Good afternoon. My name is Ricardo Moore, Chair pro tem of this particular board of police commissioners meeting. If there's no objections from other commissioners, we'd like to take a 10 minute recess until the chairman comes. He should be in that time frame So 10 minute recess. Thank you.
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everyone in attendance, we took A 10 minute recess until the chairman arrives. Thank you.
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is now 311, I would like to call the board of police commission meeting, we have invocation reporting in Progress or in person by zoom. Good
afternoon, everyone.
Good afternoon.
Let us pray Spirit of the Living God, our Father. We, thank you for this day that you have made we, thank you for life, health and strength. We, thank you for each Commissioner represented here today, father. We, thank you for city, Detroit Police Department, and the chief of police as he leads the city. We also thank you for the city's leaders, Father, as they serve in their various capacities, we petition you this afternoon, Father, to bless this meeting in such a way that it is powerful, impactful and productive. Father, we ask that you permeate the atmosphere so that your presence is felt during this time. Empower those who have to make decisions, Lord with your wisdom to make wise decisions and sound judgment according to your will, father, we believe that you will get the glory out of all that is said and done, because we believe that what will be done would be for the betterment of this great city. Bless every participant today with a special blessing for their service to the city, we also ask that you bless the communities of the city as well as this great citizens. We thank you for all your grace and mercy, and we forever give you all glory, honor and praise it is in your precious, majestic and mighty name, we pray amen.
Amen. Thank you so much. So we are going to move to Oral Communications.
Thank you, Madam Vice Chair, we're going to start with the oral communication speakers in the room and the following order, Lieutenant Mark Young Miss Williams, Minister. Eric blunt, thank you. Good evening.
Point of water today.
I'll be brief, but I want to pick up on something that I did not say one
second. Sorry, yes, ma'am,
why are you not starting? I just did what it will assault to me when I walked in through the chair, what you did not
have a court. You have a quorum. Now,
through the chair, my answer that we wanted to wait for the chairman to actually be here for the meeting. So we wanted to keep the meeting going behalf or communication the chairs on this way. So that's why we moved oral communication up. Thank you, ma'am,
time has been restarted to two, two minutes. Thank you.
Good afternoon. I want to pick up where I left off last week I wanted it was something that I did not say that was powerful the community. Here is a lot of negative about the Detroit Police Department. Man, what they did not hear is about last Friday. She better send thank you. The brotherhood and sisterhood that was powerful, the impact that we make, that members of this department make on the brotherhood and sisterhood is also gone unnoticed. Sometimes I know the work that we do. I thank you. Your presence was powerful. You had no i no idea the impact of what some of them, young men, said after works. That impact is powerful for chief of police to come and do what you did, and say a few words that is encouraging in a society like this, a community like this, I just want to tell you thank you. On behalf of them, those are the stories that's not often heard about my great department and our great department. Also want to say to the leaders, the new leaders, the future leaders, you are outstanding group. I have no doubt that you are going to be the outstanding leaders that's going to continue to carry this department forward. Each one of you brings something to the table. Stay supportive of each other. Never be discouraged for every one situation that you hear of negative. I'm from this community, and there's 1000s and 1000s and 1000s of people that love, support and appreciate you that 911 when they call those 911 it's not out of fear, is because they know some courageous people are coming, and that's you. And the people that you leave also want to say to the members of this department, you are doing an outstanding job. It's never going to get easy. Leadership is being comfortable, being uncomfortable. And I have men and women that do that every day. I'm proud to be on this department, Madam
Chair. Thank you. I request that we call the meeting to order follow Robert rules, all in protocol of this board. Okay,
Commissioner Bill person, District Four, Commissioner Burton, present, Commissioner Carter, Commissioner more present, Commissioner Hernandez,
Commissioner Dewas present,
nine present.
Thank you, Madam Secretary.
I move for the approval of april 24 2025 agenda so
moved by
Bernard Bernard and second by the wash, where approval of the minutes for April 17, 2025 asked, Well, I'm sorry,
any discussion? Is there any discussion? None that you had no discussion.
Yes, through the chair we it's customary that we have a prepared packet for each Commissioner, which I don't see present for any of the nine commissioners that are here. I feel that we might be unprepared for this meeting, and I don't know where the source of that issue is, or I support
board on that right. That's
right. Want to amend the agenda.
I just
want to pack it onto what packet,
Madam Secretary, if I may,
through the chair. The packets are continuing to be prepared because of the volume of paper preparing for today's agenda, the all of the materials went out electronically. Unfortunately, due to technology our laptops, as well as the copiers. Today, we are utilizing not only our office copier as we speak, and I'm hopeful that it'll be down momentarily.
As the commissioner wish to post on this item
agenda, no item on the agenda.
They don't have any information, so they have nothing
post on the whole meeting,
okay? But the issue is, what does the commissioner want to do? If it stays on the agenda, then it will be addressed? What's the
estimated time for us to receive these packets
a tangible amount of time, not a guess,
through the chair, which is also part of the reason why we want to move all communication up. But
so should we call it recessing? Is your point, Commissioner, that because we don't have an agenda and we don't have the materials, we can't have a meeting,
I just think it's beyond disrespectful to us and also to our guests that we have in the public, to anyone who is a stakeholder on this agenda, which we have several individuals behind me and in the hallway, that's Correct. It's just completely unprofessional.
So what's your proposed remedy? I
would prefer recess. If everyone supports it, 10 minutes, right? 15
minutes.
How long would it take? It's maybe 15 minutes wasted.
Back off airplane. Everybody,
awesome. We don't
have question. Your question is, how long would it
call in the recess we're calling the 15 minute half packets, I'll make
a 15 minute a motion for a 15 minute resource report,
non debatable motion.
Have to vote Mr.
All in favor, say, Aye. Aye. And discussion. Anyone opposed the motion is carried.
Thanks. Recess for 15 minutes. Recess
for 15 minutes.
Recording stopped.
What I'm saying, that's what I'm saying. I
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oh, That's the call. Let
me, let me deeply apologize to citizens and to the even to the department everything we sorry for the glitches. There has been some technical problems coupled with some failures on our on our part, and we apologize that for that, and we would eat that, and we try to operate as efficiency as we possibly can. We didn't foresee some of the things, but we will move forward. So the board of police commission meeting is called back to order. Today is Thursday, April the 24th 2025 and the time is 329, we had invocation and all of that. And we accept, we approve the minutes and agenda. Agenda, excuse
me, Mr. Chair, could we allow media services to come back from that 15 minute process? Okay?
Thank you. Thank you. I have them come please.
Agenda had not been approved. It was being discussed.
Okay, all right, and we can,
and we will be entertained a motion to amend the agenda to Applause.
Two minutes, all right, two minutes every Morning.
Recording stopped.
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Okay, thank you. Again.
It's April, Thursday, April the 24th 2025 and the time is 333, the board of police commission is called back to order. We We left at the agenda. Left off on the agenda. What is the, what's, what is the pleasure as it relates to the agenda?
Chairman like to ask for oral communication. If you moved up as far as it can go, I guess to
for your report, Mr.
Chairman, I think the general we can approve the agenda. Then take it from there.
I'm asking for the agenda to be amended. Yep,
yep, all right, so motion made by Commissioner more to move the public comments up, and it was, is a second second by Commissioner Hernandez and discussion all in favor. Say, aye. Anyone opposed, the motion is carried and so and I would like to entertain the motion for the approval of the agenda with the necessary amendments moved by Commissioner Carter is second by Commissioner more any discussion, all in favor, say aye. Anyone opposed the motion is carried. Thank you. I'd like to entertain or we did the closed session. We approve those. I'd like to entertain a motion to for
the approval of the minutes of April 17, 2025
moved by commission Carter,
second by Commissioner Hernandez. What day did you say? April 17? 2025 okay. Okay, yep, all in favor. Say, aye. Anyone opposed? Motion is carried like to entertain a motion for the approval of closed session minutes for April the 17th, 2025 moved by Commissioner Moore, any discussion? All in second, by Commissioner Carter, any discussion, all in favor, say, aye. Anyone opposed, a motion is carried, and so we introduction of the bill. PC, staff,
staff present this afternoon, Sir, our attorney, Dante Goss chief investigator, Jerome Warfield, Drew freeze. Mary Barber, Teresa blossom, Candace. Hayes army, see a Joshua. John you Underwood, Doctor Francis Jackson, parliamentarian, DPD, HR, Director, Katrina Patillo, Chief, Chief of Police, tied medicine, our interpreters today on the Chicago and Doctor Stephanie beating court reported on handicide and rejection. Audio, show Charles Henry media services. Video, elected officials or representatives signed in at this time are as follows, Marie overall for state representatives, Tyrone Carter's office, Miss Bridger Butler, second, present Community Relations President LAN Davis of the Office of council member Fred der Hall, the third mark, young president of lieutenants and sergeants Association, Ron Thomas, President Detroit police officers of America, Scotty Bowman and former Detroit Police Commissioner William Davis. Those are signed in at this time, sir. Okay.
Thank you very kindly.
So the let's go to public comment.
Okay, Mr. Chairman, we heard earlier from Lieutenant Mark young. We are now at Miss Williams, followed by Minister Eric blunt. If there's someone else in the room who would like to speak before we go to zoom, please let me know by raising your hand. Thank you. Miss Williams.
