David pickup ... is a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist. He operates a private practice in Dallas. And he works primarily with men and boys who are dealing with unwanted same sex attraction. But he also is a board member of the National Association for Research and therapy of homosexuality. He's co founder of the national task force for therapy equality, which helped defeat 20 out of 34 state bans of change therapy within the last several years. And man, he has been a lobbyist, he has traveled all around the country, and he has done some phenomenal overturning of the tables when the situation has called for it with some of these lawmakers. He is really fighting. And let me tell you something very briefly, he'll get into this more. A lot of Christians I meet say, Well, I'm not sure about therapy, secular therapy. I'm not really sure if that's right. Listen to me. If you get nothing else right now, you need to understand that once the activists win on the secular therapists, they're coming for your biblical counselors. We need to be concerned about this issue. If for no other reason that we have to stand together on the issue of freedom and self autonomy, because that's the right thing to do. So I would like to introduce to you without further ado, David pickup, please welcome him.
Today, I bring you a story of immense grief and stunning victory. Can you imagine several years ago, a boy five, maybe 1015 17. Walking into my office and telling me as a boy of faith, mostly Mr. Pickup I have same sex attractions. I'm attracted other men. And I feel like dirt. I feel inferior. I feel unmanly. And I have to tell you something else. My cousin who's 20 sexually abused me several times. And I need your help. Because I know I'm born for heterosexuality. But I just don't get the feelings of sexual attraction for other guys in my gym. Some at church even I feel love for them. And I don't know how to do know how to deal with it. What's going on? Why am I so bad? And then I hear sometimes from people even in church, some of them not all of them, but some of them. I hear how sick I am. I need help. And I don't know. I mean, do you? I've heard you do reintegrated therapy. Can I change? too? I just have to stuff my feelings down repress this for the rest of my life? Or can I actually change? Not just behavior? But Can my feelings actually change at least some way somehow? And imagine me answering him. And I usually make a point to look directly in his eyes.
Yes, I know. A method of sound deeply affecting therapy that just so happens to compliment sound biblical principles that can change the deep inside of you. Sure, there's some behavior choices you need to make. But they can actually what you experience in here in your body, mind and heart. Emotionally. Yeah. I can help create experiences for you to resolve all those issues over time. I don't know how much time it'll take. I don't care because I care about you. Doesn't matter. But that can happen. But I have to tell you, John, that in your state, the LGBT act activists have made it illegal for me to do that with you. Yeah, but aren't you hooked up with the church? And I might be some point. Yeah, but I'm a licensed psychotherapist. And churches can do anything religious freedom and all that. John, I'm really sorry that I can't help you even though I know change is possible. Because the powers that be have deemed even as we speak 15 states have banned made illegal punishable by taking licenses away monetary fines, and in theory, jail time. So I can help you. But I can't help you.
For gays and lesbians, the battle seems to be one, gay is okay. Those who oppose gay and lesbian values can expect labels of bigotry and hate. Widespread approval of sexual freedom extends to everyone, except perhaps one segment of the population. Those who seek to leave homosexuality and pursue heterosexuality instead. These men and women have homosexual feelings but don't accept Okay, identity. They believe homosexuality is not who they really are. And it said seek a way out. But those seeking a way out can expect a hostile reaction, their choice to leave a gay identity is often seen as a betrayal of the LGBT community, leaving them as outsiders. Some of them seek therapy to help them make this change, but their options are limited. And sometimes in the face of heavy resistance. Plenty of gay leaders say this kind of therapy is dangerous, homophobic, and that no one can actually change their sexuality.
As long as you got this calcified, religious, extremist core in this country, you're not going to see this change.
If somebody said to me, Oh, this is just your religion, I would say, Well, so what it is, how does that your business determine the validity of my religion? How dare you? Is that not my right?
Some even say it should be banned. But others defended saying they changed and that everyone should have the freedom to choose their own path and who they choose to love. Even if that means leaving the gay community
man was same sex attraction who wants to do anything besides dive full in to the same sex attraction is really ostracized by a straight community if he doesn't understand him, the gay community is threatened by him in his personal stance, there's not really a community that does accepting these men don't want to speak up if the
goal is to completely ban anyone from having access to somebody who professionally could help me work to find my goals, my life path, you're going to tell me that that's freedom to ban me from that right?
