knew if you've been here for a while, thank you for being here. Welcome, welcome. Hey, Tim. Hey, Chelsea. Nice to see you. I Joe three. I, Tanya.
Okay, let's get started. So this is our sixth the lucidity induction group. And we're so delighted to be here with all of you on your lucid dreaming journeys. Can you all hear me? Okay? Good. Okay. Great. Wonderful. So for those of you who are here for the first time, I'm going to drop our group intentions in the chat so you can read those and join us in and holding the intentions together. And with that being said, I will pass it over to Bodie.
Hello, everyone. I'll just briefly go over what we talked about last month, maybe some of you weren't there. And it might inspire you to go back and look at the recordings in nightclub. So last month, we, we started a series where Chelsea is talking about benefits of lucid dreaming. And last month, she talked about healing benefits of lucid dreaming. So here shortly show probably some more benefits of lucid dreaming another category. Last month, Katie worked with us and did a demonstration or a practice of creating or doing 21 breaths and breathing with the red pearl. And then the last month I talked about creating a sacred space as a way to increase your and inducing lucid dreaming. So that was what we did last month, if any of that's interesting to you, or you want to review that there is our recordings of all of these events at the nightclub in nightclub at the website, so there you go.
Thanks Bodhi. So today we're gonna begin with just a brief practice as a way of connecting in with our inner experience, our outer experience and perceiving both of these as a dream as dreamlike. So this is sort of my take on an illusory foreign practice that can be done as a meditation. So let's begin by finding a comfortable seat, perhaps in your chair or on the ground. If you're on the ground, cross your legs, and if you're sitting up in a chair, feel your feet flat against the ground against the earth beneath you. Close your eyes and rest your hands gently in your lap or on your thighs. Wherever it's comfortable for you. Sit up right with a straight spine. And if it's comfortable if it feels okay for you, if you are in a chair, perhaps bringing your back just a little bit forward from the back of the chair so that you're holding yourself up while still being relaxed and open and comfortable. Feel your heart open, shoulders slightly back
feel your spine straight and slightly tuck your chin just so that The spine is straight and your head isn't tipping back at all
and bring your awareness to your body and your breath
first simply notice how do you feel and what sensations are arising in your body in this moment
this could be the expansion and contraction of the chest and belly with each breath or it could simply be sensations arising in your body
or your inner experience of how you feel
whatever you notice simply offer acceptance to the experience without judgment or trying to change it
for the next few moments in silence Be aware of your feelings and sensations and offer them radical acceptance
now, whatever these feelings and sensations are see them as a dream these are dream feelings dream dreams sensations feel them as such
now, shift your awareness to your sense of hearing both what you hear in the space around you as well as any internal voices you hear in your mind
for the next few moments in silence be aware of what you here and offer radical acceptance to whatever arises.
And now, perceive these inner and outer sounds as dream sounds. This is a dream these are dream sounds. Here them as such
And now slowly and gently blink your eyes open taking in the visual field all around you in your space on the screen perhaps out the window
notice these images these objects, the play of light
notice everything as a witness without judgment. Simply seeing
and see this world these images, this light as a dream this is a dream
and now as we move into our session, our time together today bring these elements with you, the feeling, the hearing, and the seeing each of these are a dream, what we feel what we hear what we see. It's all a dream
Thank you, Katie. So the more that we can do that on a daily basis, we'll find that that is really helpful with inducing our lucidity in the dream world. So great to take some time today and and just repeat that practice. So fantastic. I'm going to be talking about dream signs and hear in just a moment. And while you're coming back in to this space, and getting your feet on the ground, still realizing that this is a dream. I wanted to share with you something I'm going to drop something in the chat right now. So this is a link to a magazine. That is put out by Robert Wagner. And if anyone doesn't know, Robert Wagner, definitely check them out his books is kind of could be considered like a pioneer in just bringing to light a lucid dream. And he's been in the community. Geez, I guess since the 80s or something I don't know. But fantastic. He's got a magazine. And so this last area this month edition, June edition, he interviewed Katie. And so check it out. So the interview really highlights healing and spirituality that that Katie talks about her own experience in these areas with lucid dreaming so so check that out. Also. At that link To the magazine, there's a link at the top that says articles. And it kind of shows different categories for that the magazine has. So some of those are like solving problems, how to lucid dream techniques and tips. spiritual subjects healing, so Katie's interview will probably be under healing I would imagine. So also nightmares and shadows, select from categories. So the magazine, I think has a lot to offer. And so wanted to put that out there for you guys to check it out. So and so with that, I'm going to talk about dream signs. So I like to put dream signs into two categories. So one is dream signs that come from the dream. And then the other category is dream signs that you self induce, you induce them into the dreams. So dream sign is something that shows up in your dream. And if you're, if you're aware, you realize, or like when you wake up, like for me, when I wake up, I'm like, wow, that I only see that in my dreams. That's a dream sign, I should, I should know that I'm dreaming. The next time that that shows up in my dream because it shows up often or something. So dream in the category of dream signs that come from the dream. For me. One dream sign is my mother. If I see my mother, it I'm probably dreaming, because she has passed away. So. So what I do with my dream signs is I have a page in the front of my dream journal. And I list my dream signs so that I just remember and sometimes I'll review those just before going to bed, just to make sure okay, if I see him, my mother, if I see my brother, I'm dreaming. Like, I know, I'm dreaming. And then I can do a state check. So like, taking my finger trying to put it through my hand that goes through, ah, I'm dreaming. Yes. So the dream science can help us wake up so that we do a state