⚠️ 5 BIG Mistakes to Avoid in Your Grow, with Rhizo Rich

10:30AM Jan 29, 2025

Speakers:

Jordan River

Rhizo Rich

Keywords:

home breeding workshop

organic gardening

photon tech lighting

plant stress

fungal pathogens

nutrient deficiencies

plant handling

strain selection

seed hunts

pollination process

truffle cake

Oreos crosses

seed CO

grow classes

plant environment

Hello cannabis cultivators worldwide. Jordan River here with more growcast Broadcasting straight from the rhinos den today, we have ryzo rich on the line, the man himself. You know him from grow cast, seed co He's a wonderful organic gardener. He's been on the show a whole bunch. He's a good friend of mine, and we're doing the home breeding workshop that is March 4 in Rockford, Illinois, grow cast, podcast.com/classes, if you want to come see me and rich, this is an awesome class where we are going to arm you with the knowledge that you need to start breeding your own strains and selecting to create the perfect cultivar for yourself. Plus every attendee gets a breeding kit to take home free. We've got everything you need to get started, and we're very excited to see you. March 4 in Rockford, Illinois, at next level Garden Supply. Shout out to next level. So check that out at growcast podcast.com/classes, along with all our offerings. And today, we will talk to the rhino about his crosses, about mistakes to avoid in your grow and so much more before we get into it, though. Shout out to photon tech lighting, everybody, high quality, efficient, powerful, magnetic, led style, grow lights, my favorite. Grow lights on the market. Growcast, podcast.com/photon, brings you right there. Code, grow cast saves you 10% on your photon. Tech lighting, you can grab yourself an x4 65 watt, perfect for a four by four, you can grab their 600 watt for a five by five, their 1000 watt CO two, and now you can pre order their 1000 watt Pro LED. This is the biggest, baddest light that photon Tech has to offer. You're not going to want to run this thing unless you supplement your CO two levels or dial it down. It's that powerful, extremely high PPF output, 2925 you moles per second, and an incredible efficiency of 2.9 ummols per joule. You can't beat the photon tech lights. They're water resistant, they're durable. They're magnetic bars, so they're easy to take apart and move. If one breaks, you don't have to send back the whole light. You just pop off that bar and you go ahead and get it replaced, but it's not going to break, because the components are incredible and they're quality, and on the rare chance that it does, they've got an incredible warranty. Photon tech is what I grow with. My 600 watt is ripping right now. That thing is absolutely killer. It puts out 1620 you moles per second. And my plants absolutely love it, folks. They're looking beautiful. Growcast, podcast.com/photon, use code. Grow cast, grab yourself the sexiest light in red that you can ever find. All right, let's get into it with Riser rich. Thank you for listening and enjoy the show. Hello, podcast listeners, you are now listening to grow cast. I'm your host, Jordan River, and I want to thank you for tuning in again today for yet another episode before we get started. I urge you to share this show. Take this episode, hit that little Share Link, share the URL, send it to a grower friend. It's really a great way to help out. I do really mean it when I say you're helping me out. You're helping out the show. When you share these episodes with a fellow grower. Today's episode is absolutely awesome, as always, before we get into it, you can see everything we're doing at grow cast. Podcast.com/action, that's where you'll find the membership and the seeds and the classes. Got a breeder class coming up March 4 in Rockford. Very, very excited for everything going on. So check it out, everybody. Grow cast podcast.com/action, it's where all the action is, speaking of breeder classes and grow cast seed CO we have none other than the man himself on the line, the man the myth the rhino rise. Oh, Rich is here. What's up? Rich, how are you doing? Good, man, how you doing? I'm doing good, brother, I'm doing good. I'm back in town. I'm in my garden. I got this next run going, and yeah, man, it's good. I'm in veg with most of my plants. I got one plant and flower, and I'm ready to talk some growing. Today's episode is kind of classic. It's called the top five big mistakes you want to avoid in your garden. And I know I've been making them, so I'm here to tell the listeners what's up. But before we get into all of that, how are you rich? How's it going in your garden? And what are you doing right now, when it comes to your grow, oh, man,

there's always stuff going on in my garden. Right now, I'm extra busy though. I'm harvesting seeded plants. I got a little over, little over 50 new seedlings that I popped bunch of new stuff. I'm looking through and hunting through a bunch of our stuff, seed posts up, and then some stuff from other breeders too, of course, but yeah, right now, mainly harvesting plants and doing a lot of up potting and, oh, transplanting seeds and stuff like that. So

fun times, man. So you're harvesting these seeded plants the Oreos feminization drop about to go down. I mean, by the time people hear this, it might be live grow cast, podcast.com, forward slash, seed CO, as you hear this on Monday, they might be up there. Keep a close eye, though, the members, of course getting first dibs, and knowing about this, the Oreos FEM line, absolutely excited for this man. What can we expect off of these Oreos crosses and and this very. Special Oreos cut that Farmer John gifted us. It's not like a lot of the other Oreos I've tried. Yeah,

Farmer John has the max yields, the original Max yields cut. Oh, that's another one. I think it's the 1.0 or something like that. There's two different versions, I believe. But he has, I really love the one. He has the original one. And to me, it has a bunch of Terps. I know people say that Oreos doesn't. I think you're always going to find something that has more Terps than the last plant regardless, right? I know, since it's a hype one, people tend to hate on certain things. But for me, and I know you've had it too before, that Oreos is it's got massive bag appeal. The frost, to me, it has plenty of Terps, oh yeah, killer high behind it.

That's what I like as the high. It fucks me up, good. I've got a lot. I've got a high tolerance, large tolerance when it comes to flour, especially, yeah, that Oreos gets me stoned, yeah?