In healthy communities, people are free to come goes and choose. But it's unhealthy when individuals welcome a person into a community, but then try to block them when they try to leave. That's bullying. And that's wrong. And my clients have the freedom and the right to walk away from any kind of sexual practice that doesn't work for them.
If you want to live a lifestyle, then they can continue to do that. But to take option away from other people until into pushing narrative that to me is not true. Is extremely harmful
at this point in my life where I am doing reintegrated therapy. At sometimes I feel that oh, here I am again fighting against the currents because now gay is good. Gay is encouraged gays everywhere. Yeah, if you're gay, you're a superstar. But at least that's what the media portrays.
What on earth am I supposed to do with that sweet boy? I'll tell you what I'm doing. I'm treating them anyway.
What I just told you is based on facts. Now the story I told you was based on an amalgam of several boys or adolescents or teenagers stories, even grown men stories. So it's all true factually, but more specifically, as Jenna alluded to in history, relevance of these magnificent speakers have have already spoken to little bits and pieces. It's true 15 states have already declared for minor children, not adults, because I know they can't get away with that yet. That therapy for unwanted same sex attraction is illegal. Can you imagine? I have been in about 20 state legislatures somewhere around that, speaking directly in legislator committees that actually vote up or down these therapy bands. I've heard it all folks. They run through their gamut of LGBT activists who all show up and say the same things. I've heard this over and over and over again for seven years, since the first one started in California. That's part of what I do. That's why we formed the National Task Force for therapy quality. And then when I get up to speak, I tell them, I try to appeal to their hearts and tell them even if they're LGBT activist, and I'm respectful, but I tell them you don't know what you're doing. What about the children who've been emotionally or physically or sexually abused who've been unfulfilled and they're for various reasons, through various unfulfilling or even dysfunctional relationships. They've grown and erotic attraction to the same sex because of which I'll talk about more in a minute. unmet God given needs that were not fulfilled, and it's eroticized in puberty. And then you've got half of homosexuals, which by the way, don't believe me look this up, it's there, you can go right now, if you want. About 50% of homosexuals have been sexually abused by an older male. Not everyone. But that's a that's a pretty correct experience. And I speak very soulfully very respectfully, at first to these folks, because I'm trying to pick something within them to show them what they're doing is actually harming people and potentially harming people. And I tell them about the sexual abuse issue, that they're literally make it impossible for a licensed spiritual counselor who works under the auspices of a church to practice and their clients and their parents to practice their faith. And then I mentioned the sexual abuse argument, I lay it all down. The evidence is on all of these 3435 states, legislators desk, we ensure that they all have the evidence and the testimonies, and they hear about the sexual abuse and to date, not one legislator has responded to that issue. Not one. And when they hear this, inside, I'm aghast. I mean, I keep my composure, but inside I'm pretty aghast because when they hear this about all these arguments, but especially even the sexual abuse argued argument, which is going on in Oklahoma. When they hear that, they sit there and they vote to ban therapy. Anyway. That's what's going on. And Janet and the other folks who have mentioned this, this week, this last couple of days, so far, they're right. The next step is to come after you. You. It's going to happen in your universities, it's going to happen in your schools, in your elementary schools, if you don't conform to the new sex education curriculum, which I don't even have time enough to talk about today. Because it's just unbelievable what they're showing kindergarteners. If you don't conform to that. The LGBT folks now I'm talking about the activist mainly I'm not trying to I want to be sincere about this. I'm not trying to put down let's say a gay person who just honestly doesn't know better. I do. I do actually know some gay people and I love them. We don't agree on truth, obviously. But, but I'm talking about primarily today, the LGBT activists who are relentless at subverting truth, even from a scientific standpoint, which I'll talk about in a minute. But this is what happens. They get a hold of these political forces, and they turn towards psychotherapists, when supposedly, who's doing all the harm? Some kind of gay boot camp pray away the gay is somewhere in I don't know Saskatchewan or something that happens. Now I don't want to put down somebody who actually has been bitten subjected to some of the horror stories such as the horror story that well was the movie here in Oklahoma boy erased, just lie.
