It's been an analysis of the work that's been done with this and just in precinct eight nine speaks for itself, that it does work. And it's a tool that we need to make sure that our wonderful police, our police department has as a tool to more effectively do the job and do it efficiently and quickly. So again, I am asking for your support and approval of the ShotSpotter program. Thank you very much. All right. Thank you.
Good morning. Honorable Detroit city council members. My name is Andre James and 2017. I committed myself to participate in the revitalization of Detroit the city of Detroit. I purchased the home at 2215 Claremont from the let Detroit land bank to start a family. In this process. I found that this property offered everything that I needed. It was a two family flat and it offered at adjacent lot. We all were victims of COVID-19. I personally had it three times in regards to that Jason lives next to my home. I purchased from the land bank that I purchased the property for the lot. I've made constant continuous contact with the land bank irregardless about the lot and let's work with a receptionist. She clearly indicated that I will be notified when the lot becomes available. So I can purchase it. I contacted every each year since 2017. Instead of the lot, sir. Thanks. So unfortunately, that's your time. I'm not sure I didn't catch what district that you're in by. Oh, you're in my district. Okay. So if you don't mind, we'll get your information with you with alambic We actually have a land bank community meeting coming up where we would love for you to come out so we will get your information on the site here and work with you. All right. All right. Thanks for coming down. Mr. Williams. Good morning. Not long ago. Hello, my name is Eric Williams. I'm an attorney with the justice Detroit Justice Center. Not long ago this council passed an ordinance the civilian input over government surveillance ordinance, which mandates not only public disclosure prior to approval of surveillance contracts, but also requires that this body approve such purchases only after an objective cost benefit analysis. The ordinance specifically cites gunshot detection technology and contains a very limited exemption for the update of previously approved surveillance technology not its expansion, a vote to approve ShotSpotter before the ordinance has been complied with would violate not only the last spirit of informed public debate and rational public spending, but it's letter as well. And it begs the question, we really can't think of a better way to spend eight and a half million dollars to make the city safe Thank you. Thank you, Eric. Alexandra Hughes.
Hello, my name is Alexandra. Please speak up just a little bit more misuse on the military. Oh, your microphone is off this you just touch the bottom
of your microphone and it should cut off.
Oh, yes. Thank you. My name is Alexandra Hughes and Detroit. Born in Detroit. And I'm with
Michigan liberation today. I'm here to encourage castle
to not approve of the ShotSpotter program.
Since taking off our governor took office. She's went out of her
way to invest in local police departments. And on October 2120 21 $32
million was invested in local police department just to name a few.
And the largest municipalities Michigan has substantially boosted their funds that she's since being under Whitmore My point is that over funding the
Detroit Police Department and investing in surveillance, to answer to change crime
and decrease crime is not the answer. If that was going to decrease
crime it would have happened a long time ago.
They are clearly community our community needs affordable housing tenants facing evictions need stable housing, investing 7 million hotel for eviction for folks. That is what we need. We do not need ShotSpotter that is not going to help our communities.
Good morning. Thank you. Thank you. GLORIA flag
Good morning. My name is Gloria flag and from District One. O'Hara Park community. I have a comment during the fourth of July, leading up to the Fourth of July. We have a lots of shots fired in our area. How is this spot shattered? How is that going to help our community and not only that you got New Year's Eve it sounds like
Vietnam over there. So how is this gonna work? Those are my comments. Thank you so much. Aleta O'Neil. Morning, Councilman.
i My name is Alito Neil. President, the Huntington blog club. I'm also a member of the border of O'Hara My question is that I'm in agreement with this spot shatter. Because there's so many shows on Neil, can you speak up just a little bit more for us so we can hear you Okay, can you hear me now? It's just made me just Yeah, about now. There you go. Okay. My concern is that I think that we definitely do need this in the neighborhood because every night I hear gunshots. It's sad to see children being killed and bullets going through walls, standing at graveyards because of bullets being shot from a gun. We should have an organised step. These young people shooting him have guns, but that's another situation. But dispatch router. I think it would really really help the community and I think it would slow down people buying guns and using them. All right, thank you. Miss doors tapping. of community, by the spirit of justice. And by the spirit of love. This we pray in the name of all that we hold sacred and holy. All that we hold good and right and true. May it be so. Amen.
Amen. All right, thank you so much for that prayer, Reverend and feel free to stay on virtually if you can. If not, we do understand that we appreciate the invocation from you this morning.
Thank you. So I bless you. God bless you.
in like say two or three o'clock in the morning because it's usually around four o'clock when they three or four o'clock in the morning when they're doing this. So I am all fun. The spot shot I guess I'm saying it right and I would very much like to see that come. Right. Thank you so much, Henrietta IV standing committee
for reports from various city departments.
The four reports will be referred to the budget Finance and Audit standing committee for the internal operations standing committee reports
from various city departments.
of the ShotSpotter I think I'm saying it right. But what I want to know is the efficiency of this technology and the response time when the sounds are picked up and does this lead to capturing the criminals when the shots are fired or when crimes are being committed with with weapons? All right, thank you. Sanders.
Hello, everyone. Body Council body president
pro tem. So my name is Tanisha Sanders. I am in district one. I am against the ShotSpotter only because we don't have houses that we don't have nowhere for people to go. And so I know this needs to be allocated somewhere. But it didn't need to be somewhere else other than going into this technology. I just don't see enough data. I don't see enough. Okay, due to the amount of public comment and we're going to cut off our public
content little slots in the news and what they're doing, but I just
lost the cousin Friday. She
got shot nine times, you know, because she didn't give a guy hit her number. That's what they're saying. So like, you know that couldn't stop her stops SplashData couldn't stop her.
I'm going to her for another Saturday.
She's 18 years old, you know, so just give me something make it make sense to me. And I'll see if I'm bored. But as of right now I am against it because I lose too many family members and if you're gonna be there on time, how are you gonna be there on time?
Okay, thank you. Thank you
Dr. Otis.
Good morning by the city council. It's a beautiful thing to be able to sit in front of you all today, resident district to graduate from high school. I've been on the other side of this thing before. I haven't always been in a position I'm here. Thank God I've been able to turn my life around. A few weeks ago, as you all know, we lost a few people due to a senseless killing. I literally stay right around the corner from that. I usually get up and jog about four o'clock in the morning that could have been me as one of those people that got killed out there. This is opportunity for us to do something. I'm probably one of the most radical people that's involved in politics. So this is a tough thing for me. But I do support ShotSpotter because we need to figure out how to do something to stop all these violent crimes that we have going on. I get that we spend money other places, but if we were going to do that we'd have been doing it by now. So those are just my comments and I hope that whatever decision you all make is a good one. And if it is turned down, please have a plan that will stop
Before behind that, thank you.
Thank you. All right, really quick to the media services. Are we okay with our sound being broadcasted? When the TV on the television? I was informed that we may have some issues with our meeting being broadcast? No, you cannot hear it out in the hall. I'm sorry. Okay, so we could Are we good to go? We are. Okay. All right. Thank you. Our next public comment, Mr. Eight off. Good morning, council members. It's Mr. Sayed off. I'm sorry, this is no problem. No problem. Thank you for the opportunity to share my comments. I am a part of the Robindale community.
I am not a black club president. I am a black club advocate. And I am here in support. The spot shatters and it specifically. It is a preventative tool from my standpoint of view. Having been here for over 43 years on one block of Maidan between Pipedrive and Dickerson. I have seen
the degradation that has gone on
and it's a very sad situation which we're all aware of. However, I feel that had the ShotSpotter been available and my neighborhood during the first quarter of this year. We lost a young woman who had who had been shot and then her body was burned in a building right across the street from me recently in the last quarter. There's been shots that have been fired often and we all are aware of it because we're Detroiters Okay, and so thank you so much for your time. I appreciate it. Thank you so much. Sondra Turner handy. Oh, good morning, honorable body. I'm Sandra
Turner handy. I'm the lead on the Denby neighborhood Alliance and I'm also the president of the ninth precinct Community Relations Council. We have ShotSpotter in our community since it is deemed as the most violent community in our city. SAC spotters have been able to take guns off the streets in our community. And I just have to really say that the fact that gunfire to become a normal not just in nine but across the city is unheard of. In any we need to to work on the root problems but in the meantime, we're losing lives and every life that we lose is worth more than seven $8 million, at least my life is I know it's worth more than $7 million and we are a technology
that will get these guns off the street we need to use it and please understand that I am so in support of this and you have to remember that $8 million is not the cost of a life. Mr. Smith? Yes, my name is Anthony Smith. I'm president of the main United black club. And I've been a resident of District Four for about five years. I come from the west side. But I'm supporting ShotSpotter because it it seems a way to stop those who are repeatedly doing it. Most of the people that are doing it are doing it again and again. They're not getting taught. So I think the south part if they could recognize where the shots being fired and get there soon enough and they can probably arrest of people doing it, but he won't do it again. Not have Sam in support of it. I don't know a whole lot about it. But it's a way to do something to try to stop the continue of gunfire that we hear in our community every night. Thank you. Thank you Mr. Smith. Mr. Withers.
Hi, my name is Joshua weathers I'm Vice President of meeting United black club and I'm in 100% supportive ShotSpotter. One of the elements I think it'll combat is the there's a certain amount of people that when they see crime or hear crimes, whether it's due to culture or fear, they won't call the police. You know, in my neighborhood I know it was a majority of people would not call the police growing up, you know, it was just something that was kind of taught in and still so I mean I don't know whether that'll become corrected in my generation. But I think ShotSpotter will help that a lot. You know,
if even if no one calls you in at least the police will be notified. You're
right, thank you so much. Mr. Smith, James Smith. Yes, I'd like to speak in support of the ShotSpotter from a personal instance, recently there was a young girl killed in my neighborhood and abandoned house. I had noticed in the weeks prior these young boys outside with AK 40 sevens, walking around like they own the neighborhood. They go into the backyard
I'm sitting teaching my daughter how to barbecue and play horseshoes and do something productive
and all of a sudden shots shots going off. And this was a week or two before that girl got killed in that house. Although police chase was led to southwest Detroit to Bonton area. I believe the boys are in custody now. But it's if some if it would have been some way to tell that those shots were going off in some way because like you said before, is a thing where you don't even want to call the police is scary. You don't want to be labeled like that, because then they can target you that there's some kind of technology that we can use to get these types of guns off the street and save lives of these young children. I believe nothing we can do but get the ShotSpotter necessary. Need to save lives, especially these children out here. Save a lot of these young boys has gone to jail for absolutely nothing.
Thank you Mr. Jones. I'm born and raised in Detroit. I live in District Six while I'm here representing District Six. I think the ShotSpotter is something that should be available to every Detroiter
by showing such progress already in the areas that it's in.
It's only fair and right that it's available for all of us. You know, it seemed like it's a higher priority or something or maybe our representatives don't really care about certain areas, but we're all Detroiters. We should all get the same fairness and, you know, show that all of our lives matter and try to do anything possible to prevent these unnecessary deaths and injuries. Thank you, Dan Squier. Hi, I'm with Michigan roundtable for diversity and inclusion. I'm here to ask that the city council vote for No, I'm the ShotSpotter today. We've been listening to a lot of the research and seeing the stories coming out of communities. That was a little bit louder. Yeah. My name is Dan, what the Michigan roundtable for diversity inclusion. I'm here to ask City Council vote no on ShotSpotter. We're here at the request of many of our community partners who have been doing the research and collecting the stories around the impact of ShotSpotter and while it has had some marginal I'm sorry to cut you off. Can we please start the clock please? Okay, sorry about
that. You get the error time. Oh, yeah.
My name is Desmond Miskin roundtable for diversity inclusion. I'm asking city council to vote no on ShotSpotter we're here at the request of community partners who are having to doing the research and collecting the stories of the impact of ShotSpotter. We know that research is showing that ShotSpotter does not actually have evidential based success and that and while it does have some marginal success and collecting some guns it is not worth the cost of investment to continue proceeding with this process. You were looking at a service that is continuing to wage war and its community rather than partnering with the community and undoing the historic harm that the city of Detroit Police Department has had there is evidence that shows and support that community based partnerships and initiatives that work on preventing gun violence actually is more effective than using the technology that is a reactive service. Thank you. Last night, Mr. Clark. Great to hear.
Okay. Thank you so much City Council.
I just want to thank you for pursuing you time, you might want to start the timer. So I'm here to ask that you vote no on ShotSpotter. I want to start off by saying I'm a resident of District Four,
East Warren and Audubon. And my heart goes out to the many families and elders who have lost folk lost loved ones growing up in Detroit it
becomes normal for you. I remember seeing the first gun that I ever saw in fourth grade when a friend Greg brought it to Merritt near it was the school I went to at the time he showed it to us in the locker and we looked at it. He ended up being expelled
because another student took it out and put it to another kid's back. Right. And he spent time in prison
very recently in our 20s While I was in college, so I take offense when people say
that I haven't experienced these things personally because yes I haven't experienced being shot or being shot at. But what I can say is that the reason that my life has gone different from Gregory is not because he's a monster like DPD said at their event last week, not because he he's some sick person, it's because he didn't have the resources that I had. I want to caution you on voting on reactive policy. Also, I'm sorry, but can you please see some of the elders as well as disabled or handicapped that is joining us today should have a opportunity to sit? For my understanding there is room for people to sit in the auditorium while the BCA is conducting their hearings. So if anyone is disabled, just raise your hand if you're in a wheelchair and my staff will walk someone those individuals down to the auditorium where they can sit. folks outside can't hear. They can't hear what's said here so excuse me. One second, please. I understand that they can't hear in the hallway because those TVs unfortunately do not have value. We already tried with media services. It does not work. And the BCA is
conducting hearings in the auditorium. So unfortunately, we cannot
broadcast anything and various will. And so again, if anyone is disabled, or is in a wheelchair, we do want to make sure that we accommodate you so please raise your hand and my team will make sure that they do have have seats. Unfortunately, we're still going through some delays. We're trying to make sure council was able to hold meetings in the auditorium and so unfortunately we are not able to meet there at this time in the BCA is conducting their hearings at this moment as well. Alright, so thank you for your public comment and we'll now move to Mr. De Lagos. I'm a resident of District Six born and raised in southwest Detroit. I'm live there all my life and like them, I understand the gun violence. I have a bullet in our house, but it seems like this is just gonna be sending cops spreading them thin as it is, and then sending them already like ready to shoot because they heard there's a gunshot right over here who were looking for. They don't know. And I feel like that's just more dangerous for all of our residents. And I implore you to please vote no.
Thank you. Thank you, Yvonne. Yes. Hello, my name is Ivana Beretta. I'm a resident of District Six. I've lived here since I was two years old. I understand that gun violence is a real issue in our family. My house has also been shot at there's holes in the walls of my house and my parents house as well. My house has been robbed six to seven times growing up. I want real safety and solutions for my community. But I'm also undocumented. And for me the violence I feared the most growing up was directly from law enforcement. Sending technology that would send police into my community does not make me feel safe. And the mayor is lying to residents saying that ShotSpotter will save lives. There's no data to support that. That's what ShotSpotter does. But what we know about ShotSpotter is that Biden met with the mayor and is promoting ShotSpotter across the country because ShotSpotter executives and shareholders have donated hundreds and 1000s of dollars to Biden's campaign and they're not motivated by wanting to keep us safe. They're motivated. By profit ShotSpotter pockets 40% of all contracts directly to profit. Do do we want our public safety agenda to come from builders or from Detroiters?
Dangerous niches Noblesville.
I'm the lead organizer for restoration, The Good Sam campaign when Miss B liberation and I'm gonna get shot spotter for various reasons, but one is that eight is the same argument that they use for the green light, the same argument and we gave them all that money in the green light and convicted so many people illegally and people have the green light have simply had people set the prisoner with the wrong person. So what do we think this gonna do? Because the so indoctrinated, that is system that we're gonna give more leverage to the police department to convict innocent people. I served 28 years in prison for corrupted Detroit homicide section officer. I know how it is. And now we want to give them more power. Why don't they just do their damn job right now?
