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Michael's Meeting Notes
Michael Lubker
00:00I should have one other teammate from RAF to joining us soil to but if you guys can drop the documents in me and order portfolio voice in the chat, we can get going also working on something which may be of interest and we so we have everything that's going on in the industry. We've been looking at ways to help people that maybe can go to GDC and we are looking at doing a virtual event that will be available therefore, what most virtual events are one moment I will share my screen but out at the end of the event, I'll share a survey because we're just trying to gather info on like what people would like to see out of a Bucha weapon if they can't go the DPC or opera industry events. They'll expand on what we're doing here. Not just do resume reviews, but how things like invest in kittens and things like that, as well. So this is our platform, but we're looking at you saying that it's a little bit more than just zoom. I mean it does a birthing into dolls, but also gives the ability to kind of pair out areas for different sizes of meetings. You can actually walk up to somebody and talked about complaints like spam. So we were in Google instead of building out the Conference Center in space, but we've been using it as a virtual office for about a month now. So sneak peek, but I will show a survey when we're done with
Michael Lubker
02:55and it looks like my other teammate is okay, so chill you wanting to review your LinkedIn profile? Yes,
Chiril Russu
03:08I can drop my resume as well. But I've already gotten two rounds of feedback. Okay.
Malize Evans
03:13Okay. Give me your late oh, I am no one without the coffee well Oh without five coffees
Aaron Bothne
03:31I must be tricking some strong coffee because I can't even drink three cups anymore else. I'm like, my heart rate like doubles.
Malize Evans
03:38Well, I never want to drink coffee. I start the day with my pre workout drink with caffeine.
Michael Lubker
03:45Do you feel about I actually I I don't think it's like Oh, yeah. But there's something I've been doing about but once I own more about it, I'll share it because those who are lawyers some reshoots. I like caffeine wipe out the craft. So seems interesting. And I'm getting ready for the screen show. So I'll share my screen.
Michael Lubker
05:02Also at work so I explained to them like be down
Aaron Bothne
05:09LinkedIn is down.
Michael Lubker
05:12It was down post show yesterday too. It's working for me. And it's starting to come up.
Malize Evans
05:22It was the result some good things for me today. I opened the profile of people and I couldn't add them to my network.
Michael Lubker
05:28Yeah, yesterday and today. There seem to have been quite a bit of Albertson's like Yeah, yesterday I was working on down the tech too because of several things that were not working and what's like what's like
Michael Lubker
05:56LinkedIn, Facebook, Twitter, we better wake up the Verizon ATMP Gmail 365 station. We're all down on and off throughout the day. We all use
Aaron Bothne
06:11the same hosting or something.
Malize Evans
06:15Although some people who are angry at everybody.
Michael Lubker
06:19Well, although companies do use AWS so when those AWS pop on Yeah, it is not. Okay, finally goes. I ran for re all the boys three times so you guys
Michael Lubker
06:49just we all did again
Aaron Bothne
06:59so we're doing Charles LinkedIn if that were what you're bringing up? Yeah.
Michael Lubker
07:03Okay. Finally goes. So just
Michael Lubker
07:19sorry for that.
Aaron Bothne
07:24Oh, 
yeah. Looking at your LinkedIn profile. One phone. I mean, everything looks good. I would include the project. So you do have the projects. Okay. Yeah, that's good. I'll lay them okay. The thing about LinkedIn as it's it's really good about guiding you on filling out all the fields. But your main your The main purpose of LinkedIn is those connections you want to make as many connections as possible. So whenever you post something when it because every connection follows you. So every time you post something, they see what you're posting, and then they can repost it to other people. So when it comes to LinkedIn, that's what you really want to have to after you have a built out profile and you don't look like a fake person, which you're good you got that going here for you. Then you really want to focus on going through and making connections the way I did it to and what you want to do, what you're aiming for is to reach that 500 connections because at that point, it just says 500 plus. So I've heard a number of times where people won't even look at a profile unless if it has less than 500 connections. So that's something that you want to focus on because at that point, it looks a little less like a fake or a bot thing. But
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yeah. Looking at your LinkedIn profile. One phone. I mean, everything looks good. I would include the project. So you do have the projects. Okay. Yeah, that's good. I'll lay them okay. The thing about LinkedIn as it's it's really good about guiding you on filling out all the fields. But your main your The main purpose of LinkedIn is those connections you want to make as many connections as possible. So whenever you post something when it because every connection follows you. So every time you post something, they see what you're posting, and then they can repost it to other people. So when it comes to LinkedIn, that's what you really want to have to after you have a built out profile and you don't look like a fake person, which you're good you got that going here for you. Then you really want to focus on going through and making connections the way I did it to and what you want to do, what you're aiming for is to reach that 500 connections because at that point, it just says 500 plus. So I've heard a number of times where people won't even look at a profile unless if it has less than 500 connections. So that's something that you want to focus on because at that point, it looks a little less like a fake or a bot thing. But 
Malize Evans
08:42everything you're doing on LinkedIn places with the profile of this man,
Michael Lubker
08:45no, I'm pulling up a post. That's that's why the conversation if LinkedIn will work properly.
Aaron Bothne
08:56But yeah, so what I did in order to build connections where
Michael Lubker
09:00they'll my browser was wanting to clarify. So give me
Aaron Bothne
09:03your computer man. Yeah,
Malize Evans
09:05I know I have about a computer. You sent me the link and I'll do the screen sharing.