It's your choice. Fake it till you make it become the man you are not save yourself. God will not love you the way that you are. Is this what you want? Who's gonna strike this demon down?
Okay, all right. I agree, whatever ridiculous methods were done with that, shame on them. You don't you don't those kinds of gay or ex gay boot camps, if they're done in that particular kind of fashion, who needs that? I could go on and on, but we don't have much time. So. So they, they try to get it psychotherapists first. And then they're coming after church counselors and the church. They're smart folks. They know what's coming, and they know what they're doing. They know exactly what they're doing. These people are brilliant in a Machiavellian kind of way. And I know some of them.
And the next step is to come for you. And I know that so well, why, because we have film of one of the main speakers. We have film of one of the main speakers who taught law a year and a half ago in a some kind of major committee convention kind of thing that was talking about these issues. And he said on camera while looking at his lawyer for the organization. He said, I think we're actually going to therapist first and then get into the church next, right. And you hear the voice of the Lord saying, yeah, yeah, that's, that's right. And then he moves on. But that's why we've got to be as smart as foxes but gentle as doves. And so I want you to know, that when I deal in legislators, with people who not all of them, by the way, I don't want to do a blanket thing here. But the LGBT activists who I know for a fact we've caught at least two of them in outright lies. They're lying to get across the agenda. One of their main guys has testified that in a clinic in LA, about 1015 years ago, he was abused emotionally because he was sent through reparative therapy. Well, what do you think we found out? We found out he was never a client, in that in that clinic, do you know why I know that I worked there. And long story short, we found the records because he's broken his confidentiality agreement, we found the records, and he wasn't even registered as a client. Then there's the other guy who, who has lied, in my opinion, has lied, given false testimony about the things that were done to him. And, and he they just spout off this stuff in committee meeting, while the other people of faith are sitting over here trying to bite their tongues to keep from exploding because it's just so raucous and so wild. I was in Nebraska two weeks ago, marvelous group of people up there who were just turned on for faithful issues and and needed my help and are in our organization to come up there and just give them all the stuff that they could need to fight through this. I could go it's take a speech make a speech only about the McGrath Nebraska experience alone, but we don't have enough time. But it was the same story after same story. And it was the worst case of legislation I've ever seen in my life about these issues. This 25 year old Senator congressperson who I think had just been elected, she tried to put forth two bills in committee.
Tonight emotional testimony from Lincoln, as the Nebraska Senator introduces a bill to ban what's called Conversion therapy. That's the practice of trying to change someone's sexual orientation with interventions. And sometimes it can even include shock therapy. 60s is Sharon Chen here now with the debate that continued long into the night Sharon,
but Lauren and John initially there were two bills brought forth by Senator Meghan hunt of Omaha. Now the first would have classified conversion therapy as child abuse. But just before the hearing began, she pulled it amid concerns that it could punish parents were misled. Instead, Hunt cap the bill focusing on medical professionals. Now Senator Megan Hunt, who is the state's first bisexual senator is the author of the bill which would prohibit licensed medical professionals from performing conversion therapy. hours of testimony came from both sides of the issue.
Conversion therapy relies on shaming, LGBTQ plus individuals, resulting in considerable mental health damage, including depression, anxiety and suicidal behaviors.
