Okay, am I dismissed Yes. Okay, thank you recording in progress. Crazy and it's not mo Adam Good afternoon welcome to the Wayne County Board of canvassers. Today is Tuesday, November 22.
Two building on Jefferson, Detroit, Michigan. The time is four O T,
roll call,
champions. Vice Chair Boyd
here and providing here.
Chair. Thank you. Third item is definitely exempted, but considering that we can move items four and five to our next speaker
so
justments our agenda here.
Motion to approve.
The budget changes second, second, second. motion has been made and seconded. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. All right. So that moves us to item number six, which is our certification for November 8 20.2. General Election. staff report
yes care of our county elections will be certified a certified the remainder of the races that you have the last two meetings. At this time, I'd like to recognize the hard work and the dedication of all the canvass assistants, Jennifer Redman of the board members as well. Everybody put in yeoman's work to really bear down 14 days is a tight window, but everybody is dedicated and determined. And I just like to recognize everybody and I'd also like to commend the local clerk's and the county anytime.
We reached out on behalf of the board,
meeting any documents or any anything out there and all the local clerks were immediate and took it very seriously. Anytime showing up the same day that we called them, the documents that were to canvassers wired up and I'd like to thank
the county as well.
We had a total of 1006 67 precincts
in this election, which includes Detroit's absentee counting boards however the board is responsible for canvassing the absentee portion of the Alpine precincts as well, which increases the number to canvass to 1535 precincts and I'd venture to say it's probably a little bit higher than that too because we have quite a few split precincts within the academy as well. So I know our our canvas assistants are really love those splits. But in total, there are 918 election, eight precincts and 617 absentee precincts, and that 617 includes the 149 Detroit absentee government as well. This election there was 651,513 ballots cast out of a registered voter count of 1259 for a turnout of 45.4 presets that I mentioned we campus 1500 gigabyte precincts it's always an effort to decipher and try to balance the sinks, looking at remarks asking for locals to help applications ring down containers to see if we can get the bounce as well. So this election was just like just like the other one. So before I roll like I will want to point out though that city Detroit and fortunate issue and I don't think any of any fault of their own electronic poll book in the precincts wasn't acting correctly as far as bringing in voters as they
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so as I mentioned, there was an issue with the electronic poll book when voters were showing up in the morning, wanting to register to vote get their ballot. It was not allowing them. In certain instances, it was saying that the ballot number had already been used, and it's something that director braider and went into extensive detail on the subject I just wanted to point out though, because that issue, in turn caused a lot of stress, not only on the inspectors at the precinct, but also on the voters as well. And that in turn, had a domino effect on on some of the things that we we initially saw at cannabis regarding the books. But regardless of the situation, the city of Detroit, I like to commend them, they they had all hands on deck to assist the board in trying to put together as much of the lists using the applications and and the electronic poll book. And we were I think we're pretty successful in that. Again, our canvas assistance, were a big part of that. I'd also like to point out specifically member Riley, she she started with the Detroit absentee side and then migrated over to
she migrated over to the precinct side once the absentee side was was brought down as best as we could and really helped really helped in that endeavor to to balance as much as possible the precincts I just wanted to to point out chair Riley or member Riley, Chair fruits come in all all of the members like member Riley was specifically back there with with Eden just like to put out good good thoughts. Sandy was our our one of our point people dealing with the city of Detroit. She was able to come to this campus. So Edith and remember Riley and Jennifer, really were a dynamic duo, working with the great people from the city of Detroit elections on the absentee side and on the election side and their leadership and really a full court press. It was really something to see and I think when we look at the results, it was well worth that the hard work and effort that everybody put in. So to continue my report the plus miners report, our county election day precincts 99% were balanced to zero or plus minus explained. Detroit Election Day precincts 92% balanced to zero or plus minus explained our county absentee precincts 99% balanced to zero or plus minus explain. And then the city of Detroit absentee counting board precincts 100% balanced to zero or explained just to look go over the numbers. So our county there were Election Day 384 precincts bounced to zero 64 precincts plus minus one explained 11 precincts plus minus two explained five precincts plus minus three explained and then three precincts that were plus minus five or more explained. And there was one out county precinct that was not we weren't able to get a clear explanation of why it was out of balance. On the Detroit side. 267 precincts were Election Day precincts were balanced to zero 82 precincts were balanced plus minus one explained 37 precincts are balanced plus minus two explain 20 precincts were balanced plus minus three explain. Three precincts were bounced to plus minus four explained and the three precincts were a balanced a plus minus five or more explain. The City of Detroit had 2020 Election Day precincts that were plus minus one unexplained 15 that were plus minus two unexplained one that