Welcome to Louisiana Lefty, a podcast about politics and community in Louisiana where we make the case that the health of the state requires a strong progressive movement, fueled by the critical work of organizing on the ground. Our goal is to democratize information, demystify party politics, and empower you to join the mission because victory for Louisiana requires you.
On this week's episode, I speak with Louisiana State Representative Mandie Landry. I ask her about her experience as a woman running for office and a progressive serving in our conservative legislature. We also talk about how fighting the good fight every day, even when it feels like we aren't getting enough wins, advances our causes in the long term.
Representative Mandie Landry! Welcome to Louisiana Lefty.
Hey, Lynda, thanks for having me.
An honor to have you on. I always start the podcast with how I met my guest. And your recollection was that I called you in 2016 during Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign. I remember I was state director for her in 2016, so the reason I called you was because you were a VIP on my Clinton list. So, you had a, and this was before you were an elected official, so you somehow had registered in the Clinton world.
Thank you, and probably just, I've always been an active donor. And I've volunteered before. And I vote all the time, so I was definitely on some list of yours as make sure you get her involved. And you called me. I remember, I was at my desk. And I was so excited. I said, "I signed up to poll watch in Florida." Because I had done that before for, you know, I did that for John Bel. In 2015, that was the first time, I think, I did that for the governor. And I was so excited to go be part of history. And because I knew Louisiana would go the other direction, and I had no idea the history would be very, very different on that day in November, but it was a great first meeting with you, and I remembered it.
And then I remember, you called me to tell me you were considering running for office. Is that related to 2016?
Yes, I was having a lot of interviews with students lately, and they ask, "Why did you decide to run?" I said, "I am part of a larger group of people, mostly women, but not all, who have been really angry since November 2016 and really wanted to do something and saw just the endless trauma of the Trump Administration." And so, I'm part of that for sure. But my main reason for running--I had no plans and didn't even know that my legislator, at the time, was term-limited. But I just so happened to meet another candidate in the race, and I thought, well, surely there is a woman running in this race. This is a heavily Democratic district in the middle of New Orleans. I can't wait to work on her campaign. And I looked and I looked, and you were one of the people I called and Julie Harris and a bunch of other people who would know, and y'all said, "I have not heard of any woman running in that race." And I felt this sense of dread that oh no, I'm going to have to do this. And here we are. There was no way I was going to let that race happen without a woman being in that race. I was that mad about it.
Awesome. What first got you interested in politics?
I was in Student Council in seventh grade. I was my freshman class president. I was student body president in high school. I didn't do anything in college. College was jarring to me. And it took me a while just to get used to it. But I've always been interested, I think, from my dad when I was little, he was a poly sci major. I'm very extroverted. I'm one of those people. And then after college, a lot of my classmates moved to New York and DC, and they had finance and accounting, consulting jobs, and none of that remotely interested me. So, I moved to DC, and I work for a nonprofit for a while. And then I ended up working for a member of congress and a senator just answering the phone like you do when you're 22. And I saw what a long road it was to build seniority on Capitol Hill. And I said, I think I'm gonna go to law school. I'd planned to this whole time. And I went to law school, and I am and was a practicing attorney when, let's say it's been 15 years, when I decided to run it was like 14 years. So, my career was law with a sort of hobby interest in politics that whole time until this happened, which is why I decided to run. There was always an interest. I volunteered. I went to Mobile for Doug Jones like three times because I was so mad about that man he was running against, speaking of our earlier conversation on children. So kept motivated, kept interested, helped Hillary out. And here we are.
And you're the State Representative for District 91?
Correct. District 91 in New Orleans.
And in addition to all the things that made you a wonderful candidate for your district, you give a lot of credit to fieldwork and data for your success.
