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RUNEUAI 5-2 Explaining Trello and Flickr DX
Bernie Goldbach
00:00To co as well on this,
Bernie Goldbach
00:20Stephanie, you're in a postdoc program. Once your postdoctoral program, what did you say? I don't understand, right? Are you in a PhD research program?
Stephanie
00:35No, not in a PhD I make my master. I make my master in informat, in economy, informatic,
Bernie Goldbach
00:42okay, yeah, I just want to make sure we're relevant. We're giving you some tools that you can use the program that you're on. I'm trying to localize a lot of the content. So if there is something along the way, you say, look, go deeper into this area, then we need to do that.
Stephanie
00:59Okay, yeah,
Bernie Goldbach
01:03mentioning before you join the call. Repetition is important so people know which tools are available and what they might want to practice. But sometimes people get a favorite tool and they know how it works, and they maybe pay for it, and then everything gets better over time, but I'm sure that people are comfortable using the tools at the end of the call that most of you left. Myself and almedina were using the Edge browser to go to gemini.google.com, I don't know almedina, if you're able to actually get the result I got. So I was able to find the Google Drive using the service,
Stephanie
01:44but for me, was very difficult to find the Gemini I make. Now, the apple for the Gemini, it's not working for me, okay? And I use the Chrome also, and it's not working, so I make the album okay.
Bernie Goldbach
02:03What we did in the what I did with almedina, I'm not sure this may not work for you, but what I did in almedina is I went to the Edge browser just to prove it would work in another browser, and then I typed in the URL, gemini.google.com, mm, and then I asked the question, you know, I asked it to look at the put into the prompt, the question about the summarize, the Google Drive. I gave it a URL, and it did it.
Stephanie
02:35Yes. Now it works. Now it works. Yeah, no,
Bernie Goldbach
02:38just a matter of just testing these things, because next week it might not work. I mean, these are free services, so sometimes, for load balancing, they stop parts of the facility from working for people at different places of the world. It's just the way it is, and we're trying to use things that are free, that can that do work and that provide us information that we need. So that's what we're doing. We'll wait a few more minutes for a few other people to come in. But what I wanted to do is try to use the Gemini tool again, look at another place that we have and explore it. So while when if a few more people come on, Hiram, if you would let them on, let them in. I'm going to the meantime, I'm going to browse across, and I'll use the same place that I was on before. So what I'll do is I'll go across into my edge browser. That's the Microsoft browser. There's my Gemini. Look looking at it, and I'm going to ask it. It's asking me, What shall we do today? And I'm going to ask Gemini, please look at please summarize the contents you find in the URL. And I'm going to ask it to summarize the place where I want people to go and put content. It's called the digital transformation. And produce, I don't know if I can do this and produce a list of the three most prominent hyperlinks in this you are collection of.
Bernie Goldbach
04:41So I'm asking it to look at the URL, flickr.com, forward slash groups, forward slash digital transformation. I want that the you put the service to come back with three most prominent hyperlinks that it finds. We'll see if you can do it. This is an open URL. I mean, there's no password required to go in. I was unable to retrieve it. Wow. How about that? About that? Okay, then let's try the same thing.
Bernie Goldbach
05:24In perplexity. Let's see if it knows perplexity. Oops, what's happening? Okay, still wants to do me. Still wants to do comment to me. I downloaded this already. Stop. It.
hiramb
05:47It's just
Bernie Goldbach
05:50All 
right, welcome to comment. Get out of me. Okay, perplexity, please, let me do my thing. Please summarize the content should find in this place. Let's have a look. We will do it so it can do it for whatever reason. So it's finding that the most prominent links are member profiles and this photos of the user. Okay, prominent links related list I'm going to show the three most common External links that are shared. Didn't find it directly available, so can't fetch it, but it's telling me how I might be able to do it with the service called Python. Maybe don't want to do that. I want to do what is the most
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right, welcome to comment. Get out of me. Okay, perplexity, please, let me do my thing. Please summarize the content should find in this place. Let's have a look. We will do it so it can do it for whatever reason. So it's finding that the most prominent links are member profiles and this photos of the user. Okay, prominent links related list I'm going to show the three most common External links that are shared. Didn't find it directly available, so can't fetch it, but it's telling me how I might be able to do it with the service called Python. Maybe don't want to do that. I want to do what is the most Bernie Goldbach
06:51say, 
most common topic discussed? Okay, good. Wants me to continue with Google, so see if it'll let me do Google get in with my Google so now it find me. I have a capability with Google Pro, perplexity Pro, which may give me a better answer. Okay, I'll go back to the original question. Okay, here we go. Please. Summarize the URL. Don't want that just
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most common topic discussed? Okay, good. Wants me to continue with Google, so see if it'll let me do Google get in with my Google so now it find me. I have a capability with Google Pro, perplexity Pro, which may give me a better answer. Okay, I'll go back to the original question. Okay, here we go. Please. Summarize the URL. Don't want that just Bernie Goldbach
07:35trying 
to get information about this most summarize the most discussed material. It's just okay. This is good. Now, main discussion themes. Now, the reason this is important is because you're going to get academic credit for discussing things relevant to digital transformation. So people in the group are already talking about how they integrate and how they use digital tools, new work and personal routines, how they have experienced challenges, how they are sharing examples and deep studies and then so, so all this stuff is available inside that group. Now I use perplexity, and I had to sign into perplexity to get this answer back. Previously, when I was asking perplexity and asking. They weren't letting me do it. They weren't giving me really good information back. And I had to, kind of, I had to go into a pro account for them to give me information back that was relevant. That's the way the game is sometimes played. So typically, what I what I do is I use services on my phone which knows my logins and any logins that I have that have paid accounts, and I don't encounter any of this friction. But that's just me with experience since 2023 of using things for the shortest amount of runway to get a takeoff and get into the situation of where I want to be when you're just starting out and you're trying to figure out what works best for you, and maybe you're toggling between a workstation in the office and a laptop at home and a phone in the middle, trying to get the flow so You spend the least amount of time getting frustrated, is all part of the process. And like, I'm not injecting additional hassle for you, I'm just saying I I know the feeling of frustration you may encounter, so that's why there's five different AI tools I want to expose you to, and they're all free. Can pay for all of them. Of course, they're all free. So on some hours, you may go from one to the other because somebody's preventing you from seeing the information that just a day ago would have let you get in and see the information. Okay, so for the purpose of the next 15 minutes, I would like you to use a tool, whatever you want to use, to interrogate that URL, and I'll put it into the Zoom chat. It's the URL that takes you into the space. It's URL that takes you into the space of the Google digital transformation group. So I'll stick it into the chat. It's flickr.com and it's Flickr without it, without an E, F, l, I, C, K, r.com, forward slash groups, forward slash digital transformation. And what everyone's going to need to do before the end of October is put an image up there which should relate to themselves, or could be the selfie you made, or to some workflow you're attacking or want to solve, you need to put a caption, a title on the image, relevant to the image and what you're going to write, and then a caption of, normally three paragraphs that explains more about what it is, about creating practical workflows in AI that has You interested in this transformative process that'll be worth five marks on the module has to get done by the end of October, and I'll be bugging people about it to the point where even now we could set aside time and do it, but I'm just saying, let's do a baby step first, which is trying to figure it out whether it might be possible To borrow somebody else's work, giving them credit for it, as you conceptualize what you would write that would fit you into the space called the Flickr digital transformation group. So back to my sample. What I recommend, what I'm asking you to do, I'll show you in the slideshow, is recognize the fact that portion of what we're doing is information that's shared in a runny in runny, you using the Flickr digital transformation group as the public space we're sharing information. So you need to know where to go that's in the Zoom chat. I want you to ask some AI, and I prefer you to try to use Gemini, since it's the thing that is a focus of tonight to see, can you make Gemini work in this what should be a free and open URL? So he asked Gemini, summarize what's in here and then find something relevant to what is in that space that you might be able to reuse or identify with what I asked. I asked it for things about, well, what are people talking about, or what are the three most common links, or the three most discussed topic? And I got those pieces of information back, and that's already in my Gemini chat, so I can grab it and use it in your case, if you think, oh, you know what's in there already because you scrolled it. Okay, ask Gemini to cross, cross, collaborate that you know, corroborate it, and then go deep, maybe a little bit deeper. And if your immediate concern is as a research assistant or as an office manager or as a program support, as a person who's responsible for supporting a specific program with that has digital outputs, Word documents or spreadsheets. Well, then ask Gemini to find out from that Google, that flicker group, if anyone else has done that same kind of thing. And then those people that are in that Google, in that flicker group, they have done stuff with farming, police protection, teaching, service, provision. You know they were providing really interesting occupation. So it's a exceptionally wide cross section of people in mid career employment that are that put stuff in that group saying, this is how I'm transforming my work, and this is how technology is helping me elevate my ability do the work better, more efficiently and more collaboratively. So I appreciate if you bang into it and look at it. So Maria, you've actually even shared your result already. Okay? Gold, Sara, so you're looking at a URL, you came back with very good,
