Bloomfield Zoning Board meeting, February 25, 2021
4:12PM Mar 1, 2021
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Here. zoning Board of adjustment of township of Bloomfield is now in session for the special meeting on February 25 2021. Notice of the time, date, location and agenda of this meeting extension provides at least 48 hours prior to the commencement of this meeting in the following manner pursuant the provisions of chapter 231 or 1975, which is also known as the open public meeting act. One by posting such notice on the bulletin board municipal building into by mailing such notices to the office of independent press for your life and the star ledger. And in addition to that, this meeting is being held in the zone the public is invited to attend due to multiple executive orders issued by Governor Murphy and in an effort to prevent further spread of COVID-19 you may access the meeting either through a cell phone number or three video link. Leading also be available for viewing or be streaming live on Channel 35, Comcast channel 30 Verizon YouTube and Facebook Live. The agenda for this meeting was posted in advance on this zoning Board of adjustment patients township website you may contact the board secretary Nicole Cosenza 973680 until the by can review the application materials prior to or actually after the meeting as well as zoom information to attend this meeting ID 96686053908 is code 203210 with all that having been said Miss consenso please call the roll.
Okay. Miss Brown as Mr. prints here, Mr. Weiner.
Mr Stivers as in
Chairman Michalski. For the record Mr. Johnson is absent Mr. Valmiki is absent and Miss Tolliver will be late.
Again, everybody, let's just check yes. Okay. Miss Oliver is here.
Oh, yeah, yeah. resolvers. Perfect.
we have six numbers in right. Yes,
we have six total, we did have seven. But I got a last minute call out.
Communications resolution resolutions and this we have no such communications. Upcoming applications considered for word planner and our board traffic expert. We have none to consider tonight. And before we move on to old business. I want to point out to Mr. Castillo and I believe he's in attendance. Mr. gaseum. You are the last application this evening is to use guarin. So we only have six members due to the unexpected absence of Mr. Bell Nicky, you wish to remain in attendance? Or would you like to be adjourned at this? Is Jim,
I've got a lot of time when I can talk with my client. I like to explain it to him. And after your first case, I will let you know if that's okay.
All right. Yeah.
Can I just ask if it my case does get reached? Would it be permissible to present and then leave the vote for the next meeting? So somebody could look at a transcript or listen to a tape?
It's possible if I can't guarantee that the missing numbers are agreeable to do so but it's possible.
So I'm going to explain it to my client and buddy into your first case. I have an answer for you.
I thank you.
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Everyone brings us to old business. Under old business item for Hey, is the application and Patricia saboteur as applicant and owner for a bulk varies in any such other relief as may be required. In the zoning ordinance of the township, Littlefield to extend a driveway and a walkway in a residential one family r1 a zone on the premises known as nap 34 block 933 block 91, better known as 71 meeting place the applicant here this evening. And were you being represented by an attorney or you represent yourself?
I'm going to record on someone's house.
And you can go ahead and explain to the board what you want them to do what you're requesting and why they are just,
I'm just gonna swear Miss saboteur in. Can you raise your right hand? Do you swear the testimony you're about to give us the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Yes. Can you just state your name for the record? Thank you. Good.
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Some of the drawings that we submitted for application, the existing houses that are in place, this is a site plan. First drawing, where we're showing the existing driveway, the house is indicated in gray, the existing driveway is approximately nine foot six wide. There is a concrete Front Entry, this is the entrance, it's a single car driveway leading towards garage which is attached to the house. So we're proposing to do is to extend the driveway 11 feet or to widen the driveway by 11 feet in this direction, along with a proposed walkway, just adjacent to that and the car would also be extended the driveway total would be 20 foot six inches,
which is what these exam one, those two sets those two terms, which I believe would act as submissions.
Excuse me, sk one and SK two.
Thank you. Okay.
Looking at the voting ordering schedule, a bond can set back regulations for our one Emerson single family with density residential zones, which we are and I believe that none of this is affected except for the items circled here were the buildings coverage. Well, the building coverage is not the maximum, the maximum required is 20%. The existing is at 19%. There's no change to this, that's a lot coverage is impacted slightly, and the maximum is 45%. The existing is 33%. And the proposed with the driveway widening is 38%. So that increases but still within compliance of this requirement. So looking at the 316 dashboard, this is general street parking and loading. I know the requires that pin I'll just read this item in residential zones. No required parking shall be permitted and anytime yard except in a driveway leading to a garage. The width of such a driveway shall be limited to the width of the garage, not to exceed 22 feet at the building line. I believe this is what we're applying a variance for which we're planning initially for a yeast variance because we're not compliant to this being that the second card or that extension is technically not with them leading to a garage. But according to zoning ordinance Schedule A both the setback regulations and Walker regulations. Were in compliance to this and I believe it's in their hands and not in the form. So I just like want to confirm that first.
It's not it's not a mysteries, it's fixable fairies,
parking is not permitted.
Well parking is permitted if it needs to arise,
right, the proposed expansion that you have indicated does not lead to the garage. And
so you do need a variance for
that interest. Interesting hear me among the board attorney Michael Rubin, the use of a single family dwelling is permitted. The accessory use a driveway and parking is permitted. Because it width of the driveway, there is location outside the parameters of the garage, that is a seat both barriers and not at variance.
Okay, I understand. Okay. Right. So the variance that we're applying for as a doctor is not as experienced as initially thought. So, in considering that I just go through it like to go through the reasons for applying for both variants. So this is the site plan graphically indicates the nature of the backyard, there is a steep slope towards the back area, we have existing concrete steps. side yard setback for going into this is because we own two cars, we have one car, which primarily parks in the existing driveway, the other car uses street parking. You know, that's the only available because we use this garage as storage, as many people do in this neighborhood. And the storage is used primarily for tools, recreational items like bicycles, things like that to the whole item. And so given the tight conditions of the site, there's really nowhere else to put a shed or anything to that nature. As I said, or that sort of storage, there's really no appropriate place on the property to place, anything like that, as you can see from the photo, there's no separation are nothing between each of our neighbors. And so I feel like putting a fence at sorry, quitting a a storage said would actually interfere with the use of our open yard as it is right now. And so that's one of the primary reasons for proposing parking in the front area or additional parking is because there's really no other place to park. And we're using the garage for sure. Other items like, you know, typical normal stuff. The other reason is that there's no walkway at all, for this existing front yard. We raised the driveway short enough to park my car, but that means only about two foot, two feet wide for someone to walk through. So in terms of mailman or someone with a large package. There's really nowhere else to walk if a car's parked here.
