Board of Police Commissioners, Evening Community Meeting
10:30PM Apr 11, +0000
Speakers:
Commissioner Banks
Commissioner Bernard
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Good evening to you all. It is past 630 I apologize for my tardiness here. But we do want to begin this meeting of the Detroit board of police commissioners and so we are so grateful to be here and to be welcomed in this beautiful facility and this amazing community. And so we will begin our meetings as we always do with a word of invocation. And I'm going to ask that we kind of settle ourselves for this word of invocation that will be delivered to us by our chaplain.
Dearest father, eternal in heaven. We pray for the leaders of the board of police commissioners and the entire police department and Sweet Jesus name. We pray that the decision making process will be both dutiful and honorable. We pray that all the great leaders of our city of this of our great city all the leaders of our great city, will be involved in the entire decision making process. We ask Heavenly Father, that all things will be done decently in order and that you will get the glory God, the honor and the praise in Jesus magnificent, mighty and merciful name recording in progress. Let us off, amen. Amen.
Thank you so much. We will obviously see that we don't have yet a quorum of commissioners who are here. And so I'm going to ask that our Acting Secretary will provide for us the announcements and any incoming communications.
Good afternoon, Mr. Chair. Good afternoon. Currently, several announcements next vo PC meeting is April 18 2024 3pm. The location is 130 1/3 Street, also Detroit Public Safety headquarters. Our next community meeting would be hosted by the eighth precinct. And that location is forthcoming. The month monthly committee meeting scheduled for April 2024. Policy Committee meeting Tuesday April 16 at 5pm Citizen complaint committee meeting Tuesday, April 23 at 5pm. And again the policy committee meeting Tuesday April 30 at 5pm. All those can be viewed on Zoom and they take place at the Detroit Public Safety headquarters. Mr Chair you want me to go to
your incoming communications please. Okay.
Yeah, three incoming communication board received a ministry to leave without pay for officer brand new Jordan. We have the chief investigative report before 2024 And then weekly OCR report and then come in analysis this year.
All right, thank you for that. And we don't yet have a quorum. But is there anyone here who's welcoming us to the Ford resource and Engagement Center? If not, again, we just thank you for your hospitality and opening this space for us in this community. And again, it is our desire that once we can get in the meat of this agenda, that it indeed will be productive.
Good evening, everyone. My name is Sandra Turner handy. And in lieu of Justin, who was wandering around in the building somewhere he has a lot of activities going on in the building this evening. I would like to welcome you all to the ninth precinct and to the Ford resource Engagement Center, which is one of our public institutions in our community that is a welcoming space for residents and visitors. So thank you all for being here. Thank
you for having us. truly appreciate it. Well, we do have some items that we're able to handle that does not require a vote by the board. And so I'm going to turn it over to Commissioner banks, as I know that he has some certificates of appreciation that He desires to share with those very engaged members of our community.
All right, thank you very much, Mr. Chair and hello to all the audience. out there today. God
bless you. This is a certificate of appreciation. Crime intelligence analyst Amy Childers for improving public safety in the ninth precinct. And city of Detroit through the outstanding performance of duties that include identifying patterns, crime trends, from no and other facts, vital to assist investigation, and apprehend persons and vehicles involved. In illegal activity, Amy Childers?
All right, here's another certificate of appreciation grime intelligent analysts Thomas dinging art for improving public safety in the ninth precinct, and City of Detroit through the outstanding performance of duties that include identifying patterns crime trends, room, nose, and other facts vital to assist investigations and to apprehend persons and vehicles involved in illegal activity Thomas.
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Matthew Mark
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Mayo Wilson
Yolanda root maclary.
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Wonderful. Thank you. Sergeant Kimberly Wilson.
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he's online to share how she's working on a problem.
We'll make sure she receives it.
She's online. Yeah. On zoom. Yeah. So she was she goes speak or anything? No.
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neighborhood police officer Aaron Fraser ski
neighborhood police officer Odessa Mitchell.
neighborhood police officer Lester Johnson.
neighborhood police officer Kyra fair.
neighborhood police officer John Landau Wallen?
Right well neighborhood police officer Dallas Gardner
neighborhood police officer Brittany Burks.
I will read the list all right. And the last one we have here is neighborhood police officer. Aubrey Wade
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you ready to get promoted sides.
All right. So I will still have some time. How about all of our certificate recipients come so you can take a picture with Commissioner banks one group shot all of our recipients you all can come together about staying here. Commissioner banks right here. Did he make them enough room for all of the great award ease this evening?
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once again, congratulations.
We have a vote the forum. Burton just walked into our regular agenda didn't get back to Okay. All right. So it does appear that we do now have a quorum. And so we can go to our normal agenda, where we will begin with the introduction of commissioners by acting secretary brown
there person Presley here. VICE CHAIRPERSON Smith. Present. Mr. Bernard X word excused absence. Commissioner banks, President Mr. Bi X word excused absence, missing a burden. Present. Mr. Carter. Missing the more missing Hernandez exports excused absence. Mr. Gamma export an excused absence. Mr. Woods,
President.
All right. So again, we do indeed have a quorum. We'll now move on to the approval of the April 11 2024 agenda. Is there any objection to this agenda being approved? Hearing none, the agenda is approved. And now we'll move forward to the approval of the minutes from the April 4 2024. Meeting. Is there any objection to the approval of these minutes
corrections? Mr. Chairman? Yes, Commissioner Burton, last week, picks off the minutes and said that that there was not a second on a ceasefire plus surveillance resolution and I just want the correction to be made that it was seconded by Commissioner Linda Bernard out of district two,
as has been opined on numerous occasions by a parliamentarian you have to direct exactly where in the minutes you want the changes to be made. Do you have those edits? It
was the the minutes was sent by sent out by the secretary's office on the acting secretary's office by a staff member. It was some draft minutes but just for correction. On those minutes. And what the record reflect that it was properly seconded by Commissioner Linda Barnard out of district two.
Okay, so again, seeing that there are no specific edits to the minutes that have been pre printed. There is no objection to the approval of the minutes for April 4 2024. Next we'll move on to the introduction to be LPC staff, chief police, elected officials and representatives as well as community leaders by acting secretary Brown. You're good
afternoon Mr. Chair cola. We have Chief Investigator Jerome Warfield, Attorney Stephen LaBelle, HR director, Katrina Pattillo. Mr. Issa blossom, Miss Candace Hayes, this jasmine Taylor, Miss John Underwood, Miss Mary Barber, supervise investigators Ainsley Cromwell and we have Mr. Sanders Brian who's doing our video Sergeant Alan Quinn is doing an audio and Mr. Dunn Handyside is a court reporter. Those who are representative Mrs. Johnson office of Wayne County Commission and Jonathan Kent lock. Miss Murray overall office a state representative Terrell Carter, former Commissioner William Davis. Mr. Don Davis offers council member free to do all the third and I believe I see Mr. Scotty Bowman. CAC member that come in came in.
Right Thank you. We're so grateful for everyone's attendance and his our desire that we're add to the productivity of today's meeting, as saying that we are in the gray area of Commissioner banks. I will present our border police commissioner's office report for him if he wanted to make any general remarks and then after that we can continue with the resolutions that we have for our honorees. Oh, thank you Mr.
Chair. I just want to thank God for the ninth precinct.
Commander Decker and also weighed in all of those who who've been a blessing to me opened some doors for me over there at number nine and I'm very grateful for number nine, all those that participate at number nine. Thank you very much for all you've done for me. Thank you Mr. Chair. You're
so welcome. And so now we can move forward with the resolutions that you have for our honorees.
All right
here we go. We're rads. Originally from Virginia. Mr. George Preston moved to Detroit at the age of 12 years old and graduated from South Eastern High School. Following High School Mr. Preston attended Wayne County Community College and earned an Associate's degree. And whereas, Mr. Preston has spent his life in law enforcement, having served on the Detroit Police Force for 28 years and is former military police officer. He retired from the metro parks after 10 years. And as a parks officer, his law enforcement background has given Mr. Preston the leadership expertise needed to excel and all that he endeavors to the community and whereas Mr. Preston is currently serving as president of BOE he can reach it. Owners Association since 2010, during his term as a president, Mr. Weston has implemented a vision of impacting blight and crime and also has put into effect several community cleanups and a neighborhood watch. Additionally, he has implemented more youth activities that promote the importance of education and imparts sound advice to the youth and whereas it is leisure time, Mr. Preston is an avid avid baseball fan and inducted into the Detroit softball softball Negro League Hall of Fame in 2013. Additionally, Mr Preston enjoys officiating high school baseball games, and is the president of Tuesday night mixer bowling leagues at Bonanza bowl. Now, therefore, be it resolved that the Detroit board of police commissioners speaking on behalf of the citizens of the great city of Detroit recognize and honors the long life, contribution and commitment to the excellent and public service of Mr. George Preston. His display of an unwavering community spirit has improved the quality of life for citizens of Detroit. We welcome and congratulate you. This is Preston
you got a couple of minutes but first of all, I just want to say I noticed man personally been doing it for many years. He opened up many doors in district three for me before I became a police commissioner. Many doors you remember them days?
Yeah, I just like to thank you for the resolution. And, you know, I just want to thank all the people. The reason I've been able to win this award is because of all the people that I've been working with who have been diligent in terms of making things happen in our community. So again, I am the proud recipient of this award on behalf of my overall community. So once again, thank you, thank you, thank you
so now the chair entertain a motion to adopt this resolution into our archives. Lou, is there a second? Problem moving Second? All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. All those opposed, no. The eyes have it. Congratulations to the chair. Yes, Commissioner Burton.