Hello through the chair, 747,
25 the seven precinct came to 3426 Mack Avenue, that's an all women's shelter. So I want that note, I mean documented on this meeting right here, when they came in, they had cameras, and it was a good thing that I heard that they do not delete footage. Okay? And I like to know, how is it possible that someone who's been in prison or illegal citizenship, how did they get it even get on the Detroit Police Department. Don't you guys do background checks and fingerprints. This is not acceptable. They are on the Detroit Police Department website, walking across the stage, and this particular person I'm talking about, they're in my room. And also global alliance security is at 3426 Mack Avenue, and somehow they are associated with Detroit Police Department. Well, let me say this, officers. Let me correct myself, because there's no way possible a company with LLCs from California is working here in the state of Michigan and facilitating officers coming in and out that facility with their weapons, and it's a green light in front of that shelter. And when she White was the chief, he said they can look into the cameras and see exactly what they want to see at headquarters. So who are you guys looking at these officers coming in and out these facilities with their weapons and taking up bad space? That's something I would like to know here. Can you answer that?
Have any more comments?
Oh, I'm just asking a question, and you include a share that's above my pay grade. Okay? I just wanted to make sure this is documented, and today is 424. 25 Thank you and have a great day. Absolutely.
Good afternoon board. Good afternoon minister, Eric blunt, from Sacred Heart Catholic church right here in Detroit, to the brave young men and women who are going to be promoted today. Congratulations.
But unlike the union president,
the more reasonable view of your job is like a airline pilot. We don't hear of the 10s of 1000s of flights that land and take off safely. We hear about the crashes. So I say that to say that when a police officer doesn't do their job properly, someone can die. People can die, and that's how very important your job is, and that's the way most people in the community view it. Commissioner Linda Bernard, I'm demanding that you not do this again. You not tell these officers that you are going to vote to promote to stand up and accept your invitation for your professional and personal services. You said it's all well and good, and you have no problem with doing that, but you've done it once, you've been called out and you've not done it again. So I think there's a reason for that. Also. I am demanding from this police department and this board of police commissioners a weekly report on how many officers are suspended for how long, because the union president will sit up here and laugh and joke at me when I make the point that the union has a back door policy that most of these officers that are suspended Don't serve their full suspension and get their back pay, but he can laugh and joke about it, but this is serious business. Bad Behavior deserves a reasonable punishment and discipline. That's all we're asking. Thank you. Thank you. Next speaker, Mr.
Judge Dante Smith, and then we'll go into zoom. Good
afternoon. I just want to give a shout out to the chief. I appreciate you for being a stand up Ghana community and just a stand up officer. When I met your officer, you've been the same way for years and years and years. I appreciate that. I do want to say that we have in Michigan something called Red Flag laws, which means if you have a firearm, you can be petitioned by the court to have your fire removed. DPD has to my account at least two officers right now. It was three. Caleb Williams was reinstated, apparently. But there were, there are two officers currently who can't have a firearm, who are active police officers. That is a stark contrast. And they were removed there off their firearms, removed by other law enforcement agencies. That's a very bad thing to hear. My thing is, you know, there are officers who are doing very good jobs, officers doing bad jobs. My thing is, this board here is to be a beacon for the light of, you know, shedding line officers who are doing a bad job. Um, to hear the things are above your pay grade is interesting. Um, technically, you're not supposed to have a pay grade at this position. You're supposed to be an advocate for the people who file complaints. Right, especially as a person who's a chair, who served a long time in prison, who was wrongfully incarcerated, you would think that you will be very staunch on your position when it comes officers who come past who have specifically done wrong, like a Caleb Williams pointing a taser at his team, at his at his young nephew, whoever another family member, that's that's ridiculous. If I had a taser and I pointed at anybody in my family who was under the age of 18 or any but any age, I'm going to jail. I'm not gonna get slapped on the wrist. I'm not gonna beat my charges. Stuff like that is important, and to see this board vote to him, have him get paid is ridiculous. Also, I'm not gonna ever stop talking about Brandon COVID. That man makes 100 plus $1,000 a year. He set it home for six months. Sued the city, came out with some information that the city didn't want to go out, and he got all his back pay, and he's still on the force and still has the same position. Ridiculous.
Thank you very kindly.
As it relates to Officer Kayla V he's been fully filed not guilty of that crime by jury of his years, and I'm sure that he would do it again. He has a stellar record, and I absolutely didn't feel it necessary to suspend that young man without pay. But we have suspended and voted to suspend a number of officers without pay when they have done egregious things that young man deserve to go on with his life at the jury of his peers found him not guilty. Next speaker in
zoom, Mr. Real, followed by Tara Brown, followed by Nadia zad followed by Scotty Bowman,
Mr. Real.
Hey there woods. Listen up. Pay close attention. Tamara Libby Smith, listen up. Pay close attention. I told y'all I was not playing about Nini. That tag didn't come off her mother. So now I'm gonna do exactly what the f I said I was gonna do. And dear woods, you've been running around spitting stuff out your mouth, and over there on that board to spit stuff out your mouth. Nah, yeah, I got an F, but you got one too, man, and you shouldn't even be on the board of police commissioners holding that F down like you, hotier than thou. Now you Mike Duggan, henchman. That's why he appointed you. That's why he appointed Tamara Liberty Smith and Tommy, you played me on Mimi. Now, see, I ain't got no problem coming out the bag. I'm a real one, and I keep it a buck with everybody. A buck, a real buck, and I'm known as seven mile rule, six mile rule and joy road rule for a reason. I keep it 100 with everybody now. Y'all cheated in officials on the board of police commissioners, the ones that selected Janice Winfrey, been cheating in elections for years. Her and her little puppy, Gina Avery Walker, who follow her around like a puppy dog, and the mayor's cheated in, board of police commissioners cheating in. The school board is cheated in, the city council is cheated in. All elected officials. Is Heidi. Heidi in question, and I'm Mr. Real, and I said it, and it's the truth. The reason being, Janice and Gina been over there at the Department of Elections, cheating in elections for years and not affairs got to come in. They got to come in and clean this whole city up. That's where I'm going to turn it upside down. Now, when I call y'all out by name. I mean it, Darryl woods, Tamara Liberty Smith, appointees by my
next speaker, he said he sent it all to Donald Trump last week, so we'll see what Donald Trump do to us. You.
You Miss Brown,
you may be heard.
Miss Brown, are you there?
Can we get next speaker?
Is she me? Are you muted?
She appears be having a technical difficulty. I just see her mic available, okay, move to Nadia. Zaya. Zaya did find the mispronounce that, please accept my apologies. You may be
hurt. Yeah, you got you, got you.
And that is 100
that's the remix.
Miss Brown or Nadia zayyad,
are you? Are you guys? There
is anyone else i
Okay?
William Davis, former Police Commissioner, I show his mic is open.
Good afternoon. Could I be heard? Yes, sir, yeah, I have a lot of technical difficulties, aren't you? Yeah,
say the least.
You know, I like to say that I think that when y'all promote people, y'all should get an idea of how many of them actually live in the city, because far too often, it appears to me, there's too many officers live outside the city. Too many command officers live outside the city, and they have a right to live where they want to. But, you know, you should let the people know who they are, and also, also, also, I think it should be greater incentives for officers to move to the city and stay in the city. You know, I'm sure y'all could come up with some recommendations, and I'm sure we could possibly get city council to go along with it. But, you know, it hurts me to see so many officers, more and more and more living outside, living outside the city. Also, the four years that I was on, on the board, there never was an occasion where we didn't have the agenda. We had so many technical difficulties. Hopefully things will improve, and hopefully I'll have a better year. I see not everybody applied to run again. Interesting. Have a great day.
Thank you very kindly.
Uh, kindly. Any more speakers,
Miss Brown has rejoined us.
Okay. Ms, brown,
can you all hear me? Yes, ma'am, you may be hurry. We can hear you.
Yes, I apologize. I don't know what the technical difficulty was. I don't think it was on my end, but I just want to say, you know, again, I'm going to be labor this point. About this attendance, and I'm going to especially be labor it because y'all, some of y'all, are rude as hell to that Secretary. It's customary. It's unprofessional. It's unprofessional to be a voted official up in here and showing up to this meeting 10 minutes late all the time. Now, I get it. Darrell Woods had a plane to catch or whatever it was he had going on today. But again, the lack of disrespect to talk about disrespect and unprofessionalism to the damn board secretary, when people in the community actually voted for you all, when you all are late, you are not only wasting the time of the public. You are wasting taxpayer money. This is ridiculous. And again, to hear somebody up there say her name, Mister Hernandez, it's customary, and what's unprofessional? Yeah, get here on time and then chastise somebody about what's customary and unprofessional life happens. And just based on what I've been saying, this woman, like the last one you had, is doing the damn best that they can, and you all got more and more critiques than any than anybody that I've ever seen, more than the city council and more than any other elected officials. Y'all come in here like y'all got standards and all of this. It's YouTube reels of y'all and people making fun of em and talking about how, unprofessional this board of police commission is. So again, I want y'all to consider that just like you all have a job to do, so does that Secretary, and you might not like what she does, you might not like what she says, but it is her job to try to keep y'all in line as best she can. And yes, today she did not have the materials ready, and that may or may not have been her fault, but damn it, life happens, and y'all coming in here, chastising her in public is so inappropriate. It was inappropriate when y'all did it to Vicky, and it's inappropriate now, especially when you all don't even know how to follow Robert's Rules of Order. Have a good day.
Thank you very kindly. Any more speakers? Scotty Bowman,
Yeah, hello, everybody. I just wanted to remind you, and I'll keep reminding you that your primary duty is to investigate complaints and to rule on those with the help, of course, the chief investigators office, the fact that at an earlier meeting, we came to learn that there's maybe three years of backlog on least some of the complaints, leads us to a point where we need to really Look at what's happening with the budget. When this board requests a budget, are you requesting a budget to hire more investigators? You clearly need more investigators. I understand you have more officers. I think with that should come more investigators, whether you're prioritizing that way, and that is, I think, number one, number two and number three, as far as priorities go. And then after that, of course, you have matters of policy, and you you need to have this board support, more transparency, earlier release of body a cam video, especially if there's an incident where there have been complaints, so that there is, you know, more oversight of the public of this oversight board. Thank you for your time.