And it leaves a good smell in the house after you smoke it all around. For me, I just love it. And even if it just had the frost and the high behind it, but not a lot of flavor, I'd probably still work with it and breed with it, because to me, that would be a great blank kind of Canvas backdrop to cross into the, you know, the mother. Strange. Good call, good call. So either way, I see it as a win, win. Absolutely,

dude, and it's interesting because you're right, some other Oreos I've had have been kind of muted, but farmer John's Oreos is loud. It's loud as fuck. I guess it's the max fields cup that does make sense. But shout out, yeah, appreciate Farmer John, by the way, Farmer John and rise O Rich, going to be at the community cup Oklahoma. Yeah, that's right, May 7. So stay tuned for that. Everybody got some big stuff coming up. Riser rich. You ready for that? Ready for

the community? Always, always. Man, hell yeah, yeah,

that's gonna be fun, man. So stay tuned for more info, guys, but Mark your calendar. Sunday May 7 is the community cup. Oklahoma City farmers market. Shout out sure weed forest for helping me do this event. They're fucking angels over there. And it's gonna be fun. It's gonna be fun, you guys. But, you know, we get into genetics into in today's episode, it's a big part of a part of growing. You know, we talk about it all the time. Genetics kind of determining the ceiling of your grow. And then from that point, what we mean by the ceiling is, you know, what your plants are capable of, like, is it going to be able to push out 20 plus percent? THC, if that's something that's important to you, is it capable of producing anthocyanins or not and turning purple or not? That's what the genetics determine. And then it's up to you not to fuck it up, right? You got totally you got to keep it healthy. You got to keep the plant optimal, and then just kind of, don't fuck it up till the end of the run, and that's how you get really good flour, like the stuff rhizo Rich produces. Is that a fair statement rich? It's about getting good genetics and then keeping it optimal and just really not screwing things up for it.

I agree, and I mean just the shorter way of saying it, but you nailed it is just, you're trying to get that plant to reach its full genetic potential totally by the end of the run. You know, you want it to max out on the numbers. So far as you know, as much terpenes as possible, as the plant can possibly make, as much cannabinoids, you know, all the good stuff that you're after. So you really want to just to reach that full genetic potential as your main goal. So that's what you're after the entire run. At least I am,

and I think a lot of people shoot themselves in the foot. I think a lot of what goofs up people's runs can be avoided. So that's what this is all about. We're going to go over five big mistakes, and these are going to be things that you're going to be able to watch out for. Your in your grow, maybe you commit them to one degree or another. And if you listen to this episode and employ these strategies, I know you're going to have a happier, healthier grow. So let's jump right into it. Rich. Sound good? Absolutely, man. So this is one we've talked about a little bit before, which is why I put it up front, but I did want to cover it because I'm kind of in this world right now. The first big mistake to avoid is when you see that your plants are stressing or less than optimal, jumping to adding more nutrients to the medium. I think at the first sign of trouble, a lot of people say, Oh, it looks like my plants not praying. It looks like the new growth is a little yellow. What do I need to add into this medium to fix this? That's not my first thought. You tell me rich, what are you thinking of when you see a plant stressing? What are you checking out before you go and run for the for the Epsom salts or the calcium? Yeah,

that's a really good question. Okay, so I have a pretty good example, actually, like, right now it's colder out, as I talked about before. I'm I'm in an out building with most of my grows. There is one smaller tent that I have some veg, veg plants in, and I did notice a few were getting kind of lighter in color, and just seemed to be struggling and kind of like what you're saying. And it'd be very tempting to just say, oh, let's throw some, you know, more nutrients in it, or some nitrogen or something. But. But I really just sat there and looked at everything for a minute, and the environment, everything that was going on, and kind of just thought, you know, maybe it's just too cold in this tent, and got some heat, a little bit more heat in there, and raise the temperature to where I thought it would be more acceptable. And since then, you know, the plant has corrected itself, boom. But it is important to check all the parameters first before you immediately go to, you know, throwing something on it, because it is the easiest and most tempting thing to do. Like you're saying,

You're right, though, man, something like cold affecting the way the plant feeds, you can start. You can start, especially if you're in a soil, and you need to keep that balance right in your soil, you can start really fucking things up by throwing in minerals and throwing off balances, when, in reality, your plant just needs some more warmth. The way that transpiration works, where the plant is taking up moisture, the solution full of minerals from the medium, and bringing it up through the xylem and down through the phloem and the pump that your plant acts as that's all hindered by cold. The whole process slows down by cold. And on the other side of the coin, it speeds up by heat, right? You ever run that hot, hot room and you're like, holy shit, they're so hungry,

right? Oh, yeah, growing like crazy, exactly.

So things like photon saturation, heat, CO two. These are the things that determine how much your plant is feeding and what the threshold is as well. So that's a really good point. Is checking the environment. First thing, too cold, too hot, too dry, too wet. These are all things that you should consider before hammering again with the Epsom salt. Oh, yeah. Another big one, Rich is watering, right? This is the specific example that I wanted to point out. We have our plant problems channel and our member discord, where we're solving members problems every single day, and someone will post a plant just showing the top of the plant. Doesn't show that the pot is sitting in, or what type of pot it's sitting in, or anything. It'll just show the plant itself, and I'll see that the new growth is a little bit droopy and it's yellowing from the new growth from the center out, looks like a sulfur deficiency. Might even be a sulfur deficiency, but this is something that I've noticed in over watered plants. I don't know if it's just that the stress resembles that same expression, or if too much water and too little oxygen, to be more specific, does hinder sulfur uptake. I'll have to speak to nick or Mary Beth about this. Yeah, right. But have you ever seen that where it's like, boy, this plant looks like it needs Epsom salts. And then you scroll to the next picture and you see that it's sitting in a super saturated medium, and all the other leaves are kind of hanging down low. It's like, oh, this plants just over watered. That's the only thing wrong, right?

No, I've definitely seen that before. Probably been guilty of it before, for

sure. Man, for sure. So I think a lot of these other stressors can resemble a nutrient deficiency. So before you go and hammer it with the with the magnesium sulfate, the Epsom salts, for instance, check out all of these other stressors. You know, the other the other one that that can surprise me is pests. You ever notice a plant has pests before you see the pest damage rich because it looks sad. Yes,

they exactly. That's a good way to put it. They look sad. They just don't look like they're doing normal. And

you're like, what's wrong with this morning, right? Next thing you know, you see that they have thrips, you know? Oh, absolutely.