check. And then we realize, yes, I am dreaming. Some of the other dreams signs that come from dreams. I, for me, is like a weird bathroom. Like, in the dream. I'm like trying to find a bathroom, I find a bathroom. And it's not very private. Like, yeah, there's a toilet, but there's like no door stall or something like that. Or it's just and I'm like, Oh, this is weird, you know, just not normal. So not normal bathroom. So I have that written down. And and I've started to catch that. You know, a few times, it's harder for me to catch those dream signs, but I'm still trying to always keep an eye on them. So I have a list of those. If I see this, I know I'm dreaming. It's a dream sign. The other category is self induced. And this is where I've had the most success. And a self induced dream sign is where you pick something. And you say, when I see this, I'm going to do a state check. I'm going to check because I want to see this in my dream. And when I see this in my dream, I'll know to do a state check and then realize that I'm I'm doing and become lucid. So, for me, I started out with looking at my hand that's you know, one of the common state checks I like if I see my hand, but I moved on to like, Oh, what about a color so, so I chose red. So I put that as a you know, it's a dream sign if I spared I'm going to check so throughout my working life, whenever I see like a red car, a red firetruck in anything like that, I would do a state check. And so that, that created a dream sign to go into my dream. And and sure enough, my I called dream weaver, that part of me that creates dreams start putting red things like a bed of super red, baby buggy, you know, the old 1960s pushed the baby around. And I woke up, oh my gosh, you know that that was the dream spine that I was trying to that I created. And I didn't catch it. So you know, in those moments, you try not to be mad at yourself, and just say, Okay, next time next time. Read was a little hard for me for some reason. But interesting enough. My dream weaver, that part of me that creates dreams, put in something really bright yellow into my dream. And I caught that. I was like, Oh, I'm dreaming. And it wasn't necessarily a choice I made consciously to be a dream sign. But I got it. I understood that. Oh, I am dreaming. So do the state check. And I was lucid had a great long, lucid dream. So your subconscious is listening to you throughout the day. And so just giving those messages, it gets through and there and you know, and you'll be surprised your dream wave is giving you these opportunities to recognize that you're dreaming. So I sometimes wake up laughing, knowing Oh, I should have caught that. You know, my dream weaver was trying to give me a sign a dream sign. So that's some of the things that are two different categories. So right now, I would invite you to go ahead and write in the chat, any dream signs that you can think of for you. What do you want? Right now? What do you just kind of remember? Oh, this is a dream sign? I only see this happening in my dreams. So right now take a moment and let us know what what you can think of that would be a dream sign for you.
Yeah, so seen pets who've passed away some? So someone who's been close to you? That was you know, a valuable part of your life or was and they're no longer here? Yeah, you see them? You're probably dreaming. So do a state check. Oh, yeah. seen your hands with you know, something's off fingers messing something like that. Wow, this is going fast. Help me out. Katie are JLC
Yeah, so I'm seeing like a lot of people if an animal who has passed away or a person who has passed away, being in my childhood home, that's a great one. Mary and I often have dreams in my childhood home too. And I don't always catch that I'm dreaming but yeah. Giant Husky or golden lapdogs snake mother? Zombies Oh, that's interesting. My head to fog darkness or haziness? Yeah, that's it. That's a really good one. Yeah. Flight Yeah, lifting off to fly. That's mine. And I see someone else said flight as well. rock concert because I don't go to them. Yeah, I often will have like really busy dreams taking place in a city or somewhere where there's a lot of people and I'm not often in those situations either. So that can be a really good dream sign different than what would be in our waking world. Talking infant awesome. Yeah. Playing sports I no longer play weird train travel. Yeah, seeing deceased parents exotic plants and crystals seeing a sink rainbows. Again flight. Large on a labyrinth. I lost my car and can't find it. That is totally one for me too. Donald all the time. I never have noon waking life, but it happens all the time in dreams. I'm eating a hot dog. I'm vegetarian. Yeah. Oh, yeah, high school. No clothes on at work, teeth falling out. Yeah, the teeth falling out one, or anything weird with teeth like flimsy teeth. We're had the flimsy teeth dreams. Great. These are great. Thank you all. And I like very what you're saying sometimes it's hard to distinguish between dream signs or just ordinary memories totally. I find that I'm working with like, if we have ordinary memories that could are continuing to arise in a dream. I'm actually working with those and recapitulating them where we're revisiting the memory, and kind of pre processing it so that it doesn't arise in our dreams can make them less likely to come up in the dream. And then what is coming up in the dream is more more recent, or weren't dream signs or more what you're intending for it. But that's a really good point, Barry. And then test anxiety, flying lions and other wild animals. I like the animal, like several people have it. I know Chelsea has that as a dream send to large cats are often a dream sign for her. And then working at a radio station and not knowing what I'm doing. Nice. Cool, thank you. Oh, that's
so great. Yes. Yeah, thank you. So that's some ideas for dream signs. If there's, you know, one of those that is coming up quite a bit, you know, or more often than the others. Yes, see about writing that on a dream sign list and reviewing that list just before bed. Knowing that there's a good possibility you might have that, that character or that event show up in your dreams tonight. So be prepared, and just be prepared that, you know, you, you tell yourself, okay, this is what I'm going to do. If I see this, if this happens, if I see this pet who has passed away if I, if I'm at a rock concert, this is what I'm going to do. So pick out some kind of state check that you you often do, hopefully, because state checks work really well. Or can if you do them often enough. So just maybe this this month, pick maybe one or two dreams signs that show up a lot. And just throughout the day, say okay, when this when I see this, if I see this, I'm going to do this state check and and see if I'm dreaming to verify and that's, you know, and then you're gonna be able to evaluate your your lucidity, how lucid are you, and you can move on from there. So we look forward to hearing about that. So thank you, and we'll move on to Chelsea.
