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Board of Police Commissioners
Unknown Speaker
Not convection.
Commissioner Bernard
Thank you.
Unknown Speaker
That's very sweet of you.
Commissioner Bernard
Looks like you.
Commissioner Bernard
So I'll call you
Unknown Speaker
all right first.
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So not from us.
Speaker 1
Good afternoon, everyone. Today is September the fifth, 2024 is at 301. Board of police commission meeting is called. The order being that, well, we're going to ask for the invocation by Chaplain Duncan. Duncan, who's on Zoom. Are you there?
Unknown Speaker
Yes, sir, I am here.
Unknown Speaker
Oh, you may proceed. Alrighty,
Speaker 2
Heavenly Father, we come to you today asking for your guidance, for your wisdom and your support as we begin this meeting today, help us to engage in meaningful discussions, allow us to grow closer as a group and to nurture the bonds of community. We welcome your presence among us, and we ask that you guide our discussions and the decisions, helping us to seek what is best for all that are involved. We pray for open hearts and minds to receive your plans and purposes, and may we be sensitive to the leading of your obedient will we lift our leadership represented in this collective today, and we ask that you draw close yourself to them, and that your wisdom and your ways and your grace be upon them all. Please allow each individual in this collective to feel heard and supported. And we ask that you continue to protect the officers that police our communities, provide them with the necessary tools and resources that are needed, as well as blessing each of these commissioners and the city as a whole, our desire is to be a voice of reason for the people, to be insightful and impactful for the residents of the city. This prayer is offered unto you this afternoon, and with an expectation that we know that you will honor, we say, amen, amen. You. Man.
Speaker 1
We're going to have the introduction of commissioners.
Speaker 3
Commissioner woods, present, Commissioner Smith, commission attorney bird Bernard,
Commissioner Bernard
Attorney Linda Bernard, present,
Speaker 3
Commissioner banks, is asked to be excused. Commissioner Bell, present, District Four, Commissioner Burton,
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Commissioner Burton present, district five,
Speaker 3
Commissioner Carter asked to be excused. Commissioner Moore present, Commissioner Hernandez, Commissioner Presley and Commissioner dewash. Present.
Speaker 1
We have a quorum, and I entertain a motion to approve the September 5, 2024, agenda so moved or moved by Commissioner Bernard, second by Commissioner Moore. All in favor? Say, say, aye, any discussion anyone opposed, the motion is carried. I entertain a motion for the approval of the minutes of of August 29 2024 moved by Commissioner Bernard, supported by Commissioner Moore. Any discussion anyone opposed, the motion is carried, let's go to the introduction of bopc staff and Chief of Police elected officials or representatives and community leaders.
Speaker 3
We have present for board of police commissioner staff, chief investigator, Jerome wardfield, parliamentarian, Dr Francis Jackson, Mr. Robert Brown, Miss Johnny Underwood, Miss Theresa blossom, Miss articia Joshua, Miss Mary Barber, Mr. Drew fries, supervising investigator, Ainsley Cromwell, our ASL interpreters. Ms, shakata and Dr Stephanie, Beatty Joyce, Washington court reporter, Don Handyside, Sergeant Quinn on audio, Mr. Charles Henry, media services, video, Attorney Dante Goss, Deputy Chief Arnold Williams, elected officials and representatives. Ms, Marie overall for State Representative Tyrone Carter's office. Ms, Frieda Butler, president of second precinct community relations. MS, Ladon Davis, Office of Councilman Fred durhall, the third lieutenant, Mark young lieutenant and sergeants Association President Ron Thomas, Vice President Detroit police union and former Commissioner William Davis.
Speaker 1
All right, thank you. The chairperson. Don't have a report, but we go to the chief police report. You.
Speaker 4
Through the Chair. We'll start off with our crime data, looking at our homicides. We're down 38 homicides from last year. This year we had 145 last year we had 138 for our non fatal shootings, we're showing reductions as well. We have 40 less non fatal shootings this year we had last year. This year, we've had 455 last year we had 495 for our robberies. We're showing, we're continuing to show decreases, pretty much in all of our part one, violent crimes, robberies. Last year we had 997 this year, 761 that was a decrease of 236 robberies. We've had 43 less carjackings this year. We had last year. Last year, we had 117 this year, we've had 74
Speaker 4
going into our calls for service for our mental not violent. We've had 278 more calls for service for mental non violent this year we had last year. And looking at our actual mental violent armed, we've had 10 less calls for those who were armed and were experiencing a mental crisis, wanted to our significant events or significant incidents, we'll start off with a non fatal shooting. We have a six year old victim who was received a graze wound to his left knee. This happened Thursday, August, 29 2024 at 1:12am officers were dispatched to the 1000 block of Basset to investigate a non fatal shooting of a six year old. Officers arrived on scene and Medic 11 was treating the victim, who was a six year old male, for a gunshot wound. Medics transport transports the victim to a local hospital where the victim was low, was listed in stable condition. The home was occupied by three adults and five additional juveniles, ages three to 17. No further injuries were reported at the scene. Officers from the Fourth Precinct preserved the scene, and detectives from the Fourth Precinct detective unit were notified. The detectives are asking anyone with additional information to contact Crime Stoppers at one 800 speak up or Detroit rewards.tv. Incident Number two was a fatal shooting. This occurred Thursday, August, 29 at 9:05pm officers were dispatched to the 1500 block of evergreen to investigate a fatal shooting. Officers arrived on scene, observed the victim being treated for a gunshot wound. The victim was transported by medic 21 to a local hospital, where the victim was initially listed in critical condition. Unfortunately, the victim succumbed to his injuries. Officers on the scene received information that the suspect ran to the location of 15,000 block of evergreen after the shooting, officers from the eighth precinct preserved the scene in a barricaded gun person. Situation was declared. Officers from the special response team were notified, and officers from the special response team responded to the scene, checked the location. After a thorough search of the location, the officers were unable to locate the suspect. Detectives from the homicide unit arrived on the scene and conducted a preliminary investigation. Witnesses confirmed that the victim was shot after an argument with the suspect. The incident is still investigation. Detectives are asking anyone with additional information to contact next Stoppers at one 800 speak up or Detroit rewards.tv
Speaker 4
the next incident was a non fatal shooting. This occurred Friday, August 30, 2:12am officers were dispatched to the 1200 block of Saint Antoine to investigate a non fatal shooting. Officers arrived on the scene and observed the victim surfing from a gunshot wound to the left ankle. Medic 41 arrived on scene and transported the victim to a local hospital, where he was listed in a temporary serious condition. Officers from downtown services preserved the scene and detectives from the third precinct detective unit were notified. Detectives determined that the victim and the suspect were in an argument before the shooting. The suspect was described as a black male wearing a black varsity jacket and black jeans, last seen leaving the area in a great Jeep. Compass. Detectives are asking anyone with additional information concerning this incident to contact Crime Stoppers at 100 speak up or Detroit rewards TV. The next incident was a fatal shooting that occurred Sunday, September 1, at 2:13am, officers were flagged down in area of Greenfield and Midland to investigate a fatal shooting. Officers were flagged down by medic 17. Medic 17 informed the officers that they were flagged down by a victim and a witness, and the victim was suffering from a gunshot wound. Medic 17 conveyed the witness to a local, I'm sorry, conveyed the victim to a local hospital, where the victim was pronounced deceased. On arrival, officers from the eighth precinct preserved the scene, and detectives from the homicide section were notified. Detectives interviewed a witness who stated that he and the victim were leaving views bar east on Grand River when someone in a gold sedan pulled alongside them and fired shots into their vehicle, striking the victim. The Witness did not get a good look at the suspect. Detectives are asking anyone with additional information regarding this incident to kind of to contact Crime Stoppers at one 800 speak up or Detroit rewards.tv the last incident reporting out on is going to be one fatal shooting. You
Speaker 1
slow it down just a little bit. Excuse me, can you slow it down a little bit? Fly a SL team can keep up with you? We want to make sure that they can keep up. But you're doing great, you know. Thank you. Okay,
Unknown Speaker
yeah, all right, thank you.
