Ticking off the World's To-Do List - Sianne Haldane

4:43PM Jun 30, 2021

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Becky Endicott

Jonathan McCoy

Sianne Haldane

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Hi, Becky. Welcome, everybody.

We're beaming today.

Oh, my gosh, we have a living legend from across the pond. She is in the UK right now I can lead this conversation and we get to go international and have a global conversation about humanity, about social justice, about philanthropy and the things we can do to pour in together It is so energizing to us and just spending a little bit of time with our guests. I just feel like we're about to have an epic conversation. I like

can't wait. So friends, we are excited to introduce you to cn how Dane and today we are talking really some amazing big picture things that we really have not dove into a ton on the podcast. I'm really excited for today's conversation, we're going to be talking all things impact investing the UN Sustainable Development Goals, which is a really powerful list of priorities for our humanity and for the globe right now. And I just want to introduce you to our friend here. cn has had this incredible career. And she is just a kindred spirit. The more we learn about her, we're like, oh my goodness, why has it taken us 38 years to connect with our friend here

and a renaissance woman she's done everything.

Seriously. She has a background in law and psychology, which just creates this undercurrent for her work and bringing together philanthropist advisors, the not for profit community with strategic philanthropy. And she, you know, her work, being a lawyer has taken her all around the globe. She is a native of South Africa, a lot of her work in the UK now. And what we wanted to talk about with her is just her passion for bringing the philanthropy community together matches this very innovative group that really does matchmaking of the funders with these nonprofit priorities. And really finding things that resonate with the community of funders to really advance the most pressing issues facing our world. So this conversation is deep and wide and very soul filling. So welcome to the podcast, and we can't wait to just dive in with

you. Thank you. Wow, what an amazing intro. I feel like they don't even need to say anything.

You don't because you're amazing. And your intro speaks for yourself. I mean, we're very curious about your career journey. And I mean, starting in South Africa and moving into Europe, I mean, tell us a little bit about growing up and how you landed in the role you are today. Yeah,

thank you. So yes, South Africa, I have to say that I have to give a big thanks to Trevor Noah, because he's probably done a lot of people an accent. And also, I guess, sort of a little bit more about our very, you know, sort of interesting and also very complex society that, you know, sort of many of us of my generation and tribals were born into. So, yeah, I guess, you know, for me, it was always growing up in that society, I guess, I had this inherent understanding that I was just lucky to have been born into the family that I was born into, you know, if I had a different kind of skin, my life would have been completely different in South Africa. And I think, you know, sort of, I was really aware of that from really young age. And I think, you know, sort of that always made me want to do something, you know, sort of different with, with, with, you know, my life really, and I felt like I wanted to do something that would be helpful. Things were changing, you know, sort of as I was growing up, so it was quite an exciting time, you sort of Nelson Mandela was released, when I was about 10 or 11 years old,

