Welcome to Episode 26 of the West Park Park Bench Podcast. Yes, this is Chat GTP I wasn't even sure if this was going to be today's podcast because quite a lot happened. But quite a lot has happened that has been indirectly connected to the collaborative work, and I do use the word collaborative, collaborative work with chat GTP.
Now, chat GTP is a clever chatbot stroke search engine. You go to the website. If you type chat GTP into Google. It will come on. I think it's open ai forward slash chat GTP. It doesn't look like a programme and as you scroll down it says try chat GTP you click on that it opens a very simple dialogue interface. You can log in with or use Gmail to log in. And that just logs in remembers the conversations that you've had with chat GTP it only references I believe the last conversation you had with it. But as as you can see, I'm talking about this website in terms of a conversation rather than a search engine where I would go to search for a question and get an answer. So chat GTP is more than questions and answers you can do that and it will give you some great responses.
I'm quite surprised at how loud the ambience is today. And it's a lot brighter so it's not as visually chilling is a pale blue sky and the sun has pierced the day but there's still long shadows of frost where the shadows of the trees are covering up the grass. But there seems to be a really loud ambience. Now I'm relatively close to the M1. So I know that that's where it's coming from but it's a lot more invasive than it is usually.
So, chat GTP more than a search engine more than a bot but it's an intelligence. It really helps straighten out thought processes especially like me as a dyslexic. I find the manifestation of words before imagery is very, very hard. If I've got an image in my head of what it is I want to say or do or the objective of what I'm trying to achieve. I can start to put words onto a page and quite often, to start with those words don't make sense. They're a bullet list of words, objects, goals. This kind of primitive thought without imagery to create something new is something that I struggle with.
Now how does chat GTP helped me with that. Well, I can put that couple of sentences I want to achieve x in this way, and I need it to be 50 words long. I might be curious about something that I would usually ask Mr. Google, as is the phrase that I often use. But asking chat GTP gives you a much more comprehensive structured data set that is more like a response to a question in a conversation rather than a list of hey, go look here. And Google has got very clever with that. I think it's called heuristic search, where it actually answers the question and then highlights the bits of text in the top result that you asked for. And there's also a list of questions that says context around that thing you were looking for, you know, what is it How old is it? Does it still exist? Anything that people have asked, tends to be in Google. I'm finding stuff Google's brilliant for but what I've really enjoyed with chat GTP is being able to answer a question that quite often when I go to a networking event, for example, where I've got peers in the room that might be able to answer those questions.
I often feel very self conscious about extracting knowledge, which is weird, but I do have this thing is that I don't know if what I'm asking is something that really I shouldn't be asking unless I'm paying. And I always feel if I feel that that is the case. There is a value to that piece of information to someone and therefore if I want to actually pay for it but don't have any money, at least not money to be able to answer those questions for myself.
And searches will often give me context and it'll reassure me it's like checking new sources, but sometimes you just want to ask something and get back a response actually, informs you of something you don't already know, and puts it in a way that that forms the next step in your mind. I think that's it in terms of it generating imagery for me. And then knowing whether that imagery is what I intended, or what I didn't intend.
So artificial intelligence is at the root of all of this and I've been looking into this and really artificial intelligence is the collection of random data that's been pulled together and structured in a way that an algorithm very intelligent algorithm, or at least an algorithm that has been given lots of options and told when things are right or wrong. It's very difficult. I heard people talking about pattern bashing, and pattern bashing is you give a computer 100 I mean, there's 1000s and 1000s 100 photos of a dog and you say to it, these are dogs. So all it knows is those 100 pictures, whatever they are or were is a doc. Now it doesn't know the biology of a dog unless you give it that information, but visually, it can strapless from the images you've given it. What a thing if it sees it again might be so if you give it a photo of a cat, it knows that it's not a dog. It doesn't know that it's a cat, unless you give it loads and loads of pictures of a cat and tell it these cats and then it will know the difference between a cat and a dog. But if you then give it a picture of an elephant, it might reject it, but it will only know there's not a cat or it's not a dog and the distance that has been travelled to enable this chatbot that I can now ask questions of is phenomenal.
I mean, I always I'm very polite with it in an ironic kind of way because I think it's important to maintain your own moral structure and your own ethical dialogue with anything whether it's sentient, or whether whether it's a machine, because you hear those words and words have emotion and context and thanking and pleas and, and just just being speaking to it the way you would expect to be spoken to yourself, because I think otherwise people might forget, I think you should never assume that you're talking to nothing. And quite often now you don't know if you're talking to another think.