Michael Lubker
09:11Yeah, well, I wanted to scream so something specific. So typically
Aaron Bothne
09:18keep going over his thing here. But yeah, so what I did in order to build connections was I looked for people specifically in game industry, and even more specifically, because I'm a producer, and I'm pursuing that role for producers in the game industry. And I just said, Hey, I'm an aspiring producer in that industry looking to make connections and you know, if that works, infinitely better than just like randomly trying to connect with anybody with anybody, because a you're using the tool when it's for you're making connections, business connections that you're probably going to use in the future and be you're you're actually talking to people and you have to have a reason to connect because you're in the same industry. So for you to chill I would focus on going through and just usually connections of connections, like what I would do is I like fine, like if you want to click on me and see see who I was connected with and just go through those people because like I said, most of most of my connections are going to be in the video game industry. And then you start reaching out to them and then finding connections of their connections and start reaching out to them. Yeah,
Michael Lubker
10:22another 
thing I would do is I can give your list of people but what I often do, there's certain people I follow that are super connectors, and most people that connect with them or or are like in their comments or likes or people that want to connect. So I wouldn't do I couldn't give a list of people that I would recommend
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thing I would do is I can give your list of people but what I often do, there's certain people I follow that are super connectors, and most people that connect with them or or are like in their comments or likes or people that want to connect. So I wouldn't do I couldn't give a list of people that I would recommend Malize Evans
10:57would 
add another layer on this. Because I am the kind of person that doesn't approve everybody that sends a request my way. Basically, because given my position, I am exposed to a lot of salespeople. And so I'm very careful who can send messages to me and who can so give people a reason to follow you, like, comment on their post two or three times before you send the request. So you're familiar to them. engage in a conversation because I mean just just randomly following and adding people to your network is not going to add any value to you just the number and what our what our said before Well, yeah, it's important that number because people make it important. But if you want to establish connections with the idea of of, of getting a position lately is much more important to engage with them meaningfully, to answer the comments to answer their posts to engage in conversations with them, to send them a request to say them hello, introduce yourself without selling yourself and give them a reason to interact with you because gaming is very competitive. And people in gaming receive requests to connect from people who are outside of gaming and want to get in from students and from other developers who want to do so. So you have to stand out somehow. Yes.
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add another layer on this. Because I am the kind of person that doesn't approve everybody that sends a request my way. Basically, because given my position, I am exposed to a lot of salespeople. And so I'm very careful who can send messages to me and who can so give people a reason to follow you, like, comment on their post two or three times before you send the request. So you're familiar to them. engage in a conversation because I mean just just randomly following and adding people to your network is not going to add any value to you just the number and what our what our said before Well, yeah, it's important that number because people make it important. But if you want to establish connections with the idea of of, of getting a position lately is much more important to engage with them meaningfully, to answer the comments to answer their posts to engage in conversations with them, to send them a request to say them hello, introduce yourself without selling yourself and give them a reason to interact with you because gaming is very competitive. And people in gaming receive requests to connect from people who are outside of gaming and want to get in from students and from other developers who want to do so. So you have to stand out somehow. Yes. Michael Lubker
12:16mero this is what I was trying to pull out. Basically, how to go on LinkedIn, this is what I do.
Malize Evans
12:30I mean, on a certain way or a certain way. I am one of those who believes that that having to do so much work on LinkedIn, just to get a position. That is not the community manager shouldn't be the thing. But if you don't stand out, it's very difficult to get meaningful connections. It's a pity but it's a reality. Then are where are you from? Where are you based?
Chiril Russu
12:51Right now I'm in Chicago. So
Malize Evans
12:55find out where you can find physical events in Chicago, where you can find out how to connect with people in person because as much as as digital has solved a lot of problems for for a lot of people. There's nothing beats in person. So you can join hackathons, events, branches of gaming people, or things like that, then it's going to make it much easier for you to be remembered. Yeah.
Michael Lubker
13:23Idva 
meetup.com And to some extent, even bye, bye can be useful resources in terms of finding events. I will say even try is not always great. In terms of gaming. Because they've been like, just their format, sometimes up into like, you're looking at anything, but it's not clear that it's paid. So you do have to watch out for that, like with both meetup and Eventbrite. IGDA meetings are usually free. But, you know, they're not in our budget. So those three I would say igda.org and meet up and even buy some explore the app or the website.
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meetup.com And to some extent, even bye, bye can be useful resources in terms of finding events. I will say even try is not always great. In terms of gaming. Because they've been like, just their format, sometimes up into like, you're looking at anything, but it's not clear that it's paid. So you do have to watch out for that, like with both meetup and Eventbrite. IGDA meetings are usually free. But, you know, they're not in our budget. So those three I would say igda.org and meet up and even buy some explore the app or the website. 
Michael Lubker
14:38I'm 
also just looking at you, again. Looks like you just have basic LinkedIn, not premium.
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also just looking at you, again. Looks like you just have basic LinkedIn, not premium. Michael Lubker
14:58Not Not a problem. But if you have the money for premium, what I have found is I don't know 100% But it seems like they may favor 3.0 I
Malize Evans
15:20am positive they do. Yeah. But I have no doubt either,
Michael Lubker
15:25right? Yeah. It's not like you know, you just the way you prove. It seems like
Michael Lubker
15:37you 
if you create content on LinkedIn, whether that be posts or the lose, why do we vote in our ID or using the Creator tools like the created walls, also useful too long? Because then people will also see how many followers you have versus just how many connections and you get access to be able to do things like LinkedIn live or LinkedIn audio. So and created over the industry, you don't have to have premium for that. Premium does give you a few things like being able to have extra button to like get people to book meetings
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if you create content on LinkedIn, whether that be posts or the lose, why do we vote in our ID or using the Creator tools like the created walls, also useful too long? Because then people will also see how many followers you have versus just how many connections and you get access to be able to do things like LinkedIn live or LinkedIn audio. So and created over the industry, you don't have to have premium for that. Premium does give you a few things like being able to have extra button to like get people to book meetings 
Michael Lubker
16:41just to see if there is anything else overall I think the profile looks good. I mean, you're active, you're talking. You have it, but you jump out do you have any specific questions
Chiril Russu
17:03not beyond any advice on you know me being very much introverted and how do you go about know making having a presence online? Like
Michael Lubker
17:15Well, I'm also like, like, I said, like, this is what I do that is relatively, you know, Google, absolute low energy. You know, if I even if I'm not feeling super great that day in terms of talking to people like, I might not keep up with my VMs every day, but I try to have like, you know, I tried to get back to people within 48 hours. But the rest is, you know, reasonably easy to do. Any questions on any of these items
Chiril Russu
18:11now they're straightforward
Malize Evans
18:17when it comes to when it comes again, to your question of how to do it as an introvert, so funny that you asked about it, because I'm autistic and I learned how to network as a as a technical skill. I had a mentor who used to be the recruitment lead, I believe, will the talent lead that the testing the times of the Skyrim and now she is she's a mentor, and she's the one who taught me how to do that. And it can be done it can be done. It can be learned how to do this as a as a technical skill is incredibly energy. Consuming. When when you're not built for that, but it's doable.