Okay, no, she is.
All right. So next we have the creative benefits of lucid dreaming. And before I start, I just want to share with all of you that I'm currently in the process of grieving someone who is pretty significant in my life. So I want to share that with all of you and be vulnerable about it. Because I know that grief is pretty prevalent in our lives, and wanted to share with all of you that you're not alone in whatever you're grieving right now. So I'm sending love to you. And I'm going to be relying quite heavily on my notes. While I'm presenting to all of you today. It's been so good to be here with all of you. So let's see here. So the creative benefits of lucid dreaming so lucid dreaming really fosters creativity by expanding the boundaries of what's possible, and the realm of imagination. and providing a sanctuary for exploration, experimentation and inspiration. So the first one that we're going to talk a little about is exploration of imagination. So lucid dreaming can really allow us to explore and interact with our imagination in vivid and immersive ways. So we can create entire worlds scenarios and characters that are limited only by our creativity. So an example of this, and a couple of you guys may have shared it on here before is I as a child used to create worlds and my dreams. One of them that I go back still too frequently is one that's half summer and half spring and like our sorry, half summer and half winter in Lake Tahoe, which is really fun to go back and, and play around in. And then we'll go into other forms of exploring the imagination, too. But I also wanted to mention here from my personal experience, that lucid dreaming has also really helped me when it comes to certain therapies like EMDR, because I recognized through my lucid dreaming how vivid my imagination could be, which has allowed me to go back into memories, for example, and really recreate them. Because our mind and our brain is made of plastic and it can change it's moldable. And so if we have access to our imagination, which we can play with through lucid dreaming, then those sorts of therapies can be more I think, beneficial. The next one is experimentation. So in a lucid dream, you can experiment with new creative techniques, styles or concepts without feeling like you're going to fearing that you're going to fail. It can lead to this freedom can lead to innovative breakthroughs in your creative work. Another one is overcoming creative blocks. So this is can be a powerful tool to solve problems that maybe you're having in your waking life when it comes to creativity. So it can provide a space for ideas to really from flow freely without the constraints of waking reality, where you can really mentally rehearse challenging scenarios or brainstorm solutions to creative or personal dilemmas. The next one is rehearsal. So anything in life, anything in waking life that you can do, you can do that in a lucid dream. So in a lucid dream, you can practice doing things like reciting lines for a play, practicing a musical instrument, swimming a speech, I know there's athletes out there that practice you know, doing whatever their sports sport is, and lucid dreaming as well as musicians. And really, this can help you develop proficiency, increase confidence and decrease anxiety. Sometimes I actually the first lucid dreaming, this group that we had before the first gathering of this group in January, I induced a lucid dream where I was actually practicing presenting to all of you, so I wouldn't feel so anxious. And then another one is conflict resolution. So relationships issues with another person can be resolved in a lucid dream. We can use this space to imagine what the conversation could be like, and recognize if this is something we can just play out in our minds, or if there actually needs to be a conversation with the person. Usually when we're having an interpersonal issue with a person, it has more to do with us than it does with them. And through this practice, we can touch on on how we are maybe reacting to the situation and consciously find a loving way forward for everyone involved. The next one is artistic expression. So lucid dreams often provide an incredibly vivid Sensatori or sensory experiences. So artists and creators can draw upon these experiences to enhance their understanding and depiction of sensory details in their work. For example, Salvador Dali is a great example of this. Google his work if you haven't heard of him before, he has very dreamy work and he used his dreams to inspire his work. So a visual artists may incorporate dream imagery into their artwork or writer may draw upon dream narratives for storytelling. I know Maryann, that's something that you do Do and then songs may arise from the dream space. So, in this process of grieving, I've noticed that when I wake up in the morning, it can be one of the most difficult times for me, because it feels like coming back into a new version of a dream that maybe I don't, not quite ready to be back in. So Katie's practice is great for that, recognizing that this is all a dream. And also, I've noticed that songs have been coming up in the morning from the dream space. So as I'm coming out of the dream, I call them heart songs will arise from the dream into waking life. And then I can pick up my guitar, or go sit out in nature, and I can sing them. And I've found them to be very comforting in this time. And then the last one that we're going to talk a little bit about is self discovery and inspiration. So lucid dreaming really offers a platform for exploring aspects of our psyche, and emotions that may not be accessible during waking life. This self discovery can inform and enrich our creative expressions, they can also provide unique insights and inspiration. You may encounter symbolic imagery metaphors or solutions to real life creative challenges that you hadn't considered before. I've definitely had this experience and I'd love for anybody who feels inspired right now to share whatever's coming up for them around, you know, their creative benefits from lucid dreaming. We'd love to hear from you if you're an artist, if if it's been more so about self discovery, and I'm just looking at the chat right now. And thank you all for your hearts and your love and, and your support. I really appreciate it.
Right, okay, well, if you guys feel inspired, at any point to put in some, you know, aspects of the creative benefits that have you've experienced in your lucid dreaming, practice, and go ahead, and we can read them when we're in the q&a. And Katie, is up next.
