unique and that may be something to help out you figure out what you've got
Thank you. Yep
Okay, welcome back everyone. Department of State Do we need a roll call? Yes, sir.
Are you ready for me to roll call? You need to call the meeting back to order at whatever time it is Anthony
will recall this meeting of the Michigan independent citizens redistricting commission back to order at 1:35pm. I'll now turn it to Department of State staff to do a roll call of the commissioners President.
Thank you, sir. Good afternoon, commissioners. This is a continuation from this morning's meeting. So if your physical location has changed, please share that when I call your name. Otherwise stay present. When I call your name for roll calm. I will begin alphabetically with Commissioner Andrade Essen. Mr. Callahan present Commissioner curry present. Commissioner eat
present present.
Commissioner Callum present. Commissioner Lang as Commissioner let's Commissioner Muldoon as a commissioner Orton present commissioners the tele Commissioner Veillette present Commissioner Wagner
Commissioner Weiss present I do see that Commissioner let's camera is on so when he comes back in um I will catch him then Mr. Chair but currently you have 11 commissioners present which means you have a quorum sir.
Thank you, Mr. Yang. appreciate it as always.
Thank you.
Okay, during the break, I think I figured a little bit of this out at least for a few of the different mapping families Mr. Morgan, are you still with us?
Yes.
Okay. We were looking at where we got that we pulled in 374, which is a derivative of 351 that is different than what we were supposed to be looking at. So my mistake there. Let's look at 371 and 376, side by side.
Commissioners Atella since we already looked at 374 and 351, can we just make a decision on naming those? Yeah,
that was going to do that next if we want to do that first. That's fine, too. Do you have any of them up? Already? Mr. Morgan, what's easier for you?
I was trying to adjust to what you're asking. So just tell me what you want me to bring up.
All right. Well, let's look at what do you do have any of them open right now?
344 and 377-370-6374. Okay,
pull up 374 Okay, and let's pull up 351 which was derived from.
So where you have 351 which is 429 version two. And we have 374 which is five nine version two. These both have a four on the VRA chart and they both have the same partisan fairness numbers as well. It looks to me that the only real difference is in districts four and five.
There's some Linkin Park differences in one.
So I believe 374 was the more updated version of this but as their metrically they're the same so I'm wondering if there's a preference do we want to go with 374 Since it's the most updated one
I'd actually just say name on both.
Well, they're they're pretty close to each other. We want to we want both
I think people especially the Asian Pacific population in Canton is probably going to have some opinions about which one of these is preferred. So I wouldn't want to eliminate one or the other.
Same name version one, version two. Like we were talking about.
And we think they're close enough to have this same bird and have it be version one version two. They are based off each other that would make sense to me.
Commissioner Muldoon, do you have an opinion?
Now? That's what I was saying. I don't know if I made it all the way or not.
Okay. All right. So let's do that. We'll do 351 As the version one since it came first and 374 as the version two since it was a revision. Now we just need a bird. How about Raven,
that's awfully negative.
You give me like Starling. Pharaoh Sparrow.
Starling that works for me.
So just so we're clear for the Department of State. We have 351 as Starling v one and 374 a starling v two
noded
Okay, let's go ahead and close those.
Now let's head back to 371 and 376.
So these are derivatives of each other. What is interesting here is even though they look pretty much the same, the one on the left 371 has a four under the for the VRA analysis while somehow the one on the right is only scored at a three
and this was the one that commissioners Callum and Muldoon were working on together. So I think we should go ahead and name 371 tire they both also are the same under the VRA analysis. Could you highlight the differences between the two John
Mr Chair, yeah, excuse me, please. Just want to acknowledge that Commissioner let has joined back with us. So you now have 12 commissioners present.
Thank you. Well,
I don't I don't know that the maps are different. I think I may want to look at the auto bound.
Yeah, I think it's area in Lincoln Park. Commissioner column.
Oh, it's gonna say yes, it's just like one that makes a slight difference. And my preference would be to name 371.
Okay, so you said it's one way to skip things. Right? Five eight version 459 Version four.
So these these are the data points 458 version four.
And the other one was five nine version four.
Just district one that's making the difference.
Yeah. So that small change in one makes the difference there. How about that?
Let me say that. So this is
so this one is showing this. So the one on the left? version four okay. For five, eight for district 162 3060 29. Okay, and then going back to the map. And that was 371
Yeah. 371
And then the other one was 376 Correct.
