eautiful. So for our listeners, Paul, who may be wondering why is Why is Enoch wising a Kevin? Why were they having a drug conversation on the podcast, I'm going to give a little bit of context here. For people who may not have heard of this work, maybe the last thing they heard was that your brain has this is your brain on drugs during the 80s. And they they're not in tune, or they haven't been paying attention to the psychedelic revolution, or the big advances that have happening. So I'll share a little bit of my story here, to kind of provide some context for this little bit oversight in my journey of doing personal self work. I've attended pretty much every business seminar out there all sorts of transfer transformational conferences, and along my journey, I was facing blocks in my own performance, and identified that a lot of these blocks came back to my own inability or emotional blocks that I had in my psyche and in my body, my my inability to access deep and raw emotions. And this ended up impacting my relationship with my wife, because she felt like she couldn't feel me. My wife is very intuitive, she's very empathic, she's very emotional, she rides the edge of her emotions. And so me just being kind of a stoic robotic personality, it was causing issues in our marriage, because she felt like she was married to a robot. And it was impacting my business growth and my business success in other areas as well, because let's face it, if you can't really if you have difficulty accessing deep, powerful emotions, it's going to be harder to empathize with other people, it's going to be harder to market your business because part of marketing is understanding the pains of another human being, and being able to show them how your solution matches up with the pains that they're having and solves them. So to make a long story short, I was at a little mastermind of a group of powerful business owners and I was asking them how he could unlock some of my emotions. And one of them after several the other man gave me different suggestions. One of the men says, Well, do you want the short path or the that you want the quick path of the lungs? Yeah. And of course, we're all type three overall type three integrated role, like, you know, these, these, you know, high achieving types or Anyways, these people who are like trying to go go go type A personalities. And so I'm like, well, what's the what's the short path? And he said, a word that I really had ever been exposed to before. He said, plant medicine. Now, I grew up in a very conservative religious context, drugs were way taboo. I've not literally I've only drank a beer wine. I've only drink an alcohol once in my life. Like, I don't. Yeah, dude, I do not drink coffee. I think I've only sampled coffee once. never taken any drugs never taken any nicotine, nothing. And so when he said this, my desire and drive I just something felt inside of me was pulling me that just this landed for me. And I was like, Heck, I'm all in. I'm all in on myself. I'm all in on my own, develop my own growth. So he connected me with a retreat center out in Tennessee that you may know about. Yep, Claire Vita. And so I went to Claire Vita. And they have a protocol that I'm not going to say what it is here, there's some speculation about it, you may know what it is. But at the time, they did not tell me what I was ingesting for obvious reasons, because there's still some gray area with the law around some of these things. I still this day, I do not know exactly what I just did. So it required a lot of trust, from my perspective, right? You know, and people in my circle, thought I was nuts, you're going to retreat center to take some pills, you have no idea what these things are. So anyways, I went in because I trusted my men's group, I trust that my mentor had this experience was a little bit over two years ago, Paul, and in the first 20 minutes than first 15 minutes that experience. I knew more about divinity, consciousness, spirituality, myself, the connection of humanity. Then I learned in 45 years of Sunday school and church and scripture study and researching and seminar. So my mind was literally blown. It was like expanded at extremely high level. And, and the beautiful part about what I've discovered about plant medicine since then, is that it's not just only about the experience, meaning it's not just about, hey, you had a one time experience. And now you need to keep on going back because you want to get high. It actually there's a long tail of transformation that happens based upon a catalyst. And I saw that in my own life, I came back and my wife was just, she saw instant transformation in me. And that really catapult the last two years have been almost Lightspeed transformation in my business and my relationship. And it all comes back to taking the substances that are natural and synthetic, that influence the brain. So there's for listeners, that's my personal experience with these things, and these things were considered psychedelic medicines. So with that, I want to I want to ask you, Paul, there's a lot of stigmas because they're drugs, like you said, like these are classified as drugs. They are still on the schedule one. Correct. They call it schedule one listed for the US mean, they're banned, they got banned back in the 60s. And when things were getting kind of crazy around these kind of medicines, but, you know, what are some of the stigmas that you've experienced that people have about these medicines that that create fear that caused them to be apprehensive about them?