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to get information about this most summarize the most discussed material. It's just okay. This is good. Now, main discussion themes. Now, the reason this is important is because you're going to get academic credit for discussing things relevant to digital transformation. So people in the group are already talking about how they integrate and how they use digital tools, new work and personal routines, how they have experienced challenges, how they are sharing examples and deep studies and then so, so all this stuff is available inside that group. Now I use perplexity, and I had to sign into perplexity to get this answer back. Previously, when I was asking perplexity and asking. They weren't letting me do it. They weren't giving me really good information back. And I had to, kind of, I had to go into a pro account for them to give me information back that was relevant. That's the way the game is sometimes played. So typically, what I what I do is I use services on my phone which knows my logins and any logins that I have that have paid accounts, and I don't encounter any of this friction. But that's just me with experience since 2023 of using things for the shortest amount of runway to get a takeoff and get into the situation of where I want to be when you're just starting out and you're trying to figure out what works best for you, and maybe you're toggling between a workstation in the office and a laptop at home and a phone in the middle, trying to get the flow so You spend the least amount of time getting frustrated, is all part of the process. And like, I'm not injecting additional hassle for you, I'm just saying I I know the feeling of frustration you may encounter, so that's why there's five different AI tools I want to expose you to, and they're all free. Can pay for all of them. Of course, they're all free. So on some hours, you may go from one to the other because somebody's preventing you from seeing the information that just a day ago would have let you get in and see the information. Okay, so for the purpose of the next 15 minutes, I would like you to use a tool, whatever you want to use, to interrogate that URL, and I'll put it into the Zoom chat. It's the URL that takes you into the space. It's URL that takes you into the space of the Google digital transformation group. So I'll stick it into the chat. It's flickr.com and it's Flickr without it, without an E, F, l, I, C, K, r.com, forward slash groups, forward slash digital transformation. And what everyone's going to need to do before the end of October is put an image up there which should relate to themselves, or could be the selfie you made, or to some workflow you're attacking or want to solve, you need to put a caption, a title on the image, relevant to the image and what you're going to write, and then a caption of, normally three paragraphs that explains more about what it is, about creating practical workflows in AI that has You interested in this transformative process that'll be worth five marks on the module has to get done by the end of October, and I'll be bugging people about it to the point where even now we could set aside time and do it, but I'm just saying, let's do a baby step first, which is trying to figure it out whether it might be possible To borrow somebody else's work, giving them credit for it, as you conceptualize what you would write that would fit you into the space called the Flickr digital transformation group. So back to my sample. What I recommend, what I'm asking you to do, I'll show you in the slideshow, is recognize the fact that portion of what we're doing is information that's shared in a runny in runny, you using the Flickr digital transformation group as the public space we're sharing information. So you need to know where to go that's in the Zoom chat. I want you to ask some AI, and I prefer you to try to use Gemini, since it's the thing that is a focus of tonight to see, can you make Gemini work in this what should be a free and open URL? So he asked Gemini, summarize what's in here and then find something relevant to what is in that space that you might be able to reuse or identify with what I asked. I asked it for things about, well, what are people talking about, or what are the three most common links, or the three most discussed topic? And I got those pieces of information back, and that's already in my Gemini chat, so I can grab it and use it in your case, if you think, oh, you know what's in there already because you scrolled it. Okay, ask Gemini to cross, cross, collaborate that you know, corroborate it, and then go deep, maybe a little bit deeper. And if your immediate concern is as a research assistant or as an office manager or as a program support, as a person who's responsible for supporting a specific program with that has digital outputs, Word documents or spreadsheets. Well, then ask Gemini to find out from that Google, that flicker group, if anyone else has done that same kind of thing. And then those people that are in that Google, in that flicker group, they have done stuff with farming, police protection, teaching, service, provision. You know they were providing really interesting occupation. So it's a exceptionally wide cross section of people in mid career employment that are that put stuff in that group saying, this is how I'm transforming my work, and this is how technology is helping me elevate my ability do the work better, more efficiently and more collaboratively. So I appreciate if you bang into it and look at it. So Maria, you've actually even shared your result already. Okay? Gold, Sara, so you're looking at a URL, you came back with very good, Maria O'Brien
14:11okay, Gemini might be able to but it said it doesn't extract real time activities. So it's making an educated guess, I suppose.
Bernie Goldbach
14:26Well, go, can you share that? You share the screen? Okay, because I looked at it and I would modify that so you should share. Pop, pop that URL, share the screen. Walk through by showing us what the screen's saying. I could potentially offer you a follow up prompt. But can you, can you share screen? Is that possible,
Maria O'Brien
14:46trying to find my if I have share screen on
Bernie Goldbach
14:51the bottom, it should be a green arrow,
Maria O'Brien
14:54share. Yep.
Bernie Goldbach
15:07Me, Maria, did? She simply asked to share screen. You just asked the device to share it so unable to extract. Got the group's nature, yeah, primary contributions. Okay, so not can you ask Gemini for follow ups. Like, is anybody in the group discussing and then put some of like the thing you did, anyone discussing image, image manipulation, improving photographs or designing posters. Can see if, I don't know if that's I know people were in that group that did that. I don't know if they post anything about it, we see that stuff you're doing in your job. So let's see what
Bernie Goldbach
15:51this would save you a lot of time scrolling. Get the answer. Now, Google itself is looking
Stephanie
15:58all right, yeah, it's kind
Maria O'Brien
16:00of saying the same thing here again, as the live content of the group's discussion board is not publicly indexed.
Bernie Goldbach
16:09Okay, it's looking for Public Index. Okay, okay, okay, all right. Then ask us specifically, has, is there a user called Peter Grogan in this group? Stephen knows that. I doubt he used his name, sir, a user called Peter Grogan, because he's a videographer. I
Almudena
16:43Oh yeah,
Bernie Goldbach
16:45okay, okay, okay, so
Maria O'Brien
16:46publicly indexed. It's not scraping. It's so Bernie, from the looks of it got
Bernie Goldbach
16:51it, even though it does scrape individual images, I know that. Okay, fair enough. Yeah, okay, it's a limitation. Now, two months ago, I asked chat GPT and maybe someone else on this call can do this. I asked chat GPT the same kind of questions and asked it. I want a summary of the five most commonly discussed topics in this group. Please produce hypertext reference. Hyperlink references to the summaries and create a PDF output no more than two pages long, with summaries documented. And it did it. So things have changed in two months time, I got a PDF from a chat GPT request. So I don't know if anyone else on this call wants to attempt that using chat GPT because I was trying to focus on just perplexity and Google Gemini tonight, and I'm running into more constraints with those two services than I would have expected. But you need to know that you have these tools that are available. And if one doesn't work and you hit a wall, you shouldn't stop right there. Try a second tool and then ITER, iterate it with it. Okay, see what happens. I would even use there's a code you can use in a Google search so you type in the word like Canva in the Google search bar site colon. So I should try this and see what happens, and just to make the point, so go to Gemini. I'm inside Chrome. So what I'll do is I'll go across to google.com, right here, search Google. So I'll search for the word Canva, and I'll use site colon flicker.