Thank you, Chelsea. So I'm going to share one more lucidity, induction technique, which probably a lot of you are already familiar with. This is the mild technique, mi L D, which stands for pneumonic induction of lucid dreaming. This is a technique that was invented by Stephen LaBerge. And it's nested under the category of wild which stands for awake initiated lucid dream. So mild is a wild practice. And this practice can be used in conjunction with the awaken back to bed method. So if you naturally wake up in the night, or if you set an alarm to wake up in the night, this is a great and highly effective practice for inducing a lucid dream. So there's four parts to the practice. And I'm actually I think I am going to share my screen so that we can look at them together, I've put them into for our words, so that they're easy to remember, I find that sometimes in the middle of the night, it's nice to have like a really simple way of remembering whatever practice we're doing. Yes, I see Marian nodding. So I framed them this way for myself so that I could remember them. And so I'm going to share that with all of you here. So I'll go through each of these steps. And then if you have questions, please bring them to the q&a, which will happen just in a little bit. So the first part of the practice is to when you wake up from the non lucid dream to remember the non lucid dream. And you do this by going over the non lucid dream in your mind once or twice or three times, however much you need to really remember it and have it memorized. And it can be helpful in order to remember the non lucid dream to actually stay in the position that you were in right when you woke up. So not move much. Stay where you are that can help. Help To connect with the memory. Once you have the non lucid dream memorized, the next step is to reinstate your intention to become lucid. So whatever your intention was at the beginning of the night, you want to reinstate that same intention, or if it has shifted, you can also shift it in that moment, but you want to be very clear about what your intention is, and say it again. May I become lucid in my next dream, may I wake up in the dreams for the rest of the night, however, you would word that and phrase that for yourself. Once you've reinstated your intention to become lucid, the next step is to re imagine the dream as a lucid one. So from your memory of the non lucid dream, you're going to remember the dream. But at some point, actually see yourself waking up in it, see yourself becoming lucid in it. And you can be really creative with this. You can use dream science, for example, like Bodhi spoke about, you can notice Oh, I missed that dream sign in that non lucid dream. This time, I'm going to remember myself as actually noticing that dream sign and waking up and becoming lucid. And you can imagine that you become lucid, and then play out the rest of the dream visualize, imagine what you'd like to do. Or you can simply stop at the lucid moment. I've tried it both ways. And I think it works well both ways to, to imagine yourself waking back up. And then to go into step four, which is to reenter the dream this time lucidly. Or you can reimagine the whole dream, see yourself becoming lucid and do whatever you want to do in the dream, and then let go of the reimagining and reenter the dream as you fall back into sleep. I've found that this is highly effective practice. And one important note is find your sweet spot in terms of being not too tight, not too loose as you go through, especially the memory parts of this, because one thing that can happen is if you're too tight, and you're really trying to remember the dream and you're going over it multiple times, it can be activated and wake you up too much where you won't be able to fall back asleep as easily. So you want to be holding it in a gentle way with alertness, but not too tight. And then continuing to pay attention to am I still in enough of us sleepy state to be able to fall back asleep. Because obviously we need to be able to fall back asleep in order to fall back into the lucid state of dreaming. So this is the practice remember reinstate reimagine and re enter. So if you can just get those four in your mind, then it's it can be easier when you wake up in the middle of the night to recall the process for this. Great. So this is the mild practice. And again, if you have any questions, we'll be in the q&a shortly. But before then, Bodie is going to share a poll
with the group.
All right, we'll see there it is. And so this is a poll, we do this every month, just to check in and see how, you know, what's, what's it like, what's our group doing? And so this is, if you could go ahead and look these over, see what fits for you. And that'll help us out. So, of course, never had a lucid dream. Totally understandable. And that's why so many of us are here. And so we want to support you if you're under or sometimes. You know, while I could have possibly had a lucid dream. I'm not sure that does happen if you you can resonate with that. Yeah, you might want to click that. And so I had my first lucid dream that's always exciting for us when somebody had their first lucid dream. Since we met last or something like that, so fantastic. We can We love hearing about that. And
and unsure something. You had a dream in the last month, but you're not sure if it was a lucid dream. But so it might indicate that you're getting closer, you're getting closer to a dream to where you recognize that you have a lucid dream. So and then have been a lucid dreamer for awhile. And whether you had a lucid dream this month or not, but you're a loose your, your frequent lucid dreamer or something. We got a category for you there. So what are we at 100% answered? No way. You guys are awesome. Thank you.
Now there's in writing Oh.
Wait a minute. How come I always read these polls wrong? I know. I don't get it. It says 100% answered on what I'm seeing.
Oh, it's because you're looking at the very top.
As that why. Okay. Yeah,
I see what you're looking at. Yeah, I can understand why you think that? Yeah, we're at 84%. Now. I think you just inspired a couple more people to answer. Oh, good.
Yeah, this is great. It's, there's there's some exciting results here.
Ready to close it out? Yeah.
Okay. Yeah. Let's close it. Go ahead, Chelsea.
All right. So, one out of 33 people that answered the poll, never had a lucid dream. Four out of 33 are unsure possibly have had a lucid dream. Four out of 33 had their first lucid dream in the past month.
Was it
with Bodie likes to always say if you feel comfortable, and if you'd love to then put that in the chat. Let us know what was your first lucid dream about we'd love to celebrate with you being joyful about your dreams is such an important part of this practice. The next one is one out of three is unsure possibly had their first lucid dream in the past month. You're welcome to come on during the q&a and and talk about your dream with us whoever that is, and we could possibly explore it as a group to give you a little bit more clarity that only if you feel comfortable doing that no pressure. The next one is 15 out of 33 had been listening for lucid dreaming for a while and did not have a lucid dream since our last gathering on May 11. And then the last one is eight out of 33 have been lucid dreaming for a while and DivX did have a lucid dream since our last gathering on May 11.
antastic Thank you, Chelsea. Well, some great results. We're always getting some some super results in this month. That's amazing for for people are telling us Yeah, I had my first lucid dream. So congratulations to whoever you are. And if you feel comfortable letting us know who you are, we would love to celebrate with you. And so that's why we're here. That's what you know, brings to Chelsea and I joy is seeing people continuing to increase their lucid dreams and especially have their first lucid dream. So those are our outstanding. Wonderful. So thank you so much, Bert for participating in the poll. And look forward to giving the poll again. And this next month. Thank you.
