43 | Drarry Deep Dive #3: The Trope Edition (Draco Malfoy/Harry Potter)
4:00AM Jun 19, 2023
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Welcome back to Care of Magical shippers podcast, a Harry Potter ship culture podcast, and I am max.
And I for the more zealous among you, Mason, you know this already, you know that we're Max and Nathan. But every time we introduce ourselves where like, maybe somebody new is listening to this. And so three of our Drarry fast. And this is the first introduction to our particular brand of crazy. So yeah, my My name is Nathan, and that's who I am. And I'm also your worst nightmare.
That is, I always think about that. It's like, okay, it's always interesting to think like, what listeners first like episode is like, what is their introduction to us? And then what does that mean, for us? And like how we like how we're represented to somebody like, yeah, they go in to like later episodes when we're just like, okay, or, like our filters are completely gone. And we go back to earlier ones when we're very like, you know, dynamic. Yeah.
Yeah. Well, there we go. No, I'm already being really loud. So that binos my resolution. Yeah,
yeah. And David was talking earlier about how he's gonna be so chilled today and it's already
Yeah, it just collapsed like a damp souffle anyway. Yeah. I feel good damp souffle. Today, Mags. I am I'm boiling. And it's, it's me. I don't know how we're gonna get through the summer months. Whenever we have to, you know, and like I said to you, before we started recording, I'm gonna have to keep the windows closed. Otherwise, all you hear is the bush of traffic going past the main road today, in my infinite wisdom lives live next to doing this podcast, but like, yeah, if this is your first introduction to us as a podcasting team, I am sorry, because I melt it.
So we're really excited to be back again, with more dreary, because obviously, as you know, most of you would know Last episode, we just reached a point where we're like, holy crap, we're not done like we were no way we're done. Like we said, it would easily easy to be doing a dreary podcast exclusively, but we're just gonna have we're gonna play around with them for a little bit longer, just because there's so much fun before we get back into dancing around to who knows where with who knows who so
we don't even know. We never know. It's a it's like a shipping tombola, you know, we pick people out at random? And it's like, yeah, sure, that'll work. Let's do an episode on. Oh, but before we do that, we should talk about Drarry. And what I'm particularly excited about this week, is that we're going to be talking Drarry tropes. And the whole reason this came about, as you so astutely pointed out makes is that last time, I got really excited. I was like, Wait, but we haven't even talked about like things like A/B/O yet, and I really want to, I really want to do that. And we get to do that today, which I'm very excited about. Yeah, there's more to say, of course, about all of this stuff, generally. But do you like mags, do you want to kick off, like talk like as an overview, talking about some of the things that you want to cover trope wise, like, what are your favorites?
Um, so I mean, so we kind of, I think we like we touched on a lot of, you know, some of like the the favorite most common as far as like cannon influenced tropes, like like eighth year or you know, like Draco's. redemption and you know, things like that and the reasons why they would be brought together or, but also like aura partners is definitely one that's super popular is that like forced proximity of having to like, work together and going either very poorly and then very good or from the beginning is actually, you know, great or whatnot, but it's just it's fun to see them in, like intense situations and how they have to, like learn to trust and rely on each other, which is a big deal when it comes to like, if you're going to have a partner, especially in law enforcement, like you're going to need to trust them. So it's like following their journey of how they can reach the point of being able to rely on one another. Yeah, the thing that I also really love is like the idea of I think we probably because it might just be the aura partners trope because I think that we talked about it at also during a Ron pansy I think we discussed them in an aura partner situation
we may have. I just love that that concept.
And I because then we got into like Mr. And Mrs. Smith, which also I'm also here for Terry. Yes, that also sounds awesome as
Mr. and Mr. Malfoy Yes, exactly.
And, but no, but I love the like not for obviously the character involved, that gets hurt, but I love one one of them gets like injured or attacked or something like that. And then that's what triggers like their partner to realize that the depth of their feelings, you know, for the other person,
have you ever spoken to a therapist about this? I dropped my headphones. I thought made me laugh. So so I just thought so hot that my headphones fell off.
And now I'm choking.
I mean, there's definitely plenty of things to talk about with
all your therapy listener with you know, this is where I have to put in a disclaimer of like, kind of magical shippers, it's not a substitute for actual therapy.
Exactly, a supplement to your, you know, regular licensed official mental health support, you know,
we, we are here for you and we ship you 100% is our point. And our entire ethos is just to give you a little bit of a giggle and and your help your metaphorical headphones just fall off. Just feel the weight leaving your skull. Yes, indeed. We sang before Are you
or are partners. Yeah, loving when someone gets hurt?
Yeah, yeah. And then I'm sad. Hmm. So, so why do you So is it just like a conflict resolution thing? Or is it like, what is it about?
I think the biggest thing is like when you're put in a situation where like, you know, like it like most like say, in this situation, it would be Harry that got hurt. So then Drake was the one who all of a sudden realizes he has feelings for Harry because Harry got hurt. When you have this wall up, you know, like you have this this wall that you're trying to protect yourself from emotionally or, you know, becoming vulnerable with the other person all of a sudden to have something traumatic or really dramatic happen that you can't even consider thinking about putting that wall in place and all of a sudden you just have that emotional response like automatically like you're you're you're no longer calm and collected. You're literally just responding obviously, there's plenty of circumstances that the other character could be surprisingly calm and collected but they know that that's what they need to be for the other person because they're having a hard time exhaust so yeah, but I just anything that can just get them to realize that they've been fighting this for a long time. And now they need to own up to it, especially if you're in a circumstance of either it was a life or death like near death situation. And you're like, what would I do if I no longer had this person, you know, in my life, so it's just, you know, you only live what sort of thing of like fine you know, I I'm in love with Harry Potter. So what like
it's essentially the author brute forcing the relationship through trauma, which there's, there's a kind of poetry to that because it cuts out all of the what might otherwise be the slow burn or the build up, right? So you say to them, realizing that one of them has feelings for the other. So it's essentially going You know, by forcing a crisis Yeah. to then get you to question what you value and when that is Harry Potter being like, what is my father going thinking about this?
Oh, gosh was like okay, I had something and great of course it just like flew away. Oh, I also an on the on the other flip side of the coin then there's also where they're like especially if it's like you know like I love healer Draco we talked about that before to like say Harry's always getting hurt and so he's always showing up at the hospital and Drago is just like, oh my gosh, like when is it not going to be you when I call you know, clock in and you know that day like I'm just like, seriously, it's always you. So at first it's his very like, he's, like, completely desensitized to it and obviously doesn't have any sort of like feelings or empathy or sympathy for Harry Potter at this point. So it's like how do you get from him seeing Harry at his worse and worse and not caring about that, but then eventually getting to the point where it does so it's like what what happens that could change someone's point of view of being desensitized to all of a sudden, really caring about, you know, someone in that situation.
