Sure. So the way I describe empathy is not a pure definition, as in a dictionary definition, but sort of for people to to relate to the word empathy. So what? So what I use is, it's the innate trait that unites us in our common humanity. So empathy is an innate trait that we all possess, that unites us in our common humanity without and I always have a little caveat or a little asterisk without denying or discounting lived experience. So my understanding of empathy is on a continuum where I have pity, sympathy, compassion and empathy. And some people say, Well, why is compassion, like not equivalent to empathy? And there's like an East Coast, West Coast, as far as I can see, perspective like compassion in the West Coast is all about, you know, feeling what someone else is feeling, and then acting to improve their situation or reduce their stress or discomfort. There's a sense of like action, as far as I can tell, from the West Coast compassion folks. And I don't, I don't take anything away from compassion, but I find that compassion is more of a feeling. It's like when you feel what someone else is feeling, but I pay a lot more attention to our capacity for perspective taking so when we consider what someone else is going through. So that's why, you know, when I wrote a book, I wrote it on purposeful empathy. So empathy on purpose, it's empathy that we decide to lean into, because I'm sure you're familiar with Paul Bloom's book. He says, you know, empathy sucks, basically, and it's because he's only looking at it from the perspective of empathy, right? And I think a lot of things can be improved if we were to dial up the cognitive empathy or the purposeful empathy. So it's the innate trait that we all possess that unites us in our common humanity. So we all have a certain like we have the capacity for this whole arena of human emotions and human experiences. We experience loss and fear and shame and disappointment. And love and all of that. So empathy is the thing that allows us to understand what other people are going through. But the asterisk that I use is without denying or discounting lived experience, because we can't ever really know what someone else is going through. So I really love and I'll stop the monolog you've given me the open door. You there's a Turkish born American scholar by the name of Elif Gup chidem, who has a PhD in Islamic art. And I asked her, because she does a lot of work with museum curators and wants to create public spaces for empathy building, and she thinks that museums are a great place for that. I asked her, you know, what did she learn through her studies on Islamic art that informed her thinking about empathy? And she gave me a metaphor that I that is still stuck with me, and it really does animate my way of thinking about empathy. So she talks about the circle as a geometrical shape, all other shapes, like triangles, like our three lines, and then, you know, you can, you can put four dots on a piece of paper, and it makes a square or rectangle, or whatever that shape is that's on a, you know, like a diagonal. And then she, she gave the metaphor of, like, you drop your paint brush into a can of paint, and then you splotch it onto the wall, and it's like 100 different spots of paint. And if you connect them all, they don't have a a name to that shape, right? So we have some shapes have names, and some shapes don't have names. But she said, no matter what you do, like if you no matter what shape you have, if you stretch it to its natural conclusion, if you stretch out all the sides and you stretch it out, you keep stretching, keep stretching, keep stretching, they all form a circle. So the backstory being that the circle encompasses everything. Okay? So that's the first entry point. And then she says, if you think of the circumference of a circle as an infinite number of dots along its circumference, and you add 10 more, or 10,000 more or 10 million more, the shape doesn't change. It just grows or shrinks, if you're adding or subtracting spots. So she says, I want you to imagine right now we're like about 8 billion people on the planet. So think of 8 billion dots along the circumference of this circle. Every single one of them, without exception, is equidistant to the center. So if you use, if you're a believer, you might use the word God. If you're an atheist, you might use breath, whatever you use to say, what animates us, what brings us into this thing that we're experiencing right now, life, whatever, Big Bang universe, God, we're all equidistant to that. And so you can, you can really kind of stretch that meaning to like we're all universally worthy, just by virtue of being born, regardless of what shape, color, creed, country, religion, we've been born into. And then she says, you know, if you think of the circle again, you could have two side by side, or two nearby or two on opposite sides, no matter, no matter where you are in relation to someone another spot, we all have a different perspective on the center, even if we're side by side. So I love the fact that so the definition I use is really kind of like bringing that whole metaphor to life, that empathy is the innate trait that unites us in our common humanity without denying or discounting lived experience. A