Hey, y'all, welcome back to another episode of Black in the saddle podcast. I don't know if you recognize this face that is either beside me across me either way on the screen with me, but if you do not know, I am joined here today by Javon Turner of just believe youth. Welcome to the show Jamaat. Thank you. Thanks for having me. Of course, of course. Now, I when I was preparing this season, I said I want to really connect with people who are doing things in the community, and have conversations about the how, you know, the last few years, we've been talking about the what, oh, I want to have more diversity, I want to do more have a more inclusive environment, I want more people to be in the industry. Okay, but how, and you have done a lot of the how. So that is what I want to talk about today. So tell me a little bit about yourself, and tell me something that you are most passionate about.
About myself. I'm 35. Now live in Louisiana. Now, I've lived all over the United States. And I've just built a couple of different businesses all equine or cattle based. Based on passion. It's something that I saw that I really wanted to do. I'm not big on doing a bunch of stuff I don't want to do so I kind of bounced to the polls and just worked at it. Yeah, for sure. What was the second part of that question?
What are you most passionate about? Oh, man, it's
hard. It's a tie, either between youth services, and just equine disciplines for sure. I love starting horses. You know, I've finished a bunch of them. But my passion is for sure. Starting two year olds, putting good foundations on. And I think that, you know, relates directly to working with youth, you know, you set a good foundation and kids, the sky's the limit.
Yeah, yeah, I was just about to draw that connection. And so what got you into youth services in the first place
robos professionally for a long time got onto or the PBR went to the pro rodeos and stuff towards the you know, the buddy into my career. I just, you know, a really weighed on me, I was in airports every other day traveling, and the relationships were there, but they weren't. They were kind of superficial. You know, I felt like I was a superhero because I was talking to people in the airport, signing autographs, and stuff like that. But there was no substance because as soon as I left that city, or that town, or whatever it may be, you know, the relationship was left to either being on Facebook or Instagram, or I'll catch you next time I'm in town. And I just think over a long period of time, 15 years rolling on that just that started to weigh on me. I definitely think that once I kind of walked away from that, and decided that, you know, being so young, when I walked away from it, that there was a there was a big gap between the people who were pouring into me and the people I wanted to pour into. So I kind of stopped found myself as God had, like, dug it out. You know,
I love what you said about there being a big gap between the people that are pouring into you and the people that you wanted to pour into. And I literally titled this episode bridging the gap between education and experience. Because you literally do that with just believe. So tell us a little bit about that program and how it started versus what it is now.
So just believe it's a community diversion program? Well, let's put it like this. It started as a community diversion program from the places I was gone. It is definitely transferred, transformed into a nationwide diversion program. I've been able to do clinics and camps, you know, from one side of the country to another. And honestly, that originated when I was a little kid, I've had this vision, and I couldn't really put my finger on it. But you know, every couple of years I would have this dream and it would be the exact same dream. And as I've got older, you know, once every two or three years this drink comes in the middle of the day, I'll be doing something I'll just have like a quick 10 Second flash and I'm like, oh, yeah, I remember that. And it's literally been like the little light beam at the end of the tunnel saying like you're still on the right path. I just I remember winning in young when I wanted to start rodeo and I didn't grow up and that's you know, I grew up in a neighborhood that it was plagued with different things other than what I have now. So I remember having to like have poop scooping businesses cleaning gutters and doing all these kinds of things. They make entry free money. So I can get to the bull run. And it's like now that I get older, I realize there's so many men and women that allowed me to come work for them or sponsored me, so that I could do that. But if I wait until I'm 45 years old, 55 years old to do that, I'm gonna be missing a huge demographic of kids. So when I started seeing this, I think some of these kids around the neighborhood and stuff that I that I serve, and steal my aim, and you want to do some work, you want to make some money is legitimate, it's a good hustle, you're not gonna get in trouble with it. And as they started doing it, they were, you know, kind of wondering like, Well, why are we doing this with horses, but we can't ride, we can earn that privilege. If you haven't asked me to ride, like, I need to hear you say you want to do this, I'm not just handing out horse rides. And it just transformed into some of these kids, like, just, they're down, they enjoy doing this. And I've watched that, that culture here grow, I've watched that, that grow within the realm of just believe, and it's allowed me to, like, you know, see, these kids need something other than just riding horses, I feel like there's a million programs and not to take anything away from them. But there's a million writing programs where people are just so focused on we want to get these little black kids riding horses, stuff like