The body Council body president pro tem. So my name is Tanisha Sanders. I am in district one, I am against the ShotSpotter only because we don't have houses that we don't have nowhere for people to go. And so I know this needs to be allocated somewhere but didn't need to be somewhere else other than going into this technology. I just don't see enough data. I don't see enough enforcement or I don't see really yeah, we've seen a couple of commercials or a couple of little slots in the news saying what they're doing, but I just lost the cousin Friday. She got shot nine times, you know, because she didn't give a guy hit her number. That's what they're saying. So like, you know, that couldn't stop her stops SplashData couldn't stop her. I'm going to her friend on Saturday. She's 18 years old, you know, so just give me something make it make sense to me. And I'll see if I'm bored. But as of right now I am against it because I lose too many family members and if you're gonna be there on time, how you gonna be there on time. Okay, thank you.
Good morning on Albany City Council. It's a beautiful thing to be able to see in front of you all today resident district to graduate from high school. I've been on the other side of this thing before. I haven't always been in a position I'm here. Thank God I've been able to turn my life around. A few weeks ago, as you all know, we lost a few people due to a senseless killing. I literally stay right around the corner from that. I usually get up or jog about four o'clock in the morning. I could have been me as one of the people that got killed out there. This is opportunity for us to do something. I'm probably one of the most radical people that's involved in politics. So this is a tough thing for me. But I do support ShotSpotter because we need to figure out how to do something to stop all these violent crimes. That we have going on. I get that we could spend money other places. But if we were going to do that, we'd have been doing it by now. So those are just my comments, and I hope that whatever decision you all make is a good one. And if it is turned down, please have a plan to move something forward behind that. Thank you.
Thank you. All right, really quick to the media services. Are we okay with our sound being broadcasted? When the TV on the television I was informed that we may have some issues with our meeting being broadcast?
No, you cannot hear it out in the hall. I'm sorry.
we could Are we good to go? We are okay. All right. Thank you. Our next public comment Mr. Eight off
Good morning Council members this Mrs. Ate off I'm sorry, Mrs. No. problem, no problem. Thank you for the opportunity to share my comments. I am a part of the Robindale community. I am not a black club president. I am a black club advocate. And I am here in support. The spot shatters and it specifically. It is a preventative tool from my standpoint of view. Having been here for over 43 years on one block of Maidan between Pipedrive and Dickerson. I have seen the degradation that has gone on and it's a very sad situation. Which we're all aware of. However, I feel that had the ShotSpotter been available and my neighborhood. During the first quarter of this year, we lost a young woman who had who had been shot and then her body was burned and a building right across the street from me recently in the last quarter. There's been shots that have been fired often. And we all are aware of it because we're Detroit. Okay. And so thank you so much for your time. I appreciate it.
Thank you so much. Sondra Turner handy.
Oh, good morning, honorable body. I'm Sandra Turner handy. I'm the lead on the Denby neighborhood Alliance and I'm also the president of the ninth precinct Community Relations Council. We have ShotSpotter in our community since it is deemed as the most violent community in our city. SAC spotters have been able to take guns off of the streets in our community. And I just have to really say that the fact that gunfire has become a normal not just in nine but across the city is unheard of. In any we need to to work on the root problems, but in the meantime, we're losing lives and every life that we lose is worth more than seven $8 million. At least my life is I know it's worth more than $7 million. And we have technology that will get these guns off the street we need to use it and please understand that I am so in support of this. And you have to remember that $8 million is not the cost of a life.
yes, my name is Anthony Smith. I'm president of making it black club. And I've been a resident of District Four for about five years. I'm from the west side. But I'm I'm supporting ShotSpotter because it it seems the way to stop those who are repeating do it most of the people that are doing it are doing it again and again. They're not getting taught. So I think the south part if they could recognize where the shots been finding get there soon enough, and they can probably arrest the people doing it, but they won't do it again. I'd have to say I'm in support of it. I don't know a whole lot about it. But it's a way to do something to try to stop the continue of gunfire that we hear in our community every night.
Thank you. Thank you Mr. Smith. Mr. Withers
name is Joshua weathers I'm Vice President of meeting United black club and I'm I'm in 100% supportive ShotSpotter. One of the the elements I think it'll combat is the there's a certain amount of people that when they see crime or hear crimes, whether it's due to culture or fear, they won't call the police. You know, in my neighborhood I know it was a majority of people would not call the police growing up, you know, it was just something that was kind of taught in and still so I mean, I don't know whether that'll be come corrected in my generation. But I think ShotSpotter will help that a lot. You know, if even if no one calls you in at least the police will be notified.
Right. Thank you so much. Mr. Smith, James Smith.
Yes, I'd like to speak in support of the ShotSpotter from a personal instance, recently there was a young girl killed in my neighborhood and abandoned house. I had noticed in the weeks prior these young boys outside with AK 40 sevens walking around like they own the neighborhood. They go into the backyard I'm sitting teaching my daughter how to barbecue and play horseshoes and do something productive and all of a sudden shots shots going off and this was a week or two before that girl got killed in that house. All the police checks was led to southwest Detroit to the Baltimore area. I believe the boys are in custody now. But it's if some if it would have been some way to tell that those shots were going off in some way because like you said before, is a thing where you don't even want to call the police is scary. You don't want to be labeled like that, because then they can target you. But if there's some kind of technology that we can use to get these types of guns off the street and save lives of these young children, I believe is nothing we can do but get the ShotSpotter necessary. Need to save lives, especially these children out here. Save a lot of these young boys is going to jail for absolutely nothing.
Thank you Mr. Jones, born and raised in Detroit, live in District Six while I'm here representing District Six, I think the ShotSpotter is something that should be available to every Detroiter, by assurance, such progress already in the areas that it's in. It's only fair and right that it's available for all of us. You know, it seems like it's a higher priority or something or maybe our representatives don't really care about certain areas, but we're all Detroiters. We should all get the same fairness and, you know, show that all of our lives matter and try to do anything possible to prevent these unnecessary deaths and injuries.
Thank you, Dan. Squire.
Hi, I'm with the Michigan roundtable for diversity and inclusion. I'm here to ask that the city council vote for no on the ShotSpotter today. We've been listening to a lot of the research and seeing the stories coming out of communities that
was a little bit louder.
My name is doesn't what the Michigan roundtable for diversity inclusion. I'm here to ask City Council vote no on ShotSpotter. We're here at the request of many of our community partners who have been doing the research and collecting the stories around the impact of ShotSpotter and while it has had some marginal I'm sorry
to cut you off. Can we please start the clock please? Okay, sorry about that. You get the third time
Oh yeah, my name is doesn't matter. I'm just gonna roundtable for diversity inclusion. I'm asking city council to vote no on ShotSpotter. We're here at the request of community partners who are have been doing the research and collecting the stories of the impact of ShotSpotter. We know that research is showing that ShotSpotter does not actually have evidential based success not and while it does have some marginal success and collecting some guns it is not worth the cost of investment to continue proceeding with this process. You are looking at a service that is continuing to wage war and its community rather than partnering with the community and undoing this historic harm that the city of Detroit Police Department has had. There is evidence that shows and supports that community based partnerships and initiatives that work on preventing gun violence actually is more effective than using the technology that is a reactive service. Thank you.
Last name Mr. Clark. Great to hear
okay. Thank you so much City Council. I just want to thank you for pursuing me time, you might wanna start the timer. So I'm here to ask that you vote no on ShotSpotter.
I want to start off by saying I'm a resident of District Four East one and autobahn and my heart goes out to the many families and elders who have lost folk lost loved ones growing up in Detroit, it becomes normal for you. I remember seeing the first gun that I ever saw in fourth grade when a friend Greg brought it to merit near it was the school I went to at the time. He showed it to us in the locker and we looked at it. He ended up being expelled because another student took it out and put it to another kid's back. Right. And he spent time in prison very recently in our 20s While I was in college. So I take offense when people say that I haven't experienced these things personally because yes, I haven't experienced being shot or being shot at but what I can say is that the reason that my life has gone different from Gregory is not because he's a monster like DPD said at their event last week, not because he he's some sick person, it's because he didn't have the resources that I had. I want to caution you on voting on reactive policy. Also, I'm sorry, but can you please see some of the elders Well, they've been waiting one
day is disabled or handicap that is joining us today should have a opportunity to sit. For my understanding there is room for people to sit in the auditorium while the BCA is conducting their hearings. So if anyone is disabled, just raise your hand if you're in the wheelchair and my staff will walk someone those individuals down to the auditorium where they can sit.
folks outside can't hear. They can't hear what's said here so
excuse me one second please. I understand that they can't hear in the hallway because those TVs unfortunately do not have value we already tried with media services it does not work and the BCA is conducting hearings in the auditorium. So unfortunately, we cannot broadcast anything and barriers will. And so again, if anyone is disabled, or is in a wheelchair, we do want to make sure that we accommodate you so please raise your hand and my team will make sure that they do have have seats. Unfortunately, we're still going through some delays. We're trying to make sure counsel was able to hold meetings in the auditorium and so unfortunately, we are not able to meet there at this time and the BCA is conducting their hearings at this moment as well. Alright, so thank you for your public comment and we'll now move to Mr. Gallegos.
Rose resident of District Six born and raised in southwest Detroit, I'm live there all my life and like them, I understand the gun violence. I have a bullet in our house, but it seems like this is just gonna be sending cops spreading them thin as it is, and then sending them already like ready to shoot because they heard there's a gunshot right over here who were looking for. They don't know. And I feel like that's just more dangerous for all of our residents. And I implore you to please vote no. Thank you. Thank you,
Hello, my name is Ivana Beretta. I'm
a resident of District Six. I've lived here since I was two years old. I understand that gun violence is a real issue in our family. My house has also been shot at there's holes in the walls of my house and my parents house as well. My house has been robbed six to seven times growing up. I want real safety and solutions for my community. But I'm also undocumented, and for me the violence I feared the most growing up was directly from law enforcement. Sending technology that would send police into my community does not make me feel safe. And the mayor is lying to residents saying that ShotSpotter will save lives. There's no data to support that. That's what ShotSpotter does. But what we know about ShotSpotter is that Biden met with the mayor and is promoting ShotSpotter across the country because ShotSpotter executives and shareholders have donated hundreds and 1000s of dollars to Biden's campaign and they're not motivated by wanting to keep us safe. They're motivated by profit ShotSpotter pockets 40% of our contracts directly to profit. Do do we want our public safety agenda to come from big leaders or from Detroiters?
Demetrius nickelsville Omna li organized, respiration the Good Sam campaign when Miss B liberation and I'm gonna get shot spotter for various reasons, but one is that eight is the same argument that they use for the green light, the same argument and we gave them all that money in the green light and convicted so many people illegally and people have the green light have simply tap people set the prisoner with the wrong person. So what do we think this gonna do? Because they're so indoctrinated. That is system that we're gonna give more leverage to the police department to convict innocent people. I served 28 years in prison for corrupted Detroit homicide section officer. I know how it is, and that we want to give them more power. Why don't they just do the damn job right now? If they do the job right now, it wouldn't be no need for all these other devices that we want to and true minority neighborhoods with.
Thank you so much, sir. Thank you. Thank you. Gabrielle Dresner.
Good morning. Thank you for taking the time to hear my comments this morning. My name is Gabrielle Dresner. I'm with the ACLU of Michigan. The ACLU has long spoken out against the use of surveillance technology. Under the guise of protection regarding ShotSpotter we have several main concerns. First, ShotSpotter has a close relationship with law enforcement and has edited classifications of sounds after the fact at the request of police departments. Even given this knowledge ShotSpotter has been used as evidence against defendants in criminal cases. In a 2016 trial, a ShotSpotter expert admitted to reclassifying sound from a helicopter to a bullet at the request of the police department customer saying that such changes occur all the time. Second ShotSpotter is methodology has not been independently evaluated or peer reviewed, which leads me to my third concern the effectiveness of ShotSpotter technology. Several cities have stopped using ShotSpotter after demanding or determining excuse me that it wasn't as effective as they had hoped. At accurately identifying gunshots for the reasons mentioned, the ACLU of Michigan urges you to vote no on this proposal. Thank you
Thank you, Ray miss.
Good morning, council members. My name is Ramas wood dude. I'm a district five resident and an attorney at the ACLU of Michigan. Just to follow up on what my colleague said. The ACLU believes that the city council invests far too many resources in ineffective policing programs and far too little in actual community oriented public safety models. So I would just ask this council to consider instead of starting with the premise that we want to ShotSpotter expansion, how much money does it cost? instead? Go back to the drawing board and ask yourselves, we have seven $8 million how do we best one to spend that to make the lives of Detroit residents better and more healthy? I would be surprised if any of you in the room today would rank ShotSpotter over better housing, better public transit, better education, school supplies for kids grants for small businesses. And so I would join my colleague Gabrielle and asking you to oppose the expansion of ShotSpotter and invest in actual public safety models that help the community instead of hurting.
Right Thank you Abdo.
Thank you council members for your time My name is Abdul Rahman and I'm the managing director of research and data for Campaign Zero. Our team has been working on to understand research around ShotSpotter and its effectiveness as highlighted and summarized by research brief released by the Ford School earlier this month. ShotSpotter is ineffective and has not been found to reduce crime ShotSpotter and DPD released a misleading visual suggesting that ShotSpotter is responsible for the drop in violent crime the ninth precinct by comparing it to the entirety of the city including both high crime and low crime precincts. I did the same descriptive analysis however, using DPD Record Management System data, it revealed that two neighboring precincts the 10th and 12 non shots shot at non ShotSpotter screenings also experienced a similar and in many cases larger drop in violent crime. In other words, there was a drop in violent crime regardless of whether the precincts had ShotSpotter or not. It is clear that ShotSpotter only benefits one group and that's it shareholders American rescue plan funds and other funds allocated for public safety should be prioritized to invest in civic goods and public safety solutions that actually have a proven evidence base in reducing crime and improving public safety. Thank you, councillor. Thank you.
Yes, thank you to the speaker who just spoke. If you have that analysis of the neighboring precincts that you can send over to a council that will be held because we've gotten a number of communication from your organization, but I haven't seen Yes,
that was emailed out last night. Last night. Okay. I talked to a number of city council members. We'll be happy to circulate it again. Thank you. Thank you, Councilmember.
Thank you, and we weren't able to locate a speaker so we will have a speaker in the hallway momentarily. It is out there now. So those who are waiting to come in, we'll be able to hear the council session. DeRay Deray DeRay Mckesson, I lead Campaign Zero I'll just follow up on kind of hard to hear you and I want to speak up a little bit. Louder. Member Yonka
DeRay Mckesson, I lead Campaign Zero just to follow up on Abdul's point about the data. Remember that the ShotSpotter data was secret data that we could not actually recreate, we use the open portal data that is the public data that the police department puts out, but I'll note that there's a difference between what ShotSpotter says and what is actually true in their legal documents. So that's about a publicly says that they will help solve crime and decrease gun violence. The Detroit contract with ShotSpotter reads the contractor does not represent a representative will not result in a prevention of crime, apprehension or conviction of any perpetrator of crime. ShotSpotter very transparently says that they will not actually solve crime they will not find people who commit crimes. ShotSpotter says that you don't have to believe us you should actually just believe ShotSpotter on this limb. The other one is that they publicly make claims about accuracy. They say that the technology is 97% accurate. It has not been independently validated by any source and in their legal documents to this city. into the into the legal documents in this city. They've actually made no claims about accuracy. The last thing I'll say is that Patrick sharpies research says that for every 10
decrease. Thank you. Thank you so much. For right here.
Good morning. My name is Forrest, please I was getting to it. Thank you. Good morning. My name is Nancy Parker. I'm managing attorney of Detroit Justice Center, resident of the west side. I was here last week telling you guys about all the legal reasons why you should vote no on this. You will see 1983 cases you will see probable cause issues with these police stops. Folks have talked to about how stop and frisk will increase folks are already coming in height and they're going to be even more so my little children everyone is is on guard. But you guys have heard the statue you know it's ineffective. You've seen the paperwork. You do not need us to parrot it and also do not believe people have to sit up here and report out the trauma that they have lived for you guys to take us seriously. I'm now just appealing to the moral compass of this board. You are elected by the people to serve the people do not put greed and money over our lives. Everyone here saying the same thing. We want a solution and an action plan for the violence that we are experiencing ShotSpotter is not it. Why don't you invest in the people? Please vote no. Do the right thing here.