And everything's getting sucked out of them, all the life force, exactly

100% have you been dealing with any pests recently in your garden? Are you? Have you been pest

free? I have been very lucky and have been pest free. But you know where I'm at, it's, it's pretty cold, so I'm very lucky in that aspect, that the pests don't seem to really come around much, unless it's, you know, summertime or anything, and then then sometimes spider mites might rear their head. Um, I'd say the main thing that I probably deal with is fungus gnats and and even those aren't, aren't bad, especially this time of year, SLF or something usually helps with that, or some BTi, 100%

so that's, that's what's important is, you know, if your plant is just hurting because you haven't scoped and there's pests, but you're like, oh, perk this thing up with some minerals. You're definitely just shooting yourself in the foot at that point, a little bit of a left turn. But we are talking about big mistakes to avoid in your grow. Man, keeping up on your IPM is so important. I think a big mistake to avoid is slacking on that. What's your IPM protocol like right now, other than your frozen tundra barrier, what are you doing in your garden for IPM?

The frozen tundra, Tundra barrier? So I still run my the IPM program, if that's what you want to call it, that I talked about in the past, where I'll spray and alternate between a few different products and veg, and then once I'm in flower, I just kind of throw a Hail Mary, and I don't do

shit. You just just pray, and you still haven't been bit.

Yeah, and. Yeah, I'll use nematodes and stuff. You know, I do water those in but so far as, like, spraying anything, I don't do anything once I'm in in flower, and then, like I said, In veg, I'll alternate between a couple products, whether that's something like a mercenary and an all perpl, or like the mammoth can trawl, or Canada trawl. I don't know what they're calling it these days,

right? Yeah, the oil spray, the oil based spray, that stuff seems to work pretty good. You're just not supposed to spray it too much because of the stomata being clogged by the oil, I guess.

Yes, yeah, I don't spray that too much. That is correct. It can definitely. You can tell it just kind of it leaves like a shine on the plants. And not, I don't want to say it's a bad shine, but it's like a overly done shine, you know, yeah, totally. Sometimes you spray stuff and it has a nice shine to it. It's almost like an overly,

like a wax, like a waxed car, yeah? Like a waxy, like a waxy,

shiny shine. Oh, yeah. I do also I'll do like a sulfur dip on my clones and stuff too. Other than that, though, I'm not doing, really, not doing a whole lot. Well,

I don't know, though, man, you're, you're alternating two different spray products. You're probably spraying, what, twice a week, maybe once a week, minimum, preventatively, yeah,

usually about once a week. Well, that's, that's, I'd say you're a badge

to say you're about on it, if, listener, if you're doing rise, or Richard is doing, I think you're about on it maybe twice a week would be good. Just don't be like me, oh yeah, and leave town and then forget when you come back and then leave town again. And now it's been like weeks and you haven't sprayed, you know what I mean? That's what you want to avoid, yeah, or not

getting anything for a year, years, and thinking that it's cool to just be good. Yeah, totally stop doing everything, which I've done before, and then you will eventually get something and be forced to go back to doing what you need to do. So just keep up with your IPM.

You just made a really good point. I've been there. What is it about that attitude where after a while of not having pests, you start to slack on your IPM, and you just think, I'll be good

human nature, what anybody says, I don't care what anybody says, you know, I mean, I don't know we can be real, you know, like, we've all been there, we've all done that shit. That's bizarre. So

because it's like, it's, you're right, it's so human brain, which is like, well, the pests haven't been coming. It's like, Yeah, cuz you've been spraying,

yeah, and you're indoors, you know? So you're kind of like, well, maybe they're just not coming because I'm inside and they don't, you know, doors, you know. And you just get over confident, I think is what happens you run out of the bottle, right? Yep, you run out. You're like, fuck it. I'm not going to buy another one. You know.

That's so true. That's so true. So there you go, a little double whammy to start, of course, stay on your IPM. But that ties into the first point here, which is, when you see a problem with your plants or your grow, scope out everything else before you go and add anything to the medium or even spray anything. Check your environment. Scope for pests. Make sure you're not over watering. Grab a moisture meter for God's sake. I thought I was a good water having grown for years and years, grabbed a blue mat moisture meter, the $80 one. I mean, that $80 is nicer ones. Yeah, it's gonna open your eyes to to exactly how you're watering. And I guarantee there's you're gonna change your your strategy just a little bit. So I do think that's worth a buy. So, yeah, that's that's our first tip is, watch out and don't just go and fire in minerals every time your plant is said, have a little bit more of a holistic approach. This goes hand in hand with that. For the next big mistake to avoid, I want to talk about stressing out your plant. You know, rich, there's a lot of things we do to our plants that are considered stressors, topping your plant, super cropping your plant, moving your plant from one environment to another, switching feeds, if you have to switch the way you're feeding your plant, can even kind of give it a little stunt. These are all things that you know will do sometimes as growers, but they can slow your plant down. My big tip, something that I just experienced, is, don't stack these stressors, right? So rich. I just got my plants back from somebody who is holding them for me. So I get my plants back from a different environment. I have to drive them in my car, which I'm sure they hated. You know, in the middle of the night, they're like their light schedules were all fucked up. I put them in the new tent, I put them on my feed, so now they're getting fed something different. And then I made the mistake of topping them, and then shortly after, there they were big anyways, so I flipped them. So all of these things are stressors, right? Taking it out of the environment, changing the feed, driving it, putting it on the new program, topping it, flip I put it all together, and, man, this plant was pissed. It wasn't just like I topped it. It was really bad. It was droopy. It was angry. I had stacked the stressors, right? And it had really pissed off the plant. Have you ever observed that? Or do you have any advice when it comes to that? Yeah,

no, I think your your tip on that is fantastic. Try not to stack too many stressors, especially when you're doing training and stuff, you know. And then, like you said, immediately, flipping to doing that and stacking too many stressors is probably a really bad idea. I always have the thought of going into flower as strong as possible. Totally. I have no problem flipping the flower and transplanting close to it, as long as you can transplant not get, you know, it's not a plant that gets stressed out from it. You can do it without causing too much stress. But even then, I'll wait, usually, you know, two or three days and let it come out of its little pissed off mood if it is in it before I flip. I almost, you know, never do it the exact same day.