I just like to add that years ago you know, I used to work for Wayne County Commissioner, Martha G. Scott. I was our public relations director for our office and I used to always come over to the meridian regions. Meetings and I remember meeting Mr. President years ago and I remember when I represented that office. I presented you with a war years ago. Do you recall? Yes. And so now you'd be in presented today well for war about a border police commissioner. So just just show you the leadership and hard work of Mr. President. And the Mojave region in this community.
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resolution honoring Russ bland
whereas wherever whereas Mr. Russ bland was born in Detroit, Michigan in 1948, and he has an extensive background in community service. Mr. Bland served 12 years as a Detroit library commissioner in in, in all officer titles. He is currently serving 15 years as a neighborhood block club president and he has rehabilitated houses for 11 years. He also served 10 years as a president by BP of the neighborhood association. We care about Van Dyck Seven Mile. Mr. Bland is currently the treasurer for the ninth precinct, Police Community Relations Council since 2016. Additionally, Mr. Blank is a former treasurer of the Miskin apprenticeship Steering Committee, which is a US Department of Labor advisory group. And he also served as a advocate for the Detroit Public Schools and whereas Mr. Bland, attended Henry Ford Community College as a as well as Wayne State University, earning a Bachelors of Arts, Bachelors of Arts in History, Mr. Blank served two years as a student, government president and a here as editor of The University of newspaper he organized apparate hinted work several books and taught a university course and whereas Mr. Blank worked at Great Lakes steel, he worked in the furnace labor and became a heavy equipment mechanic. Periodically Mr. Blank worked on the worked on one doc cool one doc or docx, coke ovens and blast furnace labor gangs and held the position of safety committee man in the mechanical shop, Mr. Blank inducted into the US army and was sergeant in the airborne artillery. His achievements with the Army include being part of seven man team that represented the army, US Army at the 25th University, University anniversary of D Day, Normandy Beach, France in 1969. And he also received an Army Commendation Medal and whereas Mr. Blank has rich employment history, serving in various roles and capacities over the years, he worked as as a freelance writer and researcher, newspaper editor and research interim for UAW. And also worked as a roofer. After serving in these roles, Mr. Blank was employed with the city of Detroit beginning his new career in the water utility department. As a water plant operator and, and plant union steward. Additionally, Mr. Bland directed apprenticeship program teaching, training electricians, plumbers, and mill rates for several years. Mr. Bland was the director of education for for the International Union of Operating Engineers, for stationary engineers in the Michigan and directed that apprenticeship program as well. He also served as Chief of Staff for a state legislator. Now therefore, let it be resolved. That the Detroit board of police commissioners speaking on the behalf of the citizens of the great city of Detroit recognizes and honors the long life contributions and commitment to excellence in public service of Mr. Russ Belen. His display of unwavering community spirit improved the quality of life for the citizens of Detroit. We thank you Mr. Ross Polat.
Chair entertain a motion adopted a resolution to our archives. I need a motion. Is there a second? All those in favor please signify by saying aye. Aye. All those opposed, no. The eyes have it. All right ahead.
Just want to thank Mr. RESPA. Knowing personally opened many doors for me in district three and another one right here before I became Police Commissioner, thank you Mr. Ross.
I think I submitted too long a resume I want to say that the inspiration for my public service came on the 25th anniversary of D Day on the beaches of Normandy, France. I had the honor to represent the United States Army in front of General Omar Bradley, who led the invasion, World War Two and and the way in our train was full of vibrant discussion until we got into Normandy and we saw miles of graveyards. It taught me the public service must be part of my life those people gave more than anything I will ever give. And I hope that everyone who is in public service will think in terms of the great sacrifices others have made. will think in terms of the humility and the mutual respect that we need to cultivate in our city, in our nation and in this world to survive the prospects of another catastrophe that we defeated in World War Two. Thank you. Thank you
Mr. Chair,
can you
know I got I got me to read the last one.
I got it. Okay, good.
I got Commissioner burden.
You know, thank you, Mr. Chair. I just wanted to say that is great to see that Mr. Russell line is being honored by the border police commissioners today. Once again years ago when I represent Martha G. Scott's office. I used to always go over to the weekend meetings, or he was the president or vice chair of those meetings as well. Just show you that you know that the impact that he has in our community when it comes to community service policies. When I think of leadership, I think of you know the wonderful leaders that we have here today like Mr. Preston over Mohegan black club, but also think of Ross valon. When I think of policies, I think leadership is I don't think there's anyone in our community that can that understands policy the way Mr. Russell lot, understands policies and the work that he has done in Lansing and on behalf of the residents here in Detroit. So wanted to say congratulations to all the Ortiz today that's been recognized by this board.
Thank you for that. All right. And so for our last resolution, we will have Commissioner woods to read him and it will be presented by Commissioner banks.
resolution recognizing knife knife present all these community relations leader Phyllis sample whereas Mr. Sample is the founder and executive director of response. Abel hands and mines incorporated a nonprofit organization known as Rohan. Both Mr. Sample and Rahama are noted for extensive outreach to help achieve safer and stronger neighborhoods throughout the ninth precinct and other Detroit communities. And whereas Mr. Sample took on his current mission with Rohan, after transforming himself and his life, through his books, poetry and music, he frequently shares how his single mother raised him around gangs, drugs and violence in poor neighborhoods, and both Detroit and Chicago and how he became a game member at a late age. 11. A gang leader at age 14 and a Michigan prison inmate at age 18. On 15 years of incarceration, he began working to make amends and participate in efforts to help prevent youth involvement in crime and gang violence. And whereas, since 2017, his work has focused on rebuilding community bonds that help youth, families and neighborhoods thrive. He is a former outreach specialist with ceasefire, Detroit, the violence and Gang Prevention Coalition with representatives from law enforcement, criminal justice, social service and the clergy. As a resident of the ninth precinct, he frequently supports the Police Community Relations Council, its outreach programs and activities through harm and is based at the Samaritan Center. He also collaborates with numerous other Eastside groups to help bring residents together to improve public safety. As an author, Mr. Sample touches even more people with messages about the power of positive change. And community action. therefore be it resolved the Detroit board of police commissioners speaking on behalf of the residents of the city of Detroit and the Detroit Police Department recognize his commands, Mr. Phillip sample for his dedicated leadership and contributions to improving public safety and police community relations and the night preset you are
don't do it don't do it. Yeah. Yeah.
So so when I first got when did this I say that I know who. Then I think of a story that I share with you real quick. Once upon a time. It says there was a great feasts. And brother Jesus and his disciples were in attendance that I wanted the disciples eggs brother Jesus. Do you know that show reputation is at stake because you sit in sub with prostitutes thieves and murderers? For which he responded, what makes you think that your soul is more valuable than then? But what he knew in his infinite wisdom is this. That there will come a time when a certain element of people would need to be testified to and you can testify if you don't have a testimony. All right. So they say that brother Phil is gang specialist I say that brother field was able to pull from his trauma and pain stash. Yeah. A lot of people say I don't want no award. I don't care about that. I do. I want it I need it. And because guess what? There's a file on Philip sample somewhere in the mtoc. Yeah, or the DOJ or the DEA or the ABC. But it's also a found on film samples. So yeah, right. Yeah. And the way that he offset what he did is by doing what he doing, thank y'all. I thank my team, my family of whom I drive absolutely crazy. For a two Oh, live shot stoppers. And let me speak to that real quick. They say you're not doing as well as others in the numbers in the foyer 205. That's because we HS aiming to take guns out of hands, brother there. We trying to take motor at a heart? Yeah, I take the nine out the hand is only half for the resolution. So we're trying to create a whole environment that's indicative and reflective of the way it was. Deborah, when you first moved in the foyer 205. We thought it Deborah had got rich. It was a beautiful suburbs of a place. The inhale came and I'm one of the persons that lit the match. That's why I'm one of the hands that's rebuilding this thing. Thank you. All right.
Chair entertain a motion to adopt his resolution to archives. Is there a second? Second? I can probably move in second. All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. All those opposed, no. The eyes having the motion passed through the Chair? Yes. Mr. Vice Chair Smith.
Yes, through the chair. I would like to speak with Philip sample. You are very, very modest in your bio. You know, I've had the pleasure of working with you. You cease fire Detroit. When people don't know what about us that we were on call 24 hours a day, seven days a week. times we had this to spin with families who experience fatalities, to comfort them to give them something that they didn't even know most of us. We didn't even know what to do. But my most recent experience with you when I called on you about a 13 year old that's been missing since January nine. You immediately moved you organized and galvanized a group of people that most people could not touch or even speak to. We were out there knocking doors in the coal. And you said this would not be tolerated in our city. It's not normal and it won't be accepted for children just to come up missing. I appreciate you. And I love you brother.
Well said, But it got me. Commissioner Woods
also want to uplift his brother have done a lot of work with him in the Detroit Public School System, being able to talk to young people and to encourage them and to inspire them to be better I was a little late today who would have been with me today but he was getting an award here you know so, but we've been challenging these hookah shops that's been poisoning our children and he's boots on the ground dedicated to that type of work and I know all of the great work that you're doing. And so I say, we salute you. We thank God for you. We thank God for your transformation. And we thank God for you, God using you to transform the lives of men and women. In our community. So keep on keeping on. Excellent.
