Care of Magical Shippers Podcast Episode 26 - Flintwood: 🪨 + 🪵 = 🔥 (Marcus Flint/Oliver Wood)

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Hey there listener Fancy seeing you here. Look, sometimes due to the things we discuss on the pod, it might contain potentially triggering content. But the good news is you can always review the episode description for a full list of the warnings applicable to this episode. Oh, and just so you know, this episode is rated are really filthy. It includes adult themes and explicit content. So if you're an adult, buckle up, Gird your loins and prepare to flood the basement because we are going down with these ship crashes ship space, let's go to ship don't care if I guess he stolen my bearings. Well then you can get the bricks. This is my own CCTV Welcome back to Care of Magical shippers podcast a Harry Potter ship culture Podcast. I'm Nathan.

I'm I don't know why with you saying like, podcast based be like, let's get ready to podcast which is really appropriate. Okay, okay. Okay, so if we're gonna have a bunch of sports puns, if we're quite a thing like that, it's gonna be this episode, because what are we doing, Nathan?

Oh, I didn't know. Do you want to tell the listeners? I'm too excited. I don't know that I could get it out. Nope.

We're both stupid excited. So we're gonna be doing Oliver wood and Marcus lint, aka Flintwood. And it is probably what like, I can't remember if you read it first or second after the goody? No, it

was it was second because Prime Minister first.

Yeah. So that was the first rare pair. And then this was part two of sealing Nathan and my my friend. So here we are. And we have been talking about like, when are we going to do a Flintwood episode? Like since we started the damn podcast, we finally reached the point where both of us have been on and off sick, work life. Everything has just kind of been not great. I mean, yes, like, so we were like, what do we know? If we were to sit down and start talking and have the best time? It would be Flintwood So here we are. We're doing Flintwood

So we came back with a ban. And we are really excited to be talking about this because it's a common ship. The most cannon ship we've ever discussed. It's my OTP I should have had a jingle prepared for like oh two P alarm but like it's it's it is my quite possibly my favorite ship. I mean, some of the ships we've covered have been absolute fire and I've loved them. But I have loved this ship. Ever since the day I had the pleasure of reading your film, which if you haven't read destroy me go and do that right now because it's an incredible

amazing recorded a pod fics so there's also the pod fics version two so if you want to read it you can if you want to listen to it, you can it's there. Yeah, it's amazing.

If you want to hear the the moment that fomented our friendship, it happened after having listened to the recording have destroyed me. And it's

especially because he kept sending me little short clips of him making mistakes like recording Yeah. Which I still have on my phone to at any time. So Nathan, with your permission, I'll probably put a couple in Yeah, you couldn't

do that. That's the thing. You of course the listeners. That's the quality content. The listeners want to talk about these characters they want to fumbling, clutching, Clean Sweep fives, that's what

I'm a master at delivering that line now. But listeners let me tell you when I was recording the original part thick for that thick. It's a line that JK Rowling herself wrote because you because you took part of the original text. And there was this moment where Fred and George were holding their broomsticks and the line is clutching Clean Sweep fives. And I just could not for the life of me. And the harder I work to try to get those words out the less words emerge from my mouth. So Max will max will probably at the end of the episode or somewhere surprising. Insert my my fumbling because that's what you came here to listen to right? Not

probably Yeah, probably right now, so have fun listening to it right now because I have no chill and no patience. Oh man, it was so good.

destroy me. An adult Harry Potter fanfiction by Harry Met Sally

he smiled nastily at Fred and George, who were both clutching queens. Quick click is really hard to say, clutching quick it's hard enough to work under these conditions, clutching Clean Sweep for hives. Why is this so difficult, clutching, clutching, Clean Sweep fives. You can do it Nathan. Okay, welcome back. Yeah.

Anyway, so, so needless to say, we love Flintwood And yeah, I would say like back then, I mean, I still really love like, I really love Drarry I really love Snarry But I, I feel like Flintwood would be, I would be as excited about Flintwood as dreary if there was as much content like I love Flintwood Like, but I probably I don't think I've read all of it. I think I read all of it. So it's like, I want to like keep you know, getting more of it, which is really exciting because right now I think we're still in the realm of the two month period that would you rather challenge is going on which is over would centered writing and creating challenge. So I think it's like, would like with dashes in between Would You Rather challenge at Tumblr that has all the it has prompt cards, it's got music, prompts, visual prompts, text prompts, quotes, you name it every week or two weeks gets a new prompt card and you can make as little or as much as you want, as long as it's centered around Oliver woods. So I'm sure that some more Flintwood stuff will be made and hopefully I take advantage of that as well and make some new stuff because it needs it but I I love this pair I love I look at it. And I see like we think we think of dreary right and we yeah and hairy and they're like okay, they're rivals obviously and Quidditch like to an extent because Draco's all mad and sad that Harry got to play Quidditch and first year and then his dad buys them on the team. And so as far as like skill wise, we never can really look at them as being like completely matched in that regard. It's just like, Okay, it's Harry versus Draco because they're both seekers. But we don't know for a fact whether Draco is at the same talent level as Harry is where as it's like, well

even with like Hermione comments on it, she goes, Yeah, at least no one on the Gryffindor team had to buy their way in.

Right. Exactly. And so but you but you can tell like even though he plays dirty, you know that Marcus Flint is good. Like, by the way that he like he's always scoring. Yeah, he is. Yeah, he's good. Yeah. Oh, he's always scoring.

He just he knows what to do with those balls just straight away,

and what and what hoops

he aims right for those rings. So I need to inform you that I am in a funny mood today, you'll be getting a lot of this from me. Because, you know, with the imminent advent of world war three and everything, I've been overcompensating by throwing myself into the funding end spectrum. So there'll be a lot of punish and just an attempt to leave the world behind today because because I need I

think all of our mental health needs a little distraction once in a while. So

absolutely. Yeah. What better way to distract it than by coming face to face with balls and ring

and clashing Quidditch muscles.

would strike of wood against Flint that slot Thinking sound of

and that's something that I love. Okay, so number one reason that we know that Flintwood is canden is the fact that JK Rowling herself named Marcus Flint and Oliver wood and what happens when you put flint with would you make fire? So I believe like she might have picked like oh yeah conflict whatever it's like um sexual conflict and romantic conflicts like up it's like that's the fire that was meant behind the deeds

literal tender being sparked yes absolutely couldn't agree with you more. It's right there and it's even right there baked into the film I mean that eyebrow raise that

yeah, I I love these boys. I love these. I love these boys so much. And what I love most about them is that they're both when I think of Okay, so what my head cannons for Oliver which of course we get from the book sometimes he's written to be like, I don't know, like, kind of like level headed like, in some stories. Flint is trying to provoke him. But Oliver doesn't let him like he's like, oh, one day I'll get you know, Oliver to, you know to like break or whatever. I'm like, you don't have to break Oliver. Oliver is just isn't open. Can you just have to poke it? And it's like, he's just, he's he's ready to blow when it comes to Marcus flicks like me.

All right, you ready?

As far as like, anger, frustration, like he's not gonna hold back emotion.

Of course, that's what you were saying.

Things all things but I just went when when he's written as someone who like, has a cool head. I'm like, Oliver is the last person on the face of the earth. I picture with a cool head ever.

Like, Well, yeah. We know that he's really passionate about Quidditch. He's obsessed. He reaches obsessional levels of sport fixation. And possibly one of the reasons he's so infatuated with the sport is that he gets to spend a lot of time flying around certain people, which, which he may or may not also be obsessed by this is my headcanon for this, because, sorry, you're gonna say something?

No, no, I was just thinking because like, because something we had talked about before even starting recording was the fact that how the original text had quote, unquote, mixed up what year you know, Jake had mixed up what year Flint was in, like the first book, he was introduced as a sixth year, but he was in the Quidditch final in the third book, so then he would have been a seventh year twice. So then it was stated, Oh, he's so dumb. He had to retake seventh year. Which to be fair, if you're gonna pick a character to make that work, Marcus Flynn, okay, we can like, you know, he's described as having troll blood in him, you know, be that because he's dumb or be that the way he looks but but also it's like, okay, it was a nickname so.

But also, that was Harry's description of him. We know how biased Harry is especially into, like, he's so judgmental. And the only reason was

like stunted not well, not well fed. So obviously had to have been like, three, you know, really short. And then I'm sure that, you know, even a fifth year like boy could or sixth year or whatever, could be really tall, like even just like he's so tall. But ya know,

I take it to mean that he was like inordinately muscley. But yeah, very hard to interpret this as just him being trollish. Right. And so, we get this description of Flint being trollish in from Harry's point of view, but I don't see, this might be too personal of a revelation. And I may, I may ask you to cut this at a subsequent point, however, that to me, one of the things that interests me about the character of Marcus Flint, is that he set up to be the the quintessential bully, the the the sort of the, the jock character, who gets his way by being rough, you know, whatever. And there is a certain element of when I was at school, I was bullied. And as much as you hate your bullies, there's also a part of you that in the act of being bullied sees a kind of attractiveness, looking back at it as an adult, like, you're like, Okay, I sort of hated them, but I was actually there was there was more there. And I'm like, I don't maybe see that you know, Had I been in Harry's position? aged? What 11. I may have described Flinders trollish, too, but here we are two years old and opinions. opinions change. Okay. And before you will write to me angrily I know that Flint is a character. I'm not. I'm not in any way asserting that this is real life. I am not. I'm not that far gone yet. But I do. But I do think there is definitely an element of what will we call it predisposed. prejudice in hurry at this point. Where it was a flint is just basically mostly, but then they in the films, they give Flint these fake teeth to where presumably because of the description of him being trollish in the books, because, obviously, you know, evil, villainous characters need to have some sort of evilly villainous appearance, but, but I don't know, I still think there's something in the way Flint delivers that line has that line in the in the first film, I think it is where he's like, take that side.

I can hear it. It's a loop in my brain.