what a time to be in South Africa

was just amazing, you know, sort of the energy and, you know, feeling how things were, you know, sort of just changing when I went to university, I felt like, law would be a really good, you know, sort of Korea, you know, sort of thinking about how to implement change. And that was were a good grounding, obviously, in human rights, you know, sort of, in South Africa really sort of came into my early career. And I was actually lucky enough to have I mean, just going back a little bit, Nelson Mandela was at my graduation ceremony, not for me, of course. I would have been, that would have been incredible, but he was there, because one of his colleagues was receiving an honorary doctorate. And it was a surprise for all of us. And it was just so amazing. He really kind of made an effort to pretty much time congratulate everyone who was there, you know, he was obviously already there. You know, For his, for his friends. So, yeah, you know, it was such a brilliant time really in South Africa. And I felt like I wanted to just sort of spread my wings, I guess and and, you know, sort of see if there was some other interesting opportunity I could get into in Europe and I didn't really have much of a plan, it was more like, well, let's just go and sort of figure things out, I worked then more in a sort of like, you know, family office environment with, you know, sort of a handful of wealthy families and, you know, sort of helped on trusts and some of their philanthropy. But I kind of had that sense, again, of wanting to, you know, really get really dive in and, you know, sort of get into the, into the third sector, and we're just talking about, you know, the third sector, that's how we talk about the sort of not for profit space, and here in the UK, because it contributes so much to society, really. So we see it as a whole, you know, sort of sector, that's where you really important, I was a lot more interested in the broader trends and, and changes happening, not only in the philanthropy, sort of ecosystem, but I think in the broader space around that, you know, there's this evolution around how people and investors, you know, sort of, we'll look at how they allocate capital. So obviously, this, you know, sort of growing trend around like ESG investing, but then also impact investing and, you know, sort of what opportunities there are around impact investing, and what that means really, what does that mean for not for profits? Yeah, there's all sorts of innovative ways to, you know, sort of allocate capital and move finance to do good. And I've connected with dashing who's the founder of Maanch, and she was just starting to, you know, sort of grow mind, she'd only just launched the idea of mind and, and asked me to come and join her, which was really amazing. And I came over in a heartbeat. And what we really are trying to achieve is quite like audacious. At launch, we see ourselves as enabling the United Nations Sustainable Development Goals. So we really do see how technology can play a huge role in turning the dial on the biggest challenges that we have in the world to do. So. So what we what we do at Maanch, is we really sort of, you know, work across the impact ecosystem. And by that we mean, we work in the for profit space, as well as the not for profit space, to really help, you know, sort of all of our clients, first of all, I guess, understand what their impact is. And when we talk about impacts, that means obviously, potentially positive and negative impact, you know, having a really clear picture of what what your outputs are in the world, and then really helping them to sort of think about how they can, you know, sort of improve on that, potentially, and also, then how they can articulate what their impact is, and be able to sort of track and report on impact. And I think, you know, why those sort of why the tracking and reporting piece is really important is because if we, if you can't, you know, sort of measure it, and you can't really understand it, then how can you really tell you know what, what you're actually achieving? So you know, that's really important. And that's obviously where, you know, the technology comes in. That was so much.

And I have to keep saying, I mean, it's so much goodness, and the journey is so interesting to me. And I have to tell you, I just am picturing little 10 year old cn like in South Africa, who is on the front lines of watching history being made and feeling in like something within you like I want to be a part of this, I am seeing something really important. And then the full circle nature of having Nelson Mandela at your graduation at the time where you're about to just jump into your life, into your career into the things that matter. And it's just such a wholesome, wonderful journey. And I love seeing that it started with you at such a young age.

One of the things that really excited me about this conversation is really to get to start exploring how the UN organized priorities and the Sustainable Development Goals. And you know, we talk about an impact uprising on our show all the time, our vision is to lift the sales and get more people connected to philanthropy on every side of that equation. And I love that they were bold enough to put a timeline with it, to put a ton of metrics with it, and to just really step into a scary space to say there's so much need, but we can't move forward until we get organized or make meaningful impact. You know, kind of piggybacking on what you just said. So would you kind of share a little bit about that. This is the first time we've really explored this on the podcast. So really some ground some background on it, and then how do you use those as your roadmap?

Yeah, absolutely. So the UN Sustainable Development Goals are really, you know, sort of the way we see it, it's a blueprint to achieve a better and more sustainable future for all and they're not poor. Perfect, because I guess, you know, sort of a lot of people think, well, it's a kind of government level, you know, blueprint. But actually, when you look at the goals, I mean, these are really global goals that are, they provide this framework of the biggest challenges, you know, that we do face as humanity. And also, they've actually been agreed to already at a country level, which is really helpful. So they recognized, you know, on that really, you know, sort of high level, that these are key goals, which, which needs to be addressed. And also, you know, the sort of targets that they have underneath them, and indicators, which really are, I guess, you know, sort of almost those sort of impact metrics that you can tap into to see, okay, these are the small little, you know, challenges that we need to, we need to meet. But if you kind of take that step back and look at the goals from that perspective, you know, that's a good way to sort of start virtually every cause that philanthropists or foundation support are included in this ambitious scope of the SDGs. Because they encompass, you know, such a wide range of issues, which are economic, social, and environmental. So it's an opportunity to really affect the systemic change that we, you know, sort of are aiming for as, as this community, and also funders might find, and, and likewise, the not for profits will have to find that the SDGs can really help them frame issues, or their passion areas or cause areas. And also you can connect around certain cause areas with other changemakers, which means there's that ability to then you know, strengthen partnerships, and also communicate about your progress within that framework for greater impact. So that's, you know, sort of, I guess how we look at the SDGs as a bit of a linchpin, you know, sort of to achieving impact.