And there's such a potential for humor in that moment as well. Like I could see Draco just looking at him and going I thought you were supposed to be the boy who lived not the boy who like nearly escapes death in perpetuity does the boy who have has catastrophes just not have the same ring?
Oh boy who lived again and again and again and again. What is it there's this is actually a fun story for you know, here I go adding scenarios.
Episode like 13 The next day you go dummy.
The Boy Who Lived a lot, which is what it reminds me of, it's where like, all from when he first starts at Hogwarts. Like every year, there's some sort of really dramatic traumatic event that Harry ends up dying from. So then Severus has to like has a time turner and has to go back in time to like, change things. So that each you know, so it's him literally going through canonical things. And the reasons why those canonical things happened were because of like self versus orchestration to keep Harry safe. It's really fascinating. It's really well done. So that's a fun. So that's like, obviously a him seeing him as like this bird himself. You know, the student that despises to eventually Harry figuring out that he's, like, carrot like has something to do with his well being and, you know, obviously, things start getting complicated stuff like that. But yeah, yeah, so that's a fun thing where it's literally like okay, so Harry literally keeps dying so that it's like you Dumbledore, it's like, you have to keep this kid alive because he needs to be alive to do his, you know, his eventual job and Harry, just like, what is the one of the big ones so obviously, like spoilers for this story, but in his second year, Ron's wand, which we know is broken. Yeah. Like, like, obviously, magic isn't done well. So it's like, he does a spell and it backfires. And it hits Harry, and it literally, like explodes his heart or something. And so then, literally, Severus is trying to like, like, like, petition to the board being like, we need to buy Weasley a new one. Like he is a he is like a, like a menace to society and obviously, but he can't tell them why because no one else knows what he's doing. Like, he can't say, oh, I literally just went back in time because he killed Harry Potter.
Like, he can't say that. They're like, well,
we can't show any special, you know, like privileges to certain whatever and, and his family doesn't agree or something like that. Because he, you know, he got into trouble. So he deserves what he gets out. He's like, Yeah, but it's at the expense of literally all the other students like so what punishing him is literally causing mayhem and destruction for everyone else. So it's like, it's always fun when things in canon are like, just seen as they're like, they're like muted, you know, it's just like, oh, he happens to have a wand that you know, doesn't work properly. Like yeah, there's an opportunity for the one to do some really dangerous things because it is a broken magical instrument. So people are so brilliant like fanfiction writers and everything like that. Like it's just so fun. That you're just like, wow, you read that one thing or this one thing? And then you were able to like, take it past that and make it way more interesting.
Exactly. And yeah, and get really creative with it. And so and I love authors for that I love the sort of the dynamism of that imaginative drive. But also what what I'm particularly enjoying and Patreon listeners will be able to get this from Nexus face is the sheer amount of excitement in the delivery of you saying, Oh, here's a really fun thing. Harry's dead
Oh, yeah. Um, yes. I love drama and trauma. And when it's all fun, it's fun in fiction, so you know, like I would, you know, I wouldn't wish that upon real.
But I wouldn't put it exploring it in fiction allows you room to navigate complex feelings and or just have fun with some K
definitely have a hard time with like, what is it major character death, like the MCD warning or whatever, like, especially when it's something that it's a romantic build up, and then all of a sudden, I know that it's really gonna destroy me, like, if the dead is temporary, or like, you know, yeah. Oh, man, I have a hard time with that I can read a lot of stuff, but that I'm just like, when it's a motion, when I get emotionally invested in something to I don't want to be hurt like that. I want everyone to be you know, happy at the end when it's like a romantic, you know, focused stories. So,
exactly. And with Drarry You know, these boys have been through enough. I do like the idea of them both ending up together as ghosts. I don't know if we've talked about this. If they die in the line of duty or whatever, then obviously, in the afterlife, though, you know, Malfoy doesn't have any ties to his lineage anymore. He's free to be who he wants to be. And Harry is like, no longer burdened with the, the, you know, saddled by the label of being the chosen one because he's done his sacrifice. He's, you know, laid down to protect the good of the wizarding world. And then so then in the afterlife, they can just be a couple and live their best lives together. And that there's something really wholesome to me about that, like that is definitely something that I like, Yeah, I agree with you that like major character death really only works for me if the death isn't permanent, or if the or if the suffering isn't permanent. I should say that if the if there's some resolution to it, because to like I understand sometimes authors want to write things that really get into the you know, the painful you know, deep deep hurt of things but for me personally, life is painful enough and so when I whenever I read fanfiction, I want to get away from all of that and so like I'm fine with a with a like a blunt force trauma or or something, but like have it resolved to to something lovely at the end please. Thank you all in advance because cuz I cuz there's some brilliant like her stuff. And, and really dark things that are written that are just so exquisitely done. And the reason it's so soul rending and so difficult to get through is because you're invested because it's well written. So it's a it's a you know, a Katherine we'll have knives and fire
yeah, I've definitely read a fair share. I mean, a lot of times it comes down to like I read it on accident because obviously authors have the opportunity to choose not to warn you know, and avoid all of the archive warnings and things like that. So really, it's on me it's not their fault. It's my fault. But when I've been burned like I had I won't say the name of the story so if anyone is curious about it and want are interested in it, want to read it, I'll let you know but I wouldn't want to you know, spoil this. Yes, that author But literally, there's a story where we it's so long, it's a really long story build up of you know, Harry and Draco's relationship and then ultimately at the end, Draco sacrifices himself in Harry's place at the final battle and I've just literally like, Are you fucking kidding me? Like,
like, I'm like, I literally probably sat
through, like two 100,000 words of their beautiful, like blossoming of their relationship and then all of a sudden, wow, that was really, really hard. And then it was like epilogue was Harry and his, you know, life with his, like other partners and stuff and I'm just like this. No this taro
Oh, awful. Oh yeah, that's difficult and I'm sure the author, yeah, I'm sure the author does an amazing job of the story. Otherwise you wish you wouldn't have read through 200,000 words a bit like, I'm sure that they're doing an amazing job. And this is not to alter to be clear, like, we love you, this is not taking away from anything from your story, but just because of the the emotional upheaval that that brings about in people or can bring about and people were just like, oh, you know, I like to think that there is some sort of, you know, resolution at the end of these things and to, to not have that feels what leaves me in a, in a place where I'm not sure where up and down already. You know, and so some, like, I can definitely read dark flick, but I need to be in a good place first, to, to read that. And more often than not, like, life as a queer person is is difficult. Life as a disabled person is difficult. sandwiching both of those together and like sometimes getting through the week is just tough ask. I'm fine listener, I'm not in any
way want to read about the torment of someone else for life of someone else?