Thank you so much. Rogers. Rogers greetings Council. My name is Shiva Rogers and I come before you representing the blank slate. While many of you know the blank slate is the only organization that supported Mayor Coleman Young in his first bid for Mayor our roots go back to the 1950s given our history and what we know to be true about the previous attempts to keep our community safe. Those attempts have failed us. We asked you to vote no, we do not support ShotSpotter and here's why. Since 911 2001, the city of Detroit has used general fund dollars, capital dollars and federal dollars to invest in the latest and greatest technology, weaponry and equipment. You invested our money and technology to build a calm step program to help police see where crime waves were happening to stop it in his tracks. Yet today we are still wrestling with the rise in violent crime. You created the Homeland Security Department and outfitted it with the best in his class state of the art technology. Yet today we still wrestle with the rise in violent crime. You invested in military grade weaponry, we even bought a tank to fight off the bad guys and yet we are still wrestling 20 years later. To stop violent crime. Thank you, Jacqueline.
Good morning. My name is Jacqueline Cuevas. I am a resident a longtime resident of District Six southwest Detroit. I come as a business owner I do not have statistics and research I come as a business owner of a liquor store where I see pretty violent things or I can say pretty random things. We we've had Project Greenlight for a little under a year and we've seen the difference is made in our community. We are across the street from a church and a nonprofit organization and community is very important to me. I do believe that this technology from what I have research will help us prevent as similar to the green light where people think twice before before they do something. So I'm here in support of the technology hoping that it can better our community. Thank you. Thank you.
Yes. Hello, my name is Teresa. I'm a student at Wayne State. I'm here today because I have several concerns about ShotSpotter. No, it seems from what I've seen that there are several steps in the process where the information flow seems to break down. And I think that's just an important consideration. In light of the whole looking at the statistics that ShotSpotter itself puts out versus you know, Independent reports that call that into question. The only other thing I would like to say is, it seems to me like ShotSpotter is just the newest iteration and a long line of the people of Detroit, this community being taken advantage of and being put down. And I think it's really important to consider who we're serving and what interests we care about. You know, looking at housing, education, things that will build people up rather than tear them down. I think those are the things that you know, we we can all focus on more and you know, make Detroit better for its citizens and not for the people who you know might have a financial interest Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Shelton.
The mornings, leave Shelton. I'm against ShotSpotter because we don't need ShotSpotter we need poverty spotter opportunity spotter. We need more of those types of spotters. The City of Detroit is just drowning in poverty. The most accurate statistic statistics show that Detroit is at least 50% below the poverty level. We've had quite a lot of funds coming to the city of Detroit the COVID care plans came here. The ARPA funds over $800 million is still here in ARPA funds and only about $30 million have been spent and most of that $30 million have been spent on contractual services and soft costs. Where is the money to alleviate and to deal with the poverty crime is poverty driven. You will not surveillance your way out of crime. It just won't happen. All you're doing is giving money away to outside corporate entities. And you are neglecting the people the people don't want ShotSpotter that's the bottom line. Right. Thank you both for Pete. Thank you. Good. Morning.
Good Morning councils. My name is Sabrina Levine I represent district seven the Robert aviation area and predominantly there are 99.5 elderly people where I reside and we are for the spot shot we will for whatever that will enhance our protection in the community. The elderly people there have been there since the 60s And I think that they deserve to have a better quality of life, which includes far more protection. So we are in agreement for and thank you for hearing me. Thank you.
Yes, good morning. constar. I'm here to support in the police. The police working for us. They will come for the public pretty open for the city of Detroit for the citizen who come here to support this shot spirit. Because it's helping the people, not against the people. If I buy a gun I'm not buying a gun to shoot the police when I buy you know I buy to keep it for myself.
protect myself, my family. But now God said outside the shooting people, whatever you want to do that
he should be locked up. You can just let the people everybody have a gun like a police officer when they need knowledge if it's that way. So we need you to to vote for this to protecting the people the city of Detroit in the city. More safety. Thank you. All right, thank you, sir. Jennifer Williams Good afternoon Council. It is my pleasure to be here with you. I am the grandmother of Pierre Williams. Pierre Williams was shot 11 year old took an AK assault rifle give it to this 15 year old robber. He shot my 3.5 CASS tech academic scholarships to college for basketball, football and the skills that he had. Pierre was a king because I was a claim that raised Him to be that we live in District Six.
I am at the beginning of the new phase of the Joe Louis Reed Greenway, which will start the second phase. I have bought a rental properties
there. I've stayed in my neighborhood I'm 65 years
old. I've only lived in two houses in Detroit. I'm a writer die I'm also the Vice President of citizens per trial. I say that I would like to agree with shots fired spotter because why Pierre was shot three times once from afar on a camera two times in the back of his head with an AK there were 20 bullets that was fired. I say to you that at this point in time, we have 27 members of the standard family that's in the penal system. They have had all kinds of appeals. I got to put those on my desk right now. My daughter's tried to kill herself twice. My daughter My granddaughter has tried to kill herself twice. I believe that shot spider would go to Joe Lutz Greenway. It was helped me not only that's your time this was I do apologize to have to cut you off. I appreciate the time to speak. God bless you all he was well Miss Williams. Thank you Nasser. So good morning. I'm living in Detroit area and we have nighttime all time we hear shootings in the area. A lot of you know
shootings a lot of problem in
any way. Do you see any protect us from any
things? That is nothing is happening
please places then come in around that area. Even a date team will never see him. He didn't drive that in that
area. Lara problem we have people parking in the grass area and the
front of the houses. You know the MC Everything is messed up. So we're places we try to help work with the police and the police that look like then help us. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Miss Jenkins. Good morning, Council. I am a supporter of ShotSpotter. And the reason why I am is because I have noticed that it has been a deterrent in my neighborhood. I've been in my house for 48 years, and I have noticed a drastic change in the community. And I realized what the problems are and I also realized that we have a lot of mental issues which need to be addressed. But I do feel that ShotSpotter will be a deterrent and they'll be able to be able to track where the bullets are actually coming from and then they can also apprehend the individual that's responsible. But I do think that we need to be using some of our money is toward our mental issues in our community.
And I don't mean just young people. We got a lot of older people that have mental issues. So I'm just a supporter of the
new phase of the spot shatter. I already have it in my community and I have noticed that it has been a deterrent. Thank you. Miss Jones. Thank you, Council, President Mary Sheffield and the city council members and Secretary of the Hayden street block club. I've been living on my street for 26 years I've lived East Side west side and I'm currently on the west side. And I'd have I'm 71 years old I was born in 1951. I have not seen an improvement in the neighborhoods all of my life. They've just been continuously deteriorating. And we have elected city council members to take care of that issue. The money going towards the ShotSpotter to me, are the police gonna get there any faster gonna get there now? I don't think so. I think we need more money put into neighborhoods, more police recruited. And neighborhoods are so bad because we don't have any inspectors.
If he was in Southfield or Royal Oak or someplace you
would get tickets. You say you
don't want to get tickets. That's because you don't care how the city looks.
So the city council We elected you to do something for this city.
You know, I don't see any improvement.
I see recreation centers.
I think backpacks being given out.
rows for bicycles to ride up and down on, but I don't see a plan for the neighborhoods.
What plans do you have for the
What city what plans do you have and I'm sick and tired of this sewage bill.
My water bill is actually
But some type of charge for that
but actually 860 some dollars for sewage.
We should not have to do that.
What happened with the President's infrastructure bill? I suppose it's all of the pipes. Don't put it on the citizens, Miss Jones. I've never had to do that. All right. I'll put it on that. Thank you. We
appreciate you. Miss Jones, thank
you so much for your public comments.
I need to take care of that. steady job, Miss Vanessa. Hi, everyone. Um,
I've been listening to as many comments as I can when we got the
speaker out there in the hallway and the biggest thing that I'm hearing is that we're asking you to invest in us in ways that we've asked plenty of times in other sessions and people have asked for funding and housing people have asked for funding and transportation. People have asked for those solutions that would actually deter crime from being happening. And my 22 years of living in Detroit, I have seen a lot of band aids, I've seen a lot of like, gotta catch them all type of solving. And what we're asking for is prevention measures, not reactionary measures. So I urge you all to do what the community has been begging for and it's actually invest in the individuals not the crime that you think may happen or what you think is going to happen or hypothesize in a community, find what actually needs to change the housing, access to actual reliable transportation and being able to move around the city and thrive in the neighborhood that you love and want to see grow. But I don't see that I see fences being put up around parks or big old boulders. I don't see people actually being encouraged to be in community but challenge your access to it. Thank you. Thank you, Ty che Good
morning, everyone. And once you've gotten on first, she can speak a little bit louder for us. It's hard to hear you. You're good morning everyone on mute and gotta get God on not too into the garbage can't really hear you. I don't know if you want to just pull the microphone little bit closer to your to your face. Yes. I'm not really known about the gun. Carrying this going on, but I know a lot of good food in my neighborhood. I live on Hayden court. I've been there 45 years. And it used to be a beautiful neighborhood, a beautiful neighborhood. I remember. I can walk through my neighborhood I can drive to it. And it's just going down. I mean what people move in, they don't even care. And we've got people that own your concert seats here that we do vote for. And I can remember my neighborhood was very beautiful. It is just a mess. People walk down their trash throat as trees right now from what a what a stone. Stone. We just had not to wind it up from the tree. They don't even come and pick up no they don't even come in
clean but we get more bills. We get more I'm saying headaches is stressful.
Type tend to marry now I'm
with what's going on in my neighborhood. I'm going to Lake House an excellent
thank you so much. Yes, it goes pretty. Well. Thank you for your public comment. We appreciate you. Pastor mo Good morning, Madam President, Vice President Pro Tem and council body. God bless you all this morning. I know this council does his homework. I know you. I've worked with many of you in the streets closely. So I know you care about the city. That's not a question. The issue they may face today is to technology that directly addresses gun violence versus reforming systemic problems. And the truth is we didn't need both that's the truth. And don't me a school or rec center and with me and I also do a cargo kitchen to actual school where once gunshots rang out all education that stopped with me in the session now the gunshot rains out the session will be stopped. Safety comes first we just city have a real problem with random and pulse of gun battles which
is impossible to police when it's random. This technology would address random and
so we need that because it's it's important that lives be safe for you. So I'm going to concentrate on my bed. Now check you guys. God bless. Thank you so much. halus Salas. This morning, I was born and raised in Detroit. I've lived here all my life and I love this city. I'm concerned about the increase in crime over the last several years. And personally I see the Shot Spotter program as a detriment to cry for that reason I am in support of it. Right, thank you l bar. So good morning, everyone. My name is John ball. I'm from district seven. And as Jackie Miss Hollis said, I've also been in Detroit for since the
early 70s. And I do see crime elevating so I am for ShotSpotter is because we're losing our police officers daily and this would be
something that would help the police officers so I do approve shot spotters. Thank you. Right Thank you. Miss Lusk. Good morning. My name is Sophia Lusk and I'm a resident of district five.
I urge you to vote no on ShotSpotter today. Gun violence is a real problem. But ShotSpotter is not the answer. ShotSpotter is reactive measures won't keep our community safer. ShotSpotter by its very nature is not proactive. We need to invest in other programs that help the people of Detroit and actually keep us safer. Transportation, affordable housing, health care. These are all areas we could be spending these American rescue Act dollars to help better our silly city and help our residents ShotSpotter is not an infallible or impartial measure and it could increase racial and class disparities. All the while not increasing safety. I urge you to look at other cities that have denied ShotSpotter and more so such that cities that have ShotSpotter and has shown it is not effective. I want our community to heal. I want to prevent gun violence but ShotSpotter is not the answer. Lastly, I urge you to listen to the data that was circulated to you last night as it speaks for itself. For these reasons and many, many more. I asked my city council member Mary Sheffield and all the city council members to vote no on ShotSpotter today. Thank you so much. Ali. Golly, yeah. Good morning. My name is Lee. I'm a resident of district five and I'm here to ask you to vote against ShotSpotter and invest this money instead in the people of Detroit.
safety can be achieved through installing microphones is to misunderstand
the source of violence. Violence
does not happen because there's no surveillance or punishment. Violence is not
random. violence happens because people are hungry, isolated because they do not feel valued seen as human beings. Resulting violence then requires any fines available at hand to be directed towards the acute needs towards repairing homes, building green spaces, creating community health centers, ensuring each child gets education funding public transportation. Violence will end when people can trust each other can feed their children feel support in their communities can see a future for themselves. It is not the cameras but it is US Fed, nourished, cared for in community who keeps us safe. This is why I'm asking you to commit to the city commit to the black and brown people of Detroit and say no to wasting money on a spotter. Thank you. Thank you
reading have a way to get ready in the morning, Mr. Overweight Do you have a minute for public comment? Okay, we just heard what the gentleman said. And I'm in agreeance with some parts of it. Majority of it except
but no Short Shots fine. Because I jumped off the porch in the city of Detroit when I was 13 years old. And I
know more so than anybody in his role. Anybody in his whole building that whenever gunshots get fired and the police got to roll out here to see where the gunshot came from. They need to know where it's coming from. And that's not just for the police. As far as citizens to ShotSpotter is the hot topic of the day but today I came about 13 firefighters to New Bern and Billy Ingram. I'm gonna make him the most famous crackhead and doping in the city of Detroit because he tried to sell that stuff next door to my mom that didn't call the police on me. I've been arrested about seven times in the last 18 months based on a lot I mean sometimes I need you to stop. I need a little Tracy to backup off me today. Thank you and Miss Ruby. I came here to speak on spot shadows I was at I didn't make it to my nan meeting which m&m
memory we had the deputy chief
there. We had the deputy
mayor, their Deputy Chief of Police.
So I listened to it on my phone on Facebook because I didn't get chance
to make it but anyway. What I didn't approve for the spy shadows. If any one of us was walking down the street after it was been a shot somewhere with spy shouted and they don't know who we are. They said we look suspicious if we look back to the sad day gonna stop us that's not right. So spy shadows is not really on point. So since it's not on point, I wouldn't agree with having spy shadows. Because it would take and it would have them looking at us like we like we need the shooting. You know so we might not even know the shooting happened on that street or that particular area correct. So we don't know the shooting and then we get out our car and we walk down the street and then we'd look them back or whatever. Well we might chat and start jogging just to be jogging, then they're gonna look at us as a personal
interest. Thank you Miss Riley.
All right, we're gonna now turn to our virtual public comments.
And if you could just remind us how many callers we have joining us today for public comment.
Good morning, Madam President. We have 64 callers who raised their
hand before you cut off public comment. And the
first caller is
Elvin Stokes. Good morning honorable board. This is Alvin Stokes. I am the president of citywide citizens police community relations. And I'm calling in favor of ShotSpotter. One reason is because our officers need help. You know we until we can find a way to keep our officers in the city and working for us. We pay them to go through training but right after training, they go somewhere else. We need comparable pay for our officers and they need all the help that they can get. If you're not part of the solution. You're part of the problem. Get involved in your community, your community organization to precincts organizations. The quality of life issues that are going on in the city of Detroit is the reason for most of our crimes. We have kids out here today that had no clue what conflict resolution is other than firing a gun. Enough is enough. There are so many guns in the street now that we can't turn left or right. Our officers need help. And ShotSpotter is one way that we can help our officers,
y'all were elected to
talk about us. Now the thing is, is
y'all need to find out how the citizens want to to vote, not how you want to vote. And from what I'm hearing most of us
is in favor of ShotSpotter Thank you and have a great day.
Thank you all right, next caller please. next caller is Katie Moreno Good morning. Hello. I'm calling from Pingree Park. I'm the director and vessel for the burns Seneca Fisher Jr. Block club. This is a children organization nonprofit we have 56 children over here that meet and discuss things that matter to them. We have talked ShotSpotter we want it our junior block club our children. Our kids over here have unfortunately been touched twice by gun violence, two funerals in the last three months. Both children funerals, approve shots, but ShotSpotter children are highly vulnerable. They have little or no power to protect or provide for themselves and little influence on so much that is vital to their well being. Children need others to speak up for them
and they need decision makers who put their well being ahead of
selfish adult interest.