Speaker 4
Incident Number five, this was a fatal shooting and not fatal shootings occurred early in the morning yesterday, I'm sorry, in the evening, yesterday evening. So yeah, officers that were dispatched to the 18,000 block of Runyan about 10pm for a fatal shooting. Officers arrived at the scene, observed victim number one and victim number two suffering from gunshot wounds. Officers provided medical aid and her medics arrived on the scene and transported victim number one to a local hospital. She was pronounced deceased On arrival, suffering from a gunshot wound. Victim number two was transported to a local hospital by medics, where he was listed in a pure condition with multiple gunshot wounds. Officers from the ninth precinct preserved the scene and detectives from the homicide section were notified. Detectives discovered that victim number one is the mother of victim number two, and was shot while trying to intervene in a fight between victim number who and the suspect. Detectives are asking anyone with additional information regarding this incident to contact Crime Stoppers at one 800 speak up or Detroit rewards.tv. Do TV. And then, if I may, continue through the chair, yes, sir, there was an inquiry that was submitted to the chief and the chief officers this morning from Commissioner Moore. And there is a response that we want to make sure it happens. And this was regarding an article in the bridge Detroit for the benefit of the public, the Detroit Police Department has several mechanisms in place for waiving or reducing tow, towing and impound fees. First, as a general matter, the Detroit Police Department does not assess fees for vehicles seized as evidence for crimes such as homicide, armed robbery, carjacking, criminal sexual conduct and non fatal shootings. Second, the Detroit Police Department does not assess fees when a vehicle stolen and recovered in the city of Detroit. Exceptions include situations where the vehicle is being picked up by a corporate or business entity, such as an insurance company or the individual has insurance that includes payment of towing and storage fees. Third, the Detroit Police Department may waive or reduce fees for individuals suffering from economic hardship, a decision to waive fees is not automatic. It is judged on a case by case basis. Considerations include, for example, the underlying circumstances for the impounded vehicle and whether the individual lives below a certain economic threshold that would trigger the receipt of government benefits, individuals are asked to complete a form that includes information needed to make a fair and deliver a fair deliberation of the individual circumstances. Recently, bridge Detroit published an article suggesting that there have been at least several individuals assessed fees and recovering stolen vehicles that shouldn't have been to date, the department has not been provided sufficient information to verify the claims. In any event, individuals who are assessed fees and they feel they are free to contact the Detroit Police Department at the abandoned vehicle unit for assistance and obtain a reimbursement at 313-596-8832,
Speaker 4
we recently, on this past Tuesday, had a promotional ceremony where DPD appointed and promoted, commanders, a commander, captains, lieutenants, sergeants and detectives at the Wayne County Community College District of Northwest Campus on Saturday, September 7, at 9am there will be a healthy Detroit better together 5k walk. This will occur at the DMC Heart Hospital. Participants will receive an award and a T shirt after the race. Also, we'll have a free gun lock event. This is going to happen Saturday, September 7, from 11am to 3pm a free gun lock event will be held in the parking lot of Detroit Police Department, rouge gun range. The event will also include free resources, a barber and a bounce house for families that will conclude my report pending your questions and Commissioner Moore,
Speaker 5
thank you, Mr. Chairman, yes, sir. Well chief, thank you for reading that about the stolen vehicles into the record. I would just wonder, how do we go about educating the citizens? That's the I mean, we know, because the citizens who attend these meetings come all the time. So I would just more so concerned about educating the citizens who are press release. And if you can get that back to the chief. This just came up. I just saw this. Two Academy students resigned under charges. I would just wonder if you can get back to the board on that, in regards to, you know why they resigned? To Academy students next, what is the purpose of the 45 day video protocol that's in place when, when it's an officer involved shooting
Unknown Speaker
the purpose.
Speaker 4
So I directly can't speak to the purpose. What I can say is that is the policy that the chief created. So the one thing I will say is there are a lot of jurisdictions that don't even allow the open and free viewing of officer involved shootings when they take place. So Detroit Police Department is one, and we actually make sure that when we have one, we stick to that timeline, and we make sure that that goes out, and with that, it is the department's entire intent to be thoroughly transparent in any officer involved shooting or one of our officers fires a shot, and that is what we will continue to do,
Speaker 5
because a lot of times the prosecutor's office hasn't made a decision on the shooting. So if the purpose is transparency, which I believe, I just use that as a parallel or nexus to the Sherman Lee Butler shooting. How come we're not using transparency and release of the video? Because the information is the information. I mean, the shooting is the shooting. It doesn't change. So I appreciate Detroit being the leader in the release of the of the officer of all shootings. I just wish that we could expedite the process to release the Sherman Lee Butler video, because I just think things are going to escalate as relates to protests and things of that nature, because these folks think it's a cover up well
Speaker 4
through the chair. The Sherman Butler incident was not officer involved shooting. That was a bailiff shooting who was contracted with 36 district, so officers from Detroit were present, but the shooting took place with a contractor from 36 district. So if an officer from DPD had fire 100% we would be released as OIS under the 45 day policy a chief has established. So I just want to be clear on that, and I do understand what you're saying
Speaker 5
commission, and I don't want, I want to go back and forth with you, but I would disagree to say it was officer involved shooting because police were on the same police did involve tasers in the situation, which calls, according to the Detroit Police Department press release, for Mr. Butler to attack the bailiff. And then that sped things up. So I would just push back and say I disagree with that, but my next question, and final question, deals with the investigation, or the the issues surrounding the former homicide detective that Metro Detroit, Metro Times reported on. I don't know if you're familiar with that story, but back in 2010, or some years prior to that, caused some citizens to be falsely arrested. And I just wanted to know, what can we do to give confidence to citizens to say, this is not a widespread issue, this is not a cultural issue of the police department. What can we do to make sure that this isn't taking place in the current DPD
Speaker 4
Well, again, this was over a decade ago, and under new leadership, several times, with changes of chiefs. The one thing I can say is that it is the Detroit Police Department's policy, and it is a standard that we're holding that truthfulness and true facts are brought out. We 100% support the innocent, the Innocence Project, and when those cases come up, we cooperate fully with the prosecutor's office, but we do not tolerate any of our officers, detectives, sworn members or civilian members pushing for any false or written statements. So it is 100% not the policy is 100% not this standard, and we 100% support the prosecutor's office and going forward and looking at these cases. Thank you,
Speaker 1
Chief. Commissioner Yes, Commissioner Burton, Dan, Commissioner Bernard.
Speaker 6
Thank you, Chief. Since I asked for about D.
Speaker 6
what would be, you know, implemented to ensure that this never happens again. And also, maybe our own chief investigator, Jerome Warfield, can also speak to it as well, because I believe the complaint was filed with the Department and with OCI. You it was just filed within few days
Speaker 7
through the chair. If there was a complaint filed the matter, certainly, I'm not aware of it right now, but I can get that information and bring it back to the board next week, okay?
Speaker 1
And in and we will not talk about investigation openly,
Unknown Speaker
all right?
Speaker 4
And the chair commissioner to address your question, I'm not aware if the department has received a complaint. I'm not aware where it actually went, if it went to the prosecutor's office, if it came to the department, or if it came to OCI. I'm not even sure what mechanism was used for it to be submitted, but I did read the news article where it was said that an individual did file a complaint, but I have no idea where it was filed at or who received it, so at this point, I'm not ready to speak on that, because I don't know where it actually is.
Unknown Speaker
You good Commissioner.
