Some asking, I asked Mr. DOE to come in here he was mental health. They run over a billion dollar budget in mental health. And they put into situations as you know, in Milwaukee, but it's not enough it's just 20 beds. And you got to, as I said, who got all the people
stakeholders in this. And we're still talking about this situation. So I asked this board to hear me. I'm tired of coming coming I'm tired the fuss in the audit about the things that basically don't matter. I really want to talk have some solutions. And I think that's where you are and that's where you want to be. And I know you can't do it all by yourself. But I would like to thank this board have some clout, some clout. We have an election going on, somewhere down the line. The question to ask Mr. Governor, Mr. Governor, are you going to put you through about mental health? How are we going to have an institution in in Midtown, mid Southeast Michigan, or something? I leave you alone. I just I'm frustrated about a lot of things as indicated to you by my children via queue, but I just say it to you again. I just feel like we need to be solution oriented and not really going back over and over and over and over. Because everybody this questionnaire was fail all the way around. There is no no goodness about it at all. It could have been I had a mental health. Rather it came from the same room. From my mama we came from the same room just happened to he was one It wasn't at all so I'm understand Understand it one for the grace of God is no telling where I would be. But I do feel like we need to have some help here. In dealing with this. This mental health situation that you will very get your hands on. All right.
Thank you. Thank you, Commissioner Burton.
Yes. Through the Chair. We must know the policy of deployment of the use of deadly force. We want our officers to live in the community and have the same love and respect for our residents. You know ever since 2014, I've been advocating for educating our community on mental health providing some type of training for community but also that same timeframe also been advocating for
to be out there in the community as well. This is this
is alarming to to to hear this on a news and
it you know I just feel that you know we need to really educate our community but we also we need to educate our community on our mental health. But we also need to
social workers into those neighborhood communities, association meetings, talking to the business community as well. I just feel like there's more that we as elected officials can do. From a policy standpoint, I feel like it's more that the department can can do as well, as well as labor unions. But we really need to come together and really address this issue. Perhaps you know, mental health suppose them but I like to know will you be releasing making the video and audio available in a closed door session at a later date and time for the commissioners to review? What really happened out in the field?
Through the Chair? Yes, I will do that. And I also want to say a commission. I agree with what you said with regards to education of the community. I think that's a dynamic point. You know, I I I tried to be measured in my communication. I've worked very hard to maintain a certain decorum. And you said I have a big heart I hear that a lot. But my heartbreaks for the city because we're never having the right fights. We never had the right fights. You know, Engler shut down mental institutions in 1991. Track pumped his fist when he did it and told us it was okay Detroit had the biggest use rate at that time.
Nobody knew anything about it. Aw facilities was close
right away and then repurpose the dollars and told us it was okay and everybody smiled and went away. And then we push all these folks out of the systems onto the street when no help a homeless population goes up and people are looking around the room. I wonder why that happened? Why you think okay, and then you've got all these folks crime goes up. Wonder why that happened? Why do you think it happened? You have people that need shelter, so they they commit petty crimes. I didn't go to jail and get something to eat and get some maddest and we act like we're all educated. We all got these big titles and big seats and nice ties. We don't want to we don't want we push all this out to police. And then when it when it when what happens is what's likely to happen. We sit around, and we have meetings. And all those meetings, it was avoid solutions, and we start over again. So I do have big heart, but my heart is breaking every single day. So I'm going to do my part. I'm going to take a listen. Mental health is my passion and that's why I got educated in it. That's why I left the department for that time, but it did take another job and I was doing counseling as well. It's huge in our community. It's huge and stigmatized in our community greater than any other community because it's it's categorized as weakness. And until we get a handle on that to your point, Commissioner burden and talk to our communities. Straight up about what's happening, why we we have problems why people are choosing violence over the simplest of things. And guess what, if we really focus on mental health, I promise you some crime will go down. Crime will go down, it will dramatically drop. People will make better decisions people will stop shooting because you bumped into me and hit on my girlfriend. People will stop having road rage. These are mental health crisis that we are not addressing. Crime will go down and we can have less talk about ShotSpotter and facial Rec and everything else. So guess what, everybody gets fed everybody. But no, let's sit around and act like we don't see the real elephant in the room that nobody gives a damn. That's the problem. So when you go to the polls, make sure you punch the right tickets, those that have the interests of these communities in mind, and not a soundbite of what we did wrong, because that's the problem. Thanks, Jane.
Thank you chair. See it I first discovered CIT I think it was early right before COVID kicked up 2020 And personally, I was so excited to know that DPD was in the business of trying to de escalate situations with law enforcement members who had had the mental health training. So that's a plus and hopefully, more law enforcement members will make the choice to be be involved in the training revenue. Commissioner. Hi. Like, I've been at three governors receptions and you're right. No one mentions. What are we going to do governor about the mental health situation in the state. I just text to the reps that I believe once they understand the favor, that citizens we we've addressed it but we just haven't pushed the metal to say if you want our vote you have to start engaging in a dialogue whereby mental health institutions can start to come back to the way they were or or similarly the way they were doing English days at Northville. I just text the commissioner card. Because her her her sweetheart is in Lansing. And I've also text my state rep. Stephanie Young. Governor Whitmer is going to be down in Detroit, October 15. And Robin Holly, if I get that mic, I'm gonna quote Yeah. So thank you, chief white, for your leadership.
Thank you. And in closing my commitment, again, is to be transparent, communicate with this community and communicate with this board. Thank you.
Thank you, Chief. Thank you.
Quick question. Mr.
you pretty much just answered but I have to get this off of my plate. What is the underlying cause for shootings in Detroit? Just a segue for a second in your viewpoint,
impulse decision making impulse decision making, you know, when we debrief these shootings, we find that you know, we have one downtown three guys got shot, one guy, and the guy walked past him and gave him What did he say it was some I mean, I'm must reenact was not strong as but it basically what we would have called in our day grabbed him and and when he came out of the facility, they were in they were waiting on him and there you go, it was a shooting. So he looked at you wrong, and look you up and down, basically is what he said and you know, that's a shooting and we've I mean, that's and that's the story fill in a name happens all the time drive by shooting over drugs. We still have a huge marijuana problem. The underground marijuana people thought that that would would taper off but you know, it's got different potency. And so there's still a competitive business and that if you sell into the wrong area, there's a drive by the hounds. Grandma in the kitchen making dinner has nothing to do about the drug sales is happening with with the person living in her house and she gets hit I mean, it's those kinds of things all the time. Thank you. All right. Thank you.
Thank you, sir. Now, I'd like to entertain a motion for the agenda for October 6 2022.
Second. Any discussion?
Yes, Mr. Chairman, I had notified you that I wanted on the agenda today. The fact that we wanted to amend the minutes for September 29.
Commission that will be under new business. We're going to entertain your motion under new business. So it's
been properly second on the agenda, Mr. Chairman,
on the new business, you can put it on. So it's been properly second and no further discussion. All in favor, aye. Aye. All opposed, no. Okay. Motion is carried. No. The minutes of the previous meeting has been distributed for September 29 2020. To our day into correction corrections to the minutes. Hearing none. minutes will be approved as read. Madam Secretary?
Yes, sir. Through the Chair, honorable board. Please note the following as far as staff introductions first of all, Sergeant Allen plan is an his audio and visual team are handling the board's audio and visual needs. The record reported today is Mr. Dan Handyside and the following Board staff members are in attendance. Were parliamentarian Dr. Francis Jackson. Assistant Corporation Counsel, Christopher Michaels, Mr. resupply some can Community Relations Coordinator, Mr. Robert Brown administrative specialist, Miss Jaya Underwood administrative assistant, Miss Candace Hayes administrative assistant and again we welcome her to the bmpcc of Detroit family. senior investigator Tiffany Stewart, Director Katrina Pattillo, Director of police personnel on Zoom, Interim Chief Investigator Lawrence Akbar. And that concludes the staff introductions. Thank you.
Thank you. We have sitting in for the chief
Good afternoon board this is Assistant Chief David Lavallee. Office of Professional Development.
Thank you, who do you have with you today?
I'm going to let the staff from the department introduce themselves if they would, starting with second deputy chief Oh.
That's it. Fantastic.
Okay. Miss White. Do we have any special guests
Yes, sir. Through the Chair, Miss for the butler, president of the second precinct Police Community Relations Council. Miss Murray overall state representative Tyrone Carter's office and vice president of the Fourth Precinct Police Community Relations Council and also on Zoom former Police Commissioner William Davis. Thank you.
Yes. And for the record, I would like to put on that. Commissioner Burton has entered and Commissioner Lisa Carter has entered. All right. Thank you. Again, I want to thank everybody for attending this board's meeting. I would like to share a few and several updates with you. We recently attended a briefing regarding the officer involved shooting that occurred in the area of Linden and Snowden. We also received recently received more information from the department regarding other measurements taken by DPD we continue to extend our condolences to the family of Mr. Parks, as well as keep all parties involved, including DPD and our thoughts and
prayers. This was a tragic tragedy.
