and Shankar vedantam is talking. He says, we've seen how our responses to setbacks can sometimes produce problems that compound the original setback. We can't always control what the world does to us. But in his book, The stoic challenge, philosopher William Irvine says there's a way to change how we respond to the world. In fact, when we look at many successful and well adjusted people, we see them practicing the very skills that could lead all of us to greater peace of mind. Then he turns to his to Gil Irvine and says, In your book, you tell the story of the astronaut Neil Armstrong. He's obviously famous for the moon landing. But you describe another incident involving him. Tell me that story and what lesson you drew from it. And they'll Irvine replies, yeah, in order to be able to land on the moon, they needed a lunar lander, and they needed to practice landing with it. So they did that on Earth. On multiple occasions, you would hover above the ground, maybe a few 100 feet. Very, very difficult vehicle to pilot. It's likened to try to trying to balance a dinner plate on the end of a broom handle. On one of the times they were testing it, Neil Armstrong headed up in the valve stuck in one of the thrusters, and the whole thing started tipping over sideways. When it became approximately a 90 degree angle, tipping over, he being a trained pilot, hit the ejector button blew off the lander and his parachute automatically opened, he drifted down safely to Earth. Meanwhile, the lander crashed into a big fireball. He had done no harm to himself physically. Other than I think he did his tongue when he hit the ground. So later on, he was back at the office complex filling out paperwork. As you can imagine, someone would have to do after crashing a lunar lander and fellow astronaut Alan Bean came along and saw him working their LNB and hadn't heard anything about any of this, but saw him working there and stuck his head in the office and said, Hey, Neil, are things going, you'll said, Hey, fine. So Alan being went on to talk to another astronaut and the other astronauts said, Did you hear what happened this morning? Needle crashed the lander. At that point, Elon Bing went back to Neil Armstrong and said, You crashed the lander. Neil said, oh, yeah, yeah, those are tippy things. And down it went and didn't have another thing to say about it. Astronauts so just imagine this life threatening thing. He went through it behaved like a hero, and didn't even think it was worth mentioning. He just bounced right back as if nothing had happened. And then they play a clip with Neil Armstrong and someone else interviewing him. And he says, that's true. I did. There was work to be done. I'm going to and then his suit. The reporter says you're all Almost killed. And Neil Armstrong says, Oh, but I wasn't. Shankar vedantam says, talk about low drama. And Irvine says, Yeah, talk about no drama. And yet, that's one approach you can take to things. It's history now. So let's move on and figure out what happens next. Then they move on to another story, a 13 year old surfer named Bethany Hamilton.