Good. Call the transplant to the transplant shock, of course. Yeah.

Just try to go into flower as strong as possible. So I don't know that would be my biggest tip if you are going to be doing a bunch of stressors, which most growers are, you know, is don't stack a bunch of them. And if you do, definitely, don't do it close to, close to flipping like you're talking about,

really good point, and consider the up pot as part of that transition. When your plants are just pissed off, like when you know you've your your feed regimen is fine, your environment is fine, but you just topped them really hard and defoliated and they're a little sad. Do you use any specific products to perk them up again? Or do you just usually wait for them to re acclimate?

Yeah, so I usually wait, because sometimes it is tempting to be like, oh, I want to give them something like we were talking about before, just to make them happier. Again, if I happen to be watering, then I will give some silica nice just because that seems to strengthen them and make them perk up, as it is. So I like to, you know, give a little bit of that if I'm happen to be watering, you know, when I'm doing that. But, uh, other than that, I don't really do a whole lot. It's mainly just waiting. I think that's the important thing is not to get too worked up about them being being in a bad mood, about you doing your training, and just give them a couple days and a day to recuperate. Be Be patient. You know. Don't get too, too upset about it 100%

and I think the you just made a really good point. I let my plants re acclimate at first, I was kind of giving them too much foliar love. I think that mineral application is not something you really need to even be considered about, except for what you said, silica seems to really help with that type of stress, and silica is often underfed anyways. So I would totally agree with that a couple of products that I would consider are more of the microbial based products and the vitamin based products. So, like, it seems like, when my plants are pissed, spraying them with like a compost tea will usually make them a little bit happier. I think that's, that's like, a good option, or a, you know, the product that I used to apply more, I should get myself another bag of it is that regenter product. You remember that

stuff? Oh, yeah, I remember you telling about it, dude. That stuff was

good because it didn't have high mineral content, but it had all the other shit. It had, like, it had a bunch of B vitamins and, like, aloe and hormones. That was a good we're not affiliated or anything, but I remember that was a good product for when your plant was just kind of pissed off,

something to give it a little boost. Yeah, totally. So

that's another one that that I used to keep around. And if a plant is mad, hit it with some red and Terra, they still in business. I look those guys up. The regenter, it was a good mix. But yeah, you know, I think people often get a little too aggressive, like I did, and stack a lot of these events, and then your plants, man, you're like, What do I do? I think microbes can help, but just time, just time and let the acclimate in a proper environment. Yeah. I think that's the key,

absolutely. Just like with people, you know, you might need a little time after some stress to come out of it.

Yeah, it's true. It's exactly right. So big tip number two, don't stack your stressors. We're all going to have stressful events in our garden. Don't put them on top of each other. Get some space in between there, and maybe give them a little bit of a microbial treat to keep them happy throughout the throughout the event. Now the next big mistake I want to move on to, I don't know how much you've dealt with this particular problem, or pest or pathogen rich, but again, in that plant problems channel, I see a lot of mistaking fungal pathogens for deficiencies. Very interesting. So, so you know, there's a wide variety of pathogenic fungi, um, my seats, you know, all these, all these new categories. Mary Beth has enlightened us on all the taxonomy. But basically, what you're seeing is a harmful fungal life infiltrate your plant. There's common ones, like septoria, which, have, you know, this dark modeled spotting with a yellow halo around the dots. That's like a easier, weaker fungal pathogen that sometimes gets in people's gardens. But what I see, you know, there's, there's 1000s of other ones. What I see is, you had that one. Yeah, right, the one that I had Mary Beth thought was some species of water mold. And those ones that I see look very special. Specific on a plant. So I'm going to do my best to describe this to the listener. This is how Mary Beth taught me to identify a fungal pathogen and how to differentiate it from a deficiency. So when you're looking at a fan leaf and you see that there's some fucked up burning or some spotting, the first thing you want to do is see if it's like a it's kind of, I believe it's called necrosis. See if it's like a brown to black dying spot, as opposed to like a burning or yellowing, which occurs on the edges for a potassium deficiency, for instance, if you have the like modeled dying spots, the next thing you're going to do is take that fan leaf and look at where the spotting is placed. If the spotting skips the veins in the leaves, sometimes you'll see it literally skips every single vein. And there's a Spot, Spot, Spot, Spot, Spot, but it doesn't overlap with any of the veins. That's a deficiency, right? Whereas, if these brown and dying spots are growing out of the veins and appearing overlapping on top of the veins that indicates a fungal pathogen. And when I was first taught that man totally, I know, right, it totally changed the way that I looked at this and and fungal pathogens are very, very common, not just in soil media. I don't know what the deal is, I guess. I guess these pathogens are all around us every time. It's kind of scary, but, but we see it a

lot makes sense, especially when you over water, you can get that, like, that terrible smell. I know you know what I'm talking