Yes, I am a very modern candidate for New Orleans, maybe not for other cities, but definitely for New Orleans. You still have a lot of candidates, whether they're old-fashioned or new, who understand they have to talk to voters. And for me, I just, I made myself start going out to knock doors in April. I said, well, if I'm going to represent this whole district, I need to know all of who they are. I was already very active in my neighborhood association. And I had been an officer there for several years. But I didn't know all the areas of my neighborhood. So, I went knocking, and that's so important for any candidate because you need to know who you represent. And it was often the people on the doors who gave me my messaging or gave me my issues to back. I knew there were things I cared about and wanted to talk about, but maybe I wasn't sure how to phrase them or how much someone cared about them. And there were so many times that people said, "No one has ever knocked on my door before." And that just killed me because we have so many different levels of politicians in New Orleans. And I said, "No one ever knocked on your door on Camelia Street next door?" That bothered me. But then the data part of it, I was always going to be a modern candidate. The thought of paying someone to do things on paper and put in data entry. And for anyone listening, you probably have used VoteBuilder. Of course, I was going to use VoteBuilder. It makes no sense to me not to. VoteBuilder is a program that Democrats use around the country that has all your voter registration data, but you can also--hate to use the word manipulate that sounds negative--but you can use it within your campaign. We set up a phone list. We set up event watches. We were able to put when someone wanted to sign. It's kind of just a big database. And it's very easy and intuitive to use. And we were able to do so much work ourselves that in the past candidates had to pay these so-called experts tens of thousands of dollars for. And technology has changed that, made it cheaper but also made it more effective, way more effective. There's no like ranking of--I'll give you this one example of why I think it's so much better to use modern technology. So, the old-fashioned people, they rank their voters 1 to 10. 10 is me and you. We vote every single time. A 1 is someone who rarely votes or never votes. A 4 is someone who rarely votes. What happens when you do that is you miss all your new excited voters. So many of my college interns said, "We don't get any mail from these candidates." I was like, "Why don't you get mail?" They were like, "I don't know. I voted every time." But they've only been voting for two years, three years. I think it also misses we have so many new people who people like you registered to vote, who maybe they had a felony conviction or maybe they just were never registered or language barriers. They don't get picked up. And no one goes to their door, and no one sends them any mail. And those are the people you definitely want to talk to. That's my soapbox.
Right, and look, one of the things I always preach when I'm either training or just talking about VoteBuilder, the thing about it is if you haven't put that data in a space where you can reaccess it and use it again and again if you go to a runoff or if you run for reelection, you're now starting from scratch or virtually starting from scratch. These are things that you can ramp up your campaign, your runoff, or your reelect so much easier if you've already got that data in there. And then we've also talked about this: there's a suite of tools that you can use with VoteBuilder that integrates seamlessly. So, it just gives you a lot of power to be able to do a lot of things.
Yeah, you don't need to reinvent the wheel. People have done this ahead of you. There's no reason to start from scratch ever. I learned that as a lawyer, but in politics, someone has done something similar. You need to make it your own, but you don't need to start from the beginning.
Where is the first campaign you learned about using VoteBuilder In this kind of targeting?
I think the first time I used it was on Hillary Clinton's campaign. So, I think it was John--no, for John Bel in '15, I think I only did poll watching. And then in '16 for Hillary, I had knocked doors like way back when I was young in DC, and it was all paper. And then for Hillary, we were poll watchers, but we had a day in between, and so I didn't use VoteBuilder. I was the one knocking, and my friend was doing it. And then probably when I really got to know VoteBuilder was Doug Jones in--was that '17? And one of my neighbors and I went to Mobile, and you take that side of the street, and I take this side, and we just knocked out these doors, and it just worked so well. So, I've been using it for a while.
And you were talking about minivan, which is the--
Minivan. Yeah, sorry. Minivan is the app for VoteBuilder. And yeah, you just put in your information and click, and it's saved immediately.
And the thing that so impressed me about your campaign, I follow you on all your social medias, you were posting about, you were out personally knocking doors every day, rain or shine. Whether it was raining or beating down heat, you never missed a day knocking doors.
Yep. Part of it was I had no political clout behind me, which is fine. You don't need that, but it means you have to work that much harder. And I just always saw it as it's the voters who elect me. It's not some fancy endorsement. It's not some fancy party, which too many people in politics get sucked into. It's the people out there voting. I have to go directly to them. And that worked for me, and they met me, and one of my advisors early, he said, "I like you. I trust you. They're gonna like you too, but they have to meet you. And the only way they're gonna meet you is if you go there and say, 'Hi.'" And it was hard at first. I'm an extrovert, an extreme extrovert, and knocking on strangers' doors is really hard when you get started. And it's hard to just get yourself out of the house. But it works. I speak in front of huge groups now. And I am not nervous like I used to be. I am more confident. I hope I inspire confidence in other people. And I'm told a lot of the younger kids when they started knocking doors, they said, "If you're shy, this is what you should do to overcome that because it's just one person you're talking to, just one." And it really helped a lot of them with their confidence just like it helped me.