Again, congratulation to all of our honorees out there. We'll now move on to our Community Impact Report, where Chief Investigator Warfield will provide us his presentation
through the chair and to this honorable board and to the public. Thank you for the opportunity to report out. Before we get to the numbers of the citizen complaint reports and the progress that we're making at OCI. I do want to just bring you up to date and up to speed on a few things. We do have one more day for the investigator positions to remain posted. To date we received the 57 the resumes forward the six positions that we have vacant and again that post will close tomorrow at the end of the day. Also, for the cases that were returned back from the Office of the Inspector General, our three new investigators have been working on those cases. And the three of them in three weeks have resolved over 40 of those cases and closed over 40 cases in just three weeks. And so I hats off to our new investigators and to the person who's overseeing them senior investigator, Jessica hunter who was their trainer, and she's overseeing them at this time. In addition to that we have sent out letters to all of our backlog. The recipients of our backlog cases and they those responses are coming back in and so we are making sure that we have one on one contact through those letters which each person who was in that backlog category from the OIG office and want to thank Miss Jasmine Taylor, for her work in making that happen. And our administrative staff at OIG Miss Angela Cox and Miss Stephanie Phillips have been just monumental and getting that done for that work done for us. In addition to that, as we get into our numbers for the first quarter of 2024, and you have that report in your binders, and it'll be up on the screen in a minute. Want to thank Miss Mary Baker, who was just such an excellent resource for the border police commissioner and for office, and I thank her just for all of her help that she gives me making sure that our numbers are correct. Here we go.
Thank you just for my colleagues again, that's behind tab five and your binders go right ahead like economy.
Thank you chair as relates to the cases that are open in the house, for this is ending the month of March. 2024. We had 1753 cases opened at the end of March of those 1753 cases. 344 of those cases are from the zero to 90 day period. And 1409 of those cases are backlog and know those 1409 cases 700 of those cases are the cases that came back from the Office of the Inspector General. Next slide please. This gives us an indication I apologize for the size of this but this gives us an indication of the trend line that we're receiving. And I will I will compare this versus last year in a moment here. But from January, February and March, we are outpacing the number of citizen complaint reports that we're receiving in our office. And as you know in 2023 it was somewhat of a record year for us as relates to our citizen complaints. And you'll see the number of cases that we've closed to date 143 cases had been close to date 420 Citizen complaint complaints have come into our office for the first three months of 2024 Next slide please. And if we compare this to the 2023 As you can see, there are 322 compliant CCRS they came in in 2023. And we had close to 152 cases we have to put an asterisk by that 252 cases because some of those cases that were deemed as close in those months or cases that ended up and the OIG report that we are now going back in to complete so it really should be an asterick at that number. Next slide please. This is looking at the overall reduction of the office and actually is off by one. But we have again closed in the month of March just for the month of March 43 cases that are closed from all three teams actually is 44 cases closed from all three teams and when you look at the cases that are closed versus the cases that are still in review, in other words, those cases have been submitted. And they're waiting for the quality reviewer or myself to sign off all those cases. You're looking at a total production of 116 cases for the month of March. And so considering the fact we're still under staff, we're still making great progress and making sure that we're doing the work of the people and answering and resolving and resolving their citizen complaints. Next slide please. As relates to the allegations for the month of March and 2024, we had a total of 377 allegations. And you can see that again about 70% of those allegations are broken out into procedure demeanor. And and service as as it normally is. Yeah. Procedure demeanor and service as it normally is. And so you'll see that then we can break it down next slide. We can break it down to the actual command level. And I'm sorry for the smallness of the slide but you had to put a lot of information in but you'll see all 377 Those allegations how they're broken out by the various command levels in the various precincts. And and we broke them out for the various Commissioner districts if they wish to follow up as well. Next slide, please. Any questions?
All right, thank you for your report, again, to try to make that more digestible to our citizens. We'll start here. What is the number of fully staffed investigators if we have all the investigators that we are a budgeted to have what is that number? So
if we had everybody in place right now we'll be at a total of 23.
So when OC eyes fully staffed, we have 23 investigators, how many investigators do we currently have? We currently have 1515. And so we're currently short, eight investigators and that's why we're hiring those where you said there's 57 applications that have come in that we're hoping over the next few weeks we'll be able to hire them so that we are fully staffed so that we're dealing with 23 investigators to deal with the backlog. My next question again, to help us to understand this again, these citizen complaints are when citizens have a negative encounters with law enforcement. They have an opportunity to fill out a citizens complaint report and what our numbers are showing for this year is that more complaints are being filed this year than were filed last year. And last year was a historic rate. Correct? Correct. Yes, sir. Hey, and so to note that again, now, as some of that might be that citizens are now more readily understanding the opportunity that they have to file complaints, because I want to kind of juxtapose that to this data point and I don't know if we have that for 2024. But I do know that as we preparing for the city council's budget, so when we investigate the complaints that citizens have, I believe it was 2022 that 18% of those complaints were sustained versus stay which is significant. Yep. Okay, so hearing that So out of all of the citizens who wrote citizen complaint reports, and we investigated those reports, 18% of them came back and sustained which suggests that what the citizen said happened, actually happened. And there was some level of discipline that should have been meted out to those officers for that. But then the following year, even though we have more complaints that were being submitted, the amount of cases that were sustained, I believe was 12%. Correct? Yes. Hey, so even though there are more citizens who are filing complaints, the number of those complaints that are being sustained is actually going down, which is suggesting that when we investigate these, what the investigators are seeing is what the citizen said happened is not happening at the same rate that it did the year before it went from 18% to 12%. Okay, and then the last thing just again, so we're digesting. What these numbers are saying is that the top three things our community is complaining about with negative encounter with police officers, is procedure. Okay, so that's saying they did something out of order. Oftentimes in the cases that I've reviewed and this is anecdotal, I can't give you the actual number, but it's mostly that they didn't have their body worn camera on, which is a failure of procedure. Some might suggest that there are other things they didn't say why they were pulled over. They didn't suggest what the stop was for. So procedure is number one. Number two is demeanor, which suggests that the officer use language that was inappropriate against policy. And then last is service which suggests that a call was made. They needed help they needed service and service was not rendered. Those are the top three complaints that citizens are filing citizen complaint forms for now, I want us to note that because oftentimes the narrative in law enforcement and all of those are alarming and concerning. And we want to ensure that we're doing the very best that we can to create oversight of our law enforcement officers so that those things are done. But when you see things like force or harassment, those things are actually low on the number of citizen complaints that are coming in on that are just based on this year's number. Again, around force. It's only nine we only got nine complaints around force. When it comes to harass, we only got 29. Now again, one is too many. All right one is too many. But I do want to put that in context. So as you all are hearing these numbers, these are the things that we're focusing on. When we talk to a DPD and chief white in training and in policy to ensure that the number of complaints we're getting in which again around procedure demeanor in service are the things being addressed. So hopefully that makes that a little bit more digestible chief investigator, and thank
you, Mr. Chair and through the chair. We also want to point out to the citizens that when we do see cases that are egregious, we do forward that information over to the chief's office, as well as we send it over to disciplinary and they act immediately on those issues. And so the chief's office have been lockstep as relates to making sure that egregious misconduct is taken care of immediately. And I want the citizens of the city of Detroit to understand that. Thank
you any further questions or comments Commissioner burden question? For
the Chief Chief Warfield, when it comes to the backlog of citizens complaints that the 700 that was confiscated by the by the Inspector General's office, have your office been notified about the outcome of that investigation?
Through the Chair? Actually, there was 1400 cases that was taken out of our office by the Office of Inspector General, all those 14 cases. 1400 cases were delivered back to our office a few months ago, about a month and a half ago. And so yes, we have been informed of those 1400 cases. That were brought back 705 of those cases still needed to be investigated, although they were they were labeled as close. So we are going in right now the process that our new investigators are doing, they're going into those cases to complete those investigations and notify our citizens.
Thank you have
any further questions? Commissioner woods?
Yes. I want to applaud Chi Chi for your hard work, I call you often and been working with you on the direction of our chair, and I want to applaud our chair for creating the special personnel and training committee. And you the citizens to rest assure that those interviews for the remaining investigators will be done. Within the next two weeks. We is our attention to have that schedule and feel those positions because if you fully staff, you could be at maximum reach your maximum potential in terms of investigation that correct this year. Yes, sir. Yep, and so rest assure that this chairman is mean business. The chief me business in this commission mean business that we will give fully staff and we will get all investigators done in a expedited fashion.
Thank you any further questions or comments? Hearing none, thank you again for your report. And now we will move forward to the chief of police and the ninth precinct report. And so I'll give it to you to determine how you want to handle that.