Yes, absolutely, that's exactly what we're talking about, right? Because a lot of these pathogens that we don't want occur in anaerobic conditions, anaerobic meaning no oxygen, right? So you're over watering, like, Rich says, really good point. Maybe you're adding in a fuck ton of bacteria. You're adding in, like, you know, bacterial products with nothing to consume that bacteria. So now you've got low oxygen conditions and a whole dead mass of dead bacteria just sitting in your soil that could cause problems. And it's something that you're gonna you're gonna need to to address. Rich, have you, not really, I mean, I've seen you remedy things in your garden from time to time. Have you ever gotten a bad soil pathogen? I don't think I've seen that out of your

garden. You know, if I have, I haven't really been aware of it. I haven't really noticed anything, like, like we were talking about when you caught something, it was very, uh prevalent, and it was destroying your garden. It was aggressive, dude. Yeah, it was aggressive. You know, I haven't seen anything like that, but my God, man, it's very interesting what you say about identifying and it makes me want to start looking at things differently as well. Yeah, dude, it's, it's definitely looking at the leaves. I want to see one. See that skipping, that you're talking about. It's crazy, yep. And

when it's occurring on the veins, that's the fungus coming up through the water and attacking those veins, it's a dead giveaway. And listeners, I know you're gonna look at people's posts differently now, when they post their leaf and you'll see people in the comments saying all sorts of stuff, but rich, you know, it makes sense, because if you have a healthy living soil that's full of a bunch of good microbes. It's very hard for those harmful fungal pathogens to establish, right? Yeah, there's no room for them there. There's there's too many of the good ones. So now

I could see over watering, though, making them breed like, Yes, we were saying, Man, I could see that being a huge problem. 1000 living soil and there's

so many different types. But you know, it's some sort of fungal pathogen when it's attacking those veins. Now, the one that I had definitely had, you know, like, corners of the leaf would just have a big black circle that would go over multiple veins, and it's like, oh yeah, that's a fungal pathogen. But the worst symptoms were the tips of the leaves. The tips of the leaves were turning into withered, black, just necrotic tissue. It was like, it would turn dark, black, and it would get so bad that, if you, like, pinched the tip of the dead leaf, it would like, powder off into this, yeah, into this. Like, black powder probably, like, probably some sort of sporulation, I bet, probably spreading more totally. So they're nasty. You guys, fungal pathogens are no joke. And it goes back to our first point. Someone will see that leaf, and someone on IG tells them this is a deficiency, and they start adding minerals. And it's like, that is not what's going on here. What you need to do is apply more good biology, aggressive good biology, like trichoderma, has helped people. I was thinking, yeah, reach for the trichoderma. And then the other product you want to take a look at is a product called Myco stop, and that's a Streptomyces bacteria. Myco stop Streptomyces bacteria, and that bacterium specifically antagonizes things like these umycetes, these fungal pathogens that we don't want. So those are the ways that I've had to battle. But Rich after moving from Oklahoma, I don't get that anymore, so I'm knocking on wood. Damn. That's me knocking on wood. There better water source? Yeah, I guess. So, I guess it can come in on the water. I don't know if it was in the pipes. I don't know if it was in the wall. I don't fucking know, but watch out for those fungal pathogens, everybody. You gotta watch out. All right, I'm gonna hit. Pen here. Take a hit of the hit of the coffee.

Gotta have it.

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I leave mine alone. Once they're in there, they're pretty much set. I mean, I let the fan, you know, blow them around a little bit and shit, but I'm not in there playing with them and molesting them all the time,

truly, in the truest sense of the word, you are disturbing them by physical agitation. So, like, I think this is a big point rich, which is, we support all gardening styles here. And if you're like me, and you want to look at your plants and open your tent and, you know, touch your plants and stuff like that, that's all well and good, but the plant really doesn't like it, right? The plants would prefer that tent closed until you needed to water, right? Yeah, you're

already fucking with their environment when you open and close it, you know, that little micro climate. I don't

think people see it that way. I think that, again, if you want to be in your garden, I do not blame you, but just understand that, like me, you you probably get a better yield if you just left that tent close. I open up my tent when I work, and then I leave it open so I can see it from my desk. I leave it open during shows. Plants don't want that. Plants don't move. They don't have any sort of mobility. They like to be stationary. When a plant is under a grow light, especially, it's going to position itself in an optimal position, because there's the light source isn't moving. It's not like the sun, where it needs to change direction and change angle. So it's going to put itself in the perfect position. If you rotate that pot, it's going to have to take energy away to get into a better position. I know it sounds kind of nitpicky, but it's true, right? True,

though, yeah, it's, it's very true. You can watch it, especially with seedlings, if you, if you take them, they're very noticeable with seedlings, and position it to the left or right of the light, it will definitely point itself towards that way. And then if you take the cup and move it to the other side, just watch it. It'll have to use the energy, like you said, to move itself around and aim itself toward the light again. So you're absolutely taking some energy away. So what you know? Why not? Not do it right? They're not moving around in the in their natural environment. If they were growing by themselves, they're not. They don't have legs. They're not turning themselves around. And, you know, doing like that, exactly.

Yeah. And as gardeners, we want to take pictures and touch things and move things. And what do you think about touching your buds?

So like you said, everybody can garden their own way. That's totally fine. I mean, I'm not saying don't do it. It's completely fine, too, if you want. Every now and then, I'll I definitely touch my the buds, or mainly, what I'll do is take, like a sugar leaf on a good part of the bud, and I'll rub the sugar leaf trichomes to smell it. I usually don't actually rub the bud itself, yes, so I don't know if that really qualifies, but yeah, I try not, I try to avoid touching or playing with the flowers, especially once they're set and really doing their thing. I don't want to disturb all the little hairs or pistols or, you know, whatever.

Yeah. Those trichomes get set up, and you don't really want to squish them down. Yeah, you

don't want to disturb the trichomes either. You know, touching them they're bursting, and I prefer to leave them, you know, to each their own. If you want to touch them and play with them, fine. It's not going to kill the plant, unless you're really hurting them or something. But overall, I prefer not to, not to touch them or mess with them, or I want them to be as optimal as possible when I harvest.

I think that that's exactly right. And there's two big schools of thought, which is like, yeah, they're gonna produce more. And I, you know, I would like to rough up my plants. And like you said, that's well and good. My suggestion would be, what I've been doing lately is I'll choose, like, a mid lower bud that's close to the front of the tent, and that's my sniffing bud. That's the bud that I'm gonna wipe the fan leaf. Like

you said, really good point. Yeah, I usually try to stick with one, but totally you know, for each plan, if I'm gonna be touching it or rubbing the trichomes on a sugar leaf, it's almost always the same one. It's not like I'm moving around from bud to bud. That's a very good point. Choose

one. That's your that's your sample, but your sniffing bud, and maybe that's the one you can even sacrifice.

