Well, well, thanks for sharing that and you that's your like a case study and sleep paralysis, success, basically, like you, you learned through your own self practice what basically is being taught now at the clinical level, thanks to psychologists like Brian Sharpless, who has done a lot of work on making sleep paralysis treatment. Using cognitive behavioral therapy, basically as the template but doing everything that you just talked about from that perspective. That said, you said a couple of things I really love when your current when your curiosity was great enough or bigger than your fear. And this is, this is i Yeah, that's it. I mean, you nailed it. There's a case study that, that I love that that came out from a reader of mine. Who suffered from sleep paralysis a lot and she was a clothing designer. And she would have these like vampiric creatures show up, you know, at the night and leer over her and of course, you can't move during these vision states right there. We it's a victimhood state by by almost by definition, and one night she became curious about what this vampiric figure was wearing. And so she started kind of hyper fixating on the stitching of the gown and have this sort of old fashioned almost Victorian, you know, gown that this that this creature was wearing, and the experience diminished and dissolved and went away. And then it happened again, she got really interested and so she actually was like, Oh, I really hope it comes back and it did and she, she basically studied the garments and then when she woke up, she drafted them, and then she designed an entire clothing series based on these based on these designs, and ran ran a fashion show. This was about a decade ago in South Africa. So the creativity that came out of of her alchemize in her fear from sleep paralysis like resulted in you know, came out through through for creative template so, so that's that's just something that's really remarkable about it. The there's a transfer transformational aspect to these things and there's a question saying in the chat, how is the paralysis different from not being able to move when you're dreaming? So it is different in but the mechanisms the biological mechanisms are the same when it happens for someone who so there's kind of two ways to look at sleep or two ways. That kind of differentiates there's folks who have it as a sleep symptom of a condition such as sleep apnea or narcolepsy. And, generally, those folks suffer more from sleep paralysis. It also can be a sleep symptom for a larger health struggle, where sleep is being disrupted and is disrupted sleep is also instigating sleep paralysis. But when it comes on its own and you don't have those conditions, and it's every once in a blue moon. What happens is it's called isolated sleep paralysis. And in this case, the mechanism is the same but it only lasts maybe 30 seconds to a minute long. And so what happens is, is that we we feel that we've woken up, but we're still in a REM sleep in terms of our muscle paralysis, the muscles are they're actually relaxed, they're completely right. They've they've moved into the state of not firing. And so all the major skeletal muscles are relaxed, including the diaphragm and so when you try to gulp for air and see paralysis, what happens is it feels like pressure on the chest increases. And you can feel pressure on your throat. And it comes with this sense of this sense of presence as well. And so we begin connecting the dots like this sense presence is, is the one that's holding me down. And so that's the nocturnal pressing spirit. And it's cross cultural, and there's all kinds of different, you know, interpretations and meanings for it. But it goes away naturally. Now, what happens in dreams is that we're probably okay if you've ever had the dream where you're like, it's a nightmare. You're scary. You're running from monster or bad guys, and you start running it and suddenly it's like running through molasses and you're probably you're experiencing sleep paralysis at that time to probably you're in such an agitated state that the muscles are getting, you know, from the brain like you need to run into you're bumping up against the physical paralysis of those various muscles and you're feeling your body's sluggishness. You're actually in the dream, and that's been interpreted in the dream as like, I can't, I'm moving slowly. I think that there's a lot of dreams of that nature where we're actually feeling our sleep paralysis. So they're related but they're not the same right? And it does go away and it's it is natural, and there's nothing, you know, it doesn't it's not harmful, like there's no harmful effects of having this except that it's disquieting. It's that it's disturbing. And if you don't have a paradigm before it, what happens is that we become fearful and we assume kind of, we kind of go back to like, whatever sort of fear based paradigm we had, usually when we were children, you know, like it's a demon or it's, you know, or whatever, you know, getting dragged to hell if you come out of a Christian context or and so that's what happens when we don't have a paradigm for something. We go back to our old paradigms, wherever there's a gap. I'm seeing. Oh, okay. Thank you, Laura. Yeah, I just want to say about that. It's, I can, of course, blab on about sleep paralysis forever and ever. I think it's fantastic. It's just, I just even though it's scary. I just, there's something about it that I just love about it. I think that some so much create dark creativity comes out of nightmares and the scary stuff. Like so much that's just so juicy. And that speaks to our human condition and what's real and what's important and why are we what are we fighting for all these kind of questions that come out of like the horror literature or are exciting to me. So, we are going to shift gears we're shifting gears and we're going to read the chapter on alchemy. So, this, this some of this really goes into the the actual imagery of the talisman itself, but it does have a larger context. imagery and text on the lucid talisman is inspired by ancient philosophy that questions the nature of reality. And when we question reality, we wake up to our lives. So in particular, much of the lucid talismans inspiration draws from the medieval study of alchemy, which at its heart was the pursuit to transform base metals into gold. Psychologically, this practice mirrors the transformation of consciousness throughout our lives. So akin to the medieval alchemists, our process through life is to transmute based desires in ancient impulses into creative art, wisdom, and knowledge right scientific achievement. So at its most basic level, the lucid Tasman is constructed around a duality of waking and dreaming depicted as the sun in the moon sides of the talisman. And so those are the two sides. And so waking life is depicted as the sun. And this is solar consciousness when we're awake our way of being our way of thinking is primarily an ordering force that includes the intellect, the light of reason, and focused attention the gift of focused attention, right. Traditionally solar consciousness is, is gendered as masculine, and is depicted as active and questioning. Dreamy life is depicted as the moon and this is lunar consciousness, in dreams and intuitions. This is traditionally the feminine aspect of consciousness that receives insight. This way of thinking is akin to surrender. And a different logic is at work here. It's nonlinear. And it's image based. And when we're in the presence of the moon, we have access to Creative Forces, images and ideas that we usually shove aside in waking life. So in medieval times, these two modes of consciousness were depicted as the king and the queen equals in the firmament.