was plus minus three unexplained and two that were plus minus four unexplained. Again, a lot a lot of these just to refresh everybody plus minus. When you get long lines when you get long ballots. People you know sometimes foil their ballot either by an over vote or a straight mark. And then they're they're required to either cast the ballot as is or getting another bout to spoil. In that process. Sometimes they decide, you know, it's lunchtime. I gotta get back to work or it's the morning. We had quite a few remarks that were speaking of voters just walked you know leaving a long line throughout the county. It was a it was a pretty pretty big turnout for materials. So we did have quite a few of those. A lot of a lot of instances where a person spoils their ballot, the inspector will ask them you know where you want to do you want to have a ballot, and we saw quite a few where they just decided, You know what? I don't I don't want another ballot and just left. In that instance, that precinct will always be minus a ballot because that person's names and the whole book. There's one other ballot they chose not to to get another valid and revoked. So that's, that's an example of what we talked about as explained. Also, when when school districts are on the ballot, there are instances where at office, they make issues around ballot style, or issue the wrong precinct. And so in those instances, you'll see something like plus three precincts that are plus one and then three precincts that are minus one, which means that three people in this, this, these particular precincts, were seeing another precinct ballot, and that's why, you know, they're on the list. Their names are on the list here, but their ballots went through the different precinct tabulator over there. So those are some examples of plus minus on the absentee side. Out out County. 380 precincts were balanced to zero 66 precincts were balanced to plus or minus one explain. One or nine precincts rebalanced to plus minus two explain. Three precincts were bounced to plus minus three explain. Two were bounced to plus minus four explain. And two were bounced to plus minus five or more explained now county there were three precincts that were plus or minus one unexplained three that were plus or minus two unexplained for to say Detroit, of their 149 absentee counting boards. They had 141 of those bounds to 05 plus minus one explain two plus minus two explain that one, plus or minus three explain some of those efforts. There are there are a few examples. One was the city of Belleville in another township of Brazil so city of Belleville their remarks that indicated that seven ballots were not tabulated on election night. So we call down the clerk and Republican and Democratic inspector to come down. Verify the seal here in the poll bookmatched open the container and count the ballots.
They were they were
short
the ballots that were looking for, and I believe it was Jennifer that had them call the office to check the infamous right and then in the tabulator and lo and behold, there were the inspectors forgot to empty the right and then on election night. In that case, we're not able to tabulate the precinct due to those ballots, not being under seal there's no chain of custody per se. They were not sealed in a pro approved container that was approved by the Wayne County Board of canvassers. So in that case, unfortunately, we weren't able to, even though the amount that they found, matched would have matched the seven that mean that you know, in total, that were not tabulated, but and another unfortunate thing is that because of that that precinct would not be recoverable either. If there was a recount that involved that precinct, so same thing occurred in gross zeal. They had a precinct that had four more ballots, tabulated, I believe it was
due to a jammer
and same thing occurred counted the ballots they were they were they were they were suddenly minus two from from the number of names in the poll block and they call the office and two ballots are scoring in the right indent as well. So those are just some examples of instances where we we've tried to balance it. There are quite a few instances where we did did count the ballots. They did match the number of on tape in that instance, you don't have the authority to tabulate those ballots. You know, the election nightstands but at least you verify that if there was a recount, the number of ballots would match. That's the tape same instance, we had a few instances where applications were counted, and they matched the number of outs tabulated. Even though it seemed like there was a few more names, part of that city of Detroit was just the migrating of long lines. When this cascade of stress happens. Voters sometimes don't understand that at a poll where there's multiple precincts picking this the shortest line, you know, you may be getting a different you know precinct ballot and you're giving the canvas for some headaches up post post election. So the retail related precincts that we we did read tabulate. City of ecourse Election Day, precinct two and three. Detroit Election Day precincts 6975 7084 To 21 to 6125 316 483-496-1051 2284 115 74 247-220-5151 2781 37 133 195 144 128 3083 87 468-390-7396 to 63 to 44 to six to 63 enterprise 475 and 339. Sumpter Township, AB precinct, one and two are also re tabulated. ecourse AB precinct one and two rows Point Park at precinct one. I put Harper words at five here because the board chose to tabulate those four or those three ballots that had not been tabulated on election night, Dearborn AB precinct 43. Detroit a the precinct AB counting board precincts 2615 141 1340 459 and 14 and then Livonia AB, precinct 33 A. Also like to point out that at the beginning of Canvas, there were a total of 463 precincts right off the bat, that were just, you know, not balanced. You know, we that's without looking at any remarks or anything more 63 Right. Off the bat, and we're able to get it down to 45 where we could find a plausible reason why it would be out of balance. That is the remainder of my support Chair. Members have any questions?