that. But the thing is, when you can't just serve black kids, because that's not the only demographic there has to be something that integrates all these communities to where it's unified for one for two, riding horses is, is not a means of being successful. It's a means of therapy and enjoyment. But if you can take the same, you know, aspect and learn how to make money with it and be legitimate, learn how to employ your community off this, oh, yeah, that's a route. So um, we started doing that. And I just, I looked into what that meant. And that meant, you know, seeing my people have access to agricultural trades, if you were just ride horses every day, you're missing out on money between training care for cattle work, the background stuff, the industrial trades within all that surround agriculture, you know, and I think that once I started tapping into all the different things that I did growing up to try to make make it happen for six or eight months or a year, like, man, you got a lot of tools under your belt, like just kick it a little homies like this just a little bit. And the next thing you know, I've got people, you know, hey, I want to teach this, I want to teach it. So we came up with a curriculum, we use the horses to learn to speak to the behaviors of children. I don't do that by horse riding lessons, I do that by starting with coals. I teach these horses and I teach these kids how to teach the horses, and it sticks to a specific curriculum on hey, this horse responds because of this, you respond because it is. It's funny how those are the same, and then they start catching it. And then I started saying, like, hey, you know, now that we have this down, let's figure out if you just wanted to train horses on the side, what else could you do that would enable you to do this on a daily basis where you're not just slaving for somebody in the office or whatever it may be? If your passion is with horses and agriculture, what can you do to indulge yourself in this lifestyle to where when you come home and you're you're messing with your horse after work? It's not a chore? It's a privilege, because you've been doing all the rest of the hard work all day. That's grounds that you know, and it just it makes a difference because it breeds a culture not just and an avenue to get away. This is literally your lifestyle now.
You know what? And I've had to really just hold myself back from Yes, yes. Thank you. Thank you so much for that, because I think that's what, like you said, no shame, no harm, no foul. But for those of us who want to be in this industry, long term, you know, it's not just writing that fulfills us. It is I want this to I want to make an impact in this industry. I don't want to just ride horses, like, that's great. But how can we be in this industry have careers in this industry? Like I tell people all the time, you can take something and say that you do it for a particular type of people. And you're in that industry. I just saw something come across Facebook on how a lot of John Deere tractors, their operating systems are old in the grand scheme of the digital world. And they're easily hackable. When John Deere says you have to bring in your tractor in order for it to be serviced. You have computer engineers who have been able to hack in and solve these problems for farmers without them having to go directly to the source where I mean however far they may be. And so that changes the game you have computer programmers, computer engineers, impacting farmers directly putting the the ownership and the power of their own machinery back in their hands. That is a whole untapped market and people just people I feel like they think that that At farming and agriculture is just a completely separate world that's not dependent on anything else is going on. And it's like, Yo, you have no idea the possibility that is out there. So I absolutely commend you for not only understanding that there is this overlap, and it's getting kids into the industry itself, not just on a horse that will make a world of difference, and that will open up a whole new world for them.
And on top of that, like taking the things that they're already interested in, man, I can't tell you how many kids are on these games. But just like if you realize how much technologies and infuse in the agricultural world these days, you know, even from programming your computers that are cutting and fabricating metal, you know, like you can name things that you're passionate about already and figure out how to make a niche in the agricultural, the equine the cattle world, you know,
right. Right, right. And horses. You know, they're they are a vehicle for a lot of things, that the learning the connection point, you know, a lot of times that's the thing that initially piques the kids interests, right, like you said, they're like, Well, why don't we go right? Okay. Baby steps, friend, you have to learn things, and that it gives them a tangible, whereas so many, like traditional educational settings. They don't see that tangible. What's getting me to the other side is just homework project. Experiment making the connection. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So I think that is why or that's an opportunity. A lot of programs miss, that this the horses can be a vehicle to creating an impact in this industry that we I don't believe that we have actually seen the results of just yet actually intentionally getting kids into these trades. I feel like before, it was a matter of you have to your family does this, this is a survival thing. And then kids have a lot more of a choice. Now. I saw a little boy on your your page saying I think I think it was really he was like if I wanted to if I had to choose between college or doing a tray, I would do a trade. And I'm like, kids have not had a choice before. Before now.
