MICRC, Commission Meeting part 2 (missed 11:30am-noon)
4:03PM May 16, +0000
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with us and the public know and can analyze this data further the only reason I said 377 is because that is one of the more recent ones that had a four on the VRA analysis. So we can look at all those and then we can look at more can look at the ones with the partisan fairness numbers, we can look at the ones that might be better on communities and go from there. At least we'll get down from like 30 hopefully to, you know, around I don't know, it'll be less than 30.
So we'll give Mr. Morgan a minute to get that up.
Okay. Yeah, I think the limiting factor will be that each of these maps will be a PDF and then I have to insert the PDF into PowerPoint, which is doable and just take a little bit of time here
Alright, so let me just start with sharing the screen and just looking at our source material here real quick.
Okay, so again, I can bring things up into the Autobahn edge, and then on the website, you can refer to it by the plan number, you have your additional information on the provenance of the various plans. But for example, you said 377 was one you wanted to look at. So we go few and then here is the the map have that. Okay, so then that'll give you a view of the actual map. All right. And then if you want, I do have those vra maps but maybe this isn't the time for that. And then, if I bring up a PowerPoint, let me skip this. I should be able to insert this as a graphic and then put it into a PowerPoint. So you can like this is different slide but like you can put two things side by side. Right. Let's just go back to can you just go back to the picture of the map? Right. Okay. So so the quickest thing to do right now is just to go off the website and just show you each individual PowerPoint and then if you want me to assemble a comparison I can,
right? So this one, correct me if I'm wrong. But this is one of the configurations that tried to keep seven mostly the same, and it has the configuration of one three and eight that splits up Hamtramck from Highland Park, right. That's kind of like the the identifiers here more or less. I believe. Commissioners Attala worked on this one last, and I believe it was based off of what we're looking at is 377 I believe it was based off of 364 which is five 724 version two commissioners Itala. Does that sound right to you?
Um, possibly I might have gone back to the original map though to do this the the four version but yes, the goal was to keep district seven, primarily the same in district nine primarily the same because that had been changed in a lot of maps and I wanted a map with those preserved. Okay,
do you think this is the most updated version? of that configuration?
Well, I think the other question is that you said it's 423 and 424. Were the predecessors
is that right? Yeah. So I have and, Megan, if you could please correct me if I'm wrong with any of the tools you have. Yeah, I have before this, it was five, eight, version two. And then that came from 424 version four, which came from for 20 For version two. And which came from 423 version one.
So I guess my perspective is this is the most recent map. But I would not boot for 24. So we're 24 version four. I would not discard that because this map has changes to it. So I still think we need to keep both of those in the running. Okay,
can we pull up that map? The one that commissioners Atella just referenced. Okay. For 24
Oh, it's 344 Is that helps you?
So I've got this spreadsheet here. I don't have all the other spreadsheets and word documents you have but I have this tracking sheet so 344.
Night our Commissioner line has her hand. Where's the commissioner Lang? Well, John's looking for that. I have a quick question too. Are we going to get to view the individual submissions that were submitted that we haven't seen yet either because I believe a couple of those scored pretty good to missioner Orton scored pretty well. So I'm just curious, will we have time to look at those also.
I mean, I'm sure we'll have time to do that. That the individual ones don't usually get the the naming convention that we that we use. Right it sticks as the individual Commissioners map. I think right now we're speaking about how to organize the collaborative ones in a way that makes sense to the public. And for us when we look at it further. Well, we're gonna look at them. They're out there. The data is there. We did receive a little while ago the partisan fairness and vra analysis presentations. Okay, so if you compare these two jobs side by side, so we have version four there
are pretty significant differences. So 11 and 12 are different in both versions. One is the more complete lake shore up around Tarzan's Island. The other is not the other has at Sterling Heights for Sterling Heights, Rosedale. Oh my god, I can't talk rosewood, a corridor that the real estate agent was talking about there's also some changes to the line in Detroit. So no, I would not say one is an improved version. I'd say there are two variations.
Yes, they do look pretty different to me as well. District Six was quite a bit different district 11 And while are a bit different, one keeps the Lakeshore one doesn't. And And 13 is different as well.
And southern southern has Oak Park and with Southfield
and both of these had were fours on the VRA analysis. As far as the partisan fairness numbers, they're a little higher than some of the other ones but not too bad. So what do we think do we want to give each of these a separate name? Commissioners
so 344 is the one that had the high efficiency gap 4.6. So I consider that pretty high, and I would I would kick it based on that honestly.
Okay. Commissioner Andrade
No I was just trying to say that as different as a I was probably keep them in separate things and going forward, look at some of the major changes like that lake shore. District 11 and 12. Or like the splits and try and look more specifically at those and then categorize them in that way. At this point I would not get rid of either one just yet. We're at the beginning
then would you like to give them a name Anthony?