At the last minute, she withdrew one of those bills, and it was a bill to make therapy a change therapy, a felony, you're ready to go to jail, Stephen. Or anybody else here who's a counselor. That's what's coming. If you don't act, if we don't act, now, you know why I act? Act Up a little bit as well. The end of that, that horrible session where all these lies and misconceptions and myths, coatings of research misinterpretations of what the American Psychological Association says, I'd had it. And I looked at the two women sponsored this bill, they were one of them was in front of me, and one was literally almost right next to me. And I asked him if they knew what it felt like to be sexually abused by a pedophile. I tend to get that bold now, because I'm sick and tired of I don't think it was disrespectful. But I kind of turned the tables over. And I she was hugging all her gay friends who testified in tears. And I looked at her also, because my time was up. And I'm sorry, I just had to speak up. I couldn't help it. I could, but I chose not to help. And I looked at her because I was visibly distraught, because we're talking about children. And I was talking for my clients who come to my office with unwanted same sex attraction, who are in pain. And adults as well. They haven't gotten any in case of men, they haven't gotten any male need fulfillment, hardly anything disconnected from men feel like they're inferior, to say nothing of sexual abuse, some of them, they feel awful, and unmanly and all those are due to deep emotional problems. Not necessarily disorders, but very deep deficits in male affection, love, affirmation and approval. And when you don't fulfill God's needs for little boys, they don't grow up to be good men usually. That's what happens. And so I looked at elected her as I was getting up to leave, because I just had to say something else. And I looked at her and said, Where's my hug? You hugged all your gay friends? Where's my hug after I just told her about the sexual abuse issue? And she was, Oh, do you want a hug? Like that. And I just I don't know, I felt inspired. I wasn't but and I said, why you hate me. And that's on tape. So I have a tape of the legislative committee meeting. So we're going to use that tape to edit it professionally. And and throw in all the arguments in capsule form, whenever something untruthful is stet stated, and I'm going to give that if they'll accept it to your church leaders. So you will have yet another major resource to tell you how to deal with when these therapy bands come to Oklahoma. And it's about ready to come up in your state legislature any week. Now, did you know that? I testified with the honorable Sally Kern a few years ago, who I think may be still here to to help defeat these issues by putting out a positive counseling bill. It wasn't successful. But that's okay. I've testified in your state legislature before, and I'm going to come back God willing, I'm going to come back. And I'm going to every single state because of several reasons. Number one, because I think God has called me to this. That's it. That's the main reason.
And number two, and right behind that, which is a part of that first cause I am here for the sweet boys and girls who experience something that some most of you I would wager, just don't know about. So I've got some more time here and I'm going to tell you what the therapeutic experience is really all about. I don't have to tell you every detail that's fine. You could ask me later if you want in fact, you can ask me questions. Anytime you want to contact me visit me on my website, David pick up lm ft.com And you can call me or email me and you can ask me questions here. I'll be here all weekend. Great. So But I'm going to tell you a little bit of a clue of what somebody experiences in therapy, because I'm telling you and I mean, no disrespect, I really don't. But I'm telling you, the mark your houses, and the Russell mores and the owl molars do not know what goes on in my office. And what goes on my office is love. Compassion. Which brings me to my next point. If you don't get anything else, but this get this, not for just a therapeutic angle, but from a spiritual angle. There is no such thing as compassion. Without truth. It doesn't think about it. Think about it. Oh, Carolyn, I love you with all my heart. Okay, I'll see you next year. Does that sound consistent or confusing? Okay. Oh, hey, I'm a divorced father. And, and I say to my little boy, Johnny, Johnny, I'm going to be right there for you every Sunday. You know, we're going to we're going to do all this stuff together. And, and I love you and, and even though Mommy and I couldn't make our marriage work, we're, we're gonna we're gonna be a team, you and I, we're gonna get that male father son bonding all all just really seeing 10. And the next time that Johnny hears from dad isn't next year. But that really meant it. So didn't you really love this child? Well, yes. And no. And that's the kind of situation folks I deal with in the therapeutic office. I have men and boys, some girls as well, and women. But it's mainly 90% male who come in. And one of two cases, I'm being general right now, there's a lot of different variations. But generally speaking, one or two cases actually comes up immediately in the first session. They've either been bullied as little boys, and no one there to help them with it to make them feel inferior about their own male bodies. They've been left alone. They've been enmeshed with their moms who don't realize