I haven't heard any children or minors speak to Council today. Our kids are saying it's more accurate than
us calling isn't it? Let's listen to our children. Let's approve it please.
next caller please. next caller is Paul Jones The third. Good morning everyone. My name is Paul Jones The
third I'm a 25 year old
year old lifelong Detroiter and I'm a resident of district
five here imploring the city council to vote no on the ShotSpotter expansion. This is reactionary policy that has not been proven to address the issue of gun violence here in Detroit and it will only help add to the profits of a tech company and justify the terror that DPD is able to inflict on our neighborhoods
ShotSpotter will not prevent deaths DPD and ShotSpotter.
have not proven this technology to be effective. Instead, they've taken to the exploitation
our pain for a tech contract. None of the horrible things we've heard today would have been prevented by this technology. We should all be disgusted by the display DPD has put on printing our children's names on a cheap headstones as a visual aid and misleading elders on how this technology works. Chicago has a $33 million deal with ShotSpotter and it doesn't work. Our communities are hurting it DPD is trying to sell us surveillance as safety. We need to stop the Detroit police's waste of our public resources. Thank you Thank you. Our next caller please. next caller is Yvonne Jones. ShotSpotter that this in policing and invest in people. Our current police budget is over $340 million dollars of our general funds plus grant funds
are still not saying
stop pitting us against each other
shame on the mayor's office and the police department of
using people's pain to push this agenda.
It is time for a change in how we look at making the public safe. Everyone on this call and before has talked about making a safe in one way or the other and we need to come together to come up with real solutions to make Detroit a safer ShotSpotter is not the solution. Thank you and next caller please. The next caller is Karen hammer Samara, you may proceed. Good morning. The question here is does stop ShotSpotter reduce crime. The data doesn't offer any proof and people who who lay their hearts out about the crimes that they've committed, seen committed or have been affected by
We got to stop crime, but
the shot has already been fired. The crime has already been committed. To help prevent
crime. We need to lift up the community and have solutions to extending the COVID relief that Arca was intended for better transit. more and better income Inclusive Housing after school programs and libraries open.
What we need is to have
the people invested in and
thank you so much. Our next caller please. next caller is phone number ending in 299.
Yes, good morning.
My name is Joyce Moore with the Virginia Park
community coalition within the boundaries
of the Virginia Park community. I have asked repeatedly
what are the original boundaries of the Virginia Park community in terms of what the
five year plan will be and I have not gotten that response from any council member. And all of you have my email address, I think on Google but yet it is not clear what those boundaries are. Secondly, we as residents and citizens of the city choice we need at large back, we need to make it a valid issue. And the second valid issue should also be test which is whether or not we want to test on our properties or not. The streetscape and the Virginia Park community, as it stands right now is questionable. Why should we have a seascape and pay $9 million for one or two years in 2024 will be have careless cars and choosing driverless cars. So we need to go back and have an audit asset repeatedly on our monies and how it's being spent by this governor I mean by this
by this mayor
thank you so much. Just want to advise everyone who's calling in to keep your eye on the clock.
Everyone will get one minute in total. next caller please.
The next caller is and I apologize. if I mispronounce this
tiddy on some Collin, you may unmute yourself and began.
Yeah, good morning.
I'm Tegan Sam. Yeah,
I want to business here on seven mile gratia area. Yeah, I do support the shots. Thank you. Thank you.
Our next caller please.
The next caller is Kia
Mathis. Can I be heard you can hear you? Yes, ma'am. All right. Thank you. I'm the housing and family engagement organizer at Detroit people's platform. We are a member of the Housing Trust Fund coalition. We've always engaged Council around the need for truly affordable housing in this city. Many of the issues we have such as evictions, blight, job loss and truancy. Has origins in securing housing that is affordable. Late summer we collect a 600 petition signatures and supportive adding funding into the housing trust fund. The current developments have been mostly for people who are at 80% Ami, but the Housing Trust Fund is used for households who are at 50 and 30% of the AMI. Over the past 33 months you have heard homeless women inform you about the issues they're facing as temporary relief run out, but the Housing Trust Fund is used to prevent homelessness. Funding. The Housing Trust Fund is a way for all of you to provide at least a 30 year housing security and stability for Detroit residents. Thank you.
Thank you. Next caller please.
The next caller is tuwana
Petty. Thank you. Detroit city government has invested in an ordinate amount of money
into dystopian surveillance technologies were overrun with surveillance cameras, surveillance drones, surveillance helicopters, facial recognition, surveillance trap traffic cameras, cell phone tracking, and ShotSpotter. But as you heard from residents today, they do not feel any safer than they felt 10s of millions of dollars ago, Detroiters are already living in a panopticon where we are constantly watched but rarely seen as full human beings. Enough is enough. Detroit city government has an opportunity to create a roadmap for the world on how to leverage American rescue plan funds to improve the quality of life of its residents. Please stop playing on the fears of Detroiters, mainly our elders and victims of crime. A vote to expand ShotSpotter is a slap in the face of justice and to the residents of Detroit who deserve to be safe and not tricked into further surveillance
vote no on ShotSpotter Thank you. Thank you.
Next caller please. The next caller is Broderick Wilkes Roger Wilkes You may proceed. Hello. You may proceed. Apologies. Can you all hear me? Yes, sir. All right.
My name is Roger Wilkes, the president of the Crossroads community association we span from a mile to six mile over to the calendar. I'm also a resident of district three. I am calling in to support the ShotSpotter initiative. I think this added layer of security is beneficial to the residents. So as the emergency units for obvious reasons that are a result of faster response times as well as potentially saving lives. So I urge city council to vote and support this ShotSpotter Thank you. Thank you. Next caller please. The next caller is Annie mobian Hi, my name is Annie Bowlby and I'm a resident of East English Village and I'm calling today to urge you to vote no on ShotSpotter. It is heartbreaking to hear the pain of Detroit errs who are desperate for safety and for solutions in
our communities. However, $8 million is too much money to spend on something with absolutely
conclusive evidence that it provides
either safety or solutions for Detroit errs. We need to invest in preventative
community based solutions, like many others have said
when ShotSpotter detects
a shot DPD arrives on average. 26 minutes later the shot has already been fired. It does do people stand in the same place for 26 minutes after firing a gun. I don't understand how this program is supposed to make us feel safer, or create safety in our communities. And so I am begging you to vote no on ShotSpotter Thank you. Thank you. Next caller please. The next caller is janai Fraser Hello, my name is Janae Fraser and I am the Vice President of the clean black club and I'm also a resident in District Three. I encourage the Council to approve the shoutbox ShotSpotter proposal on behalf of our community. Thank you. Thank you. Our next caller please. The next caller is to hear a pad
Good morning. Can you hear me? We can you may proceed.
Good morning council thank you for the opportunity.
We need clan cup spotter
once you enact this we're gonna have a bunch of police run into the area looking for the
shooter and you know what they do
when they see black people that may have committed a crime. Our police
department has gotten wider and wider under Mike Duggan. I have been asking for repairs for 12 years and I still haven't home repairs and I am eligible for repairs. I'm asking that you to invest that money and keeping seniors disabled people like myself in the city. No repairs mean that people will leave and people are desperate a 12 years for repairs and I still haven't gotten I'm asking Mr. Dugan to resign because he has not done anything whereas we want to audit on on on our grants. Where's our money going? Where's our repaired grants going? We want to audit and counsel you have the power to audit these programs that
are not working for us.
thank you. Our next caller please. The next caller is Renard Matuszewski. You may proceed. All right, can I be right? We can hear you. All right.
I want to speak on behalf of myself as a resident of the city a longtime resident. I live in District
Six but I grew up in district one a lot of in school and traffic understand them by this. I'm a guest spot shatter and I asked this council and my council person
about this and the reason being is not going to improve ambulance and police response time and really the result of all this gun violence that's happening is the neglect in the neighborhood. So now echo the sentiment of one of the callers this is not going to improve infrastructure like lighting and piping and sewers is not going to hire more drivers. We're losing drivers for our most important transportation system that gets people not only to work but to everywhere else. We can't rely on that. There are no mental health facilities and programs, libraries that being invested in no youth centers and activities or anything that will prevent crime and address the root causes of this. Vote this down this is a waste of money that is being spent on military technology to hunt down humans. Thank you. Our next caller please. The next caller is Minister Eric Blanc. Jeremy counsel. We can answer
is Mr. Eric Blanc from Sacred Heart Catholic Church. Surveillance is not safety. This is a great way to describe why a no vote on ShotSpotter
is needed. The number one proven factor in decreasing crime and violence is to statistically reduce poverty and to fully care for the mentally ill, especially among the youngest members of our society. One point I do agree with the Detroit Police Department on is that the vast majority of all homicides are committed between people
that know each other. So healthy relationships based on value lives.
is the key knowing that the shot is fired,
but the residents are afraid of the police response and afraid of
the criminal retaliation. Then the
money is spent with very little gain. ShotSpotter data does not make a case which value in decreasing shots
fired or increasing gun
recovery. The city administration's promotional flyers this month uses only one year of data comparison, which is very little thank you so much. And next caller please the next caller is crystal nickel.
Where's the nickel? The floor is yours. It's Nicole. My name is Crystal. I'm from the East side on the east side in district five. I'm here to speak about ShotSpotter unfortunately, DPD is trying to use our rightful anger, grief and frustration to manipulate citizens into acting against our own interests. Last week's display was nothing but political theater and an insult to anyone who has been impacted or lost someone to violence in this city to everyone DPD first owes an apology. But most importantly, all citizens safety plan that actually works instead of offering citizens something in times of distress
and urgency. We all know we
DPD and other city officials all want something that works ShotSpotter does
not. In fact, a response program cannot prevent violence. It's in the name of response to violence, recording violence as it is already occurring.
Instead, citizens can use this millions to rescue citizens to provide housing heating, health care, education and jobs. I implore you
thank you so much. next caller please. next caller is phone number ending in 202 Hello, can you hear me we can. Good morning. My name is Frank Hamer. I'm from district two. And I'm opposed to ShotSpotter. All the politicians including Mayor Duggan and President Biden want to score with the public by looking like they're fighting crime you're using several COVID relief funds to promote a gimmick. That spider. They're playing Detroiters by pointing to the tree tragic shooting deaths that occurred recently
on the west side.
It's part of a coordinated media blitz, backed by the for profit corporation thought
spotter and the politicians that are on board.
That spider is not a proven technology far from it. Detroit is seen as easy prey for a company which stands to make millions but COVID relief funds should be used to alleviate the poverty and despair of 1000s of teens throughout our city. Let's focus on what drives a 19 year old to randomly killed in
the morning ma'am be heard? Yes. Let me out the allergy is now the next caller is at McAfee. Hi good morning. My name is Andre McAfee lifelong resident of Detroit. currently living in District Six. I am completely against this bad shatter myself growing up in the city. I've experienced violence like many other residents, but I've also experienced the lack of motivational things in the community to promote people
to not go into those lanes of life such as gun violence and ending up in prison and awful things. That happens to people are based off of their community.
It takes a community to raise a child and what happens to a child raised in a terrible community they turn out to be usually a terrible person. And that is not going to be resolved by sending a police state into our community. To me that money should be spent more on rebuilding the community and moving us into a positive direction not a negative direction. We
already have enough police brutality in the country. We don't need to add to it. In my opinion, the city should move forward, not backward. Thank you all right. Thank you
the next caller is Robert Palacky. All right, Mr. Robert Palacky. Are you there? All right, all right. If we can go to our next caller and come back, please. The next caller is Christopher Gilmer Hill.
Hi, can I be here? Yes, we can hear you. Hi, my name is Chris Gilmer Hill. I'm a lifelong resident of district two.
And I'm here to urge you to reject ShotSpotter as
dangerous and ineffective technology. They claim 97% But we already know they cook the books by assuming that wasn't done
unless the police report cites the exact firecracker or backfiring car
that broke their faulty tech, but we know the real figures the independent data out of Chicago prove that they only found evidence of a gun 10.3% of the time. That's not just fraudulent statistical malpractice. It's a life or death issue that poses a real danger to Detroiters. People have already pointed out that if officers believe ShotSpotter is broken technology, they'll think there's a 97% chance of an active shooter on scene. The end result is cops showing up guns blazing and shooting children shooting whoever's on site as soon as they get there. That's something that actually happens. Look to the tragic case of Tamir Rice. That's a real danger to voters. We live in a city with chronically underfunded housing and public transit. So wasting money on this broken
technology is an insult to all the Twitter's and I urge you to vote
now. Thank you. All right. Thank you
the next caller is phone number
ending in 044.
Yes, good morning counsel and everyone. I am calling regarding spot five ShotSpotter I am important because it will aid our police officers something unfortunately, not the callers I think that are here and online presently. We don't support our policemen anymore. Once upon a time if you heard a set fire, people will pick up the phone. They become desensitized, and no one calls anymore. No one speaks to our police officers. Like they did once before. So I think was sad spawners for people who are afraid to call. This will assist the police to find out where the shot came from. I'm feeling sad in the early mornings in the night. I want to call the police. I don't know what street they're on. With that spotters, this would assist the police in knowing where the staff are coming from and they can go and investigate. Thank you. Right Thank you.
The next caller is Rukia
the morning I am Rukia COVID, an organizer and a resident of Detroit's East Side love lifelong Detroiter. I was here last week and I'm here once again to emphasize you all to vote no on ShotSpotter. I first want to bring to the attention of everyone here
that this is $7 billion dollars in ARPA funds, which is intended for COVID and economic relief. For the past few years DPD has had over $300 million allocated to their budget. You just handed over millions of our tax dollars to Dan Gilbert for another one that is clay projects. We've heard multiple times today of how this is nothing but a reactionary tactical tool. While urging you to vote no I also urged his body to think of how you can truly work for the citizens to are more proactive tools to provide safety. So thinking about housing over assessed tax reimbursements, mental health resources, recreational facilities for youth services to our disabled and aging population, transit and infrastructure. Investing in these things is how we create safety now more police surveillance and government control. Thank you.
The next caller is you
matter. You matter, are you there? Hello. Can
you hear me?
Yes we can. Good morning.
Okay, thank you. Number one. I've seen this movie before. Sure. Looks like the district managers have been really busy last week. Going to the you know their peeps to drum up support and I do think it's sad to use people's misery and what happened to them to try and promote a technology where there's not solid proof that it works. This is a very inappropriate use of Ira dollars. I sent an email to everyone who got a link to the Office of Inspector General report or article about it from Chicago where they saw it's not useful. We need more mental health. You need to question these emergency demos really 17.1 to $46,000 for this small house and the land bank just voted on a contract to try and take more people's properties. The guy who couldn't get the side lat that's because Duggan doesn't want you to get
right thank you.
caller is Le Koelsch. Good morning.
I'm not really going to say anything new. I want to echo the other folks who have already spoken in supporting you guys to say that you should not vote for ShotSpotter
I mean, if the police don't
have enough money now then how much will be enough? When will it ever be enough? Um, we need that money for housing, transportation, mental health services, childcare masks, testing vaccines mean anything else that would actually build people up? Thank you. Thank you. The next caller is Evan Villeneuve. Hello, my name is Evan resident of district one also a community worker
calling to say absolutely vote no on ShotSpotter. First of all, we need an independent review and analysis
whenever these policing technologies come into the city to see
what kind of effectiveness they really offer.
We've been talking about the same thing for decades about gun violence and crime in Detroit and across the nation. And we've only added prisons added police added surveillance technologies added more laws to criminalize people and nothing seems to be changing. Here we are talking about the same things the evidence about this technology in other cities simply states that it does not work is simply won't. And so we need to look at that seriously and understand why other cities have cut the contracts for this. And lastly, it's very uncomfortable that a company who seemingly has a monopoly over this technology is going to be popping champagne bottles if you do vote yes on this because they are going to extract profit from crime. Thank you the next caller is Michael Lamont Cunningham Jr.
made that number so you can remember it? hotline number. That's how you can contact me and listen to the two minutes three minutes actually on Facebook for subservience cutting in the reason why it's so Serbians could the powers that be have mutated, kind nice and humble into subservience? The other three I am humbled nice and kind that I am but subservience is what they want to force. They mutated that word into that. So I'm regardless ShotSpotter I stay on mute on it. All I do want to say and all of my observation over the years, everybody who didn't know me come into city council meeting, anything the police want, they always get nothing is booked, nothing is brought back nothing. They get what they want. It's a waste of time and energy to try to fight it. And that's all I have to say about that. Please continue to pray for my mom and myself and my vehicle troubles.
Thank you Mr. Cunningham.
The next caller is William M. Davis.