Thank you very kindly,
Mr. Chairman. One more.
Nadia zayad,
you may be heard.
Nadia, Zaya, are you there?
Going, once, gone, twice, born, three times. Are you there?
Can you? There's no connectivity, okay, all right, all right, so let's go to the chief of police report.
Oh. Um, good afternoon to this honorable didn't I have a report? Uh,
no, I digress. I better shut up.
Yeah, yeah, Amen.
All right. Um, good afternoon to this honorable board. I'll start out with just an overview of where we are as far as our crime statistics and so our homicide number, we're 10% below we were last year at this time, 10% below. So we've had 43 homicides as of this year. Last year, this time, we had 48 non fatal shootings, significant reduction, 31% we have 103 today. As of last year, we had 150 robberies. 15% reduction this year, 249 last year, 293 total part one crimes to violent crimes, a 9% reduction in carjacking is our most significant decrease at this point, which is a 32% reduction last year, this time we had 21 carjackings. I'm sorry, this year we have 21 carjackings. Last year, this time we had 31 in all of our violent crimes, we are down so the hard work of the men and women of the Detroit Police Department, along with our community violence, interrupters and just with the citizens communicating with us, the department and eyes and ears, radio patrol, etc, us together as Detroit, we are continuing the downward trend as far as crime in the city, community updates. One of the of course, complaints being in touch with the community that we often get is our seniors and some of our residential senior citizen buildings. And so we know that oftentimes we get complaints of individuals time to take advantage of our seniors, where they congregate and where they live. And so that is a focus of the Detroit Police Department. Early in April, we had officers, our officers from narcotics, and the seventh precinct conducted a search warrant at one of our I won't name the senior citizen complex, but one of our senior citizens apartment buildings. The search warrant resulted in six felony arrests or misdemeanor arrests, and the following confiscations. It was 20.6 grams of fentanyl. And you know that that might not sound like a lot, but with fentanyl, it's a lot, and it can be quite deadly. 29.6 grams of cocaine. We got three handguns as a result of that, and $3,600 in currency, and so that will continue to be a focus. We know that at one of our senior citizen complexes, over the past month, we've had a couple overdoses, and we know that many folks are overdosing off of whether it's pills or other drugs that have fentanyl in it, going to a more brighter side our seniors and law enforcement together yesterday, officers from the third precinct in our community outreach and engagement unit held a free workshop for elderly residents at the Heritage place at the Magnolia residents were able to engage with officers and learn valuable information as far as being healthy, exercising and Things of that nature. And since we're talking about community outreach and engagement unit, the second deputy chief, Kyra Holt, she has moved on. She turned in her resignation, and so we wish her well, and she did a great job while she was here. So I just wanted to update the community and everyone regarding that, also recruiting events, always hiring even though we're at a 99% feel rate and. Yesterday, the recruiting team attended the bill the bell Bill high school career fair. Today, the recruiting as of today, they're out in Taylor at a career fair, and on Friday, the recruiting team will be at the Redford Union High School recruiting as well. So I'm at a 99% feel rate, but we do have an attrition rate, roughly of about 10 to 15 per month, and so we have to constantly be in a state of recruiting child abuse awareness event Saturday, April 26 11am to 3pm at the Hillman Recreation Center Department Special Victims Unit will be hosting an outdoor event to raise awareness about child abuse, and the event will have, of course, for the youth, face painting, bounce house, refreshments for the children, etc. And then also Saturday, just letting the community know that if you have prescription drugs in your cabinet, etc, you can take it to any precinct, because it is the DEA drug take back. And that's going to happen from 10am to 2pm the community would be able to dispose of any unused medication safely and anonymously at any Detroit Police Department precinct. And so our neighborhood officers work very hard on that to ensure that we don't have given our community a way to dispose safely of their prescription medication. And women in blue, we have started to share the stories of the 19 nominees of the women in blue of the year on our Facebook page, so we encourage the community to visit our DPD Facebook page and check out what's happening. And so the women of blue event will be may 22 2025 tickets are available from the Detroit Public Safety Foundation. No critically injured department members to report for the week of April 17 through April 23 and at this time, I'm open for any questions to the board. Yes,
sir, Commissioner banks,
thank you. Through the Chair, Chief medicine, you and your administration are down in crime in a lot of different categories from a year ago. What's the strategy? What's the method you coming in and breaking these areas down and crime and, you know, very strongly, what's the method? What's the strategy?
It's just continuous, relentless, working together, engagement and us, you know, I got a phenomenal team behind me and so and not just a phenomenal team when it comes to law enforcement, a phenomenal team with community and so support. You think about the Mayor of the City Council, the board of police commissioners. You all have given the Detroit Police Department the tools that we need via technology be a officer raises, so that we always were good at the department as far as being able to hire individuals, but being able to retain them. And so now we got officers who left who want to actually come back. So it's that strategy as well. And then our community violence interrupters, CVI. And I'm happy to report also that a couple days ago, I believe it was on Monday or either Tuesday, the house representatives of the state of Michigan, they just approved and passed the public safety Trust Fund, which will funnel another $18 million to the city of Detroit, and so it still has to go to the Senate. But all of those things working together, pulling it up to enhance public safety, that's really the strategy, and I can't take pride,
okay? I mean, right, yes, one year ago, didn't chief White had that same phenomenal team.
So it's my continue. Let me answer this chief, white, great police chief, phenomenal team, always looking for continuous improvement. And so you tweak here, you tweak there, and then we build upon the success. And so that's what we're doing. We're going to just keep on building upon the success. And so when it comes to whether it's technology, when it comes to community engagement, when it comes to additional trust, and when it comes to just different strategies and doubling down, being able to actually get the right folks you know who are committing some of the crimes, and rehabilitate and offer additional opportunities to people as well. Because if you offer a person a job and you get them to really inspire individuals and our young people, we're inspiring a lot of young people our pal, I added some additional officers to PAL in. All of that has an impact when you can prevent crime and deter crime from happening in the same at the same time. So we're going to do the and we're going to do this and that and this and that, and continue to push crime down. It's always doing more.
I got one more. Yes, sir. I'm
gonna hold up. I'm gonna let it go. I'm gonna go praise the Lord. Commissioner boy, Commissioner, but not. Thank
you, Mister Chief, your predecessor brought a officer before us to
me like that, you bummer. I'm sorry.
Your predecessor brought an officer before us to suspend him without pay, and we did acquiesce, and we did suspend the individual without pay. I just found out recently that it was for abuse, which I did during the closed door session, but that that individual was drunk on duty. I just found that out, and not only was he drunk on duty, but people on that shift knew this person had alcohol problem, going back a little bit further to the fifth policing where you had a murder suicide with the officers.
Officers knew it, supervisors knew it,
and they just kind of like ignored it. So that concerns me, that people are helping each other within the ranks, officers have to take care of one another. As the union president said, officers have to take care of one another. Supervisors have to take care of officers. It's a cheaper, separate philosophy, and they have to take care of them. And it's not always popular to do such, but they have to do it. They have to do the heavy lifting. And they represent you management to sergeants and Lieutenant so what are the policies and procedures in place to help officers who have substance abuse and mental health issues?
Yeah, so I have a whole unit, and it really starts, it's all of us, but it's a philosophy. And you know, from the top down, and I believe in communication, not only from the top down, but bottom up in all and I'm glad that you raised the question, because we have our family unit, and so the family unit you've heard about is not only for the community, where we wrap our rhymes around arms around individuals who have experienced trauma and hurt in the community. And we got our chaplain court, etc, but it's internally as well. So with in the family unit, we have our peer support unit, and Sergeant Tony Potts oversees that, and he reports up to Captain Whitmer. And so a peer support under that also falls sober shields. And so the shoulder shields deals with individuals that have the substance use disorder, and I'm talking internally Now police officers and so we look at alcoholism as a disease, and also for the DPOA members, individual that has tested positive because we do drug tests for marijuana in their system. And that was so complicated, because we know that marijuana is legal, and back in the day, it was individuals that you just will smoke it. That's how you got it in your system. Now you get it in your system, you can eat it. It's so many different ways, and Lord, forbid you go to a concert. You know, I was just talking to my cousin today. She went to the Chris Brown concert, and she had some good seats, y'all, and she said it was so much weed being smoked there that she thinks she got a contact, you know. So my members have to work concerts like that, etc, and you go get drug tested, and it could be the CB, the CBD. That's another whole issue where they sell it at Kroger's and everywhere else they sell it as a health and vitamins, and it's not regulated per se. But all I'm saying is educating our members, because you don't know exactly how or DPD members cannot and should not take CBD, even though it's advertised for health because the thing says it doesn't have THC. But our systems are so intricate when it comes to the actual detection of THC that that could cause it to go off as well. And so when it does go off, members are suspended, and it creates a whole problem. So you know, with me as chief, and I know with my legal advisor, Grant Harper, how we're doing our best to put out things to educate our members. But many members now, because of the ingestion you go to a party, somebody feeds you something. You pick up a brownie or something. And I don't know if it's brownies or whatever. It could be a gummy but you can have something in your system, or folks don't view it as quite the same. But to answer your question, our peer support making sure that we treat it as a disease and making sure our officers get the help that they need now, a hard illicit drug, absolutely not. It's some things, you know, if it pops up and it comes back, cocaine or something like that, I mean, you're completely out of here. You can't explain to me how you got that one in your system. It better be some logical
stuff, not guessing. I'll wrap it up with this. You know, either we recruited the officers with the issues that they have, we're talking about mental health and substance abuse, or they develop, develop the issue while they're on the job, coming from stress. So I just want to be able to take care of members, so when they come before the board. We're not hitting them so hard. That's been a major discussion with this board before you, you know, arrived, that we don't, at least, I don't want to suspend the officer for something that we brought them into or they had, you know, developed while they were with us. So that's my issue, and that's why I was asking for the research to be done through your Chief of Staff of the mandatory drug tester, and not only drug testing, but the substance abuse proactively. And how is the health care? How are those negotiations going?