And we continue to review and evaluate the facts and circumstances along with DPD towards prevented these instances from ever reoccurring again. We know the investigation is currently underway. So we look forward to the department sharing his findings and any recommendations you want to show in transparency and accountability. Additionally, the board continues to monitor and evaluate this area in conjunction with the Department to ensure best practices, lessons learn and transparency. Today just received the department's offer. Some of our shooting investigation may direct it for our review and approval. Therefore, we look forward to weigh in on this policy and obtaining public feedback. The briefings include our review and assessment of these incidents and policies continue to be priority for this board. In addition to updates on crime patterns and trends, we look forward to more information from the cheap on this matter. Secondly, the OPC has received the revised committee assignment and responsibility lists effective today, committee meetings. Committee meetings are scheduled for next Wednesday, and will continue to occur every second Wednesday. The meeting schedule and staff assigned to the committee can be found on the committee's list. Following each committee meeting. committee chairs are required to submit a written committee report to the prpc Awesome. We will hear information from commissioners and staff regarding the Youth Advisory Panel. Yeah, new bill PC initiative Neiko information, border boards and communities awareness and other important topics our final presentation today comes from risk management, the unit responsible for monitoring patterns and trends to improve officer behavior and eliminate risks. On October the 20 20/22. OCI will hold a presentation on citizen complaint data, other patterns and trends related to police misconduct, complaints and recommendations for best practices. Lastly, today, we have a resolution for Sergeant David backpack, acknowledging his 53 years of service at Wayne State University and BLP staff have collaboratively report it as a report and presentation. We at the board continuing to work with department to enhance data reporting on non criminal citizen complaints, outcomes and outputs and other key law enforcement data measures. We look forward to sharing more updates findings with the community for the board and the department as part of our joint commitment to transparency and accountability. To that in the joint presentation from the Wayne State University. Police Accountability Task Force and the bo PC staff were present on his findings and after action measures regarding the Wayne State University Police Accountability Task Force and B LPC staff collaborate collaboratively report early in November. Lastly, a few reminders for the meetings. Commissioners. I say this again, commissioners please wait to be recognized by the chair before speaking. Please refrain from extra comments and discussions, Dora reports, presentations and when a speaker has the floor. A copy of the board's bylaws is included in the meetings packet along with other key information regarding Robert's Rules of Order and parliamentarian procedures. This will keep order. This will keep order. I'm gonna say that again. This will keep order and the quorum and our meeting. This will keep order and a quorum in our meetings. Finally DPD graduation is tomorrow, Friday, October 7 2022 at 10:30am. It's going to be held at greater Grace Temple. I'm sorry greater Grace Church located at 23 500 West Sam ma ro Detroit, Michigan for a two one night again that starts at 10:30am Wow No, I'm okay. All right. All right. We have a resolution or or retired Sergeant David babcom.
Thank you through the chair resolution honoring Sergeant David W. Babcock, whereas David Babcock was appointed to the Detroit Police Department on August 18 1969. Upon graduating from the Detroit Metropolitan Police Academy officer Babcock began his career at the second precinct patrol operations section. And whereas officer Babs Cox assignments with the Detroit Police Department included the second precinct aviation section seven the precinct and crime laboratory section, and whereas officer Babcock displayed tremendous knowledge and leadership skills, and earn motion to the rank of sergeant on December 22 1999. As Sergeant he was reassigned to the crime laboratory section, Sergeant Babcock's last assignment was crime scene services where he served until his retirement and whereas Sergeant Babcock was the deserving recipient of the following awards chiefs Unit Award life saving award three departmental citation award five chiefs merit awards six citation awards both consent judgment Awards, the Ford firework award the Major League Baseball All Star recognition award the Rosa Parks you know Recognition Award and the Super Bowl. What is that 44 Do you Recognition Award. He also received numerous letters and commendations from citizens and superiors and whereas these many accolades are only part of the remarkable testament of Sergeant babcox outstanding and steadfast performance throughout a career that spanned six decades, during changes in law enforcement and society Sergeant Babcock tirelessly served the Detroit Police Department, the citizens of Detroit and its neighboring communities for 53 years. He has served the Detroit Police Department and the citizens of the city of Detroit with loyalty, professionalism, integrity, and dedication and is widely respected throughout the law enforcement community as the consummate professional Now therefore, be it resolved that the Detroit board of police commissioners speaking on behalf of the citizens of the great city of Detroit recognizes and honors the lifelong contributions and commitment to excellence in public service of Sergeant David Babcock. His display of courage and unwavering community spirit has improved the quality of life for the citizens of Detroit. We wish you all we wish you all the best in future endeavors. We thank and congratulate you, Sergeant David W. babcom.
Some of this resolution as well with
any discussion. All in favor, Aye. All opposed to be entered into the record. Thank you, Mr.
President. Sergeant David Babcock.
Yes, Sergeant Davis babcom. Congratulations, sir. 53 years. Wow, it's a long time. I kind of got Yes. Mr. Brown. We're going into oral communications how many speakers
Good afternoon Mr. Chair in the soundboard. There are seven speakers with to be and present and five on Zoom. The first speaker will be Miss video Butler followed by Miss Victoria shell.
Good afternoon board. Good afternoon. Afternoon as depressant chiefs report. Your meeting September 22 2022.
And you speak into the mic.
Thank you. Your meeting September 27 2022 regarding an email sent to the nako board, denying a seat for a member of Detroit to represent our city. The email I requested to see that came from Mr. William Davis was different from the flyer. Mr. Davis did sign his email, but the flyer was professionally done by others and I believe with some legal experience, how humiliating for the persons who participated in this Act and went to a national meeting financed with our tax dollars to do such a thing. Commissioner Holly, you are absolutely right to be upset and embarrassed. And I thank you for reporting this matter to Reverend Al Sharpton. From reports I have heard regarding they call Detroit has always been held in the highest esteem. Commissioner Bernard. I live in district seven. And I have spoken with Mr. Davis privately about the help we need in district seven and about his behavior on this board. I have not seen what you stated about Mrs. Davis's work in my community. Please inform me of what Mr. Davis has done to contribute to district seven. He and the former Councilman did not serve our community well. I gave a list of names and addresses of businesses offending our community and handed them to the former Councilman Gabe Leyland and how these businesses were affecting our health and destroying our communities. He did nothing as expected what was happening with the councilman and Mr. Davis always gives a beautiful smile. I have asked and received help from other commissioners on this board.
Thank you Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you Good afternoon honorable board.
First I'd like to just offer condolences to the family of Porter banks during Burke sorry during this awful time as a licensed em song. I'm sorry. On a microphone sorry. As a licensed EMT, it seems that we're transporting mental health patients to mental health hospitals, just about as often as we're transporting medical patients is certainly a problem. And I appreciate the comments made by Chief white today and his commitment to look at ways to handle these types of situations better, and I trust that he'll do that. But I'm asking you to take a leadership role and also include the community and providing ideas on how to handle mental health cause as well as looking at the force continuum. I completely understand the need to stop a threat and agree that a knife is a deadly weapon. But as we've discussed today, it's a different type of weapon and there are different devices as well as hand to hand techniques that can be used to apprehend someone who has a knife. And we really need to look at training the officers or even a special task force to deal with those type of situations so that we can stop the threat to officers as well as the community while preserving the life of the human best posing a threat. Thank you. Thank you,
Mr. Chair. Your next two speakers would be Miss Bernie Smith followed by Minister air Glock.
Miss Good afternoon, commissioners. My heart is heavy today. And it's because of the fact that police have been put in a situation where I do not approve of but there's nothing I can do about it. But I will tell you this is time for us to utilize that doggone building that sitting on 75. You can put up Joe Lewis highway, but you can't open up that building over there that was closed down years ago by Engler. It was a medical affiliation for the for the for the people who were in need. We need to open it up. If we're not going to do it and get another building the one there on the lodge open it up. I'm sick and tired of the police being in a position where they gotta look out for their own lives. And I'm sick and tired of the lawyers getting money and making money off of us. Let's do something about it opening up the doggone buildings. I'm going to talk to the mayor about it and we got we got a deputy mayor down here today we can talk to all so let's do something about it still talking all the doggone time. I am upset I'm really upset and I'm sick here at home but I gotta listen and see this on TV. And it's terrible. We need to do something the mayor needs to have some people stop making image rich, rich downtown. We need help and we need it now. Chief you did an excellent job on the report and there are some things that I want to talk with you about in private and I'm not going to do it in public because I do have some opinions about what did happen. But the fact is, we need help here in Detroit. I'm talking to people calling me from Chicago telling me and talking about what the police is doing. You can't talk about Chicago no more and then we have to do better in finds all the shooting going on. We need to stop it. This going in and car shooting and highway
blot me more. Yes, we can hear you. Yes,
this is the Minister Eric block and say that our Catholic Church in Detroit, a commissioner who is right to say that they're tired of talking about things that don't matter. But over the six years of my involvement with this board, it has revealed that no matter who the chairperson is on his board, it's always the same orchestrated game being played. The time for this board to stop playing these stick games as long overdue. The blood of Porter Burke's the mentally man shot by five different DPD officers 32 times with live bullets. His blood is on the hand of each and every one of you commissioners. If this board could practice independence, the number one principle of Nichols effective public oversight. This board would not quickly move away from issues of police misconduct and lethal force involvement to awarding an employee not employed by this board. This board should demand the entire officer's body worn camera footage be released to the public. But no the only footage released was five minutes and 15 seconds when Mr. Burke was approximately 30 feet away from any officer. The complete body worn camera footage of the killing of Hakeem Littleton was released within four hours, but only after hundreds of citizens were at the same time marching toward the 12 precinct. Mr. Burke's blood is on the hand of each and every one of you board members DPD in this board's false narrative of transparency rings hollow to the community. Even the basic evidence of body worn camera footage is hidden from the public. With over $400 million in a budget
and a last fight for
Mr. Chair, your next three speakers will be Miss Brenda Hill, followed by Cheryl followed by former commission William
Davis. Oh, hey, caller Hey, just unmuted me.