That's the one that might be coming down early, exactly. Yeah,

pop it off early and try it and smoke it. That's your sacrifice bud. There's another big tip, for maybe

the fan hits it hard, you know, harder than the other flowers, so I might have a little wind burn or something on it. You know, totally,

you're right. That's the sacrificial bud. That's hilarious, dude. I like that protects everybody else. I like that a lot. Yeah, does it ensure a good harvest? I don't know. The sacrificial bud, it helps. It helps, or it helps the anxiety, though, that's for sure. It pleases the gods when you sacrifice the bud. That's really funny, dude. So, so, yeah, I think that. I think that as long as you're aware that mangling your plants and just even moving your plants and disturbing your plants is probably a little bit of a net loss for the growth. Just be aware of that. And if you want to completely maximize your plants health and expression, you should probably leave them alone. And if you need to sniff, get one sacrificial bud and choose it. Yes, instead of, you know, squeezing the tops, like I see a lot of people do, which, again, I mean, I don't blame you. It's delicious. And, yeah,

I don't like, I definitely know people that will come in and, like, actually squeeze a bud, and I'm like, no, no,

let's not do that. Right? I wouldn't do it. Just know what you're doing. That's the important thing. And know that plants like to be left alone. They don't like to be fucked with unless you're gonna open that tent, give them some minerals and microbes and be on your way. So there you go, everybody, that's tip number four, big mistake to avoid is moving your plants, disturbing your plants too much. Leave them alone. Get a, get a wise cam, you know, or a, yeah, some sort of camera that you can, that you can monitor your

energy, can be put towards better use, for sure, although

I am guilty of this. So, you know, do as I say, not as Oh, yeah. Oh, man, this is good stuff. So those are four big tips. Now we're going to move on to the last one. I think this one is a little more abstract, but I think people are going to identify with this. So one thing that I've noticed, rich, and I know you've noticed this too, is that when people are growing sometimes they can get a little bit stuck on a strain, a specific strain. And let me be clear, sometimes, what I mean by stuck on this strain is it's, it's all they want to grow, and it's, it's the basis of their garden, and it's, it's, you know, it's at the forefront. They're never going to kick it out. This is their plant. This is what they're going to grow. They're going to grow and let me be clear, if that's because you found a strain that's very medicinal for you, for instance, and you want to keep that around, well, that's kind of what this whole game is about, that I understand. But sometimes I'll see that people like a strain for one aspect or another. Maybe it came from an exotic place, far away. Maybe it's rare, but it doesn't really jive with their environment, and they're running into all these problems because this cultivar they're growing is very specific, and it's just not conducive with whatever environment they're growing in. You know what I'm saying?

Oh, yeah, yeah, I've definitely seen it. So I was

just talking to Steve, our good friend, Steve potent ponx. He's over in Thailand, and he's grown in Thailand. He's hunting these strains, and he's, he's showing us the camera, and all these plants are over in the corner. And he said, these ones are all going, they're all they're all gonna go. Why? Why is that? Why is that? Why are you calling them? Steve? Well, they don't do well out here. He said this blueberry cross is beautiful, but it shuts down halfway through the Hot Thai day, and it just gets all droopy, and then it starts to wake up again. But then it's night time, so it goes back to sleep. It just doesn't work with the environment. It's probably a fucking fire strain. It looked like a beautiful plant. It doesn't work. Work with the environment. Do you think that it's hard for people to accept that maybe this strain just isn't the best for my climate, just isn't the best for my feed cycle, and let some of these finicky or strains go

Yeah. I mean, especially if you're like you said, if you're really stuck on one, I mean, some people have strains that they've been running for years, and maybe all of a sudden it's just not like you said. It's not running the same way that it should be. Or maybe it's just the environment like you were saying it could be. But yeah, absolutely, dude, I've seen this quite a bit. Lots of people like to keep shit around and then, like you said, or they get it from somebody because they're in love with it, and it just doesn't jive well with their grow. Like you were saying, Yep, you know, they just it something about their feed schedule, or maybe it's just the way that they run it. It doesn't come out the same for them, but they just can't get rid of it. I've seen that plenty of times,

and I think the disconnect is just how differently these cultivars can grow from one another. So I just experienced this with the Molokai citrus Kush, which I ran twice. Oh, I do remember that. Yeah, and I love this strain, but God damn, I have never seen such a heavy feeder. I just haven't seen such a heavy feeder, man ever in my life, it just eats and eats and eats and eats. It's probably used to growing in the fucking ground, right with the high mineral content, true, right? The Hawaiian soil. That's probably what it's used to. So when I brought it to my tent in Oklahoma, it was happy enough, but God damn, it was yellowing and yellowing throughout flour because it was just so hungry. I finally let it go this run. I love the strain. It reeks, probably the most volatile, loud strain out of my tent, but it's just not working well with my system.

That's actually a really good example of this is especially stuff from seed people. You know, we all love to collect seed packs. And maybe you're hung up on a certain thing and and you pop it and like you're saying, it just doesn't, doesn't do well in your garden, and you're just super inclined to keep it because it's these seeds or something. Sometimes you just need to move on and go to the next thing, or pop more seeds of it. Or, you know, just try something else, just because it's something you had your mind set on. You know, you don't have to necessarily stick with

it totally, totally and you could be hunting new things. Maybe there's something greater out there for you, do

you really want to be babying a plant forever? You know, right?