You know, I will have to get back to you as far as the health care aspect of it, but I will tell you that we have ramped up our drug testing, and I could get that report to you where compared to this year, last time, done a lot more and our random drug testing, and we wrapping our arms around our members, and some of the Things are contractual as of how it is now where members of the LSA, if they get a positive hit for marijuana, per se, that's automatic termination. Versus DPOA, you you get up to two chances
in closing. Chief, I'm happy with the leadership at the second, sixth and 10th precincts. You've been transparent with us, you know, and I just appreciate it. First, AC your chief of staff, fabulous. So thank you very much. Thank
you, Commissioner. More addition to that, we we do want to see a more robust response to substance use disorder and mental health issues within the department, and I don't know, Madam Chairwoman, do you guys get to the substance use disorder policy? Yeah, I haven't gotten there there. So I think there's a lot of potential to be able to make sure that we look at 21st century practices and be able to make sure that there's a stronger and robust response to to that
absolutely chairperson was, and I thank you for that. And you know, I'm a person that believe in second chances, and I believe in supporting our officers, and I think that if you speak to the DPOA, they'll tell you that I'm very creative in supporting our officers, and in, you know, I support community as well, but this is a very stressful job, and without the appropriate support, it can cause individuals to turn to things that are not so healthy as a coping mechanism. So we have to ensure that we're providing them all of the support that they need, especially our young officers, because we do hire at 18 years of age, and we and some of the things that individuals see, we know it what it can lead to. Thank you very kindly.
Yes, ma'am, just a couple of things I'd like to highlight, actually, that the department is doing. First of all, I want to congratulate you on the work that you get to get the public the trust fund initiative passed by the legislature. I was present when you had the Bucha, the sheriff from Oakland County and the sheriff from Wayne County, and all the community police chiefs from Inkster everywhere else here to with the with the members of the Michigan Legislature to encourage them to do this, and what it means for the persons in In this room and for our community is that 1% of the sales tax, which is six cent, as you everybody knows on I can't on anything that you buy, 1% of the sales tax now will go in into the public safety I'm calling public safety trust fund, and and Detroit is going to get the majority of this first batch of money, which is like 80 million, I think so congratulations. I know that you went up you. I remember when you were in the audience for the governor, for her state of the state, and for everything else you've been in Lansing almost more than Detroit, trying to get this, get this passed, and you did it. So congratulations to you. But secondly on what you said, Yeah, I agree.
I gotta say one clarification point. So it has passed out of the house, now is moved to the Senate, so it'll pass. Yep, I just, you've got to know the fight continues, right? But we getting close, right? Thank you.
It's gonna it's gonna happen. The second thing is that you mentioned the fact that there was either cocaine or fentanyl or something in senior citizen housing. I think that the community thinks it's in order to be in senior citizen housing, you have to be over 60 or over 65 but that's not true. Senior citizen housing can also be used as a result of the of the of the federal regulations for people who are simply handicapped. If I'm 25 and I'm in a wheelchair then and I've lost the use of my legs permanently, for example, then I can live in a senior citizen place. So it's for not just seniors, but people who are severely disabled, but continue to be mobile, so to speak. The other thing I wanted to point out was that if anyone in this room has anybody that is the child of a former or current Detroit police officer who's getting ready to go to college that they could, they should apply for the T berry scholarship. 2025, all you have to do is write an essay. It's $1,000 it's not a lot of money, but it's some money. And if you need it, then you might want to apply. And the essays are evaluated and graded and and perhaps your child or grandchild and niece nephew will qualify. Finally, there is on May 1. It's your What did I see here? I'm sorry. It's a city wide community day of prayer, so all the ministers are going to be convening their parishioners and obviously to pray. That's also the day that the Pope is going to be buried. So some of us will be watching that, but for those in the community that that want to see want to participate in the city wide day of community prayer. It is on Thursday, May 1, at 11am now may 1 is also Law Day for the whole country, for the United States of America. So there'll be a lot of events related to the law, law enforcement and, of course, lawyers. So I just wanted to call those things to the attention of the community and to again, congratulate you on, on having the forum in this room with everybody present. The people at the desk downstairs were, oh, the sheriff Bucha said, all the sheriffs here, what's going on? You know, they thought it was something something bad, but it was something good. Thank you. Thank
you very kindly. Alright, so we're going to move there. If there's no more questions, we're going to move and I'll just ask the secretary to make sure that the Take Back the Night flyer is on the BOP see Facebook page and our website. So I think that's vitally important. I was coming from Nashville, from the RX conference, and which is to continue to be a major epidemic. The Attorney General was there, you know, and other folks from the administration deal with some of these issues, but make sure that we put that on our website. And so let's go to these promotions the
you can wish your pleasure, Chief, what are you asking of this board?
So I've submitted a list for the promotion of Lieutenant sergeants and detectives and are requesting based off of the list and the conversation that those members be promoted and for the community, as I've talked about, being At 99% staffing rates. And now Spring is finally upon us. The weather is breaking, and we know that. And what happens during the summer? As the young folks say, Everybody comes outside, and so the Detroit Police Department will have additional officers out, and they need to have appropriate supervision. And so this is the reason that I'm requesting of the board to approve these promotions, because our officers need appropriate span of control. And for members of the community, when you look at the positions that are available for the various ranks, that means that those sergeants, those lieutenants and those detectives have either retired or moved on in their vacancies. And when you think about just the detective rank alone, after officers make a rest and citizens are calling for the office of the Office of the Chief Investigator, etc. One of the things that many members will say is, Well, I haven't heard from my detective. You know, they have to be able to investigate these cases, and everybody who's been the victim of a crime, once their detective on the case is also sergeant, said, oversee the detectives to make sure that the detectives are on the case as well as the lieutenants, and so that is the reason, Mr. Chairman, we need the promotions to be approved by the board and expeditiously, as we know that the warmer days are ahead of us as we prepare for the summer. Okay? Here, yes,
sir, I'll move to approve the recommendation of Chief medicine to promote the following individuals to the rank of lieutenant, Sergeant McHale Granberry, Sergeant Melanie O'Rourke, Sergeant Richard mclacher, Sergeant Glenn Anderson, Sergeant Patrick Tom Thomas sick, Sergeant Kevin Alfred, Sergeant Timothy Vernon, Sergeant Terry Kennedy and Sergeant Cornelius O'Leary. Second
motion made by Commissioner more to promote the stated sergeants to lieutenants and second by Commissioner Hernandez, any discussion. My only question, do you want to bring them in? I need to stay them for the record.
There were two names that were not Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We know what we know.
Okay, you're going to handle it separately.
Yes, yes, we're very focused, driven and purpose driven right now. Thank you. You want to have them come in, they're here, okay. Can you hear? Can you stand?
Sergeant Tom sec here.
Okay. Thanks, okay, um, all in favor say aye, aye. Anyone opposed the motion is carried. Congratulations. I thought one
of them was already Lieutenant. I'm not going to say,
Well, we thank you for your service, and we thank You. You. These are we are heavily scrutinizing these. These are very important to us, and we are doing our due diligence as a board to make sure that what we put our name on is very integral on our end. And we you have, we have looked at your backgrounds and and we have seen that you guys are doing a stellar work for the citizens of the city, Detroit. We absolutely need you, and we want to give the chief every two that he need to continue to bring crime down in our city and continue to make the city of Detroit safe. And thank you for helping us make us safe and so again, God bless you, and we'll be praying for you. Don't come on our radar, though. Thank you. God bless you.
What is the pleasure of the board? I guess we get the other group to come in of, hey.
What walk up with the chair. I like to make a motion to approve medicines recommendation.
Hold one second, say that
through the chair, simply asking if the candidates could walk up as they're being read by Commissioner Moore. Okay,
yes, they all get in the room, letting us okay.
Stan, when their names
are called, Commissioner Hernandez suggested they just walk forward. You know, you know when they name is called,
you're ready? Mr. Chair, yes. Mr. Chairman, I move to approve the following individuals to the rank of sergeant, recommended by Chief medicine. Detective Kimberly sterner, Police Officer Anthony
Williams, if you hear please come forward, maybe when you hear your name call, thank you.
Police Officer Tabitha Sears, police officer Rochelle riddle, police officer Jacob Hebner, Detective Dion Corbin, Detective Haley now. Police Officer Kendall Jefferson, my MPO Police Officer Joseph Easton, police officer Blake Navarre police officer Danielle honeycut, police officer Jace Justin Hearn, Detective Haley Maxson Police Officer Robert Dale, Detective Alexis Campbell, police officer Zachary Cooper, Corporal Nicholas Murphy, Detective Jennifer Adams, Detective Gary Buffington, Detective Eric Smith, Detective Larry Jenkins, police officer Gabrielle Simpson, police officer Matthew Webb, police officer Darwin Smith and police officer Emily James.