If they do the job right now it wouldn't be no need for all these other devices that we want to and minority neighborhoods with. Thank you so much, sir. Thank you. Thank you. Gabrielle Dresner. Good morning. Thank you for taking the time to hear my comments this morning. My name is Gabrielle Dresner. I'm with the ACLU of Michigan. The ACLU has long spoken out against the use of surveillance technology under the guise of protection regarding ShotSpotter. We have several main concerns. First ShotSpotter has a close relationship with law enforcement and has edited classifications of sounds after the fact at the request of police departments. Even given this knowledge ShotSpotter has been used as evidence against defendants in criminal cases. In a 2016 trial, a ShotSpotter expert admitted to reclassifying sound from a helicopter to a bullet at the request of the police department customer saying that such changes occur all the time. Second ShotSpotter is methodology has not been independently evaluated or peer reviewed, which leads me to my third concern the effectiveness of ShotSpotter technology. Several cities have stopped using ShotSpotter after demanding or determining excuse me that
it wasn't as effective as they had hoped at accurately identifying gunshots for the reasons mentioned the ACLU of Michigan urges you to vote no on this proposal. Thank you. Great. Thank you, Ray miss. Good morning, council members. My name is Rama dude. I'm a district five resident and an attorney at the ACLU of Michigan. Just to follow up on what my colleague said. The ACLU believes that the city council invests far too many resources in ineffective policing programs, and far too little in actual community oriented public safety models. So I would just ask this council to consider instead of starting with the premise that we want to ShotSpotter expansion, how much money does it cost instead? Go back to the drawing board and ask yourselves, we have seven $8 million. How do we best want to spend that to make the lives of Detroit residents better and more healthy? I would be surprised if any of you in the room today would rank ShotSpotter over better housing, better public transit, better education, school supplies for kids, grants for small businesses. And so I would join my colleague Gabrielle and asking you to oppose the expansion of ShotSpotter and invest in actual public safety models that help the community instead
of hurting. Right, thank you Abdo. Thank you council members for your time. My name is Abdul Rahman and I'm the managing director of research and data for Campaign Zero. Our team has been working on to understand research around ShotSpotter and its effectiveness as highlighted and summarized by research brief released by the Ford School earlier this month. ShotSpotter is ineffective and has not been found to reduce crime. ShotSpotter and DPD released a misleading visual suggesting that ShotSpotter is responsible for the drop in violent crime in the ninth precinct by comparing it to the entirety of the city including both high crime and low crime precincts. I did the same descriptive analysis however using DPD
Record Management System data, it revealed that to neighboring precincts, the 10th and 12 Not, not shots
shot non ShotSpotter screenings also experienced a similar and in many cases larger drop in violent crime. In other words, there was a drop in violent crime regardless of whether the precincts had ShotSpotter or not. It is clear that ShotSpotter only benefits one group. And that's its shareholders. American rescue plan funds and other funds allocated for public safety should be prioritized to invest in civic goods and public safety solutions that actually have a proven evidence base and reducing crime and improving public safety.
Thank you, councillor.
Thank you. Yes, thank you to the speaker who just spoke. If you have that analysis of the neighboring precincts that you can send over to a council that would be held because we've gotten a number of communication from your organization, but I have not seen Yes, that was emailed out last night. Last night. Okay. I talked to a number of city council members, we'll
be happy to circulate it again. Thank
you. Thank you, Councilmember.
Thank you. Uh, we were able to locate a speaker
so we will have a speaker in the hallway momentarily. It is out there now. So those who are waiting to come in will be able to hear the console session
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DeRay Mckesson i Lead Campaign Zero I'll just follow up with kind of hard to hear you might want to speak up
a little bit louder. Remember younger
DeRay Mckesson,
I lead Campaign Zero just to follow up on Abdul's point about the data. Remember that the ShotSpotter data was secret data that we could not actually recreate. We use the open portal data that is the public data that the police department that's out but I'll note that there's a difference between what ShotSpotter says and what is actually true in their legal documents. So that's about a publicly says that they will help solve crime and decrease gun violence. That Detroit contract with ShotSpotter reads the contractor does not represent a representative will not result in a prevention of crime apprehension or conviction of any perpetrator of crime. ShotSpotter very transparently says that they will not actually solve crime, they will not find people who commit crimes. ShotSpotter says that you don't have to believe us you should actually just believe ShotSpotter on this one. The other one is that they publicly make claims about accuracy. They say that the technology is 97% accurate. It has not been independently validated by any source and in their legal documents to this city. into the into the legal documents in this city. They've actually made no claims about accuracy. The last thing I'll say is that Patrick sharpies research says that for every 10 non time thank you so much for reading you. Morning.
My name is Forrest, please. I was getting to it. Thank you.
Good morning. My name is Nancy Parker. I'm managing attorney of Detroit Justice Center,
resident of the west side. I was here last week telling you guys about all the legal reasons why you should vote no on this. You will see 1983 cases you will see probable cause issues with these police stops. Folks have talked to about how stop and frisk will increase. Folks are already coming in height and they're going to be even more so my little children. Everyone is on guard but you guys have heard the statue you know it's ineffective. You've seen the paperwork you do not need us to parrot it. I'm also do not believe people have to sit up here and report out the trauma that they have lived for you guys to take us seriously. I'm now just appealing to the moral compass of this board. You
are elected by the people to serve the people do not put greed
and money over our lives. Everyone here is saying the same thing. We want a solution and an action plan for the violence that we are experiencing ShotSpotter is not it. Why don't you invest in the people please vote no. Do the right thing here. Thank you so much. Rogers. Rogers greetings Council. My name is Shiva Rogers and I come before you representing the blank slate. While many of you know the blank slate is the only organization that supported Mayor Coleman Young in his first bid for Mayor our roots go back to the 1950s given our history and what we know to be true about the previous attempts to keep our community safe. Those attempts have failed us. We asked you to vote no, we do not support ShotSpotter and here's why. Since 911 2001, the city of Detroit has used general fund dollars, capital dollars and federal dollars to invest in the latest and greatest technology, weaponry and equipment. You invested our money and technology to build a ComStat program to help police see where crime waves were happening to stop it in his tracks. Yet today
we are still wrestling with
the rise in violent crime. You created the Homeland Security
Department and
outfitted it with the best in this class state of the art technology. Yet today we still wrestle with the rise in violent crime. You invested in military grade weaponry, we even bought a tank to fight off the bad guys and yet we are still wrestling 20 years later to stop violent crime. Thank you, Jacqueline. Good morning. My name is Jacqueline Cuevas. I am a resident a longtime resident of District Six southwest Detroit. I come as a business owner I do not have statistics and research. I come as a business owner of a liquor store where I see pretty violent things or I can see pretty when things we we've had a Project Greenlight for a little under a year and we've seen the difference is made in our community. We are across the street from a church and a nonprofit organization and community is very important to me. I do believe that this technology from what I have researched will help us prevent as similar to the green light where people think twice before before they do something. So I'm here in support of the technology hoping that it can better our community. Thank you. Thank you. Miss bridges. Yes. Hello, my name is Teresa. I'm a student at Wayne State. I'm here today because I have several concerns about ShotSpotter. You know, it seems from what I've seen that there are several steps in the process where the information flow seems to break down. And I think that's just an important consideration in light of the whole looking at the statistics that ShotSpotter itself puts out versus you know, Independent reports that call that into question. The only other thing I would like to say is, it seems to me like ShotSpotter is just the newest iteration and a long line of the people of Detroit, this community being taken advantage of and being put down and I think it's really
important to consider who we're serving
and what interests we care about, you know,
looking at housing, education, things that will build people up rather than tear them down. I think those are the things that you know, we we can all focus on more and you know, make Detroit better for its citizens and not for the people who you know, I have a financial interest. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Shelton. The mornings, leave Shelton against ShotSpotter because we don't need ShotSpotter we need poverty spotter opportunity spotter. We need more of those types of spotters. The city Detroit is just drowning in poverty. The most accurate statistics show that Detroit is at least 50% below the poverty level. We've had quite a lot of funds coming to the city of Detroit the COVID care funds came here. The ARPA funds over $800 million is still here in ARPA funds and only about $30 million have been spent and most of that $30 million have been spent on contractual services and soft costs. Where is the money
to alleviate and to deal with the poverty. Crime is poverty driven. You will not surveillance your way out of crime. It just won't happen.
All you're doing is giving money away to outside corporate entities and you are
neglecting the people people don't want ShotSpotter that's the bottom line. Right. Thank you.
Thank you what they bring up.
Morning. Good Morning councils. My name is Sabrina Levine I represent district seven Robert aviation area and predominantly there are 99.5 elderly people where I reside and we are for the spot shot we will for whatever that will enhance our protection in the community. The elderly people there have been there since the 60s And I think that they deserve to have a better quality of life, which includes more protection. So we are in agreement for it. And thank you for hearing me. Thank you. Mr. Nasir. Yes, good morning, counselor. I'm here to support in the police. The police working for us. He will confer the public working for the city of Detroit for the citizen who come here to support this shot spirit.
Because it's helping the people, not against the people. If I buy a gun I'm not buying a gun shoot the police when I buy you know I buy
to keep it for myself,
protect myself, my family by not going outside and shooting people, whatever who want to do that. He should be locked up. He can just let the people everybody have a gun like a police officer. So when they need knowledge if it's that way. So we need you to vote for this to protecting the people of the city of Detroit to make the city more safety. Thank you. All right. Thank you, sir. Jennifer Williams Good afternoon Council. It is my pleasure to be here. With you. I am the grandmother of Pierre Williams. Pierre Williams was shot 11 year old took an AK assault rifle give it to his 15 year old brother. He shot my 3.5 CASS tech academic scholarships to college for basketball, football and his skills that he had Pierre was a king because that was the claim that raised him to be there. We live in District Six. I am at the beginning of the new phase of the John Lewis Greenway, which will start the second phase. I have bought a rental properties there. I've stayed in my neighborhood I'm 65 years old. I've only lived in two houses in Detroit.
I'm a rather die.
I'm also the Vice President of citizens per troll.
I say that I would like to agree with shots fired spotter because why the air was shot three times once from afar on a camera two times in the back of his head with an AK there were 20 bullets that was fired. I say to you guys, at this point in time. We have 27 members of the Stanley family that's in the penal system. They have had all kinds of appeals. I got to put those on my desk
right now. My daughter's six tried to kill herself twice.
My daughter My granddaughter has tried to kill herself twice. I believe that that shot spider would go to Joe Lewis Greenway. It was helped me.
I believe that's your
time this week. I
do apologize. I
have to cut you off. I appreciate me to speak God bless you. All he was well Miss Williams. Thank
you. Nasr so Good morning, I'm living in Detroit area and we have nighttime all time we hear shootings in that area. A lot of you know shooting slot a problem in any way. Do you see any
protect us
from any things that has nothing to happen?
Please then come in around that area. Even a day team will never see him. He didn't drive that in that area. Lot of problem we have people parking in the grass area in front of houses. You know, the make everything is messed up. So we're places we tried to help work with the police when the police didn't look like didn't help us. Thank you. All right. Thank you, Miss Jenkins. Good morning, Council. I am a supporter of ShotSpotter and the reason why I am is because I have noticed that it has been a deterrent in my neighborhood. I've been in my house for 48 years, and I have noticed a drastic change in the community. And I realize what the problems are and I also realized that we have a lot of mental issues which need to be addressed. But I do feel that ShotSpotter will be a deterrent and they'll be able to be able to
track where the bullets are actually coming from and then they can also apprehend the individual that's
responsible. But I do think that we need to be using some of our monies toward our mental issues in our community. And I don't mean just young people. We got a lot of older people that have mental issues. So I'm just a supporter of the new phase of the spa shatter. I already have it in my community and I have noticed that it has been determined. Thank you. Miss Jones. Thank you, Council President Mary Sheffield and the city council members and Secretary of the Hayden street block club. I've been living on my street for 26 years I've lived East Side west side and I'm currently on the west side. And I'd have I'm 71 years old I was born in 1951. I have not seen an improvement in the neighborhoods, all of my life. They've just been continuously deteriorating. And we have elected city council members to take
care of that issue.
The money going towards the ShotSpotter to me, are the police gonna
get there any faster gonna get there now?
I don't think so.
I think we need more money put into neighborhoods, more police recruited
and neighborhoods is so bad because we don't have any inspectors. If he was in Southfield or Royal Oak or someplace you will get tickets. You say you don't want to get tickets. That's because you don't care how the city looks. So the city council we elected you to do something for this city. You know, I don't see any improvement. I see recreation centers I think backpacks being given out. I see. rows for bicycles arrived up in Ghana, but I don't see a plan for the neighborhood. What plans do you have for the neighborhoods? What city wide plans do you have and I'm sick and tired of this sewage bill. My water bill is actually $15 But some type of charge for that but 60 something dollars for sewage. We should not have to do that what happened with the President's infrastructure bill think as opposed to follow the pipe. Don't put it on the citizens Miss Jones. I've never had
to do that. All right.
I'll put it on that. Thank you.
We appreciate you. Miss Jones.
Thank you so much for your public comments.
I need to take care of that
job. Miss Vanessa. Hi, everyone. Um, I've been listening to as many comments as I can when we got the speaker out there in the hallway. And the biggest thing that I'm hearing is that we're asking you to invest in us in ways that we've asked plenty of times in other sessions and people have asked for funding and housing people have asked for funding and transportation people have asked for those solutions that would actually deter crime from being happening. And my 22 years of living in Detroit, I have seen a lot of band aids. I've seen a lot of like, gotta catch them all type of solving. And what we're asking for is prevention measures, not reactionary measures. So I urge you all to do what the community has been begging for and it's actually invest in the individuals not the crime that you think may happen or what you think is gonna happen or hypothesize in a community. Find what actually needs to change the housing, access to actual reliable transportation and being able to move around the city and thrive in the neighborhood that you love. And want to see grow. But I don't see that I
see fences being put up around parks or big old boulders. I don't see people actually being encouraged to be in community but challenge your access to it. Thank you. Thank you.
Ty che Good morning, everyone. I'm one of you guys on first she can speak a little bit louder for us it's hard to hear you you're good morning everyone on mute and gotta get God on
not to intrude. We can't really hear you I don't know if you want to just pull the microphone little bit closer to your to your face. Yes. I'm not really known about the gun during the school going on, but I know a lot of guns sibling, my neighbor. I live on Hayden for dinner. 45 years. And it used to be a beautiful neighborhood. A beautiful neighborhood. I remember. I can walk through my neighborhood. I can drive to it. And it's just going down I mean, where people move in, they don't even care. And we've got people that own your concert seats here that we do vote for. And I can remember my neighborhood was very beautiful and it's just a mess. You can walk down there's trash throat. There's trees right now from where the water stopped up stone we just had not the wounded from the tree. They don't even come and pick up. No they don't even come in clean but we get more bills. We get more. I'm saying headaches is stress for tight tension right now with what's going on in my knees. are gonna go to Lake House and thank you so much. Yes, it goes pretty well. Thank you for your public comment. We
appreciate you Pastor mo
Good morning. Madam President.
Vice President Pro Tem
and council body. God bless you all this morning. I know this council does his homework. I know you. I've worked with many of you in the streets closely. So I know you care about the city. That's not a question. The issue they may face today is to technology that directly addresses gun violence versus reporting systemic problems. And the truth is, we just need both. That's the truth. And don't be as good or rec center and Whitney and also do a cargo pigeon to ISO school. Well once gunshots rang out all education is stopped. With me in this session. Now the gunshot rains out this session will be stopped. Safety comes first we just city have a real problem with random impulsive gun violence which is impossible to police when it's random. This technology will address random impulsive gunshots. So we need that because it's it's important that lives be slept safely. So I'm going to concentrate on my bed. And I'll check you guys thank you so much.
halus Miss Alice.
Good morning.
I was born and raised in Detroit. I've lived here all my life and I love the city. I'm concerned about the increase in crime over the last several years and personally I see the Shot Spotter program as a detriment to cry. For that reason I am in support of it. Right. Thank you. l BA is Good morning, everyone. My name is John ball. I'm from district seven. And as Jackie Miss Hala said, I've also been in Detroit for since the early 70s. And I do see crime elevating. So I am for ShotSpotter is because we're losing our police officers daily. And this would be something that would help the police officers so I do approve shot
spotters. Thank you. All right. Thank you.
Miss Lusk.
Good morning. My name is Sophia Lusk and I'm a resident
of district five. I urge you to vote no on ShotSpotter today.
Gun violence is a real problem but ShotSpotter is not the answer. ShotSpotter is a reactive measure that won't keep our community safer. ShotSpotter by its very nature is not proactive. We need to invest in other programs that help the people of Detroit and actually keep us safer transportation, affordable housing, health care. These are all areas we could be spending these American rescue Act dollars to help better our silly city and help our residents ShotSpotter is not an infallible or impartial measure and it could increase racial and class disparities. All the while not increasing safety. I urge you to look at other cities that have denied ShotSpotter and more so such that cities that have ShotSpotter and has shown it is not effective. I want our community to heal. I want to prevent gun violence but ShotSpotter is not the answer. Lastly, I urge you to listen to the data that was circulated to you last night as it speaks for itself. For these reasons and many,
many more. I asked my city council member Mary Sheffield
and all the city council members to vote no on ShotSpotter today. Thank you so much.
Ally. Golly, yeah. Good morning.
My name is Lee. I'm a resident of district five and
I'm here to ask you to vote against
ShotSpotter and invest this money instead in the people of Detroit. Believing that safety can be achieved through installing microphones is to misunderstand the source of violence. Violence does not happen because there's no surveillance or punishment. Violence is not random. violence happens because people are hungry isolated because they do not feel valued seen as human beings resolving violence and requires any funds available at hand to be directed towards the acute needs towards repairing homes, building green spaces, creating community health centers, ensuring each child gets education, funding public transportation, violence. will end when people can trust each other can feed their children feel supported their communities can see a future for themselves. It is not the cameras but it is US Fed, nourished, cared for in community who keeps us safe. This is why I'm asking you to commit to the city commit to the black and brown people of Detroit. And say no to wasting money on. Thank you. Thank you reading
all the way go right ahead.