Yeah, give me Nicolas DMZ, poor pingtan angsting for being human again, you know, all of the things that he can't do now he's in his ghostly, semi permeable form semi permeable, so let's just skate past it. Drarry is the subject to detect. Specific days, pod. So let's pivot straight back to that.
There definitely is a lot of like, hurt comfort or that angst that you think you're gonna get out of, and then all of a sudden, you don't and then there's plenty of stories where even though there's technically a happy ending, you've been through like, you're literally have been put through a meat grinder like to get to that point that even that happily ever after, isn't enough. Like, you're still like, I'm like, I believe this like, it is. It is definitely amazing. When, like, people are able to make us feel so deeply in every edge of the spectrum from like being overwhelming fluff, where you're just like, literally in pain on how adorable and cute and wonderful everything is going to like why is everything bad? Fix this, fix this fix this, please fix this sort of thing? Because, you know, but yeah, so. But yeah, so. So we'll move on from that, that sad shit.
Just before we do, can I checked a couple of minutes of Real Talk into this just quickly. I think part of the reason that that the Draco sacrificing himself for Harry or Harry sacrificing himself for Draco, Ark doesn't satisfy me as much is that just that I personally have a bit of a hard time reading queered narratives that end in such a tragic way. Because we as a community already have to, you know, navigate all of this extra baggage from from society. And I sometimes think some authors and this isn't me flaming at anybody, but I sometimes think some authors make the choice of like, oh, you know, this is gonna be great for exploring my cathartic feelings of grief, or whatever. And, and that's, you know, a bold choice. But I also think what that does is like, I would much rather also an honest in the same sort of way and join narratives that champion the fact that you know, queer love can work polyamory can work things in Europe, and things of that nature. It's, it's, yeah, we've talked
about this before and other things. It's like what's your, your you're drawn to? Obviously, you know, a lot of times to Stories that fulfill something that you wish that you could experience like in real life. And obviously, the last thing you want to do is think, well, I'm going to meet my end at some point. This is definitely the relationship situation that I would love to be.
Yeah, it's not, it isn't scratching that itch. Definitely. But I mean, I get it as well. We're all humans. So we're all mortal. And we all have to contemplate that mortality at some stage. And what better way to do it, I suppose in a complex way than with characters that you're already invested in, and that you care a lot about, so that it will add that sense of at the mic, so that it will add that sense of gravity to, to whatever it is that you're wanting to explore. I mean, I understand it. It's just that I guess I would like us to get to a place where the sorts of writing that we see in queer narratives, you know, it isn't all fatalistic, or, you know, doomed to failure, because, because I get, I want a little bit more hope for my my community. But as I say, this is just my personal opinion.
And there are plenty of stories like that, you know, of course, it's like anything, like, if it's not your cup of tea, it's not your cup of tea, and you don't have to read it. And that, you know, it's totally fine.
You know, kink? Tomahto stuff. Exactly, yes. And so, we are here for all flavors and colors and varieties of the rainbow. And I think the moral of this podcast is, it's okay to want a slice.
I would be curious if any of you do enjoy MCD stories. Tell me why. Like, I'm just like, I'm genuinely interested, like, you know, if that's something that whether it's like you, you like, being, I don't know, like hurt that way. I don't know how else to say it. But, but there is like, I think it's coming up soon, the Harry Potter MCD fest, which actually, it's like, the one requirement for the works is that one of the characters has to die. And it has to be like, you know, permanent death sort of thing. So it's a very dark, you know, fest, but it's really popular. So obviously, people like it, I'm just like, I've, you know, that's that's great. But anyway, on to different, you know, tropes.
Just one last final thought before we, yeah, no, I really, I will move on. I swear, I just one last thing was that maybe there's parallels here with like, the horror genre, you know, the way like, people love to be scared. So they'll go watch scary movies. And then that, you know, the adrenaline builds on that. And it becomes an opportunity to give full vent to those kinds of reactions. So maybe there's something of that in there as well. I don't know, authors getting or authors and readers getting teachers. Yeah.
Why did you write it? Why do you read it? Yeah, exactly.
So yeah, let's, let's shuffle on to our next. Our next point or discussion, what is it that you want to talk about next?
I mean, hey, I brought up a couple different things. What about you? What do you want? What's
me? Well, I think, I think we have to talk about the Omegaverse shaped elephant in the room at this point. So I want to give our listeners some context by saying that I didn't know what the Omegaverse was, until I read effect that you wrote that, I believe, I don't know if I can say this on the main feed. Feel free to bleep this out if this is too explicit. But I think I remember saying to you, it was the most unexpected reaction that I've ever experienced in my life. Exactly. Because so so sometimes, dear listener, and I know that this will be an experience that you resonate with, you won't know that you're into something until someone confronts you with it. And then you're like, oh, yeah, I guess I'm into this. And I guess it works well with Draco and Harry, because we know that they can fulfill a variety of different roles. I mean, you've talked before about Draco tops hairy, fast and, you know, the reversals and the you know, and that the the idea that they're both switches, well, what if we, you know, if we put them in the Omegaverse that kicks this up a notch in the you know, you have one being the sort of the the what's the word the the, the alpha in heat, what is it the rat? Yeah, the the rotting Alpha? Yes, exactly. And then you have one that this was sort of more
but I my Omegaverse. Expert, thank you. I
defer to your The subject matter expertise in this very specific area. Yeah, you must know about it because you write it very well, if I do,
it was and I think I've mentioned this before, it was probably the hardest thing for me to finish and to write because it's just, it's literally so graphically like, oh, it's filthy messy. I just take breaks, I literally would be like sweating and be like, I cannot believe I'm writing this thing. But I was writing it for someone in exchange, and I did really love it. Like, I loved the idea. And this one was a Draco Alba Severus one. So it wasn't even a dreary one. But it definitely could still, you know, fit into that. But I just, I, it was, when I was done, I'm like, I don't know if I could, it was like running a marathon. I just felt so exhausted. When I was finished with that one, it was just so I don't know what it was about it. But it was, it was still a lot of fun. And I definitely read plenty of it. I mean, it's definitely it's definitely a trope that I you know, the theme that I love a lot. I mean, it's very prevalent in like, bl, like, comic comics and stuff like that. Yeah, so that's very popular. And it's always fun, because they'll always do this like, like, you know, bonus chapter of how Omegaverse works in their story, because there's really not, you know, there's there's a couple rules, I guess, quote, unquote, but they can all be broken. And obviously, everyone can build their own narrative, like some people say, like, oh, okay, everyone