Speaker 6
I will have some additional questions at a later time, but I'm going to give the department and OCI to get together and and look and see where exactly this complaint has been filed, but it has been filed with it with, you know, just more recently, and so, and I guess we will hear back from our chief investigator, as well as the chief's office,
Speaker 1
okay, all right, Commissioner Bernard, and let the record reflect that Commissioner Smith is present
Commissioner Bernard
on the issue of the activity of the former Detroit police detective, which has been widely reported in the press. I don't think that what what we are suggesting, is enough. Quite frankly, I think this is a bigger issue than OCI and the department, and I think there should be a task force put together or assembled to address this issue. I don't know if it would involve Michigan State Police, our department. You always like the US attorney, but I try to stay out of the Fed's way most of the time. But I do, I do not think that this is something that is a casual situation. I mean, there are major civil rights issues that have been raised in these in this matter, I have people ask me on the street, does this person's still a retiree? Are they still getting money from the city of Detroit? Of course, their retirement stuff is a whole separate issue, but the community is concerned that she's getting anything based on her performance with the department. So this is not something that's casual, and I urge the chairman and the board to consider us putting together a task force to look into this. And it may involve the Inspector General's office, it may involve whatever parties that you think are appropriate, but I don't like the idea the department has had about a month to respond to this. They've not responded. So I don't think it's appropriate that we ask them to investigate themselves on this issue. And I just think that it's too big of an issue, because if it was me, you, or anyone at this table, and we had been arrested or convicted as a result of this person, you know, we would, we would view it as an outrage and a civil rights issue. So I think that we need something much bigger than what's being discussed. Mr. Chair,
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yes,
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well,
Speaker 1
the let me ask the attorney, our jurisdiction is not criminal. Is that correct? That's correct. Can we investigate criminal issues?
Speaker 4
No, the charter does not give you the authority to investigate criminal matters,
Speaker 1
yes, so I don't want it to be out there as if we have power to do anything. Now we our voices, are very vitally important to advocate for the right thing. And this has been 10 years. Do we have any jurisdiction on the case? After 10 years ago, chief investigator
Speaker 7
to the chair. From a criminal perspective, we would not have any jurisdiction. However, we have looked at and we are looking at instances where crimes or allegations of misconduct have gone beyond a year. So we have done three, four, even 10 years, if necessary. So depending on the egregiousness of the situation, it is possible, however, if it's a criminal manner, we typically transfer that over to an agency that's better equipped to handle it. Okay, yeah, and, you know, I asked questions because I want to understand what's in our power. What is it? What is our chart of land, dated duties, and what we, what we can and can't do. You know,
Speaker 1
we only suggest folks to connect to the conviction integrity unit and the Wayne County prosecutor office that has some jurisdiction, the Michigan Anderson clinic with the University of Michigan and Cooley Law School, they have an innocent project. So there's various you know, and I'm we're not giving those no advice on anything you know, because I don't want to see that we've given any legal advice. But anything that come on our jurisdiction, we have a complaint. That complaint has to be looked at and dealt with professionally our staff and they are to get a response just like any other citizen, you know, but I don't want to want to pretend as if we have hours that we do not have so we can undo some of the things there. But again, I share the sentiments of my colleagues that that some governing body that has the power to address these issues should address it in and if we need to send a letter to those particular entities I'm with that you know, that encourage folks to take a look at this
Speaker 1
intently, you know, so anything else for the chief? You had your hand up, yes,
Commissioner Bernard
we can request that there be a first of all, we can form a task force we want to and we can invite other interests on a task force, a task force to investigate the activities in the 10th precinct by this former employee. We have that ability and the authority to do that, and I'm sure that Dante would agree with me, the law department to do the same thing with respect to a lawyer. If there were allegations regarding a lawyer, for example, sexually harassing or doing something somebody even 10 years ago, you can always investigate yourself. And since we are the governing body for the for the DPD, we can do that. We can ask for the assistance of our Inspector General. We can ask for the AGs assistance, we can ask for
Speaker 1
Michigan boy who's no longer here.
Commissioner Bernard
It doesn't matter. It's activity that happened slavery, man, you investigate things that occurred even though they're they're long past, and they're things that are set up to investigate all kinds of things, from the rape kits. I mean, for example, that was 30 years ago. I mean,
Speaker 1
and the eopc didn't investigate any cases that didn't go to the chief investigator. You know, we don't have any power off any criminal cases. Commissioner Moore, I think you want to say something before we move
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on. Disregard.
Speaker 1
Yep, all right. Thank you very kindly. Anything else, Chief? No. Thank you for your report. Let's go to the Oral Communications.
Speaker 8
Thank you, Mr. Sheriff. We have four speakers in the office at this time, our first speaker will be Minister Eric blunt, then this Michelle George, Mr. Ronald Foster, and then this for dia Butler, please speak into the mic and state your name for the record.
Speaker 9
Good afternoon, board. I'm Minister Eric blunt from Sacred Heart Catholic church right here in Detroit. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Somebody has to say it. It is diabolical that a simple request can be denied by the Detroit Police Department. Just released a video. It doesn't change evidence. It just It doesn't change facts. But no, there's something very wrong with this, and this 45 day trick should not be accepted on any level. And even look at the video. They finally released a port of her. They released a very small portion of that video to the public, and it never included shots being fired. So how can you say you go release it and you don't even include the shots that were fired, even though there were 38 of them. No, please. I'm glad some of you commissioners forced the police department to do something other than just report on crime. This is not a crime reporting board. This is about police officer misconduct. And so when you do that, you also have to look at the HR report. The HR report should include things like officers that are suspended, when and how long, the risk management system, who's in it, when and how long. OCI should be reporting every week on the number of complaints, what's happened to those complaints and yes, of course, Internal Affairs has a part in this. How many cases are they looking into? These type of things can lead you to a more robust analysis of what's really going on. Thank you.
Unknown Speaker
Thank you. Next speaker. You
Speaker 2
Good evening, Mr. Chair, good evening into this honorable board and Assistant Chief. Just want to just make a brief comment, just hopefully going forward, because I got in on the last discussion, so I'm not going to comment too much on it, but I would just say, When there comes a video dealing with our community, please release it. It shouldn't wait a long time we see what's happening across the country, in a lot of states when it comes to releasing police cameras from Tennessee to where, you know George Floyd and everything so and one of my organization, we were responsible for the cameras National Action Network. So what we're asking is that you release the camera, you will go very good without dealing with all the controversy to do that. And if you just showed where they didn't show the shots, even in other states, they're showing shots. I wanted to make that comment. I also want to make the comment pretty soon. The it happened during the pandemic, the Caucasian woman that had the four African American kids in the car. She will be sentenced very soon. And I remember I had asked Chief white at the time what was happening with this case, but I know deep I thank God for those officers that did catch with the supposed four kids, especially after movie sound of freedom, I believe she was going to traffic those kids, so she will be charged very soon, hopefully I will be there to make sure justice is done for those kids, because this should not have gone this long. She kidnapped those children, and we thank God that Detroit police, they were able to stop her and be astute to find out what was happening with these children. So I will report out to this board to and hopefully the Lords will, I'll be there when they sentence this woman for kidnapping those four children. But thank God, those children were brought safely home. That's not coming. Thank
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you. Next speaker,
Speaker 8
Mr. Ronald Foster, and then Miss perdia Butler, then we go on to zoom.
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Thank you.