Trying to stop you for a second use that equity to mark all these exhibits.
Google is known for that. I'm sorry. I think we're
I don't think we need to mark the zone anymore.
What's the next one? We don't even work the zone. We need to mark is a two.
Okay, and what's the sheet number on this? From the
sheet number? This was not previously submitted. Correct? No.
Okay, so then I'm getting Mr. Bader, I'm gonna need you to send me a hard copy even if you email it to me. Okay, when you get a chance, because I have to have all the exhibits, but okay, I'm working on as a two and that's the site plan with a color picture. Yeah. Okay.
that's fine. That's fine.
Thank you. And then one after that is, is there's a photo in front yard. That's a three. Okay.
I'll need a copy of
that, too. And that photo was taken by you. Can you give us some idea of the date?
December Yeah. So this is December 2020. Okay. Thank you. And
it was at the last exhibit? Yes,
yeah. I do have a bunch more. But I'll submit this whole PDF, because that's perfect.
So the rest of the PDF are all photos right?
There photos, and then one or two diagrams in the end for maps.
So why don't we mark them where they want to see those before we submit them as exhibits. Say that again,
like, it's up to the board, whether they want to see all the exhibits before they are submitted and marked into evidence. They all need
to be presented by the applicant and establish what they are, what the significance is, who created these and so they have to,
we're not accepting until presented, we have to display them all. You can't just submit things that you can display on your screen.
I think you want to stop
here, you're going to have to delete the other stuff that you didn't show and just submit what you've shown.
Okay, that's fine. I can go back to the drawings that I've already submitted. Yes. Yeah. Okay, so I'll stop here. And I'll just talk through the other drawings that I have previously submitted. Okay. So, yes, so I described that there's no parking, other than the existing driveway, we use the garage for storage, there's nowhere else to place the storage set on the site. The other the other reasons would be that there is an existing church as the kind of going down the block between watchdog and eating place. There's a map here, but I'll submit it first before talking through it. And that church has no parking lots, they primarily parked on the street, and sometimes parking directly in front of our property. And I have no issues with that. It's just that what do they do have a function, there's, it's very difficult to find parking and very difficult to get inside and outside of our private driveway. With you know, being that it's only a nine foot six wide distributed, not as the students not really that wide of both both sides of the street or Park farm. So it becomes very cumbersome to maneuver out of our current driveway and onto the street. And so those are the reasons for applying for widening the driveway. The other the last point I'd like to make is that there are current houses on our block do have this additional parking. So it might live it's because of the same issues that I presented, where many grocery stores, there's a church on the corner that typically parks on the street with the theologians. I feel that this is many other reasons why we're applying for this are any
sorry. Thank you. I guess I do have a question from Mr. Senator
will tell me other homes have a parking in the front similar to what you are asking for Are there other homes that have parking in addition to the good boy
tonight tsunami directly close in our factoring. Then maybe more further down the block. There's just kind of walk there's about two or three. There are residences with two garages. So I know the difference between a two garage with I believe, for that zoning regulation for parking. their personal to have to like a wide driveway that accommodates two cars because they have two garages. But the houses that I'm referring to are several, like one one garage attached to the house and a single driveway that they've extended to be wider to accommodate to cars. So there are a couple of houses on our black woman that have that condition exist right now.
Thank you. And also, how is your parking on both sides of the street is allowed.
Parking is allowed on both sides of the street. I wanted to also point out that, with with cars directly parked across from each other, there's really not much space in the street is very now.
I mean, you end up with parking on both sides, you end up with practically a one lane Street. Yeah.
The question was, do you think that by having a wider driveway up, you know, to accommodate the second parking area, aren't you now reducing the number of spaces that are will be available on on for on street parking, because now you will not have that distance to allow for parking between two areas. Therefore making a great shift for your neighbors as well.
Now, slightly by 11 feet. So this patch, when considering via Jason, is Jason palace and then their driveway, there would still be enough food for two cars, I believe on the street just on this along the sidewalk. So we reduced it slightly, but I think it alleviates like us in the danger of this cars parked on our driveway. And we're trying to back out. I think it alleviates that like fear of property damage on other cars. And you know, of course we're careful coming out. But it's just becomes like a hardship once when there are cars parked surrounding our driveway. They do anything they think that I think the benefit of that is greater than reducing the parking. And our neighbors, there are some neighbors that have to like a wide driveway that can accommodate two cars already.
I think past the existing parking as much on the street,
I recognize you're not a planner and normalized. But do you think that the design of the area was to have this more of a, a close close knit neighborhood. And then by by expanding the cars usage on the roadway, you know, by expanding the parking, it has time to kind of diminish that effect. Or the intent of the design of that area.
I think we attempted to contact because the houses are still where they are relative to each other. And we're friends that it ever is. So the community has a neighborhood and design you will still function in the same way in terms of like a close knit community. Then, like I showed in one of the previous photos, there's an offensive between our neighbor, our backyards, like everything is both them. And we like it that way. So putting in that extended or widened driveway wouldn't really impact that relationship that we have with our neighbors. And then there would be existing houses nearby that have this condition already there the second you know, and the driver by the driveway that hadn't really impacted the community so far. differently. I think it would help because it alleviates that it reduces the stress in the parking on the street and everyone does have a second car or third car. Like it's very. I mean, not everyone but it's typical. I noticed in our neighborhood that everyone has a second or third car and so becoming becoming crowded when this design of the configuration of the house and one driveway, so likely any of our houses built in 16th when it was simple as that for a family to have one Car tents have really changed. And it's typical that each household has two or more cars.
But they are not asked to tell you how to design your living. But the garage was kind of designed for a car. Therefore, two cars would actually fit they're
also very narrow. So sometimes like if you have an SUV or larger vehicle, it's very tight. The garages maybe it'll fit like a car from the 1960s well and comfortably. But if it is a larger vehicle, it becomes really cumbersome also. So that's why a lot of like ABS 1000 years that primarily for storage deck, you know, other items like tools and such estate have more than a sedan, or even a large sedan like a wide sedan hardly fits through the width of the existing garage door. You have to be very careful when you're walking space around it. Okay,
thank you very much.
Another question, I believe.