vocational colleges, you need a college education. You need this, but I'm like, bro, for what what are you getting a college education for you walk out of their own money, you can literally step into this trade and like be employing 1015 people underneath you all because you've learned the trade, learn this trade, create an LLC and work at it. And that's that's the gist of what these these camps in these clinics that I host are. I want to teach you something clickable like that. I don't want you to be in debt, trying to learn this kind of stuff if you go in depth behind your equipment that's on you. But that is easily obtainable to make that money back if you're if you're working your craft. But the biggest thing is you need to know that the power is literally in your hands. That's freedom, the epitome of freedom, being able to be in control of your own time. There's no other like loving lifestyle that I can imagine other than being able to put people on to say, Hey, you are in control of your whole time.
Yeah, yeah, time freedom is something to aspire to. For sure. For sure. What is one of the most important resources that got you to where you are today? I know you talked about the people that have already poured into you, but is there anything else that has gotten you where you are today?
Um, honestly, I mean, that's a weird question on a couple levels, just because, you know, you have a, a actual resource that pours in but then you have a, you know, a mental aspect to that. I would definitely say mentorship has been one of the biggest things, you know, stepping away from riding bulls. The scary thing is, this is what I've known all my life, you know, to a place where I've had mentors, older men who encouraged me, you know, like, Hey, John, you know, I had a guy tell me one time, and this really what shifted, I mean, completely shifted everything for me. He told me, you know, God honors those that honor him with their talents, and he hung up in the front of my face, and I couldn't figure it out. He was like, Hey, I got a job offer for you. And I was like, I don't know. I don't know when 15 grand the next day Oh, yeah, no, I'm taking this job. He called me back a couple of months and told me the same thing he said tomorrow and I want you know, God honors those that honor him with their talents. And as I started plugging away at this and communicating with him more on this, you know, he was expressing like, Hey, your personality how you are with kids. That goes way further than Then you know what your you'll take away from rivals. And I think at that point when I started realizing the power that I already had, you know, that I didn't need anybody's approval, I don't need to go win an event to feel good, you know that I can literally pour into the people that was a game changer for me to make me want to like dive in this. And I think outside of that man truthfully struggled like I didn't I didn't come from this. I've had it dug it out for a long time, I've had to do a bunch of different stuff. There's not very many things that I'm not good at, you know, from welding to plumbing, anything, you know, and I think those little struggles along the way, have grown a like, what's the word? Perseverance? There you go. It's grown person to where? Take it or leave it either you're gonna sink or swim. And I think having having that behind me all my life has been like a big spurt, say like, Okay, this is what's in front of you, what are you gonna make with it? I'm not a lazy person at all. But I'm telling you, if there's one thing I dread, it's working for somebody I do not want to work for I despise it. So that coupled with good mentorship and struggling for a long time, has like just put me to a place where I'm like, Hey, you got to do this for you? And for other people that yeah, that was the biggest for sure. Yeah. To me a lot. I got a lot of good people. I can never take that away. But we're as much as people want to pour into you. They're only pouring into what they can see. You have inside a you know, in what you would put out. I think that was what tipped the scale. I had their help with mentorship, but I just I don't like struggling on like stuff being hard.
Yes, big facts. Big facts. Yeah. Well, despite you feeling like that was a weird question. That was a very good answer. And it doesn't have to be a, you know, like a tangible resource. That is a mentorship, which is going to be the topic of our next episode, I'm gonna need you to just stop getting ahead of us, okay. But, but that's been a game changer for for me as well. So I respect that I respect that and the struggle. I'm not even gonna say that I struggled a lot. But I had a father who struggled. So he was like, You're gonna learn how to do this, I don't care, girl, boy chicken, you're gonna learn how to do this. Because you're not gonna struggle like I did. So. So I know how to do lots of things.
My name is Marlon Turner. And this is just believe. We're a youth program. We host these really wild camps where kids get to kick loose, meet new friends, you know, city, kids, country, kids Mergent learn about each other. So we're kind of like the superhero camps. We learned about agricultural trades, horses, cattle, all sorts of that fun stuff. You know, we don't just do Western stuff. We go hiking, camping, fishing, kayaking, pretty much anything outdoors. So we're the middleman for the kids who can't, who don't have access to these opportunities. We find them we plug them in, we take them. It's been great so far. But this year, we have an opportunity to take to another level of professional instruction, higher quality trades, team challenges, awards. And with a little help from the right people.