Michael Lubker
18:59Another 
another resource that I would point out something Aaron does every Saturday or Sunday. She has a connecting post see if I can find the last one.
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another resource that I would point out something Aaron does every Saturday or Sunday. She has a connecting post see if I can find the last one. Michael Lubker
19:39So 
she does a show show toast on the weekends. Gets a toddler of comments, but it's basically our simple introduction like but follow, like all of the boys who the recruiters do things like this and is quite useful for networking.
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she does a show show toast on the weekends. Gets a toddler of comments, but it's basically our simple introduction like but follow, like all of the boys who the recruiters do things like this and is quite useful for networking. Michael Lubker
20:16I'll put I'll put a link to that post to our queue
Michael Lubker
20:31Okay, so do you have more questions or should we
Chiril Russu
20:38move on to thank you for your nice beer.
Michael Lubker
20:41I think I've got info from Eric, or August or so. well, about
Aaron Bothne
20:54Yeah, that is quite the resume you really have done well about packing a lot in here at least. It's great
Alisa Artemova
21:06progress
Aaron Bothne
21:09I mean, that's gonna be the important thing with the ATS system is getting as much relevant data in there, that the that can be scraped. And used to match to to get you those interviews. So that's the first thing I'm saying it saying so that's great.
Alisa Artemova
21:29With that said, though, it's, you know, I feel like I still don't get any interviews with my resume.
Aaron Bothne
21:39It's not your resume. It's it's
Alisa Artemova
21:41the times I understand right now. It's also very can roughly it sucks.
Michael Lubker
21:54Just just sharing quickly. I proposed starting around for like, rafting was kind of like an emergency startup for Portsmouth based on I mean, I was working full time work for silts September 2022. Before that, so and I have 20 years experience in the industry. So
Malize Evans
22:21and then on my side, are you sorry, sorry, go ahead. Yes. On my site I interviewed with all the majors except for the for Bethesda and I still didn't get a job. And I go up and I go to the last interview with a lot of them, put a lot of positions.
Alisa Artemova
22:38I really feel that
Malize Evans
22:41so 
it's not and the thing is that networking is going to be around the solution. Man at the same that what we say that we said before, that you need to connect with people. Now the problem now No, it's always been competitive. Recruiters in gaming have had always had a difficult time to attend all the CDs that come their way and now they have an insane number of talent. And they have also an insane number of people who wants to get into the gaming industry. Now the reality of it as a person who's been at the receiving end or for having to hire a person. Is that on top of that. Usually that only the 20% of publications are useful, so to speak, because there are plenty of people who have not enough self awareness to realize that they're not a fit for the position. And with the 20% I mean, people that more or less could be a fit. And there's also there's always an 80% of people that come up for a different position or they don't have the required qualifications. And for recruiters is very difficult, particularly in gaming because they get like 
5000 CVS for any position. So the only the only way to stand out is to to network to network to meet people to connect with people on LinkedIn. And it's still difficult I'm not gonna lie even if you if your network a lot, it's still very, very difficult. But at least it gives the groups your chat your chances that if for instance, you are working with recruiters, that's that's the first the first of the first just to get the interview just to get southern coolit the so they know if they see your CV, then within all the CVS they receive, what kind of profile you are and if you don't match up to be approved automatically to be shown to the hiring manager. So first, first always network with recruiters, but also with other people in the industry because you never know what opportunities come from. In fact, funny funny fact Michael and I met because I was in the middle of a recruitment process with a big one. And I wanted to improve my skills at publishing so I wanted to learn about the algorithm of steam. And Michael was giving me classes on that. So do you ever know how to how opportunities are going to come your way and usually is by meeting people?
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it's not and the thing is that networking is going to be around the solution. Man at the same that what we say that we said before, that you need to connect with people. Now the problem now No, it's always been competitive. Recruiters in gaming have had always had a difficult time to attend all the CDs that come their way and now they have an insane number of talent. And they have also an insane number of people who wants to get into the gaming industry. Now the reality of it as a person who's been at the receiving end or for having to hire a person. Is that on top of that. Usually that only the 20% of publications are useful, so to speak, because there are plenty of people who have not enough self awareness to realize that they're not a fit for the position. And with the 20% I mean, people that more or less could be a fit. And there's also there's always an 80% of people that come up for a different position or they don't have the required qualifications. And for recruiters is very difficult, particularly in gaming because they get like +3
5000 CVS for any position. So the only the only way to stand out is to to network to network to meet people to connect with people on LinkedIn. And it's still difficult I'm not gonna lie even if you if your network a lot, it's still very, very difficult. But at least it gives the groups your chat your chances that if for instance, you are working with recruiters, that's that's the first the first of the first just to get the interview just to get southern coolit the so they know if they see your CV, then within all the CVS they receive, what kind of profile you are and if you don't match up to be approved automatically to be shown to the hiring manager. So first, first always network with recruiters, but also with other people in the industry because you never know what opportunities come from. In fact, funny funny fact Michael and I met because I was in the middle of a recruitment process with a big one. And I wanted to improve my skills at publishing so I wanted to learn about the algorithm of steam. And Michael was giving me classes on that. So do you ever know how to how opportunities are going to come your way and usually is by meeting people? 
