Here's one stab at it. In Western ontology, we acknowledge some people believe only the outside world is real, the material world, that's, you know, generally the scientific approach to it. Some people, however, in neuroscience and philosophy, think mind is the only real thing in the world, our thoughts. And of course, then people sort of try to go back and forth between the two, I have a theory I tested in practice, not not so much in practice, as in the field, or in the laboratory, not in my own practice, in other people's practice, so to speak. But I'm saying that's true. I think both are true, fundamental parts of reality. But there's two other equally fundamental parts of reality, which our culture, for the most part, doesn't pay any attention to whatsoever, although that's beginning to change one of them, is the realm of practice of embodied practice that I've got my own practice, and am I aware even of what it is? Do I understand what patterns I enact with bosses, and subordinates and friends? And then can I change my practice, it's not helpful to just change your theory, as my experience with collaborative inquiry indicated Upward Bound, I had to change my practice and in the process, learn something more complex than was available just in the theory. So there's that quality of reality that is in between the outside world and thought, and then there's what I call trans cognitive awareness. There's the capacity to build gradually an observer in oneself, that can be relatively detached, and non judgmental, both about my own practice and other people's practice. And can therefore more consciously and deliberately choose interventions than I would be able to, if I were just caught up in my thought and feeling, I am less likely to get panicked by situations if I have that. And of course, we you know, in recent years, there's been a lot of mindfulness courses and universities, which are the closest we've come to treating that post cognitive consciousness as real. And then there are courses like yours, which help people treat practice as real and important. And indeed, that is what we tell the world about ourselves is is through our practice. So being able to pay attention to that, which is very difficult, because when we engage with other people, we're kind of looking at them for their responses. We're not so aware of ourselves and just how we're doing it. So for a long time, I've loved the sort of image that I say, practice, practice, practice. The first practice is just lowercase. The second practice the P yet the beginning is capitalized. And the third case all the letters are capitalized, meaning that the practice never ends, once either practicing or one has fallen into habitual mode, and of course, most of us have fallen into habitual mode most of the time. And there are very few courses although of course, a lot of therapy is meant to help people get in touch with their practice and all the other forms of group learning.