And again, if it's, if it's the medicinal side, then that's a different story. Like you. If that's what works for you, you might need to change up your garden to make it fit. But for me, I just like the strain because it was exotic. I like the way it smelled. I like that it was from Hawaii, but I just can't keep running it. I can't do it. It's too finicky. It's not it's not conducive now rich. One thing I will say is, when you're dealing with a grow that uses containers, specifically, smaller containers like my grow is currently, wouldn't top dressing this one plant be a good way to increase the nutritional delivery for just that plant, and then not the rest of the

tent. Sure. I mean, why not? You could throw some tap dress on there, especially something that's like a quicker release, maybe like a sustain, or that chicken poo that I've talked about before, something that'll break down from posted litter. Yeah, it seems to break down really fast. And in fact, you can put it in water and, you know, bubble it or just leave it overnight and make like a, you know, like a compost tea out of it. So it's very quick release for a organic top dress. You know, it's not like putting, like some kind of rock dust on or something,

right? So it's an important note if you do have one of those heavy feeders, but you don't want to adjust your if you're feeding with liquids, like I am, you don't want to adjust your mix, throw in a little extra nutrition into the medium, and then make sure that you have some sort of microbiology going on to help with that top dress. Maybe you can keep up that way. Good call. So yeah, just just a little bit of advice. But the important note being, don't be afraid to let these strains go. There's a lot out there in the world, so much good stuff, so much good stuff. So don't pigeon hole yourself. Even if it is special to you. You got to be able to let go of what you love. It's

easy to get stuck on shit these days, but, like, even I do it all the time, you know, and I have to tell myself, like, there's just so much other shit out there, and there's so many packs of seeds, you know, so many new strains coming out daily, or, you know, shit every year. I don't even want to think about how many new strains come out, but there's, it just seems like shits getting better and better too. So don't be scared to try something new.

Yeah, 100% man. So I feel that people can sometimes get pigeonholed. Just make sure you're being objective with your selections, and don't be afraid to move on. You know, move on to something, to some brighter pastures. This was an awesome overview here, man, let's just recap quickly, five big mistakes to avoid in your grow that I've been making recently. First adding nutrients at the first sign of trouble. Instead, make sure. To check all the other factors, check your environment, check everything else that's going on, and make sure, before you fuck with the medium, that you're making the right move. Make sure not to stack your stressors. You don't need to top and move your plants and flip and transplant all the same day. Space those out, and you'll have less downtime and lag time. Make sure you're diagnosing your deficiencies correctly, and don't mistake fungal pathogens for deficiencies. Again, remember to make sure to look for the leaf veins. And if that modeling and necrosis is happening on the veins, that's how you know that there's something fungal going on in your medium. And then, of course, don't move or fuck with your plants. They don't like to be touched as much as possible, unless that is a core part of your gardening happiness, I would say, leave those plants alone. And finally, don't get too hung up on any given cultivar. Make sure to keep your mind open and make sure not to shoot yourself in the foot by growing this finicky, finicky cultivar instead of swapping it out for something that just thrives in your garden, easy to grow, and is born to be there in your exact setup. So there you go. Five big tips, good shit, Rich. I appreciate you doing this, doing this deep dive with me. Always

a fun one, man, I always have a good time coming on and chatting, especially about gross shit.

Oh yeah, man, we could just wrap growing forever. But before we wrap up the whole show, though. Man, tell us more about what's going on in your garden. So we can expect the Oreos drop. We can go over the crosses, if you'd like. And then I want to know about these 50 new plants. It seems like you do fino hunts about 50 to 100 at a time. So people get excited. Man,

yeah, there'll be a couple new ones, like banana punch. That cut is also from Farmer John. I can't remember where he got it from. People love that banana punch. Yeah, it's by symbiotic, symbiotic genetics. It actually has, like, real banana Terps, and the frost on it is next level, for sure, which was the first thing I saw when he showed it to me, or his buddy showed it to me, who also had a cut of it. When we were in Colorado, I was just blown away by the frost and the banana smell on it, but it's just an all around great, great plant. So I used that as a mother and hit that with some of that, the Oreos feminized pollen, while the Oreos hit it, not me. So there's that one, the truffle cake number two, which, you know, I absolutely love. And I think me and Farmer John have talked about it. I think the truffle cake and the Oreos are going to cross extremely well. They're just both super frosty with lots of bag of peel. But, you know, they both got very strong Terps, whether it's ranchy or gassy or truffly or, you know, it's not like a sweeter kind of strain, so it's kind of more, more up my alley. I like the gassier or raunchy or stuff. So I have really high hopes for that one, the Oreos s ones, those I'm super excited about, just because I love Oreos, and I would love to see what else is lurking in those lines. So I think other people will enjoy those too. And same with the truffle cake s ones. I also made those in a separate room. I let a truffle cake flip the truffle cake reversed it and made some some truffle cake s1 so I really want to look through more truffle cake sheets. Yeah, man, see what's going on with those pain and, oh yeah, people love that truffle cake. And I have no doubt that the S ones will also find some very interesting and unique plants in those. I have no doubt about that. So, yeah, I'm very I'm excited about everything that that we have going on with this, this new pollination So,

and then your same slur cane, you said, also getting hit with the Oreos, that one's going to be bad,

you know, I had to throw the slurricane in there. Had to, yeah, there's a couple other truffle strains too, like white truffle cheese, white truffle the belief cut the original one, which is the mother to truffle cake. So there's a couple couple other truffle plants in there with different different profiles in the truffle cake. So I think they're all gonna end up crossing well and making some very interesting and unique Terps. And I'm not a cheese fan, but the the white truffle cheese is super, super good and complex flavor. The cheese just brought something else with the truffle, with the white truffle, and it's very pleasurable to smoke. So I really, really enjoyed that cut. Got a hold of it and hit that with the Oreo. So I'm excited to see what comes out of that. Just because you've never done anything with cheesy strains,

yeah, that white truffle cheese really blew you away. How would you describe that? Are you getting some cheese off of it? I know you said it was kind of complex and multi dimensional, very

calm. It's cheesy. Yeah, it's it's complex, but you definitely get some cheese, but it's mixed with, like, gassy truffle flavors. So it's not all cheese. Like I said, I'm really not a cheese fan unless it's in crosses, and it seemed to cross really well with this one. And in fact, if you want to look. At really well done pictures of the white truffle cheese, the one that I used, Farmer John, I believe, just posted some pictures on his Instagram. I gave him a cut of it. And, I mean, she is incredibly frosty, just all around beautiful plants. So if anybody wants to take a look at pictures, scroll back on his page a little bit, you'll see the light truffle Jeep, nice.

