was just amazing, you know, sort of the energy and, you know, feeling how things were, you know, sort of just changing when I went to university, I felt like, law would be a really good, you know, sort of Korea, you know, sort of thinking about how to implement change. And that was were a good grounding, obviously, in human rights, you know, sort of, in South Africa really sort of came into my early career. And I was actually lucky enough to have I mean, just going back a little bit, Nelson Mandela was at my graduation ceremony, not for me, of course. I would have been, that would have been incredible, but he was there, because one of his colleagues was receiving an honorary doctorate. And it was a surprise for all of us. And it was just so amazing. He really kind of made an effort to pretty much time congratulate everyone who was there, you know, he was obviously already there. You know, For his, for his friends. So, yeah, you know, it was such a brilliant time really in South Africa. And I felt like I wanted to just sort of spread my wings, I guess and and, you know, sort of see if there was some other interesting opportunity I could get into in Europe and I didn't really have much of a plan, it was more like, well, let's just go and sort of figure things out, I worked then more in a sort of like, you know, family office environment with, you know, sort of a handful of wealthy families and, you know, sort of helped on trusts and some of their philanthropy. But I kind of had that sense, again, of wanting to, you know, really get really dive in and, you know, sort of get into the, into the third sector, and we're just talking about, you know, the third sector, that's how we talk about the sort of not for profit space, and here in the UK, because it contributes so much to society, really. So we see it as a whole, you know, sort of sector, that's where you really important, I was a lot more interested in the broader trends and, and changes happening, not only in the philanthropy, sort of ecosystem, but I think in the broader space around that, you know, there's this evolution around how people and investors, you know, sort of, we'll look at how they allocate capital. So obviously, this, you know, sort of growing trend around like ESG investing, but then also impact investing and, you know, sort of what opportunities there are around impact investing, and what that means really, what does that mean for not for profits? Yeah, there's all sorts of innovative ways to, you know, sort of allocate capital and move finance to do good. And I've connected with dashing who's the founder of Maanch, and she was just starting to, you know, sort of grow mind, she'd only just launched the idea of mind and, and asked me to come and join her, which was really amazing. And I came over in a heartbeat. And what we really are trying to achieve is quite like audacious. At launch, we see ourselves as enabling the United Nations Sustainable Development Goals. So we really do see how technology can play a huge role in turning the dial on the biggest challenges that we have in the world to do. So. So what we what we do at Maanch, is we really sort of, you know, work across the impact ecosystem. And by that we mean, we work in the for profit space, as well as the not for profit space, to really help, you know, sort of all of our clients, first of all, I guess, understand what their impact is. And when we talk about impacts, that means obviously, potentially positive and negative impact, you know, having a really clear picture of what what your outputs are in the world, and then really helping them to sort of think about how they can, you know, sort of improve on that, potentially, and also, then how they can articulate what their impact is, and be able to sort of track and report on impact. And I think, you know, why those sort of why the tracking and reporting piece is really important is because if we, if you can't, you know, sort of measure it, and you can't really understand it, then how can you really tell you know what, what you're actually achieving? So you know, that's really important. And that's obviously where, you know, the technology comes in. That was so much.