I think it was supposed to make him sound just like one dimensional and evil. And I think either it's either like Katie or Angelina does get like trapped and ends up like being really horrifically injured following through on his orders, so I can't find it completely lovely. What he does, right but but I also in in tandem with his bullying behavior. There's also something underneath it that says that it points to a certain element of his character that I still really like, obviously, and, and that's also why I like him and work together. Because Oliver Wood is a lot more as obsessed as he is with Quidditch. He's a lot more, you know, sort of friendly to his teammates, there's a lot more compassion there. And when those two sort of opposing forces get together, there's just so much potential.

Yes. makes me so happy. I know. It's so and so what I love about with when we started getting start getting into fanfiction with Flintwood, especially if we get when we get to get point of view, Marcus. I love that. And the reason I love that is because, well, why do I love Snape, I love Snape because I love reading things from snipes perspective, to give us a reason why he behaves the way he does. And so then like same thing with Marcus like any of the Sutherlands once you get in their mind, like the pressures he was put under by his parents, or like actually being like, abused at home, or, you know, various reasons why he acts and behaves the way he does. But also the friendships he does have and the genuine things he builds with his teammates. So seeing him as the Oliver wood character with his teammates, and how well and protective he is of his teammates. And so that's always super fun to actually see that flip side of the coin, not just, you know, not the bully. So getting to see someone who's like, you know, it's like that tough exterior, but then has that like creamy caramel center that you're just like, okay, he just needs to like let the vulnerability out but would never do because he's you know, got this like thick, thick shell that he just couldn't break through. There's that muscle issue show muscle they show, that's where I think a lot of a lot of Flintwood is post Hogwarts, it's like, coming across each other after school, it's like, they realize looking back that the reason they hated each other was because they're actually into each other. Either they're playing professionally together or against each other professionally, or one of them is and they come in contact with each other. As long as it's them. I really don't care when I just I love so I've loved getting to know, fandom Marcus, you know what I mean? Like yes, belt and even getting to know the other southern Quidditch players. Like I didn't know anything about like kegs or I mean just names are literally just names and for people to be able to give personalities and like, for these characters that we only literally have names for is always super cool, too. But I just I when I think of okay, let's say that either a they were in the same year together or B it would be even more intense the final year if he did repeat classes. Yeah, I think I've read a story where it's like, you know, Oliver shows up to classes and like, what and and Flint is there. And he's like, What the fuck is Flint doing here? Like he should be gone, but he's actually retaking classes and of course he has to take classes with all over now. So then if sceetos Yes, so then it's like he's getting to see him outside of just you know practices but also in the great hall like think of this even if they didn't have classes together, even if they didn't see each other on a slick on that, you know level they still see each other at mealtimes, they're still going to come across each other in the hall, like there's, and you know that those two are going to be seeking each other out all the time. And when they do leave in another, they're going to just be like, imagine the number of of shared detentions those boys probably have together. I just like in the whole time. They're just like,

liberate Chad detention. Yeah, exactly.

So it's just, they have found their ways of, you know, like, it's just and then there's also the like, the fun thing that some people say like, oh, it actually was an instance where they were friends before school, and then they were put in different houses. And then of course, that they take two different directions, even though they had like, become friends because they both loved Quidditch. And they played together and that all of a sudden it turned into something else. And oh, I like that. I know. So I love that too. So it's like there's just so like you said, there are so many possibilities when it comes to these two that I just, I just I love it. I love Marcus. Either mark is being written as someone who's like say more than Harry like a lot of times it's written that it's more than Harry that tease him that he looks like a troll you know, like we get that from Harry but in fanfiction or whatever, like people DM him and make fun of Ed hint of him as being unattractive. But then he puts on the tough exterior to protect himself from being like, well, I don't care what you think I can beat you. Like what? What is it? What does it matter if I can beat you up? Like, doesn't doesn't matter what I look like, but it's obviously a very severe insecurity. And so a lot of times we're like either later in life when say he does get with all over the whole time. He's like, Well, Oliver could just leave at any point because I'm not what he deserves to have and of course all of us like You dummy, like knocking them on the skull like no, you're exactly what I want and that's why I'm here you know, sort of thing so it's definitely you get that vulnerability of not feeling good enough because of how he looks because all over could be seen or described as someone as like the attractive jock you know, like someone kind of like the Cedric Diggory of being like you know, things like that. So I just I love I love getting in his head but just as much I love being an Oliver's had to because it's just it's just a roller coaster in there of just him being just like so so much ust and on edge and easily, like, like riled up and it's just I hope you're

listening. Which makes you think it might not escaping me all of these words like on edge like I just like it's there. It's baked right in you were doing this deliberately. I'm not reading too much into it. Don't shake your head at me.

It just hey, it's like it's a hey, it just it comes out the way it comes out. Yeah, so but yes, to all the above to all the representations of whatever I could say. So I'm just like, I'm here for all of it. But yeah, so I just, I love that. I love them. I just love them so much. I want there to be more stuff. So I need to I have a work in progress thing. So hopefully I can get it done and have that posted for Would You Rather because that would be that'd be great. I mean, it's just a matter of time and getting things done and whatever. But but I just I always love going in and experiencing these two together because I know that it's going to be fun. Like it's just it's always fun with these. Yeah,

yeah. I mean, I've seen a lot written about them where it's just like the equivalent of a one night stand or a hookup or whatever it happens to be. But I prefer whenever well I suppose I prefer that with any pairing really. But whenever there's there's something more behind it. And I think part of the reason you see just the fun get togethers is because there's not that much written about them. I mean, what do we know about wood who's Scottish? And he's a jock that plays Quidditch and he's passionate about Quidditch. And he goes to play Quidditch after he leaves school. So there's that dimension, and then we know even less about Flint. So I get why people don't write as much about them because we just don't have the cannon backstory for them. But I think that there's something so interesting about their pairing that goes beyond just their Quidditch muscles banging together. In a tantalizingly appealing way, don't get me wrong. I do love to read that as well. Of course they do. But there is there's something about that those two diametrically opposed personalities that are that have to be in opposition when they're playing Quidditch. So they're already naturally adversarial that there's so much tension then between them, that that has to build into something else. And yeah, yes, absolutely. There's the sort of the fiery sexual element I love when it builds into an exploration of, you know, both of them coming to realize that, oh, wait, there are actual real feelings underneath this as well, right? And there is that potential there with them, you know, and some pairings that we talk about, like the crack chips, you really do just see it as it's fun, and it's great, but it can't really be sustained, or, you know, long running, whereas with them, because, you know, you can say, well, you know, there's not much in common. So, you know, there isn't that much material there to work from, but that, to me, is also one of the bigger pluses. Because it means that fans can do whatever they want with it. And people really do run with it. But like you say, I wish there was more, because I just love the character so much. I mean, I mean, Marcus, to me, radiates that sort of that sort of big, large energy of just like, of coming from humble beginnings, or of of being that sort of tough kid that that tough nut to crack. And wood is just so I see I see wood has been quite dry, and shrewd, and clever in a in a backseat kind of way. And that sort of coaxing, poking energy is perfect when it's paired with flint, because he's just such a an unstoppable force. And, you know, no, I've got that the wrong way round Flint is the immovable object. He's the sort of the, the big slab of Flint is and what is just poking him just continually, and eventually, eventually when that breaks. And like I say, there's real emotion behind it. I don't know, I'm just so invested. I'm so invested. And you can say, But Nathan, this is clearly just because, you know, there was you know, stuff going on in the films, there was the raised eyebrow of wood whenever that whenever Flint thought he was going to score that goal. I mean, that gif has been shared across the internet ad nauseam. And you know what, you wouldn't be wrong, you're not wrong. A lot of my interest has been sparked by what was there in the film. But then my interest in in Wolfstar We spoke because of that hug in the Shrieking Shack, which is which I replay in my head over and over several moments.

Give it just give Nathan his moment to recall that moment.

Yeah, I mean, there are moments in the films that don't get it operated on that have more contained within them than we ever get to see. And I so while my interest may have been piqued by moments like that, I feel like fanfiction then takes it to the next level. And this is where you guys come in. And I am so grateful to all you incredible Flintwood shippers out there that do write this stuff, because it satisfies a very deep part of my soul that I didn't know needed that bomb needed to be soothed in that way, but every time I read a Flintwood I never come away feeling shortchanged. I never read one and think I could have done more with that or I would have taken it in a different direction. Every single thing I've read that pairs the two of them together. I've enjoyed Yeah,

I I think I've devoured I think I've devoured everything I need to I go through the moods of like picking a character and then being like okay, who do I like to see them with and like just keep just keep reading and I was in like a Marcus Flint mood and I actually fell into some Marcus Harry and really up to that. Oh, no, no, I was like what I don't it was it was really good. I mean it's still Oliver it's that was that's different once again, it's like different ships have different dynamics. And so that was a completely different dynamic from but it made me it made me love Marcus like it made me more intrigued by Marcus whereas initially it was like, Oh, I love Oliver, which I do. I love Oliver and so even though I still have to I've read a little I've read a little purse of her and I know that's really popular because yeah, like the nerd slash jerk or jerk. Yeah. Probably a jerk nerd slash jock, scenario. So it's like you're getting that versus like jock on jock

stuff. All right. I'm still gone.

So I know that's really popular. I need to read more of it. But it's I think it's because I love the how charged Flintwood is that it's like, I would have to be in a totally different frame of mind thinking of Oliver in a different way than I do. How, like, when I think of his personality, a big part of it is I think of how he reacts to Marcus. So for me to think that Marcus isn't a piece of the Oliver puzzle, it's really hard for me some, you know, to some extent, but then when I think Marcus, I see Marcus being able to needle anyone, you know, like I feel like Marcus could needle and be that, you know, with anyone whereas Oliver I don't know, I need I need to read per server and I know a ton of you out there like I love purpose of Earth, like send me stuff I will. I'll read some perceiver but I'm just so into Flintwood that I've yet to deviate, like Oliver with other people, even though like now I'm curious about like Oliver slash a twin. And that's also one that I have I have thought about but I don't think I've looked for so that's you know, but I mean, when I think of Oliver immediately, I'm like he belongs to Marcus.