Thanks, everyone. Thanks Bodi. So now we're going to transition into q&a. And this is q&a or shares. If you have an offering that's really welcome to and we encourage you to raise your hand and come on live. And if you prefer to just type it in the chat. That's fine as well. We'll go through the chat questions at the end of the time. Great. So Dominica, I see your hand is raised so I'm going to ask you to unmute it. Okay. Hi.
Thanks so much, Katie. I really struggle with visualizing myself back in a dream that say like, with a wild technique, I wake up whether whether I just woke up, or maybe even, you know, later in the day, I'm looking back and a dream. And picturing myself in that dream, and being lucid is hard enough, let alone doing anything with it. It's, it feels like there's a real mental block there. And I've been trying to work with that for a while, and not having any progress and shifting that. So I'm wondering if you have any tips to help kind of, you know, break down whatever barrier seems to be there for me to, to, you know, have this felt sense of achieve and picture myself back in it or at all with a greater consciousness?
Yeah, great question. So, I noticed in the second part of what you're saying, you said, it's both the felt sense. And the visual that you have trouble with? Is it both of those? Or is it more just the visualization,
I can picture the dream scene, and what I was seeing, but in dreams, I'm just thinking about this. Now, there's never any self reflexive quality, like being aware of my own body, really, it's just kind of like looking out there like watching a movie. And so maybe that's part of it. And I mean, pick, you know, picturing so picturing that movie again, and then having any space. I mean, picturing myself in it, and then even having the thought that this is a dream, that sometimes I can get that far, but then my understanding is what it's great to do as a next step. Or, you know, maybe really important to do is then think about what are we going to do now? You know, what are we going to do with that information to kind of start, you know, you know, maybe paving that neural pathway to experiencing ourselves is lucid in the dream. And it's like, I just can't get there. It's hard to explain, partly because I can't do it. Yeah, maybe I just lack a certain visualization ability that some people may have. It sometimes feels kind of tied to like a lack of creativity. Which is ironic, because in waking life, I'm a very creative person.
Yes, and I'm curious, how are you creative in waking life? What are your creative mediums that you like to use in making life, visual art,
painting and drawing, in years past, I was very active as a musician. Those are the two main areas.
Great. So what I'm what I'm thinking is if you can actually apply your creative gifts that you have in waking life, in your recreation of the dream process. So actually imagine that you're painting the dream, or that you're singing the dream, or you're playing music about a dream. Like being creative in with your, it's like being co created with yourself, in order to make that come alive in whatever way is natural for you. So the visualization, thinking, remembering is not actually necessary. It's just the specific outline of this technique. The main point is that you want to experience feel yourself in the dream as you're recreating it, however, that shows up. So I would I would encourage that, how does that sound?
I can try that. Yeah, I'll have to sort of try it out and play with it. You don't know until you play with it.
Yeah, exactly. I often I often use song or mantra, or my voice as a way of connecting with my dream world. So there's really endless ways that we can do this. And it's just about being creative and tapping into your own way of doing that. Some people certainly do have blocks with visualization. And sometimes that can be overcome with practice and sometimes it can't. So I would say play with it. Try those different options out and and see what works for you and let us know
Katie? Yeah,
my pleasure. Thank you. Okay, Galen.
Hi. Yeah, I'm Galen. First time joining. Thanks, everyone for the awesome group so far. Yeah, I'd say my current goal is to really establish like a lucid living kind of viewpoint. And I think when I first started the like, this is a dream practice, like seeing everything as a dream. Like the first couple of days, it was amazing. And like, went really well, and everything, like, felt magical, and had a lot of success with lucid dreaming after that, but I feel like I've kind of like crashed, like, now I'm in the, the, like, the plateau version, where it's like, really hard for me to kind of enter that mindset again, especially when I like wake up in the same house every day, and I make, you know, breakfast in the same kitchen every day. And, you know, like, have the same routine, essentially, like every day. So it's like really hard to kind of evoke that. Maybe that sense of wonder, unlike everyday kind of mundane tasks. And I'm wondering if you have any, if you know, a anyone else has kind of run into this, where they have a hard time seeing the mundane as a dream? Or be like, Are there any other ways of seeing the mundane to make it a little more mysterious, or dreamlike? Or magical or see, like, doesn't have to be magical to be a dream? Right? You know, is there another way of kind of tapping into that lucid living that you don't always have to be feeling like in awe of like your surroundings? So yeah, I think in all trying to like build a sustainable kind of lucid living practice that isn't dependent on seeing beautiful or amazing things on a day to day basis?