Good morning, Mr. Agha with you have a minute for public comment. Okay, we just heard what the gentleman said.
And I'm in agreeance with some parts of it. Majority of it except but no show ShotSpotter because I jumped off deployed in the city of Detroit when I was 13 years old and I know more so to anybody in his role. Anybody in his whole building, that whenever gunshots get fired and the police got to roll out here to see where the gunshot came from. They need to know where it's coming from. And that's not just for the police as far as citizens to ShotSpotter is the hot topic of the day but today I came about 13 FeiFei to New Bern and Billy Ingram. I'm gonna make him the most famous crackhead and doping in the city of Detroit because he tried to sell that stuff next door to my mom. That didn't call the police on me. I've been arrested about seven times in the last 18 months based on a lie. I need some done. I needed to stop. I need a level three see the backup off me today.
Thank you Mr.
and Miss Ruby. I came here to speak on SPA shadows. I was at
I didn't make it to my Nam meeting which I'm Anam memory we had the deputy chief there. We had the deputy mayor, their
Deputy Chief of Police, so I listened to it on my phone on Facebook because I didn't get chance to make it but anyway, what I didn't approve on for the spy shadows.
If any one of us was walking down
the street after it has been a shot somewhere with
spy shouted and they don't know who we are. They said if we look suspicious if we look back to the sad day gonna stop us that's not right. So spy shadows is not really on point.
So since it's not on point, I wouldn't
agree with having spy shadows because it would take and it would
have them looking at us like we like we need to shoot him. You know so we might not even know the shooting happened on
that street or that particular
area correct. So we don't notice the shooting and then we get out our car and we walk down the street and then we looking back or whatever. Well we might chat and start jogging just to be jogging. Then they go and look at us as a personal interest. Thank you Miss Riley. All right, we're gonna now turn to our virtual public comments. And if you could just remind us how many callers we have joining us today for public comment. Morning Madam President, we have 64 callers who raise their hand before you cut off public comment. And the first caller is Elvin Stokes. Good morning honorable board. This is Alvin Stokes. I am the president of citywide citizens police community relations, and I'm calling in favor of ShotSpotter. One reason is because our officers need help. You know we until
we can find a way to keep our
officers in the city and working for us. We
pay him to go through training but right after training, they go somewhere else. We need compatible pays for our officers and they
need all the help that they can get. If you're not part of the solution. You're part of the problem. Get involved in your community, your community organization, the precincts organizations, the quality of life issues that are going on in the city of Detroit is the reason for most of our crime. We have kids out here today that had no clue what conflict resolution is other than firing a gun. Enough is enough. There are so many guns in the street now that we can't turn left or right. Are officers need help. And ShotSpotter is one way that we can help our officers. Y'all were elected to talk about us. Now the thing is, is y'all need to find out how the citizens want to to vote, not how you want to vote. And from what I'm hearing most of us is in favor of ShotSpotter Thank you and have a great day. Thank you. All right, next caller please. The next caller is Katie Moreno Good morning. Hello. I'm calling from Pingree Park. I'm the director and
vessel for the burns Seneca
Fisher Jr. Block club.
This is a children organization nonprofit. We have 56 children
over here that meet and discuss things that matter to them. We have talked ShotSpotter
we want it our junior block club our children our kids over here have unfortunately been touched twice by gun violence to funerals. In the last three months both children funerals, approved ShotSpotter children are highly vulnerable. They have little or no power to protect or provide for themselves and little influence on so much that is vital to their well being. Children need others to speak up for them. And they need decision makers who put their well being ahead of selfish adult interest. I haven't heard any children or minors speak to counsel today.
Our kids are saying it's more accurate than us calling isn't it? Let's listen to our children. Let's
approve it please. next caller please. next caller is Paul Jones The third
Good morning everyone. My name is Paul Jones a third I'm a 25 year old year old lifelong Detroiter and I'm a resident of district five here imploring the city council to vote no on a ShotSpotter expansion. This is reactionary policy that has not been proven to address the issue of gun violence here in Detroit and it will only help add to the profits of a tech company. And justify the terror that DPD is able to inflict on our neighborhoods ShotSpotter will not prevent deaths DPD no ShotSpotter have not proven this technology to be effective. Instead, they've taken to the exploitation of our pain for tech contract. None of the horrible things we've heard today would have been prevented by this technology. We should all be disgusted by the display. DPD is put on printing our children's names on cheap headstones as a visual aid and misleading elders on how this technology works. Chicago has a $33 million deal with ShotSpotter and it doesn't work. Our communities are hurting it DPD is trying to
sell us surveillance and safety.
We need to start the Detroit Police as waste of our public resources. Thank you.
Thank you. Our next caller
please. next
caller is Yvonne Jones.
ShotSpotter
that's in police and invest in people. Our current police
budget is over $340 million
of our general funds plus grant funds and we are still not saying stop pitting us against each other shame on the
mayor's office. And the police department
of using people's pain to push this agenda. It is time for a change in how we look at making the public safe. Everyone on this call and before has talked about making a safe in one way or the other and we need to come together to come up with real solutions to make Detroit a safer ShotSpotter is not the solution. Thank you. Our next caller please. The next caller is Karen hammer Samer, you may proceed. Good morning. The question here is does stop ShotSpotter reduce crime the data doesn't offer any proof and the people who who lay their hearts out about the crimes that they've committed seen committed or have been affected
by
our right we got to stop crime,
but in actuality, the shot has already been fired. The crime has already been committed. To help prevent crime.
We need to lift up the community and have solutions to extending the COVID relief that Arca was intended for better transit, more and better income Inclusive Housing after school programs and libraries open. What we need is to have
the people invested in and
thank you so much. Our next caller please. next caller is phone number ending in 299. Yeah, good morning. My name is Joyce Moore with the Virginia Park Community Coalition. within the boundaries of the Virginia Park community. I have asked repeatedly what are the original boundaries on the Virginia Park community in terms of what the five year plan will be and I have not gotten that response from any council member. And all of you have my email address, I think on Google but yet it is not clear
what those boundaries are.
Secondly, we as residents and citizens
of the city choice we need at large back. We need to make it a ballot issue. And the second ballot issue should
also be test the test whether or not we want to test on our properties or not. The streetscape and the Virginia Park community, as it stands right now is questionable. Why should we have a seascape and pay $9 million for when in two years and 2024 we have Karlis cars on choosing driverless cars. So we need to go back and have an audit asset repeatedly on our monies and how it's being spent by this governor, I mean by this by this Mayor. Thank you so much. Just want to advise everyone who's calling in to keep your eye on the clock. Everyone will get one minute in total. next caller please. The next caller is and I apologize if I mispronounce this tiddy on some. column you may unmute yourself and begin. Yeah, good morning. I'm Tegan Sam. Yeah.
I want to business here on seven minute gratia area.
Yeah, I do support the shots but
thank you. Thank you.
Our next caller, please. The next caller
is Kia Mathis. Can I be heard?
You can hear you? Yes now. All right. Thank you. I'm the housing and family engagement organizer at Detroit people's platform. We are a member of the Housing Trust Fund coalition we've always engaged Council around the need for truly affordable housing in this city. Many of the issues we have such as evictions, blight, job loss and truancy has origins in securing housing that is affordable. Late summer we collect a 600 petition signatures in support of adding funding into the housing trust fund. The current developments have been mostly for people who are at 80% Ami, but the Housing Trust Fund is used for households who are at 50 and 30% of the AMI. Over the past 33 months you have heard homeless women inform you about the issues they're facing as temporary relief run out. But the Housing Trust Fund is used to prevent homelessness, funding the Housing Trust Fund is a way for all of you to provide at least a 30 year housing security and stability for Detroit residents. Thank you. Thank you. Our next caller please. The next caller is tuwana Petty.
Thank you. Detroit city
government has invested in an ordinate
amount of money into dystopian surveillance technologies were overrun with surveillance cameras,
surveillance drones, surveillance helicopters facial recognition surveillance trap traffic cameras, cell phone tracking, and ShotSpotter. But as you heard from residents today, they do not feel any safer than they felt 10s of millions of dollars ago, Detroiters are already living in a panopticon where we are constantly watched but rarely seen as full human beings. Enough is enough. Detroit city government has an opportunity to create a roadmap for the world on how to leverage American rescue plan funds to improve the quality of life of its residents. Please stop playing on the fears of Detroiters, mainly our elders and victims of crime. A vote to expand ShotSpotter is a slap in the face of justice and to the residents of Detroit who deserve to be safe and not tricked into further surveillance vote no on ShotSpotter Thank you. Thank you next caller please. The next caller is Broderick Wilkes. Roger Wilkes You may
proceed. Hello. You may proceed.
Apologies Can y'all hear me? Yes sir. All right. My name is Broderick works. I'm the president of the Crossroads Community
Association. We span from a mile to six mile over to Dequindre. I'm also a resident of district three. I am calling in to support the ShotSpotter initiative. I think this added layer of security is beneficial to the resident. So as the emergency unit, for obvious reasons that are a result of faster response times as well as potentially saving lives. So I urge city council to vote and support this ShotSpotter Thank you Thank you. Next caller please. The next caller is Annie mobian Hi, my name is Annie Bowlby and I am resident of East English Village and I'm calling today to urge you to vote no on ShotSpotter It is heartbreaking to hear the pain of Detroit errs who are desperate for safety. And for solutions in our communities. However, $8 million is too much money to spend on something with absolutely no conclusive evidence that it provides either safety
or solutions for
Detroiters. We need to invest in preventative community based solutions. Like many others have said when
ShotSpotter detects a shot DPD arrives on average. 26 minutes later, the shot has already been fired. It does do people stand in the same place for 26 minutes after firing a gun? I don't understand how this program is supposed to make us feel safer, or create safety in our communities. And so I am begging you to vote no on ShotSpotter
Thank you. Thank you.
Next caller please. The next caller
is janai Fraser
Hello, my name is Janae Frazier and
I am the Vice President of the people clean black club, and I'm also a resident in District Three.
I encourage the Council to approve the chakra spotter
proposal on behalf of our community. Thank you. Thank you. Our next caller please. The next caller is to hear up pad. Good morning. Can you hear me? We can you may proceed. Good morning council thank you for the opportunity. We need clan cup spotter once you enact this we're going to have a bunch of police run into the area looking for the shooter and you know what they do when they see black people that may have committed a crime. Our police department has gotten wider and wider under Mike Duggan. I have been asking for repairs for 12 years. And I still haven't home repairs and I am eligible for repairs. I'm asking that you'd invest that money and keeping seniors disabled people like myself in the city. No repairs mean that people will leave and people are desperate a 12 years for repairs and I still haven't gotten I'm asking
Mr. Duggan to resign because he has not done anything whereas we want to audit on on on our grants. Where's our money going? Where's
our repair grants going? We want to audit and counsel you have the power to audit these programs that
are not working for us. No.
Thank you. Our next caller please. The next caller is Renard Matuszewski. You may proceed All right Can I be right? We can't hear you. All right. I want to speak on behalf of myself as a resident of the city a long term resident. I live in District Six but I grew up in district one a lot are in Schoolcraft I understand them by this. I'm a guest spot shatter and I asked this council and my council person about this and the reason being is is not going to improve ambulance and police response time. And that really the result of all this gun violence that's happening is the neglect in the neighborhood. So now I echo the sentiment of one of the callers this is not going to improve infrastructure like lighting and piping. And sewers. It's not gonna hire more drivers. We're losing
drivers for our most important
transportation system that gets people
not only to work but to everywhere else. We can't rely on that. There are no mental health facilities and programs, libraries
not being invested in
no youth centers and activities. Or anything that will prevent crime and address the root causes of this. Vote this down. This is a waste of money that is being spent on military technology to hunt down humans. Thank you. Our next caller please. The next caller is Minister Eric Blanc. Jeremie counsel, we can answer yes, this is Mr. Eric blunt from Sacred Heart Catholic Church. Surveillance is not safety. This is a great way to describe why a no vote on ShotSpotter is needed. The number one proven factor in decreasing crime and violence is to see this statistically reduced poverty and to fully care for the mentally ill, especially among the youngest members of our society. One point I do agree with the Detroit Police Department on is that the vast majority of all homicides are committed between people that know each other. So healthy relationships
based on value
lives is the key. Knowing if a shot is fired, but the residents are afraid of the police response and afraid
of the criminal retaliation. Then the money is spent with very little game ShotSpotter data does not make a case which value in decreasing shots fired or increasing gun recovery. The city administration has promotional flyers this month uses only one year of data comparison
which is very little
thank you so much.
And next caller please. The next caller is crystal nickel. The nickel The floor is yours it's Nicole My name is Crystal. I'm from the East side on the east side in district five. I'm here to speak about ShotSpotter. Unfortunately, DPD is trying to use our rightful anger, grief and frustration to manipulate citizens and to acting against our own interests. Last week's display was nothing but political. Theater and an insult to anyone who has been impacted or lost someone to violence in this city to everyone DPD first owes an apology. But most importantly, all citizens safety plan that actually works instead of offering citizens something in times of distress and urgency. We all know we need something DPD and other city officials all want something that works ShotSpotter does not in fact, a response program cannot prevent violence. It's in the name
of response to violence,
recording violence as it is already occurring. Instead, citizens can use this millions to rescue citizens to
provide housing heating, health care, education and jobs. I implore you to vote
no
thank you so much. next caller please. next caller is phone number ending
in 202.
Hello, can you hear me? We can. Good morning. My name is Frank Hamer. I'm from District Two and I'm opposed to ShotSpotter. All the politicians including Mayor Duggan and President Biden want to score with the public by looking like they're fighting crime. You're using several COVID relief funds to promote a gimmick. That spider. They are playing Detroiters by pointing to the
tree tragic shooting deaths. That occurred recently on the west side.
Part of a coordinated media blitz, backed by the for profit corporation thought spotter and the
politicians that are on board. That spider is not a proven technology far from it. Detroit is seen as easy prey for a company which stands to make millions but COVID relief funds could be used to alleviate the poverty and despair of 1000s of teens throughout our city that's focused on what drives a 19 year old to randomly kill.
Morning May I be heard? Yes. Let me out the allergies now. The next caller is at McAfee. Hi, good morning. My name is Andre McAfee lifelong resident of Detroit. currently living in District Six. I am completely against this bad shatter myself growing up in the city. I've experienced violence like many other residents, but I've also experienced the lack of motivational things in the community to promote people to not go into those lanes of
life such as gun violence and ending
up in prison and awful things that happens
to people based off of their community. It takes a community to raise a child and
what happens to a child raised in a terrible community they turn out to be usually a terrible person and that is not going to be resolved by sending a police state into our community. To me that money should be spent more on rebuilding the community and
moving us into a positive direction not
a negative direction. We already have enough police brutality in the country. We don't need to add to it in my opinion, the city should move forward and not backward. Thank you. All right. Thank you the next caller is Robert Palacky. Right Mr.
Robert Palacky Are you there? All right. All right. If we can go to our next caller and come back, please.
The next caller is Christopher Gilmer Hill.
Hi, can I be heard?
Yes, we can hear you. Hi, my name is
Chris Gilmer Hill. I'm a lifelong resident of District Two, and I'm here to urge you to reject ShotSpotter as dangerous and ineffective technology. They claim 97% But we already know they cook the books
by assuming there was a gun unless the police
report cites the exact firecracker are backfiring car that broke their faulty tech, but we know the real figures, the independent data out of Chicago prove that they only found evidence of a gun 10.3% of the time. That's not just fraudulent statistical malpractice. It's a life or death issue that poses a real danger to the Twitter's people have already pointed out that if officers believe ShotSpotter is broken technology, they'll think there's a 97% chance of an active shooter on scene. The end result is cops showing up guns blazing and shooting children shooting whoever's on site as soon as they get there. That's something that actually happens. Look to the tragic case of to raise that's a real danger to voters. We live in a city with chronically underfunded housing and public transit. So wasting money on this broken technology is an insult to all disorders and I urge you to vote no, thank you. All right. Thank you the next caller is phone number ending in 044.
Yes, good morning Council and everyone.
I'm calling regarding Spotfire ShotSpotter.
I am important because it will aid our police officers
something unfortunately
not the callers I think that are here and online presently. We don't support our policemen anymore. Once upon a time if you heard a shot fired people will pick up the phone. They become desensitized, and no one calls anymore. No one speaks to our police officers like they did once before. So I think was sad spotters for people who are afraid to call. This will assist the police to find out where the SAT came from. I'm feeling sad in the early mornings are the night. I want to call the police. I don't know what street they're on. With that spotters, this would assist the police in knowing where the staff are coming from and they can go and investigate. Thank you right thank you. The next caller is Rukia Good morning. I am Rukia COVID, an organizer and
resident of
Detroit's East Side love lifelong Detroiter.
I was here last week and I'm here once again to emphasize you want to vote no on ShotSpotter.