Happy to yes member.
tissues that we were having
in Detroit. Early on election day, many Detroit precincts began receiving care codes related to the ballot assignment of the voter within the electronic poll books. As the error messages popped up, many of the election worker workers scrambled to figure out a solution some real paper lists and use the paper full book to walk people in others on bureau of elections. Others develop their mind we can't use our family to this family, aren't you I was invited to be part of this session. I was. Okay, so that was a note from the whole book revealed that the workers were stressed as they tried to deal with the electronic poll book errors, and also work the polls which were particularly busy this year. Workers were under a lot of pressure doing all they could to keep records as best as possible. While either waiting for a technician or receiving instruction from the troubleshooting team, as we continued in our canvass of Detroit, yes, I was intimately aware of what was going on with with Detroit. It quickly became evident that the full book error that we were running into is not sporadic. Here are their but systematic in nature. Of the 450 precincts in Detroit, about 90% were affected. That's approximately 400 inside precincts. To put this in perspective, Oakland County, the second largest county in the state has just above 500 precincts. When we came across when we come across a clerical error in the canvas, you work with a local firm to find the source of the error. Then we work with the clerk to identify a means of correcting that error for future elections. There will always be places to improve and the Canvas helps identify these places. However, when we contacted the state who was responsible for the electronic codebook programming, it was I was met with an obfuscation. They could not tell us why these errors occurred. I would also not take responsibility for them. The state is in charge of programming the programming of the electronic poll books, and an error this large in size must be addressed. We have worked very hard over the last two weeks to reconcile as much as possible in Detroit's precincts. However, that was not easy. These this unnecessary and irresponsible error created much chaos for us. On the canvas as well as on hundreds of election workers. When the question came to Director braider of the Bureau of elections during a phone call last week, when we when we could expect to know the source of the problems director great greater that stated well, we'll we'll know when we know. This is unacceptable. These are the questions that must be answered. What went wrong and why? What kind of testing requirements are there? If no testing is currently in place, what measures and testing needs to be set in place and how can it be ensured that this never happens? The public that we serve deserves answers. The canvassers who have worked tirelessly to reconcile full books deserve answers. And finally the election workers who were overwhelmed yet doing the best job they could to deal with the IRS deserve answers. Let's take
questions or consult the staff report that was just given to us.
I don't have any questions I just wanted to say thanks to Greg and everything Jennifer. worked really hard to get the canvas done. Certainly did the selection certified. And I think the work that you're doing is really incredible. And everyone should know how hard you guys work. I want to thank my colleagues as well for working so hard to ensure this system and IT professional in Denver, so I just want to say thank you and that your efforts are appreciated and they do not go unnoticed.
We do have an exceptional group of people here. Those of you that are just visiting us this one time maybe not being able to see how much work goes into this. But again, Jennifer and Greg worked tirelessly and they should definitely recognize they made us as a cannabis. We have a wonderful staff wonderful Corporation cost we have nothing but great help to get from our way customs office. has been fantastic work with that's mentioned our sheriff's our sheriff's have been here every single day. Making sure that we are protecting the voting process. The cam signal was done right here felt safe. So the sheriff's office came here every single day and people that are outside right now it's we're inside. We're actually burning up here. It's a little warm in here but people outside, mourn the weather. Make sure that if one of the statements are well together make sure you're able to bounce the numbers as best we could to campus. This was an exceptional, exceptional job by Ofsted. But ultimately the citizens are the ones to decide the elections not canvassing. Just make sure the numbers are right the citizens that ultimately decide we want to make sure that we protect that system that process. sacristan process is respected as a canvassing board member of Memphis, Tennessee where we all swear an oath of office and we take that oath very seriously. It's a very huge honor to be part of its we did not take that must want to make sure we thank Sheriff Washington of course we have my predecessor here Commissioner Ken lac here as well. Good to see you sir. Thank you for joining us. I don't know any other dignitaries with raise your hand CP acknowledged if there's any other elected officials. The other people that recognize Well, everybody, here's what I'm thinking of being here. We will get into public comment. We do have some very important business that we have to take care of first, which is the certification of our number of reputation 20 General and if there is no other comments, I would like to take some sort of motion has been made and I can second motions been made and seconded. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Motion passes unanimously. Thank you all right, awesome. Awesome. Awesome. Thank you. And so that would be I think, great news for the people outside. Hear you hear all the people that are raising their voices to be heard. So we will get to public comment, but just please be. We have moved to item number seven on our agenda. Which preparation if you want to do this?
Absolutely. Mr. Davis, sent you off an email indicating that there was previous litigation, that litigation has been dismissed by Judge Lillard report that is no longer pending. It isn't. There's not been a state issued so that matters included. Mr. Davis did file a new lawsuit this morning, which we will hear motions on next Wednesday. So as far as the board is concerned, there's nothing no actions for you to take the words spoken. The candidates in question are on the ballot they are to remain on the ballot. official results are mainly official results.