I mean, everything that everybody said today is valid. Everything even the chief. We have a dead young man though. That was mentally ill. We have five officers that now have blood on their hands. They are mentally ill now. We failed. This young man. We all failed. We've had two Democrats that want governors that could have rescinded. What, um, England did they did not but we just gave them standing ovations at the Democratic Convention. We're walking around like this is every day happenstance. No, every time an officer shoots someone, we get a black guy. And this right here is the least of us. The least of us, that was shut down by police going in knowing they had a mentally ill person. This guy did not know us, you telling them to put the knife down. I mean, his brain does not work that way. And no officer should not have felt like they were
Something more has to be done having over $4 million budget and facial recognition and green light and ring cameras. And now you're trying to have ShotSpotter has not helped. What will help is some Benny used to say almost 80% of the people in his jail. were mentally ill. We've known this. We don't need to keep talking about that. We need to be fixing the issues. Those that are not mentally ill. If they we get them good paying jobs. Crime would go down and we know this. And these folks with mental illness, crime would go down if we got them some help.
Sir Yes, I am a 35 year city Detroit retiree.
I am a well in very involved community person in my community. And I attended cop car Coffee With A Cop I attend all my association meetings as much as I do. And my my reason for first reason with a colleague was because the MPOs have we have a car that has been sitting in on a corner fosse and, and Keisha for years and I'm told that they the MPOs are the ones that were supposed to give this to we give it to him. That car has not been moved for over a year and a half. And I just want to know what what is going to be what are they going to do about this? You know, and I can't go into the MPO thing like I want to see the timeframe. But what I that's all I'm allowed, but I want I'm asking for that to be addressed and Commissioner hope knows about it. I gave her she has the pictures. And we need to know when can we get this thing done. And second, I want to commend chief, the chief for his report and for his knowledge and background in this incident. And and yes, my daughter is a mental health therapist. Okay. And she's been doing this for many years. And she is and and this is something that is so well needed in this community that as young as the Navy mission, why have they not opened up those facilities with, you know, with these democratic people, so I'm going to end it there but please get that car off
the street. Thank you The Chair. Thank you,
Cheryl. Well, Commissioner Davis.
Good evening, everyone. I find what happened is with very troubling. Five officers fired over 30 shots, and less than half of them made contact with with that young man what happened to the other bullets. Also, I received a lot of calls this week from a number of people from Nikon from all over the country. Ask them what's going on in Detroit. You know, in the city of Detroit. We've spent millions and millions and millions of dollars for tasers, but it still seems like some of these officers would prefer this to shoot and kill especially young black man. You know, we need to look into the demographics of the people who's doing the shooting. But you know, we have problems here. This board needs to have you know, this is one of those rare occasions so I agree with Commissioner Bell this board should need to be pushing more about mental health they need to have some mental health policies and procedures. It does not take I mean once one person shoots their gun you don't have to have for others keep shooting their guns.
You know, this is
horrible, horrible, you know like say during the protest, you had offices that would dig shields and this and that and rubber bullets and being bags and stuff. You know, the first priority should be the protection of everyone. Everyone should come come away. Alive. I know some people don't care about young black man. And some of y'all act like you don't care about the community. But this board can do and should do more. You actually have some public service announcements on mental health. I should have a town hall on mental health. There's a lot more that I could do and said thank you. Thank you,
Mr. Chair. That was your last speaker.
Thank you. Now for the record. The Chief's office did extend all the board members to come and reviewed a body cam footage and some board members took advantage of it the ones that could have been there. Um, second thing is if you have a car on your street and your MPL is not doing the right thing, by all means say something about it. But secondly, you can use it Detroit and prove that take a picture of that car. And then a couple of days it'd be gone. I'm the chair. Yes.
Okay, this car has been parked on pause for a year. And the citizen that called in she and another citizen have been taken up a discussion with the MPOs at the eighth precinct. They believe it needs to be kicked up to another level. You say call you know, I use an ad and put it on improve Detroit as well. Okay, so,
okay, well, we'll try to figure something else out. Here's the trick. All right. Um, now we got a presentation. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm just
gonna say it after the meeting. If I if you can give me that. I'd appreciate that. That's why she called them seemed like it should be okay.
For a reason. This way, we have presentation
through the chair, Captain Dietrich lever will be providing the presentation on with risk management. And this comes at the board's request to request for the department to provide a quarterly update on the department's measures to assess and evaluate patterns and trends and to prevent and mitigate mitigate risk behavior. So again, we thank the department for sharing a quarterly updates you did receive the full presentation in your packet, along with other support material. Thank you.
Thank you. Ready to hit sir,
through the Chair. Good afternoon. I'm Danny Dietrich deliver the captain in charge of risk management. thank you today for this opportunity to present the risk management unit a report. On next
slide. I'm sorry, can you speak into the mics. Next slide. Thank you.
Next slide, please. So our overall goal of risk management is to reduce the risk to the Detroit Police Department members to Detroit community and to Detroit police department itself. We basically do that through risk identification, intervention and intervention and mitigation training. Follow up and we want to make sure we ensure the continued success of the Detroit Police officers. Next slide. They'll give you an overview of our risk management process how we basically how we do what we do. There's an that risk identification process. We do a risk assessment written report. We make recommendations for risk mitigation strategy that we monitor and follow up with usually within 90 days. So the risk identification methods Next slide please. So some of the methods we use to identify risk is through our preliminary risk score. And it was presented to the board in the past where basically we have a computer program that attach values to officers incidents, to give us a preliminary risk score to know what to look out for. We use DPD entities such as the commands the mass or mass is what is the management awareness system information. We use OCI notifications, event related notifications. For example, maybe there's an accident that came out an at fault accident by a police officer. There was a suit that came out or a high profile incident may have come across the media. My team will take a look at that anything absent officer involved shootings, we do not do risk mitigations on those while they're open and active under investigation, not so personal observation. So if a member of my team is contacted, if we see something that we have concerns with, then we'll go to something about it as well.
Next slide, please.
So to give you a little bit of information about our risk management assessment report, it's actually a written report. It contains our reviews our findings, our risk mitigation, recommendations, and we're looking for patterns and trends of behaviors that indicate risks or opposites. We use things like I'll go over just highlighting we use our use of force reviews we review the officers use of force, where we reviewed their citizens complaints. We watched body worn cameras, we actually talked to the commands to see if they can if they know what's going on with your officer. They can enlighten us to instances at CD pocket. And we also use Pierce comparisons. My team came up with it I thought it was a good idea. So when I say peer comparisons, we'll chart out what the officers responsibilities. Some officers who were hired around him had the same as for him or her I'm sorry, and had the same responsibility. So we'll check their level risks versus their peers and see where they fall. So that's a good indicator for us. Next slide please. So I talked about risk mitigation strategies that you can see, I can tell you today that we have a younger police department now than when I came home. So training is at the top and I'm not going to tell you when I came on so but I can tell you training is at the top and for very good reason training and retraining. So as I'm looking through risk mitigation reports and the risk assessment reports, most of most of the times when a Detroit police officers involved in an incident it's a teachable moment, they didn't know so we train we retrain. We also use other department resources to mitigate our risks like direct supervision, mentoring, counseling, and if you slide all the way down to the bottom, we have our peers plus meeting, which is basically our ACE and I'll talk about that a little later. So I know we've talked about the management awareness system. We are in the people I want to say this though we are in the people in the community service business. So risk assessment and risk management is the responsibility of every Detroit police officer, every Detroit police leader, so in a proactive way. So what we use is the one we've had for a long time now was management awareness system. I know we've talked about it but I put up a visual aid and things is one of your packet. So if you look at the arrows that point inward, that to tell you a little bit about me and my background, I have a picture of me and this will be this is for every officer, I'm gonna tell you, that's not the picture to take us but that's the one I'll put up. Anyway, they got a picture of every officer so who we know we're dealing with, I'll tell you a little bit about my background. I'm African American, you'll have my badge number when I had one, and if you can look at it if you look at the arrows pointing down, all of those correspond to a tab that is a drop down tab. So right now, what you're looking at is my HR info, right? That's my human resources info, but we also when we're doing our risk mitigation strategies or our risk mitigation, at risk assessments, these are the types of information we're using we have our wards and our training you you have F was my uses of force throughout the department pursuits and Crassus pursuits and classes that may be involved in every drop box. Every drop box has not opened. I'm just giving you a visual aid of what we use, see sees my citizens complaints, what my team will look at all of that peers reports, which stands for performance evaluations and enhancement sessions. And this is at the command level. Remember I said peers plus we'll talk about a little bit later. They also do peers at the command level. And what that is. Once they have indicated that they found risks. They will have command meetings with their command officers, their lieutenants their sergeant we put them on a program so we can take a look at we can monitor their behaviors so we can ensure success and we can get better they also have my litigations and allegations and overall statistics.