I just I think there may be something not quite right with this because if you look at the two maps right they they really look like they're very similar, right. Are we saying the only visual differences Linkin Park? Correct. Okay, so the data shows that district one in the version four from a is 62 Black 30 white in the primary. And the other version
is 4248 or district one. So
I'm just not sure that the data is matching the maps
Okay, well, and both of these are very good on the VRA analysis, and I'm sorry on the partisan fairness analysis, so we can tell that they come from the same family I love you so do you prefer 371 All right. Okay, so you want to how about we use hummingbird for this?
That's what I was gonna pick hummingbird is a nice little bird. Cool.
Do we want to do hummingbird version one or re 71 and hummingbird version two or three snow?
I think it should have a different name. I know it was the same family. But if we start that, I'm just gonna try to rally for the public for some distinction.
I wouldn't, I wouldn't even put in 376 at all. I mean, there doesn't seem to agree. And it's just going to add another map that doesn't need to be in there. Okay,
so 371 hummingbird.
Thank you commissioners.
Okay, we're still going through the ones that have for on the VRA analysis. I know you're doing a lot, John, when you get a moment. Can you pull up 373?
Sure. And again, I just want to say that I think that there's something not matching between the data and the map you're looking at. Yeah, well,
we'll have to figure that out. Okay.
All right. So what what map again, please
373.
So this is five 924 version one.
Okay, and this is the one that tried to approximate the Motown sound House districts into the Senate districts as a four on the VRA analysis and members quite close to zero for the partisan fairness analysis. And it was edited last by Commissioner lett, who made the changes to Romulus and Sumter Van Buren and districts four and five there. Mr. Morgan Yes.
Oh, lower the handout that I made my point earlier. I think it the problem may be with map 376. So we'll have to look at the data. So I'm just flagging that I think 376 is the one that might be off. Okay. All right. So 373 is here.
You might You might also just want to double check 371 But 376 Okay, we're at right now we're looking at 373 right and again, it's the one that approximated the Motown sound districts into senate districts. I believe it's the only one of this family so let's go with Cardinal for this.
That brings us to
362 and 350
You want them one by one?
You can put them side by side. Okay.
So 350 is the earlier version. Yes.
And that is for 29 version one.
Okay, and the second one, please.
362. That's five, seven. Version. Let me just double check. Make sure I have that right. Yep, three for version four. Yeah.
Okay, so 350 and 362. Yes.
News, again, are both on the VRA analysis
and they score the same on the partisan fairness analysis. Well, some of the numbers are the same. Some are a little different, actually on partisan fairness between the two.
So I would name 362 and not 353.
So yeah, so 362 was the updated version right if we looked at this side by side, for clarity, we can point out the differences.
Yeah, Roseville. Roseville was moved into 11. Franklin was put into 13 instead of the Southfield Township, Harper Woods was added to 10. There was some adjustments to the line between five and 10 and then the tap precincts for more and we're putting to 11. So it's just adjusting for Community of Interest lines basically. So I just named 362 and 350. I don't think we need to alternately name because it's super few line adjustments. It's the same app.
Right? And it is an update. Okay, anyone have an issue with that?
Nope. But I'd like to name it the Swift if we could.
Sure. You 62 equals Swift.
My only concern with not naming 350 is because we did have a lot of people say they like 350 but hopefully they will realize that 362 is basically the same plan with just some minor adjustments.
Yeah, I think with 350 What I heard at least as a lot of people liked that Dearborn district. And we've put that in a lot of the other maps. So hopefully, as you said, folks see that it's the same configuration. More or less. Okay, so that brings us to.
Five 724 version five which is 361.
So this one is the same as swift, except for that district 11 and 12 configuration
Do you want to put them side by side just to make sure about that. I'm sorry, I know you just closed last one.
So 361 And what was the other one?
362
Okay.
Yeah, 361 and 362.
Okay, so this is an this is a four on the VRA analysis
let me just double check that. Yep. And on the partisan fairness analysis
it is in line with many of the other maps not being the lowest or the highest. So, do we want this to have a different name or since it's built off swift with the changes in 11 and 12? Do we want to do a swift v2
I'm honestly not a fan of the v2. I think it's more confusing for the public. But it's up to you. We already have a V two for one of the other ones.