has their, you know, born like to born genders being that like, you know, your male, but then you also can be an alpha beta and an omega, and then you can be born female, but also be an alpha beta, or an omega. So it's just a matter of, you know, those things. And sometimes Omegas are seen as like, the, you know, the bottom of the barrel, like, the only reason they exist is for literally procreation purposes, sort of thing. So it's, like, the struggles of the Omega in the, you know, elfa run society, but then there's also like, omegas, are, are coveted. And they're like, because of, I mean, it's just like, you see, multiple, you know, directions of like, oh, they can, they are the ones who can carry, you know, the children, so then they are, you know, beloved and everything versus that's all they're good for sort of thing. And, but yeah, and it's definitely a, the reason why this one definitely falls into more like, like dead Dovey territory is because it is often very dubious, and like non consensual from, like, the average, you know, because you're going into, like, Oh, they're going into rut or to heat and then they're caught, like, it's like literally being under the influence of something else. And they're not able to, like, make, like informed decisions. So it's like, it goes into heat, and all of a sudden, that's all they want is to literally, you know, breed with somebody. And same thing for an alpha in a rut. So it's like, either A, they're both happen to be perfectly timed in the same need, or it's like, Oh, I'm just a random omega, that happens to be in the same place as this reading alpha. And then obviously, things happen that they weren't planning on happening. And so it's just so that can be, you know, once again, it's like, your kink is not my kink or whatever, some people are really into that power, you know, imbalances and things like that. But, you know, so it's just, it just depends on how you play with it. But it's definitely very popular for a lot of different reasons. And then plenty people don't like it because of that, which is also valid. So obviously, we're into it. So that's Yeah,
absolutely. You know, we don't require that you're into it, but but we're just aware that this is, you know, a part of the Drarry sphere. And what I like about Omegaverse for them, is that it allows a kind of a primal seems to be tapped into the kind of does away with the need to examine really intense feelings post war or examine a lot of the, you know, psychological machinations of what these characters are going through. Because like you say, when you're, you know, you're just operating off of instinct, and you're responding to certain stimulus, whatever that might be. You're very much just in the zone. And I think the one of the things for these characters, the reason I like that for them, is that it's free in a way it does away with a lot of the baggage that they're often lumped in with, you know, in the in the way we talked about, you know, there being You know, trauma and hurt to do with them in that moment or in that series of moments, however long it is that they don't really have to deal with that. So I Can you still hear me all right as my because my my volume levels have dropped I'm just going to try and
yeah, I'm still sorry about this. Okay. It seems to be seems to be all right now. So. So I'll just I'll go into that last sentence again. So I think one of the reasons I enjoy this for them so much is that that it can sort of act as a way for them to bypass all of that without, you know, it can still exist, potentially in the face
like, but after it happens, then there's the mess that comes after, you know, something happened. So yeah.
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. But I mean, there's obvious reasons why I enjoy it, because I also just enjoy reading filth. And yes, it's really filthy, and it's hot, sweaty, and messy, and very nice. I enjoy that. There's, there's, you know, fluids flying everywhere. It's all good fun. So one
of my, one of my favorite things for their, the dynamic of the two of them is, especially when it's, it could be assumed, like, obviously, at large that Harry is an alpha, just because like, oh boy who lived the one who, Baltimore or whatever, things like that. And then it's not until some sort of situation where, you know, obviously, Draco and Harry are together. And then Harry goes into heat. And he's just like, wait a minute, like, when, like, aren't you and alpha, like, what is going on was, like, didn't understand what was happening in the moment. And then he's like, and at the time, they might hate each other. But Drake goes like, Fuck, I have to like, I can't just leave him here. Like, I can't just whatever and one for the team.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I mean, I love in that moment in Dracos had, he's rationalizing it like, well, I could do the irresponsible thing and just leave. But
yes, yeah, the responsible thing is for me to take care of this omega and
oh, yeah, it's a very, it's a, it's a kind of loving tenderness that is expressed in a very specific way.
Yeah, I think this is where like, like, Omegaverse can be a very great example of dub con. Because of course, like, we can say, in real life, there's consent or there exists but obviously, exalt con is something that's a true a fictional trope where it's like, oh, like, technically, it is still non consent, but it's like, oh, we it's just that gray ish area of, you know, we read it, and we're like, it doesn't feel as bad even though you know, we just we just acknowledge that that's just kind of what that's there's something influencing it in a way that, you know, like, you could still get out of sad situation, but you go along with it anyway, sort of thing. Sure. And, but I also love for them, especially if it happens to be they meet somewhere or like be that a bar or a party or just anywhere or they work together who even knows. And they have their night together. But then the person who was like helping said rather than a person and rut or heat leaves and so then they don't know who they spent the night with. And then either a nice like, surprised they got marked, because that's another thing like kind of that like you're marking your mate, like usually the alpha will like, bite the omega and then you just you obviously belong to set alpha. Yeah. And they're trying to navigate their life of like, I can't mate with anyone else, because I've already made it to someone and I don't even know who it is. So it's like them trying to find one another again. Then of course, we get into like, Oops, what if someone gets pregnant and then they're just, you know, they live their lives not telling the person that they had so then it's like, there's that 10 years later, like, oh, the Harry or Draco have this kid and then eventually realize this, like, Why didn't you tell me that I had a kid it's like, well, why why would I tell Harry Potter that like why would I want you in my life sort of thing. And then there's all that complex stuff. It's just there's so good. There's just so much fun. ridiculousness when it comes to when it comes to Omegaverse. I love it so much.
I know that there's thing about them being such well loved characters as well. is that you can literally take Harry and Draco in any direction you want because there's so like, particularly Harry because we see the books from his perspective and then particularly Draco because he's the like, the rival that Harry has to, like, deal with, you know, we've talked about this in previous episodes, but I, you know, I just feel like, if you were going to delve into em mpreg, you know, I was going to talk about mpreg. We've kind of already done that. But if you're going to do the mpreg stuff, it, it makes perfect sense that you would the Draco would be a vela or part of Rila and then be dealing with like, mpreg stuff, because, you know, it's because it's hurry and you're one of these two people ever not been complicated. You know, it feels it seems legit.