Thank you.
Is there any other staff reports
we can get to new business right now. New business staff reports.
County elections I just want to recount petitions one for the city of Highland Park where the city council at large rates by by this extra main rabbit we also have a competition pile or by Philip Wagner, who is city of Ward six. That was not this morning. So we will have to reschedule for you to consider those petitions, of course have to notify candidates who are in the race. Let them know that every competition has been filed. They have the opportunity of course to present objections to that petition request will be here today consider those
times just to be considered. There is difficulty with
the timeline because candidates or objections
we have
prior counsel would say that they're set outside of that. Just seven days. They will see the petition. Before though, that the board considers petitions for any objections if objections are filed, prior to you actually started the recount there are things in awhile where people have to stop and get started until those
state, state and federal candidates they can file a petition to state those strategic goals. We count Sacramento first before we can do with the goal. After certify here today, of course, results to the state of Europe election. State Board of canvassers will have to certify the election state and they typically let us know it's two days after the state surprise anyone that wants to request that we count on that petition for 14 hours and they let us know petition that without that would affect
I would say beginning next week
for consideration
for the competitions.
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we will receive all those comments and we will process so if there's no other business that will start our number item number nine, which is public comments, and I know this is our favorite part of our meetings. We have
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What's up stressor? So I think we're very excited.
In our country where there's distrust on multiple fronts. There's
in 2020
there was surprised some in 2006 Two I
think what that
indicates to me, is that we need to do to build trust, and to build transparency, and to make sure that our elections
are really counting for us. And I just want to thank you
for your service in a non partisan way. It's really about strengthening our trust and that's just
like any other siblings
I was a teacher was my teacher voice for folks on Zoom? Hi, I'm Rob Harris. I'm a Detroit voter. And I think maybe more importantly, I'm also a poll worker who was at one of the precincts that had just flipped, so first, I want to thank you for acknowledging that that was a problem. Luckily, when it happened to me already solution was able to implement it voters didn't even know. So I also kind of thanks publicly to the folks that made that happen and deliver that message to me. And then also just want to thank you for certifying the election. We all want transparent and honest elections and thank you for your role in making sure that happened. I kind of just doing your due date and again to repeat not falling into any person tricks because we're all on the same side of just wanting to democracy and wanting the doors to decide. So thank you
if there's anybody that likes it,
please raise your hand. So number of people make public
they certified before they even allowed the people to talk
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we're gonna go so you have your hand up please make a cup of public comment. You have two minutes.
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Okay, I was the Challenger for three days. Yep. Dr. Simon. Please continue. Phil. Can you hear me now? Yes. Okay, good. So I was a challenger on the sixth seventh and eighth of November, inside the Huntington place county board. I wanted to call attention to the fact that there were 1000s of ballots that did not show up in the poll book. And Chris Thomas had abolished the supplemental lists. So there was no way of determining if those individuals were just late or same day registrants. So, as a result, we wanted to challenge those ballots. And then he also made a unilateral decision, basically changed his own rules which he had sent in an email three days before stating how the challenge process works. And instead of having steps one, two and three, he omitted step two, which is very important. And I'm concerned that there should have been an investigation of this because if you admit step two, in the challenge process, the canvassers cannot take those ballots, cannot retrieve those ballots and look into them any further. They cannot withdraw. They can't pull them back out if they are not eligible. So this was a violation of the rules, including the Secretary of State's rules. So I think that should be noted and I have brought it up to the to the attention of one of the canvassers and I think that it's there should be a delay in order to investigate this further. And there's other there are other anomalies that I don't have time to explain because I've only got two minutes to talk. But these are out there. We've discussed them and I think it should be brought to the attention of the public, because there could be a close race. There could be a Detroit race that's closed that somebody wants to recount. They need to know that there were anomalies, at least in the accounting board where I was, and we had quite a number of Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much.
Hello, may I speak, everybody will get a chance to make a public comment. We're gonna go in order. We're gonna do this orderly so we're gonna go to our next public person. That's going to make public comment. Michelle? Alright. Michelle, if you want to unmute yourself, okay.
Can you hear me? Monday November 14, sorry, I'm in a vehicle with other people that are on so thank you. On Monday, November 14, Secretary of State Benson issued guidance statewide to city and county clerk's to not provide precinct tabulator tapes in response to FOIA requests. Freedom information, Act requests, until after certification or just leave the meeting. This was a conflict of interest and obstruction of transparent flow of information, which is the public's right for an election in which she wasn't candidate because of this election must not be certified to allow time for the FOIA request to be fulfilled. I have I actually have an accounting and IT audit background. I've spent decades now performing hundreds of audits. This is not okay. Well, the first like the first thing we need in any audit or just to feel good about any kind of process is a feeling that the person is being transparent and providing the information immediately. No one would have a good feeling about a process where someone is a key person in the in the election and they're not even allowing people to view about the evidence. So this is just we have an issue with this. I have an issue with this. I have small nephews I have to live in the state for who knows how long. So thank you.