I do think it helps show progression and that is something we keep hearing like folks want to know, either by like we heard starting with the same name. I don't feel strongly either way, though, to be honest, but I do think it helps to show just like what what it was what the bass was and what it was. You know what it became. Is that is that the only difference between these 11 and 1213 is the same it goes a little bit into the Southfield area. Nine looks the same. A it looks the same. Commissioner Orton.
I think for us it kind of helps. To have the V two because then we can realize there's just a slight difference, and we can quickly pinpoint the difference. But and I don't know, I guess we can just explain that to the public.
So um, this does have the changes from the Swift, what you're going to call one so if you look at Southfield Township, you can see that they're the same. That was one of the changes. So yeah, I think it's really just 11 and 12 that are changed. Okay,
so let's go with Swift v two then if that's alright with everybody in this
chair, if I may, you're on plan. 361. Do you want that to be version one because it came before the prior one. You just did 362.
But 362 is actually before 361 Because it's I believe the version four is 361 and version five. Is three six. Sorry, 361 is 362 is version 436. Is version five. They were just they're probably just uploaded out of order.
Right so we're working on 361 Right now, which would be the later version the version five. That's what I was trying to indicate. So I just needed to know for the record, which one do you want to be version one and which one do you want to be version two.
So 362 is version 1361 is version two.
Thank you
Okay, I think we just have one more for the ones that score for under the partisan fairness under the VRA analysis and that is version two from that day. Five Seven
so that is 364.
So I think this one is quite similar to the one that we called Robin 377. earlier. Can we pull those up? Together?
Okay, but there are there are some differences here and like the Farmington Hills area. Oh, and in the Detroit area. Okay. Nevermind, they're not quite as similar as I thought. Any thoughts on this one commissioners?
So this is the one I mentioned earlier. This is closest to 344 which is the April 24 version four version. The partisan fairness on this isn't great. But I would still put it out there just because it's got some different configurations particularly it still keeps that district seven. So I would I would recommend naming this one but not naming 344 344
is 420 for version four. Okay, wonderful. So that takes out one more. Okay. Any birds any ideas?
How about dub? Dub
works?
So which one is getting Dev
364
Mr. Norton,
you said that was the last one but I don't think that that was the full list was it wasn't that just what was on the
point? Yeah. So there are more updated ones that we've done this week. But I don't have that information right now. Does and that's only for the four we have a few that are three that I think we should look at as well to see if we can edit them further. But do we? Does anyone have the the ones with the updates from earlier today, or that we've done earlier this week? Mr. Morgan? Sure.
Yes,
go ahead. Let's go with Miss Shara first.
I am 385 which is 515 20 for version two. If you're looking at the ones that scored a four on the primary turnout, that would be one of them. And then the one I just don't have noted a decision on that you guys discussed was did you talk about plan 349 which was for 2524 version seven. I have that noted as a four as well, but don't recall if you made a decision
we didn't I was just going to raise that one up.
Oh, I see. Okay, yep, that's the only one we haven't yet. Okay, let's pull that one off first. And then
let me do this. So the ones from the 15th Yesterday, we don't have those PDF maps, but I have the VRA maps, which can confirm you know whether there are three or four for example, this is 384 and you can see there are three districts and I can also pull up the spreadsheet and then I can open it and auto bound or I can open it from website not those PDFs.
Okay, that's useful I mean, we will be able to tell just by in the green and blue which ones right okay. Michelle,
I was just going to say based on the PowerPoint, previously that Mr. Braden presented the only one from the 15 That was a collaborative map would have done that 385
Gotcha. Thank you for that.
Okay, this is the 385.
For districts for 385. And then
yeah, so one Commissioner Orton was working on yesterday. And
then we can Yeah, we don't we don't have the easy map, but I can bring it up on the ottoman.
Okay, first things first, let's look at that last one. That was in the PowerPoint for 2524 version seven.
Is that is it 349?
Oh, that is a good question. Let's see.
It is.
Yep. 349
Okay, so this will be 349.
So I feel like this is pretty similar to one of the other ones that were made after
so it is except around six and five and 13 so Farmington is separate. Separate split a little bit in this one in the Swifts Farmington was put up into 13 in Farmington Hills was put into 13 and then six extended further down so it's different configuration and then Northville was also put into six in the Swift whereas here it's put in with 13. So it's primarily changes on that Western southern suburb edge.