Good afternoon. Oh can be heard? Yes, you can, Mr. Davis? Well, I'm a former police commissioner for district seven. I like to
say that spot shadow is a reactive way to, you know, this act of the fact I think that would be a better use of ARPA funds to make sure that you know, that you have the city has people to knock on every single door on the city of Detroit and make people know that part of the Biden bill back better. Is this internet credits available? The City of Detroit would be immensely better off if the city helped people to get those credits. People who currently don't have internet and people who are currently paying for Internet service that they could get a credit for. I think that would be a whole lot better and that would improve the city of Detroit almost overnight. Also, it'd be a whole lot better if the city of Detroit was actually given the city Detroit retiree some money. I mean, dang, you know, after nine years when that one pin has been returned, but yet the mayor and city council have have countless pay raises and benefits increase, but nothing for us. Thank you, Mr. Davis. The next caller is
Merida. Me guess we can Good morning. Good morning. Hello, my name is Marita. I work in Detroit.
I'm here to urge council to vote against the expansion of ShotSpotter
the Troy community members deserve true and genuine safety and protections. Let's get one thing clear surveillance isn't safety. ShotSpotter is a lazy and faulty solution to gun crimes. ShotSpotter is not the answer. both academic and government sources like the University of Michigan and city of Chicago inspector general have cited that ShotSpotter is not effective. ShotSpotter lies about their accuracy tech companies like ShotSpotter don't care about the safety of our community members. They care only about making sells and about lining the pockets of their shareholders. Don't be bullied into DPD slide that ShotSpotter is effective and prevents gun crimes to waste 7 million of us money when some Detroiters can afford to keep their water or like two three. Running public transportation or housing is careless and response and irresponsible Detroiters deserve so much better. Thank you. Great, thank you. The next caller is Sammy Lewis. Hello, can you hear me?
Yes, we can.
Um, we are aware that Biden had met with Duggan and I must remind you that as council members that your job is to serve and represent the people $8 million should not be going to another racist and classic class has hyper surveillance tactic, as it will not result in the Safer Community but will result in more false arrest and brutality. Other cities have defunded ShotSpotter as it does not work the way it is marketed as this technology will not only pick up the sound of gunshots but it will also pick up fireworks in the midst of firing of cars. And police do not need more resources or money and a $330 million police budget to do their job as they often failed to actually do it. We as the people need that $8 million for resources such as better infrastructure and affordable housing. As we suffer inflation and a pandemic. When people have the things they need crime goes
down. Even the people who are in supportive ShotSpotter aren't actually saying that they want that they just want to feel safe and there is a difference. If the police can't keep us safe. Why are we giving them more toys and money
by divesting from the police we can reinvest in our communities. Thank you. All right. Thank you the next caller is Peggy noble.
councilmembers members, my name is Peggy noble, President of College bar Community Association and also a member of district two. I'm a president delegate to 89. And also I'm in the eighth I live in a three cent I've been living here in my area for over 45 years. I'm 80 years young, and I community so far all these years is a pretty safe community. And the reason it's pretty safe, is because we organize over here. We have black clubs, community associations, and members that come to our meetings. We tried to inform them and encourage them and I support shout spotters. And I hope Council do the same thing. Thank you. All right. Thank you the next caller is Yaya,
hello, this is actually Jack Keiser. This is I use this account for my business.
But um, as a new resident of Detroit and a victim of misplaced energy and expenses of the Detroit Police that has left me and my children homeless still housed in a hotel room, and furthermore pushed out this court case that I'm in I totally disagree with this spot shattered because I am a victim of being homeless made by the police and in a situation in which I shouldn't even have been allowed to be evicted nor should my home had been entered into. So giving the police more money and not solving the issues of the people is the problem. The issue is the Spirit of Detroit is taken and destroyed. The kids have no hope so they're going to violence. The root of the issue is healing the hope within the city and the people of this city and as the person who has been stripped of everything except for her good name. I don't think that you should support this and I do think that she should get housing especially for myself. Right Thank you.
The next caller is Malik Shabazz.
Can you hear me?
Yes, we can.
Good morning. Okay, thank you. Good morning Grand Rapids and giving honor
to God. My view on the ShotSpotter is that by reacting to the shots fired, it becomes preventative because if the police can get that expeditiously they can get the shooters and does. They will not be able to shoot any more. Many of us have become desensitized and still others have been afraid to call the police ShotSpotter will take care of that.
By helping the police to more expeditiously get to the scene where the shots are fired. And if we want more money spent on the front side of life, we can have both we can fund ShotSpotter and we can fund wraparound services on the front side. Thank you very much
Council. Thank you.
The next caller is Tammy Stanko.
Good morning Council members and everybody. I am opposed to ShotSpotter.
I trust that counsel has done you know, simple google search like I've done and found lots of evidence that suggests that it's ShotSpotter is not effective technology in Chicago. They determined over 88% of the calls from shop ShotSpotter alerts found no evidence of gun related incidents. Johns Hopkins University did a long term study 17 year study of 68 large metropolitan counties found no significant impact on firearm related homicides or arrest outcomes. I think this money would be much better spent supporting people. And so for that reason, I urge you to vote no. Thank you. All right. Thank you. The next caller is phone number ending in 399.
Can you hear me now?
Yes, we can. This is Frank Aldrich
and I represent the SATA drive block club Association in District Three. And there has been a lot of testimony pros and cons with regards to ShotSpotter and its effectiveness. Its value, you know and so forth. But we are in strong agreement in strong supportive of the city council approving it. And I won't repeat a lot of all the
justification for that that's already been mentioned, but a few things do kind of stand out.
one of them is not so much a reactionary type of technology it also becomes a deterrent. You know, because once
the evidence shows that in areas where this has been deployed, that there's been a constant reduction in the number of shootings. You know, it just goes down and it continues to trend downward. But in addition to that, you not only have to stop that there's been incidents where people have been, you know, receive it or respond to the injuries that that occurred as a result of a shooting that might not have happened otherwise.
So it gives law enforcement an advantage
right thank you.
The next caller
Hi, oh, thank you for the time to hear us out. So I am Alex. I'm a resident of Southwest Detroit. So I'm very conscious of the situation that a TPA is brought up to drum up fear just the other week there was a shooting right behind my house, but as outside quitting when my daughter, however ShotSpotter would not have hadn't made me feel safe. Because I was within the radius of of the pinpointing of ShotSpotter, which has a diameter of 50 feet. So I was worried that they will respond and start
me a potential suspect and I will not be the first brown man misidentified in a
shooting investigation prompted by ShotSpotter
data, the data that they've already released after too amount of money due to trial periods at their beck four has proven inconclusive murders, indeed,
the prisons that actually gone up over the past 17 months. If people don't call the police. That's an issue for the police to solve and they should not be using our money taken away our privacy rights to do the work for them. All right, thank you. Next caller is Amy Johnson. Good morning. Can you hear me? Yes, we can. Good morning. This is Miss Johnson and I am a Detroit resident and professional researcher. Thank you for the opportunity to speak today. ShotSpotter has not been shown to have a real impact. There's no real connection between this tech and solving crimes. Police investigative work solves crimes. And the police membership City Council believe that ShotSpotter alerts will hasten police response times they have to question the root cause of why people are calling 911
So with caution against
ineffective improving policing policies ShotSpotter is but a tool and that
the company continues
to be non transparent and will not allow for an independent review of the data. I've sent the information to city council I would like a response. Right, thank you. The next caller is Devon Hello, can you hear me? Yes we can. Good morning. Good morning Council and good morning to everyone that came today. I'm a business owner of scan bar seven on liver noise and we are definitely have had our share of shootings. I mean, we just experienced a 19 year old shooter. There was another there has been a murder on our blog. There's been a lot. I'm in favor of the ShotSpotter but there's also a catch 22 there I'm in favor of it. But should we really be using funds intended for COVID for relief for those I think that there needs to be like a happy medium because there are so many other needs for
mental illness, health and homecare and things like that. So we need to be very transparent
about what it does and maybe even offer doing this on a trial run to see if the data
You know if they if it warrants spending the entire amount or where we can get those funds from and if they can be used up in places that they shouldn't be. Alright, thank you the next caller is calling user two. Alright, alright, if we can go to our next caller and come back please. Okay, the next caller is phone number ending
and 771. All right, all right. We can try our next caller and come back to this caller as well. Okay, the next caller is James Jackson. Yes, good morning.
My name is James Jackrabbit Jackson. I'm chairman of the Jeff chelmer Citizen District Council. I'm a retired Detroit police officer from the gang squad and I do the neighborhood patrol over in Geoff Chalmers. Area code. Zip code is for a 2151 of the lowest crime areas in the city of Detroit. I do support ShotSpotter I think it would be a good thing to complement all of the cameras and things that
we've put up to help fight crime. We need your support on this. Councilman Johnson we need your support on this one here. Thank you so much. All right. Thank you.
The next caller is Annie. O'Byrne. Good morning thank you to the council. I want to quickly point out to everyone that all policing is reactionary. And I while I am in favor of the technology I do not necessarily have any information about the contract about future obligations about preventing the cost of response going up. I do do sound design in theater. I understand sound technology extremely well. I'm not sure that it wouldn't be cheaper to develop our own
and have contractual obligations about manipulating the sound and creating policy where
the you know any
change of the technology say from helicopter to gunshot would automatically be disclosure to opposing counsel. There's lots and lots of things that have to be fixed and you need to follow the ordinance directions and while this
Alright, thank you the next caller is Dawood Walid. Hello, my name is Imam Dawood Walid, I'm the executive director of the Council on American Islamic Relations, Michigan chapter also a homeowner. in district one I've come here to you to voice my opposition to ShotSpotter. We as people who live in Detroit and do business in Detroit as well as worship, we are all concerned about gun violence at the same time we need to center facts over feelings. The facts are that shots fired there is no empirical data that gives a research report the state that this will deter crime not at all. As a matter of fact, we have the counter than the city of Chicago in them using shots spotter that is led to 88.7 False incidences of police coming to the scene and responding to things such as firecrackers
backfiring of cars and other sorts of sounds.
As well as we need to look at this from the aspect of the ordinance passed last year by the city of Detroit regarding
surveillance so I say vote no. The next caller is Kim shear Roby.
Good morning. I want to encourage everyone on the council people as I've already encouraged my council person and district seven for a Dewar Hall not to vote for ShotSpotter and to ask the council to deeply consider all the reasons that were given not to have this technology. People are not safe because of tools like ShotSpotter people are safe because we look out for one another. We all in Detroit we had and still many of us still do have the ability and the practice to look out for our neighbors. So I'm encouraging again all the time for people to vote against shot spiders and encouraging all the listeners to look out for each other and care for each other. All right, thank you. The next caller is Denise Lyles.
Have an opportunity to talk about this. My name is Denise Ryles I'm in District. We cannot hear you. Oh,
can you hear me now?
Um, it's pretty low.
Oh, there we go. Okay, my name is Denise Lyles. I'm in district five
of the Lynwood Dexter community
with the Lawrence Burlingame, Hollywood black community. I speak for our community to say we are in favor of ShotSpotter. Why yes, it's not the solution. But it's a tool in the arsenal for us to stop some of this crime. People would not be so apt to keep shooting if they knew there was technology around to help reduce that. I'm not going to tell you guys up I just want to say thank you for listening to us. And yes, we are in agreement. All right. Thank you Miss Lyles. The the next caller is phone number ending in 905. Good morning. This is Virginia for our community. I'm calling in a reference to the line item 22.4 Concerning the transfer of jurisdiction for planning and development to the Department of Parks and Recreation starting parcels 2014 West Philadelphia 15 properties along with other properties that include Euclid Street and Rosa Parks, my inquiry is this the properties that surrounded Joseph Walker William center
or the parking lot, even though stages and is due to the transfer to parks and
recreation was that secure
of the Justin Walker William center
of being able to stay under city control and ownership. All right, thank you
the next caller
Good morning is breaking up actually Daniels, and I'm a lifelong member of East English village and a lead organizer of Michigan Liberation's care not criminalization campaign and I'm here to ask you to vote no on ShotSpotter. According to the MacArthur Justice Center, studies show that 88% of the cost ShotSpotter did not result in police recording any kind of incident involving a gun. Less than 1% actually led to
a crime and an arrest. We do not need any more money on the police department. police do not prevent crime. They show up after the fact. police do not keep us safe. We do. We need to invest in Detroiters. We need to invest in housing, mental health resources education safe consumption sites
will employ food employment, trauma informed cares and things that actually prevent
crime. ShotSpotter will do nothing but add to the death toll Trigger Happy
police coming to the scene with no
idea of home or what they're looking for. So please I urge you to say no to that. All right, thank you. The next caller is call in user to Hello, yes. Good morning. Can you hear me? Yes we can. Good afternoon. Thank you for doing a wonderful job. Mary ship feel and Mary waters. I love you guys both
for doing the best
that you can.
I'm asking that you consider making a law
in Detroit for landlords when they allow their property to be
dilapidated with trash inside outside. And not making repairs that they'd be fined several 1000s of dollars. I've been contacting your office, Mary Sheffield and Mary waters with dogs violating Michigan dog Law Section 615 sections for and nothing has been being done I have to deal with rudeness coming from Callaway office. There are halls office and Ombudsman's office all of which I can prove can demonstrate.
Right Thank you
and we will continue to work with you on on those issues. Thank you for calling in. The next caller is phone number ending in 771. Hello, yes ma'am. Good afternoon. Good afternoon Honorable President and council members.
My name is Betty a Barna. I'm president
of DeSoto Ellsworth black Association,
where active black cloth and my members we support
ShotSpotter we are in support of ShotSpotter because it is a tool that the police can use to determine where the shots are coming from in the neighborhood. As a resident I have lived in my home over 50 years I've been in the same neighborhood born and raised in the city of Detroit. If I call when I hear shots, I can't tell the operator where the shots are coming from. I again say that we support that spotters. The majority of my members have lived in their homes for 30 plus years. We're seniors. We have health challenges. We want to be safe and we support police. Were part of the 10th precinct
district seven Please exercise our right and support
spa charter. Thank you. Thank you
caller is Rawan Shahab. Yes, good morning, everyone. I'm here from the district seven was born and raised here and work in the district seven area. I am all for the ShotSpotter to make our world a better place. Thank you. All right, thank you the next caller is Michelle.
Good afternoon Michelle.
Are you with us?
I am sorry. I am in support. Of ShotSpotter. I am a district for resident
and have been a lifelong disorder. It is definitely important to
equip police with the tools necessary to help hopefully hopefully, you know make our communities safer. That's all Thank you. All right, thank you. The next caller is Stacy Varner. Hi, my name is Stacy Varner. I am a resident in district two. I live very close to Palmer Park. And often hear noises that to my untrained ear sound like gunshot but in fact, not clear if in fact they are. I believe it is your duty as our elected council to evaluate the data, independent and data and if in fact the ShotSpotter program does in fact have the ability to aid our police officers in identifying gunshots and locate the area in which the shots were fired. Then I am in support of this program. Thank you all right, thank you
the next caller
is Marcia spy the buyer. Point to Hello,
madam counsel. Can
you hear me okay? Yes, we can.
Okay, thank you so much. Thank you for this opportunity. My name is Marcia spy V. I am a resident in District Three. As you've heard many, many residents from District Three as we our numbers are very high on the percentage of crimes and violence that takes place in our specific district. As such, I am here just to ask that you do your due diligence counsel, know what the reports are saying know what the ACLU is saying. Know what the other legal think tanks are saying with respect to unfair policing disproportionate amount of prosecutions. We I recognize that you cannot satisfy all citizens and organizations however, you can make a very fully informed informed decision. And what you can do further is address the issues that those who oppose it are having with respect to criminalization work. With the Detroit Justice Center, work with other nonprofits to make sure that we were drinking. Thank you.
Oh, I apologize. The next caller is Coniah Jones Sims.
Hi, good morning, everyone. My name is Coniah. I'm a co founder of the movements that divides Detroit. I also live in district two now on businesses in district two on the finger business district, and I am against the ShotSpotter. I think that's just a reaction to crime, a reaction to violence and what we need to do is to prevent it. I think we need to invest that $7 million into our people and into our community. We need to be boots on the ground and we need to have a relationship with the community. And I'm just challenging everyone just to step up. And then we can do this. We don't have to depend on us. ShotSpotter if everyone pick up the phone, call me see something going on. When you see a crime, quit recording it, put it on Facebook, we just need to step up. Like our organization just gave away 400 gun locks. We're about to do it again for Halloween.