I first want to bring to the attention of everyone
here that this is $7 billion in ARPA funds, which is intended for COVID and economic
relief. For the past few years DPB has had over $300 million allocated to their budget. You just handed over millions of our tax dollars to Dan Gilbert for another one that is clay projects. We've heard multiple times today of how this is nothing but a reactionary tactical tool. While urging you to vote no I also urged his body to think of how you can truly work for the citizens to are more proactive tools to provide safety so thinking about housing over assessed tax reimbursements, mental health resources, recreational facilities for youth services to our disabled in aging population, transit and infrastructure. Investing in these things is how we create safety now more police surveillance and government control. Thank you. Thank you the next caller is you matter. You matter, are you there?
Hello. Can you hear me? Yes we can. Good morning. Okay, thank you.
Number one. I've seen this movie before. Sure. Looks like the district managers have been really busy last week, going to the you know their peeps to drum up support and I do think it's sad to use people's misery and what happened to them to try and promote a technology where there's no solid proof that it works. This is a very inappropriate use of Ira dollars. I sent an email to everyone who got a link to the Office of Inspector General report or article about it from Chicago where they saw it's not useful. We need more mental health. You need to question these emergency demos really 17.1 to $46,000 for this small house, and the land bank just voted on a contract to try and take more people's properties.
The guy who couldn't get the sideline, that's because Dugan doesn't want you to get right thank you
the next caller is Ellie Koelsch.
Good morning. I'm not really going to say anything new. I want to echo the other folks who have already spoken in supporting you guys to say that you should not vote for ShotSpotter um I mean if the police don't have enough money now then how much will be enough? When will it ever be enough? Um, we need that money for housing transportation mental health. Services, childcare masks, testing vaccines mean anything else that would actually build people up? Thank you. Thank you. The next caller is Evan Villeneuve. Hello, my name is Evan resident of district one also a community worker calling to say absolutely vote no
on ShotSpotter. First of all,
we need an independent review and analysis whenever these policing technologies come into the city
to see what kind of effectiveness they really offer.
We've been talking about the same thing
for decades about gun
violence and crime in Detroit and across the nation. And we've only added prisons added police added surveillance technologies added more laws to criminalize people, and nothing seems to be changing. Here we are talking about the same things. The evidence about this technology in other cities simply states that it does not work is simply won't and so we need to look at that seriously and understand why other cities have cut the contracts for this. And lastly, it's very uncomfortable that a company who seemingly has a monopoly over this technology is going to be popping champagne bottles if you do vote yes on this because they are going to extract profit from crime Thank you. The next caller is Michael Cunningham Jr.
3134491143134449114
I made that number so you can remember it hotline numbers or you can contact me and listen to the two minutes three minutes actually on Facebook for subservience cutting in the reason why it's so Serbians could the powers that be have mutated kind nice and humble and to subservience? The other three I am humble, nice and kind that I am but subservience is what they want to force. They mutated that we're into that. So I'm regards to ShotSpotter I stay on mute on it. All I do want to say it in all of my observation over the years everybody didn't know me coming to city council meeting. Anything the police want, they always get nothing is booked. Nothing is brought back nothing. They get what they want. It's a waste of time and
energy to try to fight
it. And that's all I have to say about that.
Please continue to pray for my mom and myself and my vehicle troubles and you're good.
Thank you Mr. Cunningham. The next caller is William M. Davis. Good afternoon can be heard? Yes, you can, Mr. Davis.
Well, I'm a former police commissioner for district seven.
I like to say that spot shadow is a reactionary to you know this after the fact. I think that will be much better use of ARPA funds to make sure that you know that you have the city has people to knock on every single door in the city of Detroit and make people know that part of the Biden build back better. Is this internet credits available? The city The chair would be immensely better off if the city helped people to get those credits. People who currently don't have internet and people who are currently paying for Internet service today could get a credit for I think that would be a whole lot better and that would improve the city charter almost overnight. Also, it'd be a whole lot better if the city of Detroit was actually given the city Detroit retiree some money. I mean, dang, you know, after nine years when not one penny has been returned. But yet the mayor and city council have have countless pay raises and benefits increase but nothing for us. Thank you, Mr. Davis.
The next caller is Marita. Me, yes we can. Good morning. Good morning.
Hello. My name is Marita. I work in Detroit.
I'm here to urge council to vote against the expansion of ShotSpotter Detroit community members deserve true and genuine safety and protections. Let's get one thing clear surveillance isn't safety ShotSpotter is a lazy and faulty solution to gun crimes. ShotSpotter is not the answer. both academic and government sources like the University of Michigan and city of Chicago inspector general have cited that ShotSpotter is not effective. ShotSpotter lies about their accuracy tech companies like ShotSpotter don't care about the safety of our community members they care only about making sells and about lining the pockets of their shareholders. Don't be bullied into DPD slide that ShotSpotter is effective and prevents gun crimes to waste 7 million of us money when some Detroiters can afford to keep their water like two three running public transportation or housing is careless and response an irresponsible Detroiters deserve so much better. Thank you. All right, thank you. The next
caller is Sammy Lewis.
Hello. Can you hear me? Yes, we can.
We are aware that Biden had met with Dugan and I
must remind you that as council members that your job is to serve and represent the people $8 million should not be going to another racist and classic classes hyper surveillance tactic as it will not result in a safer community but will result in more false arrest and brutality. Other cities have defunded ShotSpotter as if it does not work the way it is marketed as this technology will not only pick up the sound of gunshots but it will also pick up fireworks in the midst of firing of cars and police do not need more resources or money and a $330 million police budget to do their job as they often fail to actually do it. We as the people need that $8 million for resources such as better infrastructure and affordable housing. As we suffer inflation and a pandemic. When people have the things they need crime goes down even the people who are in supportive ShotSpotter aren't actually saying that they want that they just want to feel safe and there is a difference. If the police can't keep us safe. Why are we giving them more toys and money by divesting from the police we can reinvest in our communities. Thank you.
All right, thank you. The next caller is Peggy
noble. Afternoon, council members.
My name is Becky noble,
President of College bar Community Association and also a member of district two. I'm a president. Yeah, we'll get to 89 and also, I'm in the eighth I live in eighth grade sent. I've been living here in my area for over 45 years. I'm 80 years young, and our community so far all these years is a pretty safe community. And the reason it's pretty safe, is because we organized over here. We have black clubs, community associations, and members that come to our meetings. We tried to inform them and encourage them, and I support shot spotters, and I hope Council do the same thing.
Thank you. All right. Thank you
the next caller is Yaya,
the healer. Hi, hello, this is actually Jai Keiser. This is I use this account for my business. But um as a new resident of Detroit in a victim of misplaced energy and expenses of the Detroit Police that has left me and my children homeless still housed in a hotel room and furthermore pushed out this court case that I'm in I totally disagree
with this spot shatter because I am a victim of being homeless made by the
police. And in a situation in which I shouldn't even have been allowed to be evicted nor should my home have been entered into.
So giving the police more money and not solving the issues of the people is the problem. The issue is the Spirit of Detroit is taken and destroyed. The kids have no hope so they're going to violence. The root of the issue is healing the hope within the city and the people of this city and as a person who has been stripped of everything except for her good name.
I don't think that you should support this and I do think that you should get housing especially for myself.
Right Thank you. The next caller is Malik Shabazz.
Can you hear me? Yes, we can. Good morning. Okay. Thank you. Good morning grant rise and giving honor to God. My view on the ShotSpotter is that by reacting to the shots fired it becomes preventative because if the police can get that expeditiously. They can get to shooters and thus they will not be able to shoot any more. Many of us have become desensitized and still
others have been afraid to call the police ShotSpotter will take care of that
by helping the police to more expeditiously get to the scene where the shots are
fired. And if we want more money spent on the front side of life, we can have both we can fund ShotSpotter and we can fund wraparound services on the front side. Thank you very much counsel. Thank you the next caller is Tammy Stanko. Good morning Council members and everybody. I am opposed to ShotSpotter. I trust that counsel has done you know simple google search like I have done and found lots of evidence that suggests that it's ShotSpotter is not effective technology in Chicago. They determined over 88% of the calls from Sharp ShotSpotter alerts found no evidence of gun related incidents. Johns Hopkins University did a long term study 17 year study of 68 large metropolitan counties found no significant impact on firearm related homicides or arrest outcomes. I think this money would be much better spent
supporting people. And so for that reason,
I urge you to vote no thank you. All right. Thank you.
The next caller is phone number ending in 399. Can you hear me now? Yes, we can. This is Frank Aldrich and I represent the East autodrive block club Association in District Three. And there's been a lot of testimony pros and cons with regards to ShotSpotter. And its effectiveness. Its value, you know and so forth. But we are in strong agreement in strong supporter of the city council approving it. And I won't repeat a lot of all the justification for that that's already been mentioned. But a few things do kind of stand out and one of them is not so much a reactionary type of technology also becomes a deterrent. You know, because once the evidence shows that in areas where this has been deployed, that there's been a constant reduction
in the number of shootings. You know, it just goes down and it continues to trend downward. But in addition to that,
you not only had to stop that there's been incidents where people have been, you know, receive it
or respond to the injuries that that occurred as a result of a shooting that might not have happened otherwise. So it gives law enforcement an advantage. Right, thank you. The next caller is Alex. Hi, oh, thank you for the time to hear us out. So I am Alex. I'm a resident of Southwest Detroit. So I'm very conscious of the situations that a tpds brought up to drum up fear. Just the other week there was a shooting right behind my house, outside calling on my daughter, however ShotSpotter would not have hadn't made me feel safe. Because I was within the radius of of the pinpointing of ShotSpotter which has a diameter of 50 feet. So
I was worried that they will
respond and start investigating and make me a potential suspect and I will not be the first brown
man misidentified in a shooting investigation. Prompted by ShotSpotter
data, the data that they've already
produced after to remind you to
trial periods that they beg for
has proven inconclusive.
Murders in the prisons have actually gone up over the past 17 months. If people don't call the police. That's an issue for the police to solve
and they should not be using our money taken away our privacy rights to do the work for them. All right, thank you.
The next caller is
a Johnson Good morning. Can
you hear me?
Yes we can. Good morning.
This is Miss Johnson and I am a Detroit resident and professional researcher. Thank you for the opportunity to speak today.
ShotSpotter has not been shown to have a real impact. There's no real
connection between this tech and
solving crimes. Police investigative work solves crimes. And the police militia at city council believe that ShotSpotter alerts will hasten police response times they have to
question
the root cause of why people aren't calling 911. So with caution against ineffective improving policing policies ShotSpotter is but a tool and that the company continues to be non transparent and will not allow for an independent review of the data. I've sent the information to city council I would like a response Thank you. The next caller is seven Hello, can you hear me? Yes we can. Good morning. Good morning Council and good morning to everyone that came today. I'm a business on our scan bar seven on liver noise and we are definitely
have had our share of shootings. I
mean, we just experienced a 19 year old shooter. There was another
there has been a murder on our blog. There's been a lot I'm in favor of the ShotSpotter but there's also a catch 22 there I'm in favor of it. But should we really be using funds intended for COVID for
relief for both?
I think that there needs to be like a happy medium because there are so many other
needs for mental illness, health and home care and things like that. So we need to be very transparent about what it does and maybe even offer doing this on a trial run to see if the data concludes. You know if they if it warrants spending the entire amount or where we can get those funds from and if they can be used other places they shouldn't be alright, thank you. The next caller is calling user two. Alright, alright, if we can go to our next caller and come back please.
Okay, the next caller
is phone number ending in 771.
All right, all right. We can try our next caller and come back to this caller as well. Okay, the next caller is James Jackson. This Good morning. My name is James Jackrabbit Jackson. I'm chairman of the Jeff Chalmers citizen District Council. I'm a retired Detroit police officer from the game squad and I do the neighborhood patrol over in Jeff Chalmers area code the zip code is 482151 of the lowest crime areas in the city of Detroit. I do support ShotSpotter I think it would be a good thing to complement all of the cameras and things that we've put up to help fight crime we need your support on this. Councilman Johnson, we need your support on this one here. Thank you so much. All right. Thank you the next caller is Annie
O'Byrne.
Good morning thank you to the council.
I want to quickly point out to everyone that all policing is
reactionary.
And I while I am in favor of the technology, I do not necessarily have any information about the contract about future obligations about preventing the cost of response going up. I do you do sound design in theater. I understand sound technology extremely well. I'm not sure that it wouldn't be cheaper to develop our own and have contractual obligations about manipulating the sound and creating policy. Where the you know, any change of the technology, say from helicopter to gunshot would automatically be disclosure to opposing counsel. There's lots and lots of things that have to be fixed and you need to follow the ordinance directions and while this right, thank you. The next caller is Dawood Walid Hello, my name is Imam Dawood Walid, I'm the executive director of the Council on American Islamic Relations, Michigan chapter also a homeowner. in district one. I've come here to you to voice my opposition to ShotSpotter. We as people who live in Detroit and do business in Detroit as
well as worship, we are all concerned about
gun violence at the same time. We need to center
facts over feelings. The facts are that ShotSpotter there is no empirical data
that gives a research report the state that this will deter crime not at all.
As a matter of fact, we have the counter than the city of Chicago in them using shots spotter that has led to 88.7 False incidences of police coming to the scene and responding to things such as firecrackers
backfiring of cars and other sorts of sounds,
as well as we need to look at this from the aspect of the ordinance passed last year by the city of Detroit regarding surveillance,
so I say vote no. The next caller is Kim Shira Roby. Good morning. I want to encourage everyone, all the console people as I've already encouraged
my council person in district seven for a door Hall not to vote for ShotSpotter
and to ask the council to deeply consider all the reasons that were given not to have this technology. People are not safe because of tools like ShotSpotter people are safe because we look out for one another. We all in Detroit
we had and still many
of us still do have the ability
and the practice to look out for our neighbors. So I'm encouraging again, all the council people
to vote against shot spiders and encouraging all the listeners to look out for each other and care for each other. All right, thank you. The next caller is Denise Lyles.
To talk about this, my name is Denise Ryles I'm in Laos we cannot hear you. Oh, can you hear me now? Um, it's pretty low. Oh, there we go. Okay, my name is Denise Lyles. I'm in district five.
The Lynwood Dexter community was the Lawrence Burlingame Collinwood block for the community. I speak for our community to say we are in favor of ShotSpotter. Why yes,
it's not the solution, but it's the tool in the arsenal for us to stop some of this crime. People would not be so apt to keep shooting if they knew there was technology around to help reduce that. I'm not going to tell you guys up I just want to say thank you for listening to us. And yes, we are in agreement. All right. Thank you Miss Lyles. The the next caller is phone number ending in 905.
Good morning.
This is Virginia car community. I'm calling in a reference for the line item 22.4 Concerning the transfer of jurisdiction for planning and development, to the Department of Parks and Recreation started parcels 2014 West Philadelphia 15 properties along with other properties that include Euclid Street and Rosa Parks, my inquiry is this
the property that surrounded
Joseph Walker William center
or the parking lot, even though stated and is due to the transfer to parks and recreation was
that secure of the Justin Walker Williams center of being able to stay under city control and ownership All right. Thank you. The next caller is ash
Good morning. Again, is breaking up Daniels and I'm a lifelong member of English village and a lead organizer of Michigan liberations care in that criminalization campaign. And I'm here to ask you to vote no on ShotSpotter. According to the MacArthur Justice Center, studies show that 88% of the US ShotSpotter did not result in police recording any kind
of incident involving a gun. Less than 1% actually lead to a crime
and an arrest. We do not need any more money on the police department. police do not prevent crime. They show up after the fact. police do not keep us safe. We do we need to
invest in Detroiters. We need to invest in housing, mental health resources education, safe consumption sites board employ food employment, trauma informed cares and things that actually prevent crime. ShotSpotter will do nothing but add to the death toll Trigger Happy police coming to the same with no idea of home or what they're looking for. So please, I urge you to say no. All right. Thank you
the next caller is call in user two.
Hello, yes. Good morning.
Can you hear me? Yes, we can.
Good afternoon.
Thank you for doing a wonderful job. Mary ship feel and Mary waters.
I love you guys both for doing the best that you can.
I'm asking that you consider making a law in
Detroit for landlords when they allow their properties
to be dilapidated with trash inside outside and not making repairs that they'd be fined several 1000s of dollars I've been contacting your office, Mary Sheffield and Mary waters, withdrawal dogs violating Michigan dog law section 615 Section four and nothing has been being done I have to deal with rudeness coming from Callaway is office there are halls office and but Ombudsman's office all of which I can prove and demonstrate. Thank you and we will continue to work with you on on those issues. Thank you for calling in the next caller is phone number ending in 771. Hello, yes ma'am. Good afternoon.
Good afternoon,
Honorable President and council members.
My name is Betty a Barna and president of DeSoto Ellsworth black Association, where active black cloth and
my members we support ShotSpotter we are in support of ShotSpotter because it is a tool that the police can use to determine where the shots are coming from in the neighborhood. As a resident I have lived in my home over 50 years I've been in the same neighborhood born and raised in the city of Detroit. If I call when I hear shots, I can't tell the operator where the shots are coming from. I again say that we support that spotters. The majority of my members have lived in their homes for 30 plus years with seniors. We have health challenges. We want it to be safe and we support police. Were part of the tent precinct district seven Please exercise our right
and support spot shots. Thank you
right thank you the
next caller is Rawan Shahab. Yes, good morning everyone.