The western edge correct commissioners at all? Yes.
Okay, does anyone want this to have a name or what do we think
I'd name it Sparrow?
349 is Sparrow
Okay, can we look at the the one that Michelle was just speaking about? from yesterday's meeting? 385.
Okay, so this is the VRA math for 385.
Okay, so that that Pontiac Southfield district becomes one here. And I believe this was the one commissioner or in tried to keep Commissioner Curry's downtown configuration but put back in that seven and this one's a few districts above this area because of that correct?
That's right. And then there's this is Farmington Hills and Livonia and Farmington are together in this district eight and then I can bring up the Autobahn version.
So that was this one I think.
Nope There we go. Okay. So yes, so this has the configuration of Detroit you describe the the four districts in Detroit. You have Canton here. Farmington Livonia. 13 710 1112 is the same as the Linden 12.
Do we have so this is for on the VRA analysis? Was this included in the partisan fairness analysis?
Yes, it was. I can
provide you those numbers if you would like chair
because I know there are a few we did yesterday that weren't quite so hot in that department. But I see one this is this one's in line with the other numbers is what I'm saying. Miss shark could you just read off those numbers to make sure
absolutely. The lopsided margin is 5.1%. The mean median is 2.9%. The efficiency gap is 1.8%. In the seats to votes ratio is 21 to 17 with 2.4% to the Democrats. Cool.
Okay, well I this is a pretty unique configuration Commissioner Orton
Yeah, could we name this one cream
right it is.
Okay, that covers all of the ones that scored for, for the VRA analysis. There are a few configurations have scored three that do particularly well on other metrics that I'd like to look at as well. And normally, when we do some mapping on Monday and Tuesday, we can try to see if we can edit to get them up to four. And I'd like to start with
map 379.
Okay, what do when you want to look at the website PDF first, that's fine. And also, these are all the collaborative maps that scored for is that correct? Yes. That's the collaborative. Okay.
All right. So from the website
what was the number again please?
379 379.
This is the one I brought up at the start of my turn yesterday asking if anyone had any changes. Do you do you have the the green versus blue districts for this one I trans Yes. Let's just look at that real quick.
So as Kim brace was saying, sometimes there'll be a purple square around it. So and I'll just go over these since this is the first time we've actually looked at one in detail. So the coloration is just yes or no on this metric. may bring up the correct one. Okay, so you don't have the map number. So I need the 379 is oh nine version eight.
So oh nine version eight variants okay
okay, so oh nine version eight. And then when I don't know if you have the spreadsheets but we have to go to the Wayne Oklahoma calm tab here to get the full picture. So the districts at the top generally are the ones that are going to score as performing. So you can see that there are three districts that have Yes, and the reason they're rated yes is because the black and black turnout is greater than the white turnout in two primaries. So that's what gets you the Yes. And then the primary pool is what's on the map. So the numbers here are going to be let's see, district three, eight and one. So three is 75. Eight is 55 and one is 56. So 375. Well, that's not the right one, three is 75. Eight is 55 and one is 56. So the numbers are from the Democrat primary pool, but the coloration is going to be from the primary turnout from two election cycles 2018 and 2022. Alright, so just to review that so if you look at the spreadsheet, you'll have more information about other districts. If you want to look and see which ones are close. For example, this district seven is 49% Black turnout over 48% white turnout in 2018, but not in 2022. It's 4552. And the primary pool is 29, black, Democrat, 242 white Democrat. So those are the underlying metrics. And then I'll go back to the map. So that's the map and then I can pull up back to the website version here 370.
Okay, well this is that three district COMM This is like the latest version of that three district configuration that we're one wraps around Dearborn and has Highland Park in Hamtramck together with central Detroit and eight that is use more Eastside centric but does go up into centerline and Warren and has Sterling Heights with Troy and Madison Heights. Yes, so I think this is different enough to have a name. I cannot think of any birds at this time. Anyone want to volunteer one?
Think I heard
finish it is.
And then the other one that I asked you folks if there were any changes on yesterday was math 370 859 24 version six.
Okay, so starting out, this is the website map. And then let me know if you want the VRA map or the data.