Speaker 10
Good afternoon. Good afternoon through the Chair. First thing I just want to speak on is justice. The meaning of justice is ethical, philosophical idea that people are to be treated impartially, fairly, properly and reasonably by the law and by arbitrators of the law, that laws are to ensure that no harm befalls another, and that where harm is alleged, a remedial action is taken. What the community is asking for is justice. We simply asking for social justice be treated fairly, that those that mess up be held accountable. We don't think that that's a harsh request to ask for, especially coming from a body that represents law enforcement, part of the social justice is to self police. We know that a lot of you guys are new. You can't make up for things that went on the last 2030, years, but you have to acknowledge that there was a bad culture there, and we have to come to the table and figure out how to have a common ground. The officer that was spoken of today is not the only officer. Every week we turn on the TV and find another former Detroit police officer during egregious behavior in the communities, for example, Officer Morningstar accused in Genesee County under the ghosts of sexual misconduct, of lying and a lot of other things. Now, as a citizen here, I don't believe that that's the first time that he ever done anything, and to have these type of people running our streets and in our community, and the only time we hear about it is when they victimize somebody else is unacceptable. I'm here today stand on behalf of the people, and we are simply asking for justice. We want everybody that's elected in position to hold themselves accountable. Thank you.
Unknown Speaker
Thank you very kindly. You
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Good afternoon,
Speaker 1
and before we start, Mr. Foster, I want to also say that I'm deeply sorry What happened to you the other week. Want to say that publicly and openly and grand that you are doing much better. Yes, sir.
Speaker 11
Last week, I stated that I was going to tell about what four ladies and I were doing at Wayne State and why I must state that I met at Wayne State Police officer who offered his assistance, and as I said before, I was going.
Speaker 8
Mr. Chair, Mr. Chair, we're going to zoom. Our first speaker will be Victoria Camille, then Mr. Scotty Bowman, then former Commissioner William Davis. You
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may be heard
Speaker 12
Good evening. Board. This is Victoria Camille, district seven and the CPTA, the Detroit city charter, indicates that one of the board duties is to establish policies and consultation the mayor, and that one of the chief's duties is to recommend rules, regulations and procedures to the board for its approval. So far, within the last year, two policies have been mentioned in the board meetings and in the media, and it's unclear that these policies have come before the board for approval. In the June 27 meeting, Chief white indicated that he has a policy in place around legal observers. I understand, as you stated, Mr. Chair, that the policy committee has drafted, in collaboration with CPTA, a policy for First Amendment activities, including legal observers. However, I've requested several times that the board share publicly the directive number of the policy that Chief white stated is already in place. Please share that directive number and the date on which this policy was approved by the bopc. The second one refers to in November 30. On November 30, 2023, Chief white announced to the board that he has a policy in place to release body worn camera footage within 45 days. A policy should clearly identify which body worn camera footage is subject to this 45 day release. For example, since the officer that Tay Sherman Lee Butler, use force. Why isn't this video subject to this so called policy? In addition, prior to board approval, the board typically publicly posted draft policy and holds a public hearing for feedback. In the November 30 meeting, Chief white mentioned how his policy is modeled after LAPD, during which he stated, and I quote, that's the one that worked for us. But who is us if the public has not weighed in and the board has not approved, can you please provide the directive number for that policy and the date on which it was approved by the BL PC, public trust is paramount that the charter is being followed here. I hope DPD does not have policies in place that have not been approved. Thank you.
Speaker 10
You may be heard. Hello, yeah.
Speaker 13
First of all, I want to address this. Basically, I don't know. I guess it caught kind of false diversion regarding the criminal versus the non criminal um cases. It is true that the charter gives the board of police commissioners the authority to investigate non criminal complaints. However, the fact that one is committing a crime does not mean that there is not also a violation of policy, which would be a non criminal man the two one does not remove the other from being possible. Commissioner Bernard was pretty well on point when she was bringing up the various powers that you can do. You can investigate situations. In fact, you have the authority to subpoena witnesses.
Speaker 14
good afternoon. Could I be heard? You may be heard, sir. Well, I like to say again, and I probably have to say it again, I think the deep DPD and the board of police commissioners should be tracking wrongful arrest in the city of Detroit, other places they do that also. Y'all should be tracking lawsuits associated with wrongful arrest. I am my many different hats, however, one of them is president of Detroit active retired employee Association. As a city Detroit retiree to have my pension cut, I think it's willful neglect that y'all don't investigate any and generate a report on how millions of dollars of being the city is being super, millions of dollars for wrongful arrest and lawsuits associated with that. You know, this board can and should do a whole lot more than it is doing. You know, I think this board has the potential of doing a number of outstanding things. So far, I've been disappointed in the fact that you're not pushing the envelope more than what y'all are. Thank you. Thank
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you very much.
Speaker 8
Mr. Chair, our final speaker is Mr. John Chad Dante Smith,
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you maybe heard Mr. Smith,
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good afternoon,
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good afternoon. So
Speaker 15
I just want to say a couple things. Uh, sauce, I've had a lot of issues with, uh, the way, how much, the way, I've been hearing about homicide running, running their department, their section of DPD, um, I don't know if there's a clear policy directive about how much contact they must have with the victims of homicide, their family members. But I asked the chief about that last night, and he didn't give me a he didn't give me an answer. He gave me a politician's answer. I feel like that is something I would like for the board to raise up a specific policy on how much contact a homicide detective must have with the members, with the family members of victims of homicide. I also want to talk about just the fact that there are so much there's so much going on with this charmingly Butler case. And I feel like there's so much being ignored, even though there's a criminal investigation being put a foot. I've heard two different, conflicting thing narratives about a warrant request being sent to Kenworthy. I was told there was an article said there was one sent yesterday, and there was an article saying that there was one cent pre there was one sent previously to that so you only send one warrant request for one situation, and there's no new evidence that video needs to be released. I missed the policy the policy meeting on Tuesday, but Linda Bernard, I will be at that next policy meeting, and I will ask that you make a policy to have those releases down to one day like Commissioner Moore, which I really do commend, ask for the one day release could be that could be something that happens, because, like you said, Linda Bernard, and different states like Chicago and LA, which are huge, mega, mega cities with way more residents in Detroit, they release those videos and one day with blood and Gor and all, regardless of a police investigation or not, and Also the fact that the chief is trying to hide behind the fact that there was not a police officer doing the shooting a taser is less than lethal force, but it is use of force, and that video should be released. And also, James White needs to be ashamed of himself to tell me that just because the family members didn't ask, and the family members of Sherman Lee Butler have asked about that video, but just to hide behind that is ridiculous. Shame on him. Thank you. This,
Speaker 1
we have presentations to the board the DPD budget report, quarter four,
Speaker 5
Mr. Chairman for the Mr. Lazarus piece. I just want to clarify one thing, yep, the board voted for a 21 day reduction from the 45 day protocol. It was from community output, specifically Minister blunt wanted to one day policy or or introduction, so to speak, to go to the policy committee. So that's where that came from. So to Mr. Smith, it came from Minister blunt, I just pushed it to the subcommittee. Thank you, Mr. Chair, yes, and
Speaker 1
roughly the subcommittee would take it up, take that item up at its next meeting, but register that you know that discussion will have to be with the board of Police Commission, the department, as well as the mayor. You know, we cannot approve a policy on our own. If we could prove a policy on our own, we will have a ton of policies in place, but it would take all of us comes to the table and come into an agreement on this policy. So we're going to negotiate that we possibly can for this policy, and want everybody voice to be involved with that as well.
Unknown Speaker
Thank you. To the chair. Can
Speaker 3
you also explain to Mr. Smith how you did have the conversation publicly in regards to homicide with our previous captain?