I'm here from the district seven was born and raised here and work in the district seven area. I am all for the ShotSpotter to make our world a better place. Thank you.
Great thank you. The next caller is Michelle Good afternoon. Michelle. Are you with us?
I am sorry. I am in
support of ShotSpotter.
I am a district for resident and have been a lifelong disorder. It is definitely
important to equip police with the tools necessary to help hopefully, hopefully, you know make our communities safer. That's all Thank you. All right, thank you.
The next caller is Stacy Varner. Hi, my name is Stacy Varner. I am a resident in district two. I live very close to Palmer Park and often hear noises that to my untrained ear sound like gunshot but in fact, I'm not clear if in fact they are.
I believe
it is. Your duty as our elected council to evaluate the data, independent data and if in fact the ShotSpotter program does in fact have the ability to aid our police officers in identifying gunshots and locate the area in which the shots were fired. Then I am in support of this program. Thank you. Alright, thank you. The next caller is Martius by the point to Hello madam counsel. Can you hear me okay? Yes, we can. Okay, thank you so much. Thank you for this opportunity. My name is Marcia spy V. I am a resident in District Three. As you've heard many, many residents from District Three as we our numbers are very high. On the percentage of crimes and violence
that takes place in our specific district. As such, I am here just to ask that you do your due diligence counsel, know what the reports are saying? Know what the ACLU is saying. Know what the other legal think tanks are saying with respect to um unfair policing, disproportionate amount of prosecutions. I recognize that you cannot satisfy all citizens and organizations however, you can make a very fully informed, informed decision. And what you can do further is address the issues that those who oppose it are having with respect to criminalization work with the Detroit Justice Center, work with other nonprofits to make sure that we're doing the same. Thank you. I apologize. The next caller is
Coniah Jones Sims. Hi, good morning, everyone. My name is Coniah. I'm the co founder of the movements that divides Detroit. I also live in district two, not on businesses in district two on the Finkle business district, and I am against a ShotSpotter. I think that's just a reaction to crime
or reaction to
violence. And what we need to do is to prevent it. I think we need to invest that $7 million into our people and into our community. We need to be boots on the ground and we need to have relationship with the community
not just challenging everyone just
to step up. It didn't we can do this. We don't have to depend on that. ShotSpotter if everyone pick up the phone, call me see something going on. When you see a crime, quit
recording and put it on Facebook.
We just need to step up. Like our organization just gave away 400 gun locks. We're about to do it again for Halloween. And this is a very, very, very big success. But we all need to step up. We can't depend on that. We need to do it ourselves. Thank you. All right. Thank you. The next caller is Carmela McIntyre, or MC tire. Good morning. I am back with another caller calling in behalf of my husband Dr. Robert MC tire president of the Kerry rocky hill, black club, and we are actually in support of
the ShotSpotter I don't want to feel safe and be able to ride my motorcycle. And doing this will actually decrease the likelihood of the guns being in our area. We are in District Three precinct loving.
I don't want my husband to have to ride behind me in the car
so that I can feel safe throughout my motorcycle.
I Liberian on at the Wilder branch sitting in her car waiting for others to come so that she can open the door. Get a gun knocked on her window.
Why someone's trying to rob her she luckily was able to get away. This makes no sense. We should feel safe. And if the ShotSpotter is going to determine
the next caller is Robert Showbie. Good morning. I'm against ShotSpotter if you guys can hear me and I just want to make a couple of quick suggestions. One is is let's bring back the residency law. You have much better community policing when the police live in the community as opposed to another community. And let's let's take this money, find money to figure out a way to get rid of this to bring the residency law back and incentives to bring our policemen firemen and all those people back to our communities.
And the next thing is is Take this money and do
something for children and old people. When you stabilize and take care of the children. You take care of the old people It says a whole lot about what kind of city you're trying to have and it also shows other people the importance of them, because this I'm not
going to talk anything against anybody
personally but these work in these working age people seem to be only interested in themselves. And we need to come back to the reality of things. Reality is you're not going to have a better community or any of this stuff. If you keep investing in things that D invest in the city. We're taking our resources and sending them out. All right, thank you. The next caller is Robert Polaski. Good afternoon, counsel. Can I be heard? Yes. You can. Thank you. Sorry about that had some technical difficulties. Good morning, everyone. Robert Palacky. And I represent transportation routers united and nonprofit in Detroit have 20 years of advocacy focusing on regional transportation. I am not a Detroit resident. I'm actually a resident of South Gate calling into the 100 year university of DDOT. had the pleasure to attend the anniversary this Saturday with all the drivers and some of DDOT staff. I just want to thank Council for the amount of support that we put into DDOT over the years and there's many years to come. The funding more funding for our drivers to come to data. For example, Trenton Cole, you know, a driver that's been wanting to come back to data and I personally would like to endorse that. Because I had the pleasure of speaking with him. And he's very passionate about the city. And I
personally would like to say thank you to everyone at DDOT you're the backbone of this city. You are the backbone of our jobs and we keep the city moving. I'd like to thank our public members, especially our partners over Detroit people's platform regarding
the next caller is cookie Cornerstone village community. Hello, my name is Cody from conditional Village and I am in support of the Spats shad spattered technology. I live in District Four precinct five and I am in favor of it. Any tool that will help the overworked and underpaid police officers do their jobs even better. I also believe that it will encourage residents to call 911 Knowing that ShotSpotter the ShotSpotter we'll be able to locate the area of the gunshots. I also am in favor in promote, feel good about the ceasefire program. And hopefully some of these firms could go toward that tech group. Thank you so much. All right. Thank you. And the last caller that raised their hand before you had cut off public comment is Peggy noble.
Alright, I think already you have the opportunity to speak. I believe you're right. Then everyone else who has their hand currently raised raised it after you had called for the cut off for public comment. Okay. All right. Thank you, Ari. All right. And thank you to everyone who took the time to come down and join us virtually and I know there's a lot of people who are here in one line. So if there's no objections from my colleagues, we can go straight to those contracts which are line items 17.1 and line item 17.2. There are no objections. And Mr. Clark, if you would like to read those. Sure. 17.1 is contract number 60043341 2%. ARPA funding to provide the expansion of subscription based gunshot detection location and forensic forensic analysis services contract is ShotSpotter Inc. total contract amount is $7 million. And this contract is for the police department. The four 17.2 is contract number 6003161 66% For forfeiture 33% city funding amendment number one to provide an extension of time only for the continuation of the gunshot detection system and to add Form Letter of Credit contract is ShotSpotter Inc, total contract amount $1,500,000. In this contract is for the police department is well. Councilmember Santiago Romero two resolutions, Lanham, 17.1 and 17.2. Councilmember Santiago Ramiro can move for discussion. Yes, Madam president I motion to discuss item 17.1 and 17.2. All right, thank you. So I know there's probably a lot of comment around this. Before we begin I would like to bring over Gil Fulton from the administration. My office did submit a letter and I know that there were three additional council members that did sign off on the letter to explore because there's been a lot of conversation around the use of ARPA funding being used for this particular contract. And so we did submit a letter to the administration to see if the department was willing to explore using existing funding within DPD to fund this particular contract. And so the schools and if you can just speak to you are receiving the letter and when the administration and where the administration stands as of today, in response to that particular letter. Absolutely. Good afternoon to this honorable body Gil Fulton on the behalf of the administration. Yes, we are in receipt of the memo forwarded today. And we are currently investigating other options for this. We're still in the reviewing phase. So we'll be in contact with everyone very, very soon regarding this matter. Thank you. All right. And so just to be clear, there's nothing that can be done today, as relates to possibly changing the source of funding from ARPA to the existing Police Department's budget. I believe it will be unlikely, however, if you all would allow us to postpone this matter for one additional week, then we wouldn't be able to have more conversations around this. Okay. All right. And so we can open up the floor to colleagues. I just wanted to raise that as one
of the issues that I know
has come from community I've received emails about is that ARPA funding was intended for the economic hardships of COVID. And just one of the issues was trying to figure out if there is a way that DPDK use their existing
budget to possibly fund this particular contract, and so I wanted the department to have the
opportunity to at least explore that option. I know Mr. Quarterly, you are on if you briefly want to give us the numbers that you were able to find based on our conversations that we had regarding the amount of money that may be available within DP DS current budget. Thank you Madam President.
Good afternoon city council.
So I look at the average salary in a police department. That's about 998 $1,000 and the average amount of vacancies in police over the last 12 months is 352 vacancies. So when you multiply that 1000 by 352 vacancies on average that's about $34.5 million in salary savings and police department. Then when you look at their overtime deficits, the highest been in 2022. So this is kind of use that as a conservative measure. The overtime deficit
in 2022.
And police department
was $16.1 million. So when you take the $34.5 million in salary savings minus the overtime deficit of 16.1, it appears there's about $18 million in the police department's budget that could be used for something else. Thank you. All right. Thank you, Mr. Coralie. All right. So um, there has been a request from the administration. We can open it up now. If there's comments or questions from colleagues and I can start with members Santiago mirando. This was in your committee. Do you have any comments or? Yes, well, thank you, Madam President. For the request of the administration, I do not support postponing this votes. I think that if they are interested in finding other funding sources, they can do so. And they can come back to us with a different contract today. I would much rather us vote this down and ensure that we save a point $5 million of ARPA funding and begin to look for solutions that residents are desperately asking for. So that's my quick comments regarding postponing this votes. I would like to know where the rest of my colleagues stands, and would much rather have this voted down today. To make sure that we save the money and then allow the administration time to come back with a different contract. All right, thank you Member Santiago Ramiro and I cannot make a motion myself. So we'll have to come from the body here.
And just also want to mention that contract line item 17.2. Is not using ARPA funding.
This is 66% forfeiture funding and 33% city funding. And so the request is only for 7 million in ARPA funding and that is for the first contract which is for the expansion of shot spotters. Thank you, Madam President.
Yes, you are correct. No problem. I just want to make sure people are clear.
Any additional comments or questions from my colleagues? Yes, President Pro Tem etait. Thank you, Madam President. So, you know, this has been a very challenging vote for us to meet or at least for me, I'll just say from as you saw and heard here, we got a number of folks who live in district one who came in support a number of them who have been in opposition, and this is not the first time that I've been hearing that, you know, pretty connected to the community and we hear that on a regular basis. Those who are in support,
those who are not, there are some a group of folks in the district and throughout the city. We have discussed the fact that, as mentioned in your letter, Madam President, they would be more willing to support the possibility of expanding and allowing for additional data to be collected to see if this is a long term tool for the city of Detroit. If it were not for ARPA funding, if there was additional if there's general funds that were used, as opposed to ARPA funding that was designed to help our community recover from the pandemic they would be more willing to have the conversation and be more so supportive of again, expanding to determine if this is a long term tool that we would be able to use. I'm from the mindset. I have to listen to my constituents and try to identify which decision that we are opposed to make here that has the maximum amount of support for the community. I don't believe in this false narrative that it has to be a situation where we support either social services or policing tools as dimension we can do and I believe we have to do both. While we are helping, folks. I mean, we have poured ARPA dollars and we'll continue to do so earmark them for a number of social services where they talk about training, job training, job readiness, we look at housing efforts. We're utilizing dollars there. Is there a need for more Absolutely. But on the other side, we also have to look at the fact that we are in a very challenging situation as it relates to public safety. And public safety is addressing those root causes as well as addressing the current dangerous situation that many unfortunately have placed the residents in the city of Detroit. And so this is not to say that we have to have a false narrative of one or the other. I believe that in fact that we have to do both and I will say this on the front end, I asked a number of questions from the police department in the administration. About ShotSpotter. I saw that on the front end. I told him several times you got to stop seeing this as a preventative tool because I don't see the prevention aspect of it. But what I do see is how it is being used for investigations afterwards. That cannot be just thrown out as if it doesn't matter. Especially when you talk to a victim's families who are pleading for anybody in somebody to provide information that will assist them with the closure of their loved ones case. I cannot turn a deaf ear to that at all. So I will be in support of line item 17.2 because it does not utilize ARPA funding in his $7 million in the event that we are able to get to that conclusion where the administration is provided will potentially provide us with a different funding source outside of ARPA, that $7 million would then be allowed to then at that point B reallocated towards those social services that many of us want to see. So I think, certainly not a win win for everybody. But to me, it makes the best out of a very challenging situation, especially in the city, where we have so many different opinions about this. Technology as we as individuals, our lives we see technology being coming more and more part of and we have to make sure that we safeguard our own protection and our own rights. We have to as government do the same thing with our residents and what I'm sad that it's not mentioned but I know that the police department it worked with a number of activists within the city of Detroit number of community folks that have worked to strengthen a number of the civil liberty challenges that we've seen in the current policy. So I will let that let them give them an opportunity to talk about that. But it's again, unfortunate that they're not adding all of the Commerce all of the elements to the conversation that we need to be discussing right now today. So I will be in support of line item 17.2 Because it again, will allow us to expand to determine if this is a longer excuse me, this particular item will allow us to determine if this is a long term tool for us in the city of Detroit. But I'm convinced that it definitely does assist with investigations prevention. That's another question but investigations. I am unconvinced that it in now leads us to further invest the time and effort to determine if this is a long term solution for the city of Detroit. Thank you, Madam President. Thank you. Member Callaway. Yeah, point of clarification on Madam Chair. Are we talking about 17.2 Because I thought we were originally talking about 17.1 Because Gabby, my colleague over there had the four and she was discussing 17 point more or we combined the conversations on both. So the discussion the motion was made for discussion on both of the Lombok so both can be discussed at this time. Okay, so I am a no on line item 17.2 With we're taking the vote or not. I am a no on 17 point well, no one and I'm a no on using any dollars to pay for ShotSpotter. It does not prevent the murders that have been occurring in the city for decades. We are either in the number one spot and Cleveland is number number two or we are in the number two spot and Cleveland is number one. We have a serious problem with crime fighting in this city. And ShotSpotter is not a cure at all. And we have frightened citizens. We have frightened our senior citizens to believe to make them believe that this is going to address the crime problem in the city. It will not and we can have these discussions. infinitum. It does not solve the crime in this city and other cities have have attested to that. So I am a no vote not taking the vote now when we do take the vote Madam Chair and to my colleagues on ShotSpotter. Whether we fund it with ARPA, or whether we fund it with general funding, I'm a no vote and I'm also a no vote on postponing the vote. Thank you Madam Chair. Thank you member Callaway member Benson. Thank you, Madam President. So we serve District residents the ninth precinct. We've been working with ShotSpotter since the year 2015. We've been working with ShotSpotter when it was a pilot program that was funded through grants and not out of the general fund nor out of any federal dollars for arpa. So we've worked with the advocates with our block clubs, as well as DPD to ensure that ShotSpotter data was coupled with wraparound services, which is what I've demanded we have today. And so I've received in writing commitments as well as funding commitments in writing that we will see funding for continuation of those wraparound services which we developed and deployed in coordination with our activist ceasefire. Minister Malik Shabazz, many of our block clubs who would go door to door after ShotSpotter identified shootings within our neighborhoods, to make sure that residents got more than just police officers and uniforms. Coming to clean up a crime scene. They had wraparound services, they were provided with resources and information, which is how this type of tool should be used, we believe and believe to be used successfully. And so I have will continue to support ShotSpotter as a tool to be used to number one, reduce crime. As you know, there is a greater set of eyes you are less likely to to engage in crime, it's called hardening of a target. People will not go towards hard targets they will go towards soft targets. But the commitment to the wraparound services is also critical. Of how we coupled this tool with support for our residents to make sure that they have the resources that are necessary. Thank you. Thank you. Member Benson. Member Doha. Thank you Madam President. And good morning, or almost afternoon now to everyone. This is an issue obviously that we've been talking about for the past few months. I've spoken with residents in district seven many of them have called today in support of it. There are a few that caught in opposition of it. As as we know it which has been the case with whether I was Project Green Light or or any other tool relative to a level of surveillance quote unquote. But what I will say is the thing that sticks with me as a leader is and as many of my colleagues have probably experienced this is when I hear about a shooting in my district. I got to make a call to someone's mother or someone's wife or someone's father or grandmother. When I got to go to a greater Grace Church, forest funeral for someone that I knew who served officer Lauren course and I got to talk to his wife, young wife by the way of why he's no longer here. I'm not under any impression that ShotSpotter would have stopped there. However, would have gave him a better idea when he pulled up where the shooter was actually coming from based off of the technology. Absolutely. And I'm not under any impression that this will totally reduce the rates of crime. I don't think that it is a preventative measure. But what I think is, is that is a tool. And when we talk about the city of Detroit, and I live in district seven, two blocks you know, from Dexter Avenue. I grew up there. Something has to be done to curb not just the crime but just behavior. We have been in a city now where we think that as somebody is shooting a gun is it we're desensitized to. We think that is a normal thing. Our kids think that is a normal thing. People are relieved when they only hear that is a pistol instead of an AK. It shouldn't be a pistol shot at all because they don't experience some of the same things in Southfield. They don't experience