Scott, I think when it comes to public opinion, you've you've observed correctly and that I think, one it was really easy to kind of hide behind the you know, inaction of Roe right so it roe just because it was the Supreme Court. Decision kind of held things at a certain point, right? You could be pro life, but you weren't necessarily standing for anything that could happen anytime soon. So it was more of a symbolic, you know, position to hold, when the symbolism of it got torn away, because row was taken away. We found out I don't think I don't think it was a situation where we found out that man, we just keep losing people, right, we just keep losing the battle of public opinion, I think it was that we actually found where public opinion was, and public opinion was in that sort of uncomfortable space, generally speaking, a place where in secular society, you have a space that genuine, you know, genuinely wants the well being of women. And honestly, you know, has trouble rallying around that in the context of the humanity of the unborn at the same time, right. There's that sort of wrestling app going on. And Scott, to be honest, and you know, when we talk about what you guys are doing at DNA two, we saw this battle in our faith communities, too. Right? We saw we realized that not nearly as many people as we thought had a holistic sort of pro life view of this issue in the world, actually believed that, right? We had far fewer people who were in that camp, we actually had a lot of people who sort of, you know, sat on, you know, what, well, I'm not advocating for a third way as I'm here. But you had people who sat on sort of either side of a pendulum, that was a minority of people. So you had some people who said, you know, only the well being of the woman is what matters. So you had some people who said only the well being of the child is what matters. That's not necessarily pro life and pro choice, right. That's, that's not what those things are. But you have had, yeah, I've had people stand on opposite ends, very, you know, strictly and with a lot of energy and momentum and passion. And most people who are kind of in the middle, including a lot of pro life, people who are, you know, reasonably thinking, who want the best for mother and child, that is the pro life position. Most people in that space, are sort of alienated by that, and have felt like in a context where they have to choose between one or the other, that that just isn't a good enough situation. And what I think's happened in our churches, is, I think there were a disproportionate number of younger people in our churches, I remember sitting across from a pastor, you know, a couple of weeks after what happened at the Supreme Court, he said, Look, I've never talked about this. But we've got a lot of people in our church space, including a lot of young people who really haven't reacted to this well, and they don't know, you know, they don't know where to stand on this. So they're just following the voice of the culture where it is, because in our church communities, we haven't painted the picture of what God's vision for this actually is. Right? It's one thing, you know, in the world of Roe, we were able to focus on what we oppose, and what's wrong constantly. We never were able to focus on you know, what is the heart of Jesus on this issue, the heart of Jesus on this issue, right is Mother and Child flourishing in relationship together, supported by their village, right, and their community of people? That that's the vision that that's there. That's the position we need to hold on this issue. But it's not a position, it's not one of the political you know, it neither position that we have in the culture is framed that way enough, right to get it there. So it's got I guess, my, my thoughts on this are just, we've got to find a way, especially in our faith communities, to define properly what it means to be pro life because we haven't done that. There are so many people in our society who are retreating from the actual pro life view, not because they don't, you know, actually believe in it, but because they're believing that pro life is what it's been caricature to be and not actually what it is. Because we've been afraid to say what it is. And that's that Mother and Child flourishing together and community. That's the goal. So I think that's tough. And I'll say one other thing on this. I was just talking to John about this the other day there. There's some you know, it's some of the life movement would say that the future of this movement is the unthinkable bility of abortion, right. That's the next standard or the next goal. I think the problem with saying an unthinkable is when you think about something that's unthinkable, right? That's something that we think in the past with great shame over, right? That's what it means for for something to be unthinkable. You know, in the present, we look at the past, we see something that that's really shameful. The reality is that in our culture, the reason this issue has always been hard to talk about is that 1/3 of the US population has been through this personally. And their opinion on this issue is deeply shaped by that experience, and maybe hardly anything else. If we don't have a view or a representation of a view that says, somebody who's walked through this needs to find to healing and there's a pathway for them to do that in a situation that is safe. And in a situation where they can thrive, and they deserve better than abortion, God's plan for them is better than that is to find healing from that past or any past and deep forgiveness, not emphasizing that message enough, has led to a situation where you have a large group of people who've been through this personally, but haven't ever found healing. And because of that, it's almost like the view that Jesus has on this issue is just feels inaccessible to them, because they haven't felt his grace.