Okay, so this is our Okay, so this is the official member. Yep. Yeah, once we have an agenda, I invited Robbie, but I think he's still dealing with this issue.
We have Christmas here so.
Okay
okay, I was four on the fourth. So I gotta retype it anyways. Okay, so Chris, we got on to approve minutes from previous general meeting and post the November 9 General Meeting. Also, because that was an up, not up yet. And so we're gonna post these minutes here after we were scheduled. So this is a reschedule Thank you forum now, the bylaw review. So if we want to go back to the bylaws, or we want to post whatever we've done so far, at least on our website, we can at least get those approved at the next general meeting. Yeah, we'll probably need more bylaw review time. So we're also going to be taking that final vote on the free Palestine focus campaign.
Yeah. Okay.
We should probably set some sort of timeline on it. And sort of like the normal six. Because who knows if it'll be gone for six? The review of the teaching or review of the teaching, so we'll have done the teaching at that point. So we're just going to review our what? Any learnings from it?
That's the 27th. Right.
Is that the Saturday? Yeah, yeah. Okay. Focus campaign. So we'll have done a canvassing, I think at least by then, yes.
I think we have one before and one after one canvassing? Yeah.
I find that part just because we were supposed to do that.
Yeah, we can try again.
The bylaws. The bylaws, say anything about steering holding focus campaign positions to or did not okay, cool.
Well, I mean, like, it's, the coordinator is supposed to like, yeah, he's supposed to, like, lead it before there's like leaders elected, and then you're supposed to transition over to those leaders.
Yeah. And I'm supposed to work with them. So yeah. Okay. But if
it is you, you're working with yourself. So
there's me and then they're sleep deprived me. Free Palestine, yourself. Maybe some of the new folks that join will be willing to be leadership for it. We have to nominate someone I think,
well, I mean, I mean, I I Boswell might be a good candidate for that. Yeah.
I was brought up the Delta podcast, to nine, something old is a Delta College podcast. And there's also like a two nine something podcast, and one of them is actually put on by the mayor. I forget which one or whatever he was interviewed by. So we're probably not gonna get on that one. So tabling a delta, we should schedule these, we do have to send a letter ahead of time, so we should look over the letter. We can also just, I guess, sneak on put on fires and random places if we want.
So we need a flyer for that. Yeah. Yeah. And
then we have the ABCs presentation. So we, since we do have a couple of new members, and hopefully we can get some more new people before this meeting, since you're gonna have the teaching and everything, which is scheduled days for just redoing the ABCs presentation that we had before. So we have the PowerPoint already prepared. But just presenting it more as like, we're present like a seminar or webinar instead of Oh, yeah. Because no one wants. People see the word read and they're like, I am doing this. I can. And then we have paulose items that we're still not done at the end of the last meeting.
And then in on, oh, yeah, right. Yeah.
And then I think just announcing the process Like announcing a discussion of the process, there's already a thread. But if we have time, we can talk about it. If not, we can just announce that we're talking about another thread. And then hopefully, like in a month or so we can have something hashed out. That's like a formal process. But that's for like, the strict the strict stuff that like has to go. Like figuring out what has to go to the membership and what can go to like, the membership committee and their subcommittees. Yeah.
I think I think that, is there. There's nothing else besides there, right? Do we didn't like think of anything else? In the meantime?
Well, I was hoping we could expand the meeting to like two hours, since it was two hours last time. And then also hold, like, kind of a discussion on what we were talking about yesterday, Riley with Desmond about, you know, a conversation around the dead rituals.
And make clarifying what we mean by that. Yeah, that's probably a good idea.