He doesn't fiercely I agree. I mean, I have read, I've read some perceiver. And while I do, I should stipulate listeners for those of you shouting at me through your phones, or however you happen to be listening, that that dynamic is incredible, because there's a lot more slow development of feelings. It's a lot more sentimental. It's it can be angsty, and brooding as well, especially when one or the both of them isn't sure about how things are going. And I really do like and enjoy that dynamic. So I'm not saying that I shipping Flintwood I don't ship Oliver with other people. It's just that Flintwood To me, is the ideal Oliver would you ship because there are just so many moving pieces that all slot into their opposite with their pairing. And I really, I just really enjoy it. Again, this is a bit of a personal revelation. I don't think it's gonna surprise any of our listeners. It's a very, you know, our fan base is very accepting of me, they know me, they love me, it's fine. So when I was at school, I wasn't really into sports. I was sort of the, the nerd I think I talked to you before we started recording about how in my secondary school, I actually like did extra library cataloging I was. So I was I was never really involved with any that, you know, letting a football team or the rugby team. Obviously I was interested. But at the time, you know, I wasn't putting two and two together. So now being able to read fanfiction that go that puts the two of them in that setting. And at that time is is satisfying to me. Because it's getting to experience that part of life that I didn't at the time. And I think that is why I am so I'm also so heavily invested because it's satisfying a part of my life that I didn't get to satisfy this time around.

Oh, interesting, huh? I guess like I did, I did various sports but some but most of it was because my dad didn't have boys and he was one of those that was like, I don't have boys. So I'm gonna make you do quote unquote boy things. But I mean, like I played softball. I did. What did I do? I don't I did it. But oh, I played hockey. I played softball. But then finally I got into cheerleading which was my choice. I got into cheerleading and loved it. I love cheerleading. That's what I

talked about. No, no, I

did. Yeah. I could not do anything that I could do at school, but I did I did do that. So I mean, I was definitely I was a combination. I was very focused on my studies. I was definitely more of a even though I've like I have extroverted personality traits. I'm also someone who loves to be alone. So I'm also like, I have fun around people like I can go out and and not be uncomfortable around people. But if I don't see people I'm also not upset.

So it's me to a tee. I am an ambivert too. Yeah,

so Oh, it's a I would do like sports and things. And that's, I would, you know, I would still be outgoing in that sense. But I also was, like, worked really hard on my, I mean, I was in like the top 10. And the end of the I was definitely a big blur of I don't even know what to make myself as far as when I was in school. I don't feel like I really fit into any sort of, like, I guess, like stereotypical role, which is great. Like, it's just, you know, doesn't need to I don't need to be I don't need to fit anywhere. No one's nice.

No, no. But, ya

know, that's a really interesting perspective. Because, of course, for me, it's like, obviously, that wouldn't I wouldn't think of that as driving factor just because like I was exposed to and involved in almost every sport from the cheerleaders point of view. So it's like I was, you know, even though I didn't play basketball, I understood everything about basketball. I understood everything about football, like I you know, like I it was, but I don't know. Yeah, that's really that's really cool. That's really cool.

Yeah. And of course, Quidditch is codified as the equivalent of you know, the school sport. Nobody does anything else like you play Quidditch or you do nothing, which makes me wonder, you know, how so many of those school kids stay physically fit and active, but I suppose you know, having to walk to Haggard's regularly when it's like halfway down a hill and across a bridge like that's gonna keep you fit if you're not if you're not playing Quidditch but yes, I definitely speaking.

I just thought of something. Okay, well, I'm, I'm, I'm reading I'm reading us names right now a Severus slash James Potter. And part of it is, Lily and Severus are starting a belly dancing club at school. And so McGonagall is all for it because it's a sense of like physical activity that students can get involved in outside of Quidditch. So it's funny you said that, that I'm like, well, actually, Hogwarts has a belly dancing.

I love So can this just be canon, please? I mean, I want it to be of course, we should see various characters belly dancing. I really,

I'd hope that there's clubs sports, you know, like it's like we think of Quidditch as like, like you said, it's the the school sport and I'd hope we don't hear about the clubs. The only time we really hear about clubs is in the fifth book when all of a sudden all extra extracurriculars are canceled and you have to apply so it's like people start bringing up all these other minor clubs that you're just like whoa, those are you know, those are golf stones. Yeah, like there has to be a ton of other there could be a knitting club there could be a whatever like who knows there's probably a bunch of things that we just don't see. Because either it just wasn't hairy and the the trio were too busy saving the frickin world and who knows who knows? Maybe Draco Malfoy has like a cross stitch club. I mean, who knows? Like you've just seen there could be a lot of things.

Oh, I love that for Draco. I love that for good riders.

Yeah, absolutely.

He embroiders all of his handkerchiefs, which is of course

he does with with the Malfoy family crest and in gold filigree. Yeah, I definitely think there are more details that even Jkr envisage than that were privy to in the books, because I remember her saying something about for the fourth book Goblet of Fire, it was a lot longer even then the final version ended up being and there was a chapter where Sirius went to stay with a woman who was like a cat lady, and she really loved the chapter but the whole thing got cut. So I know for a fact that there will be more club details somewhere, but like on the subject of the belly dancing club. I absolutely see Slughorn being really proud of his belly and and showing that off.

Hey, are you psych horn?

Yeah, yeah, I absolutely see him working it you know, and I'm all about like body positivity. If you want to do that Horace like that is now my my head cabinet. Yeah. Horace Slughorn is on the committee of the athlete dancing.

Yeah, he's like, What is it like the teacher like the, I guess? I don't know if like there's, there's always a teacher that oversees a specific club. Like they're the, you know, I don't know. Yeah, whatever. So whatever that person is.

There are professors as well that we don't really see very much of or get to know like sinistra and those grumbly plank There are loads of people that we've even Professor kettle Burton, whose characters magical creatures teacher before Hagrid, that we only are introduced to once he leaves which is a really weird

we don't know how much of him isn't

Well, we know that we know that prosthetic limbs and things have to exist for wizards. But move that moody, like preferred to have his wooden leg because it's more of a statement of, you know, success against the odds. But we know that that must be a possibility. So it's highly likely that Professor cattle burn just looks perfectly normal that he just has wizarding prosthetics. But I'm getting way off.

Pettigrew has his silver hand, even though it's probably a more cursed version of that sort of situation. But I mean, yeah, there has to be tons of, of things.

What Pettigrew use his silver hand for, like other specific things he has to do? Or could is he just free to use that hand? Foot? Whatever, because it Voldemort has to have some control over it at all times? Because it strangles him eventually,

right for doings Yeah, but yeah, now I just picture it's like, it's a working hand. But it also like is, is obviously connected. It's like connected kind of like Harry involved more connected. It's like he can sense like, the like the probably has a stronger connection to Wormtail and so when he like senses, any sort of like, switch in him or whatever it like, if you know, like, you are given this gift as being a loyal servant as soon as you are disloyal. You lose that right? That's possible. Yeah, that could be in the magic right?

Well, cuz because I'm picturing like, an extension of thing from the Addams Family.

Yeah, that's what I was picturing. But yes, thing.

Yeah. And I just doesn't take it

off at night. Like does Canada's little Silverhand like go and do its own little thing, like at night or sleep on a pillow beside?

Okay. This is a definite fan art moment, if you are in any way artistically inclined. And you want to send us Peter Pettigrew, 100 fan art in this episode that is supposedly about how did we got here? I've taken us at a massive 10 minute diversion. I promise you how does this happen? I love a ship. I love this ship. And we end up not talking about it because somehow I want to know if Peter Pettigrew Silverhand.

No. My gosh. Yeah, I don't even know how we got there. All I know is, yeah, I don't know. I do clubs with like clubs and other teachers and Slughorn. And then some of the teachers have missing limbs and then we get into

I mean, you're getting what your listeners Yeah, Yo, everybody know your heroes. So we could talk about anything we could talk about? Dream topping waffles. It's all possible.

Oh, oh my god.

So Flintwood Flintwood. You were saying that you'd read quite a bit of them. Post Hogwarts? Yes. Is there anything sticking out to you like any au or anything that you've read that that sort of that you think encapsulates their dynamic? Really well post Hogwarts? Because I'm just wondering, like, does it differ from seeing them in Hogwarts, like, opposite ends of the Quidditch pitch?

So one that I really loved, which I'm gonna have to, I'm gonna have to look up which one it is, but it's a longer one. I feel like a lot of Flintwood is, I don't know, in the realm of like, maybe 10k At most are like usually one shots like shorter one shots versus like chapter FIQ. And this one was definitely a chapter fic. And I really love it. So I'm gonna have to, I'm gonna have to look it up and find it. But um, so if I figure out what it is enter here, here is the name of Sid fics. nothing left to lose by a mortal banner. But it's, it's where it's after Hogwarts. And what is it and Oliver of course is pursuing his Quidditch career and he's actually been with someone else like some OC they've been together since like the end of school. Pretty much he you read through it and you know that it's like, okay, Oliver is still with him because he's afraid to not be with someone because like he has like no ate tears and things from the war. Like he has lots of trauma and his partner gets him through that trauma. So technically they're getting married. Like, technically he's already engaged to someone else. But then he reaches a point where he realizes like his partner has no interest in Quidditch. He thinks that Oliver is his dream is stupid. So I'll write to your like, like this person has the most intense toxic relationship that it's like, it was written so well, you know, it was definitely abuse. See, it's and like, and the fact that Oliver acknowledged Oh, I've been I've been abused for years emotionally and like, because I've been cut down, like, over and over again. Like, I want him to come to my games. And he's like, why they're dumb. You know? Like, when are you going to get a real job? When are you going to did it and the whole time you're just like, oh, Oliver, what are you doing with this person? And ultimately, his only reason is the fact that he has someone because he's afraid to be by himself, like, Oh, no gets into panic attacks, like he has panic attacks and things. So eventually, he realizes he can't do it anymore. So then he goes to what is a Muggle? Yeah, Muggle gay bar, like his friend either is like, hey, go somewhere where you're not going to know anybody and just go out and you know, and he's, I don't think he had been with anyone else. Of course, that was completely weird for him. And then guess what Marcus Flint is there. And this Marcus Flint, I can't remember what his job is. But he's not in he's not a Quidditch player. I think he works at grin Gods because I think he has like a he has like a low end position. Because his notes he didn't get many notes. So it's like he wasn't, he couldn't really get a good job, you know, sort of thing. It was the way it was.