Oh, I'm Deputy Chief, thank you through the Chair. I'm Deputy Chief Tiffany store. I just want to say that I am very happy to be here tonight as a former captain of the ninth precinct probably about seven years ago. I know what a great community to see is I know what a highly engaged community this is. And I certainly think our current command staff commander Lawrence pure four and Captain named Nathan Deuter aren't going to be a great fit, as evidenced by the report they'll give you at I read the cheese. The Chiefs report. Okay, great. So moving on to the Chiefs report our crime data we're continuing to experience reductions in our part one violent crime. We're 29% reduction homicide, a 13% reduction in non fatal shootings 26% reduction in robberies. We also have a 37% reduction in carjacking. carjackings are total Part One violent crime as a whole is a reduction of 10% over last year. Moving on to drag racing and drifting enforcement stats for last weekend. Just we started it I think the week prior to that just a number of great stats already last week we had over 38 traffic stops we issued over 15 citations investigated over 44 vehicles impounded for two felony arrests. We had like six runs related to drag, drag racing and we had two spectators, tickets issued and as a whole since we began it's been like 95 traffic stops we've issued over 41 traffic citations. We've impounded 13 vehicles we've recovered for stolen vehicles. Nine weapons recovered. We've had a total of 32 police rods related to drifting and drag racing, and we've issued 10 spectator tickets. So it's early so hopefully I will get a handle on it and they'll calm down before the summer months. Start when the calls really start coming in. So moving on to mental health related costs for service. And the last seven days, we had 287 costs service for
mental health related costs. Violent armed, not violent, violent, not armed and those dealing with suicide. Year to date over last year were slightly up over 4475 calls this year, and we serviced over 33,939 costs. We've also tracking our overdose related costs. last seven days we had 94 overdose related costs, and we service year to date over 1200 costs for overdose. Related police runs moving on to some some significant events. For the past week. We had a non fatal shooting an officer involved shooting actually in the eighth precinct on Thursday, April 4 of this year at 7:19pm. Officers were in the area of ramela. Finkel on an investigation of a suspicious person. Officers were our routine patrol in the area when they observed the suspect walking east or Finkle with what appeared to be a hand gun. They pulled up to the suspect and exited the scout car to investigate and suspect began to flee. East one brammall officers initiated a foot personal East in the alley at which point the suspect removed the weapon from his side. Officers fearing for his safety fire two shots at the suspect striking him one time in his right leg. They secured the suspects weapon at the scene that provided medical attention until medics arrived and transported him to the hospital. He was later identified as a 16 year old male he isn't stable because he wasn't stable condition. That night. He was later released from the hospital and then transported to Wayne County juvenile facility. No officers were injured during this investigation. Or Friday, April 6, the Wayne County prosecutor's office signed a warrant and the suspect was arraigned in 36. District Court on the following charges carrying a concealed weapon receiving and concealing and resisting and obstructing. He's currently held on a $3,000 temporary and cash bond at the Wayne County Juvenile Detention Facility. And pursuant to DPD policy This matter has been turned over to the homicide Task Force for investigation as this office this matter involves DPD officer the Michigan State Police will assume the lead in the investigation is always and the DPD is critical incident debriefing that the chief instituted will be released within 45 days of the incident. On another incident we had a drag racing incident in 11th precinct on Sunday the seventh officers were in the area of Van Dyck and Lynch on a call for drag racing in progress. They arrived on the scene and observed a black Dodge Charger with no license plate driving westbound on Lynch. Officers activated the overhead lights and sirens and initiated a traffic stop he fled and I get a high rate of speed. The driver turned the headlights off and proceeded to drive northbound on Bandag disregarding all traffic lights and varying forces between lanes of travel by driving around other vehicles without using signals to elude the traffic stop. After driving westbound on Nevada and making a U turn the driver continues I'll file or scouse lost sight of him about 17 minutes later Michigan State police helicopter Trooper to observe the vehicle pull into a BP gas station and join evergreen. After observing the scouts you know scouts went over to the scene after observing the scouts. The driver attempted to run to turn right on the joy road but then changed directions and went left activate after activating overhead lights and sirens officers initiated a traffic stop again but the driver fled because in driving at speeds greater than the posted speed limits. The Trooper continued to follow the vehicle and alert and multiple other agencies in the area including Michigan State Police were on the ground as well. They were able to disable the vehicle using spike strips. occupants exited the vehicle fled in different directions. The trooper in the helicopter was able to keep the driver in sight and he was later apprehended. Officers recovered a stolen Dodge Charger that they were driving reported from Adrian Michigan and on Monday, April eighth the Wayne County prosecutor's office signed a warrant and the suspect was arraigned in 36. district court. He is currently at Wayne County jail on $100,000 bond. We had a couple other incidents we had a couple actually three fatal shootings 1/11 precinct on Monday. The eighth officers were dispatched to the 1000 block of West Arizona or ShotSpotter alert, which was upgraded to a shooting. officers arrived shortly thereafter for 14 Shots fired and they observed several people standing outside and location stating that someone inside was shot officers entered the location and observed the victim suffering from a gunshot wound to the head. They arrived and pronounced. Medics arrived and pronounced the victim dead on scene. Detectives were able to determine that a male wearing a black ski mask who drove away from the location in a blue I know maker model SUV shot the victim. This investigation is still ongoing. We are asking for any tips that you can contact Detroit rewards TV or Crimestoppers at one 800 Speak up. We had another homicide on Tuesday the ninth officers were dispatched to the 3200 block of Fullerton for shooting. officers arrived at the scene and observed the victim lying in the street with two gunshot wounds to the chest. Officers were notified that medical assistance will take approximately 15 minutes and officers transported the victim to Henry Ford Hospital. Upon arrival at the hospital. The victim was pronounced dead and detectives from the homicide unit were notified. Detectives were able to determine that the suspect got into an argument with the suspect named Dave who shot I'm sorry detectives were able to determine that the victim got into an argument with a suspect named Dave who shot the suspect and drove away in a red pickup truck westbound on Fullerton. Detectives identify the suspect and track the vehicle to 3700 Clement Street where two suspects were arrested in a red Chevy pickup truck. Both suspects were conveyed to the detention center. And detectives will be working on a warrant to prepare and submit to the Wayne County prosecutor's office for review related to this. That's another homicide. I'm gonna skip over that one more time and I'm gonna go to some of our positives. We did have a promotional ceremony Monday. We do promote 36 members of the department to various ranks from commander all the way to detectives. We also have a graduating class tomorrow. Friday is going to be a greater Grace tomorrow at 2pm 35 Student police officers will be graduating from the training academy. We started last month doing let's chop it up Tuesday and as part of chiefs neighborhood liaison. That's where DPD men are able to share their experiences and have peer to peer conversations. They got a great turnout for that. So it's something that they're gonna continue to do appearing some peer, some mentorship and just able to sit back and talk about some of the things that they that they're dealing with on a job so I thought that was right and wanted to mention it. Palau, the book launch party and fundraiser through Detroit Palau, they hailed in raise funds for the Powell Advisory Board Chair Jerry Bolin the $20 donation for each ticket went to Powell and book sales were benefited as well. And on Sunday, actually PAL is hosting an empowerment event for girls ages 1118. The goal is to increase retention and engagement through peer to peer bonding and professional development training. This event will feature pal alumni and program coordinator Kyra Balram, who will speak on resiliency this event will run from 11 to two at the corner Borough Park and as usual, all of our precincts are involved in a community. The eighth precinct will be joining Goodwill for donation drive it for a while rec center tomorrow and Saturday and on Sunday, the Fourth Precinct will join Goodwill for donation drive at Patton rec center. I'll push on to the precinct unless you want to ask me some quite a
list of questions for the chief first and then we'll our precinct report. Let me also take this opportunity to a warmly encourage you that if you have not done so to look at your cell phones and make sure that they are on vibrate. So again that our citizens who are watching by zoom aren't distracted by ringing phones. With that. Any questions for a deputy chief steward?
Yes, Commissioner Woods
oh no and Deputy Chief and you as relates to the shooting of the 16 year old or the day to day interaction. You said that that's been investigated by the State Police. Yes,
yes. Homicides has force is really is a task force made up officers from various other departments. Including Michigan State Police who will investigate DPD officers.
So Plymouth narrowly the information that you guys have is that you know, he was running he was armed. And you know, there was an interaction what was the interaction if
the interaction was him grabbing his hand gun that was the Interact okay. And officers fearing for day safety. fired shots at him instruct him.
Okay. Is the all due to officers receive any type of counseling methods this type of interaction? Oh,
absolutely. They they speak to we actually put them off usually and man, no gun status, or we will move them to a different assignment while they go through that process and speaking to somebody and making sure that they're okay. Okay,
thank you. You're welcome.
Any further questions? A relative again to that officer involved shooting? There is body worn camera footage available? Yes. Okay. And then I noticed you said that the chief will be providing the critical debriefing. According to the policy in 45 days. Will the commissioners have an opportunity to review that body worn camera footage prior to that?
I'm assuming you all will. Okay. Thank you.
Sure.
Yes, Commissioner Burton.
I have a question for the chief. What specific steps is DPD has taken to ramp up security during the draft. And how are you making sure that Detroiters are protected during that ramp up
so the draft security plan is huge. We have various departments from around the state involved not just Detroit Police Department. We've got Wayne County Sheriff's there's a Michigan State Police involved there's Detroit Public Safety school involved. There's various police departments just from around Southeast, southeastern Michigan and law. For the past few months. They've been doing security to briefings. For that footprint. Everybody has a specific job assignment. Those days of the NFL Draft are three restricted days for Detroit Police Department. Nobody gets the day off all hands on deck including officers in the academy. We have a number of evolves that we ran it to ensure the safety and security of not only the footprint of the NFL Draft but secondary activations as well evolves we'll be going in those locations. We have our seats at viewing any potential threats that's our counter intelligence committee through the real time crime center they run any any threat assessments related to the threat rap, they report on we look into their making sure that our video assets are in play with not only all community partners, but all stakeholders in the downtown Detroit area. So just the number of things we're doing to ensure the safety and the security of the community at large. We've got first aid kits coming in just we've got a whole lot we're trying to cover it from A to Z and they have weekly meetings regarding it. Commissioner burn. So,
Chief,
the chief promised that downtown will be safe for the draft. He make the same promise that our neighborhoods where Detroit is live, will feel equally safe through the
Chair. Yes, Commissioner. That's why we have restricted days and nobody can have those days off because we need all hands on deck. You need folks downtown and you still need to have calls for service answered in the precinct as well.