some of the same things. And war and Troy, where folks are dis, discharging pistols shooting that guns just in the air, whether it's to hurt somebody or not. That behavior is not normal. And so I don't think it's the end all be all to stop crime. I really don't. But I think that it is an important tool that we utilize. Folks say well, you know what, it only got a little bit over 300 guns off the street. What else 300 guns could have had three murders attached to them each and as 900 people hypothetically speaking. And so, when we talk about keeping our residents safe, and it's not just about it's not just about catching folks, it's about changing that mind, state and behavior and that's why I've been a supporter that when I talk to residents, these are senior citizens are living in fear. But not just senior citizens, the rest of our residents. You know, I've worked with some of the folks that have come and spoke to us today. They're activists, they're from the streets and some of them are saying that this is technology use there are too many guns on the streets. So yes, I am support and support a wraparound services. I don't want anyone to think that I don't I am. I do want to attack the root causes as well in conjunction but when we talk about funding as well, let's find out okay, we want to find alternatives to funding let's do that. But I may not necessarily want that brought from 352 vacancies went off. Other citizens said they want more officers and increase police presence too. So I think when we talk about funding, I think we've got to be responsible, but we got to provide our officers with the tools to be able to do their jobs correctly and bring some sense a call to our neighborhoods, even if it takes 300 guns off the street. And so, you know, Madam President, I am willing to find alternatives for this. Address the you know, the deep rooted issues as well. But I don't think that we just throw this away knowing that this is something that can help save lives were changed behavior, and then gather more data on it. And so, Madam President, you know, again, where I stand on it, I would be willing to postpone it and bring it back. So we can't find something equitable that folks can get behind. But, you know, I don't want to make any mistake that this is going to go away. And that even if you voted down, you know, what's the alternative? That's the question. Thank you, Madam President. Member Johnson. Thank you, Madam President. As the other city council member who represents the ninth precinct, I cannot just walk away from the ninth precinct and residents who came out who spoke about ShotSpotter and the impact that has had on their communities. I have had so many community leaders, so many residents throughout the district, to actually ask for me to support ShotSpotter even though is not being expanded into their precinct. That is actually quite surprising to me. I've had some reservations about that because it is not expanding into their area. I often wonder whether or not we're just going to displace crime. And I've, I've asked the question about it being mobile technology so that we move it as crime is shifting. Everyone who's ever heard me talk I talked about growing up in the city of Detroit, in an impoverished community in an impoverished household and recognizing the level of violence that we have in our communities and we all see it in the summer time we see every media story every other one talks about crime in our community. Remember, Callaway said, we're either number one or number two throughout the United States, as being the most crime ridden city, or the second most the question is, what do we do about it? We know that there are root causes of poverty and of crime. How are we addressing that? That was one of my questions to Chief white because I have been an individual who has experienced having access to opportunity. While my younger siblings have not benefited from having access to opportunity. My youngest sister lives in the ninth precinct in the red zone in this area where ShotSpotter is currently active. And I talked to her regularly about hearing gunshots and we know that safety is a perception. If you feel safe, you are safe. So the question is how do we improve public safety? How do we encourage our residents to connect with one another? So that we're helping one another out? How do we provide support to the police department for them to be able to do their job recognizing that we've had so many police officers leave the department and not only that, we also have few people that are joining the police academy. So what do we do with that? I'd like to ask the community when we come out in opposition of something to give me an alternative to give me other ideas on ways that we improve crime. We know that we need to address housing, skilled trades programming, and having access to training facilities. mental health support, community based partnerships. I want to ask everyone who came out today to also make sure that when you have conversations with your neighbors, with your friends with other Detroiters that we promote positive things that are happening in the city of Detroit, that we promote the Skills for Life program that we promote the Learn to ARM Program that we promote all of the programs that are being considered that we are working through to improve the lives of Detroiters because I'm sure we all want to do that very thing. The question is always how, how do we do it? And so as it relates to 17.2 I cannot shy away from my residence and say that your quality of life and your daily experiences don't matter to me because they do. I remember before I got here, I remember sitting down with an elected official, who proceeded to tell me how it was best to live in my community, but they had never slept there. I can't do that very thing. And so I am supportive of 17.2 I am still considering 17.1. I will share that with everybody. And so over this next week, I hope to have some additional conversations with other elected officials and other cities and with residents in District Four, to provide me with alternatives as we make this vote next week. Thank you Madam President. Thank you member Johnson. Member waters. Thank you, Madam President. I gotta tell you, thank you all know that I get just a bit worked up sometimes. This this is this is an emotional time for me because I heard the cry from people on both sides of this issue. I heard it from Thank you. I wish I had that magic one. Also know that we cannot ignore the fact that there's no data that proves that ShotSpotter actually works. If we take a look at Chicago, for example, like in Chicago. I mean, they got rid of it. How often do you hear a whole lot of gunshots that are being fired in Chicago? Oh my God. They light up that city all the time. They get rid of it because it wasn't working for them. I mean, he's What about five hours away from here? You know, so, but we have to really address the breeding grounds for violence. We know what they are poverty, housing, mental illness, structural racism, all of those things, just to name a few. You know, when they first that green light, I was really excited about it. Some of the senior citizens approached me and they said Miss waters help us get green light for our buildings. Because there's you know, so much crime, you know, people coming in with drugs, people coming in with this and I mean, just a whole lot of things that are happening. So I went to work because I wanted to help them get something that they felt will help them. Help them get green night. Crime is still running rampant and many of the senior citizens are buildings. And I gotta tell you, you can pull up to a gas station right now. People are comfortable with getting out of their cars and shooting somebody at a gas station. Even with green lights here, get to write on camera. They don't even care. You think they don't care about give a damn about ShotSpotter they won't. They won't care about it. We've got to do something different. I don't know what all the answers that you are. But I do know that we've started something when we started addressing the housing issues. We get to help people in the city. literacy issues, all kinds of things. That are happening here in this city. So I've asked, show me some data please what is working? Don't just be running around putting fear into people. You've got fog scared to death. In this city. They believe that spot shadow it's gonna keep them safe. Lord knows it's not gonna happen. When people want to shoot or kill, they're gonna do that. And they most of them don't care about getting calm. Stop scaring off people. Don't do it. Senior citizens have enough stress in their lives already. They think that if you put ShotSpotter in their neighborhoods, it's gonna say them hurt. One lady says you want to feel free to ride her bike or have a husband? Not not hey, it won't matter if somebody wants to shoot. Education, poverty, housing, all those kinds of things. And I support my police officers 100% I do. Big shout out to those over the 12 precinct. You know, I know we are grasping for things we are grasping for help. We want to solve things. I don't want people to act out of fear. You make bad decisions out of fear. And when you do that, then you become disappointed. So what happens when ShotSpotter doesn't work? In this city as it hasn't in a lot of other cities. Okay, so it has to work in another city. What are we going to be doing so magical that's going to make it work here? And there's one other thing we have to consider? false arrest. I sit on a committee every Wednesday. lawsuit after lawsuit I'm tired of those to falsely incarcerating people ShotSpotter can lead to that green light has we have got it. You know my colleagues and I we know that we have a lot of work to do. And I'm not going to judge my colleagues one way or another in terms of how what they decide is the best thing to do. I'm trying to figure out how to get there. I can't see it. I can't see it and I don't want to give my people false hope. I just don't want to do that. So it will vote today. I'm a no I'm a no one on both of those fat shatters. I'm a no. on postponing it. People continue to become so so fearful. And I just want to give everybody a hug. You've got fear on one side of the gunshots. You have fear of surveillance on the other side. And we know that it happens in the black communities, right. Pete they surveil us all the time in the black communities. We know that. So that is a concern. Folks that are afraid of that I understand and do but I want all of Detroiters to know that we're going to keep working hard every day. Every day. I sit and I think what is it that we can do better? What is it that we can do different to uplift our people? That's what I need to be able to do. People are hurting thank you so much. Member waters member Callaway. Yes, thank you Madam Chair. And to say that because I do not support ShotSpotter it's not to say that I don't want to feel safe is not to say that I support gun violence because I say no to ShotSpotter I say no to ShotSpotter because it will not prevent a murder in your neighborhood. It would not have prevented the recent murders and my community in district two on August the 28th After I had had a prayer vigil on August 27. That young man had mental issues and the folks on that block knew it and had not reported him his art no it ShotSpotter would not have prevented that from happening. So when I say I do not show support ShotSpotter does not say I'm not saying that I support crime in the city. Because I don't and we are number two on the list for 2022 St. Louis is number one. Cleveland has dropped to number eight, let's call Cleveland and ask them what they've done to address the crime issue and their City and Chicago is 22. Let's call Chicago and ask them what they've done to address the crime in their city. This city needs help. Our our Detroit Police Department needs support. Maybe we should do a better job of partnering with the state troopers and the Sheriff Wayne County Sheriff because my no vote on ShotSpotter is not a yes vote on crime in the city. Thank you Madam Chair. Thank you member Callaway and really quick I know our chief has joined us virtually we can bring him over I just wanted to briefly say for myself, I echo a lot of the comments that have been made here at the table. As as someone who for the last eight years has who has been committed to addressing the root causes of violence I launched an initiative called occupy the corner which really is geared towards addressing the underlying social issues that breed crime in our community. I'm a firm believer that you can't police your way out of out of crime. With that being said, I do have to just publicly say I wholeheartedly support our chief in the men and women of DPD. And it's been a tough decision for me because I have personally seen our chief sit down with grassroot organizations and go line by line on the policy that's going to govern this particular technology to ensure that civil liberties are protected et cetera. And so I just want to publicly commend our chief for his effort to really address a lot of the community concerns. But with that being said, it is still split. I get calls every day from all sectors of the city that it's split, whether or not people want to move forward with this technology. I have a huge issue with capacity. Mr. Currently just read off we have well over over 300 vacancies within DPD. I just received a call about a week ago someone who called the police department and they said they were coming no one came in so as we employ or deploy this technology, do we have the capacity within DPD to address these particular ShotSpotter costs? And so I'm still concerned about capacity. And one of the issues that I raised with DPD that I personally wanted to see is the funding of community Gun Violence Intervention initiatives, community based organizations receiving grants to do the wraparound services to do the preventative work that they do so well, in our community that could have became parallel with ShotSpotter is to ensure the community that we're not just reacting with ShotSpotter but we have these this layered approach with these community based Gun Violence Intervention organizations being funded as well. I know that I've talked with several of them. There's mixed opinions as it relates to ShotSpotter as well because they're doing a lot of work in the community. And still to this day have not been funded. And so here we are funding to technology that is reactive versus pouring into these grassroots neighborhood, and not neighborhood I should say, but violence interrupters, or organizations that are doing the work every day that I believe as a council, we voted with ARPA funding to allocate these groups money to begin to do work around prevention efforts throughout the city of Detroit and so I personally if we are to vote today, I could not support the ShotSpotter contract. The 7.2 which is the existing contract that is covers the eighth and ninth precinct that does not use ARPA funding, I will be supporting that one. But as as it relates to the expansion I think more conversation needs to take place and as of today, I cannot support it as is. Again, I would love to see the Community Based Violence Intervention initiatives funded. And that also come along with ShotSpotter as well and then address some of the capacity issues that I have as well. So with that being said, I just wanted people to know where I stood on the issue and I do appreciate everyone who has taken the time to call our office provide data provide information I failed to mention the data as well to is very clear that we do have concerns around the efficiency of of ShotSpotter. And lastly, before I close I have to echo member Callaway. If we are to vote on this today, this is not a no A gets this meet, wanting Detroit to be safe, or my passion for public safety in Detroit is just how we get there. And so I want that to be very clear. I know there's been some some talk around, you know, members wanting to defund the police and if we don't support ShotSpotter we support the fund the police I'm not going to be pressured into supporting any technology by fear. And so it's going to be data driven, and it's going to be based on the concerns and issues that I have that are addressed. And so I do support DPD I do support our chief I do support public safety however if we aren't supporting or we are going to vote on this today. I cannot be in support of of shot spotters. So with that being said we can now turn it over to our chief there's nothing else before the committee or the council. Yes, member Young. Thank you Mr. Prez. I just have a really quick question. Um, the question before us right now the first vote we're gonna take is whether or not to delay this correct there has not been a motion on the floor of member Santiago Amuro floor but that will but that will be the motion or motion what was I just want to know what what are we doing here because I just want to are we are we going to vote first to delay this for a week? Are we gonna vote to actually take this up because we're gonna vote to take this up? I'm gonna speak to it. But uh, we're just up here, you know, engaging and it's nice to gauge the debate. But if we're not planning on voting today, I just think we're just kind of dragging people along and I don't want to be that guy. So what are we doing today? So there was discussion originally, I think you may have stepped away to have a vote on postponement. And then I don't think members entertain that motion and so Member Santiago Romero has the floor to make a motion on the line items. This is her committee member Santiago Romero. Thank you, Madam President. I will be making a motion to vote on both of these line items today. Once discussion is complete. I'm not sure if we wanted to have our chief make any final comments or responses to your to your comments, but my motion will be to vote on both line items separately today. All right. If we can have our chief come back over please. Just a young Thank you, man pray so I just wanna make sure I just got this clear. Just you'll forgive me here. I just wanted to make sure for clarification, so we're gonna so the chairwoman will make a motion for us to take up this legislation today. So we're not going to entertain the motion to postpone this for a week. Because I thought that's what we want to do. Member young until the parliamentarian so Member Santiago Ramiro can make a motion if that motion fails, and we could take up another motion to postpone or someone can make a nother motion which was supersede councilmember Santiago's motion if you can explain the process Dr. Powers if in fact the motion is to approve the contracts, and you vote them down then you can't take a motion to postpone them. No, I was in a promotion feels right to approve. If her motion is to approve the contracts, and it fails and okay then then another motion is permitted. I'm sorry. I got a little confused. That member young Dr. Powers I'm sorry I maybe maybe I wasn't clear because it because I understand the process but I just want to make sure I get this correct. So it you know, the question I believe trying to ask here is someone else can make a motion for us. To take this back for a week, right? That's true. Anyone can make a motion. So so the question I'm asking here is, is is there? Are we going to entertain for any members here, this body the motion to delay this for a week first, before we take up the vote? That's I just want to know like what are we doing here? Because we're gonna take up the vote that I want to speak to it, but if we're not, we're just not your plan. You know, I don't think we should be wasting people's time here respectfully. So I disagree that anyone is playing. I know no one is planning your board member yet no one here is playing we had over 90 people both calling in and come down in person to speak on this issue. So if every council member wanted to speak on it they have a right to speak on it and in no time is wasted. Yeah, yeah. So member Yeah. I understand the member. Yeah, I understand if you can get the floor. I actually had I asked for the floor you get down member young Please let me finish what I'm saying. Please. Thank you, Madam President. I appreciate your patience. What I am saying here is that we have been here talking about this issue, talking about this passionately. I think it's wrong for us to have these debates and have these discussions and have these folks come down here and head will take time out of their lives. On this serious issue where fathers have buried their sons and mothers have buried their daughters in infants have shed blood on the street for us to have this motion for us not to even vote on it today. That's what I'm saying it's playing games. That's what I think he's wrong. And what I'm saying is I just want to know, what is the outcome of today? Are we gonna vote this up or we're gonna delay this for a week? Because if we're gonna delay this for a week, I think it's unfortunate, and I think he's playing games with people's lives, emotions, and it's wrong. That's what I'm saying. I am saying let's put our feet to the fire. Are we going to use the toilet or not? That is what I'm saying. And we owe it to the people here and the people in the hallway, do have a direct answer. That's all I'm trying to say. Thank you. Thank you remember young and we can't get to that answer unless we vote on it. And so we're trying to get there. And let me just say, the public also deserves to know where we stand the public deserves to know where we stand on issues. And if council wants to go down a lot and express where they are so that people can have an understanding before we vote, how we feel. They have the opportunity to do that. And I don't think it's playing games at all. I respect everyone's time who came down here this is a decision that is split. It's a tough vote. And people have to have the opportunity to voice their concerns. It's not wasting anyone's time. It's not being disrespectful to anyone. We are going to vote today in this is dependent upon us which direction we want to go and if you feel the way you feel vote the way you would like to vote. All right. And so with that being said, I would like to bring our chief over so that he can make a couple of comments and then we can entertain a motion to either vote to postpone or vote to take the line item up today. Yes, Dr. Powers I'd like to say something but I hope I don't confuse the issue. If Member Santiago Romero does make the motion to approve, then the next step would be discussion of that motion. And during that discussion, a motion could be made to postpone the vote. So it wouldn't be two separate steps. It would be a motion