I think that's a great question. I've definitely been there before, I think a really good place to start is to just recognize that, you know, there's going to be waves. With this practice, there's going to be times when, like you talked about at the beginning where it was, it felt easier to notice, you know, the magic in the mundane, kind of a thing to be in awe. And to be like, Wow, this is a dream. But really, what I hear you speaking to is kind of like the deeper level of this. So when we start doing this practice, at least, this has been my experience, there's kind of like, and when I'm doing any kind of spiritual practice, there can be this initial opening, that feels really different than before. Like, if we think of meditating, for example, when we start meditating, we notice that we have all of these thoughts. So it's almost like a shift a change, there's, there's something there's something so different that it becomes more like noticeable. But then over time, because we've opened to that we've familiarized ourselves with our thoughts or experience, then it becomes more subtle. And that's kind of what I hear you talking about, it becomes more subtle, it becomes more subtle, where you're seeing the same things, but you're having to kind of create ways in which you can see the ah, experience life as being a dream, you know, in your routine. And there's been ways like Andrew likes to say, shake up the snowglobe. And there's definitely ways that you can do that. I think that doing something that you normally wouldn't do, like getting out of your routine actually might be really helpful in some way. So that could be you know, going on a different way that you maybe walk in the same path, you know, every day, going on a different path. You know, and then also being open while you're on that walk to magic happening. And saying, this is a dream, this is a dream. But the key is to not have an attachment to something happening while you're doing that. Because then we can grasp on to wanting that openness again. And you can take it to another level by doing something like psychedelics. Do you really want to, you know, God's out of your comfort zone a little bit. You can also practice things like sutra dark retreat, which Andrew has been talking about more often and he talks about in He talks about frequently on his preparing to die book clubs on Thursday nights. So if you want to know more about that, he also has a podcast with Scott Berman that just came out. But it's really like, it's a good sign, Galen. It's what I'm trying to share with you. Yeah, it's a good sign. Because once it's just it's a wave. It's a wave of like, and it's a contraction. It's a contraction and an expansion. Right. And so that's what you'll be noticing. And Katie and Bodie, do you have anything else to share? And if anybody else has any ideas, please put it in the chat too. This is a conversation for all of us. We all have wisdom here. Yeah, I
have one more thing to share on that level. One thing you can do just even in your ordinary mundane world, is play with changing your sensory experience of that. So one example of this is blinking more slowly to make everything look more disjointed as dreams often are. And another thing is taking out the sense of hearing. So putting on noise cancelling headphones or covering your ears, so that you're not hearing the sounds in your environment. Those two sensory pattern, interrupts or changes can help make any part of our world even the mundane, feel more dreamlike. And we'll probably go into more detail about those in a future session. But just to plant a seed there with those.
Can we do it all together right now? Maybe?
should of course.
Okay, so what I'm gonna invite you guys to do is so you can cover your ears, or what you can do is you can take your thumbs, and you can put them in your ears. And then you kind of like, go backwards, like this. And you'll notice that it becomes really quiet, right? You probably can't hear me that well. Okay, so what you're gonna do now and Galen will will wait for you, I know you're having tea, some of us have headphones. And so what you'll want to do is, you can't really hear so you'll want to just open up your eyes and close them really slowly. So open up your eyes and close them really slowly. So we'll start with that with your, with your fingers in your ears or your ears plugged, and just look around.
Notice this has a different feeling to it right than you did when you were just sitting and looking at the screen. And we don't have to do this together. But if you want to take it to next level, you can actually I'm going to look pretty wild here in a minute. You can, you can do all of that. So stick your fingers in your ears. Open your eyes slowly. And then also just like jerk your head and open your eyes when you jerk your head. And in dreams, right, they can feel really like disconnected. And so also be careful with your body while you're doing this. Ask yourself if this is the right thing for you to do. So you don't get dizzy, or whatnot. But that can be another way. So thanks for bringing that up. Katie. Yeah, Katie is doing it right now.
Thanks, Charles.
Stephanie.
I just had a thought in relation to what Galen was asking about kind of the opposite end of the spectrum of what people are suggesting in a way you know how to recapture or capture like, a different perspective or a different view from what they have in the moment or how to shake up the the shake up the snowglobe thing, but I just had a thought on the other end of the spectrum. Andrew sometimes talks about you know, waking up, it's not like Hollywood or it's not like Hollywood or Disneyland. It's more like Kansas, or, you know, like, mundane, in essence is what he's saying. And so it just made me think that It's recognizing the mundane is also, you know, part of it. And then sometimes it's just accepting that in those moments, not always. It's like that expectation that it's supposed to be other than what it is, can be a block in itself. So it's just accepting in the moment of it. You know, this doesn't feel so dreamlike or wonderful or whatever anymore. And it's like, well, I guess I would, that's part of the dream, too. So it was just a thought on that end of the spectrum. I thought I'd throw it out there. That's all. Thanks.
And beautiful offerings. Stephanie. Thank you.
Greetings, everyone, thank you all so much for coming and for the mutual support. The last time I had a lucid dream, I was the one who wrote in that talking infant. And just wondering about dream signs. I mean, this was really it was me as an infant, I was holding this child. And the first the child was fussy, and I was chanting home to the child, the child settled down. And then the next moment, I mean, the very next moment, that child was three years old and speaking in adult loosened sentences, and that's what it took to sort of wake me up. And I've had glaring dream signs since then, I also talked about giant dogs. How as anyone just chose it. I mean, we all get lots of dreams signs when you wake up and you think, well, I should have awakened when I saw that dream sign. Has anyone just settled on one dream signs that okay, I get lots of them. But let's just focus on this one. And try to incubate that every night and been successful with that about that. Thanks, you
ready to say anything? You respond to that at all?
Yeah, thanks. Thanks, Tim. Yeah. Very, very inspirational. And, and totally. Yeah, I've been working with the bathroom thing like. And, you know, so definitely, if I see anything unusual in a public restroom, I'm, I'm definitely like, okay, you know, I better just Is this a dream? And I think recently, I did get a result. Where, where I made the comment in the dream. Oh, this bathroom is really weird. I must be mean. What? What, and then when I woke up, I was like, Yeah, you're you were white into take it a step further and do the, the state check to say, oh, yeah, I am dreaming. So. So yeah, I've gotten that one thing. And I'd have been focusing on just that one beam sign. Just because it shows up more often than any other dream sign is I have to go the bathroom. And the bathroom is really, like not private. So I am trying to get that to fire off more often and be able to go into a really lucid dream. So Thanks, Tim.