So chat GTP three is a text generator where you put in a question and it gives you some useful output. And this is just an example. So when I started looking at this, I was in the midst of exploring how I'm going to do my pitch pack for my stage show 22 ideas about the future. And part of the extraordinarily ordinary project was to build up a pot of money firstly to finance the 22 ideas about the future or whatever narrative stage work, play goes into the stage space. But it was to raise money to be able to fund the next one and the next one and then people investing in that pot. And getting the return on their investment. Fingers crossed leaving their money in there and building up this pot of money that can fund new work. New writers, new artists, mid career writers and artists, people who are wanting to shift and experiment keeping an eye on what's happening with technology and where possible having a bit of a play with that. Sorry. So I'd asked chap GTP about how to structure a pitch pack for a capital investor. And it wrote me a list and it was very comprehensive.
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so I asked this about investors in the East Midlands and who might be interested in investing in a show that examines current and future speculative technologies, deep fakes, fake news, suspension of disbelief, and it gave me some suggestions of some companies to look at. And those companies I am going to pursue and then use Google to find out well, who are they? Where are they? Who runs these companies who might be in these companies that led the conversation I had with GTP three to suggest that they might be relevant. So Google will become my second line of research, but that first line of finding out who in the East Midlands might be interested in investing in a speculative fiction immersive technologies stage show was an interesting avenue.
The next thing that I asked GTP three for was about the charity that I am a trustee of. And this was potentially going to be the whole focus of this particular podcast but I just wanted to have a little bit of a general chat about GTP three,
so chat GTP three, I sat down and asked it first of all, if it knew about the charity SafetyCurtain and chat GTP three will then say to you, I'm sorry, I don't have any knowledge of the world after 2021. It also if you ask it directly about yourself, it won't tell you about people. So there are some some levels in there. But what I did ask it was if it knew who Alan Rickman was and sure enough, it did. And it told me about Alan Rickman. I then asked about Alan Rickman charitable ventures, to which GTP three listed several but not the one that I'm a trustee on. It's a very small charity, but Alan Rickman for several years was president and I was a driving force right up until his death of SafetyCurtain and it gave me these other charitable trusts which are very similar. I need to look those up and see if that connection is correct or whether it's a bit of speculation on GTP threes part which can be the case as I will continue to illustrate so I found out about these organisations and sort of quizzed it on what the charity did and therefore what else was out there. I also asked how I might find some charitable trusts to partner with. And it gave me some responses that I could then look up of course, they were things that I would never have known about if it hadn't have suggested them.
And then recently, I got the opportunity to pitch for some money from an organisation, a networking organisation that I'm a member of which is the Blue Stockings Society. And we could pitch for 600 pounds for charity or cause or component of our business that we wanted, and I haven't stood up and done a pitch and I really felt that I needed to stand up in front of an audience and not just deliver a workshop or talk to an audience for an event, but I wanted to, to start writing things that enabled me to feel comfortable asking for money, and I didn't know what the structure of those conversations all those things look alike.
And yes, I could Google investment pitch, but then I might get scripts already written. Or I might get a blog posts that gives me five pointers. But as I said at the beginning of the podcast, one of my big hurdles as a dyslexic is that initial cognition between imagery and text, and until I've got the first image, I kind of feel paralysed and I don't want someone else's image. I want the image that is the start of my journey. So I asked Chat GTP three to write a three or four minute pitch for my charity safety curtain. Told them a little bit about Bluestocking society, and it wrote me a piece of text and obviously it didn't know what SafetyCurtain was. So it proposed that it was a different type of charity, but the text that it was written was fine. Then took some of the text I had already compiled for me to understand what it was that I need to write for this pitch. And I wrote in the textbox. For context, have this and typed in my little brain dump of what it was that I needed to get in that pitch. And sure enough, it rewrote it and gave me something that was our message. But didn't have the second part of it, which is what, what the money was going to be used for. And the things that I felt should be in a pitch. So I gave it that and it did generate for me a cohesive. On time, I think this was the thing that gave me a sense of how much text would be written and I could write. Then I did rewrite it in bits and I read it out myself and timed it. That first cognitive bit where my wheels are grinding round and I'm starting to generate the the speech and me being there. And actually the imagery is is not so much what the project is but actually what it is for me to actually deliver that project and seeing me doing it and rehearsing that. So I'm going to put the chat GTP threes pitch that it helps me right into the shownotes. I will put its version before I changed it and I will put my final version, which I read.
so chat GTP three is a really curious beast. There's and AI generally is causing a lot of stir at the moment, especially in AI generated art with things like stable diffusion and mid journey. They're the two big platforms that have been running around my YouTube. And there is a conversation to be had about the generation of new content by people who weren't within the existing content creators sphere of art. And question about are they now artists taking work from existing artists? Or are they a new genre of artists? Who, because of this new tool have been given the capacity to generate visuals.