it. But nonetheless, it happens, that they're trying to get their own needs filled, that their husbands can't feel fulfilled. And so they turn to their boy and they're trying to and they unconsciously tried to get their needs fulfillment within their boys. So the boy turns into the parent getting none of his own needs fulfilled. And the boy just thinks everything's wonderful. And in reality, there's all this chaos in the family system. A lot of times it's very overt is what I'm trying to tell you. Sometimes it's very out there, a lot of dysfunction in the family system. There's a lot of other issues that accompany this. And there's, there's a lot of strident, sometimes physical, too much physical, physical punishment, and in calling it godly punishment, and emotional abuse, shame based remarks, their own children, some some people of faith. I mean, I see this, I'm just reporting what I see in my office. All right. Some, some parents choose to shame their children into righteousness. When did Jesus ever shame somebody who was honest to heart into righteousness? I can't find that. Please correct me if I'm wrong. When did he walk up to anybody who was trying to influence and the first thing out of his mouth unless you were a Pharisee? Was get it right or else is held, buddy? Where's that? So that's the overt experience, the covert experience underneath unseen unconscious, is even tougher sometimes, because now we're talking about neglect. I have some boys come in, who they think they don't, they don't know what's going on. Because they just grew up in a and, you know, good Christian home, had some problems, but good Christian home and whatever. And they said I had a pretty good relationship with my father. And then I asked them, Okay, I mean this sincerely. And by the way, just just so especially for the parents out there. I am not into blaming here today. That's not what I'm doing. I'm into naming Whatever the truth is, and nobody's perfect. And I gotta tell you, folks, parents aren't perfect. Neither children, which will give the parents a lot of headaches. We all know that sometimes. But I gotta tell you, the horror stories I hear in my office. They're there. I know, Steven knows exactly what I'm talking about. And so I hear cold vert, neglectful kind of use that word neglect, it's unconscious. It's not intentional mostly. But I asked boys, if they can think of a time where they were that they had a they knew that their father loved them and they could see it in his eyes or they had an experience with him where they knew they were bonding and, and he knew he knew this father loved him. And your father knew that he loved him. And it was just a rich experience. And you know what they tell me take a guess. They usually say something because they're too worried about disrespecting their parents. They say, Well, he took us to the east took us to the zoo three times. Great. That's probably the depth of in those situations, that's probably the depth. That's the kind of depth only that exists between a father and son. And so what happens how you know that that's a problem. And in addition to that is their emotional reaction when they finally realize what they missed, and then the tears start to flow. I know of a very successful healed up was never get identified, but but homosexual issues many years ago, one of the first times of this cathartic riveting experience where it was driven home to him what the real issue was, because this really isn't about sex. It's about unmet needs. Is he working in an airport one day, and it was the glass off gift shop, he was reading the magazine, and he looked up through the glass. And there was this handsome father, with his 16 year old boy and his mother, they're beautifully quaffed. And he was going on a business trip probably to Europe or something, and, and they were about ready to go to the gate. And I saw the man, the man turned to his boy, and leaned down without a hesitation in public with a million people in the report, and kissed him on the cheek and said Take care of your mother. He kissed him on his cheek in public. And the guy reading the magazine, he he couldn't move for about 10 or 15 seconds, mouth to the floor. In one moment. He knew in his head already. But in one moment, the depth the dearth of unmet male need fulfillment was there. And that made him realize even deeper, that the sexual attractions were not really about sex. It was about the sexualization of the unfulfillment of God's plan for little boys to grow into men. So in the therapy offices, if any of these now famous men that I mentioned, ever tell you if you ever hear in their websites, that therapy is a secular experience. And we can sanction that in our church has anything I've said so far sounds secular ish to us so much so that God is out of it. Hmm. Okay, just wanna make sure. In my opinion, in my experience, and it isn't my attention, intention, although I don't tell clients this usually God is in that room every minute. Because when I look at this boy's eyes, and when I see his tears, and I know what the truth is, and I'm privileged, in part, to be there for him so we can heal his inner wounds. It's a thrilling experience. And it is a spiritual experience for him. That is in complete congruence with his spiritual life as a man or a boy of faith. And it just so you know, it gives me an experience of utter joy. Because here's what I experienced, which the men that I told you about, and the reavoice people and the LGBT caucuses, and the politicians will not tell you.