Well, generally, if someone's going to answer the door, they're actually going to be nice to you.
They'll talk, and sometimes you have to learn body language. And sometimes people will kind of look, and I'm like, "I'm just gonna drop this off." I also have to acknowledge that knocking on someone's door as a 5'3'' white woman is very different than, you know, our friend young Frederick. He and I were on a zoom about a week ago, and I said, "I'm sure Frederick, as a 6'3'' Black man has a very different experience on the doors." And he was able to talk a lot about that, how he approaches things a lot differently than I would. So, it's something to be aware of that we all have different experiences on the doors, and it depends on what neighborhood you're in as well. I found in general lower-income neighborhoods, people were way more willing to talk and way more open to talk. And your fancy neighborhoods, no one comes to the door.
Good information. We've discussed the obstacles women candidates face, especially when they're asking for promotion. The bar is set so much higher for women. The things that men can do, and people don't blink an eye, they'll look at a woman politico and be very suspicious if she does something similar to that. Do you have personal experience with the added burdens of being a woman candidate?
I mean, every day. Candidate. Elected. Do you want to talk about the candidate first?
Yeah, let's talk about the candidate side and then both personal experience but also more generally if you kind of know more general.
You know, this is something that won't come as a surprise to most women but being perceived as feminine or womanly or that sort of type of woman, it helps and it hurts. And here's a perfect example, so there ended up being another woman who qualified in my race at the last minute. And I won't, I don't really talk about her candidacy as much because it never really got off the ground. But for most of my campaign, most of my race, it was two men I was running against. And I say why being a woman and more feminine helps you: they never took me seriously until it was too late. It was the very last minute. One of them must have had a poll, and all of a sudden some negative ads dropped on me, and it was too late because I already had built up so much goodwill. I had mountains of goodwill. They were not paying attention to me. If they were paying attention, they would have known that I had been knocking on thousands of doors and making thousands of calls for months. And they just totally didn't take me seriously. And that happens often in Baton Rouge with my colleagues. They just literally don't take me seriously. It's so condescending. But sometimes I'm able to run quietly up the middle with no one noticing. Would I have made a run-off if they had recognized my strength as a candidate six months early? I don't know, but it would have been a different race. It would have been a much different race if they had taken me seriously earlier, but they didn't. So, here we are.
What do women who might want to run for office need to know as they make those deliberations, and what's the most critical thing you think they should think about?
Every decision you make, everything you do is studied that much more carefully and is always blamed on you. We see that with one of our other woman friends running right now. No matter what happens, good, bad. Actually no. The good is not blamed on you. Anything bad, any poor decision, anything iffy is blamed squarely on you, even if you had nothing to do with it. Obviously, the comment, everyone knows to watch your appearance, and that matters differently to different people. But there's going to be comments on that. That stuff is not as obvious, I think, as it used to be because people are aware of it. There was a lot of code words thrown at me. When other people wanted to use the B word, and they know they can't anymore, they kept saying, "She's not very friendly." I'm like, "I've literally just knocked on 10,000 doors. Like, say what you're trying to say here." But that stuff just kind of rolls off. That's like minor issues. The biggest problem for women running for office is money. It's so much harder for us to raise money. It is way harder for Black women to raise money too. Just know going in, you're going to have to work that much harder for more donors. But the more donors you have, the stronger you're going to be as a candidate because you've had to convince that many more people to invest in you.
Are you an Emerge alum?
Yes. So, Emerge America trains Democratic women who run for office. They have two main programs. One is a longer program that's like six months, I think, that does a lot of in-depth training. And then they have these little boot camps that are three days over a weekend. When I decided to run, I had only done some sort of baby candidate training in the past, nothing major. So, I contacted Emerge Louisiana and said, "I really, really want to do a boot camp. Oh, my God, I need to know more about what I'm doing." And they had one in DC in March of 2019 so two years ago right now. And I flew up there, stayed with some friends, and did three intense days. And it actually was the perfect time to do it for my campaign because all the things they train you about, fundraising and media and your story and all, I was in the process of doing. So for me, it was good timing. And I think anyone who's thinking of running should do some sort of training somewhere. It was invaluable. Really invaluable.