Next slide please. So as a measurables as metrics year to date, we've completed 13 risk assessments on officers and members. I'm sorry, not just officers, police members. We have four currently in progress with total 17 For our strategies, like I said training was at the top and is at the top or reason we've recommended 13 training sessions already. Three offices were temporary. Three members were temporarily assigned. And leave complete. I'm sorry, we recommended seven peers plus meetings, which I will talk about later promise. Five are complete. We have one scheduled for next week and we have one pending. So if your next slide please appears plus meeting so and I introduced to this AST. So this is an executive level peers meeting I told you about the peers and that's where our command opposite to push for this peers plus, if you get to a level of risk where we believe we need to do intervention, this will be our highest level of intervention. So occasionally you may sit down with the chief of police. Definitely the assistant chief of police in charge of your errands. He will sit down with your deputy chief in charge in your area, your command officer your captain your ship, Lieutenant, if need be. We will sit down in an open forum here in headquarters where they get to meet the command officers. And we we stressed the organizational coordinates or to the opposite to the members were stressed their role in impacting the community impacting the department, especially if it allows, excuse me, especially if you're at a level of risk where you caught the attention of the Assistant Chief. So it's a non punitive individualized training. So there's no there's no blueprint for it. So of the area of concern is use of force. That's what we'll talk about, oh, that's what the command officers will talk about and anything else that they feel is relevant at the time. The officer has input. He may want to change the venue and ask to be signed up for meeting. Maybe they'll do that. They'll accommodate him and let him go to a new command for 120 days or so to get a new perspective for the department. But it's really open. It's an open forum is designed to enhance and assist enhance the officer to improve his career and make sure he has a long and illustrious career here at Detroit. Police Department. As measures of success. I remember talking to Tara Holly before he wanted to see some measures of success. I can tell you one thing that just because you are a subject of a risk assessment, this is not on slide just because your rest. This is from memory. Just because you're subject of a risk assessment doesn't mean that you you're at you're participating in at risk behavior. I'll share a story with you. I know the person who was second on our preliminary risk score he he or she was the second heights. So what we did is we took a look of everything he did in his career starting with us this was his primary concern was the support. We looked at everything he did throughout his career use of force citizens, points, pursuits, Crassus. Everything is litigates. It's his complaints. So what we found is this officer was doing exactly what the Detroit Police department wanted him to do. And I say that because I can tell you on one so I'm gonna tell you about three instances. And once again, I said his problem his area of concern that problem his area of concern was his support. I watched on his video cam, where he went to break up a fight and as he was breaking up a fight, a fight started behind him. So once he once he finished with this one, he literally went over there and he handled the second. This obviously due to the use of force reports, right remember his area of concern was support. I watched this officer on another video. He was literally acquiring a target at one target at one place. Another fight broke out in the back of him. So when he got finished acquiring the target, he had that one piece he called for backup like he did. He did a good job and went over and he had the display. He did two more use of force reports. Alright, so again, I literally one more one more instance this officer. Anyway, the third was slipped. But what he did is every time sorry. He responded to a scene of a
intoxicated driver. The driver refused to get in the car. They talked him down here. We used to have the gentleman actually sat in the car. He wouldn't go any further. So the officer picked up his legs, rotated him in the car, sat him in the car. The officer did he use a force report. So he did exactly what we wanted to do. And at the end of the day, we gave him kudos out of board. So we're not going to tell him not to do it. You support support right. But it didn't it came up high on the report. But anyway, I can tell you what the everybody who has have who has had a risk assessment with the exception of one, their risk score from then to now is down the separate one, the one the one who's went up part of his problem was he wasn't he failed to report a couple of uses force. He actually reports them now so we expect them to go up is self assessing. I can tell you that myself and my former lieutenant was now Captain Donna McCourt. congeneric Congratulation to her have often have actually filled calls from officers and command officers inquiring about their risk or inquiring about where they sit on the risk when the rescale so it's self assessing. So it was working. And one one more one last story and I'll move past this. One person who was involved in the piers plus process where you got to talk to the chief assistant chief, the deputy chief, which I had an opportunity out he was gracious enough to sit down and talk to me and give me feedback about it. And when he did, he said it was a great process. I didn't understand the impact I was having on the community. I'm glad I went through this. I now understand better. He has renewed his career and he's doing a fantastic job today. He really did. And I was thankful that he had an opportunity. He took the time to sit down with me. I will next slide please. Oh sorry. Today we have again a seven. We have five completed we got one scheduled next week and one is pending. Next slide please. And this will be the last one I promise. So all every time there's an indicator or a trigger. We don't do a risk assessment. However, we will do something about every time that we're notified. Well, we do as a preliminary inquiry. Today we do we've done 20 So for instance, if I looked and there was a teletype or department message that an officer was involved in at bot accident, I want to know is this a one time thing was he had three or four of them. So if he's had three or four, we're going to start a risk assessment so we can chart to try to reduce get this officer turned around to reduce his risk. This is just a one time thing we've done to memorialize it in writings and then we're going to move on to the next one. So to date we've done 120 Actually 21 of those we have one completed today, Tim we're 11 we're event triggers, and Tim wood notification triggers where maybe one of my command officers will call and say Hey, can you take a look at this because I'm having a problem with that. And with that, Oh, I'm sorry. Okay, my last one anytime I get before you, I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm going to sum it up like this. The primary areas of concern for risk management will be the members and communities safety and welfare as well as the department's image reputation and liability. And with that, I will take any questions.
Awesome report. Yes,
if I may. Just add one thing before we go to questions. There was good job captain, but he did mention early on in the presentation that they don't look at officer involved shootings. And I just want to clarify that that is his particular unit. I don't want to leave people the impression that we're not quite done. They are very extensively reviewed by our force Investigation Unit, which is part of Internal Affairs. They're reviewed for tactics for policy for legality. We also have an executive level shooting review where we have our use of force experts come in and break down minute by or second by second officer involved shooting so they are extensively reviewed. Just not by Captain levers unit until after everything's closed. Okay. All right. Thank you.
Thank you, Chief.
That was my question.
No, no comment. Commissioner more.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman, just quickly, commander who puts the information into mass and is there a timeframe in which they have to do it?
So to the best of my knowledge, we have a mask admin team, and they entered information into masks. It's done on the backhand. If there's a Pierce if there's a peers, remember I said the command level peers is populated by the lieutenants and sergeants who's doing a review of the officers.
Right here a time frame okay.
So, dimension awareness system information is entered in a variety of different methods. So some of it is self initiated by officers. So when an officer uses force, or is involved in a vehicular pursuit, they go into the management awareness system and they have a dashboard that allows them to enter forms. So that's where they're required to enter their force report, or if they acquire a target, and that populates to their profile. There's other officer information that is entered, such as training records, so those are entered by training. In when their database then populates maths Officer, the Chief Investigator when somebody has citizen complaint that's entered, you know, through OCI or through the supervisor that puts it into mass. So some of it is self report. Some of it is other entities reporting. Some of it just taps into other databases like the HR database we have in the department.
there a timeframe. Well,
depends on the type of incident but you know, use of force has to be reported before the end of the shift. Before you go home. It has to be reported training records. Those are actually entered into the state of Michigan's M calls training database and then they send a feed to us so that sometimes there will be a delay. If you had training last week, it wouldn't be on your mass profile, but it would be there once the information is sent to us. So it all varies.
Commissioner Presley Thank you third report.
Commissioner banks. Yes,
I'll put it here. Captain you say that. You you you retrain. Now are you retraining officers who have a record of misconduct and and when they have a record of misconduct, are you seeing results can officer that operates and have a track record and misconduct come for for positive results after they receive that training? How has that what type of success rate have you had there?
So when you say misconduct, you take it out of the element of risk management. So we're pre we're proactive. So if you're talking about misconduct, these are he or she has already done some things. It's up to the disciplinary system. So are you asking him about disciplinary are you asking about after risk management program?
We're talking about discipline this plan.
So this one here is a different track. So risk management does not just do disciplinary administration. So when they go to disciplinary, we have a disciplinary matrix, we follow progressive discipline. So it depends on what they did. We have a metric to tell us what the penalty should be requested penalty, that open disciplinary process and it's restorative. It's it's meant to rehabilitate, so but I don't have a barometer or a meter to say, you know, after he's gone to disciplinary, you know, has his behavior gone up and down. I don't I can't answer that. But
so so I do
think, I don't think I know that in the in the risk management process, adjudicated discipline or actions, that even
those are reviewed as part of the risk management process. So even though they don't, they don't administer the discipline, they don't give out the discipline. They're looking at all of those incidents for patterns of conduct for practices. And then there are recommendations that come out of those risk assessments for training that is related to the activity that the officers participated in. So some of that is discipline Some of it's not
okay, Captain. What are some of the areas of an officer where you missed, retrain that officer in some of the things that the officer was not doing right. What are some of the areas would also receive upgraded training and retraining Yan? Can you give me a little bit of that please? Sure.