So he's a low level executive.

Yeah, I think he works for Bill Weasley, I guess, I think. So but so we get to see both points of view, which I loved. It's a long story. And we get to see both of your points of view, which I absolutely loved to be able to swap between the two. So ultimately, of course, they like Oliver's like, Okay, I thought I would maybe find someone random and then have a hookup to get over this, whatever. But I run into Marcus and they get talking. And Marcus had gone to like, with no intent really to like do anything that night. And then all of a sudden they're like, Okay, well I guess we're hooking up and then after that, and ended up falling into like, well, actually, I do this again, and they you know, kept hooking up all all with the backstory of Marcus having never slept with anyone more than once. Wow, never ever, ever because he has the pressures of his parents being like, the flint fortune, the flint name Flint Manor. Yeah, bizarre, like expected to marry someone and they keep setting up these dinners with all these pureblood witches so that he can marry and he's like, you know, I'm gay. Right? Like, you know, I'm gay. I've told you like probably like three times a day because apparently you can't accept that. And even it's so it's it's his like rebellion to his parents but also like, he doesn't have the ability to like he just has so many vulnerabilities that you don't see like because it's Marcus Flint which is fascinating to get to know him from that you know, the fact that he was put through so much pressure like it just so it ended up getting into this fake dating thing where he invited Oliver to pretend to be as boyfriend at the holiday party as like a shocker to his parents. And yes, that's when you know things are changing between them and Oliver's like what's happening like things might be or are a little different than just like even though from the beginning they're like this is just one more horror name we ally each other like that's that's just that's where it where it goes.

Confirm that happens.

But ultimately, all of her sees he's like, Oh, I have someone to talk to that likes Quidditch. Oh, I have someone who actually is like interested in me and things like regardless and it was like reaching a point where like, they started to actually be doing boyfriend things. And that's when Oliver's like, Okay, I need to like call this out. Like you're coming over after work. Every day. We have meals together, we go out like we do boyfriend things. And then that's when Marcus shuts down. Because he's like, he cannot connect to the two even though it is that way. He's like, No, it's just physical. It's just physical. I can't do this. And he just like leaves and of course, like destroys Oliver. But then finally, Marcus is like this is this is stupid. It's literally me getting in the way of being happy. And it's, it's the most angsty thing but then of course, they end up back together and it's just amazing and Oliver is like so supportive of him and standing up to his parents and like, it's just, oh, it's so good. It's such a great I just I loved the fact that it wasn't it was a different play on them like both doing Quidditch and them coming back together and seeing each other again because they both play Quidditch like, it was by chance that they ran into each other like there was no other reason by the fact that they happen to both be at this Muggle bar because Marcus only sleeps with Muggles. because he never wants to have that connection to the wizarding world, which then would mean like he would see those people again. Yeah.

Would link it to all these pressures he wants to escape.

Exactly. And it's just Oh, it's so it's so good. It's probably my It's definitely my favorite Flintwood. And I definitely will reread it. It's one of those that I'm like, I would read read this. So good. It was so well written. I don't know how long it was. But it was, I mean, it was longer than most Flintwood are and it it was just, it was so great, because it was just the whole time you're just like, wow, Oliver deserves so much more. And then Marcus, you can give him what he needs. And he can give you what you need. If you just let him you know what I mean? Like it's just this like, it was just surely emotions. Like, I mean, you know how I am with like, deep emotions and things when I'm writing things like this person really got into the emotional side of things. And I could, I felt like I was feeling so intense the entire story. But even from the beginning, I'm like, get out of this relationship. Oliver, what are you doing, you're wasting your time you're settling, you are settling so hard. So it was

put that is proof that you're invested in character. And the thing is, I feel like the book sets you up to be invested in Oliver particularly, because if you think about it, Oliver is introduced when Harry catches the remember all that Draco throws, and he is the one that gets Harry set up on the Griffin door Quidditch team with mechanicals help. So he's he's set up to be like a really big part of Harry's assimilation into wizarding world. And I think we do come to care for the character of Oliver. And then as you know, other events happen, he fades more into the background gradually, which is a shame, because I think, you know, we do get invested. And I haven't really talked about this yet, but so much of like, well slash hips. For me in particular, there's an obviously there's an element of wish fulfillment in it for me. I mean, yes, you could say that about the, you know, the physical side of the relationship. And sure, you know, the smart is smart is fun, but where what I am invested in Flintwood, for in particular, is that eventual arrival, wholesome emotional resolution, where they can deal with whatever particular demons or trauma or whatever it happens to be together, because they complement each other so well. And when they arrive at that point, there is something inside me that goes, Oh, I'm so glad somebody has that. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Because, you know, so, like, so much of the LGBT culture that I have particularly experienced up to this point. And this isn't to denigrate anybody's individual experience. But but the the, the hookup side of things can get a little demoralizing after a while because the currency of that makes it feel like you're not emotionally valued in the same way. So when I read a slash ship, particularly, I'm interested in that emotional connection between them, and when that happens, I'm like, Yes, particularly with Flintwood because they are such different characters. They come from different backgrounds, they have totally different outlooks on like they're okay, the one thing that they have in common is how ambitious and driven they are to succeed at Quidditch. And I love that about them because it's that ambition that keeps literally burning them together. But ever in almost every other respect they are each other's polar opposite.

Okay, so I just I just remember a scene from the story which stands out to me as one of the most amazing scenes like it just I can picture it. So this validates Yes, he worked at grid Gods so he was working at grid Gods he helps like count I think he's like He literally just counts gold. That's his job. Sorry, we were doing some some count stuff before we started recording Sesame Street or whatever. But anyway, so so he's there counting gold, and he happens to see all over come in and talk to a goblin and go into the vaults and then leave and then he sees Marcus and like horse stares at him and then he leaves then Marcus is like, I don't remember if he leaves early or he takes his lunch early because he's like curious, and then sure enough when he goes to leave all of her Sitting like in the chair in like the atrium, you know, like he's like, just like waiting for him. And this is literally like the day after or a couple of days after their first night together. So it literally was like they saw each other once. And it had been since school, they had only seen each other once in school, and then they happen to run into each other. You know, so it was like they saw each other. And then that was at the moment that they're like, you know, it'd be nice to do it again. But the reason Oliver was there was because he was separating the bank accounts from him and his previous partner, right. So I literally liked making that step of like, this is over and I'm moving forward. And, and Marcus is there. Like, it's like, I'm moving forward. And so now it's like, now they are on their trajectory moving forward together. I just thought that the symbolism of that was so beautiful. Just like he's like, Oh, yeah. You know, it's just separating, you know, our bank accounts because that's obviously a thing like they were gonna get married and yeah, it was just Yeah, it was it's that was so good. I can picture like I can just I can see little Oliver like in the distance in the center of like grand gods and Marcus just honing in and seeing him there and them their their like meeting eyes. And oh, yeah, I just Oh, I love that story. That's another one. I just like I love so So hey, here's the one that maybe you should read. And then maybe we could do an episode about it. Because it is so good. There's so many elements of it that I could break down that I'm forgetting that I wish that I could read through. So that ultimately,

okay, well. That's happening. I want to do that I love this ship too much. Just leave it at one episode. I know, it's not like this is our podcast. Look, I know, listeners, you're along for the ride. But I am sorry, I'm taking the wheel of the ship right now. We are doing a Flintwood Fick episode at some point in the near future, because I can't I can't just leave it at one episode. I need, I need you to know that the reason that I love them as a couple amounts to more than just their glistening Quidditch muscles in the summer sun, or whatever it happens to be. So yeah, yes, there was a certain amount of wish fulfillment there. But I just I feel like it's one of those. It's one of those ships that like we said, from the start, it just feels right with the leader. Like it's not one of those ones, that you just have to pluck a character out of thin air for them to end up with. They are there's so much tension between them already, there's so much conflict, there's so much drama, there's so much history built into their competition, that that has to go somewhere. And I love the I love the idea that this author has taken this really universal experience of maybe ending up with somebody that is wrong for you, because they don't share your your interests. And you're just invested in that relationship because you're afraid of being alone or being by yourself or whatever it happens to be. I think a lot of people can relate to being in that position. Absolutely. And I really, I suppose I think this is one of the things that's kind of fundamental to all fiction, really. But all good resolution comes out of being resolved from those periods of really dark introspection, those areas of your life where you think, Oh, well, you know, wait, I did make a mistake, I am going to have to backpedal, I'm going to need to change things for me to be happy, when characters in the happiness out of coming from a place of sort of internal despair. I love it more, because you see what they've struggled through to arrive at that conclusion, you know, with so I think that's why Tomarry works, because, you know, particularly with hurry, what he's had to go through to arrive at the conclusion that he does to like he's had to come across this adversary that has been like a massive part of the entirety of his life basically shaped his life to then they like, as we did with love of a good wizard to then go back in time and meet Tom before he kills. But it's still like it's still Tom Riddle. And we know that that's bringing up an awful lot of stuff for Harry like, like it sure it would be rewarding to the reader for them just to end up together and you know when it'd be nice, yeah, once but if you have the internal conflict, the moment of Whoa, why is this happening? The end result get is so much more satisfying and And I, particularly one of the things that I love about Flintwood, like being together at the end of it is that they've, they've had their individual life, they've gone and tried to be separate from each other, and it just hasn't worked. Because the implication there is that they're destined to be together, and being the sappy romantic that they are, or at least, you know, when it comes to fiction anyway, I just I really love when an author leans into that, I am grateful that thick like this exists, I want to entertain the possibility that life can mirror it in some way. And you beautifully talented authors, let me do that. And I will remain forever in your debt. You are some of the most talented people on the planet. I don't care what anyone says.