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I love that, can I just say this? I think what's powerful too, is that you said everybody fits into this. Yeah, and you know, these are the big causes, and we can link it up. And we're talking about clean water. For all we're talking about no poverty, all these kind of issues. I love that. It's just something that the nonprofit community is fragmented in so many ways. But this pulls us together to show the blueprint, it's so beautifully eloquently said so sorry to interrupt, but I just love that.

Oh, and I think you know, sort of, there's also the interconnection, then you know, sort of between some of the SDGs, which is also important, you can see a real cause alignment for, you know, sort of not for profits, achieving the SDGs, as you say, you know, they were created in 2015. And the goal is to reach them by 2030, it requires a lot more resource, then what is now being applied to them. And I think, you know, if we say, okay, it's a government thing, that's never, you know, that's just not going to happen, we know that we need more than, you know, sort of the kind of government allocation to achieve the goals we need private capital to And increasingly, you know, corporates are aligning themselves with SDGs. And looking at, you know, sort of how their activities or scaled the achievement of the SDGs in a positive way, as things currently stand out of the 17 SDGs. I've got a little sort of note here, only two targets are close to being delivered. So that's out of like 196 different targets. And those, yeah, eliminating preventable deaths amongst babies and children under the age of five, and ensuring that children are getting a primary education. So those are only two goals out of all of the other goals which are close to being achieved.

Wow. Well, and I just think about it through the lens of I mean, this was agreed upon in 2015. You could have never seen the effect of something like a global pandemic on this and you and you think about how that is almost amplified the need for this, but I do find hope, and just this movement towards social justice, and there's a huge move toward corporate social responsibility. And CSR has the ability in my mind to drastically affect this. And I think the thing that I love so much cn, is that monch hitched their wagon to this idea. And that was the beauty of it is that if we all have something to give, if we're in a nonprofit, and I look at these 17 indicators, and it's like, wow, we could we have so many nonprofits that we know locally, in our community who could plug in. And it's about shifting mindsets, to think, yes, we are serving our community in this way. But how do we pour into the big global community, and I really love the idea of everybody kind of elevating their thinking beyond my part of the world, and thinking about how does the mission help everybody. So I love that what monchi is doing, and PS, your marketing is beautiful, which really helps. I mean, it's really important, and it helps people understand and consume the data in a in a small bite sized piece. So thank you for for going into all of this, I really want to talk a little bit about areas of growth for organizations that are like in today's changing world. So we're moving, like from a case for support to more of a business case? Can you talk a little bit about that, and utilizing networking as part of value chain and all of that?

Yeah, absolutely. And just coming back to your comment around, obviously, how COVID and, and obviously, the climate emergency, exactly, massive, massive, I guess, you know, sort of global challenges, really, which have shone a light on society, and, and really also shone a light on, you know, sort of some of those deep, deep issues that we need to face. And I think, you know, what's really struck me has been that there is a will out there from individuals and organizations to help. That's not something that's lacking. But what is really, I think the challenge is that organizations or individuals often don't really sort of know where they can be the most effective, or what kind of intervention, you know, they could make. So I think that there's something around, you know, sort of how to make this easy for us, how do we present ourselves as not for profits. So I think there's something around, like framing the work that we do differently. And that means, you know, sort of having a bit of an impact focus. And definitely using a bit more of that sort of business case, language, it's about solving problem solving challenges that are common to all of us. And that's also why linking again, to the SDGs is really helpful. So you know, sort of showing like, this is what the problem is, this is you know, what the solution is, we are helping with the solution, and you can collaborate with us. And this is how we'll all win together, you know, sort of, if you if you join in us, so I think yeah, that's really sort of, I think, how do you think about things differently. And I think, again, they're the sort of networking piece and how, you know, not for profits are important partners, it is about putting themselves out, you know, sort of as valuable partners, again, in solving big challenges. So really inviting people or organizations to collaborate and, and, you know, sort of meet challenges together with all you know, sort of people that I've always known in the not for profits, community, everyone is so passionate about what they do. And I think, you know, that really comes through that authenticity and that belief, you know, in the work that that we're doing, and you know, sort of how it's going to help to affect change. And I think just, you know, sort of really bringing that passion with you. And you know, sort of when you're having those conversations, being confident in how you're helping to solve problems, and really, you know, sort of wanting to bring partners along the journey with you. And as you say, it's about like building a community. I think that's really, you know, sort of how we can how we can do this.