Bernie Goldbach
18:55See 
that knows that? Oh, okay, didn't match. Didn't find it. Okay. So points, you're right. It didn't index the freaking thing. It doesn't think it's an indexed it so Canva, site, groups,
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that knows that? Oh, okay, didn't match. Didn't find it. Okay. So points, you're right. It didn't index the freaking thing. It doesn't think it's an indexed it so Canva, site, groups, Almudena
19:40your names, these are
Bernie Goldbach
19:53not all the images from the Google transformation, the group called Flickr digital transformation. Some of them might be
Bernie Goldbach
20:08they're not. So it has not actually, it has found the thing called, yep. This is from the group Stephanie was a former student, so she put that up. And
Bernie Goldbach
20:28there's probably a few other images inside of this. Let's see what that is. Nope, that's from almirah. It's a group, all right. So the point is, some of those images in the Google digital transformation group are indexed, but Gemini is not aware of the fact they came from a group. They are aware they came from a person. So back to the Peter Grogan thing. If I knew his username. I'll bet I could find his image that he might have put up about Photoshop or Canva or Premier Pro. All right, I am disappointed that my tool cannot summarize, cannot answer the questions that are in my slide presentation. So what I would do, you know, if someone was paying me for that result, and then I would, what I do is I would use another tool to bang at it to get a result from it. Because, I mean, I would be curious, since I'm asking you to post in that group, what in the world is in that group. Now you can scroll it and read it and figure it out, but an AI would do a high level view of it for you, and say, here's what we think is in there. And if you ask a follow on question, give me the links to that to include key terms and URLs and maybe even usernames that could probably do that for you. So it's easier to do the job called please put an image up that outlines your interest in a workflow that you want to change for practical results using AI into that group, it's easier for you to do by looking at what somebody else did and said, yeah, just like Stephanie, the teacher, I want to, you know, go up the ladder of digital skills and digital transformation by leveraging AI, I don't
Maria O'Brien
22:22know, yeah, I got Peter Grogan in chat GPT. I just the prompt I used was list the activities of this group. The link is there, and mentioned in particular Peter grogan's contribution, and it gave a brief overview of the group, and then he found it said it found one concrete instance of Peter Grogan. He has a photograph titled The rise of the scintographer. Yeah, he's a commercial photographer.
Bernie Goldbach
22:56Yeah, probably didn't do anything on Canva, but nonetheless, he's there, and he's using his real name, that's interesting. Okay, yeah, yeah, he's a good guy. Peter was in a previous course I taught, and he actually produced content for the module, content for the course that he shot at the at Everest base camp. So like really interesting videographer with with high level technical skill, and he just approached the challenge of AI, trying to figure out, can AI take his job? And he was pretty convinced, after coming down from MD Everest, that I wouldn't. And he was also trying to use AI in the earliest versions of Sara to do a shot, a drone shot over a piece of really interesting landscape in Ireland, and the AI messed it up, couldn't, couldn't stay with the prompt, and continuity was really bad, and the image lacked authenticity and realism anyway. The point is, he was convinced I'm good, but he's using AI to improve his post production, storyboard development and accelerate the time it takes, decelerate, accelerate the simple work that he can produce for clients. So Peter would rarely take a client but pay some less than 3000 euro a week. That's his client. But you got to keep pitching clients that give you 15 to 20,000 euro per gig. So you can get your 3000 euro a week. But on the back of that 3000 he's got to fly in places like Nepal, you know, and go deep into Africa. But it's really interesting how he's using AI for little slices of his work. He feels guilty when he doesn't hire someone to haul his bags and junior photographers to do some stuff with the second or third camera, and he keeps hiring staff, but he's interested in that staff being able to know how to quickly use AI without cheapening the high resolution that the cameras shoot, and without discrediting the cinematography required to get the perfect shot. So clever and you folks should be in the same thought space figured out. You know, how can I do this, do my job faster, improve my practical skills, and then know which tool to use out of my toolbox to get the result. I am disappointed that we can't get a quick result on the insights from Flickr group, because a month ago, we could, when I tested this, but that is the way this thing works. Okay, I'm going to show a couple other things here in this slide deck that'll take me to the end, because it mentions, I think some people that are in the call, I need to get some stuff for the next few weeks lined up. Okay, so I am interested knowing this so far, what is the most important thing tonight that this session is talking, folks, could you throw it in the chat for me? Is there something that you say, All right, it's things don't always work right, or it's okay. Complexity might be okay. Bullet chat. GPT is still my buddy. Is there something a major reveal that I can put to the group next week, primarily people who aren't here. I could tell them in an email, Hey, look, this is some of the stuff shared by people who were here. Yeah. So interesting. Gemini integrated, but most people, many people, had a problem with integration Gemini with Google Drive, which is a total upset for me, I'm going to have to prove to you that copilot can maybe do it better. If I move the entire copy, the entire collection in Gemini, in google drive over to OneDrive, and we'll see whether copilot can be our buddy next week with it. Yeah, without paying for Gemini, it still works with What do you mean? It's used indirectly. Hiram, it's used indirectly on
hiramb
27:11the way, the way you open up another browser tab and ask Gemini, look at this, and then you share this the drive.
Bernie Goldbach
27:19Okay, all right, that's good. Yeah, Maddie, please do not leave this particular course without knowing the names of at least five AI tools that you trust and then like Grace Leon was saying, know which one might be the most pernicious about your identity. That's why I've got five different Gmail addresses and I have, I kind of keep them sequestered in different accounts. So that's, it's hard for one AI to know everything about me. I mean, it's, I'm not worried about some gigantic reveal, but, like, it is stupid for an AI to know names, birthdays, favorite presence of all, my family, and that can happen based on how I search on, say, Amazon. So I'm not keen about all the AI's knowing that as well. It's just don't want them doing that. Yeah. Does anyone else want to add anything to the to the to the Zoom comment, because I know, David, you're on the call still, aren't you? Yeah. Could you add something like, I want to know, like the thing that was made it worthwhile to this point of listening to the last hour and 15 minutes. Is there anything else you folks want to add to this, to this flow, feel free about popping it in there. What I'm going to do is I want to show you the next few slides, because there aren't many of them. And then I'm going to go across to another network called Trello, so that you know what might be there. So it is important to know what course materials are inside the Google Drive. It's tonight. Was the first time you looked at it. Okay, that's good, but just know that's there. There's a thing called the AI skills card, which I'll show you here in 
a minute. Some people started that. Most people on this call, I believe, have uploaded stuff, the avatar selfie. I need to have a selfie with you in it and a piece of food in it, because we need to use that for another session. And then start thinking about content to be added to the Flickr digital transformation group. That's an image, a title and a caption goes in that. All right, so Leti, I want to have you talk about chatgpt and David about napkin if you're here next week, okay, and I'll get Vanessa, hopefully she's here next week, and so is Eleanor. Isobels used Grammarly before well. So I want to show you, don't leave this call yet, show you into the transformation into the Trello group that I've set up. Now let me mention to you what we're doing with this as I show it to you. Several of you took a survey last week too. Was asking you about stuff you're using, and that's important that I can show you that as well. So now where are we? Trying to figure out where my Trello is not there we go. Okay, so you received 
something. You would have received a URL into this thing called Trello, into this area called the AI skills card, just to let you know, these are things that are inside of a syllabus that is part of this course. So you, most of you, have done an AI selfie from text and modify that selfie with contextual information added food. You're going to be producing all this stuff, a PDF that can be used as a legal document. So I'll be giving you a reference document. Say, here is what the registration of marks and patents need to have you file for the thing that you're creating. You'll take the still image and make a video of it. You'll make a slide deck about AI ethics. So you'll give an AI information about ethical use of AI, and then you'll tell it to make a slide deck of six main points. Use Gemini to harvest data concerning sustainable use of llms this may have to change so using Copilot to do that if Gemini, can't harvest it you use notebook, LM to summarize what the EU AI, Acts about you'll explain your workflow with a short AI produced video and you'll leverage.