No, and this one also was three in the VRA. The partisan fairness numbers are pretty close to zero though, and I'd like to see how the community reacts to it. This was the one that I think Commissioner Weiss had drawn that district three that instead of just being the east side and the district eight, taking up going all the way down to the rivers instead of a little bit more northern Detroit. While as this was district three takes a little bit of the areas east of Woodward up into Warren but not quite as far and as Troy in Sterling Heights being with Warren instead of Madison Heights
proposed we call it the blue J
blue J.
Okay, any other three vra district configurations anyone would like to see. There were quite a few yesterday based off of Commissioner Curry's downtown I know we have one of those already reflected in
crane.
But is there any other ones?
Okay, Department of State can. I just want to make sure that you got all of that for the record? How many? How many birds do we have now?
Well, would you like me to go through them to make sure we're all on the same page? That would be great. Plan 349 is Sparrow plan 351. Is Starling version one? Plan 364 is dove plan 362 is swift version one plan 361 is swift version two. Plan 371 is Hummingbird. Plan 373 is Cardinal plan 374. Is Starling version two? Plan 377 is Robin plan 378. Is Blue J plan 379. Is Finch plan 385 Is crane
Okay, thank you, um the one from one more the one from yesterday that I was trying we were trying to get population right at the end Did that make it into the analysis?
That is I'll pull it up. Sorry.
Yes, that did. Yep.
That is 393 90.
Can you open that up real quick. The PDF?
Yes. And now I have the VRA PDF first, which is accessible short.
And it was district seven that was out of population alignments like
what about the partisan fairness for this one?
390
I can go through those if you would like.
That would be great. Sure if you could lopsided
margin is 6.3%. mean median is 3.4%. Efficiency gap is 4.5%. And seats to vote is 20 to 18 with a negative point 2% to the dominant.
Yeah, so this is one of the ones that Dr. Hanley pointed out. She didn't say it was problematic per se, but she said it was less fair than some of the other ones. But we are still tinkering at it. I think yesterday we're just trying to get population. So does anyone think this one should have a name while we work on it further? Commissioners tele I
would say no, because we already have 12 decent maps and if there's aspects of this, you want to incorporate another map. I think that would be easier than trying to fix this one that's so far kind of off. The mark.
Any other thoughts?
I mean, I do think we can do something with one three and eight there. You know, it's an interesting configuration. And we're not we're not done with it yet. But I guess we don't need to give it we don't need to give it a name right now, but it does still need to be worked on and maybe when we work on it a little bit more. We can then give it up. Give it a name. So commissioners dollar
I was gonna say you could also work on it and submitted as an individual map as well.
Yeah, I'm not gonna be submitting an individual map. That's just not I don't like doing those personally. But I think this one was, this one was the the one we were all trying to do together that was collaborative. Right. As that six that from Livonia up to Farmington we started that at the Wayne State meeting. And we've kind of been working at it ever since ever since. So it's not really an individual
anyone else?
Russia Callum and Commissioner Orton.
I press the wrong button. I was just gonna say that I think it could be worth working on as a group or I'm still willing to work on this map to see where we can get it. But, you know, that's just my personal opinion. I happen to agree with you, Commissioner. II that I think there's something worth tweaking especially since we know the direction that we're going on we lose literally weren't able to finish it and we got some preliminary data on it by getting it in yesterday.
Michelle Orton
um, I'm just wondering, was there a certain point of this map? Was there something that you really liked in it or wanted to do in it? Because I don't remember.
So this was the one that we I think Commissioner will let started it and y'all were working together. A little bit to create like the stacks. If you recall from that meeting we had at the end of the day at the Wayne State meeting, and that turned into District Six and then it kept that Redford Detroit configuration for three that we saw in Commissioner Curry's map. And then from there, we were working on one and eight and 10. I think 10 is the one that probably needs to change on it. But I think this was the attempt to make that kind of stacked configuration that we heard from the public. Yeah,
that's correct. When I take some of the other districts rather than it wraps. Some like the Farmington thing. Thank you, John. Lavanya area kind of creates it not kind of but it creates you a different configuration for the metro Detroit area. So that was the point of this. It takes indirectly some feedback that we were getting during the meeting at Wayne State, as well as some public comment that we've been getting, in my opinion, it combines a lot of the things that we've heard regarding the suburbs regarding communities of interest regarding the Detroit area, so that's what I'll add to that.
