My name is Tim Villegas from the Maryland Coalition for Inclusive Education and you are listening to think inclusive, a show where with every conversation, we tried to build bridges between families, educators, and disability rights advocates to create a shared understanding of inclusive education and what inclusion looks like in the real world. You can learn more about who we are and what we do at MCI e.org. For this episode, I speak with Katie Novak, an internationally renowned education consultant, author, graduate instructor at the University of Pennsylvania and a former assistant superintendent of schools in Massachusetts.