I think Mr. Chairman,
is a bit here.
Based on what you submitted,
I think Mr. Prince covered
most of what
I was going to ask you reading my mind. But But I had a question. Is it the curb cut that you're proposing? Is that the intent of what you need? Because my understanding is you're the issue you're trying to solve is to allocate space for two cars within on your property, is that correct?
So do you need a 22 foot wide curb cut? Or is that only because you've, it's the way it's sewn in in the site plan.
we're requesting for the current pet, because pets also be extended with 11 foot extension on a piece of parcel that's widen primarily because just for function to be able to exit the driveway in that manner. To reduce the curb cut, I mean, we just have to make sure it's functional personnel 36, more than less than what we're showing here. If I mean, we can examine those, I guess those options, but I just want to make sure we're able to get out of the driveway to do it.
And understand it. My my concern is that you're, you know, the issue you're having today is that you're being using a spot on the street. And ideally, if you were to be able to allocate the space onto your driveway, you'd be opening a space in the street. However, in this case, it looks like you're removing you're adding space to your driveway solving an issue but also removing a spit space, that's potential for someone's use on the street. be wondering if there's an opportunity here to try to solve both issues.
Maybe even less than the curb cut, instead of the total. Instead of the total 11 feet, maybe like a portion of that, just making sure that there's no cars parked in the existing driveway as it is now some cars parked here, we would have to just make sure that this car can come out, you know, it distributes. Yep. So I mean, I understand the concern for eliminating a parking space here. That's not our intention. Another way to look at it is we know our car's parked here. But instead we're placing it here. So this gets freed up for another car, or maybe a neighbor's car. As long as you know it can fit you know, in this in this little segment, but
in the shaded in the shaded area today that is a parking space correct? Where you have the proposed curb?
Right, this is this is the current parking spot on the street.
Okay, that's that's my concern. Okay. So
I think I've I've, you've answered my question. Thank you.
Any questions for
All right, I have a few questions. You You mentioned that other homes similar to yours have driveway widening similar to what you're proposing. Do you know if they are in fact, legal widening of the driveways, those other locations?
And not certain? Now? I haven't been acquired and without them? Yeah, I just
served a long time the board I don't recall other applications on even play. So we can't say whether we have legal examples of why they need driveways or where they come from, it's I don't know. You stated that even places particularly narrow Do you know what the right of way is on a place
to go with? It's on, it's on your survey. I could read it for you, it says 50 feet.
And when we hear from Mr. maroochy, or on the voice engineer later on, I think he would sustain that the 50 foot is a standard right away and for many, many, many residential streets in Bloomfield, which would not make it particularly narrow, or totally different than other other locations in the town. And the other question I wanted to ask you is, are you aware that the Bloomfield ordinances required for a single family house such as yours to have two parking spaces on the property, one of which must be inside a garage, and the other one may be in a driveway leading up to the garage? Are you familiar with that?
That was the excerpt that we read earlier.
Right. So currently, as it stands, you have the two required spaces that are required by law one in the garage, even if it is somewhat tight, and you have the one in the driveway, which, according to your drawing is, appears to be 27 feet, which would actually sit two cars in the existing driveway. So you have spaces for a total of three. To obtain a variance of time you're asking for you need to show a hardship with respect to land use. So if there is such hardships with respect to land use, you should bring them out before the board now appears to me that your existing arrangement meets meets the ordinance requirements.
For the 27 feet and fitting two cars, the second car would stick out. I mean, we've seen it recently where the snow on the ground, where we analyze a park on the street because of no pileup and the removal of snow. So in our house, as well as the other houses on the block without the light and driveway, and then the cars are parked in front of each other on the existing driveway. It goes up to 27 feet. It goes into the sidewalk and sometimes on to the ramp portion.
And was going to go through the photo of them today. But I'll just admit it first.
So it blocks the sidewalk and it's not ideal. They can make some unsafe condition on the existing sidewalk for people walking by like now. Left carriers are our neighbors walking through the car and talking to sidewalk.
Essentially, you could submit anything you could present any exhibits you have tonight. We're making them so if I didn't make myself clear, is that you can submit exhibits after the hearing that you did not show to them can show any additional photos or anything else you want to show but after the hearing is over, you can't submit anything that we did not show tonight.
Okay, thank you for clarifying that. We'll just go to that forum. I was talking to somebody very small on the street. Before let's
let's make sure we mark this just so we don't lose track. This will be a four so you'll have to send this one to me. So thank you go ahead, I'm sorry.
With the second part, it does block the fire. Just as a photo indicates
this is our house. Yes, just having one place. I think that's a hardship like in chapter one, I guess in the neighborhood. And also we have characters and ups, Amazon delivery people, it becomes a hardship to walk through. And security alleviated by a widened driveway with our vehicle was to the side rather than blocking the sidewalk. And then in the back, you do see there are our neighbors who didn't have the lightening are over here. They also have vehicles back to back. So people, typically people have more than one vehicle, I'm not utilizing that garage for perfecting this, I mean, an SUV likely doesn't fit in there.
One of your vehicles an SUV.
sedan is by far one of them are lighter, that the mirrors are very difficult to fit through. And my parents were going to MTV, and they frequently visit very difficult
figure out where they can park sometimes. And I also go to the map that shows
we're gonna mark this as a five.
Yes. Okay. So there's this property that has one garage, and two sacks for two cars with a white and a driveway. This is our property in blue. So this is one of them. The other one is this property where this is also one garage with a widened driveway. So that's the second property. This property has two garages. So that's this one, I think I believe this is fine. So that's two garages, and a wide driveway, one currently empty each garage. But this is one example. Where is the condition that we're seeking? And so is this one
as a question,
a member of the public have a question.
I would I need the share screen to be taken off. So I can just check and make sure nobody. That's okay. You can just stop sharing your screen. There you go. Perfect. All right. I don't see anybody's hands raised.
Any other questions for
the applicant have anything else to add? If you have any additional witness?
I have nothing else to add. Thank you, no additional access.
So what we'll do is we'll hear from the board's engineer, Mr. maroochy. And then after that, you'll have an opportunity to
summarize if you wish,
before the board deliberates. So with that, please welcome Mr. Buchi.
Do you swear the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? And the
standard name for the record? Anthony? Thank you, Anthony.