And this is a very, very, very big success. But we all need to step up. We can't depend on out
we need to do it ourselves. Thank you. All right, thank you.
The next caller is Carmela McIntyre,
Good morning. I am back to turn on the caller calling on behalf of my husband Dr. Robert MC Taya president of the Kerry
rogie Hilldale black club, and we are actually in support of the ShotSpotter I don't want to feel safe and be able to ride my motorcycle. And doing this will actually decrease the likelihood of the guns being in our area. We are in District Three precinct loving. I don't want my husband to have to ride
behind me in the
past so that I can feel
safe throughout my motorcycle.
I Liberian on at the louder branch sitting in her car waiting for others to come so that she can open the door. Gets again knocked on her window. Why someone's trying to rob her she luckily was able to get away. This makes no sense. We should feel safe and if the ShotSpotter is going to determine.
The next color is Robert Showbie. Good morning. I'm against ShotSpotter if you guys can hear me, and I just want to make a couple of quick suggestions. One is is let's bring back the residency law. You have much better community policing when police live in the community as opposed to another community and let's let's take this money, find money to figure out a way to
get rid of this bring the residency law back and incentives to bring our policemen firemen and all those people back to our communities. And the next thing is is Take this money and do something for children and old people. When you stabilize and take care of the children you take care of the old people It says a whole lot about what kind of city you're trying to have. And it also shows other people the importance of them because this I'm not going to talk anything against anybody personally but these work in these working age people seem to be only interested in themselves. And we need to come back to the reality of things. Reality is you're not going to have a better community or any of this stuff. If you keep investing in things that D invest in the city. We're taking our resources and sending them out. All right, thank you. The next caller is Robert Polaski. Good afternoon counsel. Can I be heard? Yes, you can. Thank you.
Sorry about that had some technical difficulties. Good morning, everyone, Robert Palacky. And I represent transportation routers united and nonprofit in Detroit have 20 years of advocacy focusing on regional transportation. I am not a Detroit resident. I'm actually a resident of South Gate calling into the 100 year university of DDOT
had the pleasure to attend the anniversary this Saturday with all the drivers and some of DDOT staff I just want to thank counsel for the amount of support that we've put into DDOT over the years and
there's many years to come.
The funding, more funding for our drivers to come to DDOT for example, Trenton call you know a driver that's been wanting to come back to data and I personally would like to endorse that.
Because I had the pleasure of speaking with him. And he's very passionate about the city. And I personally would like to say thank you to everyone at DDOT you are the backbone of this city. You are the backbone of our jobs and we keep the city moving. I'd like to thank our public members, especially our partners over Detroit people's platform regarding
the next caller is cookie Cornerstone village community. Hello, my name is cookie from conditional Village and I am in support of the Spats shut spattered technology. I live in District Four precinct five and I am in favor of it.
Any tool that will help the overworked and underpaid police officers do their jobs even better. I also believe that it will encourage residents to call 911 Knowing that ShotSpotter the ShotSpotter will be able to locate the area of the gunshots. I also am in favor in
promote. I'll feel good about the ceasefire program. And hopefully some of these firms could go toward that tech group.
Thank you so much. All right. Thank you and the last caller that raised their hand before you had cut off public comment is Peggy noble. Alright, I think already you have the opportunity to speak. I believe you're right
and everyone else who has their hand currently raised raised it after you had called for the cut off for public comment. Okay. All right.
Thank you, Ari.
All right. And thank you to everyone who took the time to come down and join us virtually and I know there's a lot of people who are here in one line. So if there's no objections from my colleagues, we can go straight to those contracts which are line items 17.1 and line item 17.2.
There are no objections.
And Mr. Clark if you would like to read those. Sure. 17.1 is contract numbers 60043341 2% arpa funding to provide the expansion
based gunshot detection location and forensic forensic analysis services. Contract is ShotSpotter Inc. total contract amount is $7 million. And this contract is for the police department. The four 70.2 is contract number 6003161 66% For forfeiture 33% city funding amendment number one to provide an extension of time only for the continuation of the gunshot detection system and to add Form Letter of Credit contract is ShotSpotter Inc, total contract amount $1,500,000. And this contract is for the police department is well councilmember Santiago Romero two resolutions, Lanham, 17.1 and 17.2. Councilmember Santiago Ramiro can move for discussion. Yes, Madam President, I motion to discuss item 17.1 and 17.2. All right, thank you. So I know there's probably a lot of comment around this before we begin, I would like to bring over Gail Fulton from the administration. My office did submit a letter and I know that there were three additional council members that did sign off on the letter to explore because there has been a lot of conversation around the use of ARPA funding being used
for this particular contract. And so we did submit a letter to the administration to see if the department was willing to explore using existing funding within DPD to fund this particular contract. And so, Miss Fulton if you can just speak to you are receiving the letter when the administration where the administration stands as of today, in response to that particular letter. Absolutely. Good afternoon to this honorable body. Gil Fulton on the behalf of the administration. Yes, we are in receipt of the memo forwarded today. And we are currently investigating other options for this. We're still in the reviewing phase. So we'll be in contact with everyone very, very soon regarding this matter. Thank you. All right. And so just to be clear, there's nothing that can be done today, as relates to possibly changing the source of funding from ARPA to the existing Police Department's budget. I believe it will be unlikely however, if you all would allow us to postpone this matter for one additional week, then we wouldn't be able to have more conversations around this. Okay, all right, and so we can open up the floor to colleagues, I just wanted to raise that as one of the issues that I know has come from community I've received emails about is that ARPA funding was intended for the economic hardships of COVID. And just one of the issues was trying to figure out if there is a way that DPD can use their existing budget to possibly fund this particular contract and so I wanted the department to have the opportunity to at least explore that option. I know Mr. Corley, you are on if you briefly want to give us the numbers that you were able to find based on our conversations that we had regarding the amount of money that may be available within DP DS current budget. Thank you, Madam President. Good afternoon city council. So I looked at the average salary in a police department. That's about $90,000 and the average amount of vacancies in police over the last 12 months. Is 352 vacancies. So when you multiply that 1000 by 352 vacancies on average, that's about $34.5 million in salary savings and police department then when you look at their overtime deficits, the highest being in 2022. So this kind of use that as a conservative measure the overtime deficit in 2022. And police department was $16.1 million. So when you take the $34.5 million in salary savings, minus the overtime deficit of 16.1, it appears there's about $18 million in the police department's budget that could be used for something else. Thank you. All right. Thank you, Mr. Coralie. All right. So there has been a request from the administration. We can open it up now. If there's comments or questions from colleagues, and I'm gonna start with member Santiago, Mira. No, this was in your committee. If you have any comments or Yes, well, thank you, Madam President. For the request of the administration, I do not support postponing this votes, I think that if they are interested in finding other funding sources, they can do so. And they can come back to us with a different contract today. I would much rather us vote this down and ensure that we save a point $5 million of ARPA funding and begin to look for solutions that residents are desperately asking for so that's my quick comments regarding postponing this votes, would like to know where the rest of my colleague stands, and would much rather have this voted down today as to make sure that we save the money and then allow the administration time to come back with a different contract. All right. Thank you. Member Santiago Amuro. And I cannot make a motion myself. So we'll have to come from the body here. And just also want to mention that contract line item 17.2 is not using ARPA funding. This is 66% forfeiture funding and 33% city funding and so the request is only for 7 million in ARPA funding. And that is for the first contract which is for the expansion of shot spotters. Thank you, Madam President. Yes, you are correct. No problem. I just want to make sure people are clear. Any additional comments or questions from my colleagues? Yes, President Pro Tem etait Thank you, Madam President.
So, you know,
this has been a very challenging vote for us to meet or at least for me, I'll just say from there's, as you saw and heard here, we had a number of folks who live in district one who came in support a number of them who
have been in opposition and this is not the first time that I've been hearing that, you know,
pretty connected to the community. We hear that on a regular basis, those who are in support, those who are not. There are some a group of folks in the district and throughout the city. We have discussed the fact that as mentioned in your letter, Madam President, they would be more willing to support the possibility of expanding and allowing for additional data to be collected to see if this is a long term tool for the city of Detroit. If it were not for ARPA funding, if there was some additional for if there's general funds that were used, as opposed to ARPA funding that was designed to help our community recover from the pandemic, they would be more willing to have the conversation and be more so supportive of again expanding to determine if this is a long term. tool that we will be able to use. I'm from the mindset. I have to listen to my constituents and try to identify which decision that we are posed to make here that has the maximum amount of support for the community. I don't believe in this false narrative that it has to be a situation where we support either social services or policing tools,
as Ben mentioned, we can do and I believe we have to do
both. While we are helping, folks. I mean, we have port ARPA dollars and we'll continue to do so earmark them for a number of social services where they talk about training, job training, job readiness, we looked at housing efforts, were utilizing dollars there. Is there a need for more Absolutely. But on the other side, we also have to look at the fact that we are in a very challenging situation. As it relates to public safety. And public safety is addressing those root causes as well as addressing the current dangerous situation that many unfortunately have placed the residents in the city of Detroit. And so this is not to say that we have to have a false narrative of one or the other I believe that in fact that we have to do both. And I will say this on the front end, I asked a number of questions from the police department in the administration, about ShotSpotter. I saw that on the front end. I told him several times you got to stop saying this is a preventative tool because I don't see the prevention aspect of it. But what I do see is how it has been used for investigations afterwards. That cannot be just thrown out as if it doesn't matter especially when you talk to a victim's families who are pleading for anybody in somebody to provide information that will assist them with the closure of their loved ones case. I cannot turn a deaf ear to that at all. So I will be in support of line item 17.2 because it does not utilize ARPA funding and is $7 million in the event that we are able to get to that conclusion where the administration is provided oops,
potentially provide us with
a different funding source outside of ARPA,
that $7 million would then be allowed to then at that point be reallocated towards other social services that many of us want to see. So I think, certainly not a win win for everybody. But to me, it makes the best out of a very challenging situation, especially in the city, where we have so many different opinions about this technology as we as individuals, our lives we see technology being coming more and more part of it and we have to make sure that we safeguard our own protection and our own rights. We have to as government do the same thing with our residents and what I'm sad that it's not mentioned but I know that the police department worked with a number of activists within the city of Detroit number of community folks that have worked to strengthen a number of the civil liberty challenges that we've seen in the current policy. So I will let that let them give them an opportunity to talk about that. But it's again, unfortunate that they're not adding all of the conversation, all of the elements to the conversation that we need to be discussing right now today. So I will be in supportive line item 17.2 Because it again, will allow us to expand to determine if this is a longer excuse me, this particular item will allow us to determine if this is a long term tool for us in the city of Detroit but I am convinced that it definitely does assist with investigations prevention as another question but investigations. I am unconvinced that it now leads us to further invest the time and effort to determine if this is a long term solution for the city of Detroit. Thank you Madam President. Thank you. Member cowboy point. of clarification on Madam Chair. Are we talking about 17.2? Because I thought we were originally talking about 17.1 Because Gabby, my colleague over there had the floor and she was discussing 17 point why are we combining the conversations on both. So the discussion the motion was made for discussion on both of them both. So both can be discussed at this time. Okay, so I am a no on line item 17.2 With we're taking the vote or not. I am a no on 17 point well, no one and I'm a no on using any dollars to pay for ShotSpotter it does not prevent the murders that have been caring in the city for decades. We are either in the number one spot, and Cleveland is number number two, or we are in the number two spot and Cleveland is number one. We have a serious problem with crime fighting in this city and ShotSpotter is not a cure all at all. That we have frightened citizens. We have frightened our senior citizens to believe to make them believe that this is going to address the crime problem in the city it will not and we can have these discussions, infinitum. It does not solved the crime in this city and other cities have have attested to that. So I am a no vote, not taking the vote. Now when we do take the vote Madam Chair and to my colleagues on ShotSpotter. Whether we fund it with ARPA, or whether we fund it with general funding,
I'm a no vote and I'm also a no vote on postponing the vote. Thank you, Madam Chair.
Thank you member Callaway member Benson. Thank you, Madam President. And so the third district residents the ninth precinct. We've been working with ShotSpotter since the year 2015. We've been working with ShotSpotter when it was a pilot program that was funded through grants and not out of general funds nor out of any federal dollars for arpa. So we've worked with the advocates with our block clubs, as well as DPD to ensure that ShotSpotter data was coupled with
wraparound services, which is what I've demanded we have today.
And so I receive in writing commitment as well as funding commitments in writing that we will see funding for continuation of those wraparound services which we developed and deployed in coordination with our activist ceasefire. Minister Malik Shabazz, many of our block clubs who would go door to door after ShotSpotter identified shootings within our neighborhoods to make sure that residents got more than just police officers and uniforms coming to clean up the crime scene. They had wraparound services they were provided with resources and information, which is how this type of tools should be used, we believe and believe to be used successfully. And so I have will continue to support ShotSpotter as a tool to be used to number one, reduce crime. As you know there is a greater set of eyes you are less likely to to engage in crime, it's called hardening of a target. People will not go towards hard targets they will go towards soft targets. But the commitment to the wraparound services is also critical of how we coupled this tool with support for our residents to make sure that they have the resources that are necessary. Thank you.
Thank you. Member Benson.