Michael Lubker
25:06Yeah, 
um, I also like how a group of other people who are for sale or people that might be interested in networking. So if that if that would be of interest. I will keep everyone's profile up and connect afterwards saying yes, yes. So many for filthy
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um, I also like how a group of other people who are for sale or people that might be interested in networking. So if that if that would be of interest. I will keep everyone's profile up and connect afterwards saying yes, yes. So many for filthy Alisa Artemova
25:44pump. So a lot of people into the gaming industry very quickly.
Michael Lubker
25:50Yes. A lot of other industries to some of my connections are also in the music industry. So yeah. But I mean, it's a good
Malize Evans
26:05feature. So for interrupting you, Michael, you have a link in in featured Elisa that doesn't have an image. I don't know if it is because because LinkedIn is not working,
Michael Lubker
26:13then we would think of Yes.
Alisa Artemova
26:16I 
need to just link something else to it because LinkedIn just doesn't work. With Instagram. So I'm not going to worry about them. Because what I wanted to do is just define different ways people connect and see who I am as a person, because my LinkedIn isn't or my Instagram is a representation of who I am and who I started off as and going into like an in my portfolio and my resume is showing the things that I am now the journey of who I became and kind of what I want to work in.
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need to just link something else to it because LinkedIn just doesn't work. With Instagram. So I'm not going to worry about them. Because what I wanted to do is just define different ways people connect and see who I am as a person, because my LinkedIn isn't or my Instagram is a representation of who I am and who I started off as and going into like an in my portfolio and my resume is showing the things that I am now the journey of who I became and kind of what I want to work in. Michael Lubker
26:52So you have some background but you moved into UI UX.
Alisa Artemova
26:59Well, 
my background is in art. I've really wanted to be a concept artist. I wanted to be character artist, very difficult battle, almost impossible to find jobs. So when I was going through school, I I I didn't have the financial ability to even educate myself and like have tools and things like that to even go further with that. So I had to kind of break that, that love and passion and find a new one. And that's what UX UI is for me because I really I'm really passionate about a user experience and make sure making sure things are accessible for everybody. Because people are so different and everybody has such different experiences and sometimes not everybody can experience something that they love, or that they want to and it's so hard to see that and it's it's almost heartbreaking. Like because like I started my my passion with games because I am not American, and you can't tell that I I don't english is not my first language. But I learned English through games. And that was such a like an amazing experience for me that I wanted to be in games and find ways for 
other people to kind of learn and educate themselves the same way. So kinda that's why user experience really spoke with me. I've worked on a lot of different projects, but I don't have my name on any of them because I work to third party. And that's kind of the sad part of that is that I do have three plus years of experience. But most of the time when I apply, I just get told that I don't have experience and I'm not fit for that role yet, even though it's an entry level. And you know, I kind of I go through different lengths of talking to recruiters and people that I know in industry because like you know, Full Sail has a lot of links, everyone everywhere. So I've had interviews with Riot I've had interviews with Activision. I've had interviews with like gearbox, I have would get to the last part and then somebody with a PhD just beats me.
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my background is in art. I've really wanted to be a concept artist. I wanted to be character artist, very difficult battle, almost impossible to find jobs. So when I was going through school, I I I didn't have the financial ability to even educate myself and like have tools and things like that to even go further with that. So I had to kind of break that, that love and passion and find a new one. And that's what UX UI is for me because I really I'm really passionate about a user experience and make sure making sure things are accessible for everybody. Because people are so different and everybody has such different experiences and sometimes not everybody can experience something that they love, or that they want to and it's so hard to see that and it's it's almost heartbreaking. Like because like I started my my passion with games because I am not American, and you can't tell that I I don't english is not my first language. But I learned English through games. And that was such a like an amazing experience for me that I wanted to be in games and find ways for 
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other people to kind of learn and educate themselves the same way. So kinda that's why user experience really spoke with me. I've worked on a lot of different projects, but I don't have my name on any of them because I work to third party. And that's kind of the sad part of that is that I do have three plus years of experience. But most of the time when I apply, I just get told that I don't have experience and I'm not fit for that role yet, even though it's an entry level. And you know, I kind of I go through different lengths of talking to recruiters and people that I know in industry because like you know, Full Sail has a lot of links, everyone everywhere. So I've had interviews with Riot I've had interviews with Activision. I've had interviews with like gearbox, I have would get to the last part and then somebody with a PhD just beats me. Malize Evans
29:14So one of the interventions you have you had interviews, for instance, with Activision as an artist or as
Alisa Artemova
29:21a user researcher. So all of those words, users which are as an artist I was never able to get in even one interview so I'm I stopped trying to pursue that and went into what I have experienced and now
Malize Evans
29:40Well, the thing is that the thing is that the user experience research is something so specific, that it's very easy to create content around it about not around the tasks per se the the craft per se so to speak, but about how useful it is. And I believe that this can attract an audience, particularly from in this in this. And when I say in this I don't mean only solo studios, also the studio that made Robocop is also an indie, so you may not get access to AAA because it's super hot, but not many. Not many in the in the studios are good on data in the sense of they don't have structures to analyze data. And this is a this pain point that you could enter into. And that's all because because they don't understand why it's useful. Yeah.
Alisa Artemova
30:35So how would you approach that because I I'm interested in in either I'm interested in that like being somebody who can pioneer that into a team and help them drive that. But I don't know how to get with those because my my of previous attempts, I've either kind of tried to connect with the recruiters from those teams or tried to send applications through their internal or their websites where they just don't even have a job posting but they're like, Hey, if you're interested in Connect with us, it's all just been kind of not fruitful because they don't respond. I'm
Michael Lubker
31:08open for chat. I see potential for things.