I know it's true. Yes, absolutely. It's amazing. I just, yeah, it's, it's awesome. And what I love about the post, like post Hogwarts stuff for any ship, is the fact that it's like it plays into the theme of right person wrong time. Like in school, you see how things are developing a certain way, but it's like, but if it happened, then it wouldn't, you know, things would it wouldn't work out. Yeah, well, but then later on running into that person be that, you know, serendipitous or whatever, which I mean, they're definitely felt very serendipitous multiple times in this fic that we'll be discussing. And it's just adds that has that own romance to it of like you are meeting the like coming back into the life of the person that you're supposed to be with. And you were supposed to be with them at this point in time in their lives. Because all of her needed, you know, needed him to someone else to step in and tell him you know, there's literally just any sort of decent person could treat you better than then your fiance does, like literally any person. So it just, but yeah, and I mean, and we talked about like, another main reason why I think a lot of times that we like the ships that we are I least I like the ships that I like is because this is an enemies to lovers ship, for the most part, or even its enemies to friends to lovers. It's the fact that it's like, it's starting as enemies and then getting to that point. So you know, you're in for a ride of like, you know, bunch of angst and roadblocks and all that stuff. And so and that's those are the ships I love the most is it's like, I have so much fun with enemies, two lovers, and these guys are just, they're just, they're just so great. I don't even know what, what more I can say because I'm just so like, I'm just having talked about them for a I just, I don't know, I just I love this character so much. It's like it's overwhelming. Yeah, emotionally.

from the, from the time, we're introduced to them, they're coded as each other's opposite. So they're both captains of the Quidditch teams. And so we're supposed to infer from that, that there's a sort of a Draco Harry animosity level going on. But it's on a, on a different scale. They've been around longer, there's more history there. We're not privy to it, because we're only seeing it from Harry's very, very young perspective at that point. Like you say, I also like the Lego, as I've said before, I really enjoy post Hogwarts stuff, because it gives characters room to emotionally mature, but I do what is especially love Fick that even though it's dealing with characters in a post Hogwarts way, it will flashback to times when they were in Hogwarts and flashback to little moments that don't even need to be, like very charged, but for that character, for that person in that moment, it holds an awful lot of emotional significance. And I'm thinking of things like the seduction of Arthur Weasley, and the flashbacks in that fic. Because those moments, I think we we do have moments with people that are that become the sort of like transcendent moments that you carry with you as being talismanic or emblematic of something bigger than they are in that moment. And I love that, like the RE exploration of that, from an adult context from them being away from school, maybe they you know, they never acted on their feelings at school, because there was so much pressure from parents, you know, maybe Flint in the future. Is it a place where he isn't being pressured by his parents anymore? I don't know. Maybe they move away. Maybe they passed on, who knows? But I like that the there is the possibility that they have been given the both of them have been given That room to grow and develop, and then come back together. Because I know like, just speaking from personal experience, I've had times with people where it you feel like you're meeting somebody at the wrong time. And they look like they're really nice people. But it just doesn't feel right in the moment. And there is something heartbreaking about it. And I think, as readers, we've all been through some element of heartbreak. So some part of you is looking for that. The sort of the resolution to that, even if it is fictional, because I know if someone can write it that well, they're writing it from a position usually of writing out their own heartbreak into something that that transcends that. And that that is not just one of the reasons I love this ship. That's one of the reasons I love fanfiction. But I especially love when it happens with a pairing that that is believable for. And nowhere does that better, in my opinion, than something like Flintwood.

And one thing I love that sometimes I've read is the fact that like they do meet each other later in life. And it's something that like, either it rushes back for Oliver and then all those old like animosities and feelings come back and he like holds them against like this 10 years later, Marcus, and he's like, we ever kids, like I don't even remember half the shit I did to you. Like, I'm sorry, I made you feel some sort of way. But I'm like, I barely remember any of that in the whole time Oliver's like, but you were and we did and blah, blah, blah. And he's like, you know, like, it obviously was something that affected all of her to an extent that then frustrates all of her more that it didn't affect Flint as deeply as it affected him. And it's like, and that's another side of things of not of them both coming forward having processed and moved on from things differently. You know, like, it's just so that was very interesting. So it's not them immediately being like, because I feel like we see that in dreary too. Like Harry is always suspicious. Like he's just he's always going to be suspicious of Draco and Draco's, like, I've just been, you know, doing this basic job or living a normal life. And I'm like, why does this you know, like, oh, you know, like, it's just, it's certain people characters can be written to be like, having held on to things. And when you think of like, having when someone holds on to things like that, obviously, they never got the resolution they wanted. So now is the opportunity for them to reach the resolution they wanted just later and in a different way. And ultimately, romance love forever, happily ever.

Well, yeah, quite a

bit or not. Sometimes it doesn't work out that way. But just the fact that it's like, you're finally reaching a point that you can, like, be adults together. And, and work through something that you didn't know, you needed to work through, like Marcus or whoever, or be that Marcus or Draco works through things on their own like, and, and reached a point of acceptance of what was done and either like, I'm sorry for what I did, and I own up to it. And then the other person is like, wait, what, like, you're not gonna fight me on this, like, you're not going to, you know, be all like, protective of yourself or defensive and he's just like, No, it was stupid. I was a stupid kid. Like, I'm sorry that I was that way and, and it's just like, the whole time. They're just like, what's the catch? Like, what's, what's the, like, You're being too chill about this, but really, it's like, no, I'm just a grown adult now that I don't behave that way anymore. Like, it's just

let's be real. He had to know, he had to know that what he was doing was like beyond the pale, because it was viciously like to quote Darby, he viciously like maimed or seriously injured,

doesn't want to mean more seriously.

It was it? Yeah, it like he had to know that he was causing, like, pretty serious injuries to people, he obviously had a lot of physical energy, but he needed to, to deal with that was being channeled in a certain direction. And he has to know that that was not right. So at a certain at a certain point, you know, maybe when he's calm down, post school, he can deal with that, you know, as as we've talked about before, you aren't the 17 year old, right? You were for the rest of your life, you know, you do some growing up, you realize that, you know, the the the ways not just the way you act, but the way you think evolves and you know, and that really changes your your Outlook more than anything, and I really, you know, Flint is characterized as this buffoon who had to repeat a year, but who's to say he didn't, you know, become develop an acumen for certain things, even if it was, you know, working Gringotts just because you don't get qualified. When you're initially taking exams, doesn't mean that you can't go back and qualify. Again, when you're ready to take the exams later, you know, who's to say that he doesn't, like, get a hold of himself, pull him up by his bootstraps and get, you know, get get good for want of a better turn of phrase, you know, that can happen. And maybe Oliver is that person in his life, that's encouraging him that's giving him the support, because maybe one of the reasons he was characterized as always being so thick was because he was never encouraged to be, you know, to that, because I know there have been people in my life that thought I would never amount to much like, a doctor told my mom like 18 months after I was born, I would never hold a pen. And I remember emailing that doctor or sending over a copy of my degree, my English degree to that doctor that said, I would never hold a pen. And I, you know, when I hand wrote a letter to say, Oh, by the way, as you couldn't see that you know

what I'm holding your head. Oh, Nathan, I love you. That's amazing.

Well, I love I love triumph over adversity story. You know, and I think there are, you know, I had, you know, when I, when I got my GCSE results, I'm going to tell them with a personal story. When I got my GCSE results, like my immediate family, were really encouraging me and supporting me, everybody was really lovely. But I texted my uncle. And my uncle's reply was, oh, but everybody's passing these days. And that my point is that we all know, we've all got those people in our lives that are like, don't think above your station, you'll never amount to much. Don't bother trying, you know, life's gonna knock you down. And I think maybe one of the other reasons I like Marcus so much, is that he is the perfect character for a kind of redemption arc. Because really, we only see him as this really thuggish aggressive bully. And we know even even the bullies I've known in my own life are a lot more than that there are a lot more complex, you know, and some people grew out of it, and some don't. But the point is that the opportunity is that and I, I love to think that if Flint got together with somebody like wood, who we know to be passionate about the causes, he believes in that, that that would be good for them both. I mean, like you already said about Flint possibly being the encouraging element for Oliver, whenever, you know, he's doubting himself coming out of that abusive relationship. We all need these people in our lives, that can be our best cheerleaders, because we're good at being our own worst enemies. And I just, I love the idea of them being supportive for each other. It's so wholesome and fluffy. And yes, I love the smart I do. I'm not gonna sit here and deny that there are some bludgers that need a good whacking, I. But I also love, I just love the wholesome, emotional, supportive stuff, because I think a part of me fundamentally believes we all need that we all need that level of comfort, and just reading about it with characters that I care about, that I'm invested in, like, makes me feel better, it actually lifts me up, or does something, it does something to me has an effect on me, that is more than just the words on the page. It is more than just the story. It is the author, knowing what I need, and giving that to me, because writing is an inherently generous act. And I am so I'm so grateful to those creators that get that it's it's just such a wonderful process to be a part of anyway, you look like you want to say.