to approve. And during the discussion a number of member another member could be the second one will be the one and then that would be the one that would be voted on first statue Thank you. You're welcome. Pelton site. Know that I think Dr. Powers something that was what I was going to add to it. I mean, if number young Through you, madam president would like to be the one that postpone or I mean, each and every one of us have an opportunity to to determine the direction of this vote. It's not one member to member. It's all of us. So I just wanted to make that point that Dr. Powers may thank you. All right. Thank you. We do have chief white that has joined us, Chief white. The floor is yours. Thank you. Good afternoon, counsel. I just want to take a couple of minutes of your time and I do appreciate you giving me the opportunity to speak. You know I've heard a lot of conversation today and I respect everyone's opinion, but I'm gonna speak as a police chief in the city of Detroit. A place I've worked 27 years. I've heard a lot about partnering with people well we partner with the Michigan State Police we partner with Wayne County Sheriff, and still today we had a Michigan State Police officers shot in our city and he is now in Sinai Grace hospital fighting for his life in critical condition. We buried an officer this year. Officer Lauren Cortes, who has two beautiful children a wife and he won't be able to go home anymore because he was shot by someone suffering from from mental illness. I totally understand the socio economic disadvantages that drive crime. I have spoken about it I am educated in it. I'm myself a mental health professional. And I'm also a police chief. I go to these runs every single day where we are losing our citizens in this community. And we are talking about technology as if it's a new thing yet everyone checks the boxes on these these social media sites that says that you can have access to everything in my phone as long as I can post a picture. We have ring doorbells with audio on them at homes that the moment someone's home is broken into. We are trying to give that information to the police department to investigate and check who broke into their homes. When we look at ShotSpotter and we look at the impact of ShotSpotter the data is there. And for the cities that I don't work for I can't tell you what drives their decisions. I've talked to some some said we couldn't afford it. Some said that is not something that we wanted to use because we didn't make enough arrests and we didn't get enough guns. And I would argue that if your only measurement of success with ShotSpotter is arrest, then you are missing the boat. When I look at the ninth precinct that is known in the streets jokingly as for a two one die because so many people die in that town or in this town and that precinct. And I look at the reductions that I've seen with ShotSpotter it's clear to me that yes, our five point plan is working and for someone who mentioned that we don't have a strategy or we don't have a plan when I took over as Chief we were up 40% in homicides and 20% and non fatal shootings up as of today we're down 14% Now not fatal shootings and 4% of homicides. But here's why I don't brag about that number, because still today, still today 2022 We've had 225 people in our city getting murdered 225 people, we have still had 700 730 people shot in this town. We should all be alarmed. We should all be concerned. And when we talk about who's going to be affected by that, I'm sure everyone saw that news report on Fox to yesterday where the guy pulls up getting gas pulls out his gun shoots in the air. bullets have to come down when they go up and pulls off as if he's not even concerned. These things can be done concurrently. Yes, we need services. Yes, we need mental health. Yes, we need social services. We need homes for people. We need education. We need resources, and they will absolutely have an impact on crime. But why can't we run concurrently with those services and the tools that this police department needs to fight crime? And to say that anything less would be irresponsible. We even have evolved detectors at at K Mac. Why? Because even though City Council myself and others have security but we have evolved as an extra layer we have we have security systems on our home as an extra layer but because we have a security system on our home we don't leave our front doors on a lot. So the say that is an all or nothing approach. It's not an either either or it's an an and the and is important the end is why we've got babies dying in homes while they're spending the night with their grandmother, the young lady that we are the young child that we had this summer, who goes to her mom's house decides that she wants to do what every what every child should do with their grandmother I'm sorry her grandmother's house and decides that she's going to spend the night have pizza and do tick tock videos. But while she's doing the tic tac video behind her home is another group of kids. And these kids are boys and girls who decides that they want to play with a gun that was left behind. So the first time that they walk out into the yard. They shoot in the air. Then they go back in the house. The second time they come out in mind you no one calls the police on the first time. The second time they come out they shoot again. Then they go back in the house. Then they come out with two little girls who wants to learn how to shoot but this time the gun is levied at the house or level that the House adjacent to the house had a shooting front because they don't know what they're doing. The bullet goes into the house. Here's just a child's body and she is now dead. And had we had ShotSpotter like ShotSpotter was active on the on the incident yesterday when the young man decided to dance and shoot a gun in our city. We can respond and we can stop someone from dying in our city. We have had 10 mass shootings in the city of Detroit this year. Already seven mass shootings all of last year. We need every tool that we can have at our disposal to save lives. Hold this department accountable for the responsible use. Hold this department responsible for how the warrants are submitted. We've got a prosecutor in Wayne County that you can't walk in with a ShotSpotter hit without the requisite investigation to get a warrant signed. ShotSpotter is nothing but an investigative lead. It has no video. It has no voice recordings. It responds to the percussion of a gunshot period and that is a condition my god that everybody should be concerned about. This is not an auto alarm. This is murder or its attempt. Someone is shooting a gun in our community. We should all be terrified and we should all do everything we possibly can to ensure that that matters being investigated and if we know statistically the data is here that only 10% of the people call 911. We can argue all day long why that is? Yes, there are some people who don't trust the police. Absolutely. We need to do more work in that area. But also there are people who don't want to get involved. There are people who are afraid of retaliation. There are people who are prisoners in their own home because they know that the person down the street is quote shooting again. Those are the calls that I get. This tool allows us with pinpoint accuracy to go to that area within 80 to 90 feet know where the call comes from and I want to say one last thing that I keep hearing about just quote good old fashioned police work. This is a time when we don't want people accosted. We don't want officers randomly stopping people. Well let me tell you what happens when someone calls 911 It says that I hear gunshots in a particular area. I don't know where but I'm at seven mile on evergreen and I've heard gunshots. So what we do is we assign a car to that veteran. They drive up and down the street and they quote look for a victim's be someone running see groups or others that may or may not be coming from an area where the shot was fired. That causes us to have to stop and investigate. And sometimes we get it right. But sometimes we don't. This just happens to be two or three people that are walking in the area where someone said the call or the shot came from. With ShotSpotter we're able to go with pinpoint accuracy to the area. Look for shell casings tie those shell casings to other crimes. Investigate the area where we have found victims. We have been able to to give emergency medical treatment, get them transported and conveyed and make arrests most recently, two brothers had a fight ShotSpotter hits two minutes before the 911 call comes in. We respond to that run we find one brother suffering from a gunshot wound Critical Condition unconscious. We do first aid we get them transported. We arrested brother who's trying to leave with a gun on him. And fentanyl. We get the gun off the street. We get the victim some help. And yes it cost $7 million for what is the cost of life and when we see what is happening in our community. And if we're okay with always being number two and number three as the most violent city in America and that's okay. I would I would offer to you that you are not going to be able to beautify your way out of crime just like I cannot beautify my way or arrest my way out of crime. I cannot say here's a pretty building on the corner. So crime goes away because there's a pretty building or I've arrested the last criminal in the city of Detroit so crime will stop. That's absolutely not the fact that I'm very passionate about this issue. I apologize if my animation offends some but I've been up since one o'clock once again am on a shooting scene where I've got a police officer fighting for his life and an inexplicable violent act in this community. And I need this council to stand with me to to pound the table for what's right and not protect perpetrators of crime, but protect these victims of crime while supporting reducing crime by these additional services. It is not an either or isn't and I am all for the and and if the technology reduces crime. I am committed to you rolling it back. I am even committed to you saying I won't do three years I'll do one I'll do two years. But to say that this is a tool that doesn't work when I know we are able to save lives and I look at the crime trends. And I know that this city is one of the few major cities in America, that's reporting reduction at a time when crime is at its peak in this country is an irresponsible comment. And I'm not going to just sit back and say that it's okay when I know what's happening in our community. Thank you, Madam President, and all for allowing me to speak. Great. Thank you, Chief we appreciate that Chief white. All right. So I'm going to go back to Councilmember Santiago Ramiro, go right ahead. Thank you, Madam President. Once again, I will be making a motion to vote on these separately. And I would like to thank everyone that came out today and called it in opposition to ARPA funding being spent on ShotSpotter some reasons to highlight that have already been used on why we shouldn't approve, at least first of all, ShotSpotter and then using ARPA funding, the data that we have been shown has proven that it is inefficient. It has also been mentioned that ShotSpotter has it in their contract that they do not guarantee a reduction of crime. There's also when their contract that they will not work on the Fourth of July or New Year's Eve. Two we do not have a cost benefit analysis. Three it sounds like as if it sounds as if it sounds as it sounds like if we did approve these contracts, we would not be in compliance with their civilian and put governance surveillance ordinance for heavy growing just comfort knowing that one of the biggest reasons why we have done shots in our neighborhoods. It is not due to violent crime, but it has DPD has confirmed it themselves. It is due to the fact that people can easily access and purchase guns. Many times residents are testing their guns or playing with them which has led to lethal results. We what we need are real gun safe policies. I have yet to do my research, but I want to know what kind of policies if any city council can set in place that will result to less guns on their streets. My fifth comments my fifth point is that 7 million of ARPA funding can be better spent on preventative and intervention programs and initiatives that prevent gunshots and violence from happening in the first place. We may be top a top city for violent crime, but we are also the poorest city in the country. And these funds should be going to Detroiters, not tech companies. We need to invest in our people. ShotSpotter is not here to solve all problems. They are here to profit from them. My family and I have been victims of gun violence and robbery. I desperately want to address violent crime in the city. But I want to do so by addressing the root causes of crime. And I also want to be very clear. I'm also in supported DPD having what they need to perform their duties. I know that our officers are working every single day right now Mr. risking their lives, and they're doing so without a finalized contract. We need to be focused on ensuring they have the security protection and proper compensation that they need to be doing the work that they're doing every single day. Instead of fighting for these expensive microphones. We should be making sure officers have what they need to conduct our work and make sure that we our residents have what they need to prevent crime from happening in the first place. It's been mentioned that we have great wraparound services like like ceasefire, but let's be honest, these are very poorly funded. We need to make sure that our funding is going to solutions. With that Madam president I motion to approve Milan 17.1. I am asking for a roll call encouraging my colleagues to vote no discussion. All right. motion has been made discussion member Dora. Thank you, Madam President. As as we have went through this today we heard that there are people on both sides of this and President Pro Tem articulated just the opportunity to come back and look at the funding mechanism. There are folks who disagree with the funding mechanism. There are folks that may disagree with the location of where they're put and I think it could have further discussion to make it better. Again, I cannot ignore the fact that members of my district residents on my district support it. And so I would like to make a motion to at least postpone line item 17.1 for one week. To allow those discussions maybe come up with different funding mechanisms and come to a happy place where folks can support it and or not. But I think it deserves further discussion from some of the suggestions that have been brought up today by other members. So that is my motion. Madam President. All right. motion has been made any other discussion on the motion to postpone for one week? All right, Hearing no objections to excuse me hearing no other discussion the motion has been made. Are there any objections to postpone the vote? Objection. And this is for 17.1 is do a roll call. Councilmember Santiago Romero. Objection. Council President proximity. Yes. Councilmember waters No. Councilmember wavefield? Callaway? No. Councilmember young? Yes. Council President Sheffield. Yes. Councilmember Benson. Councilmember Dara Hall? Yes. Council member Jackson? Yes. Six yeas three days. That motion passes to postpone. line item 17.1. And Member Santiago Amuro. We can move to 17.2 I make the same motion to approve and in 17.2 motion has been made for approval for line item 17.2. Are there any objections? An objection? The cargo please note for concern No. Objection, objection. Member waters. Objection. The clerk will now also know we have a council member Callaway no no motion passes. All right line item 17.2 passes. All right. We can go back up to the agenda for the budget Finance and Audit standing committee from the office of the city clerk City Planning Commission, Council Member dr. Hall two resolutions, line items 14.1 and 14.2. Councilmember Dora Hoff Thank you Madam President. line item 14.1 is the resolution for authorization for a neighborhood enterprise all certificate applications for the rehabilitation of a former former industrial building into a 92 unit residential apartment building, located at 450 Amsterdam and the New Amsterdam neighborhood enterprise zone area. I move for approval for a line item 14.1. motion has been made for approval. Are there any objections? Yep, I'm sorry before we move actually a discussion of 14.1 I'm sorry. That Okay, okay, Madam President. I withdraw my previous motion. I have some notes here that we would like to actually postpone line item 14.1 for one week. Pardon me on that, Madam President. All right. So there's a motion to postpone line item 14.1. Any objections? Hearing now we will postpone line item 14.1. Member Doha. Did you move 14.2? No, I did not Madam President. Mr. Clark, I'm sorry. Did you caught Did you move both 14.1 and 14? Okay, so remember Doha? Thank you Madam President. I line item 14.2 as a resolution for authorization for neighborhood enterprise zone certificate application for the rehabilitation of an existing building to create seven apartment units located at 603 East Milwaukee in the East Grand Boulevard neighborhood enterprise zone area. Move for approval. motion has been made. Hearing no objections the warm side President Pro Tem No. Council President Pro Tem take 14.2 All right, the clerk will note hearing no other objections that resolution will be approved from the law department. This is for the internal operations standing committee. Councilmember Johnston seven resolutions lands 15.1 to 15.7. Member Johnson Thank you madam president Move for approval online items 15.1 through 15.7 motion has been made are there any objections? Hearing none, the seventh resolutions will be approved. From the law department. Councilmember Johnson a resolution noting a roll call line item 15.8. Councilmember Johnson Thank you madam president move. Right while she has been made for approval and this is to schedule a closed session for Tuesday, October 4 at 2pm. The cargo please call the roll. Council President votes empty. Yes. Councilmember waters. Yes. Councilmember Whitfield Callaway. Yes. Councilmember young no council president shift for you. Yes. Councilmember Benson? Yeah. Councilmember dirt Hall? Yes. Councilmember Jensen? Yes. Councilmember Santiago Mara? Yes. Eight yeas one day. That resolution will be approved from the law department. Councilmember Johnson a resolution noting a roll call line item 15 point. Councilmember Johnson. Thank you, Madam President Move for approval. motion has been made for approval and this is also to schedule a closed session for Tuesday, October 4 at 2:30pm. The clerk will please call the roll. Councilmember waters. Yes. Councilmember Whitfield Callaway. Yes. Councilmember Young's. Yeah. Council President shift for you. Yes. Councilmember Benson. Councilmember Hall? Yes. Council member Johnson. Yes. Councilmember Santiago Romero? Yes. Council President Pro Tem take? Yes. Seven yeas, two Nays. All right. That motion is approved. That resolution is approved by the Planning and Economic Development Standing Committee under unfinished business. Madam President, the clerk's office would like to note that on the agenda line item 16.1 is noted under councilmember, council president pro tem Tate's name, however, it should be in the name of council president Schiff you, council president pro tem Tate on behalf of council president Sheffield and ordinance noting a roll call line item 16.1. President Pro Tem to the president I moved to take from the table an ordinance to amend chapter 22 of the 2019 Detroit city code housing Article Three inclusionary housing requirements by amending section 22 Dash three dash seven Detroit affordable housing development preservation fund by increasing the expected annual appropriation to the fun to equal 40% of net receipts for all commercial property sales during the previous fiscal year. laid on the table June 28th 2022. Hearing no objections that action will be taken council president potentate. I move that the ordinance be placed on the order of third reading and considered read. Hearing no objections that action will be taken pro Tim Tate President move that the ordinance be passed as submitted. There being a roll call the clerk please call the roads. Councilmember Whitfield Callaway. Yes. Councilmember young? Yes. Council President Sheffield. Yes. Councilmember Benson. Councilmember dirt Hall? Yes. Council member Johnson. Yes. Councilmember Santiago Romero? Yes. Council President Pro Tem tea. Yes. Councilmember waters? Yes. Nine yeas, zero Nays. That ordinance is approved. President Pro Tem I move that the title of the ordinance be confirmed. Hearing no objections that action will be taken. And just want to thank all of my colleagues, just a reminder that this housing trust fund is for housing of families that are below the 50% area median income and so when we talk about affordable housing this fund is solely dedicated to providing units at 50% Ami and below and so we are now increasing that annual appropriation from 20 to 40%, which will call for more additional projects to be funded at that 50% Ami level in below. So thank you to my colleagues for your support. Thanks for wavering members. Waiver waiver has been requested. Are there any objections? Hearing none, that action will be taken from the Office of contracting and procurement. Madam President, there's one contract up for vote today from the Planning and Economic Development Standing Committee. It is contract number 6004747 100%. City funding to provide a hub and spoke model to develop work sites using Connect Detroit as the current Summer Youth Employment Coordinator. Contracted Detroit Employment Solutions core total contract amount $2 million and this contract is for housing and revitalization. Council President potentate a resolution line item 16.2 as an approach him tight, President Move approval line item 16.2 motion has been made. Are there any objections? Hearing none the one resolution will be approved. From the housing and revitalization department. Council President Pro Tem tight for resolutions, lands 16.3 through 16.6. President Pro Tem tight President Move approval in line item 16.3 through 16.6. motion has been made for approval. Are there any objections? Discussion? Discussion? Yes, Member Santiago Ramiro Thank you just want to for some clarification, I believe this item was on our special sequestered agenda. On last month on the first and it was approved. Just wondering if we can go over the history of this item and why we're seeing it again in our agenda. This is for this I'm sorry, this is for 16.3. Mr. Clerk President Obama