So now that you are an elected official, I was going to ask does this dynamic change, but you kind of alluded earlier to that it doesn't, that you still have a lot of the same issues with--
Yeah, if I was in a different state like Virginia or something, my experience would be different, but Louisiana--I'll back up a second. Law is a male-dominated field, and it's much more male-dominated in Louisiana than it was in DC. And so, I thought I was kind of used to that experience. I'm blown away by the level of male domination in the Baton Rouge Capitol. Only 18% of legislators are women. So that's like 20 reps out of 105 and 6 senators out of 39. We don't have any women elected statewide. And all this shows in our terrible laws. There's just some men up there that I think have literally never met anyone like me who is 42 years old. I have a career. I look like them, and I went to all the good schools, and what comes out of my mouth is not what they expect. It's just different worlds. And it's so heavily male-dominated, Black and white. And it is very testosterone-filled. It's all those stereotypes, and it is still something to get used to. It's difficult, but I'm trying.
Well, I want to shift gears a little bit and talk about being a progressive and being from New Orleans in Baton Rouge at the capitol. I'm really interested in how that impacts your work. My experience is that both of those things are tough in Baton Rouge.
I am probably the only legislator who self-identifies as progressive although there's probably another 8 to 10 of us, maybe a little more, that if you look at our at the voting records, like my voting records were very similar to theirs. But that is a new word to Louisiana politics. Is that the right way of putting it: a new word? Modern word?
New idea. Yeah.
Yeah, I just went by liberal for so long, but apparently, that's not what the kids are using anymore these days. When I ran, I was very honest at all the forums and to voters. I said, "I am not promising you, I'm going to go to Baton Rouge and change everything. I can't. I'm one person inside the legislature, not an executive position. And one person in one delegation, and Democrats are heavily outnumbered, but what I will promise you is that I will be a Democrat, and I will be a good Democrat." And we've had a lot of Democrats in our state who to me, they support anti-choice legislation, and they support anti-poverty level legislation. And they've gone, I think, too far in negotiating to the point that I don't know where they are standing anymore. No one in particular. I'm just speaking in general. But I told my voters, I said, "I'm going to be a Democrat. That's what I'm going to do. And then if you don't want me anymore after four years, then that's your decision." And that's what I've tried to do. I've been somewhat of the left-flank of the party. I represent a lot of us who are not represented in Baton Rouge. I am very much pro-choice. I very much think we need more gun control. I think we need to address issues of poverty and race. And I think, more than anything, we need to keep working on healthcare in the state.
Have you found ways to advance your agenda or do you see your role as more, you were just talking about, more important to be the progressive voice in the room for those of us who really aren't championed enough there?
That's part of it just ensuring that people who aren't usually represented up there have representation, and sometimes that's just representing the 51% of the state that are women, who aren't represented that often. I am a firm believer also that having the conversation is important. So, amongst my male-dominated colleagues, a lot of them see, they only see a win as did you get your bill passed? And so, a lot of them will focus on what I view as minute cleanup bills, still things that need to be done, but maybe just changes the days on something or just modifies something, but to them: I got three bills passed. I got four bills passed. Well, last year before COVID, I filed this vote by mail bill that would expand voting by mail just because I liked it, and I liked Power Coalition and what they were doing. And then COVID happened and boom, it exploded. And we had a huge movement behind it. We had a huge hearing. I had people contacting me from all over the state. We educated so many people on what voting by mail and absentee voting was. That bill did not get passed. We did so much good work on that. And we have so many more people who are voting by mail. That is a huge win. And you know, some of my colleagues say, "Your bill didn't get passed." I'm like, I won. We won. The state won. We educated people. And guess what? The feds are probably going to pass a major voting overhaul this year that has all the things we talked about last year. So, I think it's important to keep following those things. Another example, Ted James and I were the only ones who filed a bill related to eviction proceedings all of last year. I think that is horrible and embarrassing. In a year when people were worried about losing their homes, and COVID was going on. And no one cared about renters, about tenants. So, I think it's important to keep having that conversation. The bill might not pass this year. It might be five years from now. Pat Smith fought the good fight for years on sex education. We still have not done it, but I know a bunch of us are going to keep carrying that load. Because it's so important.