Second motion made by Commissioner more to promote to police officer detectives to the rank of sergeant, and it was just stated once on the record, and it was second by Commissioner Hernandez, any discussion, all in favor, say, Aye. Aye. Any one of those? Because some of these are detectives now, right? And here, this is Sergeant, yeah, so I would just recognize is that these are officers and detectives in here that's going, that's being promoted to sergeant. Okay, all right, it's all good. I'll talk to you later. That's what girl she does. She is very, very doing a phenomenal job. Thank you for your hard work in this in this regard as well, the motion is carried. The motion is carried. Thank you. Congratulations to you all, and again, we have scrutinized your backgrounds. We have taken a deep dive into your backgrounds, and we really appreciate the services that you have provided for citizens of the city of Detroit, many you have have done over and beyond on the call of duty, and we thank you for your service again, as we told the ones who's going to be lieutenants, don't come across our radar. God bless you and continue to be a blessing to the citizens of the city of Detroit. Thank you. Very kindly give them another hand
here. Yes, I just want to say as well, congratulations to everybody, but special congratulations to Sergeant Webb, who was a member of my program. Wow, wow. I'm glad to see him here, and very proud of him.
She loves about 12.
He knew, Okay.
Mr. Chairman, yes. Resident issue came up once again, these meetings, I for my people in the community, we've been living with non resident quite some time. Yes, when you patronize Saint John or your teachers or your lawyers, you don't ask where they live. So you want service and these men women outstanding, I want to say thank you and wish you the best in your career.
Absolutely, and and there are incentives for you to move to the city of Detroit. If you want to move to the city of Detroit, I think they got some breaks right for anyone will move to the city of Detroit that's a police officer, so, but hey, we understand how that has that has happened, but thank you for your service to the citizens of the city of Detroit, and then God bless you all. We be praying for you guys.
You may be blessed.
I did that on behalf of commission.
What happened? You may be
Oh, okay, okay, okay.
I deserve
Okay, cool, you're right, Commissioner,
Um, you get another group.
Okay? Oh,
hey, Commissioner, Bill, we got about 50 people being promoted to the 60 people. I bet you know. A lot of them don't know.
Okay, yeah,
okay. What is the pleasure,
Mr. Chairman Move to approve the recommendation of Chief medicine to the following individuals to the rank of detective when I call your name, can you please step up towards the front? Corporal John suggest. Police Officer Marissa Snyder, police officer Dylan Hanson, police officer geared mcalp, police officer Zachary Barrick, police officer Jacob Browning, police officer one, one. Police Officer Derek Daniel, Corporal Ariana Smith, police officer Donovan Wheeler, police officer crystal Anderson, Police Officer James O'Shea, Corporal Douglas March, Police Officer Richard bar more Corporal Christian Lewis and police officer use of barrel. Second
motion made by Commissioner more
officers and corporals to the rank of police officers. That is, that has been stated. And second by Commissioner Hernandez, all in favor. Say, aye. First of all, let me ask any discussion all in favor. Say, aye, Commissioner, you
need to give them the rank of detective. You said, pause,
okay, thank you. They will be promoted to the rank of detective. Thank you. We almost messed that up.
That's why you get paid all the big bus.
So all in favor, let me say it over.
The motion was made by Commissioner Moore and second, my Commissioner Hernandez to promote to the rank of detective, the list the name and the names that was articulated on the record, any discussion, just one question, Yes,
Officer O'Shea,
your officer O'Shea, yes, ma'am, okay, I wanted to, I was going to ask you a question, but it's not relevant now. But thank you very much. Okay, and congratulations.
Okay, all in favor say, aye, aye. Anyone opposed, the motion is carried again. Thank you very timely for your service. Come on, give him a hand. Thank you for your great service to the citizens of the city of Detroit. We We have scrutinized your records and your background, and you have come to the point where we can put our name on this, and we appreciate everything that you're doing for the citizens of the city of Detroit. Are we going to be praying for you, and we wish you the best again, as I told the other two groups, don't come across our radar. You know, I'll let you want to be promoted again, you know, so God bless you. And anything that we can do as a board to be able to help, we always here to be able to be supportive for those who are doing the good work for the citizens of the city of Detroit, God Bless you all. Give them another hand.
Be blessed.
You that's good. No, that's good. No, that's good. I'd rather see that
taking emails. I
You next group. Oh, somebody can then, that's it. Oh, thank the Lord. All right, so there were, she's the parliamentary woman, if straight enough, some for the record, there were some names that we have to continue to do further background and research on, and we will do our due diligence and be able to put that on the agenda for next week. Do I need? I need to make a motion for that? Do I Okay? Thank you. And so chief, you want to say any worse before we go to the next thing,
I'd just like to thank this honorable board for definitely, and I know that we submitted the names. And you know I thank you Chair, because the chairperson actually was out of town, and he flew back in for this meeting. And so I thank you for that, because, as I said, I definitely need these new supervisors on the street to provide that supervision and oversight for the members of the Detroit Police Department, and so thank you, board of police commissioners for giving me and the citizens of Detroit the tools, giving me the tools that I need to be able to provide the best possible public safety. So I really thank you for that, and I thank all members of the board and your staff as well your due diligence. And we truly appreciate
you absolutely. Thank you. And we also want to acknowledge the staff who just work day in and day out to be able to get all this stuff done, this massive amount of work where none of us are perfect. And I know some of this stuff was frustrating for some of the board members, but we did. We're way able to get some things electronically, and we also have the physical records as well. So thank all of the staff members who have played a role in making it happen. And your chief of staff was very, very stellar. Our machine broke down and and she came in and was able to make sure that we was able to get as much help as we could. And so thank everyone, and I thank the board members for your diligence. This is a sacre work and some and I have to say this, as the chairperson of the board of police commission, you know, my chairmanship is up very, very soon. This is not an egotistical position for me, but this is an act of service from my heart and soul, and I want to thank all of the board members who have been dedicated and serving the citizens of the city of Detroit. Sometimes folks come in and try to beat up on the board and as the leader, you know, as the chair. And I don't all of us are leaders, you know, and I serve at the pleasure of this board to be the chair, but I want to thank you guys. This is a weekly pass. We have committee meetings. We are doing everything that we can to be able to address citizen concerns. Everything is not pretty, but this is God's work, and this is something that was established by Coleman Alexander young, and we try to do it in the spirit of Coleman Young, to make sure that the citizens are being treated with dignity and respect, and that we are being very fair and just to the department and working with the department to give them the tools that they need to be able to make sure that this city is safe. And so I asked the audience to give this board a hand for their dedication, because, you know, this is, this is not good, this and this is not pretty work. You know, these people work jobs and getting paid about $5 you know, to come in here to, I don't even know how much we get paid. That's a little small stipend, but it's an act of service and dedication to the citizens. So thank you all board members for the great work that you do, and also, God bless you all. Yeah,
I just had a question, I guess it's for the chief of for the first AC. Can you explain what Tom stat is, and can you tell me how the second precinct did today.
I'll start out, and then I'll let first AC let you know exactly how the second precinct I didn't attend the whole meeting, but CompStat is computer and statistical analysis of crime, and Bill Brandon, out of the city of New York, actually was the architect of it, and based off of him, holding command officers accountable and looking at The data, and you will often hear times of putting the cops on the dots. And so if you have a map, and you create the heat map of crime, and you can see the little dots of where burglary happened, and you look at the time of day to be able to deploy the resources, you're able to say, Okay, if you're the commander of this precinct where crime is happening the burglaries at this time of day, and it's happening on Sundays day of week, and it's happening between like 7am and 12 noon, and you start to really say, Well, what's going on at that time? Why would they target this area? Is because folks are at church, the B and E man, the burglary guy knows and so key targets and so with the data, it helps police professionals make the decisions as to how to deploy their resources. And so we put it up, and the chief, the assistant chiefs, the deputy chiefs, will have the precinct commanders in along with their team, and we're showing them the data, which they should have already looked at the data, and they needed to tell us of how they're deploying the resources to further push down and reduce crime in the community. And that's virtually and basically what it is. But first they see how did the second precinct do today?
Yeah. Charles Fitzgerald to the chair, sir, they did outstanding. We had some guests from Columbus. PD were here, sat here, and made them extra nervous. We put one slide up that showed where their part one crime is, where they're deploying their people. And then we even put the AVL, which is the vehicle locator on it. And they are consistent with everything the commander, that brand new captain of the second precinct, she was completely locked in. She had all the information she needed. They stumbled on a couple of cases, because we do a little deep dive on cases too, but it was issues like case notes. But then the commander could come right back and say that that same detective had 146 cases, and she missed two case notes. So they did outstanding, sir. I think you'd be proud
of them. Thank you very much, because I know they were working through the chair hard way into the evening, preparing themselves for that. So a lot goes into preparation for this, and they put in the work. So I'm happy and proud of both of them. Thank
you. You bet. Okay, thank you very kindly. I think we had some presentations for the board, Madam secretaries, that's what's on the agenda.
Yes, there is a presentation from the department technology, utilization, efficacy, license readers and facial recognition. You have the printed hard copy in your clip today. You have it. It is on the screen,
okay? Thank you.
Yes, sir, you may be hurt
through the Chair. Thank you Good afternoon, Commissioner and to this honorable board today. We're here to talk about two of our technologies, facial recognition and license plate readers. If we can go the next slide, we're going to start with facial recognition. I think it's important to start with
kind of can you hold on one second. Um, yes, sir, so you said we have that packet. It's okay.
She's trying to find it in the middle
of the package. Okay. Do you find? Oh,
okay, I know, but I won't not, right,
right?
Okay, presenters, all right, we have it now. All right,
you go ahead, sir,
for the Chair. Thank you.