Mr. Chairman, members of the board I in my report is is pretty short in the sense that the Africa needs a variance in order to wind the driveway wider than the width of the garage. That's what what she's here for. My concern is that the the proposal with seems more than then what really is required, they're looking at the wider driveway, 11 feet, and then another walkway, two and a half feet for a total of 23 feet. That's wider, then more than half of the width of the house. So that's a lot of pavement in front of the house in my opinion. The second part of that is the the proposal parking space is actually blocking the front entrance to the house. It's right in front of the front door. I know the board has had situations like this in the past, and I made a recommendation in my record that maybe instead of winding it all to the left, why did why did it to the right, they have seven more feet on the side of the house. And maybe by winding to the right and maybe just two or three feet to the left, they can fit two cars side by side without having to wipe the entire curb cut it because you can swing in and out of it that way, if that's the purpose of it is the foot too far side by side. I also went out when I looked at the photograph before that car that was parked there, the great part didn't seem like was all going back to the garage. And it seemed like you could put another bar there. The the the sketch that the app can show is a little deceiving if I may, if you make put that up again, maybe I can explain it.
You're, you're correct in your plan that that the setback of the house is 47 feet. But then the town has 10 feet of right away from the curb to that right away line. In other words, you're showing a grassy area or a an apron area and a walkway. But there's another three feet before you get to your property line. So technically up to the sidewalk, you have about 30 feet. That's not really exactly the way you're showing it. Mr. Chairman, if you asked us before, the right away on eat the places 50 foot wide, yes, which is a normal right away in any residential zone in town. That that 50 foot right away contains a 30 foot pavement from curb to curb. And then 10 foot of right away on either side for the sidewalk area. And that's normally three feet of grass, four feet of sidewalk and then three feet of grass behind the sidewalk. So technically there's there's probably 30 feet there where you put the two cars one behind the other. But again to try and massage this, I can see why they get on the right hand side and a little bit on the left foot too far side by side if that's what the athlete wishes, but the know a full 23 seat. I mean, that's more than half of the house in terms of a in that other photograph an aerial photograph of the house across the street, if you look at that in the driveway is is widened. The driveway is widened to the left of the garage, not not towards the house.
And I am provide a couple of questions to you that
you can ask Mr. maroochy. Questions. Yes.
So for the extension in this direction added to the right list because there's an existing tree that we don't want to remove is on this side. We don't want to interrupt. Sir. things happening underground wouldn't want to encroach on that. As much as it currently is like they just see driveways literally on top of that, and that's the reason for standing in this direction. And for the comment regarding the pavement being too much. I believe we're still under here with a new lot coverage. We're still not past 45% that's when the existing that's with the existing driveway plus the proposed driveway and the walkway.
I give that that's your preference. If you don't want to take the tree down that's your preference. My job is to explain to the board different options. The board makes the final decision with respect to coverage. I'm not concerned coverage of concern about a parking spaces blocking the front entrance to your house, the front door. And this this can have if the board approves this, I know that every application is based on its own merits, but I can see the whole block more than this. And then you have a lot of payment in front of every house. But that's just my opinion. I have nothing further to chair.
I need your opinion on the live coverage. Mr. maroochy. The applicant stated that the proposed lot coverage it was the existing driveway, the new driveway in the house. Are there other elements that are included in lock coverage, such as there's a block patio, a concrete block on either side, and concrete steps are
included in the in the in the
state that those were included in the calculations or the back patio, in the back, as well as other elements that are paid.
Thank you. Other questions for Mr. maroochy?
Is there any member of the public who has a question for Mr. Richie?
I just need the share screen to come down and be able to see. Thank you. I don't see any hands. Nope.
I sound like a broken record. Is there any member of the public who wishes to come forward? He's sworn in and make a statement? No. So we're done with the with the testimony, the applicant has now the opportunity to summarize if you wish to do so.
Yes, I'd like to provide a summary. So to summarize our we are planning for both variants to pursue lightening of our current driveway. And we did it will alleviate hardship on our end, as well as hardship impose our neighbors, I'm tired of delivery people entering the house with the wide end driveway plus the walkway. And I just like to thank everyone for listening to the testimony and
preserving the evidence or in the diagrams in Photoshop. And thank you. Thank you to the board for hearing us today.
Time for public hearing is closed on the board discussion must be done. Who would like to read the discussion?
Well, my guest board special. Well, I listened carefully to the applicant and I'm sympathetic to the issues of on street parking I have that where I live as well. But given the fact that Mr. Ricci clarified that it's a normal standard street size.
You know, I don't see that as a hardship to the particulars here that were brought forth. I, I want to just start with the fact that we have an ordinance that prohibits primary parking. And I feel very strongly that we should not encourage that, again, trying again on what this merge, he said, I do feel that that would be a slippery slope, and we would be potentially see other applicants that wanted the same thing, which would be very aesthetically and visually appealing and require, you know, in this case, or in other cases, I don't think that we should necessarily give a waiver unless there's some significant reason. I didn't think that it was good to lose the strict workings that my colleague went through and to try let's walk through that. So what I do obviously be a problem. I wasn't really persuaded that the garage was too narrow. And I think hypothetically, you could always get a smaller car which I know you were hypothetically then you could have a larger car but the rationale was the other way. There are small electric cars there are small get on so I'm not really persuaded there. I wasn't really sure what to make Have the argument about not having space or the visual through line in the backyard to put a shed, I think that might put the bicycles and other things. But the reality is, one never knows what other neighbors will do. So while there are no fences now that could easily I don't know that that said from being there anyway. But in overall, I'll just say, I don't think that the proof met the bat that the boundary that it needs to. And I am sympathetic, but I feel that we should not approve this request.
Thank you. Well, it's true. essence, Gemini.
I'm sorry, it's difficult to hear you for a moment there. But board members, I am going to have to concur with my colleague, Mrs. Brown on in this respect, it is it is very unfortunate. And you know, as you all know, parking is an issue throughout the town. And can we have the mental well, being but as Mr. maroochy have pointed out, it can be a blocking of the front door is an issue issue for me in front yard parking is is just not a desirable, you know, and as it is many people have done precisely as this avatar has done, and that is to use their driveway as your primary parking rather than a garage. And we're all aware of several properties that we had approved several years ago, maybe a decade now ago, where people have double wide garages and no one's using those garages and everyone is parked in front of their homes. And so now we have this double wide garages on the street are where the entire just about, you know, half a block everyone parks in the front. And it is something that the town wishes to avoid. And and as as a resident and as a member of avoid it is something that we truly wish to avoid. So I'll have to bring with my cosmic colleague and not be in favor of this outcome. Thank you.