I do want to tell a story that sort of exemplifies what you're talking about there. All the work that you do, whether it passes or not, this year, next year, or never is important because it gets information out to the public and sets the narrative. I saw on my Facebook memories today an event I hosted in New Orleans in 2014 when I was running Team Blue Dat for the Louisiana Democratic Party the year Mary Landrieu was running for reelection to the Senate. And session was just about to start. The event was a phone bank and Twitter training for the three things we advocated on over and over and over again: healthcare for all, raising the minimum wage, and equal pay for equal work. And as a party, we pushed those Medicaid expansion bills. That was our healthcare for all vibe. We pushed those every year and even one year attempting to get it on a statewide ballot to let the voters decide. That was our hashtag: #letlouisianadecide. While that never got through the legislature, all that work mattered because it set a narrative of former Governor Jindal not caring about his people. And it primed the voters for a candidate who could come along and draw that contrast. John Bel Edwards was able to say, "I care about you, and I want you all to have health care." And that's why, even when we feel defeated, we have to remember that we're always laying groundwork.
I wish you would tell this to everyone and shout it from the rooftops because all of these things, these major changes that happen that get credited with one person or two people ignores the fact that people did that work for years. And in our state, it was mostly Black people, and it was mostly Black women who started it. Medicaid is a perfect example. People were pushing that expansion for so long. And yes, we all know who signed it. But that was a group effort for sure and took a long time. The reverse unfortunately is true. Why do you think we have so many abortion restrictions? That didn't happen overnight. They plotted for years and decades and chipped at it and chipped at it. There's four or five filed this week. And I'm like, "What more can you do?" Seriously, but it takes a lot of effort. And not everyone is going to get the credit. Not everyone wants the credit. It's just acknowledging that these are group efforts and that the people who start that, especially environmental issues, Cancer Alley, no one listens to them at the beginning. No one cares about them at the beginning. And they're the ones really putting in the work. And you're right, we need to count all those teams and those groups as wins because it takes a long time to make change here. Long time.
It does. By the time this podcast airs, you'll be in legislative session for 2021.
Okay, hi, future Mandie, future Lynda.
How would folks connect to your work?
Yes, so, a few different ways. So, I personally am active on social media on Twitter and Instagram @votelandry. I don't do as much on Facebook anymore. Those are ways to just kind of see what's going on that day. But for people who are getting more interested in the legislature, the legis.la.gov website, you can see what meetings are happening that day. They're all broadcast live. You can see what's on the agenda or what bills. You can also search for bills. You can search by my name. You can search by, you know, abortion. I don't have an abortion bill this year, but just for example. You can search for all bills in front of a certain committee. There's certain people and certain entities out there who keep progressive voters more informed: Power Coalition, Step Up Louisiana, Together Louisiana. Get on all their email listservs. They will let you know what's coming up in the next week. I wish I could do the same, but we get one staffer, who actually makes slightly more than my $17,000. And I get no office in the capitol. So, resources are limited. So, we are heavily dependent, as Democrats and as progressives, on these wonderful nonprofits that we work with. And a lot of the repro ones are great: Lift Louisiana, Women with a Vision. I do a lot of work with them. Like I said, Power Coalition is probably one of the bigger ones, but y'all should definitely look at those groups, follow their social media, and know that stuff happens really fast in Baton Rouge. It's a two-month session. We start August, sorry, April 12 and end June 10. So, a lot is going to happen in that short time.
So, I'll make sure that I post your social media links in our podcast notes, so people can find you easily. You also referenced earlier that we were talking earlier today about children, and we recorded a video for the Louisiana Lefty Facebook page, so people can go to our Facebook page and also find you there. What is it that you need us to do to help advance your efforts?
You know what'd be good? If some people would take a look at, just for me personally, what I have filed and pick a couple that you really care about or want to know more about. My bills sort of all have a general focus on women and health. And I include my background check bill absolutely on that. I mean women are, unfortunately, the tragic victims of domestic violence too often: women and children. So, I would say, take a good look at my bills. Some people really want to be involved. I have a bill decriminalizing sex work or prostitution, as it's called in Louisiana. That is very cutting edge for this country. And it is very important. And it really gets at the heart of labor and race and criminalizing consensual behavior. What is consensual behavior? What is trafficking? That's an interesting one. I would love to get Medicaid expanded to new mothers for one year. I think that is such a helpful, affordable thing that we can do. I would say, go to all your favorite legislators. Go to Aimee Freeman, Matt Willard, Royce Duplessis and pick a couple of things that they're doing because everything they're doing is great. And just start following what's going on. And a lot of you have a lot more expertise than you think. It could just be that you had a rough pregnancy, and you want to come to the legislature and say, "For eight months, I was bleeding and having problems, and I had to go to my doctor once a week. How could you dare kick a woman off her healthcare when she needs it most?" That might be you listening and if so, you should come testify.