There's just so many things that just really resonate deeply with me with what you're saying. And I hear collaboration is such a key part of this, you know, and this season, more than anything, we've talked about dreaming big. I think that's a natural place to go after the last year is like, we're ready to get refocused to, like what are our dreams that we want to do beyond just daily survival, you know, or daily focus. And I think that, you know, you cast this net, that we can all get hooked into these bigger dreams that we're trying to advance. You know, I think it's easy to get really pulled down and mired in the detail and forget that we're subscribed to these bigger narratives that are playing and that just really excites me. And I think match lives in this really special place. I think of Becky and I spent our first five six how many years were you there at OSU foundation? Yeah, about six. I loved our mission there because it was about uniting donor and university. passions and priorities. And I always thought that was so good because it is about connecting passions with the priorities of, for them the institution here. And I feel like that's kind of the role that shall play here in the middle to is like figuring out what resonates with people, and finding out the most impactful way that they can plug in, through community giving, would you talk a little bit about your process of how you match people, and kind of serve as that matchmaker in between I love I love your work.

Thank you. Yeah, so I guess this is, you know, sort of also the important part of where the the power of technology comes in what we really try to do it mind shares, we want to try and answer some of the big challenges really, around the SDGs, obviously, but then also accessing them, what does that mean? That means using data, obviously, cleverly, to be able to really sort of articulate stories well, and and then create that space for, you know, sort of individuals and organizations to come together, what we're also trying to help achieve in making funders and not for profits, you know, sort of come together to solve these challenges is, is really to sort of help provide First of all, like effectiveness, funders want to know what they're achieving, they'd like to sort of have a sense that, you know, sort of, especially if they're giving big ticket donations, that it's actually you know, sort of doing something good. So this is where we create impact tracking and mapping bra technology. And again, this is in the context of the SDGs. So a globally, you know, sort of accepted framework ready. And then also making that data visible. And visual is really important and sort of keeping it in one place, we've got an open platform where it's easy for anyone to really kind of go onto the website, and they can find a not for profit, and they can kind of either search by SDG, or they can search by cause area, or they could search by saying, you know, we want to have the highest impact. And then you know, sort of, we've created all sorts of smart algorithms, which obviously link into the SDGs. And whether are the most needs, some charities will sort of pop up. So I think it's about you know, sort of using tech to make this radio really easy and look great. So that it's intuitive, and just really nice to use collaboration more broadly, is also a really interesting area that we we thinking of, since COVID, one of the welcome themes has been how there were so many stories of people coming together to help, you know, in the wake of COVID. And, you know, sort of we followed, we followed, you know, sort of as much as we could globally and try to track, I guess, you know, sort of data where we could, because what we were thinking was this is, you know, a huge opportunity to make a big change, maybe, and try and see if we can pioneer something around creating effective philanthropy, particularly, you know, sort of thinking about collaboration, we were given a grant, to create a dashboard, a collaborative giving dashboard, which we built sort of at the beginning of COVID. And what this does, is a cleverly kind of brought together all of this information, like we were, you know, sort of finding around all the different efforts, you know, sort of globally to give towards COVID relief, and basically what you can do, and I invite people to go and take a little look, it's still on our website. And what it allows you to do is really kind of you see a world map, and then you can see little sort of different colored dots all over. And if you sort of click on them, those are sort of projects, which were providing relief. So either long term or short term relief, and all different types of interventions. And the idea is really to be able to then show, you know, where the gaps are. So where is there the greatest need, what hasn't been funded? Because we were hearing a lot about what was being funded, but what wasn't being funded? And where, you know, where did we need to, you know, sort of make an intervention. And we were really so proud because this innovation was recognized by World Economic Forum as a COVID innovation. So we still, you know, kind of in conversations about how we can sort of scale this and do some do some more good with this. And it's kind of led to other conversations around collaborative giving, because, again, you know, big challenges are going to need big interventions. And we know that if people come together to give, they're likely to be able to give more, and also learn more from each other, and also just be more impactful. So this is thinking about how can technology help support all of that, to enable the kind of the question like if you had a billion dollars, where would you put it, to know that you're going to have the greatest impact