Thank you for showing our next person is Terry. Oh, that's all it shows up. It's just Terry. Unmute yourself. Yeah. Can
you hear me? Yeah. tabulator machines, as configured were not certified under the voluntary voting system guidelines 2.0 By voting systems test laboratory as required by the US Election Assistance Commission, because of that, a full forensic audit and investigation need to be conducted before the certification and that's very important. So that everyone knows that the vote was correct. We've got people that have been out on the streets, going door to door finding out that some of these people don't even live in the house that has been vacant or that there isn't even no address there. This complicates the trust that we have in the election process. Please do not certify this. Thank you.
Next person is James Spaulding. Unmute yourself James.
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try to figure out how to unmute himself. He's like wildly gesturing and the camera. James. We don't We can't hear you.
You need to unmute yourself.
He's saying that he cannot unmute himself. If someone is in charge of the Zoom could unmute people when they're ready to speak. That's probably ideal. I got it.
I got it. I don't I would not allow me to but now it's now it's fixed. Thank you for doing that. Um, so as someone who volunteered and tried to help out with as help out poll workers in Wayne County, I'm really happy that the election was certified. And I thank you all for doing that. And I'm very happy that that we've taken the appropriate steps to protect democracy today. Based on a lot of the comments and I believe a lot of the comments that you're going to be getting, I believe a lot of people have gotten their election information from Facebook as opposed to from appropriate sources. And I think that this council should probably be looking into applying resources to properly educate the American people here in our state on the election process and how it functions so that way we can have less of this chaos and mayhem and people trying to pretend like they're lawyers. I would really, I I think that would be a good step in approving this process and and benefiting all of us. So please consider that for the future. And thanks again for doing your duty and certifying the vote. Thank you.
Thanks, James. Thanks for your comment. Next person is Trish Oliver for shelf.
Hello, can you hear me we can? Yes. Thank you. My name is Tricia Oliver. I, first of all, before I begin my two minutes, I want to say I arrived at 315 to attend the canvassers meeting. I was told by Sheriff Sheriff lav L O V E at the door that I would be let in at four o'clock. At four o'clock I was told by Sheriff love L O V, that it was false. So it did not feel inclusive or transparent. And I would ask Wayne County Board of canvassers to be inclusive so that we can attend in person and not be subjected to calling in from zoom from our car. I do want to make the statement that at 7:30am on November 9, the Michigan Secretary of State election results website showed tutor Dixon ahead by 129,130 votes, five votes with 75 out of 83 precincts excuse me, counties are 90% of counties reporting. CNN showed 22% of precincts reporting for governor's race at the same time that they were reporting only 4% of the Attorney General race. These are anomalies and incongruencies since all precincts report all of the races at the same time. The reporting of contradictory percentages indicates election fraud, and a forensic audit and investigation needs to be conducted before subverted certification. Likewise, in 2020, Detroit was the epicenter for voter fraud and nothing has changed to mitigate that fact. And we need to have a audit, a full forensic audit and independent investigation needs to be conducted before certification. Likewise, Benson has in five separate court rulings, then determined to be guilty. And because
of those your two minutes is is
a thank you. Thank you, thank you.
Our next person is Mark Ashley price.
After Mr. Price. Action Absolutely
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I just want to thank that. Wayne County Board campuses for doing that job. My name is Marta fries. I'm a school board member upon that cry. I was dishes. We probably can now money please forgive me for that back. I'm sad outside. But um, I do I do. I was still last week. But soft location for the home park. All action. Thank you for stopping by the home apart from a last chance.
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you know, you know that challenge is always waiting time is always in my prayers. And I'm not I'm not wanting to you know, shout and scream and you know, anybody that knows me knows I'm a peaceful person. So, you know, topless, you know, all the like complex. Wayne County. Thank you so much. Thank you.
We do have somebody from a member of the public that's going to come into the room and make a public comment. Get back to assume but there's somebody that been waiting outside please. Good evening, everyone.
My name is RTC.