So I have I'm going to start a prompt for ific like I do. So you were talking about supporting each other. So think of this. He gets held back another year and he's back for another year right? So we have Marcus who's still potentially the captain to either maybe like he was given the opportunity to remain Captain if he met some sort of, you know, academic levels. It's like It's like that with like, like university sports and even high school like if you don't do well, like you, you don't play you know what I mean? Like you're still at school. So, so I feel like maybe what happened was like his final year, he was allowed certain liberties to like, continue, you know, focusing on Quidditch above, you know, school and then that's what his downfall was so that for him, so hit for him to return, if he was allowed to play again, he was going to have to meet certain academic requirements, and then all of her catches wind, that it's possible that Flint would not be able to play. And Oliver of course, is like, if I'm going to beat someone, if I'm going to win this cup, I have to beat Marcus Flint. If he's not playing, then what's the like, you know, like, if he was at school, and able to play and he wasn't there, like, I feel like there would be a piece of Oliver that would feel like it wasn't enough. So all of our offers to help tutor and work with Marcus. So they study for any WTS together and all of that so it's like that combo of them still having that like animosity of like, you know, but then they actually slowly Loki get this rent friendship and probably at the final game, like they are still themselves like out on the pitch of like having that, you know, competitiveness or whatever. But at the end, like I could see at the end, like at the very end, of course, Griffin door wins. Like afterwards, either Marcus coming up to you know, Oliver afterward, like holding the cup and being like, congrats, dude. Like, you helped me so much like, I wouldn't be able to have the opportunities or the future that I could have. Because you didn't you know, because I didn't have someone like you to help me before. And so I just feel like that would just be a slice of life of that final year of theirs together of them growing to have something different. And so that all of us like if you can't play, I don't I don't want to win if I can't beat you, you know what I mean? So it's like, if you're gonna play you have to do this thing, and I can help you do it. So that's, that's

maybe I'll write that. Yeah, that's so much. I love that so much.

I just jump all time you were talking about them, like helping each other. I was just like, I was just, I was literally like, I could see them in the library. I could see them like, I mean, I just it just all painted a picture and like, of course because I feel like I've probably either read something similar or I don't even know if it was like maybe even Harry Potter fanfiction, maybe dreary or something. But I know that there has been something like that where it's like, you it's not only you wanting to win something like Oliver's like, Oh, yes, Griffin door wins the Quidditch cup. But if I don't beat this specific person to reach that cup, because I haven't beaten them before. You know what I mean? Slithering always one. And Marcus was always the captain. So for Marcus to be there, and to not play and not for for all of her to be able to show him I can be better than you. Like there's he's gonna feel a severe level of disappointment and like unfulfillment in that regard of like, oh, yeah, I won. But I don't know, like, I will never know if I could have beaten him. You know what I mean? Well,

exactly. But I also think that's the moment as well, that would realize is that wait, the thing that I think that I'm passionate about, which is this Quidditch team? Of course, you know, of course, he's passionate about it. But when he realizes, Oh, I don't want to play if it's not against Flint. You like he realizes there's that switch in his head, where he's like, I've been being motivated by something other than just my love of the game.

Right? Right. Yeah. Yeah. So I see the thing is with that one, it's like, I would love to write it, but that's definitely like a long, thick, you know what I mean? Like, there's no like one shotting that like you would have to like it would have to be a slow burn, build up. I mean, maybe one day I will maybe that will be my next project. Like that would be so much fun. But I just that sounds so fun. Like I just but there's a lot of prompts that we come up with that sound so fun in the

I know, I know. But I also with, you know, building on that prompt idea, I see a moment where lead Jordan is very prescient and knows that there's like, tension between them. That amounts to more than tension on the Quidditch pitch. And he sort of starts making little commentary, Joe, oh my gosh,

that would be so oh my gosh, oh, my goodness. And once again, Marcus makes it through. Yes. Whoo, whoo. Yep. Oh, and it has to be something where it's like in secret like It's like i No one can know that I'm helping him because that could be a part of like embarrassment on Oliver's part to like admitting that the reason why I'm doing this is because I want to beat Marcus and I'm sure that like the twins or anyone would be like all over you're being so stupid. Why are you wasting your time? Like, it's like we a win is a win a win is a win, of course, all of us like, I cannot convince you why my brain is the way it is. And this is the way my brain is. And I have to do this and same thing for like, like Marcus would never admit to his friends or his teammates that he was getting help from Griffin door. You know what I mean? Like,

oh, there's massive animosity between the houses. Yeah, there's too much inbuilt segregation in that school to fit into how to unity, which is a problem in and of itself. Because you know, we shouldn't be that isn't something that we should be teaching our kids but you know, that moral thing for a different episode. There's, there's that much built in hatred between the houses, or at least, if not hatred, then distrust between the houses that if anybody was seemed to be sort of crossing the divide and bridging the gap in any context, regardless of what student it was, they'd be bullied mercilessly for it. Like why are you helping your slither in? What what couldn't we possibly stand to gain from that? And, you know, the whole house point system is sort of Gigha to you work well, for your house. That's what you do, you know, you work well, for your close friends, but don't don't dare try, you know, extending an olive branch. And I read somewhere that, you know, Oliver, that name comes from, we're always in some way, redolent of an olive branch. And so the idea of him extending an olive branch to Flint is, is particularly satisfying, because it's like, Look, I know, I shouldn't be doing this. But we both know that there's more to this than than either of us is acknowledging, you know, all of this, that can be such satisfying internal monologue, you know, moments of self doubt, of questioning, of angst. But ultimately, you know, I, I need for them a need for, in particular for them to get together. And for it to be happy for this ship. I know, I say that for everything that we cover, because I really don't like leaving characters in an unfulfilled or unhappy place. But for them, particularly the part in me that sees this relationship as wish fulfillment needs for them to be happy, because I need to know it's possible for them to be happy.

And I just remembered there was one of the stories that I read and I don't know if you've read this one, but there is a body swap thick.

Oh, no, I haven't read it. But I have I think we we've talked about,

okay, okay, because that one was super fun, because, of course, it's like when they swapped bodies, obviously, it's everything as far as like, all of a sudden, Oliver is like this big hulking form. And he's like, No wonder you look like whatever or like he's, like always running into things. And he's like, he's seeing it's funny them seeing things from the other person's point of view of like, why they do or say, you know, whatever, and I can't remember if they pretend to be each other, or if everyone knows, I feel like everyone knows, because it's like the weirdest thing for like, Oliver to be Marcus. Like, talking to Yeah, I think they do know, because eventually what happens is they start doing like their own, like Quidditch, Prat, like practice things like having a loan Quidditch time, so they could fly and, and learn how to do things the way the other person does things because their bodies are different. So it's like they taught each other strategies and stuff, which was really cool. And of course, the whole time everyone's like, looking at them, like look at those two lovebirds like, flying around and have a great time and like hugging it out afterwards, like great job, whatever, and it's just like, been lingering. I know my favorite part of it is the fact that apparently Marcus is really like really into skincare. So like when he gets all over his body and he has like dry knuckles and like his skin is all dry and itchy. He's like how can he not like use lotion? Does he know what lotion is? And so then he provides all of her with like a bunch of product to use on his body he's like, don't you send my body back to me like all like you need to do better take care of my body like it was just like it was just so funny to see the flip side of like all of her not really caring what he looked like even though because he was like effortlessly handsome. Like it was seen that way as like, oh he was popular and obviously good looking and people liked him because he was good looking. And then there was Marcus, who was seen as you know, less attractive, but he was the one who actually like cared about his appearance and liked it. It was, it just was. So that one was so good too. I loved because that was getting the point of view of the person but also being in their head being in the other person's head, which is just it's just like a whole, like, yeah, even though but that was that was another fun to read one to read too. I'm gonna have to dig that one up. But you

have to have the characters have to have known that they weren't in their right bodies because they played different Quidditch positions,

right? Yeah, I couldn't. Sometimes I've read body swaps where they have to pretend that they're the other person. But they but everyone did. No. Like everyone did know. And I don't even know if they were able to play on their teams or, or what happened. But yeah, I'm pretty sure everyone knew it because it was supposed to be temporary. I think it was like some sort of magic, you know, like spell gone wrong or potions accident and it would just take a couple of weeks for Stape or Slughorn or someone to be able to get the antidote to put them you know, back to rights or whatever. So it's supposed to be just like a temporary thing. But yeah, that was yeah, that was that was fun. That was fun. So of course, it was like when they swapped, like changed back. It was like, Oh, I missed, you know, it was it became super intimate once they finally like realize, like, oh, I have feelings for you. And then being able to like, See you back in your body having like, had your body and like being able to admire it in a different way. And the fact that what was it like Oliver was mad turned on by the fact that he had Marcus's body. And then there was Marcus who felt like he was like this voyeur. Like, he's like, I can't. Like he, like he was the one uncomfortable. He's like, I can't do that to him. Like I can't. And meanwhile, Oliver is just like, oh my god, like he's just living the dream. And Marcus is all shy. And I mean, it just was like the personality is. So it was just so funny. But yeah, so that was another good one I just remembered. So then the body swap, I love body swap thing. I just I

love body, I love body swap fic as well. And one of the reasons that I love it particularly, is because it explodes the myth that we are what we look like. And speaking as someone that uses a wheelchair, and that is in a body that doesn't feel comfortable 100% of the time, I so love the idea of being able to pop into somebody else's body for a little bit to experience the world as they would see it because it's ultimately, it escapism for me whenever I read it, because it's like, oh, perspective is such a thing. And you know, when you when you get used to seeing the world a certain way, like everybody does in their own body, I'm sure when you get used to seeing the world a certain way, the idea of being able to literally put yourself into somebody else's shoes becomes really appealing, especially when the you know the characters happen to be particularly attractive and into each other. That just adds another element to it. But But particularly, I find reading body swap fit really wholesome for me, because it's like, it's it's literally it's literal, physical escapism. And I suppose you could say, well, when you read a story, you're not reading it as as the reading or not reading it as you you're putting yourself in whoever's narrating that stories, shoes. But what I love about body swap is that it takes the characters awareness and puts them in an unfamiliar situation. Just like when you're a reader, and you're coming to a story for the first time. That's a totally unfamiliar situation to you, you know, you don't know anybody, you don't know what the story is, you don't know what's going on. And for that to happen, in a self aware way to one of the characters in the story. It's just massively entertaining for me, and I love it so much.

Yeah, and one part of it was, what was it Oliver was like, I don't know if it was like low, like, whether it was teasing or partly not. But he was like, oh, so did you, you know, take advantage of, you know, like, my body and like get with all the girls or something like that. And he's like, he's like, No, like one I wouldn't. He's like, I don't go for girls one and then two, I would never do that to your body or whatever. And it was like, it just was like there were all these things that just kept shocking Oliver of Marcus because they had to like it just reached a point of them having to just be vulnerable because all of a sudden they're inside the shell that they had they're no longer they no longer have their, their shell. They're in a different one. So it's like it's totally Yeah, that was that was a that was a lot of fun. I don't read enough body swap. And I think it's it's so much fun. But that's interesting that you say that it's like you putting yourself in that, you know, situation. But yeah, that's Yeah, that's really, really interesting.

