and so it's now recognizing that there's always there can be two things. There's the experience we're having, and there's a way that we relate to it. And the way we relate to it might be not free might be free of any entanglement. We can engage in it, we can think about it, we can For things without being entangled, but we also can be attached and Tangled, there can be attachment and, and it can be very, very subtle. If you just simply simply start the meditation, simply start thinking about something that's happening, you've left the flow the present moment, and you're now become, you know, you've kind of got a gun, maybe maybe the word like nod or entanglement seems too big. But we've gotten it's gotten sticky, we got leaning into it, and we're kind of lost something. In the process of thinking about it, we lost our mindfulness in our present moment experience. So, so the Buddha says that talks about how this exercise, when one is aware, that there's seeing, when aware, when is aware of what is being seen, and then aware of what that relationship is, the entanglement in particular, how we're caught by it, or reactive to it. And, and then, and so we know when it's present, the fetter, they not, we know what it's like when it's not there. And this distinction between recognizing the presence of something and the absence something of something is very important. In mindfulness meditation, we often emphasize being recognizing what's happening in the present, which kind of always gives a subject Something is happening that we're aware of. But in fact, sometimes it's important to be mindful of absence, not all the time. But when we've been attached to something, it's valuable to take some time to experience what it's like to be unattached. The freedom that comes. So to be knotted up, the know the experience of being unknotted, the ease that we breathe more easily, there's more sense of openness, spaciousness, lightness, all kinds of whatever way it might be experienced. So that it registers and we kind of begin to those channels to that kind of unentangled, mint starts becoming more available to us, because we let it register more deeply. And so the Buddha talked about noticing the presence of this, these knots, the absence of them, no, and then being present enough in the moment that we can see that not that hasn't arisen yet, does arise, we notice the arising of it, oh, here, I get knotted up. And that takes a sharp mindfulness to really be here and say, Oh, I can watch the process. We don't wait until we find ourselves knotted up, we watch the process. And this is what benefit can come when the mindfulness gets established well enough, in the present moment, that there's a kind of a sense of flow, in the present a sense of rising and passing, appearing and disappearing. The river of experience that's happening here now, that as we stay present for that, we notice when we leave the flow, when we get involved in something, and we can watch the beginning of that, because it's part of the flow originally. And then any talks also about then, knowing that the knot has been abandoned, let go of, he doesn't say to let go of it. But I think maybe it's implied, but they were aware of it and letting go of it as well. That it's gone, we've let go of it, it's not there, so that we can benefit from experiencing the absence of it. So there is some. So I like to say that, if it's easy to let go of something like a knot, let go of the knot. We're not necessarily letting go and things in the world, we're letting go of that entanglement that's between us and the thing. And then take time to be aware of what that absence of entanglement is like. If we do this regularly and strongly