I wouldn't say not doing right. But I will say at risk behavior. So we have sensitivity training. We also sensitivity training we had use of force training to reinforce the use of force training. We have emergency vehicle operating trainer to reinforce training, not trying to reinforce their driving activities. We have. I mean, there's a plethora of training because it's individualized based on what we see. That's what we recommend. Like even peers Plus is a type of training the period plus interviews a type of training.
Fantastic, what what type of success rate after they get that retraining?
Well, again, so everybody who has a risk assessment, had their peers plus scores went down. It's kind of like the success stories. I was only with one guy that we were looking at. He did exactly what we wanted to what we wanted to do. I know one guy we have his actually went up however, he was recording for it like we wanted him to do. We have one and went up and he's he's back at the system. So we'll go at it again. So there's no one thing is so individualized. It depends on what we see. Depends on what we do.
Fantastic. They see hope.
Okay, thank you for your report. When when T word came on board and made mentioned that he was going to really go in and start revamping the risk management process. It helped me as Commissioner because when I came on board and 2019 I couldn't believe how law enforcement members could be promoted and they would have all these citizen complaints that were on the record. To that is it more likely they're say a law enforcement member that is in the homicide division? Would that law enforcement member likely generate more citizen complaint say than
So, I'm gonna say no, so they're both very administrative. I'm gonna say no, it's not more likely to the homicide investigator. Okay. Well,
it's the nature that in the law enforcement members position would in itself generate more opportunities for citizen complaint.
This is true. Do you want to ask her chief?
Well, I just want to say I mean, if you look at those two specific assignments, it may be no but certainly, assignment has a lot to do with the likelihood of having risk indicators based on the fact that you're going to have a lot more citizen contacts, you're going to have a lot more activity that's high risk. Somebody at our narcotics unit is doing raids constantly. So they're engaged in higher risk activity. If you were to compare them to an officer who is working in the administrative staffs office or in my office, officers working mouth is aren't generating any complaints, but they don't have a lot of citizen contact. You know, an officer working nights on the street has a lot more citizen contact than somebody else. So certainly assignment does play a role.
That's one second, please. So then how is it a fair assessment? When is someone who has time to evaluate that individual law enforcement members record in terms of that individual being recommended for a promotion? I mean, the sheer nature of his profession would again generate a lot of negative reward it
will not necessarily just because you're having contact with a citizen doesn't mean necessarily mean it has to be negative. Okay, when you talk about spirits, we're only we're only assessing you on your behavior. So again, like the number two guy in the city, he did exactly what one is do however, he had a high risk score. So when you say fairness, we only like I'm not comparing you I'm not doing a risk assessment for you versus assistant to valley. Okay. It would be for cheer halt. Right. So I'm looking at your activities. My team is looking at your activities based on your citizens complaints based on your use of force. Oh, that's right. So just because I have a contract with a citizen, doesn't necessarily mean it's negative.
Reports shouldn't be right.
Thank you for that. explanation.
Mr. Chair. Can I have a follow up to that question, though? Apologize. Follow up as compared to what you mentioned earlier about comparing peer comparison. How would peer comparison relate to an incident like that?
So they're similar. So we're just seeing where you stack up. So if I did appear is just a chart for our visualization to know where the officer stands. So if I do a peer comparison chart, and all your peers are have like, three or four, and you're a seven, then I need to pay some attention to you. Okay, all right. Not Not that, you know, you we expect you to be eaten. Maybe you need training in use of force, right? So we can get you what you need to be to serve the citizens properly.
Thank you Chair. I just want to we talking about customer service. We don't use that terminology and DPD in law enforcement basically, we have advocated with Chief craic and now chief white in reference to demeanor most of these complaints we read about Demeter, that's customer service. Do you have an impact? And that's one of the areas that we spent an academy talking to the officer about their demeanor. I use for example, state troopers. They have a good profile with a uniform and a good profile and you traffic stop. Over and over again. But they don't have this you know, help people help them that static whereas I know we do, historically. How can we impact customer service term Demeter every time I have an interaction? I get a survey. How will you treat it? And that's something that if we can drive down demeanor, then you see a gradual decline in terms so the complaint is so difficult. Why is it so difficult to enter encounter the public and most cases not a serious matter it just the encounter investigation. And I speak from experience. It's not that difficult to treat people like you want to be treated like your family want to be treated like you would want to be treated before we came a police officer. And now you got a badge and you expect officers treat you in a certain way. Right? So why can't we deal with that properly? Where are we in 2022?
So again, I think the risk assessment program will help here. I will tell you this personally for me, I treat people how will happen to treat my mother. Yes, let's see. I'll take some things that I wouldn't expect for you to my mother, but I'm only speaking for myself. So if I do see a problem with demeanor, again, training, training, training, sometimes it's sometimes it's a misunderstanding sometime I don't understand your culture. So I'm not communicating with you in the right way. Right. And I make literally, I don't want to take too much time but as a younger officer, I know we don't take gratuities right. So I went to a household in Dearborn and thanks for their Middle Easterners and literally, before they would talk to me, they made me take they tried to feed me they tried to give me water. I literally had to take an apple for them to talk to me. So if I would have never took that Apple, they would never talk to me, right. So you have to understand the culture to do and again, it's just at the top of the pyramid training. So it's training understanding, we have a DVI now. I talked to her often I'm sorry, diversity, equity and inclusion person and I speak with her often and we can we call it collaborate to try to get the best product out so that's, that's another entity of training. So I've recommended they go to TDI. I recommend de escalation training because sometimes it's de escalation like I'm talking to you. And and I'm, I'm taking up so much time, let me know. But I've watched an officer know literally I've watched an officer talk to a citizen, the citizen had just there was a shooting and the citizen was excited. And the officer said, Stop yelling at me. I'm sorry. Wait, wait, wait. She's excited. She's telling you the best way she can so it was just training. One. Commissioner.
Thank you, Mr. Chair. I like to piggy off the back of what Commissioner Bell said. The the end where we have a lot of technology now. On a ticket, we could place a QR code where a resident could scan and put in a ticket number and collect, put in the data for How were you treated? I mean, it's
as simple as that. Assistant, she is as simple as that. Like yes, ma'am. Thank you,
Commissioner Holly. No question. Thank you, sir. Commissioner. I'm sorry. I didn't see why.
Commissioner Burton at this time, oh,
thank you. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Madam
Secretary white. Yes, sir. The chair honorable board. The incoming correspondence is noted on the agenda. And it is clear on the agenda as far as the weekly DPD facial recognition recognition technology report and other technology reports but just want to move to some other items that is included, including your board meeting packet in Section six please, if you will, please refer to that section you will find other staff reports. Incoming correspondence includes the manual directive on 205 point 11 officer involved shooting investigations this policy directive came into the board's office for the Board's review and final approval it is being ordered it probably has been posted to the board's webpage for public feedback and inspection and also board staff will begin its review and an evaluation of the policy directive in connection with the policy committee. Additionally, the board received a staff report, along with other staff reports in regards to the formatting of minutes, reflecting the continued consistent formatting of the below PC minutes in line with the OPC customs. Also the board we see the Youth Advisory Panel update in regards to the progress of that initiative at this time, as blossom will share updates in that regard and also Madam Vice Chair holds and Commissioner Carter will also provide updates.
Madam Vice Chair,
oh, thank you for this opportunity. This discussion involves the Youth Advisory Panel. And it's it's I'm going to skim through it as quickly as possible. The board is aware that the Youth Advisory Panel initiative was resolved on May 12 2022. At this juncture we have recruited and are revealing the applications is it okay for to share these young people's names or no answers do we have a young person from Cesar Chavez High School relatives art Martin? Martin Luther King Wayne State University two applicants from Wayne State University. We need it to be known that the applications were online. I encouraged everybody I knew to go to the city of Detroit website to access the application. The age group for participants is between 20 is between 15 and 24. Now we're still accepting applications.
Through the Chair the application period has ended. September 30, was the last day okay.
All right. All right. Any other comments that need to be made about this report? No, ma'am. Yes, sir. All for my advantage. Because I know what's going on can add more
through the chair. I would just Thank you, Madam Vice President. I would just say that we would give thanks to Dr. V's office and his staff and I'm sorry, Angel Fox who shepherded the information through Detroit public schools, community district, also to the marketing director at the public library because we generated a lot of inquiries, by having the applications and flyers and all the public library branches. The report indicates the number into the 1000s of flyers and applications that we made available across the city. And we do appreciate the fact that people called and asked questions, and that the young people who were truly interested, took the time to not only do the application but to complete it and submit it by the deadline which as mentioned was September 30. We're conducting preliminary reviews of those applications and we're in contact with the supporters of those applications. And we look forward to having the group meet as a workgroup and make final decisions about the next steps. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Chair, yes. Okay. Thank you Miss blossom. Again, we need it to be noted that with Detroit Public School, we had access to a miss Angel Fox in the office of Dr. VD who helped facilitate applications throughout Detroit public schools. And I think our target was no more than seven people anyway. Is that accurate? So we didn't me we're good. Okay, thank you again, Miss blossom. Commissioner. Char Carter, and of course Miss White have this opportunity for me to be involved.