To begin with facial recognition, I think it's important to make sure that everybody is on the same page when we say those words. So what we mean is really two things that kind of come together to create a comprehensive program. So the first is, is the obvious side of it, which is the software, right? Biometric software, it uses, you know, deep learning algorithms, which fall under broadly the category of artificial intelligence, that compare an input image to a database of images, right? So in this case, we are loading a image that we obtain from the scene of a crime, it could be from surveillance footage or something like that, and comparing it to mug shots. Now what happens behind the scenes is that software is taking measurements of all of these pictures, right? So the facial structure, and you can see some examples would be the distance between the eyes, the thickness of the lips, angles, things of that nature. It's then comparing photographs and generating kind of a confidence score. Think of it as intelligent search, right? It's returning a subset of images from that database that are worth having our examiners look for, look through. And that moves us into the second thing we say, we mean when we say facial recognition, and this is morphological comparisons. So these are, this is a human centric process, right? Anytime we deploy technology, we surround it with the human centric process. And in this case, we have our analysts. In this case, they are trained examiners, right? They receive training from the FBI, and then we do some internal training on policy and usage as well. And once they complete that training, they're authorized by the department to run facial recognition searches. Now that training goes into making those comparisons and judgments between two photos, right? Photos can be at different angles. There can be photo quality, you know, variation, but they're trained to work through those things and make determination. So they take what's returned by the software, and then they compare side by side, that input probe photo with all of those return photos until they make a determination. And our process requires that once an examiner, examiner makes a determination, they think they have a possible lead, it is reviewed and confirmed by independently by another trained examiner, and then, if they agree, it goes to a supervisor for the final review before it can be sent out as a lead to investigative units. Next slide, please. So our policy right? So you know, this board will be aware of some recent policy updates. We have worked closely with the ACLU to develop our current policy, and it's considered one of the strongest in the country for preserving civil liberties, and we are continuously working on internal processes to make sure that we will always adhere to this policy and always just shore up and tighten up internally any chance we can, as the chief mentioned earlier, this department is just always about continuous improvement. A few key points in this policy that I think are worth noting here we limit the type of crimes that we're allowed to run facial recognition on. So that would be anything defined by the FBI as a part one violent crime that includes criminal homicide, it includes rape, that includes aggravated assault and non fatal shooting, and then robbery and carjacking. And we also include first degree home invasion, which would be defined in MCL as a burglary of an occupied residents, or a burglary where the offender has a dangerous weapon with them, so the threat of harm to a homeowner or resident is imminent. We also, we don't use this as part of surveillance. There's no real time facial recognition, we can take a still image loaded into an entirely separate application and produce a possible lead that way. So again, you know, it's not for surveillance. It can't be used on live video feeds. We don't use it for predictive analysis, right? We're not trying to say this is somebody we think will commit a crime, right? We have to have reasonable suspicion that the individual is connected to commission of one of these crimes. We don't use it for violate first, fourth or 14th Amendments, right? There's protected any it can't be used for protected public speech events. And then this is really important. It's not considered a positive identification, right? This is just a lead. Additional corroborating evidence is required before a arrest warrant can be submitted or a probable cause arrest can be made, right? And all of that additional corroborating evidence now has to be documented and approved by the commanding officer of the unit that is handling the investigation and the commanding officer of investigative operations. So there's a lot more scrutiny on the investigative side before we go from potential lead to arrest. Next slide please. We've put up some usage stats for the last two years, as you can see, in 2023 we ran 102 total facial recognition searches produced 40 possible leads. In 2024 we ran 27 total searches and produced 15 possible leads. The demographic breakdown is available here too, highlighting that in 2024 3.7% of those input images were female, 96.3%
were male. 96.2%
were black individuals. And in 2023
5.9% of the input images were female, 94.1% were male, and 94.2% were black males overall. I'm sorry, were black Overall, about 90% of the input images are black males.
Next slide, please.
So that wraps up our presentation today on facial recognition, and we'll move into license plate readers, another one of our technologies. The board should be aware we've had some recent expansions in this area. So a license plate reader, excuse me,
yes, I was wondering, would it be good to ask questions for each section as you finish,
yeah, you can ask question anytime you want.
Okay, I have a few questions with your first presentation to on the facial recognition
you want to ask now, yes, okay,
where you indicate? Thank you, Chair you indicate, I believe it's the first page examiners receive training from the FBI. What is the extent of the training? How many hours do they receive, or days
through the chair? The training is, I believe it's three and a half days. And it's an in depth training where modules are focused on individual facial features, right? So they will spend a decent chunk of time working on, you know, comparing ears, another chunk of time comparing eyes, noses, mouths. There's also a decent amount of time given to images where angle might be slightly different, right? A face may be a little off center, or another face may be, you know, tilted down. They work through some image quality issues and things like that. And so at the end of it, the, you know, they take some some tests with the FBI. And at the end of it, the FBI will sign off and say that you know they've met their kind of they have a good understanding of conducting these human morphological comparisons.
Thank you. And then I have a couple more. Yes, ma'am, where you indicate on the page measuring the measurements for 23 and for 24 What is the reason for such a significant decrease, in 23 you had 102 total searches, and in all of 24 you only had 27
through the chair. That's correct. I think as part of these negotiations on the new policy, we have made a conscious decision to not use facial recognition as an initial tool, right as just an additional safeguard and guardrail for this process that we encourage precincts to exhaust every other possible lead and then submit facial recognition requests If everything else runs cold, and so we're seeing the incoming request decrease, right? And and so again, right? We don't run every request right, and that, we determine some things might not meet policy, and we deny that request. And certainly we're seeing through the training that we've rolled out as part of the settlement agreement with the ACLU and this additional,
you know, kind of, you know, what you know, safeguard that
we put, and let me add that this settlement agreement is with the gentleman, I think it's Mister Williams, right, that is kind and who was victimized By facial recognition, and so the person who had been victimized by it was able to come to the table and work with the department and work with the ACLU and the University of Michigan Civil Rights class, Mike Steinberg and our policy director And, or excuse not a policy directed by a policy chair and a policy committee to be able to come up with robust policy. And so that's why you see the the change in those numbers. And so that type of robust engagement has been very, very effective, and I don't think, I think the community should be very aware of how we got to this point
that's very significant. Thank you. And just one last, one, last question, why? How? Why is it that 90% of the you call it probe, but it's searches, right?
90% are among blacks
through the chair
that would be there the pro photo. So it's the demographics of those input photos. I think it's reasonably in line with the demographics of suspect offenders in our system,
line with what, in just another way to say that is with the city of Detroit, our population is majority African American city, and so the victims of crime are typically African Americans in our city. And so in, you know, in close proximity, the way crime really works. People in neighborhoods victimize each other, and so is reasonably in line to that with these crimes, that it would be African Americans that have been identified by other African Americans, or in some cases, it may not be an African American that's identified, and that may that that really goes to the fact of that one or an individual that's outside of the race, but it's majority African American city, and That's the reason that you see more African American searches or pros? I would really be concerned if we had a city that was 85% other than African American, and we still saw a 50% plus or a higher ratio of African Americans being entered, so it's reasonably what I would expect.
Well, thank you. I'm just glad the numbers are going down. Thank you. Yep,
and I wanted to add, sorry, Commissioner, yes, we have one of the most restrictive facial recognition policies, and you see that we're being good stewards of not using it, but it's a flip side where the citizens of Detroit who have been victims of crime are asking our detectives all the time just put the facial recognition in and we're saying, No, we only do it for the most serious of crimes, but individuals who've had their houses broken into and the suspect picture is on their ring doorbell camera. They're giving it to our detectives demanding for us to use facial recognition. We're not doing it, and oftentimes they know what the person looks like. May not know who the person is, and their sense of security is not there, but we still don't cave to that pressure. But I just want to let the board know in the community know that you have a lot of citizens that want the department to utilize facial recognition a lot more to solve their crimes, and I'm talking about property crimes, but that's totally against our policy. But I just wanted to add a little bit more context into that to let you know in our detective space as well, when so you can even help individuals who are may come to you sometimes to say they wouldn't use facial recognition.
Thank you, Commissioner
Bernard and Commissioner Hernandez just
quickly it has been nationally recognized, as you know chief that facial recognition technology is inherently racist based on the algorithms that are programmed into the technology, and that has, that has not been corrected, and I want to applaud you for not using it more, because everybody from Harvard University to Stanford University, every university has determined that they can't seem to weed out the racism that's in the algorithm. And I don't even know what an algorithm is, so I'm not the one to discuss it, but but on the what I'd like for you to provide us at a later date, perhaps within the next two weeks, is how much litigation the department has had, or the city has had, related to facial recognition, How many filings, how many cases, and what those cases cost us, the legal fees, because we always use outside counsel on them. And the settlements for those persons, I know that they've been both men and women involved, so that might be helpful to just the gender of the plaintiff. So when, if you can, within maybe 14 days, you can let us know.
Yes, Commissioner, thank you.
Commissioner Hernandez through
the Chair, if we could bring the, I think it was the last slide, facial recognition back on screen. The first two questions that I had, that I wrote down, were already asked by commissioners de Walsh and Bernard, the third question that I have was around the photo pro demographics, if you could just unpack for us, some of the rationale is, I know that black, other and white are listed in that demographic section. What's the rationale behind just those three being used. I feel like there are missing layers that were not unpacking. And I understand that these are leads, but is the rationale used to be in alignment with how the census identifies race, first ethnicity versus otherwise, or just unpack that a lot more for me, because I might have follow up questions
through the chair before I answer. Thank you to the chief for more elegantly addressing the demographic patterns than I did and to answer your question. Commissioner. So this is specifically is the demographics of the pro photo as recorded by people just looking at the photo. It's not the demographics that are logged in any system, and so we don't necessarily know ethnicity or anything like that. This isn't you know. So what we come out with is the the mug shot, and all of the, you know, name and information that comes with the arrest record. And so we would then have more substantial on the output side. This was set up this way specifically to address kind of what was going into it. Because especially if we if we don't have a potential lead, then we would not have demographic information to report on on the front end. So this just gives us a more holistic and it was just, I think it would end up being very difficult for us to ascribe an ethnicity specifically to an individual based on, you know, a photo from a gas station or something like that.