Speaker 1
Oh, absolutely, and we're happy to have the new captain. Captain her call here in the meeting right now. Homicide met with him for almost two hours before this meeting, and he has been on, I want to say some of the things that he was doing, because it's private to these families and things of that nature, but he is hitting the ground running very hard. And I he hears of the commission, he hears the community, and he's very sensitive to them. We're looking for some great things to happen on the here's the leadership, and under the leadership of the commander, and they will be presenting before the board within the next month, some of the new things that they want to push out and that they are pushing out, but we have great, great leadership in Captain circle. Absolutely, you just hand up Captain durkel, yeah, all right. Yes, sir,
Speaker 16
good afternoon, Mr. Chair, good afternoon. Honorable board for you are new and do not know me. My name is never on the agency, CFO, for the Detroit Police Department. I've been in this position for over five and a half years, and today I'm going to present to you at a high level the financial information for BPD. The slides are were given to the honorable board yesterday through the finance manager, Mr. Drew fries and is someone moving the slides and yes, thank you. The reports that we are going to see today are the quarter four, which is the june 30, 2024 budget versus actual expenses and revenues. General Fund, 2024 budget versus actual revenues and expenses. Grand activity report, vehicle purchase report and capital expenditure report. Next slide please, as the slide shows on the screen, the total revenue, all funds for the quarter ending on june 30, 2024 we brought in revenue wise, $30,357,000 broken down general fund, a portion was 26 point 4,322,000 was brought in from forfeiture fund, grant fund, 1,664,000 and special revenue Fund, which is a combination, there are two funds included in that $1.9 million and that's the toll fund, plus the E 911 fund, which is handles the 911 response revenues that we receive through state of Michigan and Wayne County. The that was the budget, the actual amount, where was little bit over that. So the actual amount was $32.2 million and the positive variance, so we received close to $2 million 1.9 to seven, to be exact, over what we had budgeted on the revenue side, the expenditures that we expense on the during the fourth quarter, so months, April, May and June, we spent total of 125 the budget, I'm sorry, was 120 $5,968,000 the actual amount was little bit over that. $126,551,000 for a negative variance of $582,000 this was, by the way, the combination of all four funds, the general fund for Future Fund, grant fund, and the special revenue funds. Next slide please the municipal for the entire year, uh, fiscal year, 2024 the reason why I bring that up is because quarter four, as we all know, is the end of the fiscal year. The city's fiscal year starts on July, 1 of any given year, and ends on ends on June, 30. Unlike the other private businesses that normally start January 1 to end of December. Governments operate from Yes, speak up a little bit. Okay, sorry about this. The reason why I bring up the entire year's financial information on this slide is because the quarter four coincides with the end of the fiscal year. The city's fiscal year ends on June 30, 2020 or of any given year. But in this particular example, 2024 so for the entire year we brought the actual amount of revenues that we brought in was $85,032,000 versus a budget of $83,939,000 so we brought in 101% of 1% over what we had budgeted, which is really good, not just because we brought more, but that shows that we are we were accurate in budgeting the revenues on the expense side, and this is broken down, but the total expenses for the entire department the fiscal year, 2024 the budget was $390,731,000 the actual amount was $389,914,000 this is a little bit inaccurate In a sense that after the date of this report, the city's although the year ends on June 30, any given year, our activity still happens, and we still have invoices and bills that we have not paid from the time that they incurred before June 30. So as we go through that process, and actually we are going through that process now. We book those expenses. For example, let's say that we have a utility bill, you know, which is a very small one. Or if we purchased something that was brought was delivered to us on June 20, we did not get the invoice until August. We still now are required by law to book that expense back before June 30. Therefore these numbers here represent the actual amounts. However, as we go through the process of we call it year end close, we are accruing, we are booking some additional revenues and expenses alike to more accurately reflect what we spent last year. My numbers as of today reflect that, instead of being under budget on the good side, kind of like 1% lower, not even 0.2% as you see on this slide. This slide shows that we spent 99.8% of our budget. Actually, we were above that little bit, not by much in the great scheme of things. If you looking at the $400 million budget, you know, a million dollars, it's not looking that bad, you know. But that's a reality. So just when I provide the next round of reports, and you see that there is, instead of $389 million or 390 or almost, if I show 390 $1 million that's the effect that I just described earlier, that we are still accruing some expenses that we did not have information at that time. But overall, this picture shows a very healthy and well run Police Department. We stayed within our budget and and made all the work, the good work that the DPD is doing, as you heard, the deputy chief on the crime center 
this dollar supported all that activity and did not police department did not go over budget. So that's the my take on these numbers. Next slide please. This slide just shows you a snapshot of the revenues versus expenditures. So if we brought in $85 million in revenues and we spent $390 million in expenditures, technically the net amount is $304 million meaning that this $304 million as I have mentioned before, this honorable board many times ago, is the actual amount that is financed by the taxpayers dollars by the revenue sharing we receive from state of Michigan and other revenue sources. But DPD has earmarked already $85 million and any amount we spent over and above that, it comes from the general fund and other sources. Next slide please. This. Next 3123, slides are basically details of what I showed you earlier. For example, if you see on top of this, it says municipal income tax. We had budgeted $30,201,000 and we brought in $35,622,000 so this gives you a little bit more details on the revenue side, on this slide, and then the next slide on the expenses. Expenses. Next slide, please, expenses here show more details as to that $390 million that I mentioned earlier. What was that spent on? And then you can see the salaries. The actual amount was $301 million or $301,990,000 salaries and wages. So that includes salaries, wages and overtime, then the pension benefits, hospitalization or, you know, insurance expense, uh, FICA, which is the Social Security, Medicare workers compensation, sick leave, longevity, all those breakdowns that I don't want to bore the honorable board or the public with all those details, but those are given to you just as we enter into the new budget season. Because, believe it or not, by the end of this month, we are going to enter into new budget season to budget for the next fiscal year that starts July 1, 2025 which I have talked to you again. Financial Manager and Mr. Brown, that we are going to this board expects us to be more proactive in providing the budget information ahead of time, and I'd be happy to discuss that with you, as well as the with the chief's office. So this, this is basically, again, more detailed information that you see here, that at the honorable board. If you have any 
questions, I'll be happy to answer that the following slide, not a detailed one, but one after that. This one shows the vehicle purchase report. And this shows that the whole entire quarter, again, months April, May and June, we purchased $406,000 worth of pursuit, fully marked vehicles, 12 vehicles. We purchased $99,448
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this dollar supported all that activity and did not police department did not go over budget. So that's the my take on these numbers. Next slide please. This slide just shows you a snapshot of the revenues versus expenditures. So if we brought in $85 million in revenues and we spent $390 million in expenditures, technically the net amount is $304 million meaning that this $304 million as I have mentioned before, this honorable board many times ago, is the actual amount that is financed by the taxpayers dollars by the revenue sharing we receive from state of Michigan and other revenue sources. But DPD has earmarked already $85 million and any amount we spent over and above that, it comes from the general fund and other sources. Next slide please. This. Next 3123, slides are basically details of what I showed you earlier. For example, if you see on top of this, it says municipal income tax. We had budgeted $30,201,000 and we brought in $35,622,000 so this gives you a little bit more details on the revenue side, on this slide, and then the next slide on the expenses. Expenses. Next slide, please, expenses here show more details as to that $390 million that I mentioned earlier. What was that spent on? And then you can see the salaries. The actual amount was $301 million or $301,990,000 salaries and wages. So that includes salaries, wages and overtime, then the pension benefits, hospitalization or, you know, insurance expense, uh, FICA, which is the Social Security, Medicare workers compensation, sick leave, longevity, all those breakdowns that I don't want to bore the honorable board or the public with all those details, but those are given to you just as we enter into the new budget season. Because, believe it or not, by the end of this month, we are going to enter into new budget season to budget for the next fiscal year that starts July 1, 2025 which I have talked to you again. Financial Manager and Mr. Brown, that we are going to this board expects us to be more proactive in providing the budget information ahead of time, and I'd be happy to discuss that with you, as well as the with the chief's office. So this, this is basically, again, more detailed information that you see here, that at the honorable board. If you have any +1
questions, I'll be happy to answer that the following slide, not a detailed one, but one after that. This one shows the vehicle purchase report. And this shows that the whole entire quarter, again, months April, May and June, we purchased $406,000 worth of pursuit, fully marked vehicles, 12 vehicles. We purchased $99,448 Speaker 16
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other vehicles in the amount of 477,007 11 for a total of $1,265,000 the entire vehicle purchase that happened during the fourth quarter, April, May and June. Next slide, please. The next slide shows the capital improvements that GSD, that stands for General Services Department, and spent on DPD related buildings, and that, again, the DPD uses our owns, the total amount that are broken down, as you see here from DPD starts with DPD out of pound, DPD, civil rights, DPD, DDC, forfeiture, gun range, Harbormaster and whatnot. The total amount that was spent for the whole quarter was 354,640 $3,000 Next slide, please, and the last slide we are showing here in this slide the grant activity report for the fourth quarter of 2024 as well as the entire year of 2024 two grants that we started during the fourth quarter of 2024 is the grant called Project safe neighborhood in the amount of 151,001 99 this doesn't mean that we spent that amount. We were awarded that amount. Started that grant, and we are in process of expensing those funds during the remainder of the fiscal year. And the other grant is burn state crisis innovation program for $400,000 again, that's the award amount we were awarded, received that the project started. The amount of money will be, still be expensed and reported to you in the following quarters, namely the next one that we are going to talk about this end of September. And then underneath that is the grand activity report during fiscal year, 2024 and as you see here, I have the give, I've given you details of the grants that DPD has utilized during the year. And as you see there, the two major grants, or actually three, that are qualified major in the amount of over $500,000 are the volca grant in the amount of 850,000 the Justice assistant grant Jag, which is recurring grant in the amount of 950,000 and then the other theft grant in the amount of $3,644,000 so with that, I'd like to answer any questions that the honorable board may have. Commissioner Moore, thank you.