Yes, ma'am. Through the Chair and Mr. Chair, I do just have another update and thank you for your patience honorable board. We did we see correspondence from board parliamentarian from Dr. Francis Jackson regarding various motions for the Board's considerations. Dr. Jackson can share more information not necessarily details because all of the details are contained in those documents, but she can just add three items are included in your packet,
Mr. Chair before we get to two doctor's comments, I'd like to go back to some of the other items that the ACTING BOARD SECRETARY has referenced. Since we are assumed there for discussion as well. What what item is that? Well, several number one, the memo that she referenced regarding clarification regarding formatting of the LPC meeting minutes during the week of September 29 2022 does not address the substantive issue that I raised regarding we're not on that one. I got that but I saw that that was one of the men finally when you she also referenced committee assignments. I declined to be on the disciplinary administration, Mr. ative request committee. I have chaired the policy committee for the last year. i They're also requested to be on the Personnel Committee, none of my preferences nor nor any indication of where my strengths lie, have have been obviously addressed in terms of these committee assignments. Rather, they are designed to silence and and provide a lack of transparency, or quite frankly, credibility. Okay, but that's correct. So I decline,
okay, but I'm not so know that um, for the record, I asked commissioners to email me or call me what assignment they will do that I did that in an open meeting. And I got only one from one commission at mine. So you heard it, but in this room, okay, so we're gonna move right along now. Well, we, Miss Jackson, go right ahead.
Yeah, I'm not going to be marginalized. Mr. Chairman, let you listen. I'm going to have the floor. I'm going to accent how's the floor I'm going to address the matter formally.
floor. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I was asked to put together a handout that would help to elucidate the three main motions that are under bring back, reconsider resend animun something previously adopted. So that is the handout that you have in a table form. The motion to reconsider can only be made on the same day, as the motion you want reconsidered was disposed of, and that's whether it was adopted or voted down. To not make the motion to reconsider on the next meeting. It can only be made on the same day has to be made by someone who voted on the prevailing side. So if the noes prevail, you had to voted no. If the yeses prevail, you had to vote it. Yes. The person who sets the motion it doesn't matter how they voted. So if you want if you're going to second the motion, how you voted is in material. The thing that's important to remember about the motion to reconsider, it doesn't change anything. It doesn't change the motion that was adopted or not adopted. It only reopens that question. The big thing though, is that the motion to reconsider is the only bring back motion that can handle a motion a motion that was voted down. So if the motion was voted down, the only way to bring it back at that same meeting, is the motion to reconsider. The motion is to ascend amend something previously adopted and resend or have exactly the same rules and regulations. The only difference is when you resend something, you delete it, you erase it. When you amend something, you change it, but you keep it
and there's no
time limit on this. Doesn't matter how you voted. However, once that motion is made, to either rescind or amend something previously adopted, if it is voted down, it cannot be renewed at the same meeting. You can't keep bringing it back. At the same meeting. Now you can bring it back at the next week's meeting. But not so is for example, the only way to correct minutes is by the motion to amend something previously adopted. Okay, but the two motions have exactly the same rules. They do something differently. So those motions are adapted, they change what you did, whereas the motion to reconsider does now.
Alright, so now we're gonna move into while we go right past unfinished business, so we're gonna go right into new business. Now wait, we're gonna hang on we're gonna go Commissioner Bernard. Oh, new business. Well,
I've already first of all, Mr. Chairman, I'm gonna object to the agenda that was presented to you today. When you wanted to Reese resend your vote on the officer who we agreed to provide compensation to while he was suspended. That motion was printed on the agenda because you wanted to resend or in that essence, rescind your vote or amend it and I gave you written notice of my desire to put on today's agenda that my motion to amend the minutes of the 29th should be heard today. My statement is not on the agenda, which to me indicates some level of bias or prejudice, obviously because if yours can be on anyone else's can be on but mine is not. Now speaking to the merits of the of the motion that I made. Mike on the new business. Okay, of the motion. It has been the practice of this board for as long as I can remember, even when I was your lawyer, that and certainly commissioners bill and Carter can recall this, that the discussion by board members on a matter was never included in the minutes in the old days. It used to be included. It would be Bernard says so and so. You know Carter said so much. So Bill said so um, so that practice was ended several years ago and that's the minutes that you have received. Ever since I've been here since I've been back since I've been on the board for the last year or so. All of our minutes are matter of fact. We adopted the resolution for for XYZ period. There was no discussion in this in these particular minutes. The only reason that I objected last week was because it went into detail about first of all the motion was to approve the harassment policy. Agreed 100% unanimous we approved the harassment policy that the city of Detroit personnel department has fine. Then suddenly in the middle of the minutes, there's of that of that one item, there was a discussion about Neiko and about what happened in terms of an election and what a board member did all this ancillary stuff that had nothing to do with it. My motion at that time was to eliminate that verbiage. That's
all so what's your motion today? That's my motion. Motion so we can vote. We
eliminate that verbiage from the minutes it is inappropriate. It is inconsistent with our entire pattern, practice and procedure. Mr.
Chairman, we get a second, Mr.
Chairman, yes, the proper motion to be made when you want to eliminate verbiage from the minutes is the motion to expunge, okay,
okay to expunge whatever motion so much. So,
they did again, it requires a majority vote of the entire
board. Gotcha. So, the motion
is to expunge the language related to Neko and or board members from the motion for the adoption by this board of the harassment policy articulated by the city of Detroit personnel department.
Is it for discussion now. We already had the discussion.
The motion has to be second Commissioner. Need a second?
It has to be seconded but the motion to expunge has nothing to do with a motion to adopt the minutes Gotcha. It's a separate issue to say stripe this out. Okay, so expunged means of what this removes. Now what Robert says is you draw a line through it but when you publish these minutes, it will not include that language. If the motion to expunge is adopted. Okay. It must be seconded it is debatable and it will require six votes in the affirmative to be adopted.
Okay, is there a second? Second? Okay. It's open for further discussion. Mr. Chair. Yes, further discussion.
Madam Secretary, I just want a clarification. My understanding when you met this last week, is that it was a marks about the West was panics punched was not on the record. It was basically a comment by the chairperson.
For the chair. The only remarks that were included in last week's minutes, as our other minutes includes the chairpersons report or remarks. That's it. No other commentary no other discussion items were included. They're never included based on Robert's Rules of Order parliamentary procedure that you only you can just include the action items. But as far as the chairs report, his his or her report is contained in that if
I make commission,
you don't have the chair. Commissioner Hernandez
Thank you through the Chair. I just think we would all benefit from an actual draft copy of the minutes at hand with the actual expunged language that Commissioner Bernard is actually talking about. Right now. I have no idea. That motion was entirely vague and can be interpreted in way too many ways. So before I feel comfortable, either supporting or not, I think it's again, more beneficial to have an actual copy of that because I don't see it.
Okay, any further discussion?
On the motion to include with Commissioner Hernandez SSA, and Is that okay with
you? You mean first of all, so next, the next meeting? No problem.
Okay, then no problem. Hang on. Go ahead, Commissioner.
Yeah, so my comment is really just trying to figure out the effect of this motion. Being that I was on the assumption that our remarks in this public setting are matter of public record, and are kept as a matter of our engagement. So by striking this from the minutes, I'm just I'm confused about what effect
May I respond? The effect is that when people asked for the minutes of 10 meetings of say, the action items of the board are expressed in the minutes. There is no commentary in those minutes whatsoever. The chairs report is separate. He makes that at the beginning of the meeting. And other words, in other words, Commissioner Presley in the old days, if I was objecting to something it was in London, Bernard said you remember Ricardo it was say I said such as such and such. That's what these minutes did. They took us back to that minutes. We decided that our minutes would only reflect the action item and it would not express London. What Linda said what Sam said, But we stopped all of that. They're very precise and concise now. And that is the way and I'm sure Dr. will agree that that is the way many organizations operate these days. They don't go one day or several lenders said this and that and other. That doesn't work, because it creates confusion in the minds of the public. Okay, thank you adopted a resolution for an anti harassment policy in the discussion. We did that unanimously. So any other discussion about Neko? And what was totally inappropriate and shouldn't be in the minutes is self serving. However, it's obvious yes.
The point that I think we all need to understand what even with the young with the commissioner is is that if I made an if I say something, to be on the record, you keep that time you cannot deny me for what I want to say on record. I agree. You cannot deny me angry, I got a right to say and I if I if I wanted to back it up, or I may come to you and tell you how well it's sponsored. But you can you keep denying me or my right to say what I want to say on the no commission can do that. No, you can vote on it. And do it. But the most she don't have the right to it. She has a right but I feel like that's my that's
not a transcript. The transcript you can access online, what every commissioner said at every point, the minutes are not that
commission talking over everybody ain't got a chance to speak.
Were given to you
or any sort of border
commission about you. I
think. Commissioner Hernandez made a great point in reference to clarity. Commissioner Holly made a great statement in reference to putting something on the record he wants. He has that opportunity to do it as a commission speak. I want this on the record. Okay. The chair has opportunity to turn to a statement that on the record, there's no there's a difference between the chairman and the commissioner in terms of on the record, but we need clarity on exactly what this motion is speaking to in reference to this particular matter. So this should not be a vote on this matter at this particular moment.
So, okay, so now it has been seconded so she has to rescind that one. Correct. So she can put it in writing and send it out to all the commissioners so they can understand her recent min of motions, correct? No.