Well, I mean, if we all think 377 I think we can all agree right now that 377 should get one. Right? I mean, you you're the one that worked on both of these commissioners upon us. So if you're saying you know, you don't think 344 You know, is deserving a one via the metrics that we have. I don't see a reason to just create more for a map if nobody wants to go to bat for it. You know what I mean? Commissioner Callahan and the commissioner Orton
Yeah, commissioners to tell I was just wondering, who did you collaborate with on these maps?
Um, everybody, I mean, I drew them in a meeting and they were based off of what was it for 2423 for 24. And then for 20 For version two. So I think everybody has touched this map at one point or another.
Yeah, but I mean, there was a lot of touching at the end. That was you. I'm not sure there's too much left from a collaboration standpoint. It's pretty much alza tele
No, it's not
Misha Orton.
Yeah, I'm, I'm just thinking for me. It's a little hard to remember them all. Until we're going through them. So I would say if we are comparing like this, and people or someone you know really likes one then fine, we name it and we say it's going forward and then at the end, but not say that. We're discarding any of them yet. And at the end, if anyone wants to bring one forward that they realized they did like and they want to keep, then they can do that. I think it's premature like someone said to completely discard any at this point. Until we see them all.
Okay. And we're not just to be clear, we're not getting rid of anything right now. We're trying to organize these in a way that makes sense. Right? So 377 That's the most updated kind of version of this family. 344 has a we can look at 344 later, it's been done with 377 right now. i You see Commissioner laying and commissioners Atella and Commissioner curry. Go ahead Commissioner lane.
Okay, two things I do like 377 because it also keeps that Lake Shore community of interests that we heard about so much. My other question would be I'm kind of curious with the two maps, how many districts were changed. I know the first time around with the house map. That was kind of our big thing. At one point. You know, some wanted fewer changes. Some wanted more changes. Do we know how many districts were changed, above and beyond? What we had to change?
So I'm 377 15 districts are changed total 344 12 districts total or change?
Okay, thank you very much.
That's the total remember, we had to change six. Correct. Thank you. Commissioners Itala.
So I'm just to put it on the record for what was changed in 377 and where it came from. So these changes were directly out of public comment. 12 was reconfigured. Back to the foul lake shore based on public comments asking that that change be made so I changed it from 344 to redraw that lake shore district that required some juggling on 11 which also affected 24 and other districts out there as well. So and then this also tries to preserve Sterling Heights with Fraser as well because that was another public comment that we had received in terms of six. As you can see, I altered that to make Farmington Hills Whole Again, that was coming directly from public comment Lavonia is still made whole. And then the district five which is Canton, was also changed based on public comment that we received from both Romulus and also from Belleville Van Buren township about wanting to be with Huron not being moved up into district five. So that again came directly out of public comments. And so those changes were made there. And then we had also received other public comments about not wanting as much crossing of primarily, Oakland County, Macomb districts and taking a little bit of Detroit, and that's how 344 was structured. And so I changed that structure as well and cause some adjustments there. And then the last thing I did is I reunited that Jewish community of interest in Oak Park by putting it into Southfields. So it's almost entirely based on public comment these changes that were made.
Okay, I appreciate the comments. I do. But I we're not we don't need to defend the maps map right now. We're not choosing any maps, just trying to organize it. Right. So let's keep the comments on if we like a map or not, we don't we don't need to do that. Right now. We're comparing we're trying to get the most recent and updated versions of the maps out there in a way that makes sense. For sure on driving.
Named 377 Yeah,
that's what I was gonna do. Thank you. So bird names everyone okay with that.
Department of State, do you have any burden names for us to use by chance?
me one moment and I'll come up with
and then now once we get this, there's a further update to 377 Right? We can just do the same name and do V two. That way the public knows the, at least from this point the progression
Do you want to just use Robin for this one?
Works for me.
377 is now called
Okay, Robin, wonderful
Okay, I see also on this list of ones that were for, for the VRA I see five 920 For version two. Which is.
374
Okay, if I recall correctly. This was the start of one that Commissioner column and Commissioner Mel do and we're working on. Does that look correct? To you, Commissioner column
Say that again. I'm sorry. To me, this
looks like the start of the configuration that you and Commissioner mole do and had started working on. It has that that district one that goes from the river from down river up until all the way through the Detroit River through Belle Isle up to Grosse Pointe. And I have it being similar to 71 371. And then it turned into 374 and then 376.
Yeah, and I think this will be an opportunity if you wanted to to use Megan's bowl chart simply because I think that family of maps was smaller. And so you can verify what you and I just said, but I believe that's correct.
Sure, could you pull that up? No. Sure.
Yes, just one moment.
Okay, which plan are you looking for?
On the left side
date?
there for right there above where your cursor is? That I think that's the section.
So that's Oh 5092 For version four. That came from? Oh, 5082 for version four. And then Oh 5072 For version eight. And the first was? Oh 5022 For version two.