Yeah, and if anyone else has experiences about what Tim requested, like, are you working with one specific dream sign? Or have you and have you had success with that, please put it in the chat. Or you can you can even raise your hand and share about it if you'd like to as well. So Jillian
Hi. I have questions for you but for all of you but so I was working a lot for years like crazy hours and now I have open time so I'm not as there was really a concern as a light sleeper of going lucid and not and then not being able to sleep because I got so little sleep. So that is over. And now what is happening and I thought you guys would like this. Me being a novice at this is I'm resisting. Oh, yeah. I'm resisting the lucid part. and my dreams want to go lucid because I have things happening where there science people with lucid dust and it can make any shape or anything. And then I'll just kind of leave the room in the dream. I am a big vivid dreamer and I get a lot of dream teachings from llamas sometimes are doing mantra and like, I think I'm afraid. Yeah. I like the surprise. I like not controlling anything. And yet, for all of those lovely Dharma dreams, there's so much karmic clogged dreams. Like there's so many. So that kind of uncontrolled rebirth or uncontrolled, you know, my uncontrolled dreaming is a bunch of karmic clog. And to boaties point literally, my dream sign is like cleaning other people's toilets in some abandoned house, like that's gone on for like, decades. So like, so I'll stop kind of rambling here, but it's sort of there's some sort of belief and it's, it's like a deep belief that if I were to go lucid, my annoying, everyday mind would like prevent delightful surprises. Do you see what I mean? Or like, I'm, like, if it's, and I'll stop, let me just, it's sort of like if I can go wander in Taurus, northern forest receiving teaching, you know, like, great, but like, if I'm making it up, or do you see it? So I'll stop there. I want that surprise. That's not my everyday mind. Yes, that's the question. Yeah.
Thank you. Yeah, yeah, I very much understand what you're saying. And what does happen. In one word, lucid dreaming typically, is that the MindScape continues to arise, even as we become an active participant in it. So it's not so much that we're controlling the dream, as we are co creating with the dream rather than being taken by it or subject to it. So those delightful surprises still happen, even in a lucid dream. Now, the deeper we get along on the lucidity path, there is more creative authority that we have even in the details and the dreamscape. So it can go to that place. But typically, that's not what happens in most lucid dreams, especially when we're first having lucid dreams, or even in the first many, many years of having lucid dreams. And so I think that's part of what you're speaking to. And then another part of what you're speaking to is what I like to call, like ego tricks. So our ego can be really Trixie and talk us into reasons why we don't want to become lucid. So we have to look out for those tricks. Like we all have different ways of those manifesting in our own experience. And we have to notice is this. Is this an ego trick? Is this really going to be doing what my ego is saying? It's going to be doing or not?
Yeah, thank you. Yeah. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, cuz it's very tricky. Because, you know, Andrew was doing the puroland podcast, you know, the jerky Turkey soft power, other power. Like, I like that, like llamas can poke through. And I know what it's be dreaming them. It's very rare that it's done, right. I'm just gonna, but I like the other power poking through in the dream. Yeah, I don't trust you know, I'm at my everyday mind is sort of, you know, cranky and worried about ice cream. And you know, like, but yeah, I'll think I'm gonna let that cook. Thank you.
Yeah, yeah. And you know, with intentionality that other power can poke through even more more easily. You could reframe your belief to that. Yeah. Because then you can say I want to become lucid in the dream. And then when you're lucid in the dream, you can then call forth, the other powers, the enlightened beings, whoever it is that you're wanting to interact with, actually in the dream itself.
Okay. I think I have it backwards. So thank you. I'm gonna just go sit with that for a month. I think I have it like, yeah, thank you. Yeah,
absolutely. Thank you so much. And thank you for being here. Welcome to the group. Thank
you. Yeah.
Yeah, okay, Marian.
So, my break. You're talking about
a little hard to hear you Marian.
Better now.
Yeah, that's better.
I had a breakthrough around my own limiting beliefs. I was hoping I had sort of a dream go Oh, to see more, or to someone in my family who had died. And my left brain was telling me this is all crazy. Why are you even doing this? Meanwhile, my right brain is saying just open up to what I think happened. What happened was, I saw this person in the duel. And then I flipped out, like, Okay, this may be happening. And I went back and wrote something that and and said about if you get into a public place and doing call out to the dean for help, or in my case, again, because I'm always pushing the envelope. He had also said, asked where during God, which I thought was totally impossible. And I said, I need a dream guide here because the person in back in my dream and I wanted courage, believe he talked to them, and I asked you to drill into it. And what appeared, and it's like my rock star moment of lucid dreaming in the last few years, it was this unknown, kind of, I hate to say it, but it kinda looks like Chelsea, before I even knew what Chelsea looked like. And it was this person who was just this infinite. And who just said going. And I talked to my grandmother, who was amazing. And I'm sorry, gowns gone, because I also had lunch you may have, sorry, you know, not as vivid during the gym moments, where, you know, nothing like that happen. But I really feel like the stream guide is sort of new thing and helps me to know a little bit of courage in that it's all okay. And it is anything necessarily dramatic, but it's definitely the and, you know, it's take a step. And the other thing that Chelsea also helped me with was set a goal away in a dream. Just do something small, like transform, you know, a pitch into a draft or you know, a row and just give yourself a small minded opportunity. We're like 87 hopefully and then build it up to your dreams
beautiful, thank you Marian.