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a minute. Some people started that. Most people on this call, I believe, have uploaded stuff, the avatar selfie. I need to have a selfie with you in it and a piece of food in it, because we need to use that for another session. And then start thinking about content to be added to the Flickr digital transformation group. That's an image, a title and a caption goes in that. All right, so Leti, I want to have you talk about chatgpt and David about napkin if you're here next week, okay, and I'll get Vanessa, hopefully she's here next week, and so is Eleanor. Isobels used Grammarly before well. So I want to show you, don't leave this call yet, show you into the transformation into the Trello group that I've set up. Now let me mention to you what we're doing with this as I show it to you. Several of you took a survey last week too. Was asking you about stuff you're using, and that's important that I can show you that as well. So now where are we? Trying to figure out where my Trello is not there we go. Okay, so you received +1
something. You would have received a URL into this thing called Trello, into this area called the AI skills card, just to let you know, these are things that are inside of a syllabus that is part of this course. So you, most of you, have done an AI selfie from text and modify that selfie with contextual information added food. You're going to be producing all this stuff, a PDF that can be used as a legal document. So I'll be giving you a reference document. Say, here is what the registration of marks and patents need to have you file for the thing that you're creating. You'll take the still image and make a video of it. You'll make a slide deck about AI ethics. So you'll give an AI information about ethical use of AI, and then you'll tell it to make a slide deck of six main points. Use Gemini to harvest data concerning sustainable use of llms this may have to change so using Copilot to do that if Gemini, can't harvest it you use notebook, LM to summarize what the EU AI, Acts about you'll explain your workflow with a short AI produced video and you'll leverage. Bernie Goldbach
32:13The Avatar, and he's done this, so I'm giving him credit. He would have been here tonight, and he would have moved us. So we moved him over there as well. So it's telling me I need to run after and Firoz, you've done it. I'm moving you. So good. So show me who isn't. And these, these folks here, aren't on the call tonight, so I can't bug them directly. Oh, here, helamar, you're on the call, aren't you? No, you're not. Okay, Hiram, you are. So you should be doing stuff if you want, Hiram, I'll give you a pass if you don't want to do it. So that's the story in thing called the AI skills card. Does anybody have a question about that board that that a that Trello board like what it represents, what you're doing in it, or, I mean, I'll take blowback from three people saying, I don't want to do this particular task, but these are all AI skills, which, in the past, people people have been able to leverage on the job for something practical they're doing. So that's why I've chosen these 10 skills. Also, they do require you to use a little bit sophistication with some specific tools to get the stuff done. And as we know tonight, maybe the AI video tool I give you won't work. So they're going to have to use a second or third tool. You'll get them all in 140 minute session, and you'll bang out a result, and everything will be fine if you need repetition for that. When you're in Portugal, you'll get the repetition, and you'll feel good about this. There's no reason why we couldn't do all 10 of the skills before Portugal. That's fact, and that's you know. And then in Portugal, look and see, did you write any of this down in a prompts notebook doing both of those things, 10 skills and the prompts notebook to 20 marks out of the 100 marks on the module. So I put it into checklist format, from to do, doing and done. That's a kanban format. And there is agentic AI that can be used behind the scenes to produce a dashboard that shows what percentage that the whole class is at, or what? Who's the leader of all the skills? So I'm building a little agentic look, visual data, representation of where people are and who's leading the pack. Any questions about what it is? Because I think everyone has joined that board, which is good
Almudena
34:31when we do the schemes. We put the documents in in the folder.
Bernie Goldbach
34:40Yeah, you can check it off as having been done as you did it. It should go into one of the folders in Google Drive. If you can't find out where to put it, just throw it there. But I would normally tell you where to put things. So when you do the video, because they put it in the o4 videos folder with your name as part of the file name. You know, I can see the name of the person who uploaded it, but when somebody else moves it, the file name and go the person's name, uploading it might go away. But I normally tell you, please put your work in this place which part of your name as one of the name port, one of the letters that are in the file name of it. So I'll tell you that. But as you do the task, you can tick them off. And then if I can't find the work, I'll ask you where to put it. And it's pretty simple. If you're confused about where to put it, just throw it up into the Google Drive that proves that you can see the Google Drive, and you can upload to Google Drive, which is important. So only about a buddy. People have used the Google Drive upload facility so far, but there's another eight that haven't, well, five that haven't, but I have to go after
Almudena
35:48i know i i have upload to me.
Bernie Goldbach
35:53Yeah. Yeah, good. So any any questions about that? Trello checklist function? Okay, Hiram, you asked about this before, like, where are we going, and all this stuff. So there'll be a second group of questions called Flickr digital transformation, saying, Here's task one. Here's task two, and there'll be a third thing to do called, I think prompt, snope. I can't remember. The third one is, so it's 40, it's, oh, that's the active. It's the it's the task that we'll be doing online together. So tell you break down like six things you have to do as part of an active learning session that spans about three of our online sessions. So it'll be a complex task, hard to do it without using several AI tools, working together with groups of hopefully three people in a group, and you accomplish the task, there can be different answers to the correct task accomplishment, because there's different ways of slicing a calendar or movements in this task. In summary, briefly, the task is you're giving a clump, a cluster of emails, some reading material, a calendar, some locations on a map, and you have to build a calendar which shows being tasked, being accomplished, and identifies conflicts where obviously there won't be enough time to accomplish a meeting or to prepare for a meeting or To travel to a meeting, there are natural conflicts. The data that you get will be a little bit messy, so we'll show you how to clean it up. We'll give you editorial license to make things make sense to you, which is a bit rude, because you have editorial license say, well, there's no way I can read that document. I'm just going to discard it. We need to know what your discards are, because this is meant to be a highly productive set of seven or eight days of you going to one somebody going from one country to another to accomplish a variety of tasks. So it's clever, because this could be you traveling to Portugal while also having to maintain a calendar from home as well as maintain a series of emails you have to answer, as well as read a bunch of things that you have to do for another place you're you're meant to be, so it could emulate, emulate what you are going to face when you come to Portugal. Will give you the same situation for someone coming here to Ireland and had to work through a bunch of things. It's fun to do the project. It's worth only 10% of the marks, but we'll do it together, and we'll we'll see how people can break it down and and proceed. Tonight has shown that all the tools won't work, and that's going to be a frustrating factor. Because, you know, some weeks, some days it will work, some days I won't, and Tuesday nights and the tools don't work. It's painful, but that's that's the way the 
real world is. Okay, Hiram, you did you take that survey that I did? Did you okay? So I was going to share this screen. I gave people the share screen option as well when you did, when you did that poll. So I just want to go through this, because I have not read this. So these just show you stuff. Like, I'm just going to read this. How many days last week did you use? So someone look at these days like, some people are only using AI two days. Some are using every weekday. Thank you. Practice is the way you have to do this. Do you expect to get answers from Ai? Whoa, most people are saying maybe half the time this. This is the confidence factor I have from an AI, it gives me an answer. And I think look on a scale of zero to 10 and maybe a seven. I rarely, rarely give it a 10 out of 10. How satisfied you over the functionality? I'll bet tonight, some people will be down there below 10. So if you're at a 10 of 10 across here, you're happy with sources of information. Whoa, 
that's really interesting. And then on the far right hand side here, which would be the most useful research, research, research, research, you know, this is interesting, and I'll try to make sure that we're relevant about that extracting from spreadsheets. That's something that filipepe And I will make sure happens. And then other people are saying, well, somebody wanted to do all the things, all right, but most people want to do research. For sure. Have you reviewed the recordings? Wow. Thank you for doing that. That makes it takes a while for me to spin this up. Most are on a laptop. One person stuck with a tablet. I'm not that saying stuck, but that's that's less capable. And where have you spotted this online? Okay, interesting to see websites. Most people do. You know how to contact us. Thanks. We can do that. And most people saw the end page. Hiram, Hiram, I don't know if I needed to ask something else. If so, tell me what it is, and I'll add it to I don't want to inundate people with surveys. But what else would you think we should ask in the future? So for Hiram, for you, and then anybody else that wants to add in a comment, this is meant to be a holistic view of what I think is a very turbulent time in the academic and employment market, how to use these tools. We have not approached the issue of how to do this sustainably, ethically and legally. All those things are important. I'm just banging away at saying, practically, let's sort of make the things work. But there are some real issues of the European citizen we need to consider, and they need that they will come into focus the next few weeks. We're saying, Look, you know, if you're working for a US multinational, they're going to not appreciate the fact that you're telling to slow down, but you're crossing over a certain line. So are ethical, there are sustainable and there are compliance issues that you need to know about that could get a large company into a lot of trouble, and yourself as well if you violate a rule. Not most of the countries of the EU have not put into the national law the statutory penalties you could face, but it's coming, so we're right at the edge of learning how to use these things, then how to do it right. And if you don't, you do it right, you need to know how to act as an ethical rogue. Do it on your own where it's not traceable, not recommending you do that. But there's every month I train people, and they're very clever. They earn more. They earn more than 100,000 year and their goal is not to be detected as they push the edge of the edge of the envelope, you may end up working for someone like that, and you need to know when you're exposed. So you need to have a second or third identity that's not going to catch you out. We'll cover some of that. How I would do that. But anyway, Hiram, over you, is there some other questions we need to dangle? Because we're at the edge of something really important here, and we're going to document something in about a month's time that says we learn these things. But what should we ask for