I am dissuaded from from approving this. on the basis that there there are a minimum two illegal spaces as required by law against one of these in a garage
is required to have such a parking space in your garage and we'll add one additional space in front of the garage.
And a possibility
that as a minimum there is at least the required two spaces. And I'm not convinced that a hardship with respect to land use
is evident here.
And so on. Climb food my colleagues. Not not as supportive. Yeah.
That's already the majority. I
know. What else do we keep?
Yeah, because if it's a tie, it's on detained emotion please.
Chairman, Mr. board members and Chairman i would i would make a proposal that we wrote a motion that we do not approve this application. Second,
I'll second Mr. Chairman.
Thank you, Miss Brown.
Okay, Miss Brown. Oh, wow. Am I voting you're voting to deny? Okay,
so I'm voting no, no.
I want to agree to deny the petition.
voting yes to deny.
Yes, I agree with the petitions and deny the applications. Okay. Thank you.
Mr. Wagner. Yes, Miss Tolliver? Yes. Oh, wait. Oh, yeah. Mr. Stivers?
Yes application for
Thank you Miss avatar.
That brings us to the next application.
Mr. Chairman? Oh, yeah, interrupt you. I'm sorry. I indicated that I would fill up with my client and let
you know at the end of the first case, yes, thank you indicated there were only six board members. It doesn't appear seventh will be coming.
And a couple of other issues came up based on a review. Mr. Williams, his report that probably needs to be clarified in conjunction with the use berries.
So I'm going to ask to be adjourned
to as soon a meeting as we can be heard, and I understand the board is backed up and very busy.
reserved APR four.
Yeah, APR is empty on purpose. The only thing is I don't have the schedule for me because I can't remember the date if somebody has an
APR eight. Okay. If somebody
can just double check, I'm sure the
Thank you. So it would be April 8.
My memory is not as bad as I thought you'd see that. I'm so we're Joe without further notice that April 8 at 7pm. And the goal will be number one on the agenda.
Yes. As of right. Yeah, yes. Okay. Mr. Chairman, that Okay,
we have to find your way the time constraints.
Are your waiting time? I
am waiting the time constraints. Yes, absolutely. All right.
May I have a motion to adjourn? What 320 belville avenue for the regular meeting of April 8 at 7pm. No further notice required.
Someone move that please. I'll make that motion.
Is there a second?
I'll second that motion. Mr. Wagner. Wagner second.
voice vote board. All in favor, please say aye.
No one opposed. 20. Double Adnan's john de Blake. For the other day. He was chairman
He then. Got it. Thank you.
Mr. Chairman. Sorry to interrupt before you get on the next case. I'm not needed for anything else on the application since 320. delville was airy. Do you need me for anything else? time?
That's the same for George as well. No, I
don't think we need our traffic engineering or planner or anything else this evening. We thank you for coming. And
Have a nice evening.
Thank you. Have you needed to stick around? Listen, George. I do that.
All right. Have a good evening.
Let's say there was four days. Under old business is the application Natalie Nelson Martin has applicants and owners for bulk variances and associated relief as may be required zoning ordinances to keep already installed pavers in your rear yard on the premises known as map seven walk on 20 611 100.07 better known as seven six will be the applicant here.
I don't see them.
I didn't get any emails that they wouldn't be here either. So I'm not really quite sure what happened.
If we call Did you get proof of notice?
I did. I double checked all my applications. But hold on. I will look really quick.
Technology suggests me adjourn until the April meaning and let Nicole reach out. further notice now.
What I'll do with Mr. Reuben is we'll go through the other case we'll have shows up. And then we'll join Wall Street at the very end.
Okay, so moving right along
to all business items for sale. And Nicole remind me to come back to the street. You got
The application is to convert the IR star as applicants and nominees for both sciences.
And relief as may be required is an enormous potential to do so in addition, garage slash, and that's also one seminar will be done with them to download maps. Nine block one and you do so from there now. 90 of
the applicants here. Yes. Are you representing yourself? All right. So
if both of you are going to appear then both need to be sworn in. Okay.
Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Okay, I'm gonna need you to state your name for the record. Mr. kusuda, something's going on with your mic. I can't really you're very muffled we can't hear you.
Oh, wait, say hello. Hello.
all right. Perfect.
Okay, your name again? I'm sorry. Okay. And this is quite strict. Can you state your name for the record?
I'm sorry, you guys.
I'm sorry. Say that again? Thank you.
So you can see them and explain to us what what do you want to do and what variances you're requesting, or justifications for?
We're applying for setback variances for in order to reconstruct the garage that we used to have on our property. The setback requirements as we understand it, to the five foot side yard and five foot rear yard setbacks. Our garage was three foot from the side yard and three and a half from the back. This past summer, we hired a contractor to do work on our garage. We were just trying to give it a facelift. And due to his carelessness caused it to collapse. And it was not not unsound. It was perfectly fine to Raj. He told us he had a supportive he did not. And now we're in this situation where we no longer have a garage. We have approached the town's billing department after the collapse, asking them what we needed to do to proceed to reconstruct it. We thought we were going to need a building permit. They were the ones who informed us that we were going to need to come before this board to get variances for the setback requirements.
Some of the structure was preserved, you would need the damage but sensors collapse entirely that creates the need for the batteries. Go ahead. I'm sorry. No, that's
I'm sorry, I apologize. This is really the first time we've ever had to do something like this. I don't know.
Take your item.
I don't know if you need me to present the site plan that we submitted. Why don't
you do so and when you're doing so you explain exactly where the garage is go. And you told us to propose a three foot setback but no explain to us things like are you building it on the existing foundation of the garage using the same slab? All of these things? are reasons why you might even areas and you should.
Sure thank you that that's correct. The slap that the garage was on from the foundation that it was on is still standing but the garage is a diploma loss. If I may, I'll share for the board our property survey that was submitted.
Mike if this is something they'd submitted to we have to mark it
and they won.
so this is our property survey that we had performed when we purchased our home in 2008.
the garage in the back corner wood frame garage. It shows the three foot setback from the side and the 3.4 foot setback from the rear. It also shows that that already a little bit the driveway has a skew to it. Try to accommodate those setbacks. So I know that if we tried to move at the additional two feet, it would be even further off of the driveway.