I remember that now. Now that I see the bottom part I remember Thank you
Michelle was a tele.
So I would just say it's not done and we still have more time to work on Monday. Is that right? Or am I wrong about that? I thought we Yep. So let's just table giving it a name for now and look at it on Monday. And then there were actually several of these maps that were kind of built on the same configuration that we could probably look at at the same time because I know like there were multiple reiterations of using Commissioner Curry's base Detroit map and having this kind of cylindrical wrapping of Detroit from the outside so why not be a bad idea to look at all of those on Monday?
Yeah, and let's keep in mind, we're not again, we're not eliminating anything today. We're not advancing anything today that's going to come next week. Just trying to organize our maps into ways that make sense for both us and the public. I think we've done that this does need to be worked on. Let's just Let's just give it a name and we can continue working on it and make it you know, V two V three whatever later. So
any ideas
Mr. Orton,
well mango,
Flamingo that's a bird is a flamingo bird. Technically, I'm not sure. But we'll go with it.
I was gonna say what about Phoenix?
What do you want to do? I heard Flamingo first let's just go with that.
Phoenix's aren't real so we might as well name a unicorn.
Okay, okay. Does anyone have any other map they'd like? To give a name to this one. I like the idea, but it does clearly need some work both on a population and a partisan fairness standpoint. So I hope we spend the weekend looking at some different ideas on improvements and whatnot. missioners Itala.
So the two maps I worked on yesterday that were Commissioner curries. I would like to name both of those as well.
What were those numbers?
Um, I believe I'd have to look but I believe it's version three and four. Let me look really quick. I would recognize them if I saw
I believe it is plan 387 and 386. But yes, you are crate correct commissioners to tell us they were five the teen and 20 for Version Three. And four.
Okay. So this is 386. And I can bring the Yeah, this is the quick version of that. And then the other one was
387
which had the minimal crossings into Oakland.
Okay, so let's name 386 The hawk and 387 the eagle
any Can you put them side by side so we can just see the differences between the two.
The difference is that the Kenton configuration can Northville Novi together in one and then Farmington, Livonia Westlands together and the other so one has a horizontal one as a steps
Okay, yep, that is quite a bit different
386
Alright, so let me try that again. 386. Seven
Yeah, so there you go. There's your horizontal is 386 and your vertical is three A's.
And then one of them has changes in districts 11 and 12 as well. Yes. Why is just a quick question, John. Why is 12 On the one on the right. White I mean, yeah, wait while the one on the left is blue. Okay,
so it's because they're the sort of rule that we're going with is that how much is in one of the three counties versus how much is not so this says more of St. Clair than it does of Macomb or it's really close something like that.
Okay. Okay. How can you go? Yes. All right. Well, we went from all those. I don't know
that question. Is your hand up, Mr. Chairman. Sorry. Um, can we John, do you? I just wanted to see something. I was looking at all the maps. And I was wondering if we could pull up the MSU map. I wanted to see these maps with the MSU next to it if that's possible. I know we probably don't have an overlay
what's the MSU map?
It was on a public comment portal. I didn't know and it was also sent to the commission.
Is there a different name for that?
I mean, I could give it to you. I could give you with on the portal but I didn't know if you had that. On hand. So that's the IPs or map.
Think I've got that in auto balance somewhere.
Okay. That would be great. I just want to look at it. That's all
Alright, then might be back a little ways. Just a second. Okay.
Thank you.
This now we looked at this a while ago
Yeah, I want to look at it again.
So to be clear, there was a there was a submission in April. All right.
Did that get uploaded or not? I'm
not sure if it did. Okay. Only thing that you could possibly do is the only other thing that you could possibly do is to pull it directly from the website that they have or if you have access to whatever they submitted to the Commission
Russia origin
Yeah, I think body requests okay.
I think I think let's see if
that was I think Commissioner Andrade requested to see it and then we never did see it. But I think maybe you guys got ready.
Wait a minute. Oh, well, perfect.
Now this one is gonna look really odd
may have crashed the system.
Yep, it crashed the system. Okay. The problem was this when it was imported from the portal the geographic configuration was completely alien. So Ryan converted it
right so that's around May 7, may 7
All right, there we go. Okay, so the issue here was, we had we had to have Ryan manually enter this from the shapefile and he was able to do that
okay, so this is the one. So this was imported from automatic. So we got the shape file, and then it didn't convert. Well, it did but it wasn't recognizable, and then Ryan converted it. So this is the land
Okay, can I see the other two maps that we were just looking at Hawk and Eagle next to this hang on.
missioners Hello um,
this is the map from MSU is that right?