I want to compliment you on a couple things. Because one, the thing that I think is so smart and clever that monchi has done that I think anybody listening could take away and put in their own playbook is you started with impact. I think so many people put their goals up, they go to their budget, they're trying to work through KPIs, and it's like, whoa, whoa, no, like mancia saying, here's what we're trying to impact. And we're going to back into what we want the impact to be with our goals with our KPIs. And your organization is so gentle and kind about connecting, and about networking, and about listening, and your ability to just listen and then gently put somebody's hand together with another person who's doing the same thing. It's just an incredible masterclass on how you can Network for Good. I'm just clearly like emoting all over this beautiful company that is extremely humble, but doing your work so well. And I have to think just with your passion, cn, you must have an incredible story or to a philanthropy that you had that has resonated and stayed with you. I wonder if there's one that sticks out that you would share with our community?

Yeah, this is a really good question. One thing that really kind of, has, I guess, you know, sort of especial for me, it's more around like that going into, like the sort of almost like just that nature or the value around philanthropy. And, and it was really sort of sweet. It was with my little daughter, who was two and a half years old at the time. And we were, we were in Ireland, for a family wedding. And we were going to go back to the room to get ready. And we kind of thought, bought a few little bits and pieces, like just to eat, you know, while we were getting ready. And as we were walking back to our hotel, there was this old man who was begging and sort of just, you know, sitting on the street corner, and my daughter was like, Oh, why is he there? And, you know, sort of why is he sitting there? And you know, Where's his mommy waste Daddy, Where's his home, like, asking all these questions, and, and then she was like, he's probably hungry. And then she was like, we've got food. And like, she said, we can give him my pastor, my pastor, we came, you know, wants you to give it to him. This is the like, you know, pasta salad that we bought. And, and I kind of thought, you know, it was, you know, it was just a little thing, and it was really sweet. But then actually, she really remembered it and like, kind of, you know, she's still even remembers it and like, sort of talks about it. And you know, sort of whenever we see, you know, so anyone like she's always like, we can give them something, can't we Mommy, and I think that's really, you know, sort of in someone so young, I think that's amazing, you know, sort of just having that inherent, and that's what gives me hope is when you think like, you know, if a child, you know sort of can acknowledge when there's a need and want to do something, and it's something small, I think, you know, sort of that's really beautiful.