The possibilities are endless.
You talked about how your personal experiences have impacted your community work. Tell us a little bit about some of the things have been going on a little bit later in your career. Cough Cough, the ultimate cowboys showdown. And how how or if it has had any impact on what you've got going on with just Billy,
who there's been a lot. I've got to do a lot of stunt work on movies. I train horses. Like I said, I start two year old as my big profession. I have a counseling agency that I've been putting together that the whole reason for the counseling agency only came about is because of where I live. And there's not a lot of people who can afford to do this kind of stuff with horses, they can't afford it therapy like it costs a lot. So I've focused more so with that on the mentorship aspect. And that gives a reason for, you know, my nonprofit to be able to cover some of this. But the thing is like when you go through another third party, you're kind of at their disposal. So I'm just like, I'm not doing that. So I started my own counseling agency so that I can figure out a way to get these kids doing this through my nonprofit and we could write it all off. It works out for everybody. That's been a huge thing for me. Just kind of find loopholes on ways to get the community connected into where they can afford it. You know, the nonprofit sponsors a lot of things that can fund these kids that Come get the services, after school programs, tutoring, all sorts of stuff like that. And just having the nonprofit is really what was my big goal? The ultimate cowboy, that was a great experience. I definitely am very proud of how that turned out. Because, you know, people, you know, we I think that I definitely represented myself well on there. I think I definitely represented our culture. Well, there was no offense and buts that I had a lot of integrity on that show, I never had a bad talk anybody. I did lose my cool one time, but the man had to come and I didn't put my hands on. So we're good. But that was a good opportunity to one showcase, not just talent, but you know, we get showcase in the rodeo world, or, you know, Western world, the show world. But just every day, being a cowboy and making a living feed in America, nobody sees that there's people that look like us in there. So I think that that was a big thing for me. If there was more than I was, I was happy with the results. But I think I was more happy with the outpour of support that I've had the messages that came in from kids, dads, moms, like, hey, my kid looks up to you. Because at the end of the day, this is what I'm here for, like I, I got 150 $1,000 for the cattle. But I mean, I've made way more than $50,000 Since then, because of the you know, the sponsorships and corporate Titans and stuff like that. It was a unique experience on a personal level, mainly because having just like I said, I keep using this phrase sticking it out. But that is what it has been. So learning this and being able to put myself in competition with, you know, 14 other cowboys across the nation. And do as well as I did. That was kind of, for me, like, yeah, you're in there. Don't worry about it, just keep learning and keep growing. It was a humbling moment and some other aspects. Because I've seen areas where I would still like to continue my education and my growth. Not so that I can be like the ultimate cowboy, but more so so that when I pass on this information to next people, everything I'm telling them and I can articulate the right information, everybody.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that is, that is dope. Um, something you said, or just kind of the overall picture of your journey to where you are today. You have really had to put yourself out there. More than a lot of people tend to, you know, there's, I'm sure you deal with lugging it out, but also the, I want to say insecurity of like, what if, what if it doesn't go the way I want it? What if I, it doesn't kind of look like that, that light at the end of the tunnel, that dream that you have? How do you manage that? How do you manage doing it anyway?