I get to sit there, literally sit there. And the cause of these emotional healing experiences. Watch my clients change their erotic feelings in the moment while they're having therapy. I see it if you need to ask me more questions about that later on. Happy happy to pull it up my in my in my valise over there in the other room. I've got a chock full of case notes of many clients filled with records of them emotionally changing. The very thing saying that the LGBT activists, and these reavoice folks refuse to even check out or give the time of day? What would drive a reavoice person or an LGBT activist or a politician? To not even ask? Go to the professionals who are doing the work, go to the clients to inquire, honestly, whatever they find out. Maybe it's true, maybe it's not, but they're not. And it's because of several reasons. First of all, they're really not interested in God's voice. Not really. They're interested in compassion, without truth. They're interested in being nice. I'm going to write a book called The Tyranny of niceness. I'm not saying Jesus wasn't compassionate or nice. I'm saying that's a part of who he was. Now, do you know why I mentioned turn over the tables moment? What did Jesus do because he was so angry. He turned off. Some some people of faith approached me sometimes or they get skittish, when they see me being rather forthcoming about these issues, and say, Wait a minute, we're called to recall to compassion, whatever. And I speak to them every time and I say, I agree. And these children are being abused by your own state, it's time to turn the tables over.
I think we have a huge problem, just like everybody else who's spoken already so beautifully, these last two days. With the reavoice movement, obviously, and you've already been given reasons why the mark er houses and he's not the only one, the mark er houses of this world, have published, research, and have given professional opinions that are hooked up with the American Psychological Association. And I get it, it's good in a sense that we have a religious person there. But I get the owl molars and I get the Russell mores. But I'm telling you what you've heard here this weekend so far is true. It's true. They're not they don't realize it, I'm not judging them. I'm not condemning them, never going to be my job, don't want that job. I'm making a judgment call. That's what I'm doing. And opinion, based on what the Bible really says, and what the truth have, in this case, what goes on in real therapy, that that complements sound biblical principles. And they just don't know, in my opinion, because I've seen this so many times. There's several reasons. They don't want to rock the boat. They don't want to rock the boat, because there without realizing it, interested in being nice. In my opinion, some of the folks aren't dealing with it, because they have family members who are out and gay, or transgender. And it's tough for them to speak the truth when one of their own family members is dealing with these issues. And I think there's another reason as well, well, two more, some of them. I think, in my opinion, I don't mean any of the men that I've just talked about. But some some of these guys probably have some of the same issues that they can't face within themselves. Fixed even knows exactly what I'm talking about. And some of them just can't face the fact that there might be something within the church that's not really going on as it needs to be. That's causing these issues, and they don't have the courage to check it out. I'd be fine almost with somebody who checked out what I do checked out what people like Steven do and others here, checked it all out and still came to their own conclusions. But that's how you know people that there's naive naivety and even bigotry going on within people of faith because they aren't even checking the evidence. That's how you know. That's how CNN does it. They're not interested in real evidence that's unbiased. Even Fox News who does a pretty good job sometimes, you know, we're all imperfect. Sometimes they're bias to, but what's the what's the remedy for that? Compassion and evidence of truth. You've been going several times today to your Bibles. Great That's where the truth is, in the end, folks. I wanted to speak just for a few minutes before I end in the end. I really think of it is I know it's complicated, in a sense, but you know what, it's really not complicated. Because when you leave today, you're going to want to know well, well, what do I do about it? Well, I'm telling you, I'm beginning to tell you, you're gonna hear more later. This entire issue, if you can think about it this way, is all based on only two real things. I'm talking about LGBT grand philosophy, there's only two things that are really the foundation stone of this belief without which the entire system would fall. You've already heard them even though you may not realize that I was born this way. Scientifically, it's genetic, hormonal, epigenetic. There's no evidence for that conclusively. Or the Christian version is God made be this way. And that's where reavoice comes into the picture. That's where the truth is denied right there on that level. God bless them, God bless them truly. But they're not dealing with the wounds that are in the deepest part of their heart, minds and souls. And that's what I do, folks, I get to do that. And there's more just so you know, I don't ask they want spiritual counseling, I can do that. But just so you know, there's more spirituality coming up even about the Bible that happens to come up organically within their own selves in the, in the therapy experiences than I ever knew would come up, but it's there. And I don't go outside of their belief systems. I work within their belief systems, because they're supposed to be in charge of their lives, I'm there to facilitate a growth healing experience that will make the people of faith