And I think everyone will be able to speak today. Call three buses and walk them out to get you through election. Now, Michigan voter legislation allows for voters registration until AP one election day in our city clerk register 1000s of voters at the APO on election night under guidance provided by Michigan Secretary of State Madison's office. I want to I want to say something I've watched the news. So the Democrats, Republicans, independents, everybody watched the news. And those lines were still lined up after AP after 9pm after 10pm. We all know that if you are at the gas station, the store the grocery store by the play that Michigan State Lottery machine cuts off at a certain time. It's the law. It doesn't matter in the SHL 50 people standing in line to play the lottery lottery cut off that was seen cut off and that should have been the same thing to happen on election night no matter who gets those people knew well before November to ace that November the eighth was approached. So for all those people that stood in line I was able to vote on acid you got an x we have the power and authority to put out subpoenas. So subpoenaed authorities from bokksu news. I'll be I'll get your opinions out. subpoena all that footage from Fox News. We'll call the elections. They are not you guys. I respect you guys sitting at this table. I don't respect the news that color election will be for all these folks are counting. We had a group outside that's against me. They didn't count every vote but guess what, I agree. They did not do that. They feel this. So I'm asking you guys, just like the accent 2020. And just like the lady who stole all my petitions, Juniper ran and the deputy clerk from the Wayne County Department of Elections stole 10 seats, which is equivalent to 100 senators, and I'm not knocking doors harm me and my manager in the freezing cold.
So 10 seats, and I talked about it
but it wasn't even make holes on this thing. I didn't I started don't certify you. Nobody's thrown into your lives and even if they are so you call them God don't certify this election. Thank
you. Any questions? Okay, thank you.
Our next person is
Reverend. Dr.
Good afternoon. I'm Reverend Wendy Vaughn quarter I'm an ordained Unitarian Universalist clergy person also a farmer here in Buckley, Michigan, and was a volunteer for the nonpartisan group the election defenders on the day of the election in Wayne County. But perhaps most importantly, a voter here in Michigan and a voter that appreciates that the law is as long as I'm in a line knowing that some of the lines are made much longer for some communities than others. I appreciate knowing that the law is if I'm in the line, I will be able to in fact vote. But I'm here today in support of all the hard working local Clerks and Election workers, all of you dedicated to making sure that all of our votes are heard and certified, having been here not too many years ago. Under different circumstances. I am so grateful that this certification process move forward smoothly and appropriately, ensuring that my vote and all of the votes are counted. This moment offers us an opportunity to reinforce our collective belief that we are better together better when each of our votes count, when are elected and appointed officials hold our voices and votes as sacredly as they are offered, when we work together toward a better tomorrow for all of us individually and as a collective. And so dear canvassers, thank you for your service. Thank you for protecting our votes and thank you for doing your job and certifying those votes today. Thank you.
Thank you. Next
is Percy Johnson. vs. Johnson. Please unmute yourself
okay. You got me? Yes, we hear you.
All right.
Well, I want to I want to thank you for doing your job and certifying the vote the will of the people and by no means should we have cut the last stop to people that are in line after eight o'clock. They were there to vote to make sure that they got a chance to vote. So let's encourage each other to continue to we need to pick up our voter turnout. So I just thank you for doing for voting the will of the people who are certified to vote. Thank you very much.
Good job. Thank you, Mr.
Johnson. We have an I apologize in advance. I don't know how to pronounce your name correctly.
Yes,
I want to say thank you for certifying the boat. I was doing election protection and any issue that border had they knew the right as to what number to call, and I use want to tell everyone that as long as you're in line by APM it it's the law that we shall be allowed to vote. That that's all I just wanted to say. From my point of view being an election protection worker, everything went fine. And I seen nothing. Not not issues, people that machines weren't working they were doing an amazing job. So great job to those election workers that were doing their job, and we're keeping those lines going. Thank you.
Next person is Laurie. Hi,
can you guys hear me?
Yes,
yeah. Um, I also agree that it's a much firmer line to have a time you have to be much firmer roll to have a time when you need to be in line. And if you're in line at that time, then you get to vote. That is a really great law that we should not change. But I wanted to say I acted as a Democratic Party pole challenger at the Detroit absent vote counting board at Huntington place and I was assigned to watch the tabulators throughout the day. And I just wanted to say I observed a very smoothly run tabulation. of ballots. At no time. Did I see anything weird or unusual happening at the tabulation tables, let alone anything fraudulent. And I was very impressed with the organization and professionalism of the entire operation. Bravo to the staff at the Detroit clerk's office and to all the election inspectors working that day. And bravo to you. Thank you for certifying the election. Thanks.
Our next
caller is Patrick COVID. Please unmute yourself. You have two minutes.