I think so. It's called Yep, sir.
Okay, so they like they just locked into the district. It just looked very familiar to Lyndon that's all I was confused, but I'm guessing that's because they probably locked in non challenged districts. Yeah, I
think they locked in nine and 13 but they did make changes to districts two and seven.
Okay,
and then when we were drafting Commissioner Curry's map, we started with Linden and we axed out the districts that had to be changed. So that could be
the districts that are the same where they started listening. Okay, all right, so
it's a little tricky, but I've almost gotten.
Thank you. I appreciate it. I can Yeah, and I can see the
sorry, it's in order for me to get this can get the bottom edge. Okay.
I got to do the same file over it, but this is fine. Yeah, they're really, really similar. I just wanted to
Yeah, okay, that's, that's okay, so now wait. Yeah. Okay, so
this is the hawk and eagle that you wanted to look at. Okay, and I don't I don't think this was because this was an outside map. I don't think this was uploaded to the Commission portal. It was on another portal.
Correct? Yeah. When I was going through public comment and this map, refreshed my memory and so then when I went on to see it, so this looks like something identical that we've been working on. So that's why I wanted to see side by side in the meeting. Okay. So 138 almost the exact same. Okay, thank you. And the surrounding suburban districts. All right, John. I appreciate that. Okay.
Commissioners Itala.
So I'm sorry, is this being compared to Commissioner Curry's Detroit area,
but eagle and Hawk I wanted to see them next to the map that was submitted from MSU. Yeah, and they're almost identical with just minor changes, but I mean, that's fine just as long as we know where maps are coming from.
Um,
I guess I don't see how they're almost identical when seven and nine are stacked.
Strikes instead of up and down.
You You broke up there for us.
I mean, I personally No, I didn't reference them as staff to try. Yeah, I just just, I said seven and nine hours stacks districts, they're not remotely similar to what's in the MSU map. So
I could see that 10 is similar. There other districts that are very similar. I'm not suggesting anything I wanted to take a look myself. Will it be auto bound? That's all you did.
You did suggest something you suggested that it was copied from the MSU map and no,
well, the words that I use were they look different. They look similar. So I'm gonna be clear. I didn't say anyone copy anything.
I want to make sure we're knowing where map
Okay, let's get it back to order. We've seen the comparison.
See a diversity friendly reminder when you talk over each other in Traverse camp by the kitchen. Thank you.
That is so sad. Okay. Anyways, folks to 245 mapping is now done for the day. I think we did a good job and you know going from nothing's eliminated. But we did give Matt names to think it's now up to 15 but that's certainly better than 30 Plus, I hope we all take the weekend to take a look at these options. Come on Monday prepared with some edits if you'd like to make any. And yeah, start start thinking about what you might want to advance to the courts. Next week. We will be taking all of the maps we advance to the core on our next public hearing tour taking place in July. We do have an executive directors report today. If there is no objection, I will turn the floor to Mr. Woods to give his report. Before that, Mr. Morgan I do see your hand up. Yeah, I
just wanted to say the EDS team has some availability if you if an individual Commissioner needs help with the map drawn process. I've already heard from one commissioner and I'll try to schedule that.
Thank you, Mr. Morgan. Is there any objection commissioners for Mr. Watson's report?
All right, go ahead, Mr. Woods.
Thank you, Commissioner Eden. Thank you members of the Commission want to provide you with an update so that you can consider this over the weekend regarding to regarding the virtual public hearings, as well. As the the budget supplemental request as well. We do have virtual public hearings coming up that we want to promote starting next week. They take place Wednesday, May 29. And Thursday, June 6 And they will take place from 10 to one and then five to 730. This will be the time where we present the collaborative maps. Then each Commissioner presents their alternative or individual map and ask questions. So we want to kind of get that going. Our marketing firms are eager to start promoting this. So just want to put this on the radar so that we can talk about next week I'll provide like an agenda or an outline so that we can have commissioners present the collaborative maps and that each individual Commissioner can do the can, I'm sorry, do their own individual map so I'm going to make sure that that takes place. The goal is to review all the maps being considered by the Commission for the Senate remedial plan before the June public hearings. And so therefore, when people are coming, they're familiar with the plan. They have an understanding of the plant. And we want to make sure that that opportunity takes place. And we want to start marketing basically a week from today, a week from today knowing that it's coming up in two weeks. We're gonna start marketing a week from today. So just want to put this on the Commission's radar with regards to this collaborative mapping process and sharing this with the public. And we believe if we do this, they will be better informed and when they come to the public hearing. So just
wanted to share that.