experience greater growth and healing, and also directly affect their spirituality. And for secular people, I experienced the same, we experienced the same kind of growth in a sense, because God says, It rains upon the just and the unjust. I'm not gonna withdraw my compassion for a gay identified person. Oh, no. And this is why I'm here to tell you something you can do about it, is this. Some of you may not like this, I don't know. I don't know. When you have an LGBT person come in the building, or you meet them on the street, or you meet them wherever you it is, in my opinion, it is safe to assume that who you're really looking at is a lost little boy and little girl, even if they're 65 years old. How do I know that? Because I see it in my office every single week. The wounds are there. In every single time, now I'm waiting for the day, I'm waiting for the day. Because I really do have an open mind. I do that intentionally. I'm waiting for the day when a person with homoerotic feelings, or even transgender for that matter comes in where there has been no trauma in the family. And that's what this is really all about. It's trauma folks. It's really not about sex. It's about trauma. That's it. If you want to know the small version, that's it. So we deal with the trauma. I have never yet come had a client come in, who when you turn the camera around from that, hypersexual gay porn image, who looks who looks on the saying, we're looking at porn, don't get me wrong. Who, who in the therapeutic processes, then turns the camera on himself, his own heart, his own body? He they just feel awful about themselves, because they've been told they're idiots or horrible or disgusting, or unforgivable, which isn't even biblical. That's what they feel like. It happens every single time varying degrees every single time. And the thing that God put in us is a process called the grief process. You'll find it were in the Old Testament, the grief process that secular men figured out, they knew better than even the Bible and they codified it and call it something else, which is fine, that's fine. They can do that. They give them more scientific explanation. That's fine. No problem with that. Who went into major grief? In the Old Testament? Can you think of anybody? David, thank you. The Psalms are filled while other people to the psalms are filled with King David wrenching his soul in she'll. But what happened in those verses? A little bit later on every one of them what happened? He reached out for God, and the grief process which he had to go through, led to God, and His Spirit was rejuvenated. And he depict now some of that is choice faith is a choice. It is. But that's what happens in therapy. When a person removes the shame, which is the number one goal of roadblock, removal and reintegrate of therapy, this uh, you know, is shame removal, now talking about biblical guilt and talking about shame, the inferiority complex, all that junk when he goes into those wounds, and feels and deals with that, and finally gets it all out. And I teach him something about compassion for those who hate themselves. And yes, they're in my office, I hate themselves. But when they move compassionately through grief, the same automatic relief process happens in the office. Now that's actually the old system I'm talking about. I don't have time to go into the new system, which is so much faster. But but I'll get to that maybe sometime later in, in q&a. Because there's something that's happening in the therapeutic industry that is so much quicker. Getting this that's allowing change in emotional change for sexual feelings, you won't believe it, I'll sound like a snake oil salesman to you. But when that person when that boy, young men, older men goes through that grief process, he feels better, feels better about himself. The inferiority tends to be healed, or it's an ongoing process to get there. And then the minute he remembers that porn image, that gay porn image, I've heard it folks I've heard in my office, he said something like,
that's strange. I have just a little bit of erotic attraction leftover, or I don't have any sexual feelings towards him. How did that happen? David? I hear this. This is what even reavoice people will not tell you. I'm an experienced, thank you. And we keep going with that. And pretty soon, when that marvelous God given my body, mind heart connection, is is filled up. It's a long story short, but nevertheless, when those wounds are healed, and the need fulfillment comes in a boy or a man gets back on a on a healthy track. That's what happens to them. They're their erotic feelings, actually, every single one of my clients except for the unmotivated ones, who quit. But every single one of my clients, I can faithfully tell you right now, at the very least, at the very least, experience an automatic lessening of homoerotic feelings. Now, do you think it's a part of ministry to help a guy minister, so much so that even the temptation lessons or is gone. I considered a ministry. I don't put the sign on my door. But I consider it my calling straight from God. And so I get to see that I get to I get this is almost a quote. In fact, you go to my website, and an amalgam of a quote is on my website. I've had two guys within three months don't even know each other. Look at me after some of these processes, processes and literally say, David, this whole be my own man feeling this in my own body. This feels a lot better than sex with guys. What? They're LGBT folks are gonna tell you something different. But that's what they're telling me. Wow, I don't Oh, you know what? I want to be him. I don't want to have sex with them. That's what they're telling me. What am I supposed to do say? Okay, I guess you're right. I guess you're right. I don't have any right to do that kind of therapy. throw me in jail. I say throw me in jail. Fine. Because I'm going to do it. I decided a long time ago.