How many of you realize that the certification vote by the board of canvassers today is based upon election results, data that was provided by tabulation machines that were never tested? Did you know that there are 450 Dominion image cast precinct tabulators in use on election day in the city of Detroit? Did you know that during the primary only 14 image cast precinct tabulators were subject to public accuracy tests and for comments from Detroit election officials? Zero these were used in the field on election day. Did you know that there are 24 Dominion image cast central tabulators in use on Election Day at the AV county board. Once again per Detroit election officials only one image cast central tabulator was subjected to a public accuracy test. Did you know that the each of these image cast a central tabulator tabulates the vote for multiple precincts. And did you know that these AB county board tabulates do not print this precinct specific zero tapes or precinct specific vote tallies the tabulators used for in person voting do but not the tabulators you use at the AV county board. Precinct specific vote tally information is only available after the AV counting board translators transfer their data to the election management system server this server has never been subjected to a public accuracy test. Meanwhile, canvassers are expected to rely upon reports generated by these untested EMS servers. EMS server errors during vote aggregation were responsible for the 7060 vote flip and Antrim county during the 2020 general election. In this context, the dependence of canvassers upon EMS server for precinct level results should be concerning per MCL 168 807 citizens are supposed to be provided with precinct level election results for each race at the close of the precinct canvass precinct level results for AV county boards are only available once the AV county board tabulator data has been transferred to an EMS server. For anyone interested in manipulating the results of the election. This feature conveniently eliminates a very important link in the audit trail for the vote tally chain of custody. I urge that the only way we can be confident in this in these elections is to conduct a full forensic audit of the election.
Thank you for your comments. Mr. COVID. We have another person Okay, we're gonna go to we have some people outside we have one person okay.
All challenges
and they refuse me to do my quote challenging and
unreasonable. And
like I said today, everybody says I filed a police report. They want to investigate. I will sit in here walked into place in disturbance to the Attorney General's Office. So I think it's a case of course, guys. Keep the record right here for you guys. So the topics outside we're sitting at the top and you guys, they said that you guys are saying that you already
said the admitted decision already. We've already gone through
the certification. Obviously,
after we started anyway.
So you guys had your mind for people who've taken there must be fraud for your minds all the way up. You don't want us to
watch. So we came here. So basically, I'm just talking right now in your mind that all
right. Stop. You
have too much Republican.
Just reminder,
it's not public debates, public health, you can use that to
understand and that's you guys that people find Detroit until 8:45am AFib shut off. The line shuts off your calculator. Why is it you guys? Of course. I'm asking for
thank you for your comments. We will take those into consideration
and make sure you guys understand that
recommendation.
Thank you there's one more person please bring them in.
Good evening.
I'd like to start by thanking each and every one of
you
watching so much patience today is titled shattered. upset and citizens of the state of Michigan. assets as citizens and residents of cities please just want to assure you that we appreciate your certification and ask that you stay up to date cannot tell
you the steps.
We have to educate those who did this to exercise their rights as citizens of the United States to vote with their conscience is because I'd love to ensure that we continue just take that last step. That was
set. Thank you. Wow. All right,
we have online we have William cedras our next speaker. Please unmute yourself. We have two minutes Mr. Davis.
Good afternoon, everyone. My name is William Davis. I'm president of the Detroit chapter National Action Network. I would like to commend you for this outstanding job you have done. We have people going to a number of polls throughout Detroit and Highland Park, and we made sure everything looked at proper and in fact myself. I went to four different polls in Detroit and one polling out in Highland Park. You know, this is a well ran election, and I'm pleased everything went well. You cannot care so much. What does the election deniers and these other zealot crazy people want to say Keep up the good work.
Thank you. Mr. Davis. Our next person is Kathleen's iPhone. Please unmute yourself. Yes.
Hi, my name is Kathleen. And I just want to point out that we should launch a forensic audit. Can you hear me? Yes. Oh, okay. Great. Um, if we don't launch an independent forensic audit or an investigation prior to Christmas Eve proposal to will take effect effect effect effectively outlawing any audits not conducted by the Michigan's secretary of state. While this provision is certainly subject to a debate as to whether or not it complies with Article One, Section four of the United States Constitution, it should be an unnecessary distraction that could be mitigated to a significant extent with prompt action towards initiating an audit. So I'm asking that you do not certify this election before a forensic audit is done. Thank you for listening to me. Thank you.
Our next caller is Caitlin. Please unmute yourself. Hello,
I'm Caitlin homebridge. Kneeling. I'm with a group called We the People Michigan and I just wanted to make the comment in Detroit and I voted and I'm very happy that my vote was counted. Remember, in 2020, I was really angry and confused and a little bit scared that my vote was not going to be counted. So I really appreciate this. Thank you all
is Michael Seacrest. Two minutes, please nominate yourself.