I love that evolve, the stories scene could have told about the global impact that she had, she talks about the one that is closest to her. It's the gift of pasta, I mean, I have I have to share, like a similar story that happened to me, and I'm sorry if I'm taking over this, but I just I think that there is something to the child, like, need to want to protect to have everybody be on the exact same playing field because I went to my daughter's kindergarten class one year. And it was the what what did mommy and daddy's do and so we had like the police officer and the doctor. And then I come in, like as a fundraiser and I'm thinking they're not gonna understand this at all. And so we you know, I turn the conversation into like giving that I help people give. And so we did this little I did this, like little social experiment with these 25 kindergarteners. And I brought these three mason jars. And one had a picture of a puppy on it. One had a picture of a baby and one had a picture of a house on it. And I thought I'm going to give all of these kindergarteners to $1 bills. And I'm going to have them give and I had local charities you know, that help animals that help babies that help the homeless, but the house was the homeless. And in my mind, I thought these little kindergarteners are going to give all to the dogs like they love puppies, especially my children. And so I explain all three and I'm explaining that I didn't give you $3 because we have to make tough choices sometimes about who's going to get my money. And I was completely shocked. We did the exercise and then we talked about it you need an exercise took a minute, the vast majority of money went to the homeless shelter. And I remember this was such a pivotal moment in my life too as you're talking About your child. And I'm asking them why they did that. And they could not imagine not having a bed. Like that was what they couldn't get past. And I just remember this little girl looking up at me. And this is one of these pivotal moments in my life. And she says, what you're doing is so important. And I got the five year old gets it, why? Why don't adults get it. And I do think there's a lesson here for anyone listening, if you are pouring into a nonprofit, through your work, through your volunteerism, through your gifts, your work is really important. And we talk about us, you know, we're talking about these, these goals from the UN. And they're so big, and they seem so unattainable and audacious. But if we look at it from a childlike perspective, that we can all do a little something to put our $1 in the mason jar and help somebody, if everybody did that, we could affect global change on these levels. So thank you for distilling your work down to the child like piece, because I think there is something to that. I agree.

And they would not view it. That is the government's problem, right? nonprofits problem, it's like we would all want to contribute to this. So I just think

we all wanted to sleep in a bed, that the proverbial bed, whatever that is, that was a great story. Thank

you seeing and I love, you know, one of our core values is playing the long game. And I just think of that with your daughter to have like how you pointed out that that is something she keeps coming back to and I'm like we're growing philanthropy can grow philanthropists and our family and the way that we raise our kids and how we interact with others. So thank you for that. That was very centering for all of us.

Thank you. And I mean, it can be overwhelming thinking about really big challenges. And I think, you know, sort of trying to just take a step back and you know, struggles to keep things simple and think about like, inherent human nature. Yeah.

Oh, that's beautiful. Okay, well, we tend to in all of our interviews with one of our favorite questions, which is one of what is your one good thing. But I have to brag on you one more time before I kick it to you. Because when you get to email cn, which I've actually not personally got to do yet, but our producer Julie has, your email signature is literally taking off the world's to do list. And I just love Oh my gosh, honestly, when I copy it, I just we were geeking out on that before we got on the call. And I just think, again, how centering how simple simple of putting the mission and why we are doing what we're doing your impact right in front of us. So that is my one good thing from you. So I want to implement that today. So I thank you for that. But I'd love it to kick it to you, what's your one good thing, maybe a piece of advice, a good habit or something that we could do today?

Okay, I think it kind of goes back to almost like sort of trying to keep keep keep things sort of simple. And also keep learning and be curious. I think, you know, that's really, you know, sort of, if you get inward focus, then that's when you kind of lose out on opportunities. And I think that little gestures, you know, sort of that you can do within your own power are the most important things. And it's even like making an introduction, which could sometimes that could just be one thing that could change, you know, sort of so many lives for for the better, like just making an introduction. So there's something about like, kind of going with you're going with your gut. And and yeah, just trying to keep things a bit simple.

I'm not at all surprised that cn would talk about connection, and like the Munch Queen would talk about how do you leverage network because that it really does bring more people to the table when you do that. So that was a great one good thing. how can listeners connect with you see? And how can they pour into what you're building? What mancia is building, how they can pull pour into all of these un Sustainable Development Goals. We want to know where you are on social hook us up?

Right? Yeah. So look for look for Maanch. So that's m double A NCH. Follow us on LinkedIn, follow us on Twitter, follow us on Instagram, and just look us up also, you know, sort of get in touch with us, you know, reach out to us. We love chatting to people and you know, sort of hearing about what you're trying to achieve. And hopefully we can connect you with with others within our community. And also, yeah, you know, sort of linking to me if you want to have a chat. I don't think there are many CNX holdings out there.

Thank you so much for spending the time with us and inspiring us today.

Thank you so much. It's been a real joy. And you know, people do want to you know, sort of we like to amplify good, you know, good things out there. So if you connect to us, we can help you amplify what you're doing, you know, sort of all that good social that you're talking about. We really get our inspiration from our community. So yeah,

this has been a Amazing thank you so much Have a good one.

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