Seven years ago, the first therapy ban on minors. No shock occurred in California. And so long story short, it was passed. A lawsuit was prepared with Liberty Counsel or friends at attorneys at Liberty Counsel, and I have the honor of having my name on that lawsuit pick up vs. Brown, Governor Brown. It didn't go through because the Ninth Circuit Court ruled that therapy talk therapy was not free speech. So the good news is, all these therapy bands we think are about to get a death knell because just a few weeks ago in Tampa, an Obama appointed Magistrate Judge of the the 11th circuit court ruled that these therapy bans were a violation of free speech.
And if the 11th circuit court, which they almost always agree with the magistrate says, that's correct, long story short, a lot of mumbo jumbo legal stuff. But long story short, if they agree, then that means immediately or relatively quickly, Florida, Georgia and Alabama, it will be illegal to have therapy bands and all of them will be wiped out. And we think, because Clarence Thomas, thank God and heaven for Clarence Thomas, who just ruled last summer, in the Becerra case that you've heard about already, that the Ninth Circuit Court ruled in error that counseling therapy is a free speech issue. We think that that's what stopped dead in the tracks the adult ban on therapy in California last year, because they saw the handwriting on the wall. So I wanted to tell you today, I have to stop. There's so much more. But I wanted to tell you today about what real therapy is how it complements God's laws. How it is a part of God's voice, and how you can now start to deal with the truth. When you go out of here. No, please know that this really isn't about sex. It's about a belief in inborn causality. And that's your argument. That's really your argument. I wouldn't get into a long drawn an argument with LGBT activists, because I always take them back down to the main issue. The foundation stone is pulled out. Being gay as an inborn, I say gently, compassionately, but I always take whatever they're telling me just take it back to the inborn argument, there is no proof biblically or even scientifically, they can still believe it. But there is no proof. All the messes that have said, Oh, it's it is genetic. All that? Yeah, they've got some pretty nice studies they're worth looking at. But don't you think if they'd proved inborn causality, it'd be across the pages of every newspaper in the whole world? We found the gay gene, and it's just not there. So you can bank it on that. But speaking scripturally where is it that God created men to be with men? This is what is so staggering. I just have to say this. Additionally, it's what's so staggering about even one of the Baptist churches in Dallas, one of the old established Baptist Church in Dallas now welcomes LGBT folks.
And now those that wilsher Baptist Church are allowed a different community to be welcomed with open arms. The message
we want to give to everyone, whether inside the church or outside the church, is that we want to be a church that includes as many people as possible. We're about including not excluding.
That's right. Monday, the church on Abrams wrote in Dallas voted with a whopping 61%, to allow LGBT parishioners full membership to the church,
they can be considered equally with other people for leadership roles in the church, for their children to be dedicated here. And, ultimately, to be married here. He
doesn't understand that when you accept even though you may not realize it, but think folks think it's a matter of truth. When you accept LGBT LGBT philosophy, you are by definition, saying there's something marvelous and wonderful about anal sex. You have to be saying that you can't say welcome all the LGBT folks and not approve of their oneness. I know that was very graphic, but I'm telling you, what's the truth. If you're going to accept LGBT folks in the church, you're going to have to believe that God created them male and male, and that they enter into each other's bodies. And that's a whole union. How come the preachers aren't talking about this? Because they want to be nice. So I'm encouraging you, I'm encouraging you finally, to use all the compassion that you can, especially if your own children are having these issues. There's if there are those who have had these issues or are having these issues, there's a lot of love and the heart of Christ that can enter into their lives and change the way you relate to each other. And change can happen, but it has to be based on truth. It has to be based on based on truth. Love your children in truth and in love, and watch their lives be transformed. Thank you