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other vehicles in the amount of 477,007 11 for a total of $1,265,000 the entire vehicle purchase that happened during the fourth quarter, April, May and June. Next slide, please. The next slide shows the capital improvements that GSD, that stands for General Services Department, and spent on DPD related buildings, and that, again, the DPD uses our owns, the total amount that are broken down, as you see here from DPD starts with DPD out of pound, DPD, civil rights, DPD, DDC, forfeiture, gun range, Harbormaster and whatnot. The total amount that was spent for the whole quarter was 354,640 $3,000 Next slide, please, and the last slide we are showing here in this slide the grant activity report for the fourth quarter of 2024 as well as the entire year of 2024 two grants that we started during the fourth quarter of 2024 is the grant called Project safe neighborhood in the amount of 151,001 99 this doesn't mean that we spent that amount. We were awarded that amount. Started that grant, and we are in process of expensing those funds during the remainder of the fiscal year. And the other grant is burn state crisis innovation program for $400,000 again, that's the award amount we were awarded, received that the project started. The amount of money will be, still be expensed and reported to you in the following quarters, namely the next one that we are going to talk about this end of September. And then underneath that is the grand activity report during fiscal year, 2024 and as you see here, I have the give, I've given you details of the grants that DPD has utilized during the year. And as you see there, the two major grants, or actually three, that are qualified major in the amount of over $500,000 are the volca grant in the amount of 850,000 the Justice assistant grant Jag, which is recurring grant in the amount of 950,000 and then the other theft grant in the amount of $3,644,000 so with that, I'd like to answer any questions that the honorable board may have. Commissioner Moore, thank you. Speaker 5
Thank you. Mr. Chair, yes, sir. Mr. Mazark, I didn't hear anything about legal settlement dollars in your presentation. Do you have any numbers on those through the chair?
Speaker 16
That's a good question. The reason you did not hear those numbers is because the dpds budget does not allocate dollars for legal settlements or those amounts are paid and the budgeted through the city's legal department. That came back. Okay, so that's the general fund. It is general fund, yes, but it's not part of dpds budget the way that you approve. And I suppose my
Speaker 5
next question is, and this is going to sound wild up front, so I apologize to you. I ask him, Have you ever heard anyone getting their house note or Cardinal pay from a city budget for any professional reasons?
Speaker 16
From BPD standpoint, budget that that I handled, never heard
Unknown Speaker
that. What about city
Speaker 16
it's hard. I would say no, but I don't have full information. You hesitated, so that's why I'm trying to to hedge against any you know, who knows this ARPA thing that you know whatever happening with that? And you know, like we do with educational that, fine, but through deputies budget, I'm a absolutely sure, no. And my
Speaker 5
last question, Mister nazarko, for the last three or four years, we haven't had a board attorney, but we've been budgeted for board attorney, what happens to those funds when we don't use them? Year after year
Speaker 16
again? Honorable Commissioner. Great question. There is a thing in budget, especially general fund, that use it or lose it. So as of June 30, if you have not, if you had the money to budget for board attorney or secretary or CI whatnot, and you do not use it that goes back, stays with the city, but you do not have, you have to again, be appropriated next year again to use that. You don't have the right to double it next year. And
Unknown Speaker
does that money carry over to the next year? No,
Unknown Speaker
it does not. But it stays with the city. It
Unknown Speaker
stays with the city. Yes, understood. Thanks.
Unknown Speaker
You're welcome to the
Unknown Speaker
chair. Yes.
Speaker 1
Yes. Yes, yes, sir, oh, Commissioner Bernard Daniel,
Commissioner Bernard
in response to my colleague's question regarding litigation costs, can you provide not today, but can you provide us a subsequent report regarding how much the department, how much of the litigation costs for the city of Detroit that includes legal fees and settlements and judgments, is allocable to the police department one and also separately, allocable to the Police Commission. We both have different litigation budgets, so to speak. So if you could provide that to us at your earliest convenience, that would be great.
Commissioner Bernard
My question relates to the issue of overtime. Initially, excuse me, initially this year, the Department was, the budget for overtime for sworn officers, was 37,400 64,000, and then some more. But that doesn't matter, roughly 38,000 I mean, 38 million. And for non uniform, it was roughly 2 million. We you amended that budget. It doesn't say when you did it, but you amended it to almost double the overtime for sworn officers, to 55 million into and added another million, if you will, not a million, but something less than that for civilian employees, but your year to date expenditures for overtime, for officers, is $60,469,000 and for civilians, 9 million from 1 million from, I'm sorry, for nearly 2 million now, 9 million. My question is, was that related to the draft?
Speaker 16
The simple response is, no, yes, we did spend some overtime during the draft days, four days, or how many other days we had, but that would be a an amount that is not even close to what we spent,
Commissioner Bernard
a significant increase in in overtime, initial, initially budgeted for 37 million To now 60 million. There has to be a reason to for the year to date to be 60 million. The reasons,
Unknown Speaker
I'll leave that response to
Unknown Speaker
you. Probably want to direct that to
Speaker 16
the budget process and how we amended the budget, but the reasons right?
Unknown Speaker
Well, I'm saying he can
Speaker 16
forward that question. Yes, I'll forward that question to the Chiefs office.
Unknown Speaker
Yeah, yeah, the chief office is right here.
Speaker 4
Some insight. I can't give exact right where it was at, but
Speaker 1
for the draft, the draft was over the days we had the draft was restricted. We know, you guys spend 60 million on a draft. We just saying in terms of the over the overtime, in general, as a whole, the $60 million you know, how do that look, in terms of where the bulk of those dollars went, in terms of overtime? Is that correct? Part of it?
Commissioner Bernard
Where did it come from? But wasn't simply as a result of that event. I mean, absolutely
Unknown Speaker
not, absolutely
Speaker 4
not. It wasn't.