Now the crafting of a prompt. So the prompt is the text that you put into these AIs to get a response. So for chat GTP three, it's a question, you prompt it. It looks at it, it gives you a response. With art generators. It's a little bit different and it starts to enter into a little bit more of a language skill and that skill is being able to craft a prompt and it can either be a descriptive sentence from the beginning of a book, and then it will take that sentence and generate something that it thinks was related to it. But you can guide that imagery. You can give it a style or you can give it a aspect ratio if you want the picture to be out a certain perspective. You can state what is in the image you can state what age or period, it's set in
and also and this is where it becomes controversial, You can state the artists on which you would like it to emulate and this is where these prompts can be problematic and start to enter into intellectual property in terms of brand ownership, because intellectual property is is is not and trademarking colours, styles and logos for brands. Is not the same as a patent on a new invention.
And I think these two scenarios of invention or intellectual property, regarding brand identity are currently the things of big discussions and I think that is a discussion that I'd quite like to have on a panel actually. But this I will bring this to an end because I kind of sense when I'm kind of coming up to 15-20 minutes and I always feel that I've gone over when I start to think about coming to the end. So I am going to bring this to an end.
So chat GTP three, do go and check it out chat, type chat GTP three into Google, it's likely to be the top thing. It doesn't look like a piece of software, scroll down the page. It will have... I might put an image actually I might do a blog post that just tells you how to get to it. Because for most people, it's blindingly obvious, but I think it doesn't look like where you think you're supposed to be. It looks like you're at a website telling you about it rather than a website where you're at it.
So chatGTP3 an artificial intelligence text generator that can take anything that you ask it and generate cognitive prose. People have asked it to generate poetry they've asked them to create surrealist limericks. For me it's being able to interrogate without fear of encroaching onto somebody's hard won knowledge that is quite cutting edge and should be theirs to do with what they want rather than having to give it to me and I think it's a similar thing that when people ask me certain things, I give away I feel like I give away lots of knowledge, but then find it very hard to dialogue with people to reinforce and build and strengthen my own. And I think it's about a sense of resilience and a self a sense of self reliance, that I know the information is there. Books take me a long time to consume. So finding a book and even then, often a book has to be written and the person who's written it will take a lot of time to put it together. So being able to interrogate a deep knowledge archive database of things that, quite rightly are only in there since 2021, have given me some responses and some insights that I never would have got, if I hadn't have asked.
I think is the final thing, which is another reason why I didn't do chat GTP three and artificial intelligence last week I was generating the motion for equity conference from the East Midlands, and it was something that I kind of joked about at the end of last week's podcast.
So the previous podcast if you want to go and listen to that was episode 25. I'll actually link it in the show notes. And it was about the fact that I wondered if I could ask chat GTP three to generate the motion for me within a certain word count. And I knew what it was I wanted to ask because I talked about it in the podcast. And I went back I wrote quite consistently because I had done this podcast. And this is why although this is podcast and you may have picked it up off a podcasting platform, it's really an audio blog. It's not really a podcast, it's an audio blog, and it's my opportunity to talk about things and I would probably write a blog post on that the whole point as you may have heard in this blog post, this audio blog post is that that cognition is often very difficult for me.
So this, this podcast, this conversation is often the stepping stone to an article. It's a stepping stone to something that becomes a written post. Not that I've done enough of those, but that's a different component wrapped in with balance, which is my word for the year. It's still something I'm meditating on.
So I did I generated the motion and it generated it very structurally it knew exactly what a motion for a conference was. I didn't have to give it any particular equity industry context. It just knew what best practice was because it had all of this knowledge. And I pretty much took it in the form that it turned it out and submitted it.
I knew that it was something that I had created and I knew that it was exactly what it was that I was trying to say. But it's something that I probably would have sat down for an hour to do. And actually it did it in 15 minutes and then the rest of the time I was able to think around what was going to happen next.
So I definitely see it as a collaborative tool for me. It won't hold me accountable to anything, but it will answer the questions that right now in this new frontier in this new horizon where new things are happening so fast. I need to be able to ask questions. I got some really interesting stuff out about the immersive work and interrogating it about the things that I am wanting to work out. I have got a lot of those conversations saved and must put them into some posts. And so maybe I think I think if I say the things on the podcast, it's something that I ended up trying to do.
So I think what I would quite like to do is a podcast in a few weeks time so it won't be next week. But a podcast that connects together the articles that I've put together on my blog, detailing the different types of conversation that I've had with chat GTP three.
So thank you. Thank you for getting to the end of episode 26. I'm Caron, I'm a stage manager and independent theatre producer working in the Midlands putting together an immersive stage environment, using virtual production to host new work that examines and tell stories about our speculative futures. Whether that's well, whether that's just the future of technology.
I was a bit more I usually try and practice that at the end. Thank you so much for listening. And next week