The two way highway between Farmer John and riser rich. It's the that's the Highway of fire. That's what we call that at Farmer John 13 is his, yeah, dude, holy shit. This is going to be an awesome drop. I'm like, really, really excited. Our first time. Good work, man.

I mean, I hate to say it could possibly be my best work. I think it possibly could be just because of, you know, the fems and certain traits being pulled out a little bit easier. But the goal with every pollination is really to be better than the last one anyway. So I could say that with every one of them, dude,

I don't know, they're all so good. It's done so much good work. Rich. In my head, you should be so proud, bro. I respect and appreciate that. I am proud. I think you've put out a bunch of A pluses. Like, honestly, there I was looking at some people seem happy. I was thinking about I was looking at some peach typhoon the other day. Oh yeah, it was fucking insane. This thing is, like, pink and, like, it's like hot pink and covered in frost, looking back at your lunar lemon. Like, holy shit, dude, this it's crazy. And, you know, I'm stuck on the peach quake. Still, all the peach quake crosses. I wait, yeah, that tectonic truffle that I grew was done in fucking seven and a half weeks, I've never seen anything. I just

popped like it. Hopefully I find a quick one too, that comes

from the truffle because I see people talking about that truffle cake finishing fast. But what happened with mine was I got the peach tones and from from the peach quake. So mine smelled like peach snaps, or like peach nail polish remover. Yeah, it was like peach acetone with, like, a little bit of low end mushroom type from the truffle cake. But what it got from the truffle cake was the frost coverage. And that bitch was done in minus eight weeks. Less than eight weeks. I could not believe it, dude. Yeah,

a lot of people got fast finishers. I was surprised. And like you said, truffle cake finishes fast, but some people were getting, you know, almost a week faster than her. So it's just wild.

It's fucking dope, man. I'm really excited, really, really excited. So thank you, man, thank you for all you do. You're killing it with seed CO and and now you're going to be sharing some of your information with the home breeders. We're going to be teaching people how to start their own breeding journey, start creating their own strains. And I'm excited to teach it with you, man, because you've got some really cool opinions and philosophies and methodologies. Are you so excited for this class on March 4 and next level in Rockford?

Oh, dude, I'm definitely excited. I I tell people all the time new growers and long term growers that you know, at least one time in your quote, unquote, growing career, whatever you want to call it, you should make, you know, do a pollination and make your own strain, just to, I don't know, experience it. It's very rewarding, totally, to even just, you know, pollinate and put two plants together and grow the seeds out and see those plants and be able to smoke them and know that I put those two phenos of that strain together and made this and nobody else has it. You know, it's just very unique and a very rewarding feeling and experience I think everybody should do, and it's not hard to do at all. So I think it'll be fun getting that info out to people. That's

going to be awesome. So we have a whole intensive workshop that I think a lot of people are intimidated to get started, and by the end of this workshop, you're going to be ready to start your breeding journey. Not only will it teach you everything that you need to know, but we're also going to do some hands on stuff, like show you exactly what pollen application and pollen preservation and all these things look like. And then, most importantly, we'll have a bunch of resources available for you to get started Absolutely. So yeah, thank you, Rich Man, you are killing it, and I'm gonna pop these Oreos ASAP. Man,

oh, I I hear you. I actually just popped a few myself. So with my, uh, my current 50 seat link, so I got some of those in there. And the tectonics, frost cakes, Rhino butter. Got some key lime madness.

Ooh, the key lime madness too. That's just my favorite.

Yeah, I definitely had to pop a couple of those that I had laying around. I wanted to look through more of those. And I got some shit by other breeders. I got, like this, fresh coast, the garlic ice mints and the purple Oracle cake, some relentless those black cherry gas, ooh, some exotic genetic stuff his apes in space. A couple of these packs were from that member in Virginia, Chuck Oh, shout out.

Jimmy. Chucka, yep, hell yeah, hell yeah. That was so nice for him to donate. So he's a badass. So that's, that's the new. Pop, you got about 50 strains that you'll be hunting through for the next pollination. Whatever it may be, 50,

a little over 50 seedlings, not strings, but yeah, a little over 50 seedlings. And, and, yeah, there's some, some key lime pie fems from caper in there. There's a couple other strains that I can't remember off the top of my head, but, uh Oh, hell yeah. Oh, the members, they wanted me to pop some of the when I did that poll a while back, the key lime pie across the gelato by slaughter genetics. So I popped some of those that Pure Michigan cross with the dino meat. Oh, yes, that's right. Can't think of everything off the top of my head, but yeah, just a lot of really, really good shit. It'll be very, very interesting to see what we end up getting in there, because I like the the larger seed hunts. You know, you can get multiple things going on. See multiple finos. Like I said, I'm probably most excited about looking through the Oreos, or the truffle Cake Oreos, and then the s ones, and, of course, the frost cakes and tectonic Rhino butter. Our shit probably is what excites me the most. But I'm always excited to see what else I get, and other people's stuff too, and all the stuff that I'm popping from other people seems to be fire, so I have no doubt that it'll be dank too.

Hell yeah, man, I cannot wait. We will be staying tuned, and again, listeners, I will update, obviously, on this show when the Oreos drop goes live, you're hearing this Monday, there's a possibility it could be up, but stay tuned, and you can find all of riches work at growcast. Podcast.com, forward slash, seed CO, S, E, D, C, O, grow cast, podcast.com/seed, CO, well, man, that's all for today. Any final words before we wrap it up? Appreciate you. I

appreciate you. Appreciate everybody that supports us, and Steve co y'all kick ass been very motivating for me, at least, to keep doing what I'm doing. So I appreciate each and every one of you, all the listeners, everybody we

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