The chair my final question
would be
you know, two weeks ago, the chair and I, you know have asked for the ShotSpotter data, use agreement, share agreement and made it to be made publicly available to provide hard copies but last week, where we see unrelated documents based off of the data sharing agreement and it was based off of the license plate readers. But information that we asked him for that we requested was the ShotSpotter data sharing agreement isn't available yet. Although
the chair so I was not here obviously last week, so I'm not sure what was what was provided to you. I will ask that you put anything that you're requesting in writing so we can submit it and we can pull what you need and we can make sure that you get the proper information that you're requesting what
Chief you have a pin there you got to pat you got your your your officers here. The Quest has been made several weeks ago I'm making it again now I'm making it in this public meeting. So is have been made countless times. In this meeting, Commissioner
Berman will ensure that that request is made. And just to clarify, again, we wanted to have a robust meeting after there was so many questions that was surrounded a data sharing agreement. The resolution that was made was that we would have a meeting focusing on that item in particular and that the department would have an opportunity to respond to any questions that we might have regarding that. But again, you don't have to write the email. I'll ensure that our board secretary does that. So again, we have efficiently and effectively communicated with the department your your desires. Thank you. Any further questions? Commissioner banks,
from the chair, Blessings to you and your household chief? You're quite welcome. Do do DVDs to have the nuisance abatement program that's to the Wayne County prosecutor's office where you have maybe if someone is having prostitution out of their house, or they selling drugs out of the house, they get three times and they can be pulled out out of their house is that it's still on the records but is DPD still enforcing that though?
So nuisance abatement, actually they do. Actually they do have their number, make sure we speak to the chair, go right in the chair. Actually they do still do nuisance abatement, depending on the specific circumstances. They will go to court regarding those matters. And typically, if I'm not mistaken, it goes to the city law department as well. You run it back with me again. Before I say yes, we still do nuisance abatement. Depends on specific cases was going on in certain locations, and it's actually handled through the law department. Okay, thank you. You're welcome.
Any further questions or comments? All right, hearing none. We will now receive the presentation where the ninth precinct with Commander Eric Decker and Captain Derek Griffin. No
no. Up to the chair commander Lawrence Purefoy current commander and Captain Nathan due to current captain. Those
who are now coming back are big on the wild ride. Reading was on my agenda here.
Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening, everyone. Good evening evening, but aboard the citizens of the ninth precinct. On behalf of the members sworn and non sworn this the civilians and the citizens of ninth precinct. My staff Captain Duda i Commander Lawrence Purefoy present the following report. Overall ninth precinct in 2024 There has been a 14% decrease in major crimes with a 17% decrease within the last 28 days. Year to date and 2024 There has been a 14% decrease in victims suffering from violent crime in the past 28 days property crimes have decreased by 29%. Year to date in 2020 Ford there has been a 36% decrease in homicides and 2023 we had 11 homicides year to date and 2024 We have seven as far as CSC one and three. We have a 60% reduction and 2023 we had 28 and 2024. We have 11 and robberies for the ninth precinct and 2024 We have a 15% reduction and 2023 we had 45 reported and 2024 2023 We have 45 and 2024 We have 38 Robbers aggravated assaults were down 11% 2023 We had 279 reported and in 2024 we have 247
are carjackings, year to date and 2024. We have had a 20% increase which actually is a result of one increase where you'd have six year to date and 2024 whereas in 2023 we had five our overall precinct crime reduction strategy between 24 Our goal is to be under 13 minutes in total response times as of today, the first quarter we have met and exceeded that goal. Another goal is upon improving upon the reductions in crime from 2023 that just reported 2024 We're meeting and exceeding that goal. Our current focus areas within the ninth precinct is scar areas 9596 And nine seven our overall strategy has had an impact on homicides, CSC robbery, aggravated assaults, which have decreased and 2024. Additionally, part one crime has also reduced decreased in 2024. And our focus areas stockcar area nine five has seen overall decrease in part one violent crime of 41% during this first quarter our stockcar area nine six has seen an overall decrease in part one violent crime by 30%. Our Scout car area nine seven has an overall decrease of part one crime by 14%. We will continue to monitor these areas monthly and adjust our strategy as necessary. Let the
youngsters be you keep the door open. We go right ahead. He's
continuing on in 2024 or a non fatal shootings. We have shown a 45% increase in our non fatal shootings and 2024. We now have a total of 29 non fatal shootings and 2024 versus 20 shootings. Currently the non fatal shooting teams closure rate is 41%. This includes two cases from the prior year. But we are still investigating all of our prior year non fatal shootings. We will not give up on those. We anticipate having an additional two having two additional non fatal shootings backed out shortly as accidental with the offender now identifying and what we mean as backed out we back out shootings that are self inflicted and considered accidental as they're non criminal. highlight some of the work from our non fatal shooting team. 11 200 Marang on February 2020 24, we had a suspect and a vehicle in a suspect vehicle and this incident was identified using the flat camera systems and the license plate was obtained. The vehicle was subsequently located in the hotel parking lot and inside of the vehicle were 3000 fentanyl pills. The gun that was used to shoot the victim and paperwork with a suspects name. A female who was inside of the vehicle. She cooperated and gave full details about the shooting. A warrant was submitted for the shooter with the following charges the assault when I tend to come and murder assault when I tend to have great bodily harm Bolognaise assault weapons fire on discharge from a vehicle causing injury. Weapons firearms discharge a building cause an injury. felon in possession carrying a concealed weapon and felony firearm times six when we times times six means that there were a number of victims that was in the area when this this person was committing a crime. Additionally, he was determined to become an habitual offender second offense, which means this is the second time that he has been charged with such offenses. After the shooting our shooter he fled the state to Tennessee and then to Arizona, where he was located by our team. Our team did some great work with the cooperation of some citizens and their investigative skills and located him in in Arizona. Excuse me in Arizona. The US Marshals assisted with his apprehension and he was taken into custody while he was in Arizona. He was arraigned federally for charges in Tennessee and Kentucky. So he had some charges in Tennessee and Kentucky in Kentucky. Where he was indicted federally for selling narcotics. We are currently awaiting extradition back to Michigan, due to him challenging his extradition and a governor's warrant is being sought in this case. He's fighting that case. Really fighting us extradition back to Detroit. Because with all of the charges that we have, he will actually end up serving more time in a state prison than he would federally so he's fighting that hard but with our governor's warrant, we're sure to have him back here very very soon. are getting to an area with which helps us a lot controversial to some not to others of our ShotSpotter program. As far as the ShotSpotter. We'll continue to investigations to follow up on priority strapped spotter locations of their overall goal of 200 search warrants for 2024 are prioritized. ShotSpotter locations include those that have automatic weapon and multiple gun Nexus and or a convicted felon registered to the address.
Can you repeat that? Would you just say
we prioritize our ShotSpotter warrants to locations that have automatic gunfire and
the numbers.
