Hey friends welcome back to another bonus episode of cubicle to CEO. The podcast where we ask successful entrepreneurs the business questions you can't google. Speaking of answers that aren't so easy to find online, you'll be privy to never before told stories and juicy disclosures in our gutsy themed interview with my friend Natalie Franke today, in celebration of Natalie's second book, Gutsy launching this August. You may know Natalie already as the author of Built To Belong, host of The Independent Business Podcast, and chief evangelist at Honeybook, but you'll get to know her in a whole new way when we put her in the hot seat to spill her guts on her gutsiest moments. And you guys Natalie comes through for us. We hope this honest conversation encourages you to be brave too. And in tandem with this episode release, Natalie generously agreed to give away five signed copies of her new book to five of you lucky listeners. We're hosting this giveaway on threads. So click the first link in the show notes below to go directly to my threads profile @MissEllenYin, where you'll see our Gutsy book giveaway thread and instructions to enter. Make sure you give @NatalieFranke, a follow on threads too. You have until July 27 to enter so hey, don't procrastinate go into while you're listening to this. Good luck.