My understanding Mr. Chair is that the commissioner wants to the commissioners motion was to expunge certain words. resend is now what you can do, because it was actually something that occurred. You can't resend it, it actually happened. What you can do though, is move to expunge. If the commission is not ready to vote on the motion to expunge then my recommendation would be that you postpone that motion to expand to next week's meeting, at which time the section of the minutes that contains the words that the commissioner wants expunged will be available to the commissioners and then they will know what it is they're voting to expunge the only point of clarification, the parliamentarian needs is where these are the words that commissioner wants to expunge part of a written report that was submitted to the board. No. Excuse me, Mr. Chairman.
Yeah. Thank you. All right, all right. Sorry.
So it was not part of a written report. So the motion to be made would be to postpone the motion to expand to next week, when the minutes that are being questioned, would be available to all commissioners and the areas that the commissioner wants its funds would be clearly identified. Great. I will be at that meeting next week. Okay, so I got it. You need to make I want to make sure everyone's clear. So the motion doesn't go away.
That's fine. This chair.
So would you like to do that?
Absolutely. So move to postpone the motion to expand to next week when the minutes are available for everyone to review
support, which will identify the area to be sponged,
identified an area to be underlined that Alright, so now we're ready to take a vote. All in favor for next week. Additional question. So I'm sorry, go ahead.
I'm out of order now. No,
I just I'm big on clarity. So is the intent to expunge statements that were made? Yes. Regarding a call last week. That's the intent.
No, the intent the chair on the chair
or holistically I that's the point of clarity that I need. That's it. That's why she's got to put it in writing. Why won't both right I want to hear this first. If you allow
it. I just want to ask a question. I want to ask a question on the chair. As I understand a Commissioner Bill statement, it was that we any commissioner can ask the theory statement, be part of the be part of simply essentially the minutes of the meeting through a verbatim? If that's true, then I then that will change our minutes considerably if that's what we're going to do, because in the past you you were present when the board elected to have only action items in the minutes you were present. That's been the standard standard status quo for years. Now you're saying that if I want my statement, me let it Bernard or any other commissioner to be in the minutes we can request that our statement be part of the minutes. That's as opposed to part of the transcript. Commissioner Hernandez there is a written transcript of that besides every period, pause moment, everything. I mean, we used to use that. We used to use that but we don't use that anymore. We only do action items. We'll quit simple and then a hurry minutes. But if we're going to go to the point where I can request that my statement be part of the record. I want to I want to understand that that's the process now. We're any any commissioner can do it.
Would you like to
Mr. chair on the discussion? Yes. My statement is not the law is not the bylaws. But basically what I'm indicating to you is that you can make a request and the board can deny that request.
To have Yes, it's not
like ma'am, everything that you said put in the minutes. That's what you're saying.
I'm not saying that I just want to give clarity, don't put words into my mouth. Here, what I'm saying is that you can make a request I want this part of the record but when you talk about expanding a chairman remark, that's a whole different scenario. We need to do a living research. I would hope that not next week. You bring it back to week afterwards. We have a community meeting next week. Okay, no drama, and that would agree would be in the future, but not at that meeting next week. So I would suggest you amend your motion. That's the proper term, but two weeks from now
accept them and yes,
can we just do a majority or do we have to do a roll call?
Isn't asked a unanimous consent, Mr. Chairman,
unanimous consent. All in favor? Aye. All opposed. So it'd been two weeks Mr. Chair? Yes,
I know. I know. You're trying to get through to that, sir. But we left out I think some that's critical. Michelle's report.
Oh, yeah. I got I got this. There's just not a mission is it don't have to be commissioned. I actually but that's again, it's under new business. It's under new business.
He said. We opened a new business now. I thought,
Yes, we're still in business, but he was gonna hit you have anything for new business?
Yeah. You know, I received my Spirit is grieved. I received the email yesterday through the email blast and it states that it stated that a board related individual was his trying to sue a board member. Sue a board member. We have family. I mean, we have family what is this? We supposed to be able to come together. Mr.
Chairman, perhaps we might entertain this matter in
another way. You have the floor. He has the floor. Commissioner. We should talk about this offline. Okay. Thank you. Any further new business I'm going okay. Go ahead, sir.
Mr. Chairman, I like to have that with the secretary immediately as soon as possible. hexpo the CEO, the President and CEO of D when mental health okay to make a presentation to the sport in terms or are we in the city of Detroit and Wayne County, going with mental health? I got a motion. Yes. My motions
through the chair just to provide clarity. We've already reached out. We heard your request a couple of weeks ago. So we have reached out we're waiting for feedback. So just want to clarify the record.
So Miss Jeren. I've just said if you need help getting that done, because I want it I don't want I want I like to have it, the next meeting we have here. So if indeed, if we need help with that, they're willing to do that. This year. Okay.
Yes. Under new business I just want to just add this to the record
so the motion just no comer. No, she's she's gonna make that happen. So that means the motion to fail. Now in two weeks she gonna do she Oh, yes. Okay, okay. Go ahead, sir.
Just like the edits to the record, you know, that when something come before this come before this board at his office, and a form or something that the Board may have to weigh in on or vote on or, or something of that nature. It'd be very nice if if this timestamp when it comes in through email or phone or whatever, and sent to the commissioners and in a timely matter. There has been discrepancy where things came before this came before the board's office but have not reached to reach to commissioners, whether is in our emails, or in our packets, or so forth. And so I just want to put that out there today at this session. Okay, as it's been long going, and, and and it's always come back the bores leadership. Okay, what is the board leadership? Because our residents don't know they elected seven commissioners to represent districts and then there then a Merrill the appoints four commissioners for his office. And so the question is, define what is the board's leadership and why certain items are not timestamp and sent to the commissioners. In addition, why to address there's monthly meetings up here that this board has with the mayor's office, but there is never an agenda. We never get an update and this has been going on for quite some time. So the board doesn't even is not even aware of what these discussions are. And so you know, it'd be nice to have an agenda. It'd be nice. That things that come before this board is timestamp and all commissioners have it immediately. Okay.
So for for the record. I want the audience to know and everybody that's sitting here and everybody on Zoom. The commissioners have the state of the art, laptops, that touch screen. And when our staff the board staff send stuff out to the board on Tuesdays. It is time time stamped and date stamped things move fast on this board. I don't know if some of you probably noticed at three o'clock I still was getting information and when I had to go out of the room, right? So things happen. So for the audience and for the zoom, and for everybody in this room and everybody's listening. The commissioners get every single document and timestamp that they need. Now I can't tell you if they open them up on time or how they open them or how they read them. But I get it all and I make sure all the commissioners get everything that they need so they can make conscientious decisions for the board for the city and for the residents. Now, I have I'm moving on, on new business. Wait a minute, I'm new business. I'm given the board's unanimous consent to allow board leadership to meet to discuss next steps regarding the presentation by Miss Victoria Shaw. We have the following recommendations given the board leadership, given our review and assessment of the board's annual training calendar because our training calendar fills up various priorities and coding and not limited to filling vacancies. Conducting Interviews in excess of over 10 candidates and having the W s you that's Wayne State University and be LPC collaborative presentation which is coming that we really need and our recommendations to allow Miss Shaw present during the board's annual training, which will be held in January 2023. So, for that,
I'm allowed to resend the motion previously adapted for Miss Victoria Shah to give a 20 minute presentation in three weeks
circular or second going to
Commissioner Bell Second. Any discussion?
am just tremendously I just can't believe it is I've served on 30 boards including the Eastern Michigan University Board of Regents and I have never seen a board so obsessed with not receiving information. You have a a citizen, a resident, a community leader commissioner wants to speak into the motion but
but wait, I'm trying to tell you that we don't know what you want.
And that didn't favor of resending this,
but it's going to come back up in January. Why don't you come up in
January we have an immediate plastic problem right now with respect to OCI. And with respect to the board. You have a person that has spent months attending these meetings in person and online and who wants to share information with you. You hate you make time for an hour for painting, but you can't make time for a citizen of and a community leader who wants to present to you on issues that that we are dealing with.
What are we here for window dressing?
didn't even hear when I said I did
hear what you say? I'm not funny January No. All
right. So Mr. Chairman, we're talking an hour.
Oh, no. No, I'm gonna take 20 Min. I give it up 20 minutes at a train and stuff the
chair. Just for clarity if there could only be one speaker at a time so that our ASL interpreters can adequately interpret for our audience so that the minutes are taken properly. Thank you so much.
I'm sorry for that. Go ahead.
Because it was gonna be delayed all these months, then at least you can get our that she initially requested to help us. This is the helper. So I think that I mean, because I've had a conversation with Judas week for Secretary Chimp, Commissioner Baal. Certain things that I've that we discussed, and I'm not gonna go into detail, but I think that it needs to be some give and take on all lands because if we can't give and take this, just take this time for me to start given.