Member Doha. Thank you, Madam President. And good morning, or almost afternoon now to everyone. This is an issue obviously, that we've been talking about. For the past few months. I've spoken with residents in district seven many of them have called today in support of it. There are a few that caught in opposition of it as as we know it, which has been the case with whether that was Project Greenlight or or any other tool
relative to a level of surveillance quote
unquote. But what I will say is the thing that sticks with me as a leader is and as many
of my colleagues have
probably experienced this is when I hear about a shooting in my district. I gotta make a call to someone's mother or someone's wife, or
someone's father or
When I got to go to a greater Grace Church for a funeral, or someone and I knew who served officer Lauren course and I got to talk to his wife, young wife, by the way of why he's no longer here. I'm not under any impression that ShotSpotter would have stopped that. However, would it have gave him a better idea when he pulled up where the shooter was actually coming from based off of the technology? Absolutely. And I'm not under any impression that this will totally reduce the rates of crime. I don't think that it is a preventative measure. But what I think is, is that it's a tool. And when we talk about the city of Detroit, and I live in district seven, two blocks, you know, from Dexter Avenue. I grew up there. Something has to be done. To curve not just the crime but just behavior. We have been in a city now where we think that as somebody is shooting a gun, is it we're desensitized to. We think that is a normal thing. Our kids think that is a normal thing. People are relieved when they only hear that is a pistol instead of an AK. It shouldn't be a pistol shot at all. Because they don't experience some of the same things in Southfield they don't experience some of the same things and war and Troy, where folks are dis, discharging pistols shooting that guns just in the air, whether it's to hurt somebody or not. That behavior is not normal. And so I don't think it's the end all be all to stop crime. I really don't. But I think that it is an important tool that we utilize. Folks say, Well, you know what, it only got a little bit over 300 guns off the street. What else 300 guns could have had three murders attached to them each and that's 900 People hypothetically speaking and so when we talk about keeping our residents safe, and it's not just about it's not just about catching folks, it's about changing that mind, state and behavior and that's why I've been a supporter that when I talk to residents these are senior citizens are living in fear. But not just senior citizens, the rest of our residents. You know, I've worked with some of the folks that have come and spoke to us today. They're activists, they're from the streets and some of them are saying that this is technology use there are too many guns on the streets. So yes, I am support and support a wraparound services. I don't want anyone to think that I don't I am. I do want to attack the root causes, as well. In conjunction but when we talk about funding as well, let's find out okay, we want to find alternatives to funding let's do that. But I may not necessarily want that brought from 352 vacancies when all other citizens said they want more officers and increase police presence too. So I think when we talk about funding, I think we've got to be responsible. We got to provide our officers with the tools to be able to do their jobs correctly and bring some sense of calm to our neighborhoods, even if it takes 300 guns off the street. And so, you know, Madam President, I am willing to find alternatives for this address the, you know, the deep rooted issues as well. But I don't think that we just throw this away knowing that this is something that can help save lives were changed behavior, and then gather more data on it. And so, Madam President, you know, again, where I stand on it, I would be willing to postpone it and bring it back. So we can't find something equitable that folks can get behind. But you know, I don't want to make any mistake that this is going to go away. And that even if he voted down, you know, what's the alternative? That's the question. Thank you, Madam President. Member Johnson. Thank you, Madam President. As the other city council member who represents the ninth precinct, I cannot just walk away from the ninth precinct and residents who came out who spoke about ShotSpotter and the impact that has had on their communities. I have had so many community leaders, so many residents throughout the district, to actually ask for me to support ShotSpotter even though is not being expanded into their precinct. That is actually quite surprising to me. I've had some reservations about that because it is not expanding into their area. I often wonder whether or not we're just going to displace crime. And I've, I've asked the question about it being mobile technology so that we move it as crime is shifting. Everyone who's ever heard me talk I talked about growing up in the city of Detroit and an impoverished community in an impoverished household and recognizing the level of violence that we have in our communities and we all see it. In the summertime we see every media story. Every other one talks about crime in our community. Member Callaway said, we're either number one or number two throughout the United States, as being the most crime ridden city, or the second most. The question is, what do we do about it? We know that there are root causes of poverty and of crime. How are we addressing that? That was one of my questions to Chief white. Because I have been an individual who has experienced having access to opportunity, while my younger siblings have not benefited from having access to opportunity. My youngest sister lives in the ninth precinct in the red zone in this area where ShotSpotter is currently active. And I talked to her regularly about hearing gunshots and we know that safety is a perception. If you feel safe, you are safe. So the question is how do we improve public safety? How do we encourage our residents to connect with one another? So that we're helping one another out? How do we provide support to the police department? For them to be able to do their job recognizing that we've had so many police officers leave the department and not only that, we also have few people that are joining the police academy. So what do we do with that? I'd like to ask the community when we come out in opposition of something to give me an alternative to give me other ideas on ways that we improve crime. We know that we need to address housing, skilled trades programming, and having access to training facilities, mental health support, community based partnerships. I want to ask everyone who came out today to also make sure that when you have conversations with your neighbors, with your friends with other Detroiters that we promote positive things that are happening in the city of Detroit that we promote the skills but live program that we promote the Learn to ARM Program that we promote all of the programs that are being considered that we are working through to improve the lives of Detroiters because I'm sure we all want to do that very thing. The question is always how how do we do it? And so as it relates to 17.2 I cannot shy away from my residence and say that your quality of life and your daily experiences don't matter to me because they do. I remember before I got here I remember sitting down with an elected official who proceeded to tell me how it was best to live in my community, but they had never slept there. I can't do that very thing. And so I am supportive of 17.2 I am still considering 17.1. I will share that with everybody. And so over this next week, I hope to have some additional conversations with other elected officials and other cities and with residents in District Four, to provide me with alternatives as we make this vote next week. Thank you Madam President. Thank you member Johnson. Member waters. Thank you, Madam President. I gotta tell you, you all know that I get just a bit worked up sometimes. This this is this is an emotional time for me because I heard the cry from people on both sides of this issue. I heard it from Thank you. I wish I had that magic one. Also know that we cannot ignore the fact that there's no data that proves that ShotSpotter actually works. If we take a look at Chicago, for example, like in Chicago. I mean, they got rid of it. How often do you hear a whole lot of gunshots being fired in Chicago? Oh my God. They light up that city all the time. They get rid of it because it wasn't working for them. I mean, what about five hours away from here? You know, so, but we have to really address the breeding grounds for violence. We know what they are poverty, housing, mental illness, structural racism, all of those things, just to name a few. You know, when I first got green light, I was really excited about it. Some of the senior citizens approached me and they said Miss waters, help us get green light for our buildings. Because there's, you know, so much crime, you know, people coming in with drugs, people coming in with this and that, I mean, just a whole lot of things that are happening. So I went to work because I wanted to help them get something that they felt will help them. Help them get green light. Crime is still running rampant and many of the senior citizens are buildings. And I got to tell you you can pull up to a gas station right now. People are comfortable with getting out of their cars and shooting somebody at a gas station. Even with green lights, they're catching right on camera. They don't even care you think they don't care about give a damn about ShotSpotter they won't. They won't care about it. We've got to do something different. I don't know what all the answers are. But I do know that we've started something when we started addressing the housing issues. We've got to help people in the city literacy issues, all kinds of things that are happening here in this city. So I've asked, show me some data please what is working? Don't just be wandering around putting fear into people. You've got fog scared to death in this city. They believe that spot shadow is going to keep them safe. Lord knows it's not going to happen when people want to shoot or kill, they got to do that. And they most of don't even care about getting calm. Stop scaring off people. Don't do it. Senior citizens have enough stress in their lives already. They think that if you put ShotSpotter in their neighborhoods, it's gonna say them her one lady says you want to feel free to ride her bike or have a husband? No, no. Hey, it won't matter if somebody wants to shoot. Education, poverty, housing all those kinds of things. And I support my police officers 100% I do. Big shout out to those over the tough bracing. You know, I know we are grasping for things we are grasping for help. We want to solve things. I don't want people to act out of fear. You make bad decisions out of fear. And when you do that, then you become disappointed. So what happens when ShotSpotter doesn't work in this city as it hasn't and a lot of other cities. Okay, so it hasn't worked in another city? What are we gonna be doing so magical that's gonna make it work here. And there's one other thing we have to consider. false arrest as CIT on the committee every Wednesday, lawsuit after lawsuit I'm tired of those to fall asleep incarcerating people ShotSpotter can lead to that green light has we have gathered you know, my colleagues and I we know that we have a lot of work to do. And I'm not going to judge my colleagues one way or another in terms of how what they decide is the best thing to do. I'm trying to figure out how to get there. I can't see it. I can't see it. And I don't want to give my people false hope. I just don't want to do that. So if we're vote today, I'm alone. I'm alone one on both of those bad chatters I'm a no. I'm postponing it. People continue to become so so fearful and had just want to give everybody a hug. You've got fear on one side of the gunshots. You have fear of surveillance on the other side. And we know that it happens in the black communities, right. Pete they surveil us all the time in the black communities. We know that so that is a concern. Folks that are afraid of that understand and do but I want all of Detroiters to know that we're going to keep working hard every day. Every day, I sit and I think what is that we can do better? What is it that we can do different to uplift our people? That's what I need. To be able to do. People hurting thank you so much. Member waters. Member Callaway. Yes, thank you Madam Chair. And to say that because I do not support ShotSpotter is not to say that I don't want to feel safe is not to say that I support gun violence because I say no to ShotSpotter I say no to ShotSpotter because it will not prevent a murder in your neighborhood. It would not have prevented the recent murders in my community in district two on August the 28th After I had had a prayer vigil on August the 27th. That young man had mental issues and the folks on that block knew it and had not reported him his art no it ShotSpotter would not have prevented that from happening. So when I say I do not support ShotSpotter does not say I'm not saying that I support crime in the city. Because I don't and we are number two on the list for 2022. St. Louis is number one. Cleveland has dropped to number eight, let's call Cleveland and ask them what they've done. To address the crime issue and their City and Chicago is 22. Let's call Chicago and ask them what they've done to address the crime in their city. This city needs help are our Detroit Police Department needs support. Maybe we should do a better job of partnering with the state troopers and the Sheriff Wayne County Sheriff because my no vote on ShotSpotter is not a yes vote on crime in the city. Thank you Madam Chair. Thank you member Callaway and really quick I know our chief has joined us virtually we can bring him over I just wanted to briefly say for myself I echo a lot of the comments that have been made here at the table. As as someone for the last eight years, who has been committed to addressing the root causes of violence. I launched an initiative called occupy the corner which really is geared towards addressing the underlying social issues that breed crime in our community. I'm a firm believer that you can't police your way out of out of crime. With that being said, I do have to just publicly say I wholeheartedly support our chief in the men and women of DPD and it's been a tough decision for me because I have personally seen our chief sit down with grassroots organizations and go line by line on the policy that's going to govern this particular technology to ensure that civil liberties are protected, etc. And so I just want to publicly commend our chief for his effort to really address a lot of the community concerns. But with that being said it is still split. I get calls every day from all sectors of the city that it's split. Whether or not people want to move forward with this technology. I have a huge issue with capacity. Mr. Currently just read off we have well over over 300 vacancies within DPD. I just received a call about a week ago someone who called the police department and they said they were coming no one came in so as we employ or deploy this technology do we have the capacity within DPD to address these particular ShotSpotter calls? And so I'm still concerned about capacity. And one of the issues that I raised with DPD that I personally wanted to see is the funding of community Gun Violence Intervention initiatives community based organizations receiving grants to do the wraparound services to do the preventative work that they do so well. In our community that could have became parallel with ShotSpotter is to ensure the community that we're not just reacting with ShotSpotter but we have these this layered approach with these community based gun violence. Intervention organizations being funded as well. I know that I've talked with several of them. There's mixed opinions as it relates to ShotSpotter as well because they're doing a lot of work in the community and still to this day have not been funded. And so here we are funding the technology that is reactive versus pouring into these grassroots neighborhood or not neighborhood I should say but violence interrupters, or organizations that are doing the work every day that I believe as a council, we voted with ARPA funding to allocate these groups money to begin to do work around prevention efforts throughout the city of Detroit. And so I personally if we are to vote today, I could not support the ShotSpotter contract. The 7.2, which is the existing contract that is covers the eighth and ninth precinct that does not use ARPA funding. I will be supporting that one but as as it relates to the expansion, I think more conversation needs to take place and as of today, I cannot support it as is. Again, I would love to see the Community Based Violence Intervention initiatives funded and that also come along with ShotSpotter as well and then address some of the capacity issues that I have as well. So with that being said, I just wanted people to know where I stood on the issue and I do appreciate everyone who has taken the time to call our office provide data provide information I failed to mention the data as well too is very clear that we do have concerns around the efficiency of ShotSpotter. And lastly, before I close I have to echo member Callaway if we are to vote on this day, this is not a no against this, me wanting Detroit to be safe, or my passion for public safety and and trade is just how we get there. And so I want that to be very clear. I know there's been some some talk around, you know, members wanting to defund the police. And if we don't support ShotSpotter we support defund the police. I'm not going to be pressured into supporting any technology, by fear. And so it's going to be data driven and it's going to be based on the concerns and issues that I have that are addressed. And so I do support DPD I do support our chief I do support public safety. However if we aren't supporting or we are going to vote on this today. I cannot be in support of of shot spotters. So with that being said, we can now turn it over to our chief there's nothing else before the committee or the council. Yes, member Young. Thank you, Mr. Prez. I just have a really quick question. The question for us right now. The first vote we're going to take is whether or not to delay this correct. There has not been a motion on the floor of member Santiago Ramiro has our floor with that, but that will be the motion of her motion. What was I just want to know what are we doing here? Because I just want to are we are we going to vote first to delay this for a week? Are we gonna vote to actually take this up because we're gonna vote to take this up? I want to speak to it. But we're just up here, you know, engaging and it's nice to gauge a debate but if we're not planning on voting today I just think we're just kind of dragging people along and I don't want to be that guy. So what are we doing today? So there was discussion originally, I think you may have stepped away to have a vote on postponement and that I don't think members entertain that motion and so members Santiago Romero has the floor to make a motion on the line items to see as her committee. Members, Santiago Romero. Thank you, Madam President. I will be making a motion to vote on both of these line items today. Once discussion is complete. I'm not sure if we wanted to have our chief make any final comments or responses to your to your comments. But my motion will be to vote on both my night on separately today. All right. If we can have our chief come back over please. Just remember young Thank you, man for it. So I just wanna make sure I just got this clear. Just you'll forgive me here. I just wanted to make sure for clarification, so we're gonna so the chairwoman will make a motion for us to take up this legislation today. So we're not going to entertain the motion to postpone this for a week. Because I thought that's what we want to do. Member young until the parliamentarian so member of Santiago Amuro can make a motion if that motion fails, and we could take up another motion to postpone or someone can make a nother motion which was supersede councilmembers Santiago's motion, if you can explain the process Dr. Powers if in fact the motion is to approve the contracts and you vote them down, then you can't take a motion to postpone them. No I was in a promotion feels right to approve if her motion is to approve the contracts and it fails and okay then then another motion is permitted. I'm sorry, I got a little confused. That member young Dr. Powers I'm sorry I maybe maybe I wasn't clear because because I understand the process but I just want to make sure I get this correct. So in the question I'm really trying to ask here is someone else can make a motion for us to take this back for a week, right? That's true. Anyone can make a motion. So so the question I'm asking here is, is there are we going to entertain for any members here, this body, the motion to delay this for a week first, before we take up the vote? That's I just want to know like what are we doing here? Because we're going to take up the vote that I want to speak to it, but if we're not we're just like your plan. You know, I don't think we should be wasting people's time here respectfully. So I disagree that anyone is playing. I know. No one is planning but you're out of order. Please, please. Remember, yeah, no one here is playing. We had over 90 people both calling in and come down in person to speak on this issue. So if every council member wanted to speak on it they have a right to speak on it and in no time is wasted. Yeah, yeah. So member Yeah. I understand the member Yeah, I understand if you can get the floor I actually had I asked for the floor you get down member you please let me finish what I'm saying. Please. Thank you, Mr. President. I appreciate your patience. What I am saying here is that we have been here talking about this issue, talking about this passionately. But I think it's wrong for us to have these debates and have these discussions and have these folks come down here and head will take time out of their lives. On this series issue where fathers have buried their sons and mothers have buried their daughters in infants have shed blood on the street for us to have this motion for us not to even vote on it today. That's what I'm saying. He's playing games. That's what I think he's wrong. And what I'm saying is, I just want to know, what is the outcome of today? Are we gonna vote this up or we're gonna delay this for a week? Because if we're gonna delay this for a week, I think it's unfortunate, and I think he's playing games with people's lives. Emotions, and it's wrong. That's what I'm saying. I am saying let's put our feet to the fire. Are we going to use the toilet or not? That is what I'm saying. And we owe it to the people here and the people in the hallway to have a direct answer. That's all I'm trying to say. Thank you. Thank you remember young and we can't get to that answer unless we vote on it. And so we're trying to get there. And