+1
real world is. Okay, Hiram, you did you take that survey that I did? Did you okay? So I was going to share this screen. I gave people the share screen option as well when you did, when you did that poll. So I just want to go through this, because I have not read this. So these just show you stuff. Like, I'm just going to read this. How many days last week did you use? So someone look at these days like, some people are only using AI two days. Some are using every weekday. Thank you. Practice is the way you have to do this. Do you expect to get answers from Ai? Whoa, most people are saying maybe half the time this. This is the confidence factor I have from an AI, it gives me an answer. And I think look on a scale of zero to 10 and maybe a seven. I rarely, rarely give it a 10 out of 10. How satisfied you over the functionality? I'll bet tonight, some people will be down there below 10. So if you're at a 10 of 10 across here, you're happy with sources of information. Whoa, +3
that's really interesting. And then on the far right hand side here, which would be the most useful research, research, research, research, you know, this is interesting, and I'll try to make sure that we're relevant about that extracting from spreadsheets. That's something that filipepe And I will make sure happens. And then other people are saying, well, somebody wanted to do all the things, all right, but most people want to do research. For sure. Have you reviewed the recordings? Wow. Thank you for doing that. That makes it takes a while for me to spin this up. Most are on a laptop. One person stuck with a tablet. I'm not that saying stuck, but that's that's less capable. And where have you spotted this online? Okay, interesting to see websites. Most people do. You know how to contact us. Thanks. We can do that. And most people saw the end page. Hiram, Hiram, I don't know if I needed to ask something else. If so, tell me what it is, and I'll add it to I don't want to inundate people with surveys. But what else would you think we should ask in the future? So for Hiram, for you, and then anybody else that wants to add in a comment, this is meant to be a holistic view of what I think is a very turbulent time in the academic and employment market, how to use these tools. We have not approached the issue of how to do this sustainably, ethically and legally. All those things are important. I'm just banging away at saying, practically, let's sort of make the things work. But there are some real issues of the European citizen we need to consider, and they need that they will come into focus the next few weeks. We're saying, Look, you know, if you're working for a US multinational, they're going to not appreciate the fact that you're telling to slow down, but you're crossing over a certain line. So are ethical, there are sustainable and there are compliance issues that you need to know about that could get a large company into a lot of trouble, and yourself as well if you violate a rule. Not most of the countries of the EU have not put into the national law the statutory penalties you could face, but it's coming, so we're right at the edge of learning how to use these things, then how to do it right. And if you don't, you do it right, you need to know how to act as an ethical rogue. Do it on your own where it's not traceable, not recommending you do that. But there's every month I train people, and they're very clever. They earn more. They earn more than 100,000 year and their goal is not to be detected as they push the edge of the edge of the envelope, you may end up working for someone like that, and you need to know when you're exposed. So you need to have a second or third identity that's not going to catch you out. We'll cover some of that. How I would do that. But anyway, Hiram, over you, is there some other questions we need to dangle? Because we're at the edge of something really important here, and we're going to document something in about a month's time that says we learn these things. But what should we ask for 
hiramb
43:27this questionnaire? I'm not, I'm not sure there are so many questions currently I would considering where we started today, with the Financial Times, I would add a question or two on polling, what do people fear and how do they see the future? Okay, beyond the questionnaire, I'm not even I'm not even there on the questions on ethical and regulations, and I'm currently, most of the time, frustrated that I spend a lot of time and I have a lot of expectation of AI, and out of out of 10, I get two or three really good things most of the time, yeah, and when I look at the Financial Times the video you showed, I was kind of amazed that these big companies are training AIS, and apparently they do get good results somehow, which I don't
Bernie Goldbach
44:37Okay, like now I can explain how that's happening, because I'm working with these, these guys. I'm working with people that pay 250 euro a month per seat for their AI, and they have no constraints going in. They don't wait to get a result, and they get really clever results back. They've built profiles that tells the AI, how what they expect back, using their phone or using a laptop, and like I said, they get no problems. They operate large language models on their own VPN to European server. So it's all under GDPR, and it's VPN, it's a tunnel, which means no one else can see it. But 200 to 250 euro a month per seat is what they're spending. And so some of the Financial Times will say, Hey, we're getting a result. And they're not necessarily telling you the T's and C's the terms and conditions of how that's happening, but that's what's going on, and they're getting results. Now, the thing of it is, we're down to a lower level. You have practical things you have to do for a workflow related to like handling spreadsheets, doing research, managing meeting minutes and things like that. These are minor things, and we're going to produce some agents that can do that show you how to build a workflow where all of a sudden, magically, this stuff happens. For example, on the back of this call, there are many things that I express disappointment in watching the AI perform and watching things that did not work the way I thought. And the summary that's being generated based on the emotion I express by the words I use and the amplitude of my voice will come back in a summary generated by zoom AI saying Bernie said this, this happened there and be a lovely summary. Now I can dive into the transcript or rewind the video and see that, but the AI is going to generate that quick hitting summary of what happened that's helpful, and it helps me figure out quickly by looking at five or six bullet points, what I got to revisit next week and the following week, and then what I got to put into the Lear the program in Portugal to accentuate the failure, by removing it or by modular moderating it. Okay, that's helpful for me. It's also hopeful for me that when I built this slide deck, that I could use something that I made more than 12 months ago, and as I made it inside of PowerPoint, a new layout appeared on the right hand side. I just tapped it and I got the stuff to come across with different colors and logos and things like that. That's helpful, and I'll show people that it's a minor thing, but it took me several weeks of tweaking to get that to happen. Now that's off the module, because that involves PowerPoint design layouts and slide masters, but I can say this is how this is working. If that doesn't work for you and you have a licensed version of PowerPoint on your Microsoft account, and you can't make that happen, well, maybe you got to go into some online learning to build slide templates. But the AI will do that for you once you tell it what to do, and you need to know how to tell it. So these are little things in the background. The bigger thing of, I can't even get a job. I mean, woman today and Maria, you know this. So I went back and forth talking to Laura. And, you know, it's funny, because she told me a few words which she was working on. And I said, Well, how about this, this and this. And then she told me more words that it's like talking to a chat GPT that would focus my interest. And then I said, Okay, I went to her and said, I found a gold star applicant, you can use this person can do this job. And she saw it and said, No, she's too qualified, and she's really difficult to work with. So I gave her the answer, but it took like, four iterations to get there. Now my AI could have done that. I would have found that, but I just did it in my head, saying, Okay, I know. I know who is that, and I got the answer. But that's iterative, logical thinking for a practical workflow of helping somebody find a candidate that saves them at least 10,000 euro, well more than that, because if you go to a recruitment agency, they take a percentage of the person's first six months salary as her finder's fee. So I would have saved that company, Laura's company, more than 40,000 euro, but she couldn't take the gold client because she says no, she is qualified. She's too qualified, and she's tough to work with. I mean, she's a ball buster. She definitely can do the job with a sledgehammer, and she's good. But then I gave her some mid career people and some but she actually needs someone who's on this call, somebody who's got no more than three years experience with ISO capability. And you're not going to find that. She will not find that person, somebody that's ISO, International Standards Organization for pharmaceutical or med tech, has more than two years experience, maybe 10, and now they're difficult to work with because they're really good at their job and they don't want to. They take no prisoners. They only do it the right way. There's no flexibility for the company way, because they're, they're standards compliant people anyway. Point is that's iterative, and I could get that now by talking to my LinkedIn, if I had a LinkedIn agent working, but I don't have that. But that's, that's the process I went through. And now, having, having, having done that, I'm going to make that agent work. I'm going to do that somehow with LinkedIn. So all of a sudden I could just put the words in words, people come back.