Um, that I don't I don't know, who think that answer that. I feel like more so that is that's that that came with just my upbringing. You know? I'm not gonna, how can I work this because I want to be the most appropriate. So there was a lot of gangbangers around when I that I, when I grew up, my parents did a great job of raising me in a great place. But me being a boy and having the friends I did, I was surrounded by I seen it, but I think that hanging out with them because that was my people group and being different. I had a target on me regardless, you know, so learning how to manage that at a young age. Now, it's like it comes second nature, it comes second, indifferent. Second Nature, just saying, you know, what, what if they laugh, who cares? Like, we check pocket books, or we can take check talents, we can check, you know, ability, intellectual ability, whatever it may be, but I feel like in all those areas where there's been a place where I was inadequate at some point to somebody else, I've worked at it because I don't like that feeling. I wrote books for a long time because I was scared. So being scared of something is is a driving force me kind of nags at me. And I think that insecurities and all that fall into the same room, if you're in tears because there's something that you're fearful of other people's thoughts, emotions, feelings, maybe there's something inside of you that you're not willing to face, but all that together is it just comes down to like you don't have a choice. You either can sit back and I don't know how to explain that to people you can sit back and deal with or you can stand up and deal with it but only one of those are going to get you moving forward. You're not gonna go nowhere sitting down you're you know, if you stand up and deal with it, at least your heads on a swivel, you know, and you can you can move Bob your feet around, do what you got to to adjust, but if you're sitting there stagnant, you're always going to be in a place of I haven't even got up yet. You You know, I just never made sense to me, it never made sense to me, I watch guys, you know, hustle and do all sorts of stuff. But you know, Fast Money always came and went. And I just none of that made sense to me. And it was more scary to be in a place to be surrounded and be doing the same stuff that they were doing in the same trouble than it did to just say, hey, put on some boots walk in the hood, and who cares what they say, you know, and then when it got to a point to where I really figured, like, Hey, I was doing good at this. Oh, you can tell me that by my junior. I'm flying at a you know, junior and senior year, I'm flying that all at a school on how to enter the airport on a Thursday and Friday going into events, you know, and all these kids are still sitting in class and I'm coming back with checks, you know? What am I gonna be insecure for? Like these people are literally upset because I'm doing something that they're they're not brave enough to do you know, that they wouldn't dare try. But my only other result if I didn't was I'll sit in the classroom and have to go to class with them on Fridays be talking about the same stuff twiddling my same thumbs wearing the same thing. I just didn't interest me. It never did. Like, I can't see it's always worked out. Because I mean, there's still places I go, that it's just this, the western lifestyle is not for everybody. It was really hard in the dating pool. It is really, really hard. In the dating pool, the lifestyle that I live, but in the same sense,
that dating pool has pee in it. Okay, nobody trying.
It's hard, though it is it has been very hard. But it's just one. I know. I'm secure in what I do. So at the end of the day, as long as I'm adamant about that, like God's gonna put them in front of me for sure.
Absolutely. Thank you, Jesus. So at the end of the day, what what does Jim mons life in 1015 20 years look like? What is that like
this game? No, honestly, I'm putting some stuff in the works now because I want to have a facility that you know, it, it breeds a different culture. And I My plan is right now I'm looking at some different places that I'm working partnerships with, they have a couple of years across the United States. As I've been working, these camps have been growing a lot of good relationships. And I've got some people who are really tied on to say, hey, this could be beneficial in the long run. If I could put this on paper, which I have done, trust me. And that's my biggest advice to somebody put it on paper. It looks like being intentional about each one of your moves. Don't be afraid to make mistake, but be intentional. And in 15 years of being intentional 10 years of being intentional, I see myself being able to kick back and pour into the younger kids to let them do the job that I'm doing. Now I got kids that are you know, coming up under me now that in five or six years, they should be able to take hold of some of these programs and run certain aspects of this. And you know, as a body, all of us working together, I should be able to step away from this and be able to coach from a distance, the coaching instruction that I do now shouldn't look the same. It shouldn't be me still on the ground level, trying to hold people's hands and get them there. I should have a very structured infrastructure that says hey, this is how we run our clinics, you are 17 years old, you fall into this pool you've been you're 25 Now you've been working with for 10 years, you know what to expect to where each one of these kids like they have their own place of employment, they have their own role within just believe. I definitely see this as something that it's not just a series of camps, ideally like to have a home where kids can come for six to eight weeks, whether that be in the summertime, whether that can be for diversion, juvenile service assistance, where they can come in, they can learn four or five different trades school runs on an 18 weeks 18 week halves. So every nine weeks, you know, let's get you a different certification to where let's say kids that are in Juvenile Services, instead of them being locked up and spending 40 some $1,000 to keep them locked up less than $40,000 and walk away with three different you know, certifications. I don't care if you don't want to go back to school that I get that that's cool, but you can't walk around and not do nothing. So at least if I can create a facility that nurtures that I can turn out 150 200 kids a year in agricultural trades, you know, that are all funded by my program. Government entities whatever it may be, but yeah, that's yeah, that's what's gonna happen 15 years market
I'm excited. You know what, and I'm gonna say I call him in the beginning on the podcast in the beginning No, just kidding.