Like, almost everything on that list was like shit that we've done. I was like, petition did that. Rather than did that
the thing is, like, we also kind of have no choice but to do those things, because they're things that the rest of the left is gonna, like, expect us to do. And also, they're like, at least in the meantime, they're good practice for us just organize things. I think maybe in the longer run, creating new practices, or only using those things in targeted ways will be Yeah,
I mean, they're definitely not your follow. So sorry, you have to definitely not affect I mean, they're really not effective. That effective. And I think our point was to not, that's not the only thing we should be doing. But I think, just broadly, you know, the left is like that. And we stick to like a lot of the same tactics. And like the same theory of change, which doesn't exist, because I mean, it's been like what pushed the Dems left forever now? Like, that's not working. And I think just, like having conversations around, likes on the broader stuff of, and I know, I keep bringing these same three things up. But like, you know, we can't just rebuild the labor movement, and like, say that we'll fix things because we had a strong labor movement, and then got wrecked. And now there's like laws that record further. And so we're trying to get back to a point, climbing a hill, that's much steeper, because of new laws. To get back to a point, they got crushed anyways. Or like trying to do social democracy, when like in the places where it is where they do have social democracy, it's like being dismantled or many slowly. See, so it's like all these things that like, we keep harkening back to like, we should return this time, when it was better. But like, when was that? The I mean, even if there was like a moment of success, like they figured out how to beat us back then. And so like, why do we want to return to a point when we were beat, there's
a I read, I recently have been coming across this over and over again, there's a ton of like, communist and anarchist literature and like, conversations about how capitalism is amazing, like CO opting, and neutralizing all of our tactics. And so we and that forces us to constantly have to innovate and create new things, because all the old stuff, that capital is like, I don't really give a shit about that anymore. I learned how to I have a bulletproof vest against protest,
right? And like, or like, even reshoring, right, like, that's been the newest thing for the left has been like, oh, Biden still good because he wants to like reach for production. And that will lead to more people, like in unions or in factories, or whatever that can be in unions. But even like, they, they might be reshoring, but it's with much fewer people. So like, we're not gonna remake the heyday of like before. And the people were trying to unionize now, like Starbucks and stuff, like we haven't figured out how to franchise or unionize at a franchise, and even Amazon if we do unionize, they'll fucking tear down the warehouse and build it across the street and be like, new shop new union. So like, all that stuff is stuff like we're like the left doesn't have a lot of a lot of these conversations. Because I think once you admit the reality to yourself, things seem super bleak. And it's easier for like you to feel like no, there's no hope for these things. And I think a big problem is like a lot of the content creators online. Like they they produce content that makes leftists like, feel good and feel like there's hope. And so they will keep buying into these things. Some of it like because of their own psychology, but otherwise, because it's it's what people watch, like, no one's gonna watch a YouTube channel where they're like, none of this stuff is gonna work. Yeah, because they don't have and you must be black. We'll write like that, like, because if you admit all these things don't work, then you're gonna end up in a place where you don't have like a real direction to go forward. And like, no one wants to watch that content. But like, that's kind of reality. Have you?
Have you ever seen there's a meme? That's like, it has like a pyramid, right? And it's got like, the blue pill on the bottom, everything's fine in the red pill, or there's something wrong in the black pills, like everything's wrong, and then just like, keeps going up and up and up. Until eventually it's like, nothing matters.
You've reached nirvana. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Say, having a conversation around that. And like, part of that is the tactics like we keep, you know, it's always like, Oh, the civil rights were won because of protests. And like you ignore the role that like, Soviet Union played? And like getting us over it. And then we don't have that now, like, we don't have that outside pressure anymore. So yeah, so it's just like, breaking down the local tactics, but also just the broader strategy. And obviously, we're not going to come out of it with like the solution. But I think getting the conversation rolling, and part of the solution has to be whatever we were doing before to the Democrats, like it has, we have to go nuclear at this point on both parties. Opt
them in the in the nose. Yeah, you're wrong. Stop.
So yeah, so I want to have that, like, I want to save half an hour for that discussion. And just give everyone like, at least three minutes to talk like that is half an hour. Krishna.
So our general meetings are 90 minutes now. Right?
Well, I want to make it 120. Okay, well, I
mean, I'm fine with that. But like,
I think we were also talking last time about record the, the formal, like, business. Yeah. And then add it, add an hour or at 90, turn it off, and then have like, at the end time to like, have a conversation or
do teaching stuff or whatever. Yeah, yeah, great eat or whatever.
But my only concern, I would say, the My only concern with extending is like, because in my instance, like, my girlfriend goes to bed, she has to wake up at 5am. So like, if we're going to hours, I probably have to leave around the 90 minute mark. So the last 30 could be discussion is that? Yeah, I think, Okay, I'm down to try and stay for as long as possible. But some days I won't be able to.
Yeah, it's okay. I often I can't go physically just because like, I get off work so late. So like, I'm right there with you. Yeah.
I think we could probably finish all this in an hour. If we like.
Go through all the the bureaucratic stuff, you mean? Yeah.
Like, I'm sure we won't, but we can try. And then we can also just like, wait and do the discussion thing. Like, at a later date, like we can hold like a social just to talk about that.
We do need to schedule a social. So maybe we should schedule a discussion?
Yeah. You wanted to spend 30 minutes on a failed left? Strategies? Yeah. Okay.
Maybe we should maybe we should reframe that a little bit. Here's what what was done in the past and why we think that it either it's not going to work, or how we should change it. Right. Like something a little more optimistic. Yeah.
Confront reality.
You got the black pill. It's
tiny. I was fine with the topic. I just wanted to have something to contribute and know. Yeah. Because
you always had good should contribute. Yeah,
definitely. creative solutions, I think also is good for local organizing, because it makes people think about stuff they can actually do in their community, rather than being like, well, they're protesting over there, and they're blocking the freeway over there. So we should just be doing that. It's like now there's so many things we could do for people in our area that I think should be discussed. And I don't I don't think we have the discussions I think a lot of leftists just default.