Yeah, I didn't even think about that. Vila Draco is a really popular trope, too, because of course, it's like, oh, like, you know, fair skinned blonde hair. Like Fleur is like, whatever, some teeny tiny bit of Vela. And then same thing like maybe it's like, through the Malfoys. Like if they're like, Oh, the blonde lineage or sometimes it's like it's Narcissa gets the like Vela the reason why she's blonde in comparison to like her sisters and things like that was that she inherited? You know, the like dormant right? Yeah. Viola heritage or whatever. And then the recessive gene. Yeah, exactly. And so then Drake was like, oh, but I'm a male Vela. But also but have like, kind of like that. That Omega type thing like you're still looking for. You know your mate in that and that's where I really, we talked about in the travel episode. There was that one? Vela Draco fics where it was like he ended up imprinting on Neville. And it was like, that was a really fun Viola Draco. I liked that one a lot. So that was that's always fun to see. Draco dealing with him. You know going through whatever Vela he's I guess you could say. Very close. It's very close to you know Omegaverse In that sense, it's just like the Harry Potter version I guess you could say
yeah, yeah. Also very popular are werewolf Draco when book six vampire Draco from book six, because he's, you know, we've skirted over these in previous episodes. But it's it seems to be very popular to just make Draco into whatever vehicle he needs to be for Harry to have some sort of supernatural experience with a creature or with a part creature at some stage and Dragon is so dramatic and so extra that it works well because then maybe Draco doesn't even know that he is whatever it is that he happens to be, but then some by some quirk of a potion, alternative events, you know, things are exposed and and Draco is just like well now obviously I clearly have no choice but to seek out Harry.
Yeah, absolutely. Exactly.
And I love that meta um, there's like a meta article or even just like a kind of a deep dive into the whole Draco being a werewolf thing about how like, oh, when obviously he was recruited into the Death Eaters and or at least given a task from Lord Voldemort and part of obviously the crew, because there's plenty of them that are like the snatchers and things like that and even like Fenrir isn't they aren't Death Eaters. They weren't given the marks but they're still you know, Baltimore's henchmen. Yeah. Yeah. So playing off of like, when Draco is hiding his arm, you know, like, like Harry of course assumes that it's the dark mark but really it's like a violent bite from Fenrir because we it also goes into how like he would use Fenrir to like get back at people who defied him by turning their children Yeah, so with with Lucius Malfoy fucking things up, like they said, like, Oh, what if Draco was literally turned into a werewolf. So, there's, there's that him having to live with that. And then I also love like, you know, him having to rely on someone like Remus, you know, like, could be another like person that he ends up like going to after like finding out, you know, some sort of situation like that. And then Harry not understanding why Remus and Draco have some sort of relationship and is really, you know, jealous of that or like angry about it because he just obviously can't understand. So okay, you got you got thoughts you got?
Yeah, I got I have a thought that I'd never had before. So you know, the way those like Snarry What if those drooping?
Oh, yes, I've definitely read that too. With werewolf NISS between them Yes, drooping.
Okay, I now need I'm gonna need a drooping episode. I didn't know that I needed this until we just until I just like because you were describing like Harry not understanding why the two of them were spending time together obviously also within the context of this one, it makes sense that then eventually those obstacles are overcome and you know, how he uses it as a sort of a mechanism to get closer to Draco. But I Draco is a dynamic character and can basically depending on how you characterize Draco, you can sort of he's a he's a fifth of February when that blows in that.
Yeah, cause was as a little like teeny tiny drip and bit when it comes to droop and for me that I've like read and things it's like Draco trying to connect with something like familial like actually being present in like Teddy's life like say, Lupin survives, but Tonks doesn't. And so then it's like, oh, he's kind of like cousin, uncle, whatever, to Teddy and that's something that he and Harry have to like, navigate together and so that either can lead to obviously Draco Remus, or also a dreary situation of like, How can I you know, trusting him through his gods, you know, the b b, that it's still canon where Teddy's parents are gone and then Teddy is a part of Harry's life significantly and then discovers that he's also has a connection with Draco because obviously, Teddy still of the black line, and Narcissa wants to reconnect with her sister that's still living, you know, sort of thing. So I love that to have any opportunity that we can see. Like a very like vulnerability and Draco or like a very caring and like, like for Harry to walk in and see Draco playing with a toddler like has to be the most bizarre thing. Yeah, Harry to experience so.
Yeah, Harry, like canonically has a hard time conceptualizing things that he doesn't immediately don't like. I think it it took him a while to sort of get his head around Ron and Hermione as a couple. Right as the books you know, there is he's just a little bit oblivious. So whenever authors get to play without with Draco Yeah, that that's a lot of fun. I mean, we haven't even talked yet. We're, like 48 minutes into this episode. We haven't even talked about body swap fairy. Oh, my
God, body swap and soulmates. Okay, so for sure those two we're gonna we're gonna get to those two but yeah, so Oh, body swap is great. I just that one is so much fun, especially for for rivals and things like we talked about one of those stories in our Flintwood episode. That was awesome to to see Oliver and Flynn swapping body yeah, Draco and Harry oh my gosh, like from the aspect of like, having to, like live their life and their their point of view of what they think we talked about this and dribble to have like them assuming what their life is, like, you know, like, they have this assumption of how their life is LED. And then when they're actually put in their shoes, they realize like Harry's doesn't, like isn't doesn't like being worshipped or you know, isn't looking to get like glory or, or being followed or anything like that, or Draco isn't like actually he's he's actually putting on a front to be stronger than he actually is. And just like the other people he interacts with, and it's just so fun to explore them discovering, on accident, like more about the other person that they would never have otherwise, like, understood without living it for themselves.
Yeah, yeah. And it's this thing of, I love, particularly the image of Harry as Draco being in Malfoy Manor and having to realize like, all of the the perils and pitfalls of what life is like for Draco, because, you know, we see, you know, this spiteful, vindictive, arrogant, cruel boy, you know, making poor choices at Hogwarts, but that, you know, the instant empathy that you have to have, whenever Harry goes and sees his home life and goes, Oh, this is like, he's living under tyranny here, you know, this is an or even if Narcissa is you know, and she usually is the sort of Kinder or kindly a parent, there is usually some form of like, stifled home upbringing and best and drama inducing nightmarish stuff at worst. So the fact that they so this, the whole body swap trope can range from dealing with extreme trauma to being except exceedingly silly, and just, you know, be a conceit for this idea that the the, you know, thing have to kiss under a particular piece of mistletoe. You know, like, it's so, like, I love the breath, that it's a trope like that can take and I think it's like, well, we're gonna get into it in a minute anyway, with soulmates but I feel like, I enjoy an author who will embrace the idea that these two are somehow destined to be together. And like really lean into that idea of destiny with a capital D, like they're making it elevated and they are, like throwing themselves at that concept.