Thank you. I'm just curious because whenever I fill out the census, I'm essentially forced into a box to select white, and when you unpack further, fortunately, now there's an additional ethnicity question where I can check off Hispanic or Latino, and I know that there's an upcoming shift with the census, or at least there's, there was a scheduled upcoming Shift to add in the Middle Eastern community and other demographics as well. I just feel that, if it would seem to me naturally that if this is an investigative lead, there might be benefit, potentially, but I can see how some of the hindrance might come to play with how the technology and the policy align. I just, I just think it's worth noting, especially for the public, because those are intricacies that sometimes get lost, and then we jump to conclusions, and again, there's a whirlwind that we don't definitely want to go, go down. So, okay, I'm good
Commissioner more than Commissioner Bernard, thank you, Mr. Chair. So and then we're going to get the LPR next, right? Yeah.
So, very briefly, how much do we spend on facial recognition
through the chair? We don't spend we spend very little. We don't spend anything directly on facial recognition. We access it through Michigan State Police, their network. So we pay very little. We pay a little bit for access to mycegen, but we're paying that access for a variety of other law enforcement
tools as well. I guess I don't understand.
Yeah, I guess, let me try to break it down just another way. So the Michigan State Police buys facial recognition services for law enforcement entities across Michigan. And so rather than us waste taxpayers dollars per se, we're able to utilize that system. And
so let me ask the question a different way, how much is budgeted for facial recognition in the city budget
through the chair, nothing is budgeted for facial recognition. Specifically we are budgeted for we pay for tokens which allow us to access my season with the Michigan Criminal Justice Information Network, and that provides access to a variety of law enforcement tools. One of those is how and then the state grants us specific, a small number of licenses for our trained examiners to run facial recognition through their application
through the chair. If I could, we will get you the exact amount so that you will have $1 amount, so we can provide you for 2023 2024 based off the token system that he said, or usage as to how much it costs. But is, yeah, and we'll get that for you, but it's, but it's very minuscule,
okay? And my final question is, I understand that there was a federal judge involved in facial recognition that's analyzing cases back to 2017 Is that true?
Through the Chair? I am not aware of that there federal judge scrutinizing I believe there was an audit conducted as part of the Mr. Williams settlement, and that might be what you're referring
to, right? So isn't there a federal judge that oversees that process
to the chair? Yes, I don't know if they're scrutinizing it or if, worse, just providing that to the ACLU.
I apologize that I don't have the exact clarify
for the record grant, huh? In regards to your question, sir, the federal judge is not involved. The federal judge was only involved in regards to the settlement of the case. The settlement included the facial recognition policy that we've been discussing in this meeting.
So what's going back? I thought it was a analytical look at all the cases going back to 2017, is that
true? Yeah, that that was part of the order, okay? And we conducted it, and that information was given
to the ACLU. So what about the board? Are we going to see that
that's fine. We can do that. Thank you. And then once he
walked up, he was going to clarify
through the chair, Commissioner. And then, Commissioner, do
you mind if I ask before? Sorry, I just don't want to lose the point. Along with that report, the cost report, facial recognition, can we get a summary of what that agreement looks like, and then the simple question on it is, what does DPD provide in return? Are we just getting these we're paying for these tokens, and we have access to capabilities of the tool. But what are we providing in return? If anything,
through the chair, could you provide a little more clarification on what you mean by providing a return.
So let me ask this question. Is there an agreement between Michigan State Police and Detroit Police for DPD to be able to access that system? The answer is yes. I just want a summary of that agreement, because if there's anything that DPD is providing in return for access to that service. I think we should all know about it, and the public should as
well. Through the Chair, we can provide a copy of that and a quick summary. DPD has agreed to provide quick notifications when parties internally responsible for overseeing facial recognition usage chain. You know, people move around. We've agreed to quickly update them on who's responsible for it. We've agreed to make sure that we, on a regular schedule, provide them with the list of our authorized examiners, and these are the only people that are allowed to run facial recognition requests or submit them to MSP. On the department's behalf, we have agreed to participate in some scientific working groups as a department to specifically to help drive, you know, basically,
do knowledge exchanges with other
public sector and policy think tank experts about best practices surrounding these technologies, and we've just agreed to notify them of any potential incidents very quickly so that they're aware.
Okay, yeah, we can include that. I appreciate your knowledge base as well,
absolutely, just very quickly. Chief is that why the driver's license photos have gotten so much sharper now, don't you use driver's license photos and facial recognition as well
through the chair only. MSP is allowed to run facial recognition searches against driver's license photos. DPD has access to run facial recognition against statewide mug shots, so arrest photos, if we decide to escalate a case and submit the request, if we don't get a lead and we decide that it's worthwhile to escalate that to MSP and have them run the number half. They can run it against the driver's license photos, but we are not able
to. Thank you. Okay, thank you, license plate reader.
Did you finish your review with that? Are you about to go there? You know,
through the chair? I think, yeah, I think I don't think I made it very far on on this slide. So a license plate reader is a specific type of camera that is designed to capture high resolution images. Here we deployed to capture the rear end of cars, to capture license plates, and then there's some specialized software that goes along with that to convert that image into text and then compare the text to national criminal databases. And that can be done for real time alerts or investigative follow ups. So these are the two basic uses we have real time alerts for wanted vehicles. So this is what a lot of people think of when they think of license plate readers. License plate photo is snapped. The software compares that text to NCIC, which is a national criminal database for one that includes wanted vehicles. If plates match, we are in it within our LPRs, we get an alert in the real time crime center here at dpsh, we then again, right? This is technology. So this is we have to surround it with a human centric process. We don't just immediately act on that. We have to do some research on that. There's a couple of reasons for that. So one, the plate number may match, but they could be different states, right? We could get a it could be a Michigan plate, and we could match a plate from, say, Georgia. And then again, there's also a delay in how long it takes information to be uploaded into the state and then the national database. So there can be a 12 hour delay. And so we are confirming that that plate hasn't been recovered and pulled out of the system. We can search that in real time, but it can take a little bit of time for that to update on that. So we're just confirming everything before we notify officers in the vicinity that there's a wanted vehicle, right? It can be wanted for being stolen or through connection to a violent felony, and then there's investigative follow up, right? So we have our license plate readers throughout the city, and we can search that, we store that for that information for up to 90 days. So if we identify a vehicle. If we get a plate that somebody had from a witness and that vehicle is suspected in the commission of a crime, we can search that information, and we can try and find where that vehicle has gone. Or we can, in some cases, it's valuable for homicide to identify normal, recent patterns of activity for that vehicle, and so that's that's available as well, and with newer LPR technology, it goes a little bit beyond license plates. It'll search based on the color of the vehicle, the make and model of the vehicle, and increasingly, tools are including the ability to find damage or different colored stickers on a car as well. Next slide please. A little bit on our policy here. So the bulk of our license plate reader policy is in policy 101, dot 12. It's our data sharing, retention, dissemination policy, and that really outlines uses for it. We have a little bit in a couple other policies, including record retention the real time crime center, and I've included use of traffic lights mounted camera, because it's a very similar type of technology and placement. And so I think there's a little relevance and usage there. But basically, LPRs can only be used for purposes such as crime analysis to alert us that the presence of a wanted vehicle is in a specific area, or to identify movements of a vehicle is relevant to a criminal investigation after the fact. And then, as I said on the last slide, members are required to confirm the information before intervening in any way. And then specifically, we do not allow our members to create their own watch list. Right anytime somebody wants to find out information about the vehicle, they have to conduct a search. And so that helps us with auditing and things like that. They can't just add it to a list and get automated alerts only. Alerts can be issued for vehicles that are on the national wanted database, and we do have a temporary hot list that is centralized so that in those delays, like if we're looking for a vehicle, we don't want to wait 12 hours for it to make its way into the national database, we can put it into our own temporary hit list, and then that is purged after 24 hours, so we cannot get alerts on a vehicle if we cannot justify putting it into the national database. Next slide, please. Thank you. And so we have a pretty wide variety of license plate readers now. We have our city street intersections, right? That's the traditional one we started. We have a variety of vendors now too. So you can see we have 328 devices on city street intersections. There's still some more pending in the installation process, so that number will be increasing over the coming weeks and months. We also, through our analysis, had identified increasing concerns of gun violence on freeways and work with the state of Michigan to help fund a freeway camera overview project and put license plate readers on on ramps and off ramps. And I think that'll be a valuable tool. There's certainly some instances where we get we in the past, we have gotten a basic description of a vehicle, the person's flood on the freeway, and it becomes very hard to figure out where that vehicle went and identify it. In some cases, right? We've had some more luck if they are driving around city streets and we get some information on them there, but too often, that's been a blind spot for us. So we're looking forward to the ability to, once we've identified a vehicle connected to a crime, figure out where it went, and try and find it that way. So these are devices, you know, a big intersection, you know, to capture all four directions. May have as much as, you know, two or three devices in each direction. So you can see one intersection may take eight or 12 devices. And then we also have 55 police cars that have mobile LPRs mounted on them, so as they drive around, they can capture that data, and they can get alerts in real time to those officers as well.