Maybe a maybe instead of maybe like maybe we could have the beginning half of that discussion be about things that are have failed, right? And then like the second half it'd be like a brainstorming strategy for here's what we here's what cool things we could do babies or something. I love that.
That's a great idea. It's very helpful. And I think that's that's my vibe. Try and be optimistic. Yeah,
I didn't mean and the conversation like okay, do you still believe in anything? No. Okay. And the meeting
perfect. No, no, that was exactly what we should have done. This black pill everyone so they go home and stay at
home Before
that, I'm looking at the recording and it actually wasn't that bad. It was about an hour 30 And then some minutes, like six or whatever minutes. Like it wasn't actually bad. It only seemed like two hours because we started late. We started with six something 617 or something. I don't know. Which
Yeah, it was like 745 By the time we ended or something. Yeah, the last meeting. Yeah. Okay, so I mean, because so like, let's just schedule a social where we do this. And so meeting then. Yeah. So we're just like, it won't be an official meeting. We can just go eat brunch summer. I thought lives? Yeah,
although I do. I do think that using like, the end of meetings for discussions or for teaching or whatever is a good idea. I just think that that that particular conversation might be a little don't take more much. Yeah,
first. Yeah. And I think we need like, once we present it, I think people will need time to like, digest it. And then, you know, maybe we can eat, and then come back to it afterwards.
Like,
what other ways can we go?
I was gonna say plus, the other thing is like the bylaw review itself. Are we just telling people about it at this meeting? Or are we actually we're reviewing the biologic potential bylaw changes?
I think we should present them. I mean, I'm still for just waiting until like the next like, there's nothing really that we need need changed. Okay. So I think we should just present that at this meeting, and then vote on and at the next meeting.
I mean, we're voting on at least two of them. Right. It's the core. Yeah.
So the two important ones we've liked knocked out.
Well, we did you post it. I don't remember if you posted on the
No, but we announced it at least. And I think that was like I think it needed to be like announced two weeks before we left in the bylaws now, like the Forum is a way to announce two weeks before. But I think for these we should just because we still have a lot of stuff going on. And like I don't really want to distract people would. Yeah, like bylaw review.
And like, I was like, You're not going to announce all of these things, right?
Because that's, like at the meeting, I think we should present them and then like, ask for if you have immediate cute questions, like ask, but we'll post on the forum. And then like you'll have, we can post these now too, but I think we shouldn't vote on them until March.
Do we? Okay. Do we? Yeah, I was gonna say do we want just like tell people? Hey, we're doing bylaw review. You can read about it on the forum. And we're gonna like hold a vote on it. Yeah. Cheering meeting. Yeah,
I think we should present the changes, like at the meeting. Because it'd be like, if we're not going to vote, but we should.
Okay, I was gonna say, because like that might that one of the reasons I brought it up is because I was thinking that might take a while.
I know, but I don't think we should. We shouldn't leave things like read it on
the forum. Yeah, no, I agree with that.
And yeah, maybe, like maybe for the stuff where we like change words around like the mission statement, we can be like, just brief, just finish the sentence move on. But for some of the stuff, some of the other stuff. I mean, we just announced that I guess, like as just like showing like, we fixed this.
I think the thing that I was wondering about is like whether we we want to say hey, we're we're doing bylaw review, you can read around in the forum, and we'll discuss it at the next meeting, or do you want to discuss them at this meeting and vote on the one after that?
Oh, we should save discussion for form or the next one? Definitely. All right. Okay. I think if anyone wants like, a short clarifying question, sure. But we should cap it at like, three minutes per bylaw. Wait, good luck with that. I know there's like 10 bylaws
is still Yeah, it's still 30 minutes.
Maybe we can say we're not discussing and we're just moving through. Please go to the forum. If you have questions. Yeah. All right. Yeah,
let's Yeah, let's, let's let's do this. Let's announce, say they're on the forum. Like put most of the discussion on the forum. Maybe do like a brief overview at the meeting. And then at the next one, we'll deal with it.
Yeah, we'll just roll through them or just like present them. Yeah. Because like otherwise it's gonna take some time. Yeah. Okay. We got to form campaigns or focus campaigns to talk about and stuff so yeah,
yeah. Cuz I the the, we really need to focus on the tenant union and the and getting the Palestine thing on on rails. Because otherwise, yeah,
Um, oops. Okay. Anything else? No power. No Chris Riley
looks like a pretty full agenda.
Sorry, the full agenda. Alright, adjourning meeting. I'll post this Paulo. I did get your email. Thank you for typing up the minutes. As Robbie she could copy paste, but he was like, nope. So I'll just do it today. Or if you want to post it feel free.
Yeah. Awesome.
Thank you for doing that. And journeying around stopping recording. If I figure out words, we
actually got done a little bit earlier than I thought we were