Malize Evans
31:21Now, that's what I would do if I was if I was doing mostly user research is also something that falls into the marketing category, and nothing to the development of category. So make a list of people in marketing in different index that you'd like to work with. Keep in mind that a lot of them use external marketing agencies, and as such, they have absolutely no data because external marketing agencies usually are focused on the creative aspect of marketing and not in the actual data. Or they're focused on the sorry, sorry,
Michael Lubker
31:49yeah, as I mentioned, also, I'm gonna drop a survey at the end of this because we're working on something but since you are a UX researcher, maybe you might actually have some interesting feedback on the survey itself.
Alisa Artemova
32:04Yeah, I would love to give some feedback.
Malize Evans
32:09So what I was saying, then make a list of people that is interesting, within within the marketing departments of industries that you find attractive, then interact with posts and then create your own posts about how I don't know, things that happened, say, critical bad things that happened to studios Good luck. How could they be solved if they understood their users better? Things like that problem is that that this kind of data can solve, analyzing it and looking at it, and things like that you can make a lot of posts about please don't use chatty witty by the way, please don't use it. And not only not only because it makes you content bland, but also it has it has the habit of using always the same words for set for certain things. So it's very easy to spot when the content has been returned by TPT. So
Michael Lubker
33:02ways to get around that but I can go into that in a deeply
Malize Evans
33:10So yeah, if any you can use it to get ideas like I haven't that they don't know what to post in chat and I wanted to ask like around them give me ideas for this and then you'll develop them yourselves using your own knowledge. And then with this also comments on the on the on the pulse of the people and then when you already established a little bit of relationship with the comments then before them.
Michael Lubker
33:35I would also say like your experience for England would also be useful to Indians because on Steam I mean look, look at what are the most popular on Steam. And the is some research showing that steam is actually shifting their algorithms to reflect which games are held the good old polarizations like other people have been focusing on Steam wasteless for a long time. But while it's like not 100% Like loads from Valve themselves, they don't always really communicate well or DelDOT. There's those shifts that people have noticed that actually having a localization even one localization in an indie game will help it do better in the algorithm understanding. So that's another way that you could potentially help them indie developers because indie developers don't always have a big goal for insights about it.
Alisa Artemova
35:04I think the like the difficult part for me is trying to reach out to them and even kind of because I want to help in any way I can. I love Andy's well I just can't find them.
Michael Lubker
35:17In views, I'll drop a few links that may be useful
Michael Lubker
35:29also, like do you want what types of games do you like? Do you like narrative games? Do you like multiplayer?
Alisa Artemova
35:43I like all games I kind of roll all across i Okay, every it just it's about the experience of them that I think is interesting to me. Rather than the genre. Yeah.
Michael Lubker
35:53Me.
Michael Lubker
36:04So I dropped these resources out, but the last one is kind of specific to narrative games. But so they moves home is a freelance market place. Ticks was born where Minecraft actually got started but is where a lot of Indies started. fiets.io mean both, both of their community and their gems. Because it's a Oh, it's kind of like the Proving Grounds before somebody wants to claim on Steam. And then the last one is one of the boats as visual novel forms. So
Malize Evans
36:58thank you. I'm putting I'm putting also some links of the developer of activities for developers that I'm find on me right. Now what I'm going to put you to help me complete this piece here and you can you can check yourself. The problem is that the bad thing is called gaming sometimes so it's a problem. Also, don't don't discard mobile, even if it's to get experience. And mobile is assists as is even more competitive than than PC, which is very, very competitive, which is as is even more competitive. They put a much more focus on understanding the customers and usually acquisition and all that and it may be easier for you
Michael Lubker
37:47let's say they care about you actually. So it's in more than
Alisa Artemova
37:52one of my jobs was a in actually mobile games. So ABA games. My previous job before Venus is that was all mobile games. The only issue was that it was with a team over in China, and they were not willing to kind of work with me anywhere aside from being the call girl. Right? It felt like I was almost tricked into a job where I I became just like the person that knew how to speak English and could talk to the people there. Instead of being a user experience researcher or a moderator it definitely was and discouraging me from that particular market, especially just mostly I guess with Chinese developers, but there's so many of them. I enjoyed working on mobile games, but it was good data. How do I get my data?
Malize Evans
38:52Yes, they get yours. Do you use your own scripts? Do you use platforms that already exist and require paying a license? Do you ask the people you work with to provide the data to you?
Alisa Artemova
39:02It 
depends. So I've done both gathering my own data. And then we have done analysis on data that was previously gathered for us. So we have worked with like telemetry data. But I've also before I'm doing surveys and things like that, I will just use whatever is available at Qualtrics are all from our other like a million different tools that are out there. With my most recent job. We had our internal tool that allowed us to gather data from our website, and all I had to do was just look at trends there and analyze them. It's easier when there are tools that you have. So if you are developing your own website you have you can just do use a plugin that allows you to pull that data through. But if you're using other companies there is always going to be the disconnect, and it's going to be harder to get that data from them.
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depends. So I've done both gathering my own data. And then we have done analysis on data that was previously gathered for us. So we have worked with like telemetry data. But I've also before I'm doing surveys and things like that, I will just use whatever is available at Qualtrics are all from our other like a million different tools that are out there. With my most recent job. We had our internal tool that allowed us to gather data from our website, and all I had to do was just look at trends there and analyze them. It's easier when there are tools that you have. So if you are developing your own website you have you can just do use a plugin that allows you to pull that data through. But if you're using other companies there is always going to be the disconnect, and it's going to be harder to get that data from them. Malize Evans
39:59Well, I wish that what I was saying that because if you have your own means of getting data that is not directly connected with the company, maybe you cannot offer services for data analytics, that by for instance on is analyzing sentiment on social media, we'll go we're using your own scripts to gather the data, which is very difficult lately. But maybe if you find it difficult to find a position that isn't in a company, you can maybe sell services that what you just do a package of the service according to the hours that takes to you. And then and then offer it to studios also this way it's it's going to increase your portfolio in the sense that it's going to give you experience with very different types of themes.