And the second thing was the update on the fiscal 24 budget supplemental. The request was sent Friday, February 23. We met with Senator Anthony's office on April 8 in the state budget offices on May one. We're told that the fiscal year 24 budget supplemental would be considered after the fiscal year 25 budget appropriate appropriation process is complete. As I shared with you earlier, we are in the fiscal year 25 budget but that does not give us money as relates to fiscal year 24. I'm concerned because it compromises our ability to comply with the court order in providing the Senate remedial plan by June 27. I'm also concerned because as the impact on the small and minority owned businesses that we use to conduct our not only our remote meetings, but also our in person meetings. So just want to raise that out to the commission with regards to that because we're basically at a point right now, where we are in a holding pattern because we might not be able to cover our bills, knowing that we have to do public hearings in June to comply with the order so really want to be open and transparent as to where we are. I do want to acknowledge that our attorneys are working with us on terms of getting this matter resolved. But I wanted to be clear, because last time if you remember when this happened, we got funded in February with regards to being included in the budget, but this is basically different. And it's different because when we're under a court order, every day we are incurring bills that are impacting businesses, and so just want to make sure that the Commission knows what's happening behind the scenes. But if we were to continue to spend money we would be out prior to June 1, as well. So just wanted to make sure that everyone is clear, but also want to be clear that our attorneys are working behind the scenes in terms of advancing it but this is where we are and even though we're an independent body, we do not control the funding process.
I think we certainly appreciate that our legal team is working at it. Hopefully we get that appropriation soon. Perhaps it should be reminded to the office that it is the constitutional duty of the legislature to fund this commission and we look forward to that. Does that conclude your report. Mr. Woods?
It does unless there's any questions I can take them at this time.
Mr. Norton, well,
what if we don't get funded? I mean, have we? What's going to happen if we can't pay bills? Meaning we can't hire anyone to do our republic hearings and things? At what point can we not defend our maps and follow the court order? That's a problem.
Well, I mean, we're basically running the risk if we don't pay our bills, Commissioner Orton of people not actually doing our public hearings because they haven't been paid. I mean, that is our reality. So you know, we will do what we can, but I mean, that is that is our reality. You know, I don't know if people will show up, you know, and wait, you know, that long because of the budget cycle usually ends in June for the appropriations in terms of how it works and they look at the supplemental, you know, you're looking at the end of June.
I don't know if I answered your question, but that's the best answer I can give you.
Well, I just think, you know, as an independent body, we're not very independent. If we don't get the funding that we need to follow a court order to defend now maps or create new maps
I guess this is how government works.
I think we certainly all hope that they are listening to this and don't
know sorry. I was already talking. Did you need something from us?
No, no. Okay.
I'm so sorry. I thought you're asking for mapping information. No, no,
you're okay. Thank you, Mr. Mueller. Any other questions for Mr. Woods?
Thank you very much. Appreciate it.
Thank you. Are there any acknowledgments or announcements? I'll just start with giving a shout out to the whole staff. I know getting all this data together under short notice and putting it together in a way to make it easier for us to do our jobs as commissioner is not an easy thing to do. So I appreciate you all. And I know we didn't make your jobs easier today by naming a whole bunch of maps and you folks are gonna have to go in and you know, add that piece of information to the data to make sure everything is in order and I appreciate that. So thanks a lot.
There Any other announcements? acknowledgments?
Okay, with that said the items on the agenda are complete and the Commission there was no further business today. A motion to adjourn as an order. So
moved. Second.
We have a motion by Commissioner let's I think the first second I heard was from Commissioner Muldoon. Is there any discussion on the motion commissioners? Seeing none, we'll move to vote. All those in favor of the motion to adjourn please raise your hand and say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Please raise your hand and say nay. The eyes have it. We are adjourned at 2:55pm Good job everyone today. Thank you