All right. Thank you very much. Hi, my name is Michael Siegrist. I am the clerk in Canton Township. And I want to thank the Board of canvassers for not only certifying but also for the due diligence that you did. Over the last 14 days. I came down and I witnessed the work that you were putting in and I appreciate that. That's a lot more work than has been done by boards of canvassers in the past I am a little bit concerned I came into I signed on tonight because I had heard that we're going to be folks asking you for you not to certify and for 24 months, we have been indulging people who have had a very difficult time accepting losses and I'm grateful to every adult and the coaches in my life when I was growing up who taught me how to lose and how to lose with dignity and how to not blame the refs. I am very appreciative of the over 190 poll workers in Canton township Republicans Democrats, independents, I'm sorry, nonpartisan, there are minor party folks who ran our election and the 10s of or I'm sorry, the six to 7000 inspectors and poll workers in Wayne County who administer our election. So thank you very much. And I really hope those who signed on today to further election denialism and to ask you not to certify other people's valid votes. I really hope they do some soul searching over the next couple of years because this is getting old and it's getting tired, and I'm sick and tired of it. Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you. Next caller is Max.
Can you hear me? Thank you. I just want to I was a election inspector at the Huntington Detroit. Counting board. I affiliate with the Republican Party. I've heard a number of complaints or observations that were made that I wish to correct for the record number one that container seals These containers are sealed I checked five of them myself I even tested to make sure you know those metal things Detroit uses they're really hard to get in there and they have to be secured just right so we made sure every single one was secured and right. We made sure every single seal number match the ones in the poll book match the ones we follow through these checks and balances. There was another remark about the tabulator tape not being posted. I never knew this but you actually post the tabulator tape the trade board on the wall like so I physically posted the election results with tape. So I'm not sure where the individual was getting their information from but I actually physically posted the tabulator tapes on the wall. They could have gone over there and viewed them at their pleasure. Also a couple of things. I heard that I wish to correct election results by the Michigan secretary of state they don't report it on the website. Until basically all the counties reported. So Oakland County I believe that she was the last county to report two days later. That's because they had a couple precincts that didn't report. So if you want to look for unofficial results, Wayne County isn't the way or the Michigan site isn't the best way to check for election night results. So those are a couple of things. Everything I saw as a Republican affiliated election inspector was 100% It's probably the best election I've ever been a part of. I've been involved since 2012 running elections, including the absent tullian absentee county board in 2014. I really admire the professionalism of the people of Detroit, the staff, every one we worked with, it really was a team effort. It's amazing how far we've come since 2016. And I'm really proud of the team and I wish to thank you for certifying these results. It was a lot of hard work and I'm sure you put in a lot of hard work as well. So thank you so much for the work that you and everyone else put in to make sure these results are certified. Thank you.
Thank you, Max. Thank you. That's right.
If you want to make
I mean we're under public comment. We've gotten through both the people that are in person and on Zoom. So please if you have a follow up comment,
yeah. What i There are bounds to the canvas that I think are important that we understand. And I think that there's a lot of confusion about what our role is and what we're actually able to do. So the canvas is an accounting on paper of the returns from election night. From Election Day election night, right? We are balancing every precinct to the poll books list of voters against the ballots cast. That's what we're doing. That's what we're doing every day for 14 days straight. And then lots of reports that go with those but that's that is that is the effort that's been made here. And one of the main functions that the campus serves is to balance as many precincts as possible. And that action what that does is that gives anybody who any candidate or any anyone, any candidate I think that proposes as far as as far as someone who wants to have a recount, I then that that is made available to be balanced as much as we're balancing and we have balanced very well this time than that that makes that available. It makes a recount available to anybody that would like one that is that is in a nutshell what we're doing here and that is the that is it's a like I said an accounting on paper that that is what we do here. It is there and as I said like it is it is per the law. It is it is clerical and ministerial duty. And so and so I just want to bring a little bit a little bit of understanding to that. If you
remember rubbing up you said it very well clerical and ministerial and the word ministerial. I had to look it up and what it makes for a candidacy. I mean, we think of ministers as you know, the church, you know, and what ministers do in the church. So if you want to look at us as the ministers of the cannabis so we're we're ministers and then cannabis. So, but we, we we've done I think the team here has done such a great job, but I don't want to add anything else to what's already been said other than a great job. I can't be more proud of the work that was done here. As far as the education piece, we definitely do need to do a better job of maybe educating people on what the actual canvassing group does, because I think there is a misconception of what this board's authority and purpose is and we shall do a better job of explaining that. I think we probably need to do that, in cooperation with our folks office. But thank you for everybody's public comment today. You know, we appreciate it. We did have one more person that showed up. Okay. So she's already spoken. Yep, yep. Yep. We have so there's that will public and public comment will enter now. We're going to move to our next business which is our favorite business, which is adjournment? Take a motion to adjourn. All right. motion has been made. And seconded. We are adjourned and the time is 5/24. Thank you everybody for taking part of this.