To the side,
not the survey did not pick up the fact that
there is a tree and a patio next
to the garage. And another reason,
we did not want to have to dig up the slab and foundation that's there and try to move. And then the so along with the survey that we submitted, we also created a plan using that same survey just to show that we want to restore the garage, the same footprint.
Okay, we're gonna mark we're gonna mark that. Just so everybody knows. Go ahead. I'm sorry, I
missed a question. Oh, no
problem at all.
So really quite a simple application, I think. We know we need the variances. We've spoken to a lot of our neighbors, every house on this, on this street, and the block behind us all has similar garages in similar locations. So it's not a deviation really from what we see in the neighborhood.
Another thing, I guess, that I wanted to point out is that like the the survey in 2008, when we bought the house shows only this little a tree there. And it shows no tree here. But
schmear enter a photo into
absolutely one market a three, just remember, you're gonna have to get that photo to me, I need a physical copy of it. Sure.
So this is a photo we have of the garage as it stood before the class. So you can see that it had a concrete slab that it sat on.
Well, I'm gonna show my kids,
that's fine. Anything you're gonna show me that we don't have as part of the application just I'm gonna mark this next picture, a4. Just remember, this all has to come to me.
Yeah, we didn't plan this, and we don't have good photographs.
have this from the summer.
So the reason I wanted to show that and share that is because this is not a small little tree, this is a chestnut. And this is in our in our property. And, you know, my husband and I were talking about the variance and the ability of moving this, this tree has roots. And, you know, I don't I'm concerned like, I don't know what would happen if we tried to move it down the patio there and the tree there. If we put it into the roots, I don't know what that would
do to the tree.
So, you know, we've trimmed it back, and you could see that we trim it. So I wouldn't want to lose that either. You know, along with the fact that we have a slab
we never intended to
lose the garage.
So I think that pretty much concludes what we were trying to present tonight Just to give you a history of what what occurred, the fact that we didn't have any intention of removing the garage, we didn't have a plan to do so. And and immediately after the incident we reached out to the town directly to find out what what the correct next steps were. We submitted I know I think I talked to the town and got our application back in September. It's been a long road to get here tonight.
So as I understand it, then the the hardship with respect to land use here is that you have pre pre existing slab and foundation that you wish to preserve. And that pre existing condition creates a hardship and if you were to move the frame garage, there will be a hardship with the difference with a tray and there won't be the hardship the plus the alignment with the existing driver of the proper.
All these are factors
that he believes as opposed to
the other question I'll
ask and the answer is not really clear.
Have you calculated a lot coverage to see if you need a lot coverage varies across
When we made our application that was done for us by the township, and we were told we were okay. We were told that we only needed to set back then.
Mr. Chairman, don't have a lot coverage we really changed because the head to the garage floor, we remain courteous today.
Right, but I'm looking at the photograph here. And I noticed that his patio coverage and with the applicants before, so it has other galleries. Should they be wrapped up in the same action we take?
I think they're changing anything existing? I'm not really sure that information presented that you can really do that. Okay.
So no, limit this down to the setbacks.
Are there any questions for the applicant?
I just need them to unshare the screen, and I can see if there's any hands up. I don't see anybody's any questions. I see. Oh, there she is. Yeah. Okay. At the lower right. You know, I you know why, and sometimes I look forward to the right. It's confusing.
I was a feet behind you. So I have a question. For the applicant. When they do the plans include creating a replica of the prior set, it's an athlete's polar, right, it's going to be the same height, the width and depth.
That is correct. We have to get hands drawn up by an architect, I understand from the building department.
And are you planning to add any kind of plumbing or
electric to it?
Or even a copy what you had there, but just have to be new and? Right.
they had an electrical for the garage door, and there was a floodlight on the outside. So that will be replicated. So it's going to be replaced these times. So that's what we're asking we given them what was their replacing times and then whatever code needs to be whatever codes need to be
complied with? Yeah.
Getting under the publican?
Yes, Mr. Chairman, sorry, I was having an issue with my mic. I like to, of course, I like to ask you, but I noticed in one submission that there was a add on extension to the garage, you don't plan to replace that extension in the same manner, you are going to extend the garage to the length of that extension, so that it won't have that parents
it looks like an addition that was put on maybe quite some time ago on to garage and you don't plan to replicate that exact appearance.
You're asking a question I hadn't really considered, you know, our intention, I believe the garage measure 10 by 20. So our intention was to put back a rectangular frame 10 by 20 Garage.
Now there's not there, it's if you'd like to, if you can put that exhibit back up, please.
I know what you're talking about the previous owner to carry Magnus put this little box so that they could have the overhead door come down. And that's part of that's in the footprint of the of the survey. So this is what you're talking about here.
and so your new your new roofline and your extension will be from where that gutter is back to the back.
having this little jog. I mean, if it makes a difference, we can put the job there.
Unless you like it. That sounds curious about the aesthetics of it.
I actually think not to get into the details. I like that little booth there. I think it's nice, better than just the box but
we I don't I don't think we've gotten to that part yet. We just wanted to see things okay to put it back.
We're just going to just
wasn't an addition will be from the base of what we're currently looking at there. Okay. All right. I just wanted that clarity.
Thank you very much. Many garages in the town had those extensions, and they were put on because vehicles became longer. And
the owners felt
this his cat, his Cadillac didn't fit. And they wanted that overhead.
It makes perfect sense really.
Especially for Cadillac in 1912. Absolutely.
Absolutely. Yeah. You have anything else to present to us? applicants? No, not really. No, unless
there was any other questions that another photograph might help answer.
I don't see any other questions. The public had no questions. For the next day, we deal with the hear from the boardroom.
And following that, because the public has an
opportunity to summarize.
So with that, where do you swear the
testimony you're about to give us the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Just a name for the record.
Thank you, Anthony.
Mr. Chairman and members of the board, the app can actually has answered my concerns, the fact that they're going to use the same foundation is saying floorcloth floor area, that that's why they're there in front of the board for the barricades. And it doesn't make sense to keep the garage in the same location because of the swing from the driveway would be a much harder swing, if they had to move it at five feet in five minute five D plus costs. I saw the photograph of the tree, I have to agree that it should say great where it is. And so I have no no problems with this application as presented.