I don't care to be famous for this. I really like to be like a silent face in the back. I've had to work transforming the image of just believe from my personal brand to its own thing and I'm trying to still believe but you know, the works in the background for so that that part is super important to me that just believe is self sufficient on its own.
Mm hmm. salutely Absolutely. Give me some insight into how you learned to create structures like this. Like you said, failing.
Right writing stuff down, like if you fail at it on paper, you know what you did? You know, and I think that I don't see how people miss it so much. Maybe they're just not taught it, but like, at some point have screwed up so many times, you're gonna want to figure out like, what did I do wrong? You know? So I think failing has been what's built that structure, I see what works, see what doesn't work. You know, I've had kids that I started with, who, you know, I've had to walk away from, let me tell you. So there was I was when I, when I first moved here to court, I was doing a bunch of different stuff, I walked away from a lot of that, and I started substitute teaching. Never in my life, do I want to be a substitute teacher or regular teacher, I do not want to be in a classroom. I don't I hate it. But I did this so that I could build relationships with throughout the community. And some of that goes back to what you said about you know, taking those insecurities, throwing them out the window for what you want my own failures, and then seeing some of the kids that I've dealt with coming in out of my classroom, be misplaced, from different homes to Juvenile Services, get back at it do not service, I'm going to pick them up next, you know, seeing them in class on Monday, all that together. I'm like, okay, so this works. This, this part works. But this part here doesn't work. Because I can see your kids like you are going to fail. You don't have the structure at home to say, hey, well, I can give you all that you can't take it all at one time. I think outside of failure, I think learning, compassion, and studying and my people studying the people that I'm certain who you are, you can put together all the writing programs you want to all the services throughout communities. But if you're if you're doing it on a broad spectrum, and you're not studying the communities that you're serving, you're lacking. You know, I've been places where these kids got everything they want to but it's just a whole bunch of gangbanging. But half the kids, they don't even know how to do their own hair. They their parents don't have access to, you know, health services that serve lower income families, learning and studying your community, and what kinds of things to offer each play. Each place has been built right there with failing, you know, it makes it personal, you know, I'm not just gonna pull up and like, Hey, guys, this is what we do. We're just riding horses, you know? And I'm gonna give you these trades, because you know, what, if there's nobody in that area to show Stranger, that's not huge. I'm just giving them an experience, that doesn't make no sense. I need to give them something that's lasting that they can work with. So yeah, I would definitely say failure and studying your environment.
Yes, I love it. I love that. So tell me what does black in the saddle mean to you?
Um, when I hear that I think of like, you know, pioneers traveling out with starting something brand new, which granted, we're not starting brand new, there's been black men and women that have cowboy and you know, dealt with horses horsemen since before I could ever even imagine. But in that there's always a level of being a pioneer because things change, you know, accessibility changes, availability changes, being able to create and establish new ways of keeping a group of people that were brought here to cultivate this land we literally know nothing about agriculture anymore involved in this is it's tricky. So when I think about being black in the saddle, I think about being a leader and a pioneer for alternative ways of life. Let's put it like that. Like it's to me honestly, being black instead of has nothing to do just riding horses. Like you said, this is an avenue if I can get a little black kid in a saddle I can open his mind to everything else that comes across there. Whether that be from the person cleaning saddles, making saddles, cleaning more shoes, making sure shoes, you know building bars, whatever it may be, it's the thing is like I gotta give them the I gotta use being a black kid that doesn't have that opportunity. As an a way to get them there. I have to make that to be the accessible part. Yeah, yeah, it means diversity. It means being different. Oh, man, there's just so much that surrounds black people in this culture that some are good things. Some are bad stereotypes. You know, I think that yeah, that's a really really hard question. I was never thought about that anymore. Um,
well, your answer was amazing. You keep saying these questions are hard and then delivering impeccable answers. So you know, I'm alright with it. Huh, But
I'll leave it at that. That's what that means to me.
And I think that's enough. I think that's enough truly. That is exactly the the essence of this redirection. You know, like you were talking about earlier, being intentional about the, the conversations that we have and the work that we put in and the things that we build is just so much more important going forward, especially when you have goals of making a difference in a particular community. So, I think that was beautiful, beautiful. Let the people know where they can learn more about just believe connect with you learn more about your programs, all of that stuff.