For those of us who do advocate at the legislature, what's the most effective way, what things work and what doesn't work?
It's always better to contact your legislator because you vote for that person. However, if there is a bill coming up in a committee that your legislator is not on, you should still contact that committee and the committee members directly because we do pay way more attention when we receive emails or phone calls when a bill is in committee because that's usually when your advocates and your experts pay attention. And so, I would say, if there's something coming up in committee, really try to make your voice known then, and if you feel comfortable, show up and testify. You have every right to speak on any bill publicly when it's in committee. They may limit your time, but you have the right to be there and make yourself heard. And if you are physically capable of doing so, we would love for you to do so.
And if I live somewhere in the state where I might be represented by a Republican legislator, and I wanted to go testify in a committee. Do you think they'd be likely to let me know how to do that, even if I wasn't a supporter of theirs?
Are you asking how to find out the process for going to speak in Baton Rouge?
Yeah, would contacting my legislator be the better idea or should I try to go to one of those community groups that might teach stuff like that?
I would always be trying your legislator. And just to give the caveat for a lot of people, our aides don't make a lot of money, and they're either elderly or like mine, has three jobs to make ends meet. So if you don't get a good response, don't assume it's because someone has different political views. It might just be because their poor aid is overwhelmed. But I would always try your own rep or senator or both first and say, "I really want to come talk about or testify x bill or issue or whatever." And see what they say first. And if you don't get a response, or you don't feel comfortable with the response, I would contact Power Coalition or Step Up or Vote or any of those groups or me or Lynda, and we can probably point you in the right direction.
Very good. Mandie, I always ask three questions at the end of the episode. So, the first one is: what do you see as the biggest obstacle for progressives in Louisiana?
Redistricting. And I'll give you a very short reason because too often our own people, our own people being Democrats, make deals with Republicans to the detriment of the state. That is an incumbency problem. It is in all 50 states. We are not going to get more accurate representation in our state until we have districts that look like our state, and I really am hopeful for this year and very nervous about it.
What's our biggest opportunity as progressives in Louisiana?
Riding high on this hey, we have the Presidency, the Senate, and the House. Ride it as far as possible. Push your federal leaders. Ride the energy down here. Already, we have city council elections this year. There's one district that I already have heard of like nine candidates running. That's crazy, but I love the energy that the Biden win and the Senate win has really put into people. It's great, and we need to use it because you know what, what goes up must come down. So, use it while we can.
Well, I love that answer. And I always am a proponent of taking your victories when you get them because we don't get them that often.
And we worked hard for this one as a country, really hard.
That's true. Who's your favorite superhero?
Oh, Wonder Woman, obviously.
Wonder Woman. I love it. So, we always ask that question because we lift up organizers here as superheroes. So, we just like to play around with the iconography. Well, I just wanted to say as we close again, back when I worked at the party, we would host conference calls for our volunteers and advocates with a different legislator every week during legislative session, and John Bel Edwards, Karen Carter Peterson, JP Morrell, we'd invite all of them to come on. And all of them would say some version that part of their job was to remember who they were working for. And they had to hang in there to fight for those people every day. And they would let us know that even if they weren't getting positive bills passed, their presence in the legislature allowed them to block some of the worst stuff that the other side tried to do the people of our state. I know the toll that being present and persistent can take on folks who work in the legislature for our side. And I just thank you for being there to represent all the folks who would not otherwise have a voice in Baton Rouge. And I thank you for joining me on Louisiana Lefty today.
Hey, I appreciate it. Literally just yesterday, Aimee Freeman, next door to me, one of my best friends up there. She said, "I just didn't know we were going to be playing defense so much. This is exhausting." And I said, "Yep. For everything we're trying to do, we're playing defense on a lot else." And I appreciate those of you who recognize that there's a lot of work, and we want y'all involved every step of the way. We're counting on you. We need the support and the effort on the ground and to keep us grounded as well, to remind us why we're doing this.
Well, you are a wonder woman. So, thank you so much, Mandie.
So are you. I'll come on anytime.
All right. Great. Keep doing what you do.
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