So another thing that you touched on with with that particular pairing, and the body swap dynamic is whenever is it Flint says, I don't go for girls,

I think I don't know, I think both of I don't know, it's been a long time ago, but it comes up where ultimately like either one of them uses. Either Marcus makes a comment, because he's in his body is like, Oh, you must have people going through all the time, or all of her says, now that you're in my body, like, are you taking advantage or whatever, or something like that, but ultimately, obviously, they both discover that it's like, no, I'm gay, and you're also gay or whatever. Like, it's just like, No, I don't what not? Yeah, so yeah,

but But what I love about that is that the implication is that their gayness is unique to their soul, and not something that is a physical product of them being in that body. And I love that, because as LGBTQ people we can sometimes be, there's a lot of shame that you grow up with by being other on it. And, you know, you sort of get the idea that those, you know, there must be something wrong with the way that I think or with my body, or because I'm not behaving in a normal way in inverted commas. And what I love about what that statement is saying in thick is that no, who you love, is a part of who you are, and has nothing to do with your physical accoutrements, right, it's just a part of who you are intrinsic to you. And that might be one of the most wholesome things I have you ever come across. So that's so beautiful. And if only If only more writing, made those sorts of statements for people, and we ended up in a more love aware place with each other, we'd be living in a much more wholesome sort of a world, you know, obviously, we are the product of what we grow up through. And I don't know that I would take a lot of the negative stuff that's happened to me in a way because it's informed the experiences that have made me who I am, but I would love to be able to go back to my younger self, and, and reassure me, that the love, I was feeling the feelings that were feeling, were intrinsic to who I was, and not just some random byproduct of some, you know, genetic malfunction, or, or, you know, physical aberration. Because that's something that I dealt with a double whammy of that being gay and disabled, you know, you think you're, you know, there were times growing up where I sort of thought that I was quasi modo, you know, you do if you do sort of think, Oh, well, you know, I must be that there must be something up with me and for for the world to be in this place at the moment where we are getting to a place where we're more ready to acknowledge each other, for the for the soul that we have, than the baggage that we carry, is such is such a good place to be in. I know, there are things happening in the world, at the moment, particularly that are dreadful, absolutely awful. But fanfic, once again, has proven to me that there can be, you know, incredible act of love and moments of good that we can't discount as well. And you know, and even though we're in this place where the world is in a very precarious place at the moment, it's heartening to know that even in these times, we can ship loudly ship strongly and really love each other for who we are. I mean, what, what a conclusion to come to.

Gosh, I'm just like, overwhelmed with feeling and speechless right now. That was so that was so beautiful, too. Like, I just, oh, yeah, no, that's, that's so that's just so great. I don't even know what to say. Just try not to cry right now. But no, but it's true. Because like it because even like how people write like, obviously, by writing things a certain way shows an amount of belief and understanding in a way that the human experience can be and how people can feel and how people can connect other people. So it's like it's not even if we're messing with fantasy people in a fantasy world, there has to be a foundation behind you know that like the morals and the emotions and the feelings that it's like if we didn't believe in them and be moved by them, they wouldn't be as important and vital as they are. And that's yeah, that's another great Yes. Same thing with getting into fanfic is being able to feel those things and validate the things that we know exist that we maybe don't get to experience directly every day of our lives. But the fact that we can read it and understand it and put ourselves into it, where like, even though this is fiction, I know that real love and real, like emotions and feelings and acceptance like this does exist somewhere and his ability able to exist, and that's why this exists here. It's not just some made up phenomenon of like, of impossibility, it's obviously possible if we can believe it of, of fictional characters, we can absolutely believe it and, and yearn for it in true life, you know, relationships scenarios, so, yeah,

yeah, I think gives us the the actual frame of reference to because like, we're all trying to be better, I have to believe that we're all trying to be better in some way in our lives. And like having characters that behave in a certain way that that is accepting or that moves past barriers or baggage gives people the breathing room to be able to do that themselves. I mean, I happen to think that one of the strongest things about writing in character is that it gives you the ability to say things that you would never feel comfortable, or confident saying yourself. And so when fic does the, you know, we talk about fanfic, like it's this silly thing I was describing, I was actually having a job interview the other day. And they asked me because I put the podcast on my CV, asked me to explain the podcast. And I could have gone down the route of like saying, Oh, well, you know, it's Harry Potter fanfiction. It's silly. I didn't do that. What I said was, so it's a Harry Potter fan fiction podcast. But even though it's dealing with fictional characters in a fictional context, it deals with really real world issues we all do. This is just the, the framework for us getting to enjoy it and play about in the world, but it's real, we're real, the community that makes this is real. And we have this influence on each other every day. And sometimes, you know, you can very easily get distracted by the, you know, the negative things that happen in some fandoms. Right? That it's all the fact that it's a made up world. And you're like, Well, you know, they're not real characters. But the thing is, you know, the things they say, and the things that we create, because of those characters do matter. And they are real, and they do shape the way we see the world. So even though it is, on one level, a deeply silly podcast that I love to bits that I love giggling Yeah. Also, this really human space where we get to be who we are as people. And that is what I'm most proud of. Because it's it's pretty, it gives people that platform, you know, it lets us have these discussions. If fanfic didn't exist, we wouldn't have this podcast, we wouldn't get to talk endlessly about characters, you

know. I know this is this is, gosh, I mean, it's still all related. But we're getting into like, I feel like this is kind of a full circle of like, I'm getting hit again, why I'm so getting into an emotional emotional corner of this episode, but I'm just so happy that I mean, something like Flintwood is one of the reasons like we were meant to meet each other at a certain point in our lives that I think both of us has talked about before that we didn't know that there was something missing. Like we didn't know that there was something that there was that we just felt like there was just something that we couldn't reach or that we weren't moving upwards towards something like we thought we always were supposed to. And then this happened and as we started doing it we both went this was that thing like this was that great thing that we thought that we were going to you know have do and have influence and and reach people by doing something as quote unquote silly as a Harry Potter podcast but it's like it's so meaningful not only to us, but I know I know that it this touches and reaches people like we've seen it we've seen people in our Discord we that people tell us how much it means to even just hear us talking and validating everyone and what they read and ship and that's how it should be. This is what fandom should be like just literally being there for one another and then supporting and understanding and even if we don't understand listen anyways, like just like, what I want to know why and that's fascinating that you you know, think or whatever and I just I love that we do this together. Like I love that we've met. This is absolutely amazing that we get to do this like every other week. This is just amazing. We're coming up on. I mean, March, April, May, we'll have been doing this for a whole year Nathan, and we started. I mean, we started months ago. I just can't believe that this is, this is a thing. Like it's just, even if it's just bringing joy to people's days, like that's ultimately it's like we're having fun. As long as we're having fun with for with other people too. As long as you listeners are having fun with us. That's really all that that matters. That's why we're why we're here. We're doing this, we want this to be a fun, you know, expression of everything we love. And hopefully it's everything you love to it's just, oh, it's so much fun. I have so many feels this episode because like you said, we started off with them. Like this was pretty much the beginning of our friendship was that yeah, was this ship and the fact that we it like I discovered it, and I don't even know how I thought of it. And then I hadn't even read anything. I don't think I even saw any art. And I was just like, I need to write them. And then I discovered after the fact that Flintwood was the ship name, and I had read it and then and then it all just, we both were just like this is the most amazing ship ever. Like we literally fell into it together like it was Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, I didn't have any strong feelings about the ship until I read until I read your thick, which we will link as well. But you should know that it is explicit. And the pod Vic is explicit as well. So if you don't want to listen to that, yeah, that's fine. But that's there if you do like it doesn't get explicit until a certain way through the thing as well like

birth stories. Yeah, no, but yeah,

yeah. stories don't just start with

what is it shot? I think some some mutual it's like adjacent stalls, shower. Yeah, shenanigans, but not together. But

yeah, they're the explicit things that happened. By the way, that story needs a chapter to just say, I know

No, literally, it's been on my list for so long. Like, absolutely. It's like, of course, it reached a point like it's like, like anything like the final line. I was like, Okay, this is the perfect like, closing line like to end that story. But obviously, there's so much potential to continue that story. So yeah, I loved writing that I loved it so much. Well, you

can tell because it really is like a dream. And it is incredible. And as I say I had no strong feelings about the ship before I read the fic. And then I was going through a phase at the time of making pod fics and really enjoying that. And I just that was a joy to make. I am not entirely convinced that I did good accents, but I'll leave that for the listeners.

I mean, I loved it. It was great. I I loved your I always I always love your Marcus like you just did it with the Valentine's one when we did the Hermione Marcus, like just what the drawl how slow it is. And then of course just Oliver's like, I mean, it's just yeah, I It's so much fun. I need to re listen to it. Now I've like it's been a while and of course I have to pull out the blue

even the thing is, even their accents are like chalk and cheese. Total. They sound like opposites of each other. And there's something like, there's something about when you when it's not just visualizing a pairing. It's like being able to hear them together. And when I hear them, I hear those voices when I see them together and I see it working you know, the way the way Molly and Arthur I hear them together. You know that works really well because when we you know When Molly gets angry and she gets loud, it's complemented by this very cool, calm collected author who's you know, a little bit more reluctant to speak and just delicate and that complements them each other so well. And it's just another part of what makes their their pairings so perfect for me is that I can if I can hear it well, I can visualize it better. There's another element to it. It's like you know when you when you have a burger you need loads of texture. So you'll you'll put your lettuce and tomato in there to make it extra crunchy. And I just feel it there's so much the potential for texture and this pairing is so great. As you said, from the get go in this episode, Flint and word make fire. And this pairing is fire. It's like I am like I'm on swayable This is this is my opinion and it will be my opinion until my dying day. I will absolutely I will absolutely defend and protect this shit. Yes, with every ounce of my being same because it is it's too good. It's it's too pure. I love them. I love them both as individual characters, but I especially love it's that one plus one equals three philosophy as of where, you know, greater than the sum of our parts. They have that and other ships have that too. But they have that in spades. Yeah,

I just Oh my gosh and here we are. So we knew that this was going to be a long episode. This is going to be a long one

too. To be fair, I did go off and quite a few long tangents clubs and

Peter Pettigrew was hand did happen

at some point which I still need artwork for. You know I make I make impassioned pleas to our beautiful listeners. And nobody sends me physical artwork to get your get your violins out and it's really sad. But like this this is the last this is the last play I'm gonna make because no one takes me up on these

next week this is my last this is my last oh my gosh,

no, this is this is my dramatic moment where I swill my cloak around this is the last one the final request please if any of you could send me artwork of what you think Peter Pettigrew is ham gets up to the middle of the in the middle of the night is it's reaching for snacks in the fridge.