Does anyone have a question for Mr. Murphy, for the public? Or any member of the public who wishes to be sworn in make a statement? Now
all right, applicants have been up to summarize if you wish to do so the applicants have an opportunity to summarize if you wish to do so you don't have to.
I guess our only request is just
get it back where it was.
Thank you. Republic areas closed board discussion. Mr.
Chairman and the chairman, considering the this hardship condition game, no fault of the applicants and also considering the the setback issues are pre existing, and their intent is to restore the garage to his original position and take in consideration Mr. maroochy is concerned but betrayed, which I like if i would i would agree to approve this application.
For instance, anyone else? Yeah, I
would. I would also like to state that given the driveway, you can see in the plan that there was some some consideration to the setback for the garage in the in the original plans is that they they attempted to try to bring the driveway to a garage that was at least some setback from where the driveway and where the building was. So I think that that has merit as well to keep the original variants and continuous.
Anyone else? Hear me no one else saw a motion please.
I'll make a motion to approve this application.
Is there a second?
Second, Mr. Chairman, seconds is
Yes, Mr. Prince? Yes. Mr. Wagner? Yes, Mr. Palmer?
Mr. Stivers? Yes, Chairman
Okay, guys, we're
Thank you very much. This has been a stressful so if you're understanding
no problem Have a good night guys.
Four D under oath is the application of lc durairaj as applicant owner for both trances and a such other relief is not required
to keep my already constructed to Zeebo.
Not in a rear yard residential one family r1 a film
is known as
14 block featuring a lot going on as one fixture Really?
Yes, she's here.
Are you representing yourself?
Until you just find a quieter location?
Raise your right hand Do you?
Miss where do you have video are now. Oh, there you are. You're coming up now. Okay, perfect.
Do you raise your right hand? Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth? just state your name for the record. I'm gonna need you to speak up a little bit. You're very soft spoken.
Now. Super, super again.
Okay, so I was I'm not sure how to go about everything. But I'm aware that you have your application as what I was applying for was a phone and use variance for the people that I have already created and constructed at the time of creation I didn't know you know, we're brand new here to the town that here a couple years but I definitely didn't know what I needed.
So I we started this you know, started creating this busy bow. And then we're getting we got summons for it. So we and he wants to do everything the right way.
So as you can see here as you can see here, let me see if I can pull up with the shape of the screen share just the the updated
survey that shows what we have in place at the moment. Okay, we're gonna mark it a one anyway, even though it was something that was already submitted. Okay, go ahead, follow along.
So this is only have a 2030 by 20 basically, that you can hide and
this is what I want to put in. Like I said, I just want to prevent this and have a feel for the variances.
He needs to tell us about burying tissue want and what's the what hardships Craig, can you put it in other words to justify it to weigh in and put it in place of concern? So
I guess the ones that I see are
well, I see the violation. Exactly. Everything. So I just know the Balkan area
and basically it is a recreational location. It's for my family. It's something that because I know we do have a C section
for like a
year. patio area.
But this patio area does not fit into things that we want to put in there, which is
being covered from
the rain. And this can be I mean, as you can see we have a lot of space here. utilize it.
I'm not sure.
What I'm going to do is we'll
hold off on your testimony for a while. And we'll pull on this energy that was engineered to go into court. And you'll have the opportunity to ask questions, and then we'll return to you to see if you can comment on the matters that Mr. Roshi raises and the variances that he's identified. And please identify the variances that are new. And
then as you apply it, it will be willing to listen, listen up
for a minute, and then I'll come back to you and see if you can address any questions.
Right. Raise your
right hand, raise your right hand. Do you swear the testimony you're about to give is
the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? I do the state name for the record. Anthony maroochy.
Thank you, Anthony.
Mr. Chairman and members of the board. You have my report that's dated February 5 2021. This application is a result of a violation where the applicant has already constructed this busy both. It may not be finished but it's under construction and apparently they she she received a violation notice from zoning and also from construction, I think they put a stop work order on it. And that's why the app is here before you in terms of zoning violations. The gazebo is considered an accessory structure and accessory structures have a number of requirements. First of all the property is a corner lot and a corner lot has two front yards. So technically you see that you have the survey there that's on the screen. The the gazebo was actually within the front yard so there are a number of violations with respect to zoning and I outlined them in live report. The first is the fact that except for garages no accessory building shall exceed 80 square feet and obviously this is 20 by 20 so it's 400 square feet. Except for garages no accessory building shall exceed eight feet in height and the gazebo according to the plan that was submitted is approximately 15 feet in height it's actually says that on the survey 15 feet plus or minus number three no accessory building or structure shall be permitted any front yard again like I said, like I stated being a corner lock it gazebo is located within the front yard on the Franklin Street side. And the fourth is the is that accessory building shall only be located in rear yards. Well in this case, again, it's a front yard. So these are the violations and unfortunately this is what happens when an applicant doesn't come into zoning first it asked for permission or for a zoning permit. If the applicant had come into the office and asked for a zoning permit. Either I or Mr. vz. My my deputy could have instructed the applicant of maybe where they can put the gazebo or how big they could put it but again this is all after the fact now at this point. Those are the violations if
you have any other concerns that we
might concern is the eye, again on their plan on their construction plan. They show up a fan as in the ceiling. That means they're going to read, they're going to, they're proposing some type of electrical for the canopy. And so my concern is, is that or are they proposing to put lighting in there? Because they plan to use the gazebo after after hours after. Again, it's in the front yard. So these are concerns of mine. Again, because this, it also goes a little beyond beyond my expertise, but but the fact that it's already constructed, and my concern is, is it constructed properly? And that's why should the Board approve this application that they come in and get the proper permits for zoning and construction. I disable this type, you have to be worried about wind loads. If it's not constructed properly, this property sits up on the hill. You notice on the survey, it has retaining walls, around Willard and also around Franklin, something on the hill. And, you know, Dorian major storm event, the major wind event, if it's not constructed properly, it can go up in the air. I just want to leave it at that at this point. But at this point, the applicant has as the application before the board and and again, should the Board approve it. I don't want to just make sure that it's it is constructed properly. But I would like to know from the applicant about lighting also.
I see it more better with the side with the details of the towing a half feet by three and a half feet.
Could you tell us how, how big that is? Is that comparable? For example to say the two car garage or? Well,
it's a little over, it's just a little over 400 square feet. So technically, it's a two car garage. If it were close, then yes, it is comparable to the two car garage
trying to get an idea of scale here.
do you know what this is visible from Willard Avenue and from Franklin
Well, obviously it is because on the corner and it's basically sits in the front yard. On both sides.