Alright, so I need a pen and paper because I'm easily accessible. There's a lot of ways guy. First is can you still see me? Yes. Um, first is just believe training on Facebook. That page on that can't be just believe youth on wood. Yeah, just believe us on Instagram. I have a website, just believe training.com And an email just Billy training@gmail.com. They all start with just believe they're super easy to figure out. They have a personal page, I believe is y'all to try to find that though. I respond off the disbelief pages for sure. Send me a DM PM, whatever you want to call it. I have a lot of camps coming up. So I really want to spread the word. And this is the hard part about this is because as a people, we're used to doing what's comfortable and what's easily accessible. But I are on camps all across the United States. And I will tell you, in every other parent across this country, you want your kid to learn something and be diverse. Let them see different parts travel breaks a world of prejudice, it just tears it apart. I got kids that fly in from California to some of these different camps. You know, we got some sponsors that come together. And I'm definitely looking for sponsors to help get some of these kids there. But getting these kids on planes with chaperones to say like, Hey, you can show up to the next camp in Tulsa on September 16. We're learning a couple of different trades in a different couple of different clinics, getting kids to where they're able to get there. That yeah, yeah, I think that's the easiest way to get a hold of me show up to one of my camps. Spend some time Let me pour in you pour into your kids. And you guys can see like, Hey, this is what this program is really about. You know, you can look on my web page and see my website and see some of the testimonials of different kids all different shapes, sizes, colors, Creed's all that they're learning the same thing. It's tangible knowledge that they're keeping with them. So yeah, so aside from social media below.
Yes, pull up. I'm gonna have to check your schedule, because I'm black in the saddle podcast as a community. We're starting to do meetups. We have our first one in Virginia. We're gonna go. So I, at first, it was like, oh, yeah, let's meet up at like a rodeo. Let's meet up here. Let's meet up there. And it's like, yeah, that's great. You know, those are those are great environments. But a little bit of a nerd. Like, I want to learn something new. You know, I want to go experience that thing. So we're gonna go and watch the Chincoteague ponies pinning in Virginia. And watch them round them up, vaccinate them check for new babies ID new baby stuff like that. Like I want new experiences. So we're putting together a
good shot but I got a challenge for you and you want new experiences. I think that you should get you some of your entourage I know you I'm positive you got to know some kids in your community who could benefit from these you want to experience come to some of these camps come to the Western playground. They're huge events. They're three events, sometimes our camp outs these kids adults, everybody can have a chance to learn three or four different trades three or four different clinics. They're super handy. We have horse training competitions that go with that huge obstacle courses that go over 30 Something acres for each one you know it's cool to go watch stuff and learn but it's cool to learn hands on so that is my challenge. Bring it find a couple kids and I will even make you one better if you can bring three kids I will personally sponsor all of their tuition only thing that you have to figure out is how to get them there. I suggest that you challenge a couple other people in your network to do the same thing reach out to me and I got about six spaces that I'm willing to pay for myself for these kids that come sponsors that are donating So like right now the tuition going for a three day camp is usually four or $500 Right it's 90 bucks for three days all the foods you can eat all the clinics you can take all the trades you can take their experience
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steel coasters are net One, just September 16 17th. I'm currently working with the black coalition or black cowboy Coalition. We have a couple camps coming. Well, we're planning one in Charlotte. I have one coming. Hello,
hello. I'll be there. I'll be there in Charlotte. Okay, any but a two hour drive. I'll be there.
Bartlett and Memphis. And then we have one going that we're planning right now for Oakland, California in February. So, all over we've been from Denver to Houston to Where else will be goes this summer. Austin, Shreveport. We're going to Fort Smith Arkansas. Yeah, so we are all over.
Okay. Sounds perfect. Perfect. I will meet you in Charlotte, at minimum, but I'm okay with going other places too. So, thank you for that challenge. To all of our listeners. You heard that right. When I started talking about it in the Black Lives Matter community, donate like this is your first time hearing about Okay. Thank you, Gemma's so much for coming on the podcast today. I am so proud of the work that you were doing. And I am I'm here to support all the things