Okay, that's very helpful. Next to this one, can you pull up
sorry, I just lost mice 376 the updated version of it. So 376 is 529 24 version four.
Okay, 376 Yes.
And 374
Brett and this is the family again that pressure to column and we'll do and we're working on last week
so something a little interesting. 374 has four under the primary pool for the VRA but 376 has three so that's something to point out. Commissioner has Tolo Yeah, I
was just gonna say the same thing. It has three for the 376 instead of four. And then that District Six is very, very similar to the Linden and the 376, which I think is a little concerning.
When we pull up 371
Okay 371
Okay, I just wanted to see what this looks like. The other iterations varied how between 10 and eight. That's what I remember. So I just was looking at that.
So I think what we're looking now is between 374 and 376. Right one was a more updated version of it. But scores a little bit less on one metric. I'm not sure how it scores on the other metrics. Do you think they're different enough to both get a different Robin name or do you want just one of them
to have one?
To me it seems like 374 Since that score is four you probably want to do that. But if you want to do both, that is that's cool too. Let me check the partisan fairness on both of them real quick.
Which map came first which one is the which one is that tweet version of the other one because that the northern suburbs are very different.
Oh, the one on the right is 371. That's the one where missioner McDonough Massa myself and I think I can't remember I think there are one or two other commissioners that take touch the one on the right. But every one after that started to cross eight mile and affect communities of interest in a way that I did. Not prefer though I'm not super crazy about six. The goal of this one, though, we're not defending this as the explanation the goal of the one on the right was to create a different configuration for Detroit.
So the seven nine are completely flipped here.
And well. Sorry, Commissioner column. This map on the right is 376 I switched. Okay, sorry, I didn't know.
So we have 374 on the left and 376 on the right. Yes.
374 Right now, as for vra districts 376 or eight districts, however, 376 is the more updated one. Commissioner Kalam believes that I think you just said you tried to put together some different communities. And actually interestingly, even though it has one last vra district has currently configured the partisan fairness numbers are better on it than on 374. So I think they're different enough where they should probably each get a different name.
I mean, the northern suburbs are nothing though like
Berkeley, either is five I mean look at five cantona's put into with Van Buren Township and Sumpter.
And are you sure this is the right maps that came from the right things?
Levin's not even close either. I mean, this is a totally different map.
I actually had when I plotted this out and I could be wrong, so I don't know. But I had 371 turned into 376 but I hit 374 actually came from 351, which is an entirely different branch. Maybe I've marked that wrong, but I'm not sure if you compare 374 and 351. They might be closer.
You said 351. Yes. We want to look at that real quick drum. I think we're following the spreadsheet that not the spreadsheet but flowchart that was laid out
Okay, so this is 351 standalone, one window
can you compare that to 374 374?
Okay
yeah, yeah, that's a little closer. Closer. Yeah, I think Mark is he may have meant to pull up. Callum Smith, but I think he actually pulled up one of the Telus map 351
Well, no, this is this is perfect, actually, because now we know that this one's based off this one and it's an updated version, so we probably don't need to look at 353 much anymore. We'll stick with 374 We got 374 and 376. They're both quite different. Different. What
do you make 353? Yeah, I'm
confused. Anthony.
I want on the left right now.
We have 370 Well, we should have up there right now. 351 and 374 351 was completed by satella 374 was done by Marcus I guess I want to ask him did he intend to make tweaks to a map but the tele had developed or did he intend to make tweaks to a map that he and Callum had been working on?
I don't remember now. I believe it was one that mean column we're working on that we were based on.
Video. It was very confusing because the talk was about calcium, but the map was not so I think that may have just been a mistake. No.
So what I was gonna say is he initially was going to make changes tweaks to the map that him and I worked on but then decided to pull up a different map and then started in on making the changes really realizing that it would have been easier on the map that him and I were working on. But then it's finished there. And that's how we got the one on the left. Yeah,
I know I was working on one and it wasn't working out the way I had anticipated. That I remember. lose track we get so many maps going.
So if I am looking at these two maps the changes are in the Taylor Lincoln Park area, and Romulus. So the one on the right is that 351 And the one on the left is 374
Yes.
So they both have four vra districts and they both have good partisan fairness scores. So do we want to eliminate one and give another one a name?
So just to be clear, 373 51 is on the left 374 is on the right. Okay, let's it is time for our break. We're actually two minutes over. Let's think about this during lunch and come back and see if we can get some more going. I like that we've started I think we're making some progress, although it is going slow. But let's break for lunch. Do we need a motion for that? Whoa, whoa. Oh, yeah, I was asking if we even need one. It's on the agenda as a scheduled break. So I'm not sure I just want to double check.
You do not you have not been the rest of the week either. But I would defer to you to
know that that's what we've been doing and if it's scheduled, that's fine. All right. Let's come back at 130 folks