Other questions for Mr. Chairman, I have one question. Yes. The drawings, the computer generated drawings.
Short care substantially larger than the actual zebra shows a pair of 34 by 26.
Is there any current coverage implications resulting from that? Mr. Blank did a calculation of where they're basically at their maps. If they decided to do anything else on this property, they will be over on coverage right now the raster maps.
So they're right at the 45%.
Other questions for Mr.
I named Miss guerra to unshare the screen.
I would just like to add something.
Yeah, Yes, go ahead.
Um, just just as an add on, obviously, like this isn't ideal. It wasn't something that I would have loved to have onto the board. have is they have known better. I would definitely, you know have done it differently. Obviously, you can't go back in time. But safety is a priority. And if, let's say if this were approved, no, I would love to go through the channels and make sure all of this is safe. And everything. Like you said, triple whatever needs to be done. I will definitely make sure it's handled correctly and submitted so that anything that needs to be submitted so Like I said, it's already there. And I know that it's not something that was possible was supposed to be there without approval. But I would hope that, you know, we can consider it being
there's no lighting, there's a fan.
So that's what I would have hoped. Like, I know that there needs to be an electrical engineer
to approve that.
Any other questions for the applicant for
any questions? Really?
Yes, mascara is. So you mentioned that you've constructed to construct
to in this spot that's in view to other locations not being able to
overhead ceiling or the roof is there
is there a property is placed in
our patio existing on the on the property that would be more ideal for this type of project.
As I can see right now, so I do have like a patio in the back area, or,
as you can see here in the
survey, like I said, what I was envisioning for my property, I wanted a recreational space, I could have, like I said, that canopy area, and it just isn't ideal in this back area. Since there's like that cellar entry. There's a lot of windows in that, that I didn't want to block. And there's also like, I know, there's a main entrance in the front. But there's that garage entrance where most like where where I enter in on a daily basis. And for recreational space, I wanted to be on touch so not worth would be passing through it like traffic would be passing through there.
He could correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that because this is a corner lot. And as I see the survey in place, she's going to rear
of the house with a patio is actually a side yard. And that's to put this kind of structure on that quick game of patio is signed on.
Because it wouldn't be permitted to sign around the yard.
And the side opposite the shorter street frontage is the rear yard. And the site offers longer fruit flies on a corner lot is a sidebar.
Mr Rubin is correct that you will be in the rear of the house is actually a side yard because it's a corner lot, right. But that's why I said that. coordinates are difficult. But if you happen to have a mentor Originally, we probably would have had to send them to the zoning board anyway, wherever they wanted to put the disease.
Any other questions for the applicant?
All right, that was me.
Yeah, you're here.
Hey, Darryl out there.
I don't see any hands up
for public hearing will be closed as soon as I give the applicant the opportunity to summarize. You have anything further?
I didn't hear that for me. Yes.
If you wish to summarize, you're not required to summarize.
Obviously, this is something that's already been structured. It's not a final stage that having the opportunity from before now that I've come forward. I would love to have your approval and for all of your variances
to be able to complete everything the way that it's supposed to be paperwork and everything.
Like I said, I noticed a lot of space. This emoji so I'm already at capacity. I do not tend to be over capacity for like I said, Going forward with this. I'll handle anything that needs to be handed in. And of course, I want to do this the right way and safely.
Thank you. Time for public hearing is closed.
Okay, so in hearing this application, and then reading the report, provided by Mr. Ricci, I think that we will either pay for this application, it's I haven't heard any testimony to explain why it really should be in the public interest to approve it, you know, to justify these variances. It's too tall, it's too big. And it's I do understand that she's on a corner, young
corner lot. But I don't think that there's been a full expression of trying to figure out some kind of a smaller structure and kind of compromise. So at this point, I'm not persuaded.
Thank you. Yeah,
I would have to agree with my colleague, Mr. Brown. I just don't know if there's enough testimony here to convince me that there is good reason for, you know, this amount. The way this has been laid out, and the advice has been
provided by engineering data, especially in favor. Thank you. Sorry, was the gentleman No, I am in agreement with my colleagues as well. And Mr. Wagner has brought up precisely as I was going to say, as well. Thank you. Anyone else?
I have to concur with my colleagues that we haven't heard the arguments that present a hardship that weren't. Initially, it seems to me that it's certainly quite a large structure. And as we pray testimony is clearly visible from Franklin Street and loaded Street, in a front yard, where such structures are not allowed.
And I also harken back to the concept is, we should think of this as not existing and not existing, so that it will be possibly
rent approval for the variance of years of service for five years, and
I asked myself that question, but the answer myself is no. So I asked my colleagues and say my favorite no one else.
Chairman, I'll make a motion.
Okay. That was
a motion to deny application.
Is there a second?
please call the board. Hey, Miss Brown.
Yes. To the motion to deny this application. Good job.
Mr. Prince? Yes.
Mr. Wagner? Yes. Mr. Palmer? Yes. Mr. Stivers? Yes. Chairman michalsky.
Yes, application is denied. Thank you. Moving on back to.
Yeah, that is 76 Willow. And I just want to let you know, I did double check the advertising. They they were originally on January 28. And they were present for that meeting. And knowingly, We're adjourned to tonight. So I can only assume something happened. Maybe they forgot. But they are not on. So I guess we can adjourn them till April. It's up to the chairman and I
can notify them tomorrow. All right, we'll return them to the full board. March is quite busy.
So put them through April without requirements for further notice. And there's no member of the public here. So it really doesn't matter, but this announcement constitutes a legal notice. Further publications are required. May I have for a motion to adjourn 76 Wireless fee for the regular meeting our
Chairman, Mr. Weiner,
and I'll second Mr. Chairman. Red seconds. voice vote board. All
in favor, please say aye. Aye.
Aye. Anyone opposed? As opposed to employees? Are
there any other business tonight?
I have none.
In that case, man, have a motion to adjourn.
I'll make that motion. Mr. Chairman.
A second. Have a second.
seconds. All in favor? Aye. Anyone opposed? Or no one opposed? We are adjourned. Thank
you board. Have
a good evening. Yeah,
you guys. Good job tonight. Got rid of some stuff. Thank you.