Now, Commissioner, we're given intake and because this is we have to fill these vacancies. We all have filled these vacancies. That's priority number one. And then the Wayne State University that has another priority, right? So those parties take time I can tell why they're taking time our training session which is scheduled in January, right that I hope all the commissioners come to that's when we can get Miss Shaw in right and knock out for an hour it's gonna be tough. It's gonna be difficult thing I'm supposed to give give and take. I'll give her we should be able to give her 20 minute
right so again, if it's going to be delayed this just proposition if it's gonna be delayed that many months, we should be able to give her an hour. So wait, see, he still has a floor. And the reason why I say that is because again, personally I know and Commissioner Bell can attest to this from our conversation this week. Certain things I've just kept to myself. And that's the way I plan on doing at the same time but if it's gonna be just take take take and it's time for me to start give. And that's not a threat. I don't do threats. But I do make promises
during the training sessions, you at the last training session, and let's say an institution much like CIT, that that training session, only lasted 25 Maybe 30 minutes, none of the presentations go in excess of 30 minutes and for it to be suggested that
the board present
the proposed presentation for an hour when you start talking about having adults be present lunch our presentation
should point to is know the point your points
yeah, we wouldn't want to do that the most
one speaker at a time,
right? What's your point right now we're dealing with resending of the motion.
Absolutely. Absolutely. That's all we're dealing
with solid working.
And it was and it was brought up to half an hour presentation. The attention of an individual that is attempting to understand retain, there's not there
as well. So and I appreciate you mentioned in the last one through the chair. When I was at the last one, there was a lot of dry time, a lot of empty space in there. So we started talking about retention of information. I believe that if a presenter is presenting and you're trying to condense what they're doing down to 20 minutes, that might not be conducive for the presentation nor to us if we're trying to really understand what's going on because if we're talking about experts in a certain area, they might have to break it down.
Mr. Chairman. Yes, the conversation on the length of the presentation is NAFTA domain to the motion to rescind. Now, what the commissioner can do this after the motion to rescind has been voted up or down. The commissioner can then make a motion that will establish what he believes is a reasonable time for her to present but this conversation is not germane to the motion to rescind the previously adopted motion that this person would present and
so now we're ready to take a boat.
Madam Vice Chair no
The motion is to resend the march sorry.
You made the motion what's the motion?
Was the motion say the motion again?
The motion your motion was your motion previously adapted to allow the 20 minute presentation by Miss Victoria Shaw.
Excuse me, Mr. Chair. I did not count. Oh, no. I apologize. Yes. Okay. So eight yes votes and three novels. The motion passed.
Okay. Now, Mr. Moore. You'll have your motion.
I'm just gonna do. You're gonna do you guys. Right.
Okay, Mr. Chairman. All right.
We did porn time for a gentleman committee
chair. Yes. We're going to try to join the chair. Absolutely. Yes.
You know, I just want to just throw this out there, you know is that when the community often
says under, we're still under new business, I would say we're still under new business. So this new business he's he's speaking. Speaking speaking on lupus.
So when it when the community often says that they want this board to be transparent and have accountability. And they look at the actions that this board you know, and it's it just doesn't this doesn't balance out, you know. And so, there therefore, you know, we should be hearing from more of our community leaders. You know, there's, there's a business we see here for more of our community we, I mean, many leaders to give presentations before this body. You know, and we often hear so much from DPD and hear so much from others, but we don't hear more community presentations from the community. That's something that's really is needed, especially at this height of this climate. This boy was created in 1974 by the Honorable Mayor Coleman, Alexander young, and we just do we just do not
pass the smell test. We don't to to
to the level of achievement
that this board has the floor no other comments please
ciment that this board ought to be operating. So we should be hearing more from the enclosing, we should hear from more from from community members, given presentations. And because this board is supposed to be more community, based, more community driven, but instead today, what I see is I don't see the harmony at this table and that's something that our good commissioner in District Three often talked about harmony. We we don't see that
okay. The commissioner now. I gotta right, go right. Go ahead. Go ahead. Commissioner. Go ahead.
I would like to add thought we'd the motion should be that we also include Mrs. Shaw on in January, as well like down. Now it with saying that, Mr. Chairman, I don't mean are
late and $1 short, we need to be
missioner. He has the floor. He has. He has the community speaks every Thursday 10 minutes every Thursday. Miss Shaw has been here every Thursday ever since I've been here for 10 minutes and she's wonderful. Unlike what she has to say, I went to Nico no code tickle ever toe I've been I'm tired of training. I just put my weight to January. And I think she should be included when that train it and I like to hear what she had to say. I like to give her 30 minutes on the agenda if is possible about your support, but I think is right. The Shihab have a right to be on the agenda in January. So I'm making the motion, make the motion
and make that 40. I'll support it if it's 40.
minutes, 60 4040 minutes, 60 minutes,
we go over 40
to Chairman. The motion is that she'd be included for 30 minutes. The motion is you state the motion than any commissioner who wants to amend that motion needs to be recognized and move to a man by striking out 30 and inserting 40 Okay, striking out 30 putting what they want, but the motion is not before the assembly before you state it. There has to be stated then it can be amended. Okay. Thank you
motion on the floor right? Now. And it's been seconded is to have Ms. Shah present for 30 minutes. It is moved and stack is moved and seconded
in January why training session? Now?
Are you ready for the question? Yes, I'm ready for the question. Yeah. Anybody who wants to men can
anybody who would like to amend
through the chair can I just know who the second was? Having here a second you? I think Secretary
was there a second who said no.
I spoke out of turn that I wait if it were 40 Okay, never second. Okay. Oh.
Let's give her 40 Because she's worked.
Yeah, we got to have a second. Okay. So who would like to second Commissioner Holly's motion? Okay, second. Now. We can amend it now. Commissioner Hernandez states your amendment.
Hurry up man if I change my mind
to that effect on the minutes
for 30 minutes. Is there a second for 40 minutes I second report for 40 minutes any discussion?
Yes. I'd like to amend that motion, Mr. Chairman. Okay.
Yes. All right. Okay, okay.
I like to make a motion that we give her 45 minutes Wow.
Is there a second? Second day, girl Second. Any further discussion on the seas worth? On a motion for the past 45 minutes worth that don't fall on the motion for 45 minutes. You seconded all All in favor? Aye. Aye. All opposed? No, no. Gotcha Roll Call. Roll Call.
Madam Vice Chair. No. commissure Hernandez No. Mr. Hawley? No. No. Commissioner Bernard. Yes. Commissioner banks? Yes. Commissioner Bill? No. I haven't been a burden. Yes. Mr. Carter, Commissioner Moore.
I give up. There were four Yes, Mr. Chair, no. Four yes votes
and six no votes, the motion failed. Okay.
So now 40 minutes. Let's go to roll call roll call for 40 minutes.
I share Cher No. Mr. Hernandez? Yes. What's wrong? Mr. Hawley? Yes. Commissioner Presley? No. Commissioner Brunner. Yes.
Well, my attention span we've used one Commissioner banks. Yes. Mr. Bill? No. Mr. Burton? Yes Mr. Chair no more I'm
not done. I'm still calling the roll. Thank you so much for
your patience. Mr. Burton was recorded as a yes. Commissioner Carter. Commissioner Moore. Yes. All right. Yeah. Yes. All right.
There were seven yes votes and three no votes, the motion passed. Are
you back on
a motion as amended.
And went back to the main motion as amended as
amended. And she will present for 40 minutes. All right.
So now the motion she were present for 40 minutes some of support?
No, no, no, it's already been moved. Okay. This has been moved. It's just been amended. Right? It's been a minute now says 40 minutes.
And now it's 40 minutes that we don't need a vote but
the roll call vote. Sure. Wait, wait.
Roll call for 40 minutes.
Here's me. Let's the motion please.
What you did was to amend the main motion Okay. Adopting the amendment does not adapt the main motion okay. Now what is before you is the main motion as amended. So the main motion as amended is that she will present in January. Miss Shaw will present in January for 40 minutes. That's the motion in front of the body.
Thank you, Dr. Jackson. No. for Holly,
I got up and came back down. Yes.
Mr. Hernandez Yes. Mr. Presley. No. Mr. Barnard. Yes. Commissioner banks. Yes. Mission Burton. Yes. Michelle Carter. Mr. Moore. Yes. Mr. Chair. Yes. There were seven yes votes. And two no votes, the motion passed.
All right. Thank you. Great. So now we're moving on to announcements. We ain't got no announcements. So now we're going to Mr. Brown.
Okay. Go ahead. You know, I like to I'd like to announce that for the for the
Come on. Come on.
I like to announce that that there's going to be
I'd like to announce that for our listening audience to listen to 19 Am superstation this Sunday morning. 8am to 10am. You'll be in for a treat.
Good afternoon, Mr.
I have an announcement. I'm
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Thank you. Mr. Brown. Yes. Good
afternoon. Mr. Chair is our board and citizen of Detroit the next vo PC meeting is Thursday, October 13 2022. At 6:30pm. The seven free sent hosting in the location would be a Detroit Edison public safety public school academy. Located 1903 Wilkins Street. And then the next community meeting will be Thursday November the 10th 2022 at 6:30pm with the eighth precinct six Friesen hosting at Citadel afraid located at 200 to 800 Linden and Mr. Chair for now go to the subcommittee's meeting scheduled for 2022, which meets every second Wednesday. Budget Committee meet Wednesday October the 12th 2022 at 2pm. personnel and training committee meeting Wednesday, October 12. At 2:30pm. This Compliance Committee meeting Wednesday October 12 2022 at 3pm. Policy Committee meeting Wednesday, October 12 at 3:30pm. This disciplinary administrative request committed me Wednesday October 25 14. Am and Mr. Chair all those meetings held at Detroit Public Safety headquarters
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