Maria O'Brien
50:15Anyway, I just shared a link in the chat. It's not related to workflow. I suppose you could possibly link it to the reduced graduate jobs.
Stephanie
50:26Yeah,
Maria O'Brien
50:27in this instance, that's an AI actress facing actors and actresses. So yeah, and she has her own Facebook account, her own Instagram account.
Bernie Goldbach
50:37She's good. That's amazing, is it? No, Almine had to drop off line. I know we're Firoz. You probably have two year, two hours beyond where we are here. So I know other people may have to blow out. But you know, I do appreciate the time we spent here before, like I asked the question I wanted to get from you. Hi, Hiram, if anybody else wants me to ask a question of the group who isn't here that kind of senses the temperature of the water or tries to get a look at where we're headed, then just say that in chat, or say it on the call here as we leave the call, but we're at a point now where I have covered what I wanted to cover tonight. We have, I have a significant backlog of people who aren't here that I have to bring up the speed because this is important stuff, and I don't want to keep repeating it, and I can't, so I won't. So some people may be in deeper water when they rejoin, but that's that's part of the flow. So just as a matter of interest, does anybody want to say anything else, either in text or call it out? If not, I'll stay on the line till last person's here and we're done. Okay? I appreciate you being here. Really do, and I'm sorry the AI misbehaved, but I'm glad it did, because that's my life too, and I've been through this before. So anyway, that's all I have to say. I'll stay here unless somebody wants to talk. But yeah, I'm I do appreciate you being here and offering these, Leti, you're always here at the end.
Letizia Cenni
52:25Yeah, I wanted to thank you, Bernie, then say a great night. Everybody was good
Bernie Goldbach
52:32to be here. Yeah, no, I'm hoping this. Know this should work for you, and I'm doing my best make sure we're exceptionally relevant. Because, you know, this is new, this is, this is more important than than the internet that, I mean, Tim Berners Lee wrote it, just wrote a book about this, saying, Look, we can reclaim this internet of ours. He is concerned about the way things are going, and everyone's tunneling into deeper repositories of information. The collaborative open space that he helped make called the Internet is radically changing. There's a gigantic AI bubble that's here. I mean, it's hyper inflated stock prices, and maybe everything will be fine, but it's really dangerous to see the amount of money being poured into valuations for chip companies and AI companies, and there's no the people in this call are not seeing the direct benefits of that. We're just seeing the stuff that's false starts or half starts. So I'm concerned about it as well. If we leave this program with better, critical thinking skills and an ability to generate practical workflows with a little bit of enhancements using new technology, that's good, but people are still going to be core to this process. I don't see how we're going to be written off the script. I can't I can't see that happening anyway. That's my personal perspective, and I hope I'm right. Anyway, I IRAM, do you want to say anything else? Because I may throw my note taker out of the room by now, tell him to go away
hiramb
54:25redoing the task.
Bernie Goldbach
54:27Yeah,
hiramb
54:30no, I think, I think from what is, what is interesting? You spark sometimes of ideas, and I try things and I dabble. I'm not sure you know exactly what I'm doing, but it ranges from creating mathematical questions in Moodle using wearies in Calgary, to to looking up a budget I created for for a project because someone mentioned there is somewhere a mistake, and found, found the financial manager found a discrepancy between things. And then I think, where did I make mistake? Can I find that back? So I have chat GPT ask, Should I? Should I even share the spreadsheet? Well, I actually shared, hidden away some things, but not, not everything, and chat GPT just crashed that didn't work towards Well, trying to find information on the Wheaties website, looking at looking at Python code for all kinds of different stuff. This afternoon, I asked, I have this, this virtual space, and I want images on the wall that that are in the same format with a text. And I forgot how I did this. I have eight, and I need to make 16 more, so I tried again. And can, can an AI do that for me? It didn't.
Bernie Goldbach
56:02So, yeah, a whole
hiramb
56:07range of things I tried to do,
Bernie Goldbach
56:09what, let me tell you what I do with some of that. Okay, because
Maria O'Brien
56:13I'm going to just jump off and leave you
Bernie Goldbach
56:15and we'll bring, I'll bring Tilly in next week.
Maria O'Brien
56:19Thanks. And Sara too. I
Bernie Goldbach
56:22will, I will. Yeah, that's good point. That's good point. Yeah, okay,
Maria O'Brien
56:26talk to you soon. Okay,
Bernie Goldbach
56:29yeah, so Hiram, just let you know what I normally do in that particular case. Sometimes I have conversation with myself, notes to self, so I'll turn on an otter and start talking about just exactly what you said, and then I'll I know I got to tell it. I have to offer context domain expertise, is what it's called. So sometimes I'll flip through my books or look through my obsidian, and I'll see references, and I'll mention those things, and then I'll stop my conversation to myself, and I'll let it make summaries. And then sometimes the summaries that come back are exactly where in my rat's nest of notes that the operational document is, and that helps me out. So it gives me clarity of thinking. I get my best clarity walking or parking the car and talking to myself next to a lake, watching ducks, whatever works, notes to self. You've been around long enough to know that sometimes hidden deeply in your cognitive declining state is the answer. And so if you're where is that file or what should I be thinking about? And then bang, sometimes talking to yourself, in my case, talking to an AI that then shows me words I said, and I can take that transcript or the summary, pop it into my obsidian, and I use a service called Smart connections. It's semantic, so it looks for semantic links to things that I think that I should know, and I may be off by a few words, by exactly the reference. But there's a semantic register tells you point five like 50% chance it's this. Point nine, it's definitely that. Point two may be related extraneously, but perhaps worth looking at. And the top semantic links are what I tap into and say, oh, there it is. So now that's rewarded me for having a process. The process is pretty simple. So I started with like thought text files using a service called ask Sam. I moved into to ask Sam. From ask Sam into Evernote. Move from Evernote to one note. Move from one note to notion. Moved from and now use notion and obsidian together, and it's really clever. So a man that I met in Brussels and a woman I met in Eindhoven and I are now using their main line and into my obsidian. My obsidian is on this phone. It's on my laptop. So I'm working a book called authentic storytelling in the era of AI with fontis, which is connected to, you know, you and Antwerp. And it's dramatic. What I mean, while this call is going on is getting obsidian notes from Bridget in, in stuff. And I'm thinking, right? So, like my thoughts go to one direction, her thoughts connect sometimes, sometimes they don't. And what's up to us to parse it, to kind of say, what can what's common here? So we do sometimes sketches. And you know, she was upset with a sketch that I did. She said, I don't understand that pie chart. Why did you do that? And it's in a polite way, very direct, Dutch way. I said, oh, sorry, you know, so I, you know? I Where's my pie chart? Can't find I do this pie chart, you know? And so there it is. And she says, the AI is too big. Storytelling should be bigger. I said, I know this is the first cut. And I said, Here's how, here's what I'm missing. I'm missing a slice called empathy. I'm missing a slice called ethics. And I place this, and your notes aren't in place yet for them. And AI rendered this, and Tara that she thought it's just I sketched it, but I see now it's politely telling her, I know you have stuff about empathy, ethics and storyboarding that are meant to be in the notes. They're not in the notes, so the pie chart is skewed. Now, too much AI, and she'll fix that, and that'll be good. But now that's interesting, because an AI could have generated that. I did it because I didn't want the AI blame. She would source the AI as she would see me blaming her for not putting stuff in her stuff's there, but it's the annotations are incorrect, structures incorrect, and she'll fix that. But that's really clever, and this has all happened over a space of, like, two coffee chats where I said, look, let's let's share notes directly. Cut the email string down to nothing. Only deal with me on signal, deal with the rest of stuff. Just put hashtag ask Bernie, or hashtag action Bernie, that has to get done. And like, I just look