let me just say, the public also deserves to know where we stand. The public deserves to know where we stand on issues. And if council wants to go down the line and express where they are so that people can have an understanding before we vote, how we feel. They have the opportunity to do that. And I don't think it's playing games at all. I respect everyone's time who came down here. This is a decision that is split. It's a tough vote, and people should have the opportunity to voice their concerns. It's not wasting anyone's time is not being disrespectful to anyone. We are going to vote today it is dependent upon us which direction we want to go and if you feel the way you feel, vote the way you would like to vote. All right. And so with that being said, I would like to bring our chief over so that he can make a couple of comments and then we can entertain a motion to either vote to postpone or vote to take the line item up today. Yes, Dr. Powers. I'd like to see something but I hope I don't confuse the issue. If Member Santiago Romero does make a motion to approve, then the next step would be discussion of that motion. And during that discussion, a motion could be made to postpone the vote. So it wouldn't be two separate steps. It would be a motion to approve. And during the discussion a number of member another member could be the second one will be the one that would be the one that would be voted on first statue. Thank you. You're welcome. Well, since I know that I think Dr. Powell was someone that was what I was going to add to it I mean if number young through you madam president would like to be the one that postpone or I mean, each and every one of us have an opportunity to to determine the direction of this vote. It's not one member to member. It's all of us. So I just wanted to make that point that Dr. Powers make. Thank you. All right. Thank you. We do have chief white that has joined us, Chief white, the floor is yours. Thank you. Good afternoon, counsel. I just want to take a couple of minutes of your time and I do appreciate you giving me the opportunity to speak. You know I've heard a lot of conversation today and I respect everyone's opinion, but I'm gonna speak as a police chief in the city of Detroit. A place I've worked 27 years. I've heard a lot about partnering with people. Well we partner with the Michigan State Police we partner with Wayne County Sheriff, and still today we had a Michigan State Police officers shot in our city and he is now in Sinai Grace hospital fighting for his life in critical condition. We buried an officer this year. Officer Lauren Cortes, who has two beautiful children a wife and he won't be able to go home anymore because he was shot by someone suffering from from mental illness. I totally understand the socio economic disadvantages that drive crime. I have spoken about it. I am educated in it. I'm myself a mental health professional. And I'm also a police chief I go to these runs every single day where we are losing our citizens in this community. And we are talking about technology as if it's a new thing yet everyone checks the boxes on these these social media sites. It says that you can have access to everything in my phone as long as I can. Post a picture. We have ring doorbells with audio on them at homes that the moment someone's home is broken into. We are trying to give that information to the police department to investigate and check who broke into their homes. When we look at ShotSpotter and we look at the impact of ShotSpotter the data is there. And for the cities that I don't work for I can't tell you what drives their decisions. I've talked to some some said we couldn't afford it. Some said that is not something that we wanted to use because we didn't make enough arrests and we didn't get enough guns. And I would argue that if you're only measurement of success with ShotSpotter is arrest the you are missing the boat when I look at the ninth precinct that is known in the streets jokingly as for eight to one die because so many people die in that town or in this town and that precinct and I look at the reductions that I've seen with ShotSpotter it's clear to me that yes, our five point plan is working and for someone who mentioned that we don't have a strategy or we don't have a plan when I took over as Chief. We were up 40% in homicides and 20% and non fatal shootings up as of today. We're down 14% Now not fatal shootings and 4% of homicides. But here's why I don't brag about that number, because still today, still today 2022 We have had 225 people in our city get murdered 225 people we have still had 700 730 people shot in this town. We should all be alarmed. We should all be concerned. And when we talk about who's going to be affected by that. I'm sure everyone saw that news report on Fox Two yesterday, where the guy pulls up his getting gas pulled out his gun shoots in the air bullets have to come down when they go up and pulls off as if he's not even concerned. These things can be done concurrently. Yes, we need services. Yes, we need mental health. Yes, we need social services we need homes for people. We need education. We need resources, and they will absolutely have an impact on crime. But why can't we run concurrently with those services and the tools that this police department needs to fight crime and to say that anything less would be irresponsible. We even have evolve detectors at at K Mac why? Because even though City Council myself and others have security. But we have evolved as an extra layer we have we have security systems on our home as an extra layer but because we have a security system on our home we don't leave our front doors on a lot. So the say that is an all or nothing approach. It's not an either either or it's an an and the and is important. The and is why we've got babies dying in homes while they're spending the night with their grandmother, the young lady that we are the young child that we had this summer, who goes to her mom's house decides that she wants to do what every grid what every child should do with their grandmother, I'm sorry, her grandmother's house and decides that she's going to spend the night have pizza and do tick tock videos. But while she's doing the Tick Tock video behind her home is another group of kids. And these kids are boys and girls who decide that they want to play with a gun that was left behind. So the first time that they walk out into the yard. They shoot in the air. Then they go back in the house. The second time they come out and mind you no one calls the police on the first time the second time they come out they shoot again. Then they go back in the house. Then they come out with two little girls who wants to learn how to shoot but this time the gun is levied at the house or level that the House adjacent to the house that they're shooting from because they don't know what they're doing. The bullet goes into the house. Here's just a child's body and she is now dead. And had we had ShotSpotter like ShotSpotter was active on the on the incident yesterday when the young man decided to dance and shoot a gun in our city. We can respond and we can stop someone from dying in our city. We have had 10 mass shootings in the city of Detroit this year. Already seven mass shootings all of last year. We need every tool that we can have at our disposal to save lives. Hold this department accountable for the responsible use. Hold this department responsible for how the warrants are submitted. We've got a prosecutor in Wayne County that you can't walk in with a ShotSpotter hit without the requisite investigation to get a warrant signed. ShotSpotter is nothing but an investigative lead. It has no video. It has no voice recordings. It responds to the percussion of a gunshot period. And that is a condition my god that everybody should be concerned about. This is not an auto alarm. This is murder or its attempt Someone is shooting a gun in our community. We should all be terrified. And we should all do everything we possibly can to ensure that that matter is being investigated. And if we know statistically the data is here that only 10% of the people call 911. We can argue all day long. Why that is? Yes, there are some people who don't trust the police. Absolutely. We need to do more work in that area. But also there are people who don't want to get involved. There are people who are afraid of retaliation. There are people who are prisoners in their own home because they know that the person down the street is quote shooting again. Those are the calls that I get. This tool allows us with pinpoint accuracy to go to that area within 80 to 90 feet know where the call comes from. And I want to say one last thing that I keep hearing about does quote good old fashioned police work. This is a time when we don't want people accosted. We don't want officers randomly stopping people. Well let me tell you what happens when someone calls 911 It says that I hear gunshots in a particular area. I don't know where but I'm at seven mile and evergreen and I've heard gunshots. So what we do is we assign a car to that veteran. They drive up and down the street and they quote look for a victim's be someone running see groups or others that may or may not be coming from an area where the shot was fired. That causes us to have to stop and investigate. And sometimes we get it right. But sometimes we don't. This just happens to be two or three people that are walking in the area where someone said the call or the shot came from with ShotSpotter we're able to go with pinpoint accuracy to the area. Look for shell casings titled shell casings to other crimes. Investigate the area where we have found victims. We have been able to to give emergency medical treatment, get them transported and conveyed and make arrest most recently, two brothers had a fight ShotSpotter hits two minutes before the 911 call comes in. We respond to that run we find one brother suffering from a gunshot wound Critical Condition unconscious. We do first aid we get them transported we arrest a brother who's trying to leave with a gun on him. And fentanyl. We get the gun off the street. We get the the victim some help. And yes it cost $7 million for what is the cost of life and when we see what is happening in our community. And if we're okay with always being number two and number three as the most violent city in America and that's okay. I would I would offer to you that you are not going to be able to beautify your way out of crime just like I cannot beautify my way or arrest my way out of crime. I cannot say here's a pretty building on the corner. So crime goes away because there's a pretty building or I've arrested the last criminal in the city of Detroit so crime will stop. That's absolutely not the fact that I'm very passionate about this issue. I apologize if my animation offends some but I've been up since one o'clock once again am on a shooting scene where I've got a police officer fighting for his life and an inexplicable violent act in this community. And I need this council to stand with me to to pound the table for what's right and not protect perpetrators of crime. But protect these victims of crime while supporting reducing crime by these additional services. It is not an either or it's an and I am all for the and and if the technology reduces crime. I am committed to you rolling it back. I am even committed to you saying I won't do three years I'll do one I'll do two years. But to say that this is a tool that doesn't work when I know we are able to save lives and I look at the crime trends. And I know that this city is one of the few major cities in America. That's reporting reduction at a time when crime is at its peak in this country is an irresponsible comment. And I'm not going to just sit back and say that it's okay when I know what's happening in our community. Thank you, Madam President, and all for allowing me to speak. Great. Thank you, Chief. We appreciate that Chief white. Alright, so I'm going to go back to Councilmember Santiago Ramiro go right ahead. Thank you, Madam President. Once again, I will be making a motion to vote on these separately. And I would like to thank everyone that came out today and called it in opposition to ARPA funding being spent on ShotSpotter some reasons to highlight that have already been used on why we shouldn't approve at least first of all, ShotSpotter and then using ARPA funding, the data that we have been shown has proven that it is inefficient. It has also been mentioned that ShotSpotter has it in their contract that they do not guarantee a reduction of crime. It is also in their contract that they will not work on the Fourth of July or New Year's Eve. Two we do not have a cost benefit analysis. Three sounds like as if it sounds as if it sounds as it sounds like if we did approve these contracts, we would not be in compliance with their civilian and put governance surveillance ordinance for having growing discomfort knowing that one of the biggest reasons why we have done shots in our neighborhoods. It is not due to violent crime, but it says DPD has confirmed it themselves. It is due to the fact that people can easily access and purchase guns. Many times residents are testing their guns or playing with them, which has led to lethal results. We what we need are real gun safe policies. I have yet to do my research but I want to know what kind of policies if any city council consent in place that will result to less guns on their streets. My fifth comments my fifth point is that 7 million of ARPA funding can be better spent on preventative and intervention programs and initiatives that prevent gunshots and violence from happening in the first place. We may be top a top city for violent crime, but we are also the poorest city in the country. And these funds should be going to Detroiters, not tech companies. We need to invest in our people. ShotSpotter is not here to solve all problems. They are here to profit from them. My family and I have been victims of gun violence and robbery. I desperately want to address violent crime in the city. But I want to do so by addressing the root causes of crime and I also want to be very clear. I'm also in support of DPD having what they need to perform their duties. I know that our officers are working every single day right now Miss risking their lives, and they're doing so without a finalized contract. We need to be focused on ensuring they have the security protection and proper compensation that they need to be doing the work that they're doing every single day. Instead of fighting for these expensive microphones. We should be making sure officers have what they need to conduct their work and make sure that we our residents have what they need to prevent crime from happening in the first place. It's been mentioned that we have great wraparound services like like ceasefire, but let's be honest, these are very poorly funded. We need to make sure that our funding is going to solutions. With that Madam president I motion to approve Milan 17.1. I'm asking for a roll call encouraging my colleagues to vote no discussion. All right. motion has been made discussion and Medora. Thank you, Madam President. As as we have went through this today, we heard that there are people on both sides of this and President Pro Tem articulated just the opportunity to come back look at the funding mechanism. There are folks who disagree with the funding mechanism. There are folks that may disagree with the location of where they're put. And I think it could have further discussion to make it better. Again, I cannot ignore the fact that members of my district residents on my district support it. And so I would like to make a motion to at least postpone line item 17.1 For one week to allow those discussions maybe come up with different funding mechanisms and come to a happy place. where folks can support it and or not. But I think it deserves further discussion from some of the suggestions that have been brought up today by other members. So that is my motion. Madam President. All right motion has been made any other discussion? On the motion to postpone for one week? All right, Hearing no objections to um Excuse me hearing no other discussion the motion has been made. Are there any objections to postpone the vote? Junction and this is for 17.1 is do a roll call. Councilmember Santiago Romero? Objection. Council President proximity? Yes. Councilmember waters? No. Councilmember wavefield? Callaway? No. Councilmember young. Yes. Council President Sheffield. Yes. Councilmember Benson. Councilmember Durazo Hall? Yes. Council member Johnson? Yes. Six yeas, three days. So That motion passes to postpone by an item 17.1 and Member Santiago. Amuro. We can move to 17.2. I make the same motion to approve and then 17.2. motion has been made for approval for line item 17.2. Are there any objections an objection? The cargo Please no. Sir. No. Objection. objection. Mr. Waters. Objection, the clerk went out. Never got a councilmember Callaway No, no no motion passes. All right line item 17.2 passes. All right, we can go back up to the agenda for the budget Finance and Audit standing committee from the office of the city clerk City Planning Commission, Councilmember dr. Hall two resolutions, line items 14.1 and 14.2. Councilmember Dora Hoff. Thank you Madam President. line item 14.1 is the resolution for authorization for a neighborhood enterprise certificate applications for the rehabilitation of a formal and former industrial building into a 92 unit residential apartment building, located at 450 Amsterdam and the New Amsterdam neighborhood enterprise zone area. I move for approval for line item 14.1. motion has been made for approval. Are there any objections? Yep, my I'm sorry. Before we move, actually a discussion of 14.1 I'm sorry. That Okay, okay, Madam President. I withdraw my previous motion. I have some notes here that we would like to actually postpone line item 14.1 for one week. Pardon me on that, Madam President. All right. So there's a motion to postpone line item 14.1. Any objections hearing now we will postpone line item 14.1. Then number ha Did you move 14.2? No, I did not Madam President. Mr. Clark, I'm sorry. Did you caught Did you move both 14.1 and 14? Okay. So remember there. Ha Thank you Madam President. line item 14.2 as a resolution for authorization for neighborhood enterprise zone certificate application for the rehabilitation of an existing building to create seven apartment units located at 603 East Milwaukee in the east. Grand Boulevard neighborhood enterprise zone area. Move for approval. motion has been made. Hearing no objections the warm side President Pro Tem No. Council President Pro Tem take 14.2 All right. The clerk would note hearing no other objections that resolution will be approved from the law department. This is for the internal operations standing committee. Councilmember Johnston seven resolutions, Landon's. 15.1 to 15.7. Member Johnson Thank you, Madam President Move for approval online items 15.1 through 15.7. motion has been made. Are there any objections? Hearing none, the seven resolutions will be approved. From the law department. Councilmember Johnson a resolution noting a roll call line item 15.8. Councilmember Johnson Thank you madam president moved to a motion has been made for approval and this is to schedule a closed session for Tuesday October 4 at 2pm The cargo please call the roll. Council President potentate? Yes. Councilmember waters. Yes. Councilmember Whitfield Callaway. Yes. Councilmember Young. No. Council President shift for you. Yes. Councilmember Benson. Yeah. Councilmember dirt Hall. Yes. Council member Johnson. Yes. Councilmember Santiago mayor. Yes. Eight yeas one day. That resolution will be approved from the law department. Councilmember Johnson a resolution noting a roll call line item 15 point. Councilmember Johnson Thank you, Madam President Move for approval. motion has been made for approval. And this is also to schedule a closed session for Tuesday, October 4 at 2:30pm. The clerk will please call the roll. Councilmember waters. Yes. Councilmember Whitfield Callaway. Yes. Councilmember Young's? Yeah. Council President Sheffield. Yes. Council member Benson. Council member Darryl Hall? Yes. Council member Johnson. Yes. Council Member Santiago Ramiro? Yes, council president pro tem Tate Yes. Seven yeas, two Nays. Right. That motion is approved. That resolution is approved for the Planning and Economic Development Standing Committee under unfitness business. Madam President. The clerk's office would like to note that on the agenda line item 16.1 is noted under councilmember council president pro tem Tate's name however, it should be in the name of council president Sheffield council president pro tem tait on behalf of council president Sheffield and ordinance noting a roll call line item 16.1. President Pro Tem take on the President I moved to take from the table an ordinance to amend chapter 22 of the 2019 Detroit city code housing Article Three inclusionary housing requirements by amending section 22 Dash three dash seven Detroit affordable housing development preservation fund by increasing the expected annual appropriation to the fun to equal 40% of net receipts for all commercial property sales during the previous fiscal year laid on the table June 28 2022. Hearing no objections that action will be taken council president potentate I move that the ordinance be placed on the order of third reading and considered read. Hearing no objections that action will be taken pro Tim Tate. president I move that the ordinance be passed as submitted. There being a roll call. With the clerk please call the roll. Councilmember Whitfield Callaway. Yes councilmember young? Yes. Council President Sheffield. Yes. Councilmember Benson. Councilmember dirt Hall? Yes. Council member Johnson? Yes. Councilmember Santiago Romero? Yes. Council President Pro Tem tea. Yes. Councilmember waters. Yes. Nine yeas, zero Nays. That ordinance is approved. President Pro Tem I move that the title of the ordinance be confirmed. Hearing no objections that action will be taken. And just want to thank all of my colleagues, just a reminder that this housing trust fund is for housing of families that are below the 50% area median income. And so when we talk about affordable housing, this fund is solely dedicated to providing units at 50% Ami and below and so we are now increasing that annual appropriation from 20 to 40%, which will call for more additional projects to be funded at that 50% Ami level and below. So thank you to my colleagues for your support and for wavering members waiver waiver has been requested. Are there any objections? Hearing none, that action will be taken to the Office of contracting and procurement. Madam president there's one contract up for vote today from the Planning and Economic Development Standing Committee. It is contract number 6004747 100%. City funding to provide a hoe and spoke model to develop worksites using Connect Detroit as the current Summer Youth Employment Coordinator. Contract is Detroit Employment Solutions core sort of 100 mile $2 million. And this contract is for housing and revitalization. Council President potentate a resolution line item 16.2 as an approach him tight and President Move approval line item 16.2. motion has been made. Are there any objections? Hearing none, the one resolution