We are our goals for 200 search warrants for 2024 Okay. Okay, currently for the first quarter, we've s 46 ShotSpotter warrants were executed. up with those 46 ShotSpotter warrants. We arrested eight felons and we recovered 55 firearms. Overall, there has been a reduction of 629 gunfire incidents year over year from this time in 2023, as well as a reduction of 2137 rounds fire year over year for this time it's 2023. Briefly for the first quarter. In 2023, we had 2350 rounds ShotSpotter runs as only 24 for the for the first quarter that we had a reduction of 676 rounds. We currently have 1616 174 for 2024 That is a reduction of 29% while the number of rounds fired in 2023, we get 1951 2024. We have 6814 This is a reduction. This is a total change of 2137 rounds fired within a community and a 24% reduction so we're continuing to use these statistics. Overall with this report for ShotSpotter. It is telling us that the program is actually working. We had ninth precinct went live the entire precinct 2023 We need a time to get our data together and for the first quarter of 2024. We can see that the ninth precinct the community is a lot safer from people firing weapons. And year to date and 2024 the ninth precinct has taken 213 firearms off the street. We have follow up by our specialized units. After a non fatal shooting at 202. Well on Pelkey I just want to put the address out. We had multiple non gang members were present our ceasefire officers conducted conducted extensive follow up on the case alongside with gang intelligence or gang Intelligence Unit. After an extensive citywide search these fire officers were able to apprehend a suspect on March 6 2024. At his residence within the ninth precinct. Another one was another citizen suspect was on parole at the time of the incident. And this was seen he was seen on the video firing shots at firing shots this suspect has since been returned to prison and is facing multiple additional charges in retaliation to this incident. We also have our restore peace operations which we conduct weekly. We have a ceasefire custom notifications. Our partnerships are in M DLC, homicide, gang intelligence, major violators bias enforcement, community prosecutors, which have recently returned to the ninth precinct. Our federal partners a USA we have federal partners and a USA is assigned to the ninth precinct. We also have the city of Detroit BC building safety engineering, environmental department. Moving on to our blind enforcement by our MPOs within the last 30 days, over 550 vehicles were tagged with 74 being tow. There were 13 stolen vehicles recovered and 114 flight tickets issue. The number of vehicles represent the total from private property and street enforcement. Work community programs. We have several programs but I like to specifically highlight our brotherhood program and our sisterhood program. Our brotherhood program is going on right now. That's where you see the young men in the hallway and what that does. We have two high schools within the precinct. I was born in Denby and we take the teenagers from there and then we mentor them so that they can see that just because they're living in in this whatever their circumstances they can be beyond that. There's hope beyond what they see within the precinct are also MPOs also are engaged
community ComStat meetings. Community meetings, school events, mentoring programs. Detroit at work, which is a job placement. The fee is always recruiting and hiring just in case you have anyone. Neighborhood cleanups working with block clubs and block associations and they actively participate in the meetings. And I like to stop and pause right there and just let the citizens know the block clubs are the heart and soul of our communities. And I encourage everyone if you have not started a block club if you are not active participant, please start one in your neighborhood. They do work they help out up tremendously. They are working different church events. We have assumption assumption grotto church charity Lutheran community Christian Fellowship, fountain of truth Mount Calvary Lutheran and if I have forgot your church, there are just there are numerous so I don't want to offend anyone. I'm working with nonprofit organizations such as black family development, Camp restore righteous sons in the alliance with our parks. See, see you then and now. Well, we also deal with a lot of quality of life issues as I just explained. We assist in removal of abandoned vehicles, and working with our Project Greenlight partners, our Project Greenlight partners as everyone knows, you can see the green lights flashing outside of the businesses just know that those businesses are a safe haven if you need them. We are monitoring those businesses constantly and we respond and they have been a great partner as well. Some of the upcoming events within the ninth precinct of the NFL Draft event at heileman which is right down the street here. That's going to be on April 13. From one to five strengthen unity community dinner, which is going to be on April 17 That's going to be from sixth to eighth and I made Maple Ridge Community Chest camp. That's gonna be on April 20. From 12 to three. The camp for those who don't know how to play chess only know parts of the pieces like myself. This can actually teach you to come out and learn to play chess, knowing that games such as chess, there are lifelong games. There's something that you can pass on to anybody. We also I used to work with a gentleman. His daughter was one of the state champions or the 10th See, he lived in a temporary saint. She also went out of the country and test test tournaments she was a teenager. So there are opportunities sitting down and learning these games. It's nothing different from a video game. With that, that is my report. Any question? Thank you so very much for your report commander pair for and with that. Commissioner banks Yes. Thank you through the chair. Is it Captain Oh commander, Commander sir. Commander Decker Decker has been going many years right. Oh, I'm sorry. I go way back with Decker in my home. You remember commander Mahone? I do I go back. Okay. Number 11. Amanda Decker is now at number 11. Amanda Decker is at the precinct. Oh easy. Yes, sir. Oh, I didn't know that. Okay, wonderful. Now, you say to one of the 13 guns Yeah, commander was taken off the streets and this year here today. We're commander where are the hotspots at in number nine tool in 205 cipco. In give me the hat to give us the hotspots please. Our current focus is on night Scout car areas. 9596 and nine seven would i What are the areas though? I mean, nine grass in seven mile I mean, I know that's the red zone over there. Set Marlin Gratiot. Right. Well that's that's seven out of eight mile grass. Kelly. Right. That's that's was typically known as the Red Zone. If you if for anyone in the middle of the precinct, let's go from seven mile from Gratiot to Kelly and from again Seven Mile all the way down to just south of Houston, Whittier. Those are our focus areas and but just because those are our focus areas does not mean that we're ignoring anything else that goes on in our other areas. So those are just our focus areas where we concentrate a lot of our issues, a lot of our resources. However, we're still following the data. If something was to flare up. Let's say on the northeast side, which is from Hoover to outer drive seven mile to stay close to the precinct. We are still pushing our resource over there to put out fires where they may pop up. A Commissioner Woods I'm sorry, what are you doing Commissioner? I'm all set. Thank you Commissioner woods. How critical is the work that you're doing? with groups like Rohan and friends and family? What role do that play with you guys there with the shot stoppers group? It's unspeakable. When Mr. Sample got up in it. What he said is we are trying to change the culture to make people understand and believe that you don't have to live this way. This is not normal. It's invaluable. So with the partnership of the citizens, my hope is that one day, a lot of our neighborhoods because of the citizens within the neighborhoods are taking back their streets. You won't need to see the presence of police. I believe that wants to citizens take it back. And then they get used to not saying police the citizens have won. That's my belief system value. Yeah. And last question is you gave some powerful numbers about the ShotSpotter you know, you know, I'm an advocate, advocate for shot stoppers and ShotSpotter. Yes, sir. Can you emphasize how important that two has been for you guys in terms of Senator reduction again, as far as these shot stoppers or Shot Spotter spotter you just talked about shots, stoppers. Again, we compare data year over year. The ninth precinct went or the entire precinct in 2023. That's when we went live with the entire precinct. You need time to evaluate the data. Okay, so for the first quarter, the returns that we are seeing are tremendous. And when you can say that there's a 29% reduction in a 24% reduction in the first quarter. That's huge. Thank you. That's very huge. Any further questions? Right, hearing none, thank you so much. Permission to burn Yes. I have a question. And it's this go for the commander here at number nine as well as the chief before the ShotSpotter data leak. That was that was released in the wire. I asked the question here at the table DPD said they didn't know and didn't have any information about the microphone locations. Have you requested or received the two of you any microphone locations information following the the reveal of ShotSpotter data security problems? For me the answer is no. And for the chair now, okay. And another thing are you too are aware of the Sivan Simmons case out of Rochester, New York, where a judge reveal that ShotSpotter technology was was was not reliable. Um, I have heard of the case. However, looking at the data that I have, with the arrest that we have, with the weapons that we've confiscated in my humble opinion. It's working. And are you aware of the sharp Sivan Semmens case out of Rochester, New York so who the share commission version burden I'm not intimately aware of that case? I haven't studied that case. But what what I can tell you is Troy Police Department ShotSpotter works. We have tremendous, tremendous crime reduction is behind that. I think he just explained to you some of what they've experienced here in the ninth precinct, and we are an advocate for it. That's one case that you've mentioned. Again, I'm not familiar with the intricacies of the case, but I can tell you for the trip Police Department, the ShotSpotter technology is working. You know it was it was an innocent man that was that was arrested because of skank evidence. And and I was in Rochester New York. Are you to happen to be aware of the Michael Williams case out of Chicago, Illinois, where he was misidentified by shape spotter technology and went to prison for a crime he didn't commit that later was exonerated. Well, I think there might be X pairs of hundreds of millions of dollars right now in litigation in Chicago. To mention the Cago already made an announcement that they pull him back from your ShotSpotter program.
Commissioner Burton. Those are very alarming cases again and you know, national, I'd say they're alarming wherever they're happening. They're alarming. But again, it is important to ensure that we're talking apples to apples and not apples to oranges, which is I'm suggesting that because the policies that are in place in Detroit, with Detroit Police Department utilizing technology is not the same policy in place in Rochester, New York, and in Chicago. And so when you have policies in place to ensure the proper and effective use of the technology, it becomes difficult when you cherry pick these other incidences in other cities and states and try to compare them here. Now again, it is alarming and it should always encourage us as commissioners to make sure that we asking the right questions that we're doing our due diligence to ensure that this technology is being used constitutionally and effectively. But again, these are Detroit police officers. And I think it's important that you would have Detroit cases or incidences to have them to respond to as opposed to things that are outside of their jurisdiction, or that don't align with the same policies that we have here in the city of Detroit who to share as Commissioner burden
it lines up because it's the same technology. It's the same vendors the same company. There is a cost associated to this technology. We talked about civil liberties, we talking about our civil liberties community needs to be protected. We must defend civil liberties at all costs. And we use in this technology that's often getting it wrong, whether it's here or somewhere else, then the question is we shouldn't be using it at all. You know how you fight crime, you have to grow jobs. If you look at the 1968 corner commission report. It explains it right there's a 426 page document. I read the document twice. I encouraged members of this department, as well as the mayor's office and city council and current board members to also to dissect that report. Because the information that's in that report, I think we we can learn something a thing or two, even today. When it comes to ShotSpotter technology here. Let's look at the number of recce guns recovered year. To date versus last year and the costs associated to this technology. How many how many people were arrested? How many lawsuits? There's a whole lot of questions we really don't have here, but it is a cost association to it. We must continue to protect civil liberties. You know, microphone sensors are subject to pick up sensitive conversation from the street level from the ground level. And that's what those reports that I mentioned here, you know, talks about when it's in the Sivan Simmons case as well. As South Chicago but you got microphones This is so sensitive to pickups conversations from the street level. And when we talk about the NFL Draft coming downtown Detroit, our our you know these microphones sensors are they're going to be recording people's conversations I walk in by we talked about innocent women and children where it is the technologist being deployed on our streets. We talk about America's Black some poor city like Detroit.
Okay, so Duly
noted. And again, I think that it's important that we don't create unnecessary contradictions because of that same time that we should and are protecting civil liberties, which is why I said, make sure the technology is constitutionally we also need to protect life. And when you're hearing data that suggesting that the amount of shootings are going down, the amount of guns on the streets are going down. The felony arrests that are being made are substantial. I think that we should balance the conversation again, don't make unnecessary contradictions when they are there. There is a way at the same time we're protecting people's civil liberties, to also utilize technology to save people's lives. Any further questions,
Mission words and like their knowledge. So young people back there, let's give them a hand. Let's give them a hand. And odds and secondly, again, those those numbers that you gave commander a pair for? Can you repeat the numbers of how many guns was taken off the street as a direct result of assault? spotter? Absolutely, sir. And I guess in this quarter this year 2024
Absolutely. I can break this down by the month or January. We had 1081 ShotSpotter runs in 2023 and 2024. We have 853 This is a decrease of 21%. And the total change was 228 Less rounds that we went to as far as the rounds being fired in January. There was 4893 rounds that were fired. In 2024 there was 4286 rounds this was a reduction of 607 rounds, or 12% reduction.