Okay, so you also melds kind of the two together. I love what is it like the Groundhog's Day trope of like living the same day or whatever, over and over again until you get it? Right. So I love like, I mean any ship, but there's a lot of really good Drarry out there of those where, you know, usually Harry is the one that's like reliving the day, and is slowly realizing that Malfoy isn't as terrible as he is, and be that postwar or whatever. So it's like, and he realizes that some days, he just gives no shits, because he knows tomorrow's going to be starting over. And anyway, so either things go really bad, like things really explode between them, or it becomes very, like, you know, it's finally when they come together intimately or something. And then the next day, it's like Harry's, like Oh, shit, but obviously Draco doesn't remember any of that they're back to square one. So those are always fun of them. Or, like, no matter what, like, are alternate timelines, like no matter what the timeline is, or, or anything that happens, they always find each other sort of thing. Yeah. So a fun one, too. So there's, that's always that's always great.
Yeah, yeah. And I really, and that feat, the alternate timelines thing also feeds into, like, au and crossover stuff, where it's like, even in another universe with an entirely different set of physics, or an entirely magical universe, or, you know, or Muggle coffee shop, they're still meant to be together. Because that because it's this thing that like that their love for each other, or their soul bond, or whatever it is, is, like more powerful than the universe itself. It reminds me actually of whenever, like, in so slightly, this might seem like it's slightly off topic, but I swear it's relevant. In Star Trek Deep Space Nine when Klingons marry, there's this idea that the love between the two Klingons was so powerful that they killed their own gods and it really it's that sort of idea. Where it's like our love together as more powerful than the entire university guy.
Yes, yeah. Oh, what was I gonna say? Taking it? Over talking before before the soulmates
oh, I love when it's like say there's like alternate, you know, reality like, either. Yeah, they end up in an alternate universe for whatever reason, like coming from standard, you know, Canon or whatever thrown into something else. Like, for example, all of a sudden, Harry is a barista and a Muggle, you know, coffee shop or something like that. And then he meets Draco in another situation of like, obviously, their lives are significantly different. And Harry retains all of his memories of his old life, but as in this new one, and Draco has never met him before, you know, sort of thing. So it's like him trying to like, you know, and he's like, maybe the first person he recognizes from his old life, so it's like he clings to Draco and Drake was just like, Who the heck is this guy? Like, why are you so obsessed with me? Like?
No, seriously, seriously, like,
he's just, but then he gets to know a different side of Draco because he doesn't, they don't have that. This is like them getting to know each other without the rivalry that got set into stone at 11 years old, you know, so I really liked that too. When it's like something happens, someone retains their memories and has and that affects obviously, their choices and what they do and the other person doesn't. So that's kind of want to read one of those now, if any recommendations please send me a link because I need that right now. Apparently.
So So I'm having a silly moment and in my selima I said whenever you said like, when Draco is like, why are you so obsessed with me? I have now the image and I really need this please, if anyone wants to write this, I will be so grateful. I have the image in my head of like a Mean Girls are you Where were you know Drake who is writing in his burn books like Harry Potter is a fugly slept?
Oh my do not trust him. Oh my gosh. Oh, that's so good. Yeah, any sort of dramatic, like high school or university AU is super fun to like, that's just with all those characters. It's just because you always have the like, you know, the enemies, the bullies, the popular people, the, you know, whatever. So, yeah, that, you know, because, like with those kinds of situations, usually it's, you know, obviously, either Harry's super popular or Draco being from money and has, you know, means and things. So he's popular because of that. So, a lot of his relationships aren't genuine, like, people are literally into him because of his money. And then there's Harry, who comes from nothing, and he's just nothing special. But then he's the one that finally sees and treats Draco like a human and not like, you know, a like bag of cash sort of thing.
Yeah, I definitely it's it's amazing how before I was I was so very set in the reason why I read Harry Potter and read and write Harry Potter fanfiction is because of the wizarding world. And then it's like, oh, I got to know these characters and invested in them from a fanfiction sense. And then seeing them in alternate universes, like u and v had talked about, like, there's just, you know, a use and crossovers, it's just, it can be so fun to explore them elsewhere for different reasons of being like, yeah, that sounds great for Harry and Draco to be, you know, at university together or in high school or like, you know, so that's, yeah, that I really lost that I really enjoy.
Like, I like just from my point of view, I really like the idea of Draco the cheerleader, there's something about that, that, you know, image with the pom poms and just, you know, being at the top of the human pyramid, or whatever it is, it's just so it's like, in a strange way, it's really adorable and I, and it releases the character from a lot of like, maybe, you know, maybe this is me just in a very roundabout way wanting that Draco redemption arc of releasing him from all of his emotional and moral turpitude, just to be like, just put them on top of a human pyramid, he'll be fine. Oh, there's something in me just really likes the cuteness of that image. And then of course, in that scenario, Harry is the jock who then Drake who was trying to woo or or vice versa. And it's, it's a strange,
prom queen Draco.
It's a strange, sort of quasi fantasy for me to entertain because of course in in Britain, we don't have prom culture. And we don't have the sort of cheerleaders and jocks and whatever. So anything that I am referencing, it's just purely based on on my consumption of American pop culture and American TV and film and what have you bought? You know, I've seen Sabrina absolutely
Yeah, totally. I mean, I treat these films and TV shows as documentaries, you know, very much.
From the academic point of view of your brain, you have your notepad and you're like, Ah, yes. Studying American culture.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's, it's totally true to life, right? I mean, that there are just no cultural tropes that sit outside that for me.
Yeah, it's funny, actually, this weekend, for the first time. I had never watched them. But we watched the the main four movies for American Pie. Did you ever watch?
I think I saw the first one, but it was like years ago. So I like I remember bits and pieces, but I will need to go back and revisit.
I was just like, I mean, just the extremes of like, all the different characterizations was amazing. But also like the cringe factor of like throwing yourself back in high school and being like, oh my gosh, this is how people were or like behaved or whatnot. And it's funny because it's set in Michigan, like it's literally set. I know isn't it crazy? So it's like in all the names of the places it's like a play off of what the actual names are, and it's just really funny and so and then that's another thing that I'm like, Oh my gosh, the these like Hearing a character with like a very Michigan accent. I'm just like, this is just really funny to me. And but yeah, it was bizarre. You watch American Pie, American Pie, whatever American Pie to American wedding, and then American Reunion we watch all four over the weekend. And oh my gosh, I just that was just absolute insanity. And it just was so ridiculous. But it also was very telling of like, the comedy of the time, like of the 2000s sort of thing. And it was just the fact that it was like these four guys having this pact that they were, you know, virgins gonna get laid by, you know, prom night was just, and all the things that went wrong up to that point was just so oh my god, it was so ridiculous. So I love that. So of course, now I'm picturing I'm like, Okay, who would be what characters in whatever situations and like, I mean, it would just be so if we could find.