Speaker 4
And just to be clear, the numbers we're looking at here, those represent the numbers for FY two four. Chris, yes, so if we're looking for numbers for FY two four, you'll be looking at a more detailed report if you want to know exactly where each dollar came from, but generally, we look at we were rescheduled over time, we were in emergency over time to make sure we feel our minimums that are required for policing each precinct. And then there are a number of other details that may be possible. When I say details, those could be details that come about because we have a presidential visit. Those could be details come about because we have land protests that come up, or because we have protests just come out of nowhere. But again, for detail accountability of where all those overtime dollars went to, that would be a report that will have to come at some other time. But
Commissioner Bernard
my point is that a $70 million variance for civilian and sworn officers, if you will, in overtime, is related to something in the biggest event, it's not these little things. When Kamala Harris was coming to town, you got a little overtime. They locked down the street. That's not the point. That's not what we're talking about. But I really want to know is, because we, the citizens, have a right to know how much these things actually cost in terms of tax dollars and everything else. Part one, where all the money came from? And two, Did we get any from the NFL? It wasn't just us. I know it was secret service here for the draft. It was Homeland Security here. I met several of the officers. That's and, of course, all our federal office, but that's all on the federal government. I'm just talking about what happened with the city in terms of this budget for the police department. And I don't recall that there was any litigation. Or there may be, maybe when, when you give us a report, there was some litigation against the department as a result of the draft and these types of events. And I appreciate, I understand you don't have the answers. That's just my comment
Speaker 16
that just just to alleviate your fear on that NFL draft, it's hard to pinpoint exactly the dollar amounts that were spent on NFL Draft. However, I can tell you that we are in neighborhood of anywhere between three to $400,000 for the entire NFL draft, and the impact that brought you have read the newspapers was millions of dollars that came through the city of Detroit that we basically received revenue on the other side, through the taxes and through the revenue sharing all that. But the overtime was not a factor at all. And NFL, by the way, did not reimburse the city and overtime. And it is their policy that they do not reimburse everywhere they go. Every year, they do not reimburse for overtime.
Commissioner Bernard
They don't pay for anything. All right, thank you,
Speaker 1
Commissioner Burton and then Commissioner Dewas. Thank you.
Speaker 6
Question looking at the budget from the most previous budget, have any dollars went into any form of military grade equipment, have any dollars went over to any one of the two programs with the Department of Defense that whether it's the 1022 program or the 1023 program, and any dollars And this new budget is going towards any military grade equipment as well
Speaker 16
through chair Commissioner Burton, not sure what the definition of military equipment is. I'm a finance guy, but in our budget, there is no dollars allocated for any thing or that I can recall or classify, in my mind, as military equipment. Now I just gave you a report on some cars, the vehicles that we purchased, or there is a command post that the DPD purchased. Is that a military grade I don't know what, again, the definition is, but title 22 absolutely not military grade equipment. To my knowledge, absolutely not that is not a single dollar in this budget, in regard to that definition,
Speaker 6
or technology, military grade technology equipment, whether it's fleet, anything that dealing with military grade equipment, not to my knowledge. I mean, even a flashgate grenade is classified as military grade equipment. Night gargles that Detroit Police Department had purchased in the past is still qualified as military grade equipment.
Speaker 4
The Chair, if I may, yes, sir, the equipment that commissioner is asking for is law enforcement equipment, and of course, the military uses that equipment. Can use that equipment as well. But distractionary devices, if you came up with a list of what you were looking for, specifically, we could provide that. But these we do have distraction devices. They're called flash bangs. We also have chemical munitions that we deploy when necessary if we have a crowd control situation. But we don't classify those as military grade, and when we purchase them, we don't purchase them through a military supplier. Of course, the military may use that same manufacturer, but I think that your question needs to be more tailored, and then we could probably answer it at a report that could be submitted to the board.
Unknown Speaker
Okay, Commissioner the wash.
Speaker 17
Thank you, Mr. Chair, yes, under benefits, employee benefits, there's a line item that's called other benefits expense, and the amended budget for that item was, line item was 541,000 and the actual was 3.7 million. I'm just trying to understand what those benefits are and why there's such a large variance.
Speaker 16
The thing that comes to mind commissioner is the payouts that we do. The Pension Benefit is a portion of that, and then payouts when the police officers retire, is my other item. However, I can give the Board more detail on what exactly goes into that, but those are two big items, right? Okay,
Unknown Speaker
thank you. You are okay. Mr.
Speaker 1
Freeze, if you can come up here with them, you stay there. Want to make sure that that everything is on point in terms of us being able to review for the next budget, everything is on track that we, our staff, our secretary, yourself, and our team have a chance to go over this budget in a sufficient amount of time. You know where we stand with that
Speaker 18
through the Chair. Thank you for the question. It's pertinent one that is as as the executive fiscal manager to the BL PC, I think the most important thing in terms of
Speaker 18
reviewing this budget for for DPD is to review it with an accelerated timeline versus what we received last year. So Mr. Mazarko has been a great partner. He spoke to that today, which is maybe the most important part, I think, of his presentation is now looking forward, is that we are able to review the next fiscal year budget submission instead of receiving and in February to receive it at the end of this year. And we've been working with Mr. Nazarko on following through with that. And I, I think we should expect that as a board, yes,
Speaker 1
and um, and that'll give commissioners the opportunity to be able to go through this budget for next year, you know, raise a sharp, sharp, you know, and get it to the budget committee and get it to the full commission, so that we can really, really go through it, line by line, in a efficient manner,
Speaker 18
through the chair, with that extra time that the board would receive. I think that there are some of these questions that are being raised that deserve investigation, and Mr. Nozzo, as the CFO, might not be the right person for the board to to dig deeper with. But again, with this, with this greater time, the right area experts in the right format can be, can be, we can submit inquiries with or even bring them into the budget committee or bring them before the board. Absolutely.
Unknown Speaker
Mr. Moore, Mr. Moore,
Speaker 5
Mr. Freeze. Do we have an update on their citizens, a request that we were discussing a couple weeks ago.
Speaker 18
Commissioner there's still investigating that needs to be done. I need to check with the with the budget department to see if spend can be had by the board. And a suggestion from a member of the staff is that maybe, in terms of the execution we can, we could partner with with DPD, and their budget has a degree of resources that are much greater than ours, and so maybe we put play a role, but maybe It's a partnership with other departments, and that this initiative will serve the total city and all departments within it. I like the partnership. Thank you, sir. Yeah.
Speaker 1
And moving forward, I want us to, you know, really put our heads around going after some grants, you know, getting with a lot of organizations and things of that nature, to be able to make sure that we are able to identify some places that can partner with us, so that we can be able to do some community events and and also bring in more staff to be able to deal with that backlog, you know. But thank you Mr. Freeze and thank you. Mr. Nazarco, thank you for the report, and we look forward to baptizing the new budget in a more awful and meaningful way.
Unknown Speaker
Same here, Mr. Chair,
Speaker 1
thank you. Yep, let's go to
Unknown Speaker
board secretary. BOARD SECRETARY, yeah, thank
Unknown Speaker
you. Finally,
Commissioner Bernard
the report from the Secretary today, incoming information only, which should be in your binders, and the announcements are as printed. Next meeting is Thursday, September 12, 6:30pm fourth preset at Kimani Recreation Center, which is located 2260, South port Street in Detroit. The next community meeting is scheduled for Thursday, October 10, at 6:30pm third precinct Goodwill Industries Career Center, which is located 2777, East Grand Boulevard in Detroit. That concludes the report from BOARD SECRETARY today, sir.
Speaker 1
Thank you very kindly, and I want to thank you for working with us. We've been contacted institutions to be able to get some interns on board. And so we had a great, great conversation with unit University of Detroit law school and and that's moving very well. And, you know, look forward to being able to execute that expeditiously so that we can bring more help in, so that we can get some more work done. So thank you, Madam Secretary, and even Mr. Brown for your leadership and your hard work there and then. The board attorney has been working very diligently with us on a lot of things as well. Let's go to the we did announcements, Policy Committee.