Think about it. Like what a little short little drabble about point of view Peter that could be good. That could be bad that could be you know, whatever does eat switch to you which hand is it? Is it is it's not as such as dominant hand or is it not

weight? Does that does that matter? I

was just thinking like, does he rank with it?

Or does he use it now? Because it's a better hand. Like it's like it doesn't get tired. There's no cramping like it just like speed. Does it vibrate? have like a have like a like a set like tighten slowly over a certain length.

It's like he just pre programmed

swear this is where we ended up. What happened? Wow,

well, well, look. I don't I'm not sorry. I, I feel like there are worse places we could have ended up. I think it's a very strong visual to go out on. I hope. I hope our listeners fall asleep tonight with the gently coaxing image, to cruise freehand. Doing whatever whatever they want it to, whether it's something, whatever it is, whether it's something as innocuous as opening a bag of Doritos, or re you know, reaching for a kind of beer in the fridge or something like that finger doesn't necessarily

what if, what if the literal hand is a natural artist? Like it just it's just it's just in the hands. It's like I need to create and just

Yeah, and you know, it's it's created by Voldemort. So we have didn't think that it has quite like even though it's used for dark purposes, it has to have quite I imagine that the hand in the finger painting sense has quite a childlike imagination. So it's busily painting like unicorn yeah expressing expressing all the things that it can't get to do in its day to day you know working for evil life that's that's the that's the hand living the dream.

So needless today we absolutely ship this ship like there's no there's no needing to be like well, did we convince ourselves no, we came into this is like 100% like 100,000,000% on board with these two.

We will, if you listen very carefully, you can hear the sound of Quidditch muscles banging together in salute and appreciation of this glorious ship, which will always be which will always oil the broomstick the imagination. And,

and as much as I love post Hogwarts things like of course there's nothing better than like locker room shenanigans, you know what I mean? Or like, meeting in the like the broom cupboard or like, you know, like, all those, all those things. There's a Yeah, I'm trying to I don't know, I definitely read more after Hogwarts than I've read probably in school. Like, the one that I wrote stands out to me is in school, the body swap one was in school. If anyone has any other favorites that were in school ones, like, please, you know, I think I get I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure I've read everything, but I need to go back and they're good. But there's always more, you know, it's just there's always more,

and people will write more, maybe someone listening to this will think, Oh, I've just come up with a really great idea for the two of them and write something new. And, you know, if we helped create that, then I am really I'm just Well, I'm really glad that we do this anyway. Yeah, but the thought that we could be inspiring people to write new stuff, or create new stuff in some way is absolutely why I keep coming back and doing these episodes. Because it is like it's the community that keeps on giving. Yeah, who wouldn't? Like the first book came out in 1997? I want to say and who would have thought that something that started when I was now I would have been nine years eight or nine or nine Yeah, something started when I was that young could still be so alive and vibrant so many years on I mean, I know a lot of passionate fandoms but I don't know very many that keep going yeah keep creating so long after the original material has

ended nothing Yeah.

Yep. And you know what other fundam could possibly ask the question What does Peter Pettigrew who's free can do at night

Oh, man, wow. Well, so well on the on the realm of writing those two once again, it's a reminder the Would You Rather challenge is going on for any sort of creation. So definitely check that out on Tumblr. Two of my really good friends are hosting that's so much fun. I'm I'm really excited about the content that's already been submitted. So if you want to do some fun things with these two or even Oliver in any way, shape, or form show us that Oliver can be with anyone. There's always that too. But

do you know what would be really funny? And Oliver slash Cormac?

Huh? Actually, I think I've read where like Cormac was like on a team with all of her like later on. But yeah, that would be I mean, hey, you know, any sort of the combination of like, the Quidditch peeps and whatnot. Yeah, but

because because they definitely, at the very least people would run into Cormac in the broom sheds.

Yeah, cuz what here is what year is he when is Cormac so well, like we only we only discover him? What is it? Is it the fifth book? That's in book six? No, it's not sappy. Book six is when Cormac shows up because he comes to rival Ron Because Ron made the team the year before but I don't think he had opposition. But I have no idea.

The slope the slope club stuff is what I meant club

is six. Yeah. So I don't know what year he is. Or why he if he's so good. Like why he didn't do it before. I don't know. I don't know Cormac.

I need to figure out why. We no characters appear out of nowhere because Luna Lovegood just appears in the fifth grade. It's like oh, she's been there all along. But to her I know

Jenny's like oh, yeah, that's that's loony. Like it's just okay.

Yeah, so, so who knows? But yes, shows that Oliver can be anybody's and and literally prove us. Well, don't prove us wrong, because they're still meant to be together and you'll never dissuade me but just add to add to my already overflowing cup of knowledge. Yeah, this is concerned. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And like if you're passionate about any of the characters mentioned in this episode if you're if you're also passionate about Peter Pettigrew, definitely, definitely get in touch with me at Care of Magical shippers, podcast calm to know, I need to know there are there are very many ways that I can be sated in this world. But just knowing that somebody else is lying awake at night thinking of these burning questions will, will be will be soothing to my soul. Yeah. So thank you in advance for that bit of

it's just thoughts. We are the ones staying up at night thinking these burning,

clearly. I mean, look, look what we make a podcast about the whole wide world to talk about. And we could be talking about anything, but we choose to talk about Harry Potter fanfiction, because something about it deeply speaks to and, and, you know, Quidditch muscles aside, as we've said, it is it's something that is that forms a very an important part of who we are as people. And yeah, I'm sure it's the same with you listener, particularly. Yes, I'm talking about you in particular. Now, who doesn't think I'm addressing them specifically? Imagine, imagine I'm turning to camera now. And I'm looking directly up and saying, yes, you please get in touch with me. And tell me why you specifically love this universe as much as we do. And thanks, also get in touch with us on telegram because we love both voice notes. And I don't bite to come speak to me on there. I promise I'm not evil in real life. Or at least I don't think I hope. So. Think I mean, come talk to me. I think I'm nice for conversation.

And so obviously, it's been I mean, it's been determined. So then our next episode will definitely be us talking about the ship, the ship again, in the fic that I'd had brought up. Yeah, you know, briefly or whatever in depth. So that is the plan. We will you know, we'll we'll plan on that. So I'm really excited to kick.

This is the this is the moment though, that we go insert next week's genomics because invariably, we end up chopping and changing the plan and never is what we say it will be. And this is the reason that the end of the episode now I don't know if you've noticed right now, but we've been, we've introduced a segment at the very end that says what we're doing next week, if you're interested, because we we've decided to do it that way. Because we change our minds, what happens is we're very efficient, we plan ahead, we have a we have a spreadsheet, do have we have our in theory, we have our ducks in a row with this. And then what happens is we get close to recording day. And we're like, yeah, you know, that thing that we planned that we were going to do? Let's not do that. Yeah, and do something else. So So stick around, just to be doubly sure that that is what we're doing next week. But I would love to talk more about these beautiful characters, because I knew I wasn't gonna be able to contain my feelings for just one episode now. And you know, this is we're two hours and counting. Obviously, I was wrong.

Oh, man, and I can't I can't break this one up. This is just like flows together. I'm definitely going to have to start editing way, way early so I can get things done. But because it's this needs to all be sent in one. There's just too much connected that we you know, it would be silly. Yeah,

we can't possibly split this up. Yes, we like splitting them up, which we never

want to do. We don't want to do so. Well, thank you for sticking around with us for two hours or whatever link that we had up reaching at this point of really long episode. So and then we look forward to whatever the heck we do. Hopefully the thick but we don't know. See what we say at the end of it. And yeah, can't wait till the next time we get to ship. Ah, it'll be Yeah, I love this. I love doing this. I love doing this.

So awesome. Just before we go very quickly, on the subject of loving doing this, if you have ideas about anything that we could do to celebrate our one year and you want to get in touch with those ideas, do email us with that as well because we want to do something fun for you. And we maybe want to do something a little bit different. If you have any suggestions or ways that we could make that fun for you. Please do reach out to either one of us, and we will get our party Hutson yes because our one year anniversary is coming up in They were very excited about it. I can't believe we've been doing this a year. I can't. Like, say at the time of at the time of recording, we're coming up on what episode 25

Yeah, she's Yeah. That's unreal. Yeah. i It's crazy. It's absolutely it's wonderful. Yeah, cuz I think the this will be 26 I think. Yeah, this will be the 26th episode. Wow. Yeah.

And one on one episode it was listen thank you listener for putting up with my inane distractive ramblings about Peter vertical whose hand and the weird golf stones clubs. Anyway, belly dancing club. Yeah, of which local is treasurer?

Absolutely. So awesome. Well, thank you for listening as always, we love you guys. Hope you had fun and we will see you next time. Always

so now that you've finished enjoying that episode, a bet you're wondering what we're going to be talking about next time. Will it be a ship? Could it be a trope? What about a character centric episode, editing mags, put the listeners out of their misery. Next time we'll be focusing on

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