I mean, what a way to spend a weekend festival. But also, conversely, I mean, this might speak to differences in our sense of humor. But now I can imagine the, you know, in much the same way as American pirates sort of 90s Nostalgia humor. It was the 90s Right? It was like late 90s. Yes,
there. Yes. But like there it was. Their senior year was 9099.
Yeah, that makes sense. Well, the first Austin Powers movie, I believe, also came out in 1999. And I can see a sort of a version of Austin Powers where Harry is is Austin Powers and Draco is Dr. Evil.
Oh my god. I love this. Oh, my God. That is
instead of like Mr. Big girls with the cat, Draco is just stroking a white peacock.
Wow, oh my gosh, I totally forgot about the Austin Powers movies.
Oh, that's such a I mean, obviously, it's comedy of the time. But I just there's such a massive nostalgia,
cringe. It was huge. Like it like to get like to make like all of the stuff that makes you get that secondhand embarrassment or taking things past what you would like think would would be you know, I'm just like, oh my gosh, that's so like, it's funny. But also you're like, at the same time. I'm like, I am so embarrassed for these characters that this is the situation or I know what's going to happen. So I'm literally burying my face in a pillow because I'm like, I can't watch this.
Exactly, exactly. Although I do blame Austin Powers for my early love of poly humor that has continued to this day. It is just that they are masterpieces of a particular kind of time and a moment in cultural history. And I suppose, you know, looking at them now. It's like looking at friends through a lens of now, right? There are problems there. It's not, you know, it isn't an easy watch in some instances, but just for the sake of pure nostalgia and for the sake of in this case, transplanting the characters into something you already know. I mean, putting them into that sort of slapstick situation where Draco is you know, masterminding a will take over from a volcano lair. I mean, I can see it.
Oh my goodness. Oh, so Well, before we wrap things up, I definitely want to focus on soulmates because that is definitely a huge draw for Drarry for sure be that you know, the whatever red string of fate or soul marks that show on your body for whatever reason, or just literally having that destiny for a person that you're not prepared for because I love like, especially for Harry, you know, we have the whole background of him coming from muggles and everything wizarding world related, he is learning later on. And so it could be something where he didn't even know that soulmates was a real thing kind of like he didn't know magic was a real thing. And so then he has to for some reason, he realizes that Draco is you know, that that soulmate for him and it's for both of them to be like no like especially when they try and fight it like I don't care if this is my soulmate. Some people don't end up with their soulmates and are perfectly happy. So it's them trying to create lives without the other person but then obviously, things keep trying to pull them together, which is you know, great. What is it? I think there's a story written on the heart where Draco has Like so they like get cursed or something by someone. And it reveals their soulmates on the skin of, you know, a couple of different people. And for whatever reason, Harry's didn't show up. And I don't know if Ron's didn't or something like that. But it was like, whoever was there when it happened, and Draco was there. And so that's when Perry's name, you know, showed up on his skin. So it was like them, trying to figure out why he had a mark, but Harry did it, you know, sort of thing. So it was like, is it just like a one sided soulmate thing? Or was it a fluke? Is that literally the curse aspect of like him just having, you know? Yeah, so that's a soulmates are just fun. I mean, it's just yeah, because because we get for them. I mean, for the most part, probably 99% of the time, then we know we're going in for that happy ending of them ending up together because they're obviously destined to be together. So when I see the soulmates tag, I'm like, Oh, yay. Like, this is, this will be great. But every once in a while you do come across one where it's literally, like, they either find a way to get it broken, you know, like, sometimes they'll find some sort of, I don't know, I guess, special Wixom that can obviously change their fates. Or, or Yeah, which is very sad. And it's just like, oh, no, and, but
but like, I imagine it'll be like getting a tattoo removed, except with more magical means. Because, you know, the, the cell Mark often takes the physical representation of the of the pairing of cells. So I imagine it would be very painful to try and get your, your soul bond removed. Like, it doesn't just pop would part of you die. It's all very Horcrux it's like, what what's going on with that? Like, oh, that's a bit that's, that's gonna sting. Like another nice way where you've earned it.
Yeah. Because it's like, Oh, what if something? Oh, that's where it's like, kind of like with your soulmate, sometimes there's you, you feel like emotionally what they're feeling or like, even like, physically, if they're in pain, then you're in pain sort of thing. So it's like that direct connection. And maybe at the time, you don't even know who it is. But you're just like, you know that that's what's affecting you. You're like, okay, whoever the heck they are, are obviously dealing with something, you know, really terrible in this moment, sort of thing. But I think I've also read a story, especially with Drarry is the fact that Draco can't accept that Harry would actually want to be with him and that it's it's the reason why he's with him is because of the soul mate bond. And so then he goes about any which way that he can to like break it, because he doesn't want Harry to feel like trapped in it, even though Draco is very much like feels in love with Harry, but he doesn't want Harry to feel like he has to be with him. Because obviously he hates, you know, Draco, why would he want to?
It's because characters don't communicate. Yeah, exactly.
So we'd have classic self deprecating Draco. And so then it finally reaches a point that I think that they actually go through with it, or he changes his mind. And then that's when they finally have the discussion of like, you know what, I don't care if that's true, because this is how I feel like, who cares why I feel this way. Can't we just be happy, you know, so that's it. But I can totally see Draco being like, you would never be in love with me. If it wasn't for some other reason. And then Harry's just like, doesn't matter. Like this is this is our reality. Like, who cares why I love you now you love me? Like let's, you know, let's we're just together.