Alisa Artemova
40:43When it comes to user research, it's a little bit it's it's kind of a big step difference from data analytics. Because we're not just looking at numbers. What we're doing is kind of imagine this call if it was a focus group, and I would just be taking the data from you guys and that our conversation and trying to understand your behaviors and what you're kind of difficulties are with a product and then I analyze them and I and I use psychology and human factors to help kind of bridge that gap of why something is not working and telling the development team about it. A lot of that is like, like human computer interaction, for example, or trying to do research for a product that isn't easily doesn't have accessibility. So for people who might be colorblind or have difficulty reading a lot of text, or have hearing issues, things like that can be very, very impactful and user experience. So you want to have those people come in and test or do a virtually. And then what you do is you gather that information from them and help the developers understand that because they're not the ones who are using that end product. And they can't imagine themselves in that position.
Malize Evans
42:08Another nice service that you can offer is you're constantly thinking about game developers that there was also a very big b2b industry behind games, companies that offer services. Now there are companies offer services that go to specific pain points within games. Now, if you could create the script to find to find patterns of these pain points within, let's say, comments on Steam, then you could create lists of games that need the solution that certain provider is is offering and this way help them in the use of opposition.
Alisa Artemova
42:46That's a good idea. I didn't think about going through the like seamless. I've read the only thing I've done so far. It's just doing like heuristic evaluations. And what I'm hoping to do is include something like a blog in my portfolio later on with that.
Michael Lubker
43:03So 
I'm not doing these for us. There was a newsletter you can sign up for Part Two. Basically, this newsletter is like a weekly list of new games that are coming out on Steam. So you could find teams that maybe are like not getting good reviews, and see if you can find their contact info that's usually from steam. They'll at least have that that's
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I'm not doing these for us. There was a newsletter you can sign up for Part Two. Basically, this newsletter is like a weekly list of new games that are coming out on Steam. So you could find teams that maybe are like not getting good reviews, and see if you can find their contact info that's usually from steam. They'll at least have that that's Alisa Artemova
43:42okay, that's a really good idea. Thank you.
Malize Evans
43:45And I'm also I'm also sending you a link of one of the biggest analysts of games. Sorry, that's going to do and they have a lot of lists that they give away for free though, a lot of reports you can use them as a as a base to create content for LinkedIn.
Michael Lubker
44:00Thank you. I also have a conversation going on but is like interesting because it's like people from different areas of data analysis like one person they have like, interested in gaming but is coming from a data science background. Another person is coming from like app store optimization and is interested in just trying to find something to do that still uses those skills out. But if you want I could introduce you to those books cuz like, I find that like, there's always interesting organic things that come out of conversations with others not only working for words.
Alisa Artemova
44:55Thank you. Okay, yeah, I
Malize Evans
44:56also have more ideas for you, but why don't you send me a message on this call instead? we're taking a little more people here so are you on our Discord? I don't
Alisa Artemova
45:10believe I am. I actually found you guys randomly on LinkedIn. And I was like, oh, that's that's like in 10 minutes. So we're gonna join
Michael Lubker
45:20I will put a link to the hold up a link to the
Aaron Bothne
45:30it's good that we're getting more organic.
Michael Lubker
45:31Yeah. I will drop a link to forward
Malize Evans
45:38Yeah, just mentioned me and on whatever channel you join, and I will send you a message because I have my Discord and this closed so I have to start the conversations myself. Unless someone I already know. Okay.
Michael Lubker
45:56Oh,
Michael Lubker
45:59it was the dashboard and I will also stop screen sharing for a second
Malize Evans
46:32while you finish with this
Michael Lubker
46:35Yeah, I think we don't have a document from Erica. Yeah, that's
Malize Evans
46:41what I was gonna say. Hello. Erica. Thanks for joining. And she's also while she's muted.
Michael Lubker
46:53Maybe it starts Oh, hello.
Malize Evans
46:56Hello. Can you comment in the chat please do your cover and slash microphone not working? Because if it's not working then there's no use to ask you to unmute yourself
Malize Evans
47:13so please, Erica, put your LinkedIn CB and or portfolio
Michael Lubker
47:23on the to the Insert said sorry for being the level. Yeah. Alright, so this okay. I will pour I will pull it up. Give me one
Malize Evans
47:43so yes, at least you have the link to join rafters this code. And yeah, just just mentioned me so I can write you a message and I will give you some ideas of things that you can. You can advance if you don't have a job to get some money while you look for a job, how to add what places you can go to network and things like that.
Michael Lubker
48:08And to also is the link to the survey I'm putting together I'm still kind of figuring out how best we demo the tech for the event that we're looking at doing. So still kind of figuring out the right way to do the testing and gather more info but I think your feedback would be valuable. And anyone, anyone to if you want to take a loss of a survey please do and if you have any questions let me know. All right. zoom in again.
Malize Evans
49:00Let's go. Let's go for a recap.
Aaron Bothne
49:05Yes, so Erica, were you looking to have your LinkedIn profile reviewed or do you have a resume?
Michael Lubker
49:30Yes, we can go with this old TLC response
Michael Lubker
49:41so it was straight to the end concept artist.
