acquiesce to a, a to modality, epistemology secular and sacred and you would know this because there Church has kind of as a perilous pendulum swung both ways, many, many times. But for me, it was always constantly watching how the secular world would take on a pseudo religious posture at the expense of biblical truth, and Christians would slip into it. And we would have to battle against that. That is what shaped our church, you guys, meaning the church that I pastor is not an African American church at all. If you were to go online and look at our members in any of the larger panning of screen and see our audience, we are a people of different ethnic groups in our church, very healthy diversity of black, white, Latina, Asian, Filipino, et cetera, et cetera, okay, I had, I often have the opportunity in that comfort zone, to call out our different ethnic groups and talk about the strengths of the Koreans and the strengths of the Asians and the strengths of the Latinos and the strength of our Filipino brother. And now that's not by accident, that's on purpose. Because it's easy for any pastor to cater to a monolithic ethnic group, particularly the one from which he comes, and to just settle into that community alone. And, and therefore live in that false bifurcation of secular sacred. We're black Christians. And we work hard. We're blue collar workers, and we work six days a week we we make our money, we pay our bills, we enjoy our life over here in the social political world, and then we do church on Sunday. Well, that is the fallacy of the dichotomy that was created by the anti bibble assist in America, John Dewey, John Locke, and many others as they tried to make a distinction between what what secularism is and can do over against Christianity, in inferring that Christianity is really nothing but a mythos, having no real basis, in reality, scientifically or whatsoever. And so the Christian does not know when they are operating out of a two tiered system, that really, they are affirming one and denying the other. And over time, that will actually erode the capacity of the Christian to have confidence in a biblical worldview, or a biblical expression and testimony of any particular issue in life. And the next thing you know, we are actually even using the language of the secular world, to the exclusion of the biblical language in disciplines like science and, and geometry and engineering, and all kinds of disciplines. The next thing you know, the Bible doesn't have a platform in any of these categories. And now you're saying then what is the Bible for just Sunday, when you go to church when you praise God, but the moment you leave out the door, we are capitulating to Newton's law, and and mythical concepts like Mother Earth and, and evolution, we've been pushed back as the church in the world, by all of these secular disciplines so far that we're basically on a reservation and don't have any substantial presence or impact or influence on these disciplines, because they're now entrenched so powerfully in our culture, that they have the audacity to define us again, in contradistinction to the Bible telling us who we are, where our origin is from, and how we get to the God that made us we have huge issues in front of us along those lines. And so I say that the African American community has fallen prey enormously to what we would call being in the world and of the world, instead of in the world, not of the world, but in the world, for the world, for God's glory. And that that that that that divide, is so massive in the African American community the day that when you meet a person like myself and a few other African Americans in our in our bay area, we are extremely rare individuals who don't have a lot of support by the vast majority of the African American churches in our community. I am not well received by most African American pastors or African American churches here in the Bay Area for the very things I'm sharing with you and I know this will be true For many other men, vodi Baucom, and other African American men who I know have fought these battles vigorously to extricate ourselves from the hyphen of being a black Christian or a black church, there's a problem when you make that hyphen, more prominent than the central identity that we have in the person of God, and in the person of Christ, and to fight to maintain the supremacy of all ethnic groups being one in Christ is to fight against your own culture, is the fight against your own society is to fight against the trend of this Neo Marxist agenda, where it only survives by keeping us divided. You guys know that? Yeah.