Commissioner Bernard
Thank you, Mr. Chairman the and my colleagues on behalf of the policy committee, most of you have a summary of the policy committee updates in your in your package. Myself, attended the chair the committee, along with Commissioner Eva dewash The community. Committee Attendees included the board secretary Lydia Garnier. Let
Speaker 1
the record reflect that we don't have committee members on other than board members on there. So community attendees,
Commissioner Bernard
Miss Jasmine Taylor, administrative assistant, Theresa blossom, community relations coordinator, Miss Mary Barber, civilian oversight analyst, Mr. I mean, Attorney Dante Goss, interim board, Attorney Steven Lamoreaux, Director of crime, data analytics, and Deputy Chief Hayes of crime, strategic of the crime. Strategic Bureau, strategies Bureau, sorry, deep, we reviewed the DPD approved specifications report on the skydio unmanned aerial system, Stephen lamareau and Commissioner Bernard provided an introduction and overview of the specification report, highlighting that the drones will be used for search and rescue crime accident scenes and mental health issues in the community. Stephen lamaro provided answers that the committee had about the scottio unmanned aerial system drones. There was a staff review and community review conducted by Miss Teresa blossom. Miss Miss blossom presented community feedback gathered via Survey Monkey prior to the approval of the specification report. Key points included the community familiarity with drones. They support their support for drones in enhancing surveillance, evidence collection, officer safety and response and response times. Concerns were also noted regarding privacy and potential misuse. Following this direction, myself and Commissioner dewash voted and agreed to move the specification report out of committee to the full board for review and approval. I don't know what's wrong with this phone anyway, for review and approval. So we are going to where our report would be that it would be removed, of course, and approved for submission to the full board. The second item that we addressed was the specification report. Novo digital radiography technology professional for the professional development Bureau, Steven amaro presented the specification report outlining an upgrade to the existing system used by dpds bomb disposal unit the NoVo digital radiography technology, which are really X rays, will enhance the unit's ability to safely photograph and investigate suspicious packages, aiding in rapid risk management and Community Safety. Steven Lamoureux addressed committee concerns and provided various clarifications after discussion around the report committee, Bernard, I'm sorry myself and Commissioner D wash voted and agreed to move the specification report out of committee to the full board for review and approval. Finally, there was a request for the approval of the sigcox specification report for dumping cameras. Stephen Lamoreaux introduced and overviewed the specification report, noting that the cameras will be used to address illegal dumping activities in Detroit. I expressed concerns regarding the number of cameras, 265, and the potential for constant surveillance of of city city residents. Deputy Chief Hayes provided detailed explanations on the cameras usage, highlighting their capability to capture a range of criminal activities, beyond illegal dumping, including homicides, narcotics operations, human trafficking and other offenses. Deputy Chief Hayes assured the committee that the cameras are not intended for community surveillance, but as a tool for Crime Prevention and and enforcement. He also ensured the committee that he will be provided. He will be provided with updated stats on illegal dumping, enforcement efforts and related crimes. The specification report will be deferred until the September 17, 2024, meeting to allow for further evaluation of the need for additional cameras and to better understand the justification for their deployment. That includes my report. The next meeting will be September 17, 2024
Unknown Speaker
any questions? Yes, sir,
Speaker 5
I'm just wondering, is the department willing to be transparent and provide us a monthly update as it relates to the usage of these cameras, providing the raw data we haven't seen that before, whether it be license plate readers or any of the other issues we've had regarding electronic surveillance. You know, the board passes it, and then we don't hear anything else from it. We don't know how it's being used, if there's a check and balance, and say, internal check and balance, and the board never hears anything about it. So I'm just wondering if that's on the table DC, do
Speaker 4
uh, through the chair. I guess it's on the table now, but definitely something I'll push to the chief, and I'm pretty sure that we come up with something that the Board of fine, acceptable,
Unknown Speaker
yeah. Thank you, Chairman.
Unknown Speaker
Yes.
Speaker 19
Does the chair of the committee wish to make these motions to have the board adopt these reports. Yes,
Unknown Speaker
yes, I'd
Commissioner Bernard
like, I'd move that the that the board adopt the report. So
Speaker 19
the the motion would be by directing of the policy committee, because it's not a personal motion, right? Any motion, right, by direction of the policy committee, you move that the board will adopt the unmanned aerial systems report, does the does the board wish to divide these two motions?
Commissioner Bernard
Yes,
Speaker 19
so you'll report one, you'll do one and then do the other. Madam Chair, you
Commissioner Bernard
may go right ahead and report both of them, since my eyes aren't as good as yours,
Speaker 19
excuse me, no, it's a matter whether or not the commission wants to handle these two motions separately, yes, but then the first motion would be by direction of the policy committee. You move adoption. I
Speaker 1
want to do it for commissioner to watch being at your committee member to make the motion. The
Speaker 19
one can make the motion, but as long as they say by direction of the policy committee, because it's not a personal motion, it's a committee motion
Commissioner Bernard
by direction of the policy committee. Our motion is that the board adopt the report regarding the specification report for the skydio unmanned aerial system and our report regarding drones and other special and other special, specific reports presented by Ms blossom, and that we adopt the NoVo digital radiography Technology Professional Development Bureau specification report. And then finally, the approval. Well, no, that's That's right, okay.
Unknown Speaker
It's no second required, because, okay,
Unknown Speaker
if there's no objection,
Speaker 5
yes, sir, close discussion more. So, so I would prefer to table it until that by understanding energy is there. So I'll just go ahead and vote my conscience. That
Unknown Speaker
would be a motion to postpone, not to table.
Speaker 5
I haven't made, I didn't make the motion, just speaking out loud.
Speaker 1
Okay, all right, motion made by Commissioner Bernard Jackson. You know, it's approved. It's one of Jackson's. So do we have a roll call,
Speaker 19
you would have to state the motion, Mr. Chair,
Speaker 1
okay, and to approve the specs report for Scotty Mann aerial system. And also to approve specification report for the naval digital radiology Rafi, technology, professional development
Commissioner Bernard
Bureau, that's it.
Unknown Speaker
All in favor. Question,
Unknown Speaker
ask for debate. All in favor.
Speaker 19
You have to ask for debate. Mr. Chair, are you ready for the question? Are
Unknown Speaker
you ready for the question? Go, sir,
Speaker 1
are you guys all approved for ready for the question? And so, did we entertain a motion or no, you
Speaker 19
have a motion. Okay, at this point you can ask any objection,
Unknown Speaker
any objections.
Speaker 19
Okay, so then, then you need, you don't have to have a roll call vote. You can just ask
Unknown Speaker
All in favor, yes, say aye,
Commissioner Bernard
aye.
Unknown Speaker
Anyone opposed the motion is carried. There
Unknown Speaker
you go. Second. All right, thank
Speaker 1
you, Kylie, she get us together. Thank you. We pay a lot of money for it too. Yeah. All right, yeah. I was also would like to make sure that in that memorandum be corrected, just say attendees, and not community, community, slash committee attendees, but attendees make that clear. All right, we're going to go to Deputy Chief Williams,
Unknown Speaker
you closed sessions?
Speaker 1
No, we're not going into closed session. Deputy Chief Williams, you have an announcement
Speaker 4
for us through the Chair of the altar has resigned.
Unknown Speaker
Okay? All right.
Unknown Speaker
All right, sir,
Speaker 5
just one quick question. Is there any further legal issues surrounding that officer. To your knowledge, I
Speaker 4
don't know. I have to do a follow up to find that out. Thanks.
Speaker 1
Yeah, yep. When that happens, do information? Go to the do the department continue to investigate whether something happened with that person and that information go to MCOs,
Speaker 4
um, PSB are professional standards rural. They'll, they'll continue to do the investigation. Or they generally put down on the officers resignation, resigned under charges or resigned under investigation, and as for it to impose
Speaker 1
and that forward to M costs, okay. Thank you very kindly. What is your pleasure? Board motion made by Commissioner Bernard to adjourn, second by Commissioner Moore. All in favor, say, aye, and one opposed. The motion is carried.