Aaron Bothne
49:57So yeah, first thing that I see like the incorrect feedback I gave earlier. That actually is correct here. I'm not seeing the prot any projects you worked on here. So you definitely want to start adding projects. I mean, you have like your work experience. And it's good to tell people where you were working at but also show in the project section you could show off what you were working on and those places and I'm pretty sure you can even like when you put a work experience you can link it to the projects if I remember correctly, so that you like okay this project is from this this job. Let you know and that shows have
Michael Lubker
50:36a lot listed out also
Aaron Bothne
50:47Okay, 
yeah, that's that's good to have wigs but people are very visual, they're gonna want to see things and those there's one thing that the the LinkedIn is very good about as it separates out things. So you can it really makes them stand out a little bit more. And so that whole project section, you know, people want to go and see okay, that's the work experience. But these are the things that Eric has produced out of these experiences. That's for especially for a hiring manager. That's something very
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yeah, that's that's good to have wigs but people are very visual, they're gonna want to see things and those there's one thing that the the LinkedIn is very good about as it separates out things. So you can it really makes them stand out a little bit more. And so that whole project section, you know, people want to go and see okay, that's the work experience. But these are the things that Eric has produced out of these experiences. That's for especially for a hiring manager. That's something very Michael Lubker
51:17I do see she has some Featured Image items in the featured searching too. Yeah,
Malize Evans
51:23but I found the same the same as Erin because I have to go super down to find Yeah,
Michael Lubker
51:28I 
mean, the the unfortunate thing about the about pains also is like those links are clickable, so it's good to either add them in featured or like add them to the to the project section or on video point or persons to one of your experiences. Like know various ways to make sure that the lights are actually clicked on. It might also be a good idea since you have so many links to maybe just do a link to it and maybe add a link to your the option to add a link to your profile and I'll see you said more experience and table top and wanting to shift to digital games. So what what do we think about what what would you need to add or change for that? We go
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mean, the the unfortunate thing about the about pains also is like those links are clickable, so it's good to either add them in featured or like add them to the to the project section or on video point or persons to one of your experiences. Like know various ways to make sure that the lights are actually clicked on. It might also be a good idea since you have so many links to maybe just do a link to it and maybe add a link to your the option to add a link to your profile and I'll see you said more experience and table top and wanting to shift to digital games. So what what do we think about what what would you need to add or change for that? We go 
Aaron Bothne
52:39tabletop 
is art is actually very close to concept art, you know? Yeah. Typically when people get a commission to have their character or something like that, you're drawing a lot of the same things that you'd be doing in character concept art anyway, obviously there are other areas of concept art like like, levels and stuff like that, but so they actually translate over very well. So if you end up in work experience and projects or work experience in projects, even if you don't get paid or volunteered, you know they just a game jam or hackathon anything it's all experience and it's all stuff that you want to show off. That's really nice
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is art is actually very close to concept art, you know? Yeah. Typically when people get a commission to have their character or something like that, you're drawing a lot of the same things that you'd be doing in character concept art anyway, obviously there are other areas of concept art like like, levels and stuff like that, but so they actually translate over very well. So if you end up in work experience and projects or work experience in projects, even if you don't get paid or volunteered, you know they just a game jam or hackathon anything it's all experience and it's all stuff that you want to show off. That's really nice Aaron Bothne
53:28yeah. How did you get there from her? Yeah,
Michael Lubker
53:33it was in it was like in her Featured
Aaron Bothne
53:39area. 
Okay, so this is where you want to have the most you want to have a very prominent link to your profile so you can get Yeah, I mean, sure your portfolio. Your portfolio is great. You have lots of images right there up top a lot of variation on images. And this is all stuff that you can consider concept art, the one that he's that one in the middle row.
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Okay, so this is where you want to have the most you want to have a very prominent link to your profile so you can get Yeah, I mean, sure your portfolio. Your portfolio is great. You have lots of images right there up top a lot of variation on images. And this is all stuff that you can consider concept art, the one that he's that one in the middle row. Michael Lubker
54:04As I went
Aaron Bothne
54:05down, 
scroll down through that. There was the one where it has basically the different angles of the character a little bit more like that one right there in the middle, fourth column, middle row. That one right there. So that's what you're going to be looking at a lot with character concept art is you want to you know, do things from different aspects and stuff. The next one on the next row, the bottom left, that's also good. You got an environment with different like biomes to it. That's the kind of stuff that people are going on seeing in concept art. So if that's what you're focusing on, you would probably want to move those images up higher on this graph of images, because that's the ones that you're going to want to see people to see first. If you're looking to focus on the character art. It's great your order is great you got a lot of the good news a lot of your more featured are but just be sure you're you know what you want to focus on with your portfolio so you can organize it to key into that.
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scroll down through that. There was the one where it has basically the different angles of the character a little bit more like that one right there in the middle, fourth column, middle row. That one right there. So that's what you're going to be looking at a lot with character concept art is you want to you know, do things from different aspects and stuff. The next one on the next row, the bottom left, that's also good. You got an environment with different like biomes to it. That's the kind of stuff that people are going on seeing in concept art. So if that's what you're focusing on, you would probably want to move those images up higher on this graph of images, because that's the ones that you're going to want to see people to see first. If you're looking to focus on the character art. It's great your order is great you got a lot of the good news a lot of your more featured are but just be sure you're you know what you want to focus on with your portfolio so you can organize it to key into that. Michael Lubker
55:06I could also see like if you're coming from tabletop like it seems like a natural fit to try to talk to companies that are doing like I did still code game or board game. What's the other point I bet of these days?
Aaron Bothne
55:25Because those are going to have I mean, especially card games you know, he got a piece of artwork for every single card and these games have 1000s of cards. That's a lot of work out there. There's a lot of art that needs to be done. The
Michael Lubker
55:38is a team that I advise that is building a digital code game but like now they're a student team, but you're still working on getting funding but if you want the Connect, I can make that connection. Yeah.
Aaron Bothne
55:55And that's very important thing right now, in with a very bleak looking industry. You're going to want to keep working on the work, you know the portfolio work, but you're not necessarily going to be able to get paid for it. So it's a good idea to get into game jams and hackathons and things that you can keep adding to your to your experience, even if you're not getting paid work. And obviously we all have to eat so you got to balance that with actually getting paid for things but you still want to keep building your portfolio all the time.
Malize Evans
56:32Well, 
on that note about the games you you participated in, just I cannot easily see what games are me. This is not something I mean I'm reading the whole the whole the whole page and I have to focus on a line in the middle of, of a paragraph to read. I worked in Illustrator for Hero games nights with bestill legendary games. They should be more much more visible. Yeah,
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on that note about the games you you participated in, just I cannot easily see what games are me. This is not something I mean I'm reading the whole the whole the whole page and I have to focus on a line in the middle of, of a paragraph to read. I worked in Illustrator for Hero games nights with bestill legendary games. They should be more much more visible. Yeah, Michael Lubker
57:07maybe making your white white space between this and the next line would be a good thing to do.