Next slide questions, yes,
thank you, Mister Chair, just just some clarifying questions on the second page where you indicate the it's actually the last bullet point that says, determine if other vehicles are con, con, going with the wanted vehicle. What does that mean? What is convoy mean? Meeting up with or
so through the chair. That's been a valuable tool and some great, you know, kind of solving some major crime patterns in the past. I can think of one specifically, I think, is a good example for this. There was a smash and grab patterns. The offenders would steal a large SUV or pickup truck and use that to ram into any security or barriers at different types of businesses. They were pharmacies, dispensaries, liquor stores, after hours, they break in. They'd steal products. They'd steal money. And what we found is, even though we were seeing images of the cars involved, there were three or four cars at each of these scenes. They were staying for those other cars were staying far enough away that we weren't able to capture a license plate off and so, but we recover a stolen vehicle that had been used and we had a license plate. So if we can find an LPR hit on that vehicle during a time when they're out committing crimes, we can then take a look at the other vehicles that went past that LPR within a minute or two, and we were able to find, you know, a vehicle that matched the description of the vehicle that we saw at the scene, right? And so we knew they were convoying. We did a little more research into the person, and, you know, a little more investigative follow up. But that's a very valuable tool for identifying companion vehicles involved in
Okay, thank you. And then, just real quick, on the next page, you indicate in the last bullet point members may not create watch lists. What does that mean?
So through the chair. So watch list is a function that some LPR technology includes, in kind of the user ability we disable it, except for one centralized purpose, and this is an event. It makes it it's designed to make the life of investigators easier, right? They can, if they have a number of vehicles they want to keep tabs on as part of an ongoing investigation, they can type that in, they can set it, forget it, and they'll just get emails anytime that vehicle shows up. So if they want to, you know, go for whatever reason. They want to track it, and they want to, they want to see what's going on. We don't allow that through our own internal policy, and the reason is, not having to conduct a search every time would potentially help people hide searches right? So we don't want, we want every time somebody wants to know where vehicle is, we want them to have to enter that vehicle as a search and so that when we go through right, if we if we detect a problem with something right, it gives us a better tool and an easier way of finding potential malfeasance.
Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Commissioner Hernandez, the Commissioner more,
thank you through the chair. Three very quick ones, I think it may have been called trailers. There were mobile units, and others are those trailers, like the ones that are downtown, Grand Circus, yeah, portable trailers, or sometimes in parking lots
through the chair. So you may be thinking of the ones that have those long, tall cameras. So those are not specifically what I'm talking about here. A lot of those. Now we, we did. The NFL had used some of those through the draft, and there were a few picking around in parks. A lot of those now are going to be privately owned that they're a quick way of deploying a very visible deterrence method, and so we definitely encourage some problematic businesses to invest in that we are we, I shouldn't speak. I'm not sure where we are in the procurement process. It's definitely a technology we're interested in. What I'm referring to specifically is a trailer that we took some spare some of the LPRs, the same kind that are in the car, we mounted them on something that we can tow, and so we have a few quick deployment solutions if there is a major event that we need additional coverage or We can respond quickly to an emerging trend. Okay,
you've mentioned, and some of us have probably witnessed in the media, the role that LPRs have played. And I should probably say the key role that LPRs have played in certain cases, is there a particular case or moment that stands out to you? I mean, this is your day job. This is what you're dedicating your profession to. Is there a case that stands out that you might be proud of that led to the solving of a case or the solving of an issue or an item
through the chair? There are quite a few. I don't, and I apologize I should. I don't remember the young woman's name? It was the nurse. I believe we presented this to specific commissioners when we were gearing up for this expansion. The nursing was killed around Christmas in the armed robbery. LPRs were integral into solving that case. That's how we were able to figure out who had dropped the individual off and before the robbery and the taking of the victim's car. And I think that one would have haunted a lot of people if we had not been able to close that.
Thank you for that. And the very last one is, is there some kind of like Wish List capability that you might want to put out there that might facilitate additional cases being solved, whether it be LPRs or otherwise in the form of technology.
You know, I'm, I'm sure, right, we could very quickly come up with a list of technology that we have. I think, you know, we've done, we've been very intentional, right, about what we do. And you know, part of that is, while we want to deploy the technology that we can we can deploy, we also don't want to deploy it too fast, right? We don't want to get overwhelmed, right? We're very intentional about our gunshot detection expansions. We're not in a rush to expand that again, because we'd want to make sure that we don't overwhelm our resources. And I think the same is true for license plate readers and anything else. I do think, you know, we've been talking about a few things, and you know, I don't know where they are in the stages of various things, but yeah, I think hopefully there'll be some more requests coming soon. Great. Thank you.
In through the Chair, just to answer your question, as far as you know, keeping our department moving forward and not getting left behind. But definitely want to work with the board so that we can look at drone technology as well. And so, you know, I know that that could be a concern for the community, but at the same time, it depends on how you utilize it. So many major departments across the country now are utilizing drones to respond to 911 calls to get there a lot quicker, to be able to show exactly what is going on, whether or not they even need to be able to send the police in the first place. And so the drones, from what I'm seeing and hearing from my counterparts, they only respond to when a citizen calls 911, into that location. So we're not just sending them to look it's based off of a call for service, and it can get there within seconds. And so, but you definitely want to do our research, and I definitely don't want our department to get left behind. And you all say, well, everybody else got them chief medicine, why haven't you brought this forward? So I'm just kind of putting that on the radar, and so that collectively, together, Detroit doesn't get left behind, and we can deliver the best technological solutions for our City
Commission. Can I close with this? No, yes, I just any, any technology can be used for good or for bad. Everyone knows that any tool, just in general and artificial intelligence is obviously here. You have major corporations that are already leveraging it for the benefit of efficiency. Again, there are detractors out there who might use it otherwise in harmful ways, and I would hate to just have any law enforcement agency, especially in Michigan, not be positioned accordingly to defend against the usage of those technologies that are incoming. So that's really the point of my comments. Thank you,
Commissioner. More. Thank you
Commissioner, thank you, Mr. Chair who has access to LPR? I mean, can anybody in the police department access it
through the chair? No, not everybody in the police department can access it. We allow the base level of access to individuals working in an investigative or special ops role
or precinct detective does have access to it
to the chair? Yes, that's correct. Okay, thank you.
Thank you. Good. Just quickly, if there was, let's say there was a murder on Lawton street a week ago, you it's your house. You call come home when you decide, see that there's been a murder, somebody's been murdered. Can you use license plate readers and stuff like that, to go back a week, or even it could be 30 days. You could be your could be your summer home, whatever. Then you go backwards and see what vehicles are in the area through the chair, the murder or the assault or whatever,
through the Chair. Yes, we save license plate reads for up to 90 days, so they are searchable for that amount of time.
So for 90 days, you can access who was in the neighborhood, who was driving by through the chair, yes, okay, and then after that, no, no more correct.
Okay, all right, Madam Secretary.
Thank you so much. Thank you.
Today.
I think you've already noticed that you had you do have the reports facial recognition and shot spotted the weekly reports are there one piece of incoming correspondence and the announcements for meetings upcoming next Thursday, May 1, 3pm here at public safety headquarters is our board meeting. The next community meeting of the board is Thursday, May 8, 6:30pm it will be in the eighth preset Crowell Recreation Center, which is located at 16630, Lasha Road in Detroit. The upcoming committee meetings are as follows, on Monday, April 28 5pm personnel and training here at public safety headquarters. On Tuesday, at 5pm april 29 it will be the policy committee also here at public safety headquarters and those complete the report today, sir,
okay. Thank you very kindly. No unfinished business. Chair, yes,
if I just could under, I think it might be appropriate under announcements. But for anyone who comes across the media. Some of us may have noticed that we lost a very important and respected and prominent spiritual leader in Pope, Francis, correct? And I would just ask that we and an important spiritual leader, I would say, across face and across politics even I would just ask if we could, before we close out, have a moment of
silence. Oh, absolutely, unequivocally.
In fact, I've have some real good friends who have worked in the Vatican, and I have a rosary from the pope that was given to me, and so I was and I cherish that with his words were, uh, pray for me, and so we can do that moment of silence right now. Thank you.
Thank you very kindly.
Uh, any uh, new business, there have been no new business with the pleasure of the board. Move to adjourn or motion to adjourn by commission Bernard. Second by I have a
new business when I say something before you close out.
Okay, all right, let me give me you about to say it in two seconds? And second by Commissioner Moore. Any discussion, go ahead.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman, yes, sir, I just want to thank our staff, madam secretary for and her staff for preparing today's meeting is these binders and this reading material as we could be able to follow along. Also want to thank the department for,
for making these,
for bringing forth these, these promotions, because very you know it's it's good that we're knowledge and where we need to have leadership within the department, and as we bring it on new offices, we need to have more supervisors out there in the field as well. So today is a good day, promotions that the board approved, but also it's great that the chief made these recommendations. It just shows that we got a great chief in place at this time. I mean, he's the quarterback of this department, and so it's great that he has the full support of this board as he makes his transition bars, looking at the the ranks of officers, detectives, sergeants, lieutenants and captains and so forth, and put them in a place that they they need to be serving and protecting the great citizens of Detroit. And so thank you, chief for bringing this to the board, and thank you for being that quarterback, that leader of this department. We could talk about, you know, great chiefs, but you're going to be the chief that that name is going to continue to ring for many, many years.
Thank you. Commission, absolutely and Madam Secretary, make sure that we for the other ones that we need to move on to send those out to the board members so that we can have that on agenda for next week. Okay? Thank you very kindly. All in favor say aye. Aye. Anyone opposed the motion's carried this meeting.