made this may have to go COPD as well, but it didn't it was not approved. It has to lay on the table for 60 days. So if you want a better explanation LBD may be to you. Thank you. Okay. Yep. Okay. All right. motion has been made for approval. Are there any objections? Hearing none before resolutions will be approved. If I can have a waiver, please on 16.4 Some of that was Excuse me. 16.3. motion has been made. Hearing no objections that action will be taken. Madam president request for waiver on 16.4 motion has been made for a waiver 16.4 Hearing no objections that action will be taken to present if I may, for neglected to request a waiver from 14.2. All right, motion has been made. For 14.2 for a waiver, Hearing no objections that action will be taken. From the planning and development department. Council President Bill 23 resolutions nine and 16.7 to 16.9. President Pro Tem Tate press President move approval of line item 16.7 through 16.9. motion has been made for approval and these are various property sales. Hearing no objections. The three resolutions will be approved. request a waiver for line item 16.7. Madam President, motion has been made for a waiver. Are there any objections? Hearing none, that action will be taken. For the public health and safety standing committee. Madam President, perhaps I'll just like to note that line item 17.2 17.1 17.2 have already been handled. That leaves us with 11 contracts up for vote today from the public health and safety standing committee. First up we have contract number 60007921 2% FTA. Funding a Myth number one to provide an extension of time only to manage major DDOT facility construction projects. Contract is Detroit building authority total contract amount is $105 million. And this contract is for transportation. The next contract is contract number 30596591 2%. City funding to provide an emergency demolition for the residential property at 40. West Hollywood contractors a demo demolition company total contract amount $37,960. And this contract is for city demolition. The next contract is contract number 3059648 100%. City funding to provide an emergency demolition for the residential property at 4867 Dickerson contractors a demo demolition company total contract amount $63,300. And this contract is for city demolition. The next contract is contract number 3059574. Why don't you percent city funding to provide an emergency demolition for the residential property at at West Hollywood contract is a dumbo demolition company total contract amount $29,900 And this contract is for city demolition. The next contract is contract number 3058419 100% bond funding to ride demolition backfill grade and site finalization for property located at 1469 for spring garden contract this guy on the company total contract amount $17,350 And this contract is for city demolition. The next contract is contract number 3046323 100%. Grant grant funding amendment number one to provide an increase of funds only for a bus Tow Truck contract is Wolverine Freightliner Eastside Inc, total contract amount $445,798 And this contract is for transportation. The next contract is contract number 3059038 100%. City funding to provide an emergency demolition for the residential property at 3800. Love it. Contract is DMC consultants Inc total contract amount $27,720 And this contract is for city demolition. The next contract is contract number 3059043 100% city funding to provide an emergency demolition for the residential property at 5099 Buckingham contract is DMC consultants Inc total contract amount $31,590. And this contract is for city demolition. The next contract is contract number 3059295 100%. City funding to provide an emergency demolition for the residents property at 15499. Patton contract is a demo demolition company total contract amount $30,400 And this is for city demolition. The next contract is contract number 3059487 100%. City funding to provide an emergency demolition for the residential property at 3930. Wabash contract is a demo demolition company total contract amount $46,550. And this contract is for city demolition. The last contract is contract number 30598431 2%. City funding to provide an emergency demolition for the residential property at 13809. Goddard kantrovitz SC Environmental Services LLC. total contract amount to $24,887. And this contract is for city demolition Council Member Santiago mero 11. Resolutions line item 17.3 317 point 13. Councilmember Santiago Rivera. Thank you Madam President. I motion to approve one item 17.3 through 17 point 13. motion has been made for approval. Are there any objections? Objection, Madam Chair, member Callaway yes on line item 17.8. All right, if the clerk would note and President Pro Tem Tate president no for me line item 17 point 13. arco please note for note for both any other objections? Hearing none the 13 resolutions will be approved. We will now move to the new business portion of the agenda from the Office of contracting and procurement. Madam President, there is one contract of vote today from the public health and safety Senate Committee on today's new business portion of the agenda. It is contract number 3060369 100%. Grant funding to ride on call certified peer recovery specialists that aid with post overdose peer recovery coaching and transportation contract is class changing lives and staying sober. total contract amount $35,834. And this contract is for the health department. Councilmember Santiago mayor was one resolution line item 18.1. Council Member Santiago Ramiro Thank you madam president Motion to approve item 18.1 motion has been made for approval. Are there any objections? Hearing none, the one resolution will be approved. All right motion has been made for a waiver. Are there any objections? Hearing none, that action will be taken the office of contracting and procurement. Madam president there are four contracts up for vote today from the Neighborhood and Community Services standing committee. On today's new business portion of the agenda. First, we have contract number 6004615. This is the amended resolution 100% city funding to provide paint supplies, equipment and repair services contract is Sherwin Williams company total contract amount $407,004.78. And this contract is for general services. The next contract is contract number 6001245 100%. City funding amendment number two to write an extension of time and an increase of funds for the management of golf courses. Contract is Signet golf associates to inc total contract amount $525,000 And this contract is for general services. The next contract is contract number 6004714. Once you present capital funding to provide project management for the purchase and installation of license plate readers software hardware upgrades for new fleet of vehicles, contractors Detroit building authority total contract amount $1,348,830 And this contract is for municipal parking. The last contract is contract number 6002475. A to 100% 2018 UTG Oban funding amendment number two to provide an extension of time only to furnish all of the necessary improvements to formally implement the Detroit Police Department's vehicle towing initiative at the Grand River Toja contract is DMC consultants Inc. Amended contract amount is zero and this contract is for general services. Councilmember Yang for resolutions, line items 18.2 to 18.5. Thank you, customer. Thank you. Can you move for discussion, please? Okay, motion for discussion. Thank you. line item 18.4. We did submit a memo This is regarding the installation of license plate readers. We did submit a memo requesting a specification report and we have not received that specification report. So we are asking that this be postponed for one week. This does trigger the community government community input over government surveillance ordinance and so a specification report should have been submitted. So member young if you could motion to postpone this one to discuss first. Sure, go back to you. Thank you, man. Pres Yeah, I was just getting ready to say that here and we postpone it. I will just get it say should we just postpone it for two days since they were supposed to post this online for 14 days. I mean, if we receive that when that give them more time with an opportunity for us to be able to have that and meet that requirement. So we can't postpone for two weeks or two weeks. Two weeks, excuse me. Yeah, we can't postpone for two weeks at the formal session. It has to be a week at a time. Okay. So in that case, then, Madam President, I would like to request a motion proposed fall in line item 18.4 to allow the CI O G. 's report to be completed per ordinance and posted online for 14 days. So I like to request a motion to post to like request window you gotta request the motion, or you have to request it but remember, young as before you continue. If we're gonna allow the 14 day period to take place, we may want to just send this back to committee you will do that instead of postponing it here at formal session. I know you want to postpone and while we postpone another weekend and come back. Alright. Thank you, Madam President. I would like to request a motion to proceed to bring back line item 18 point for the committee to allow the CIO GS report to be completed per ordinance and post online for 14 days. All right, motion has been made. Any any discussion? Yes, member Benson. Yes, it's actually listed in the ordinance license plate readers. All right. Any further discussion? Yes, Member Santiago Romero. Thank you, Madam President. I too was going to ask to postpone 18.4. So I'm glad that we did but for 18.5 just have a quick question and wondering the reasons for the time extension argue that restriction magnets administration that okay, I'm gonna present to miss Bolton. Good afternoon. Good fortune on the behalf of the administration. I did not hear the question. Could you please be repeated? Remember young I'm sorry. Remember Santiago? Hi, Miss Fulton. My question was what the purpose of the extension of time is for 18.50. Okay. Thank you, Madam Chair through you to member Santiago Romero. I believe the work has not yet been completed. And so we don't need additional monies. But we do need additional time to finish the work. And I'm not sure as to what the slowdown may have been. But with any construction or build outs, we do know that there are sometimes unforeseen circumstances and so that's the extension of time to allow us to go through this contract. Okay, thank you. Absolutely. All right. Remember, you're young you already moved these for approval? Yes. No, wait, no. I motioned for 84th Why didn't motion to 80.2 the entire way through. So I'm now moving on. Madam President. I would like to move to approve line item 18 point. Madam President. What was going on was that a lot of people talking? No point I'm pardon me. I'm just saying point of order and we vote on sending it back to committee. We vote on it. I believe all around. I'm curious. Dr. Powers. You the motion was made you you acknowledge the motion but then member Benson said discussion and you didn't actually call for the vote. Okay. Thank you so much. Thank you member Doha. Member young if you could take up line item 18.4 first. Okay, thank you, man. I like to move line item 18.4 back to committee. All right motion has been made. Hearing no objections line item 18.4. We'll go back to committee. And then member young go right ahead. Thank you, Madam President. I like to move to approve lines 18 point through 18.2 through 18.5. motion has been made. Are there any objections? Objection Member Santiago Ramiro 18.2 The clerk would no no, no. All right, hearing no other objections the resolutions will be approved right from the Office of the Chief Financial Officer Office of Development and grants. Councilmember younger resolution line item 18.6. Councilmember Young. Thank you, Madam President. I move to approve item 18.6. motion has been made for approval. Are there any objections? Hearing none, the one resolution will be approved. Under resolutions, Council Member waters the resolution line and 18.7. Councilmember waters Thank you, Madam President. Motion to approve was discussion, discussion number waters. All right. Thank you. As a as a breast cancer survivor, you know when I was diagnosed back in 2008 I decided I would not feel sorry for myself I would get busy working in in my community to address the disparities that there are people that black people black women often face. Lots of experts researchers have traced health disparities back even to the to the slave trade. Many of you are familiar with the slave trade. So and we often talk to people in the community about stopping the silence. Just because you may not have that healthcare insurance that's helped you to get a mammogram or or breast exam. It does not mean that you have to suffer in silence. Help is here. There are resources that are available to you. And so when we were peak, we don't want to wear pink just because we look pretty at it. Although you know, we tend to look pretty big so but this resolution, Madam President, I just want to read it because I want people to understand the purpose of wearing pink so that we can make sure that it's clear as to the reason why and what we are supporting when we when we wear this pink. Whereas exhaustive research by the American Association for Cancer Research reveals that marginalized populations be a disproportionate burden of death and suffering by cancer including breast cancer, and way as poverty, illiteracy and structural racism, and the for profit healthcare industry prevent access to medical resources that enable early detection, thus placing marginalized Detroiters and a deadly cancer pipeline of silence suffering. And whereas over 30% of Detroit residents live below the federal poverty line. And where's over 80% of Detroit's population of people of color, with the overwhelming majority of those being black Americans, and whereas functional and literacy continues to devastate residents of Detroit at a pandemic level exceeding 40%. And where's the choice long history of structural racism and systemic and justices including the I 375 highway that paved over wealth building opportunities for black Detroiters while eliminating generations of stable black families in those areas known as Black Bottom and Paradise Valley. And whereas black Americans indisputably have the highest cancer death rate amongst all racial ethnic populations, and whereas black women die from breast cancer disproportionately more than women of other races, and whereas early detection of cancer saves lives, and whereas October is Breast Cancer Awareness Month, therefore be it resolved that his fourth the first Tuesday of October shall be designated as shades of pink Tuesday, and finally resolved that the city of Detroit employees will be asked to wear pink on shades of pink Tuesday with an understanding of this resolution and the challenges ahead for Detroit to save lives. And so, Madam President, I want to thank a one of my employees, Stacy, for coming up with the idea. She suggested that we do it amongst you know, council members, us in our staff, but then I decided I said no, Stacy's on to something here. Let me just expand this to the entire city of Detroit because it's just that important. And so I want to thank her. We have to give credit where credit is due. So with that, I move approval, Madam President, thank you so much. Thank you member waters. Member Callaway. Yeah, thank you Madam Chair. I'd like to join you on your resolution. Cancer, took my mother's life in 2018 and cancer took my baby sister's life and 2019 Five months after my mother passed, and my baby sister was the roommate of Kamala Harris, our sorority sister and they were on the same line. So I would absolutely like to join you in that resolution. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you. Thank you and member waters, I would like to join you as well. As I mentioned to you, both of my aunts on both sides of my family are survivors of breast cancer. And so I understand the need to continue to heighten the awareness around breast cancer and I join you in encouraging the many survivors to continue the fight and just spread awareness that there is treatment there is opportunity and there's hope for those who are battling cancer. So thank you for all the work that you're doing in the waters around this issue as well. So I would love to join you as well. I'm sure this is going to be on behalf of the council. So yes, all of us can wear pink. All right, the big savings. Member young guests. Thank you, Mr. President, and to member waters. I just want to say I do not look good wearing pink. But I do support you in your efforts. And I think this is a very important issue, particularly with African American women who are more likely to not only contract cancer, but who are also four times more likely to die. While being pregnant. And the reason why I'm bringing that up is because there is overwhelming statistics about black people who are more likely to die from these diseases. And so what you're doing is not just fighting against cancer is literally saving lives and getting the information that we can to protect it protect ourselves and not only deal with medical injustice, but also medical racism and keeping people alive. So I applaud you, and I am honored to join you inside of being a senator on pink Tuesday. Thank you. So we could the clerk would note this is the name of the council. Madam president request a waiver. We we have to vote on it first. So remember water. Yeah, remember, waters moved for approval? Hearing no objections that resolution is approved, and member waters has also requested a waiver. Are there any objections? Hearing none the motion is approved All right before we got our our referrals we do have a walk one a request for a walk on from my understanding. This is from this I always okay member Johnson. Thank you, Madam President. I'd like to make a motion to walk on contract number 6004539. On to the new business agenda for vote today. Right and colleagues everyone should have a copy of the contract and Mr. Clerk Do you have a copy as well? I do. I discussion? Yeah, thank you, Mr. President. I would I would like an opportunity to review and go through because we got a few questions that we have regarding this particular contract after speaking with my team, so I would not be in supportive voting on it today. Unless there's unless there's a absolute desperate need to get it voted. On today, but we would request an opportunity to get the questions answered. Thank you program tape. You pointed to Mr. Whittaker. Mr. Whittaker. Madam President, this contract came up during the risk management councils meeting on Friday. There was some sense of urgency expressed by do it in that meeting and several other members of the Risk Management Council to push this forward because there is a hole in our cybersecurity system without this contract being in place. This is for the city's protection. I probably is not, I'm probably not the best person to address the issues of you have have some critical issues that you need to have address. You really do need to have the folks from do it here to address those issues. I asked him to come forward because of of what was expressed at risk management. There's been a hole and knowing the problems that the state not only Detroit has, but all government institutions have with cybersecurity. Right Thank you, Mr. potentate, okay, and I still would like to know what I'm voting down at this moment. Thank you, Mr. Johnson. Thank you, Madam President. Just based on the advice I know there was spirited discussion during iOS in regards to this item, initially, there was a request to postpone the item or bring it back for a month. Within that time, the concern was raised about what Mr. Whittaker just indicated. And so, I would like to I would like to make the motion to walk it on for a vote today. So it was in committee member Johnson. Yes. There was discussion in committee as well. Okay. So we just move in from the committee now to Okay. All right. All right. So the motion has been made to walk this one new business. Any other discussion? All right. Any objections? All right, hearing none, this will be added to new business for a vote. Mr. Clerk councilmember Johnson resolution, contract number 604539. Councilmember Johnson. Thank you, Madam President Move for approval. motion has been made for approval. Are there any objections president? President proximity President Pro Tem Kirkwood no police and I'm president. Yes. Also an objection. The cargo No. Hearing no other objections that action will be taken. Right for the president's report when standing committee referrals and other matters for the internal operation standing committee, six reports from various city departments. The six reports will be referred to the internal operation standing committee for the Neighborhood and Community Services standing committee reports from various city departments. The five reports will be referred to the Neighborhood and Community Services standing committee for the public health and safety standing committee for reports from the housing and revitalization department. Those reports will be referred to the public health and safety standing committee. That correct it looks like I was planning Yes, I'm sorry. Okay, well reports from various city departments. Alright, those four reports will be referred to the Planning and Economic Development standing committee and for the public. Health and Safety standing committee. We have reports from various city departments. Those 12 reports will be referred to the public health and safety Standing Committee under the consent agenda. There are no items Madam President, you will now move for memory ports. Is there a motion to suspend? So, madam president will so there is a motion to suspend. Is there any objections? Member Young? Any other objections? All right, that motion passes to suspend I will go ahead member Doha. Thank you, Madam President. And I would like to do updates to the nature of the contract we just passed. I would like to request a waiver for that previous motor contract 6004539 Yeah, unfortunately, I'm gonna have to object a waiver at this time. All right, under adaption without committee reference, there are no items Madam President, under communications from the clerk will report on approval of proceedings by the mayor. The report will be received and placed on file under testimonial resolutions and special privilege. There are no items, Madam President. All right. there being nothing else to come before us. I will see everyone this evening in District Four with councilmember Johnson at Grace Community Church at 7pm for our evening council meeting, this meeting will now stand adjourned.