Beautiful offering. Okay, so let's go to the chat questions. I saw that there was a few that arose in there. I think this first one is good for you, Bodhi.
The one on the Galantamine?
Yeah.
Yeah. So
I'll just, I'll read it. So that's on the recording, or the people listening later. So Beatrice says, Do you recommend Galantamine or any other substance to help those of us with stubbornly resistant minds?
All right, so we're, we're waiting to, we're going to be opening up another section that we're going to work on, in, you know, inducing lucid dreams, we're going to be possibly looking at plant substances or plant allies, which anthemion would be under. So these substances can be allies. For people some more than others and and some, you know, so everybody's different. So we're, we're going to be talking with, we want the blessing of Andrew, of course, because under the umbrella of nightclub, and we, we want to be appropriate. So we might, we might be inviting you to help us research some of these things and get feedback. But to do that, we might want to know that you know that many you guys might have to fill out a release form or something I was like, if you're gonna try this, you know, it's on your, you know, you're on your own. But we're working on that. So hopefully in the next six weeks, we'll have that figured out, we'll get hopefully a blessing from Andrew and the night club team, that we can move forward with this. And rather than just, you know, me tell you my experiences with different plants distances. Maybe there's several of you that would also like to join in and help with the research and share with the whole group our experiences. And but we want to do that in a safe way. So we're going to, we're going to hold off and make sure we do it right. And so we'll be getting to you on that.
Thanks, buddy. That's great. All right. And I'm seeing Patrick has a question for each of you. Three. What is your most effective incubation material or subject matter to influence a dream? Like thinking of the ocean or an animal? Okay, so I guess you're asking this to each each of us Bodi Chelsea and myself. What is our most effective incubation material or subject matter to influence a dream? Like thinking of the ocean or an animal? Cool. Chelsea, do you want to you want to respond to this? First, he's asking you to all three of us. So
my us most useful incubation technique isn't actually an image it's a sound. So it's mantra is my habit. There's one I've had the most success with, I usually use our mani padme hum, or all my new Tara, for those. And when it comes to an image, I think Katie mentioned that I have these two. I have these two big lines that show up in my dream. So I have before Oh, actually, you know what? I just put this together right now Patrick. So the the place that I go to write the place that I talked about that's like Tahoe that summer and winter. So you can incubate actually going to places that you create your dreams. So sometimes the way in which I will do that and with dominicus question this is kind of relates to in a way is before I go to sleep, I'll think that I want to go to that place and then I actually imagine myself being in that place before I go to sleep. So I imagine what I'm going to do there imagine what it looks like I imagine what it feels like I try to see it in my mind. And then as I'm going to sleep I kind of let that intention go and then hopefully end up there either snowboarding or swimming with sea creatures in Lake Tahoe
Thanks Charles. What about you Bodhi?
Kinda all over the board. Definitely, like a a sound. Sometimes they can have an effect on my emotion. So sometimes it's like a voice that might be loud or something like that. And not that I you know, create that in my waking state, but I kind of look for it or I'm aware of it. It kind of like wakes me up. Like, oh, wait, wow. What's going on? So it definitely brings me into more lucidity. If I hear like a loud voice or something? Could be music. But yeah, that's, that's about all I got.
Yeah, I know you're kind of all over the board with that one. Yeah, I'm great. And yeah, I also there's there's several for me, but the one that maybe is the strongest and is coming to mind right now is is the sky. So I do a lot of sky gazing practice. I've done that naturally, since I was a little girl. I think so many of us do that as children, just lay down on the ground and look up at the sky and watch the clouds. But it's transitioned into more of a meditation practice for me. And often when I am becoming lucid in a dream, it's because I'm looking up at the sky and starting to fly. So that I would say it's the element of space. It's that openness. That is definitely one of the most reliable incubation experiences for me. Yeah. Great.
I know we're getting close to 1230. Yeah.
Yeah, I think that's, that's probably good. I think that's all the questions that were in the chat for us. And, yeah, I just want to, once again, request from all of you guys feedback. So we're always open and welcome to feedback, we'll put our email addresses in the chat. And if you could reach out to any one of us, or you can also reach out through our website, we'll put that in the chat as well. And just give us any feedback, positive negative, whatever you think of we really want to make this group supportive to each of us. So we're always open to receiving that and integrating it wherever possible. And next month, we are going to go into a new format with the lucidity induction group. So then meeting monthly for 90 minutes on the second Saturday. And next month, we're going to switch to twice monthly on the second and fourth Saturdays at the same time. 11am Mountain Time. And it's going to be just an hour for each group. And we're going to be focusing more in a similar to what we've been doing but have more a bit more focus on the practices and have more time for community interaction as well, especially in the second group of each month. So you will get an email that will share with you the format of that before each one. But we just wanted to give you a heads up about that. And we hope to see you all there. We're continuing to offer this as a gift offering so invite your friends. And if you haven't signed up for nightclub, you can sign up for a free account at the link that Chelsea just put in the chat. So thank you all and now Bodi is going to offer a blessing for us.
So thank you everyone. And in closing, we call upon the God, Gods goddesses, the those Dreamweavers within us to to bless us to bless all of you this tonight and every night till we see you again, that you may have peaceful dreams that you may have vivid, lucid dreams, and that you may have very restful and peaceful sleep. So blessings still.
And to finish up, I'm just going to dedicate will dedicate the merit on this practice. So we dedicate the merit of this practice to all sentient beings. May it bring them benefit and solace. May it guide them to the best possible rebirth. May we each recognize our true nature as loving awareness. Thank you all for being here. And then we take this merit and we spread it out into the world. All right. Thank you everybody for being here.