Aaron Bothne
57:18Yeah, break things out and having those hard carriage returns really make your it make it easier to read things more spread out you get balls of texts and that really turns people off. They'll get through the first sentence see how much more they got and then like not I'm not gonna do that.
Michael Lubker
57:34But yeah, if you into this, that I can definitely connect you with the group who, like I said there was a student team that can I'm actually helping them in the process of becoming a commercial team. But I'm sure that they would be interested to talk with you
Michael Lubker
58:07and and that you have interest in the like history of medicine and chemistry would be interesting to them because they're just work for
Aaron Bothne
58:26Do you have a resume? So we're Eric I didn't see it LinkedIn. If you don't, you definitely need to build one because your portfolio is great for showing off your work and stuff. But you still have to have some sort of text based resume because that's what employers use the automated ATS systems and they can't unfortunately, look at pictures and say what's good or not. So they're going to have to parse the text to match keywords. And that's how you get to well. Ideally that's how you get interviews. This leads mentioned in an earlier unfortunately it's not really the way it happens anymore. Networking is actually best but you still want to have a resume or CV on hand because it's going to be important. I mean, I've had times where you talk to a person, it's like Yeah, awesome. You got the job, but I still need you to go apply and send your resume. So I mean, obviously you know that's not gonna be a big deal but you know, they still want to see a resume stuff to submit some stuff stuff to people a lot of times, so it's nice to have and having them paired, not at all not having to prepared at the last minute.
Michael Lubker
59:31So and I'm interested to understand what you mentioned about issues speaking in public I'm happy to help support if needed.
Malize Evans
59:47Yes, I have bad news about that editor. Networking. I mean, gaming is a very networking oriented industry. If you don't learn how to network, your chances of getting a job decreased to the 1% because it's everything is not working here. That either these other bad news, so take my comms advice and go for them. Go to him for help.
Michael Lubker
01:00:22Yes, well, we do need to wrap up soon, but I will connect with everybody and see if there is anything else that any of you need. And I look forward to chatting with you guys.
Malize Evans
01:00:41Thanks for joining oh sorry. Michael Michael put the link to our Discord. If you have more questions you drop them on Discord you mentioned any one of us and we will answer them there.
Michael Lubker
01:00:53Yes. And I also did drop the link to the survey that I'm doing because we are working towards avoid to even always be willing to help people that maybe can't get to go to GDC or other events due to costs. So
Michael Lubker
01:01:22I like any other questions before we wrap up I like can't see if you're typing in chat. Also oh I just said I can't see if you're typing in. In zoom Erica so I hope I don't take you off but if you are typing or overwhelmed, maybe it will split it up or send to me on LinkedIn. But I would I would like to continue on
Malize Evans
01:02:05unrelated but I hope every single one of you watch the new trailer the Fallout series
Chiril Russu
01:02:13Fallout
Michael Lubker
01:02:13four Fallout Fallout three Yeah, the Amazon is releasing TPC series based on Polo.
Malize Evans
01:02:28Well, the thing that I am upset the most about it is that it was created by two people, but one of them is called Nolan and the other one is a woman and guess who is not appearing at any part of the of the marketing. Because the series was created by by Christopher Nolan brother and Lisa joy, same as Westworld. And they are only mentioning him he wants a trailer. It's from the director of west of Westworld. There were two directors. Yeah. About the situation people getting the arbiter yeah
Aaron Bothne
01:03:03I've lost faith in prime since they really kill like screwed over the identification wheel time. Like they really messed that up. Oh,
Malize Evans
01:03:13I mean as a person with five 6000 hours in full in full out for more than 700 hours in Fallout 76. I can brag about Fallout three and New Vegas because I have less than 100 But still I do approve of it.
Alisa Artemova
01:03:29Turns out hopefully we could
Malize Evans
01:03:32probably train it. I mean,
Michael Lubker
01:03:35I know. Just Just to wrap up and I have just a random curious question. I I actually just watched the mobile's the latest mobile movie and I don't get why people don't like it. It's just like
Aaron Bothne
01:03:59it wasn't bad movie to me. It wasn't bad. It was a cute movie. And I don't think cute is always the way you want to describe a superhero movie. Right?
Michael Lubker
01:04:08But it was also interesting because to this point, it was a female director. And yeah, I feel like you know, it does come across as really different but I have like,
Aaron Bothne
01:04:24yeah, I enjoyed it. I watched it and I enjoyed it. But like I said, I felt like it was a cute movie. And I just don't think I always go to a superhero movie to watch something cute. I mean, it was still exciting, and it was still fun. And it's still like I like concepts, and they did the cold transitioning of powers really well. But I mean, it just had a more of a cutesy element to it and I think that's I think that's what it was that kind of didn't quite an eye. That's actually it didn't fit the mold of the superhero movies, but I don't think that's a bad thing because the mold has been used at this point,
Michael Lubker
01:04:58right? I mean, I felt like was something different what was actually good
Aaron Bothne
01:05:05yeah, something refreshing. Anyway, I gotta get out here. Thank you guys all for joining us. Sorry, my split gag. I was
Malize Evans
01:05:10gonna say that we also have superhero exhaustion in general the public? Yes.
Aaron Bothne
01:05:16All right. Well, y'all have a good one. Thanks for joining us, and I'll talk to you later.
Michael Lubker
01:05:20Yeah, hope to see you and I look forward to talking to everyone more.
Alisa Artemova
01:05:26Thank you. Bye.
Michael Lubker
01:05:28Bye. Bye. Have a good day.
Malize Evans
01:05:33Yeah, we'll have to meet later that may get you the messages of of white Elisa, who was always wondering. Yeah, so questions that I'd like to answer and then we can beat ourselves up. Your mind. Okay. Okay. Oh, yeah.