Exactly, exactly. And I think there's something nice about that, as well with soulmate, Vic is that like it gives substance to these feelings to these deep seated realities of this being a two way partnership or whatever it might happen to be that, you know, we live in a world in the day to day where we're constantly told like, oh, you know, your feelings aren't facts, or you know, that it's a very lofty basis for romance or whatever it might happen to be. And
like, yeah, like not Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
And actually giving it physical form and giving it substance and giving it a bond makes it that much more, irrefutable and tangible and there's like a safety and a security in that as well because it's like, well, no matter what else is happening in the story, we're meant to be together. That's just, you know, I have proof because it's on my butt cheek or whatever, you know,
That's so fun to be like, Where'd what is the? What is the soul mark? And then where does it show up? You know? So like, sometimes it's either like, you know, like a symbol. So it's like your symbol matches another person or the name of your soulmate, you know is on your body, so then you know exactly who they are. And so then, like I've seen, Harry, I think like probably in a dreary, where, you know, Harry and Draco have the same mark, but then Ron and Hermione have different ones. And so then it's like them, even though they're together. Like it's a little, you know, awkward because that's a circumstance where, well, obviously, she's not my soulmate. So this is destined to fail sort of thing. Yeah, so that's, that's another thing of like, say, by, um, sometimes it's like by like, say, 18, when you're 18, your soul mark, you know, shows up, and especially if it's someone that's younger than you, then they may not even know and then you have known for however many years before your soulmate actually comes of age and like, their sign shows up. So it's like, but then what if you're in a relationship with someone else, and you think it's forever, then all of a sudden, you both realize we're not, you know, meant to, you know, be together, and I didn't watch it, but I know it like a Netflix, like, Asian drama, love alarm. So it's like you have like a timer of like, when you're going to meet like your soulmate or something like that. Like I think there's been a couple of difference stories. It's just it's, there's so many ways to play with soulmates and it's just so then it's like, if you have your time, or then you're just going to, I guess, wait around until that time. So I think I've just done a couple of different occasions of that. I feel like there's an American movie that goes off of that, too. Like with a timer. Love thing. If anyone knows what the heck this is, please tell me.
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time. Magical ship pod on Twitter, right? Yeah, I actually got the handle right for once. He's only 44th episode or something. Something
like that. Yeah. 4344, something like that.
It's what we're speaking outside of space and time right now. We'll it'll find it order. We're in the 40s. Anyway, with our episode numbers, which by the way, it's crazy. We've already gone over by a wide margin of the hour that we said we were going to a lot to this episode. And I still feel like there's more to say, surprise surprise listeners who Who among you call this because I was sort of like, what does not seem long enough to talk about everything that we need to talk about. We're now a Drarry podcast, it's just official.
Often make like for these? Yeah, for these episodes, literally like care magical, dreary. Like make a custom logo for these episode. Please
do that. So funny.
Oh, well, is there any other specific trope this time that you wanted to hit on?
Like there's nothing super specific and I think we can wind this one up. And then if you if we hit on anything else, we look, we know also listener that you want us to talk more about the things that you're invested in. So if there's anything that we haven't covered, hit us up in the discord. It's a great way for you to get in touch with ideas. Send us an email, send us a tweet well send next week because I didn't check our Twitter. Like most of the things that that get done with this podcast, it's all Max is like I just, I'm just here to sound pretty and do some sound edits and maybe I occasionally like waft into the discord and then surprise everybody for five minutes.
When you literally just put a message in the announcements channel that was just like, hi, I bet it's it's strange to see my name in here for once. And that's literally all
you Yeah, that was your
announcement. It was just Yeah, it was weird to see my
like, well, I have I have access to this and I've never once used this administrative privilege. So I'm going to I'm going to exercise my right as a A co host of this podcast to say something both innovative and informative. Everyone learns
that was like what was it one of the mods had they had gotten like they had gotten intoxicated decided to take their administrative work and did like some, I think was just literally did like an announcement like an ad everyone like saying how much they loved everybody and things like that. And it was just like, it was really funny. And like, honestly, like they were even like, I don't care if makes takes away my mod, you know, month, whatever, blah, blah, blah. And it was just but it was like it was funny. It was really funny. And that's it was just really funny.
Yeah. See, this is why you should be a member of our Discord because even when we get a little bit frolicsome, we do so in a wholesome way. And you know, it's a space for you to come and either discuss this episode, or just clearly make an announcement to everyone. Not everyone.
It sounds actually very on brand for me. I'm surprised I haven't done something like that before now. Yeah. Because it's very, like something I would do. So I feel like this mod and I share a particular wavelength. I, you know, I have a very strong innate Hufflepuff Ian's streak. And that just every so often it, you know, rears its head and I need everybody to know that I love them dearly. So I definitely am not sorry that this happened to me. You know, I'm not. I'm not recommending to everybody that you know, you go and get married and tell us all about it. But still, you know, it's good to know that sometimes we can be a place for that too.
Absolutely. Oh, well, this was so much fun.
No. You know, I like what wasn't going to say. I also feel like this is how Draco would announce to Heroku that he loves him really that like Hogwarts wide announcement. You know, like the way there's the there's the magical megaphones or whatever I imagined that Draco would get Draco would would break into Sybil to loanees Shari stache, and try and get to try and, you know,
models and stuff in the Room of Requirement when he's in there. So maybe just find some semi still has some in it sort of thing. And like they have their own little party. That's, oh, gosh, that's another great No, here we go. Another thing of like I talked about earlier about there being something that remnant removes that wall or that, you know, that the reason to hold back your feelings, like obviously, if you're under the influence of something, then you're more apt to like say and do things that you wouldn't otherwise do under like your, you know, standard frame of thinking so like Draco either getting, you know, drunk at a party and actually confessing like probably in still like a really snarky snooty way, like how attractive he finds Harry and how annoyed that he's like, you know, or whatever. Like, I just I love that too, for them is just that surprise. Like, even though I've said that I hate you all this time, actually, I'm really into you sort of thing. And so
that's always fun. Yeah. And, like, it's, I think it's clear from how long that we've talked about this that we owe very into this as well. So we could easily we could easily go long. And I like tell us listeners what you want us to talk about. We know there's more. I am at this point. I don't really this is gonna sound a bit callous or something. But I don't really care what we talk about. Like I just, I just have a fun time. Yes, with you in front of the microphone. Like being good being shippi friends with each other. And I know that the listeners love this too. So just whatever it is, like do you want us to talk about like, cultural differences between Britain and America? Yeah.
All right. Well, I think that's it for This time,
I think so I think we said that like three times, but I think we tend to make good on the threat now.
Thanks for sticking with us this whole time. Hope you enjoyed at least all three of these dreary episodes, I'd assume this is probably we'll probably move on to something else not to say that we won't come back to Drarry because it'd be easy to do. But yeah, we hope you love this little dreary, you know, series of episodes. I know. We had a lot of fun. So yeah,
yeah, I absolutely loved putting these together. And I think because we've known we've wanted to do it for a while to then finally like unleash ourselves upon it was was very satisfying. And, yeah, let's like get in touch, like I said about anything and everything. And in the meantime, we see you, we love you. We respect you. And we will see you in the next one. I already said see you. I'm not very slick at this. We're only like 40 Odd episodes in i We know I'm not even going to say goodbye right in a separate us and yet you're still sticking with me. That's how much you love me. So I need you know that I appreciate that. Thank you from the heart of my bottom.