at my hashtags and respond to the stuff and the text and her coffee break, she looks at it and it's really clever. Now, that's a practical workflow for someone that's designing a joint research project. And if we do something with your guys there at Antwerp, I'd say, look, let's establish the community, the collaborations protocol, what? What is it? Because I can give you 25 years of stuff in a lot of different topics, a lot of it's rats and it's too much stuff. So let's focus it. Start with a structure, and that becomes a submission document, the outline of it, I populate it, and now you have too much stuff in a good way. Could write a book first before you write the research proposal, but it's so comfortable you actually have the goal post at the end in sight. Just got to refine your move on the pitch, but how to get there. And it's so beautiful, because the beauty is in the instructional designer. You can put on that, because I have some really good instructional designers, and they can make it pretty, and then they give that over to you, and that becomes your design language for your virtual reality thing, or your Augment, your AR layers, it's just lovely, you know. So anyway, that's where I am on this all. Start to answer your question. Talk to yourself, you know, try to remember the key terms you use, and if they aren't in your notes, fix your notes, take your you know,
hiramb
01:02:10a lot of times I have a strong subliminal system. So I have learned myself to use this, and I know that if I turn away for even sometimes just a second, a few seconds or a minute, the subliminal system will kick in, and 90% of the time it delivers, yeah, that's good, rapidly. So really
Bernie Goldbach
01:02:36good, yeah, it's nice. Like I said, What's syntactic, synaptically, you know, you could actually be connected to some other hive mind that's doing that at a higher level. And now you surprise yourself. But I realized, and I see that conversation, I can see where I put the seed in there, and someone else ran with it over that direction. Yeah, okay. Something like what Bridget's doing. She has a method, communications method she uses. There is
hiramb
01:03:01another, there's another thing that AIDS me the way, because I do forget things, and if the subliminal system doesn't kick in too rapidly. There is another system that starts working, and that is how to create a bypass or a shortcut, and a lot of times that actually improves my workarounds. The workarounds are smarter.
Bernie Goldbach
01:03:32Okay, what you're talking about here is content, potentially for layer. It's saying, okay, the bypass, a shortcut. It's probably worth about, you know, you can go on for 20 or 30 minutes with that, and people appreciate that. That's, that's a, really, that's an emotive, actionable, practical workflow based on, I
hiramb
01:03:50don't know how you, how you can learn this. I mean, I learned myself by doing things, but and I can analyze it and say, Look, this is this is how it works for me, but I you should be able to teach this to people and make them practice this.
Bernie Goldbach
01:04:07Yeah. Well, there's people on this call that they learn different, and they hear different than you do, and then I do, and it's interesting to hear what they would come back if you presented the Hiram bypass method for shortcutting practical workflow, and you just talked about that and gave visual imagery of where you are, what you're doing, how you're thinking, or what what's happening. Other people will join that flow, and then 1520 minutes into it, they will say, here's what I see you're doing, or hear that you're doing, and you can affirm it or deny it. But all of a sudden, the group now has some key learning material for where they ought to be. They may not know how to get there, but boy, are they. They're with you in this journey of how to do it, how to learn, what are the bypass what the shortcuts are. And, like, you know, I could give other language to that, you know, I'm thinking about benchmarks along the way, or milestones or indications on the road, and it's just, it's great. I mean, I can follow what you're saying, and you're right. It's hard to teach somebody how to think, because everyone thinks a little differently, but everybody in this module, they want to learn how to create practical workflows more efficiently. And maybe they are the most efficient they'll ever be, and they just need to have that affirmed. We've told them an AI might be able to do it better, as long as you keep yourself the person in the middle. They need us to need me to explain what that means, how to put those choke points, or those test points, stress points in the way done. That's what we're teaching. This is new. I don't know if there's I don't know if anybody else is doing this. I mean, I everyone has the quick cookie cutter way of saying. Now, this AI does that. This AI procedure does this. Here's the agent, here's the custom GPT. That's good. But this, we're weaving in a lot of other, you know, instructional ethos here, that's not It's not fluff, it's great. It's thought and action. So what I
hiramb
01:06:16what I still wonder sometimes, is why you want people to write the prompts in handwritten in handwritten notes. And the reason I question this is, and I would like to firstly add, maybe we need more exercises on how prompts, or different prompts, actually change the outcome or improve the outcome or make it worse, but as because of that, you end up creating a lot of prompts. As you said, it's it's star. So it might become quite complicated, and then I find it, I find it kind of strange that you write this down on a paper. I just write it in Word,
Bernie Goldbach
01:07:00right? Maybe, maybe I'll show you a sample. So I don't write everything word for word. I do write the first prompt, and I'm trying to figure out, Is there a verb in that? Is there context in that, and too early for the discussion. We're only four lessons in is there domain expertise in that? So are you actually not approaching it totally stupid, like you just heard the name of the brand? Now you're trying to find out more about that brand and sugar content of the brand, or the color of the design logo instead. Is it really critical need. You have to express in your your, your so look for certain things, a verb, a focus, a context, and some domain expertise. If you don't have domain expertise, you need to at least identify for the AI, what in what part of the world you're talking about, so it doesn't get confused with this large language model, so I don't need to have all prepositions, articles and cursive. I just need to know, are there things there? Now, I normally write the whole prompt out the first one, then when I iterate it, I normally put something in brackets, like, you know, the word, like, you know, top performing so just basically means I took the prompt the answer, and said, Okay, what's the top performing artist in this iteration of that music? And then after that, I'll say, Okay, now I need to know time, when they perform, where they performed, and what their what their backing vocalist was. So that what I'm just describing there is something from the evolution of the work of dulipa Dua Lipa, the artist, oh, she, she she evolved. I got this little pop that came through my phone, through my thing here, but a woman that needs me giving her slides for Friday, right? So those words, and in my case, I put brackets around some of the words, and the brackets indicate operational words that might be titles of other things that I've referenced before. So a title would be Dua Lipa or another one. Another bracket would be levitate, another double bracket would be talk show. So in my repertoire of things about that woman, that artist, all the stuff I just mentioned are past iterative thoughts I had about that artist. And the reason I want to know all those things is because one of the things I want to show in this course is that people, like artists, musicians, often on the back of a tour bus going from one gig to the other, write lyrics like Taylor Swift did for her most recent, upcoming album, like Dua Lipa did during the pandemic, in a dog eared book that's probably as thick as this, about 400 pages, they write stuff sometimes with coffee cup stains and croissant crumbs and watermarks on it. They write stuff which they know that's going to work, but 80% of what they write is rubbish and like she sat down with Jimmy Kimmel on a television show, and he said, I saw this book you got here. And he walked through, he started reading her lyrics and making fun of them. And I thought he knows what he's doing. And then keyed it up for the single she was releasing about rodeo, loves the rodeo, or something like that. And of course, she had perfect pop princess performance and and the audience was left with the five minute interview beforehand where she was saying, most of my stuff's rubbish, but I know when I'm writing something that's going to work. It's Poppy, it's going to keep people on the dance floor. It has the right rhythm to it. It's going to work. And the point is, she wrote it by hand in the moment of disappointment, of acceleration or of just contemplation.