Can you tell me how many people in the city of Detroit have the ring doorbell?
No, sir.
Right. You know, basically everybody had that right. It's common variant and that pickup conversations, right? Yeah, yes, it does. You know, so citizens can have technology, but the Detroit Police Department can have had to have technology that can detect gunshots and save lives.
I listen to your comments. I believe that the this technology only picks up gunfire. It doesn't. That was part of the agreement coming into the city. Part of what the city council they've really concentrated on that it only detects gunfire
and rest assure I'm on the policy committee. There's others on this policy committee, that we will protect citizens from any violation of their civil liberties. You know, and I'm sure that's the chief passion and that's your passion, that we will protect the citizens and so through the chair for those who are on the policy committee, you know, do your work, do your job, and make sure that we have ironclad policy to protect the citizens, but also that that we have enough technology that protect those babies back there. Thank you.
I don't know if they want it to be some presentation of the young man that came in. I think this is the Brotherhood programming you're speaking of. Yes, sir. Excellent. So these are freshmen to seniors. Come on in. Yes, please. Speak. Okay, when it comes down to public comment, excellent. We look forward to that'd be the very next thing on our agenda. If there are no more questions for the ninth precinct prints presentation.
One final thing I'd like to say. I wear this uniform for a certain amount of hours a day. I'm a citizen all the time. I would not like my civil liberties violated. So therefore, I do not go out and invite other people's civil liberties. Thank you. That's just what I like doing. I'm a citizen as well. Thank you. Appreciate
that. And we'll ensure not knowing what promotions or changes might come but the next time we're here the agenda will be correct. So we will know that it is Commander Lawrence Purefoy who is leading this great precinct Thank you leader
give him
so with that, we
will now move to oral communications as blossom i know that we probably have how many do we have? I mean, sorry. US Acting Secretary Brown. How many do we have?
Mr. Chair with that young man who's going to speak we currently have 10 speakers. Alright 10 speakers and so we'll start with the young man after that Miss de Buffington followed by Miss Karen going
up and so just so you know, everyone gets two minutes in remarks and so go right ahead.
All right, how y'all doing? Great. My name Diwaniyah just a brotherhood program. I kind of graduated from the Brotherhood program. I'm 20 But you know, I still come up here you know, just try to help out the youth because if you're gonna be honest, these my brothers and you know this the next generation so I got to help them stay on the next trip. But me I know you're in a rush, but can you just sit up here and act like the program? Okay. We kind of need hope. You know, we need more people. More kids, you know, we need trying to you know, get everybody on the right path. You know, but I just want to say I appreciate these guys because they helped me out a lot. Like, I don't know where I'd be right now. If it wasn't for them. Like, I went to like three different high schools, you know, a lot of different middle schools and I was getting kicked out just fighting a lot, but just know, on the right path, but they helped me get there. You know, I'm doing good, you know, I'm a carpenter. Nah.
I got
these guys. They they changed last and that's what I'm trying to get them to understand. And I want the whole community understand that or Detroit police officers are not bad.
Thank you. Thank you. All right.
This buffeted
the chair. Yes, Commissioner Berg.
Let's give that young man another round of applause
This Gordon was Miss Buffington on the Zoomer she was in person.
I don't feel Zoom is fear. Okay.
I will go to our next speaker.
This Gordon. Let's see Miss Gordon on zoom as well. So we'll go to Mr. Cardenas followed by Miss James gret.
Right
No problem.
Okay. Good afternoon. evening. Good evening commissioners deputy deputy and she on March 28. At approximately 430 My son Michael Kearns was pulled over on last year between six MT and Finckel while traveling south he was in my vehicle and once he was pulled over, the officer advised that he was being pulled over for going around a vehicle that was turning left or other vehicles went around that same vehicle as well. He then gave the officer his license registration and insurance, which are all correct and the officer then acts to search the car. He responded now. The officer then asked him to roll down his back window and he complied. The officer then told him to get out of the car because he saw a breeze they pin or his backseat. My son was then handcuffed and detained while the officers searched his vehicle. After the search concluded the officers tried to put the bait back into the car, and my son advised the officers to throw it away. Because of what had just happened. No ticket was issued. Um, so basically I'm asking that overzealous cops be held accountable and proper sanctions and training because this incident was a clear violation of his Fourth Amendment right there was no cause to search Nebia calm. I do also would like to add that my son is 19 But he's a very sheltered 19 Me and my husband raised him to obey the law. My husband he was also an officer of the law it till he passed away. So the officers involved were officers sporty number 3979 and Officer Cropper number 904. Thank you, thank you.
I'm gonna ask that soup investigator Excuse me, ma'am. Investigator Cornwell who's standing right there, he's gonna get your information so that we can investigate that complaint on your behalf. Thank you.
This is Greg followed by CAC member Scotty Bowman.
Good evening, good evening. I have this a two fold question. The commander mentioned that the areas that you're focusing on and I do live in one of those areas and for the past five years I have been asked the way he petitioning for help in the areas of Strasburg and six mile there is a lot of drug activity in that area. And the merchant refuses to monitor his parking lot stating that he's afraid to call the police because of retaliation. My statement to him was if you're afraid to call the police, then you shouldn't be in this area. calls your store down and move somewhere else. um of course that wasn't taken very well but my feelings are if you're afraid to call the police then you're free to be in this area. And I'm sure wherever he lives, the kind of activity that goes on at his around his business does not occur and they wouldn't tolerate it I'm sure where he lives. But in addition to that, I remember a time you had to have a permit to just to sell dog food. Now there are pop up barbecues everywhere. And I want to know is that being addressed that attracts a lot of illicit activities, fights and other undesirable things going on. It's I like to know what's being done about people just setting up barbecue pits all over the city.
Thank you. If you have somebody who can get that information from her and respond to those questions,
Mr. Bowman?
Hello.
First of all, I wanted to take issue with the chair in the manner that he handled a effort to amend the minutes by Commissioner Burton. I was actually I heard that meeting. I know that he did indeed have a second on his motion. And it's just a matter of accuracy. It doesn't necessarily have any matter of agreement or disagreement with what the motion is. It's just a matter of reflecting accurately in the record what happened and that's what the commission was asking for and to say that there was no correction cited when you just heard one is dishonest. I mean, you heard one and then you're saying all there is no correction made. I heard it. We all heard it. We're all in this room. So that's just a cognitive dissonance I think might be the phrase that would apply or a disconnect between one's beliefs and what is actually happening around one another matter of regarding the whole guise of thing. I don't know what is the real difficulty with calling for a ceasefire. And as far as the divestment part goes, I'm here to talk about divesting from companies that are connected with Israel that are involved in surveillance technology. It doesn't mean you get rid of the surveillance technology. It just means divesting in companies involved in Israel that are doing it. Now. I remember back I was in a group called SAS so two back in the 80s. And we asked for divestment of portfolios retirement portfolios in South Africa. Which is probably much more impactful on the people who have those investments than whether or not you have to find another company to do surveillance. So I just don't think that was too much to ask. And it's disappointing that the board couldn't have approved that resolution. Thank you. Thank you.
Next speaker for Bill zoom. Chris Chioma here, followed by caller with last three numbers 124.
Yes, you can go right ahead. name's
Chris Gilmer Hill, lifelong resident of the city Second District. Firstly, I'd like to thank Commissioner Burton and echo. Mr. Bowman's concerns that were just raised regarding the meaning of the minutes. Again, this is purely procedural and Mr. Burton was just objectively correct. There was a clear error in the last minutes he cited a specific part of the minutes that need to be corrected, and it was procedurally improper for that to be shut down by the chair. I'd also like to urge this board to adopt the resolution that's been brought time and time again, calling for a ceasefire in Gaza and divestment from surveillance technologies with ties to international human rights violations. And to be clear, well, I do have problems with several of the other kinds of surveillance technology that the city uses. This resolution doesn't ban surveillance, it doesn't ban the use of technology. This resolution specifically says we see the technology being developed in a genocide. We see what companies around the world are doing, trying to profit off of the violations of human rights, and we're not going to let that come home to Detroit. There is not a soul in the city that wants the technologies being developed in Gaza. To be used on our streets to commit violence against Detroiters. But to be blunt, I have very little faith that this board would refuse to allow the DPD to use those technologies unless we clearly set that guideline. Now. We need to be clear on this we need to set a precedent we need to say this will not happen in Detroit. And this resolution is the way to do that. I am disappointed that there's so much reluctance, but I am still optimistic. I know that there were some solutions offered by commissioners Burton and Bernard previously regarding ways that the commission could move forward on this resolution. I would urge you to move forward on it now and to not use things like the Council's resolution or the attorney who I believe is not present again, as an excuse for continuing to do nothing. Thank you.
Thank you
all with the last three numbers 124.
All over the last numbers one to four. Are you there
Yes, Hello, may I be heard
as you can go right ahead.