will be approved. From the housing and revitalization department council president pro tem tape for resolutions like 16.3 to 16.6. President Pro Tem tight President Move approval in line item 16.3 through 16.6. motion has been made for approval. Are there any objections discussion? Discussion? Yes Member Santiago Romero. Thank you just want to for some clarification, I believe this item was on our special sequestered agenda on last month of the first and it was approved. Just wondering if we can go over the history of this item and why we're seeing it again in our agenda. This is for this I'm sorry, this is for 16.3 Mr. Clerk President Obama made this may have to go to the OPD as well but it didn't it was not approved it has to lay on the table for 60 days. So if you want a better explanation LBD may be to you. Thank you. Okay, exactly. Yep. Okay. All right. motion has been made for approval. Are there any objections? Hearing none, the four resolutions will be approved. And if I can have a waiver, please on 16.4 Some examples Excuse me. 16.3. motion has been made. Hearing no objections that action will be taken. Madam president request for waiver on 16.4 motion has been made for a waiver 16.4 Hearing no objections. That action will be taking the amount of President if I may, for neglected to request a waiver from 14.2. Right motion has been made for 14.2 for a waiver, Hearing no objections. That action will be taken. From the planning and development department. Council President Bill 23 resolutions line and 16.7 to 16.9. President Pro Tem Tate President move approval of line item 16.7 through 16.9. motion has been made for approval and these are various property sales. Hearing no objections. The three resolutions will be approved. request a waiver for line item 16.7. Madam president motion has been made for a waiver. Are there any objections? Here Hearing none that action will be taken for the public health and safety standing committee. Madam president pops off as I like to note that when I'm 17.2 17.1 to 17.2 have already been handled. That leaves us with 11 contracts. up for vote today from the public health and safety Sandy coming. First up we have contract number 60007921 2% FTA. Funding amendment number one to provide an extension of time only to manage major DDOT facility construction projects. Contract is Detroit building authority total contract amount is $105 million. And this contract is for transportation. The next contract is contract number 30596591 2%. City funding to provide an emergency demolition for the residential property at 40. West Hollywood contract is a demo demolition company total contract amount $37,960. And this contract is for city demolition. The next contract is contract number 3059648 100%. City funding to provide an emergency demolition for the residential property at 4867 Dickerson contractors a demo demolition company total contract amount $63,300. And this contract is for city demolition. The next contract is contract number 3059574. Why don't you percent city funding to provide an emergency demolition for the residential property at at West Hollywood contract is a demo demolition company total contract amount $29,900. And this contract is for city demolition. The next contract is contract number 3058419 100% bond funding to ride demolition backfill grade and site finalization for property located at 14694 Spring Garden contract this guy on the company total contract amount $17,350. And this contract is for city demolition. The next contract is contract number 3046323 100%. Grant grant funding amendment number one to provide an increase of funds only for bus Tow Truck contractors Wolverine Freightliner Eastside Inc, total contract amount $445,798 And this contract is for transportation. The next contract is contract number 3059038 100%. City funding to provide an emergency demolition for the residential property at 3800. Love it. Contract is DMC consultants Inc total contract amount $27,720 And this contract is for city demolition. The next contract is contract number 3059043 100%. City funding to provide an emergency demolition for the residential property at 5099 Buckingham contract is DMC consultants Inc, total contract amount $31,590 And this contract is for city demolition. The next contract is contract number 3059295 100%. City funding to provide an emergency demolition. For the residents property at 15499. Patton contract is a demo demolition company total contract amount $30,400 And this is for city demolition. The next contract is contract number 3059487 100%. City funding to provide an emergency demolition for the residential property at 3930. Wabash contract is a demo demolition company total contract amount $46,550. And this contract is for city demolition. The last contract is contract number 3059843 100%. City funding to provide an emergency demolition. For the residential property at 13809. Got her contract is SC Environmental Services LLC. total contract amount to $24,887. And this contract is for a city demolition. Councilmember Santiago mayoral 11 resolutions line item 17.3 317 point 13. Councilmember Santiago Romero. Thank you Madam President. I motion to approve limit on 17.3 through 17 point 13 motion has been made for approval. Are there any objections? Objection, Madam Chair, member Callaway? Yes on line item 17.8. All right. If the clerk would note and President Pro Tem tape president no for me line item 17 point 13 article please note for note for both. Alright, any other objections? Hearing none, the 13th resolutions will be approved. We will now move to the new business portion of the agenda from the Office of contracting and procurement Madam President. There is one contract of vote today from the public health and safety Senate committee. On today's new business portion of the agenda. It is contract number 3060369 100%. Grant funding to write on call certified peer recovery specialists that aid with post overdose peer recovery coaching and transportation contract is class changing lives and staying sober. total contract amount $35,834. And this contract is for the health department. Councilmember Santiago mayoral was one resolution line item 18.1. Council Member Santiago Romero. Thank you Madam President motion to approve nm 18.1 motion has been made for approval. Are there any objections? Hearing none the one resolution will be approved. Right motion has been made for a waiver. Are there any objections? Hearing none, that action will be taken the office of contracting and procurement. Madam president there are four contracts up for vote today from the Neighborhood and Community Services standing committee. On today's new business portion of the agenda. First job we have contract number 6004615. This is an amended resolution 100% city funding to provide paint supplies, equipment and repair services contract is Sherwin Williams company total contract amount $407,004.78. And this contract is for general services. The next contract is contract number 6001245 100%. City funding amendment number two, to write an extension of time and an increase of funds for the management of golf courses. Contract is Signet golf associates to inc total contract amount $525,000 And this contract is for general services. The next contract is contract number 6004714. Once you present capital funding to write project management for the purchase, and installation of license plate readers software hardware upgrades for new fleet of vehicles contract is Detroit building authority total contract amount $1,348,830. And this contract is for municipal parking. The last contract is contract number 6002475. A to wanted to present 2018 UTG Oban funding amendment number two to provide an extension of time only to furnish all of the necessary improvements to formally implement the Detroit Police Department's vehicle towing initiative at the Grand River tow your contract is DMC consultants Inc. Amended contract amount is zero and this contract is for general services. Councilmember yame for resolutions line out 18.2 18.5 Thank you, customer Riang if you can you move for discussion, please. Okay, motion for discussion. Thank you. line item 18.4. We did submit a memo This is regarding the installation of license plate readers. We did submit a memo requesting a specification report and we have not received that specification report. So we are asking that this be postponed for one week. This does trigger the community government community input over government surveillance ordinance and so a specification report should have been submitted. So remember you and if you could motion to postpone this one to discuss first. Sure. Thank you, man. Pres Yeah, I was just getting ready to say that here and if we postpone it, I will just get it say should we just postpone it for two days since they were supposed to post this online for 14 days. I mean, if we receive that when that give them more time with an opportunity for us to be able to have that and meet that requirement. So we can't postpone for two weeks or two weeks or two weeks. Excuse me. Yeah, we can't postpone for two weeks at the formal session. It has to be a week at a time. Okay. So in that case, then, Madam President, I would like to request a motion for postpone line item 18.4 to allow the CI O G. 's report to be completed per ordinance and posted online for 14 days. So I like to request a motion post to I would like to request we know you got to request the motion or you have to request it but remember Young as before you continue. If we're going to allow the 14 day period to take place we may want to just send this back to committee you will do that instead of postponing it here at formal session. I know you want to postpone it while we postpone another weekend and come back. All right. Thank you, Madam President. I would like to request a motion to post to bring back line item 18 point for the committee to allow the CIO GS report to be completed per ordinance and post online for 14 days. All right motion has been made. Any any discussion? Yes. Member Benson. Yep, it's actually listed in the ordinance license plate readers. Yep. All right. Any further discussion? Yes, Member Santiago Romero. Thank you, Madam President. I too was going to ask to postpone 18.4. So I'm glad that we did but for 18.5 just have a quick question and wondering the reasons for the time extension. I want to give that to the restriction magnets administration that Okay, madam president to miss Bolton. Good afternoon Dr. Fortson on the behalf of the administration. I did not hear the question Could it please be repeated? Number young, longtime member Santiago. Hi, Miss Fulton. My question was what the purpose of the extension of time is for 18.5. Okay, thank you, Madam Chair through you to member Santiago. Romero. I believe the work has not yet been completed. And so we don't need additional monies. But we do need additional time to finish the work. And I'm not sure as to what the slowdown may have been. But with any construction or build outs we do know that there are sometimes unforeseen circumstances and so that's the extension of time to allow us to go through this contract. Okay, thank you. Absolutely. All right. Remember, you're young. You already moved these for approval? Yes. No, wait, no, I'm most afraid it's even worthwhile a motion. To 18.2 liter way through. So now. Moving on, Madam President. I would like to move to approve line item 18.2. Madam President, where was it going? I was having a lot of people talk. No point. Pardon me. I'm just saying point of order. And we vote on sending it back to committee. We vote on it. As Dr. Powers you the motion was made you you acknowledged the motion but then member Benson said discussion and you didn't actually call for the vote. Okay. Thank you so much. Thank you member Doha. Liberal young if you could take up line item 18.4 first. Okay, thank you, ma'am. I like to move line 18.4 back to committee. All right. motion has been made. Hearing no objections line item 18.4. We'll go back to committee and then member young go right ahead. Thank you, Madam President. I like to move to approve lines 18 point through 18.2 through 18.5. motion has been made. Are there any objections? Objection, Member Santiago Ramiro 18.2 The clerk would note all right hearing no other objections the resolutions will be approved. Right from the Office of the Chief Financial Officer Office of Development and grants. Councilmember younger resolution line item 18.6. Councilmember Young. Thank you, Madam President. I move to approve item 18.6. motion has been made for approval. Are there any objections? Hearing none b1 resolution will be approved. Under resolutions councilmember waters a resolution 9.7 Councilmember waters Thank you Madam President. Motion to approve of discussion discussion number waters All right. Thank you. You know as a as a breast cancer survivor, you know when I was diagnosed back in 2008, I decided I would not feel sorry for myself I would get busy working in in my community to address the disparities that that our people that black people black women, often face lots of experts researchers have traced health disparities back even to the to the slave trade. Many of you are familiar with the slave trade. So and we often talk to people in the community about stopping the silence Just because you may not have that health care insurance helps you to get a mammogram or or breast exam. It does not mean that you have to suffer in silence. Help us here there are resources that are available to you. And so when we were peak, we don't want to wear pink just because we look pretty at it. Although you know, we tend to look pretty in pink. So but this resolution, Madam President, I just want to read it because I want people to understand the purpose of wearing pink so that we can make sure that it's clear as the reason why and what we are supporting when we when we were this pink, whereas exhaustive research by the American Association for Cancer Research reveals that marginalized populations they are disproportionate burden of death and suffering by cancer including breast cancer, and way as poverty, illiteracy and structural racism, and the for profit healthcare industry prevent access to medical resources that enable early detection, thus placing marginalized Detroiters and a deadly cancer pipeline of silos suffering. And whereas over 30% of Detroit residents live below the federal poverty line. And where's over 80% of Detroit's population of people of color? With the overwhelming majority of those being black Americans, and whereas functional and literacy continues to devastate residents of Detroit at a pandemic level exceeding 40%. And whereas Detroit's long history of structural racism and systemic and justices included the I 375 highway that paved over wealth building opportunities for black Detroiters while eliminating generations of stable black families in those areas known as Black Bottom and Paradise Valley and whereas black Americans indisputably have the highest cancer death rate amongst all racial ethnic populations, and whereas black women die from breast cancer disproportionately more than women of other races, and whereas early detection of cancer save lives and warriors October is Breast Cancer Awareness Month. therefore be it resolved that his fourth, the first Tuesday of October shall be designated as Shea's a pink Tuesday and finally resolved that the city of Detroit employees will be asked to wear pink on shades of pink Tuesday with an understanding of this resolution and the challenges ahead for Detroit to save lives. And so, Madam President, I want to thank a one of my employees, Stacy, for coming up with the idea. She suggested that we do it amongst you know, council members, us and our staff but then I decided I said no, Stacy is onto something here. Let me just expand this to the entire city of Detroit because it's just that important. And so I want to thank her, we have to give credit where credit is due. So with that, I move approval, Madam President, thank you so much. Thank you member waters. Member Callaway. Yeah, thank you Madam Chair. I'd like to join you on your resolution. Cancer, took my mother's life and 2018 and cancer took my baby sister's life and 2019 Five months after my mother passed, and my baby sister was the roommate of Kamala Harris. Our sorority sister in May, we're on the same line. So I would absolutely like to join you in that resolution. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you. Thank you member waters. I would like to join you as well. As I mentioned to you. Both of my aunts on both sides of my family are survivors of breast cancer and so understand the need to continue to heighten the awareness around breast cancer and I join you in encouraging the many survivors to continue the fight and just spread awareness that there is treatment, there is opportunity and there is hope for those who are battling cancer. So thank you for all the work that you're doing. knew the waters around this issue as well. So I would love to join you as well. I'm sure this is going to be on behalf of the council. So yeah, all of us can wear pink. All right, the big member young guests. Thank you better present. It's a member waters I just want to say I do not look good wearing pink but I do support you and your efforts. And I think this is a very important issue, particularly with African American women who are more likely to not only contract cancer, but who are also four times more likely to die while being pregnant. And the reason why I'm bringing that up is because there is overwhelming statistics about black people who are more likely to die from these diseases. And so what you're doing is not just fighting against cancer is literally saving lives and getting the information that we can to protect it protect ourselves and not only deal with medical injustice, but also medical racism and keeping people alive. So I applaud you and I am honored to join you inside of being Senator on pink today. Thank you. So we could the clerk would note this is the name of the council. Madam President, request a waiver. We we have the vote on the first so remember water Yeah, remember water is moved for approval? Hearing no objections that resolution is approved. And member waters has also requested a waiver. Are there any objections? Hearing none, the motion is approved. All right before we go to our referrals, we do have a walk on a request for a walk on from my understanding. This is from this I always okay, member Johnson. Thank you Madam President. I'd like to make a motion to walk on contract number 6004539 On to the new business agenda for vote today. Right and colleagues, everyone should have a copy of the contract and Mr. Clerk you have a copy as well. I do. I discussion? Yeah. Thank you, Mr. President. Yeah, I would I would like an opportunity to review and go through because we got a few questions that we have regarding this particular contract after speaking to my team, so I would not be in supportive voting on it today. Unless there's unless there's a absolute desperate need to get it voted on today, but we would request an opportunity to get the questions answered. Thank you program. Take you pointed to Mr. Whittaker. Mr. Whitacre? Madam President, this contract came up during the risk management councils leaving on Friday. There was some sense of urgency expressed by do it in that meeting and several other members of the Risk Management Council to push this forward because there is a hole in our cybersecurity system without this contract being in place. This is for the city's protection. I probably is not I'm probably not the best person to address the issues if you have have some critical issues that you need to have address. You really do need to have the folks from do it here to address those issues. I asked him to come forward because of what was expressed at Risk Manager. There's been a hole and knowing the problems that the state not only the Detroit has, but all government institutions have with cybersecurity. Right Thank you, Mr. potentate. Know, I still would like to know what I'm voting down at this moment. Thank you, Mr. Johnson. Thank you, Madam President. Just based on the advice I know there was spirited discussion during iOS in regards to this item. Initially, there was a request to postpone the item or bring it back for a month. Within that time, the concern was raised about what Mr. Whittaker just indicated. And so, I would like to I would like to make make the motion to walk it on for a vote today. So it was in committee member Johnson. Yes. There was discussion in committee as well. Okay. So we just move in from the committee now to Okay. All right. All right. So the motion has been made to walk this on new business any other discussion? All right. Any objections? All right, hearing none, this will be added to new business for a vote. Mr. Clerk, Councilmember Johnson and resolution, contract number 6204539. Councilmember Johnson Thank you, Madam President Move for approval. motion has been made for approval. Are there any objections from President? President Protiviti President Pro Tem to Kirkwood no police and I'm president. Yes. Also an objection. The clerk with no zoning. Hearing no other objections that action will be taken. Right for the president's report when standing committee referrals and other matters for the internal operation standing committee, six reports from various city departments. The six reports will be referred to the internal operation standing committee for the Neighborhood and Community Services standing committee reports from various city departments. The five reports will be referred to the Neighborhood and Community Services standing committee for the public health and safety standing committee reports from the housing and valorisation department. Those reports will be referred to the public health and safety standing committee. Is that correct? It looks like it was planning. Yes. I'm sorry. Okay, well reports from various city departments. Alright, those four reports will be referred to the Planning and Economic Development standing committee and for the public health and safety standing committee. We have reports on various city departments. Those 12 reports will be referred to the public health and safety Standing Committee under the consent agenda. There are no items madam president will now move for memory ports, is there a motion to suspend? So, Madam President, I will say that there is a motion to suspend. Is there any objections? Member young any other objections? All right, that motion passes to suspend I will go ahead member dua. Thank you, Madam President. And I would like to do due to the nature of the contract we just passed. I would like to request a waiver for that previous motor contracts 004539 Yeah, unfortunately, I'm gonna have to object a waiver at this time. All right. Under adoption without committee reference, there are no items. Madam President, under communications from the clerk will report on approval of proceedings by the mayor. The report will be received and placed on file under testimonial resolutions and special privilege. No one has been President. All right. there being nothing else to come before us. I will see everyone this evening in District Four with councilmember Johnson at Grace Community Church at 7pm for our evening council meeting, this meeting will now stand adjourned.