hiramb
01:10:45I believe you and I, I should do it more often. I have the book with me, and I usually have a bunch of pens here, yeah, even, even a fountain pen. And I know, and this is one way to learn, to get this process, this subliminal system working, is get into the habit just to wrote note, to write notes and be, be confident, like you say, 90% might be rubbish, but the things that the rule be things that you remember after a day or two, and those are usually the things I have written, some things here, and most Like, yeah, like you say it's it's nonsense, but sometimes I never go, go back and read, read stuff. But I know things. I know that it's kind of a dumping place. So I yeah, my mind doesn't keep working on it. But I know I can't forget it because I've written it down. Now we I
Bernie Goldbach
01:11:50remember first job I had, well, one of the jobs, one of the first jobs I had in Ireland, were with ladies, all women surrounding a really nice desk. They all had a leather bound diary. And every Friday they had, they had the diaries. They call it. We're going to have the diaries Friday, 10 o'clock, and they all bring their handsome leather bound diaries, embossed on the front with a logo of something. And they all, they all dressed to the nines, you know, just they look the part. And they would compare what was in their diary, written, handwritten notes on calendar and items and stuff diaries in the book. If it was in the book, it was going to happen. So I watched that process, and I've also watched some of the most senior military officers I ever worked with, and they would normally work with colored pens and post it notes. And I thought, What in the world? And like I walk these documents are really thick, all these communications underneath, you know, teletype messages and financial statements and colorful tabs and stuff like that. And I watched the people that would be signatories. They would determine whether you're going to get your money or your package or your program, and they would simply flip through and they look for a color. The Color Purple would be one general, the color brown would be enough. They would sign in a certain color if their color was missing, but their signature was there. That meant they didn't approve. They signed it off to keep their buddies happy, but it wasn't in their correct color. And you knew looking and said, Fuck, I'm missing four browns. I'm not going to get my project. Geez, I worked for eight months on this. Couldn't get the brown, and it's polite deference, deference. And I looked at good program there, Captain sign this off right away. And you realize, Fuck, he's not going for his fountain pen. And they were so regulated, they actually ground certain colors in their bowls of ink. Christ. And once I saw that, I realized, oh my god, you know, all these other things they had that were capable of printing out documents just by typing up pushing a button or having a secretary do it at the end of it all it was, if you really want to move the package, get the general when he has the right ink. Everything else doesn't count, and just getting that teed up was hard.
hiramb
01:14:13That's a really good story. You
Bernie Goldbach
01:14:15know, I just, I mean, like, halls, the Pentagon. Boy, I'm thinking, what Pete Hanks was doing today. Has no idea of the power of colors. I mean, that he never had to work in staff office. He's a radio host. Doesn't even know the generals are, you know, tone off, yeah, I'll sign that right away. There. Secretary Sara, color fucking sign it. No anyway, like terms sells their product.
hiramb
01:14:50You might, you might change, you and I might change to these kinds of notebooks there you can, you can take out the Oh,
Bernie Goldbach
01:14:57I know I got them, but they see they weren't that. If you're going for a patent and you don't have a hardbound notebook with numbers in the bottom corners, you're not going to get a patent attorney and a judge to say, you authenticated that. So that's why, I mean, I've been part of that during Wyk, I had the code base for a 40,000 euro program every installation, 40,000 and Huh, you know, it all came down to, like, Where was the original code written? Right here. Judge. He looked at it and said, looking for pages that were missing, looking for some kind of chronology note taking. He says, Alright, and the company I work for won a major battle in America for who, who got the code first? Because the Irish guys had it in their hardbound numbered journal from Wyk, term, I thought, holy cow, what I mean at the end of the day, the all the attorneys fees are minor compared to what swayed the judge. And do I believe your handwritten notes on that date, on that page were before the guys in Wisconsin? I do. Done.
hiramb
01:16:15Well, okay, need to change my notebooks.
Bernie Goldbach
01:16:18Yeah, well, no, if you're going going for something that you gotta enshrine for the patron saint of Hiram. All right, look, I gotta go too. So thanks for this. I gotta get your buddy, your Hilda, I gotta email. This is like I'm under a lot of pressure. I finally got time, so I should probably do it tonight. Answer email say, Okay, this will work. But like this, end of this week, I'm in one part of Ireland. End of the month, I'm doing everything's keying up, so I got to fit some stuff in. And then, you know, ideally, what will happen is, when you and I are together in Portugal, we can lock in something that probably has a march submission. That's what I think is going to happen. There could be stuff in the middle, but that's what I think looks like. That's the timeline I'm looking at. I think that's what's going to happen. Need to Talk. We need to talk and figure out, are we in the same space, what, what you're doing in Spain, there's, there's some conference I can't, I couldn't go to,
hiramb
01:17:21yeah, in two weeks time. Yeah, we're
Bernie Goldbach
01:17:23in the same thought space. And, like, it's ideal to continue that a project, or add to it, or we're in the same thought space, what
hiramb
01:17:32I'm what I'm pushing. So I got just just yesterday or today, I got permission to actually go there, and I pushed the idea that I want, I want to share with the with the participants at Diez in Valencia in two weeks time. Is what I do, is social VR, because I think it, it can facilitate and enhance or improve the step towards physical connection and physical immersiveness. So instead of us looking at this, at these screens and these cameras, we actually move around in a virtual space like a game, but there is no game, but we have the we have this immersive perception, and we can actually work together and get to know each other. And there are some informal moments that we allow, I think that helps to connect on a personal base, but also to connect with the content. And for that, I am just pushing that look what, what I do. It's it's very simple as very low technical threshold. Just look at it. Have a look at it. See where you can apply it, and start with easy stuff, and then try to build up and make it more intense. And I tried to show, I think I showed this already to you in in Palma is how I make, how I do a recording or live stream of a PowerPoint presentation is outside PowerPoint. I think that that that is something that might work for new international collaboration, because Europe wants, Europe appreciates the physical part. So us going to learia for a week. They know it's costly, but they know it's really valuable, but what they are looking for is, how can you extend this in a way that everybody is actually involved and immersed, yeah? And, and video conferencing isn't working, just plain chatting or playing, elearning isn't working. So is this working? We don't know. I'd like to test Yeah,
Bernie Goldbach
01:19:53yeah, yeah, the roll up they see when last two times I went to Eindhoven was they have a hallway with, like, neon lights and the word immersive on this panel that they displayed. So, I mean, they're, they're definitely a strong partner, potential, potentially, the other space, like the place I'm in here, the last thing they did was they made, I have a paddle, it's against the wall from a kayak. So they actually made a system where you put on Oculus and you saw the river, and the paddles were set up, your sensors or your wrist were set up to make the noise of the paddle hitting the water. And if you did it wrong, the kayak would move too close to shore, and you had to correct it.
hiramb
01:20:52So that's kind of a simulation. I'm I'm not looking at simulations. I'm looking at social actions.
Bernie Goldbach
01:20:58No, no, no. But I mean, the point is that you will find people who understand what the power what you're talking about, and now can can enter that space as as strong collaborators. So, yeah, it works, which talking about works, it's an immersive environment, connecting people. And if it's playful and enjoyable and go to that space mentally, it's immersive. It's immersively, culturally connecting.
hiramb
01:21:31Now, when you have time in maybe in Maria, I can give a demonstration. Takes half an hour to get you to the demo, and then usually ideas come up. It's it's often more tangible, it's often more clear what I mean when I am able to show it,
Bernie Goldbach
01:21:52yeah, I will get, I got to look at my schedule, because I'm not actually booked here yet. I got to do this. Get the flex. I have your I have your arrival time in Lisbon, so I try to meet that. I think actually I will get there earlier. I'll just arrange to stay at the airport till you get there. Yeah, but that'd be good. We can go on the flicks bus.
hiramb
01:22:16It's it's a little bit complicated on how to move from Lisbon to Lydia. It takes a train or two or a metro and a train,
Bernie Goldbach
01:22:26I get the bus. It's like two and a half hours on the bus. If you want the Flix bus, right train, you take the train to the bus to the
hiramb
01:22:36whatever, yeah, whatever. It takes minimal time. Yeah, and it's not too expensive.
Bernie Goldbach
01:22:42No, it's it is. It's fine, yeah, it's actually less expensive, one half the cost of what it costs in Ireland to do that.
hiramb
01:22:51Yeah. Okay, all
Bernie Goldbach
01:22:54right,
hiramb
01:22:55thanks man. Here, you know, join the evening. Cheers. See you next week.