Okay, thank you. I would like to commend me and gentleman who spoke first and I'm glad he's getting out the word that not all police officers are bad police officers. And I just kept thinking about the time when I taught school in Detroit in the mid 90s. And there were a playground for the children. For a long time. I brought a soccer ball to school because that's when around the time the World Soccer Cup was here in the United States and the kids were thrilled to kick around the soccer ball but they didn't have a playground and stuff. And so now those people choose me they're now adults. And they didn't have a playground. And there was a lot more that wasn't there. You know, but there's also personal responsibility like don't litter and things like that. But I guess what I'm trying to say is I hope that we would adapt some more trauma informed care. I'd also like because I believe there's a lot of people that have been traumatized. They don't may not even know it. And I've learned a lot about trauma. I mean, a lot of people have different forms of trauma. And in terms of having an informed response, and because the officers what they witnessed sometimes are probably living with a lot of trauma too. And if we're not aware of it, then things can escalate and then it may not be pretty. I would also like to talk about directing attention to property crimes. And talk about a situation that escalated into way too much that a person who had some mental health issues could have had an earlier intervention by the police when he was caught stealing off somebody's porch six times. And then he started the young man started setting places.
The next two speakers with the one of the colonists, followed by former Commissioner William Davis
one of the coldest
Hello Are you there?
We'll go to our next speaker.
There Mr. Mr. Chair, but I'll go to formal commission
and then we'll come back to you sir. Or ma'am.
Good evening. Can I be heard? Yes, you can go right ahead. As a critique in our thank that. These meetings need to be shorter. Also, it should not take two hours before you get to public comment for people to speak the break to raise concerns. Awesome. When I was a police commissioner, I was at every meeting on time. I never missed a meeting. Perhaps you need to encourage more of your fellow commissioners to be more proactive about their attendance and tardiness. I see there was a recent article talking about given the number of the board of police commissioners a DEA for their attendance. You know people see what's going on. And I think you should also be encouraging more young people to be more active and know what's going on in the community and need to be more supportive of young people. I'm a strong community activist. I think we need to help to develop young people to become community activists. Also I am most supportive or ceasefire ceasefire resolution. I find it amazing that with so many black faces on this board, you know your cane support a ceasefire with people of color are being killed. You know, what's going on the Middle East is tragic. And I hope that we could help to encourage you to stop and discontinue. Also, I think you need to be more proactive about what's going on. You need to be more community orientated. And I need to encourage more of the officers to actually live in the city because when I used to say frequently our police officers need to love where they work, because so many of them don't live in the city. Thank you. Thank you
Mr. Chair. We'll go back to one of the code
are you there?
We're having a hard time hearing you if you they're
not unmuted.
Please unmute.
Are there any are the speakers acting Brown?
Mr. Theodosia last speaker Alright,
so we'll wait just a few more seconds here.
All right, well, we apologize for any technical difficulties that you might be having. But we'll move forward with our agenda. We now will have a presentation to the board by the ninth police precinct Community Relations Council. And that will be done by Miss Turner handy.
Good evening, everyone.
Good evening.
I'm gonna make this short. And sweet because we've been thinking for a while. Sorry for that. Not a problem. This is a necessary this is a necessary meeting. And we understand that because you guys represent us, you know, so you're there for us when we need you to be there. So we're going to be hearing your what's going on. Thank you. My name is Sandra Turner handy and I am the ninth precinct committee Relations Council President. I'm also the president of the Denby neighborhood Alliance. And I'm also the lead on the for a two live CBI grant. That's over in this area. We have two TBI grants in this area. We have friends and family and we have the Wayne Metro. DNA then b neighborhood Alliance and count we store Detroit. So our community our ninth precinct has been truly blessed with these grants in order to reduce fatal and non fatal shootings in our community. However, the strategies for doing that is different. First of all, I want to ask everybody that's a part of the 42 old lie the steel here to please stand up.
These people have made a commitment to this community to this free thing. You guys are sitting in for a 205 which is known as 4820 die. We are changing that narrative. If you look at our shirts, it's a four a two zero live. This was the zine by Phil's sample, who said that we're going to change this narrative in this community. We're gonna live we're not going to allow our children to think that gunfire is normal. We talk about sad fathers. I'm one of those people that went downtown and advocated for it because nobody's coming across the eight mile shooting in our community. Nobody's killing us but are but us. And that's unacceptable when my babies don't even hit the floor anymore when they hear gunshot. That's not normal. So this grant allows us to change the mindset in a culture in our community by getting our residents invested and committed and raising the quality of life maybe not for me because I'm old, but we got babies in this community that have to grow up and they should not grow up being in fear for their lives where they laid their heads. That is not acceptable. So this grant will allow us to get our residents to start black loves to organize in our community. Partner with our police department. There are our partners, they're right there every step of the way with us. Bill is our intervention guy. He will go out at three o'clock in the morning if necessary. If there's a shooting in our community, putting his own life on the line because he got babies and he wants them to be St. George, who would we have? We have honor both of them. George has started back up the radio patrol in our community. He has recruited how many people do you have now George? He has 40 residents that are going out and patrolling in our community around our schools. We recently had a peace talk with our young people in their parents because we need to know why they shouldn't each other. So I'm giving you guys this this snapshot of what's going on in the ninth precinct because it's a whole new thing going on over here guys. People are calling my phone 24/7 Tom, I was starting a blog club. And I'm gonna tell you why. This young man said when he was doing his dirt if it was an organized block that had a block club and Miss Jones was looking at him. He went around the corner. So all I block clubs gonna have a miss Joan, because we're not gonna put up with it anymore. These residents that you see in here, they are all committed and invested in their community and we are supporting them with that grant money to make sure that they have the resources on the ground to do the work that's needed so that we can have a higher quality of life over here. That's my presentation. Thank you guys so much. And I do want to say for those of you that are still here, please we have dinner for you guys. In the room next door. Even if you can't sit and eat and grab a plate and go home and have a good meal. And this is paid for by one of our residents in our community. Chef ding so
excellent. Thank you so very much for your presentation. I do want to add it's part of their presentation tonight. FreeSync meets the first Thursday of each month from seven o'clock pm to 8:30pm at the Hillman Recreation Center, located at 19601 Brock Ave, Detroit, Michigan for a two zero live and then we had the Meet January February and March excuse me, january february, march meetings are virtual. So those who have not yet participated, we encourage you to attend Commissioner burden to share
I just want to just say it was it was great. Listen to a member of our community, you know from the community, speak at the podium and you know everyone in his room you know feels her passion about the community in an engagement but also like to add x a question to you is the board attorney is present at today's meeting and parliamentarian are they present today on Zoom? Yeah, they
are on Zoom. All
right. And and I have a question for the board attorney. Have she looked into those requests that the board has made and have she brought anything back before us today? requests
regarding more specifically?
There was there was a question that was raised several weeks ago, or a few couple months ago now from the committee that I chair as this disciplinary appeals committee about some recommendations that was sent to her and we have not heard back and it's been a couple of months. Why not? That's one specific,
again, not to be accused by the citizens of not being responsive to what you're saying but they need a more specific request that you're asking for our board. Secretary is very efficient in responding to those requests. But again, and not knowing exactly what you're talking about. It's difficult for me to say whether or not that information has been provided.
Well it hasn't been provided an email back to myself. And so if the board attorney is here, it'd be nice if she was sitting at the table because she haven't been present and past weeks. And court a request was made by this, you know, by, you know, by myself to the attorney and the committee that I chaired. So this was
a request that was made in committee. Right. When did your committee meet?
We met we met. We met up a little while a while back and the board attorney at the at the time it was some questions that was raised in my committee for her to help with the structure of our committee. And we have not heard back from the board attorney. I
don't have any record of the disciplinary action committee meeting. So again, it's very difficult for me to pinpoint again the information you're asking for but what we'll do is
the fact that Secretary was part of the meeting, Acting
Secretary brown Are you familiar with any disciplinary action committee that was held or this information was asked of the attorney Lubell?
No, sir, I'm not aware of that. Okay, again, so
again, we'll do our due diligence and ensuring that we follow up on that information and make sure we get that that for you. Yes.
Attorney has been on vacation.
Yeah. Last week indeed. But she is present today by zoom. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Which is which is her right. As I was on vacation is Mr. Chair
we didn't hear her name mentioned. When we when we did, the role of the staff as well as the role of the commissioners. And so her name was not mentioned then. And I think that was mentioned her name. So therefore, we don't know if she's in a meeting or not in a meeting. But
again, you asked, and we said yes, she's here. You asked us on Zoom. We said yes, she's here. Acting Secretary Brown has said again that she's here. Okay. We now move on to new business. And we have one important item and so I'm going to do it out of order. So we make sure that this gets done, then that's the personnel and training committee. And I'm gonna ask that Commissioner Carter reads that report because again, the only way we were able to have interviews for board secretary next week, is if we pass the recommendation that's come out of committee, so I'm asking that all commissioners remain until that is done. All right.
Thank you, Mr. Chair. So the the personnel and training Committee met on April the fourth and there is a memo in your packets. And the memorandum reads on behalf of the Board of police commissioners, personnel and training committee, please see the key updates from the committee. The board attend the board attendees were
here one second. Commissioner Burton. I'm asking Will you please remain for another five minutes so that the board can hire a board secretary we need to interview a board secretary next week. Commissioner Burton and your presence here is necessary for our quorum. I just want the citizens of this city to see the commissioner walk out on his duty for us to be able to hold interviews next week or board secretary. Again, I just want to remind you that that happened and so we don't have a quorum. With no quorum we cannot move forward with any action of business when a person grandstands about their passion around the work of this committee, actions speak louder than words I just think that it's important that that be noted at the moment when business needed to be handled so that a board secretary could be interviewed as Commissioner walked out of the room without any regard to the chairs request. So with that, because we have no quorum. This meeting is adjourned.